Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Big Picture Flames Talk (Andersson Trade, Wolf's Ceiling & More)

Episode Date: February 11, 2025

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He's been slid down to the seventh defense in that Shreidin today. Really? Because Gustav Forrestling was ill yesterday, but returned his practice today. Panthers defensemen for that. Rasmus. Seventh D. Healthy. Could be.

Really. You'll find out tomorrow. See, this is good tonic for flames fans and for all of us. Don't overvalue what. Oh, we're going to get this. We're all guilty of it. It's also, don't say that always, got all the castaways in the world give this guy nine sheets a year for the next nine years

eight whatever it is trade his ass out of here conro damn jack where's my cell board yeah where's your say what's not playing on jack come on jack what's happening nine come on all's on my fault he's the seventh defense but not the ninth oh nine million you said nine years can't do nine years can't i mean he's got one you left got one your left so he's give him the eight. Oh, nine. What?

Geez. See, being here, I'm all kind of, that's mad. You're cursing again. Hmm. Is that the house? Are we shocked by this?

They've got a good blue line. Let's hear it. Well, I mean, we can't get the line out. We have the line. I've settled down. Jeez.

They release them. Not in once an hour. Not in the year of the snake. One team had practiced. Can't do it. Can't do it. Actually shown their lines. And I had the,

audacity to put it on the show yesterday before the other three teams of practiced. Exactly. The blue line, like there's Ekholm, there's Foresling, there's Eric Carlson. But there's a hippo almost getting out of its enclosure. Looks like he's real good. Headman, Brodine, Dahlene,

well, and that's until today's skate. What? Rasmus was skating with Dahlene, Foresling has come into that spot. Eckholm and Carlson are 5'6, and they have the other Carlson skating with Rasmus as a fourth pair. What's happening?

I would go home to or to Mexico. Turkey. I thought John Carlson was American. Yeah, a different one there. Eric. Carlson didn't make the American team. So now it is kind of we're having fun with it. No, that's a really good group.

But to be, like, if he is, it's a very good D group, but if he is truly seventh in the eyes of the coaching staff, do we overvalue? No, what he is. No, I think there's, if you took any of those guys, I don't want to Eric Carlson, but the rest of them, I'd take. Yeah, Carlson's going to suit a role there that Rasmus doesn't play.

He's P.P.1. Just like Jonas Brodine is going to be your shutdown stay-at-home defender, which Rasmus is not. I'd have Rasmus over him as well. It's just that, you know, you're building different pieces of the puzzle here. Like Dahlene, great player. At home, maybe the best trade Ken Holland made in five years. Headman, superstar.

Rodin, great defender, Carlson, great powerplay defensemen. Foresling's been excellent in Florida. I don't see it as some huge indictment. Okay. I'm just asking. If you can't make Team Finland, now we're fucked. I'm just asking. Was that your question?

No, that was not the question, but just. Sponsaneh question. We're getting over questioned here. With all of the trades that have happened with involving the flames, we've been over our skis on pretty much all of them. Not true. The Lindholm deal, they got way more than we over. I'm talking about what.

We were expecting or thought was going to happen. They got more than I thought. Only you fight, yes, only you fight that battle about the Lindholm. You really do. Well, because they did really well in that. I didn't like the Tannab deal at all. The Hannafin one will see where the pick ends up. I thought they did well in the Tafoli deal when we look back at it.

No, but you're forgetting what you are going to, you said we were going to get in return for these guys. We thought it was going to be a first for Tafoli. We thought it was going to be a first for Tany. King's ransom. But when you take you your sharing. That doesn't mean it's not a first. That's all I'm saying is what we thought going in. And then when the trade happened, we were like, oh, that's not.

And so what I thought they would get for Lindholm was a first, a prospect. You don't need to be. Just, I'm not saying we were right or wrong. I'm just saying that we have done that in doing this show. We've kind of, oh, geez, that's kind of, it's made a little underwhelming. Zadarov was late, Tana was late. Hanifan will see, I think they did well on Tafoli and Lindholm. That's my opinion on them.

Yeah. So one out of a mixed bag. Again. You didn't think they did well with the Tofoli deal until Sharon Govich came in. No, I remember being on a rooftop in Nashville and saying, like, until we know what you go, Sharon Govich is going to be really hard to measure this thing. He knew is what he's telling. I did not know.

That's exactly what I said is like we, how we get to grade this thing? We don't know what the serious. So your approach was I'm not going to give an opinion. No, no, we'd weigh it in, but it's like, really, you know, if you or Sharon Govich is not in the league, that's a disastrous loss. If he's a top six forward, that's a huge win, and he might or might not be that. But you know what I'm saying. I think you're bullshitting yourself as to what you thought you're getting in return.

I understand what you're saying. I still think you thought as good as Sharon Govich has been for them, you still thought going into those trades you were going to get butt loads more. I thought they were going to get a first. No, I don't know that. And that's all I'm saying. Yeah. And I don't know that a late first is any better or worse than Sharon Govich at this point.

Because keep in mind, that's not what I did the trade work out is not the point I may. I'm just saying when we are getting ready for trades, well, here's what we think, but what's it going to be? It's going to be first and this, ooh, to the point being, are we over, are we overvaluing Rasmus Anderson's value?

Here's the counterpoint. There's no counterpoint. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Right. Okay, so context. What did you think the penguins are get for Marcus Pedersen? Because I think that matters.

I didn't even know he was on like zero. And so if you see him with the point is, again, Ryan, the point is, We're in Calgary talking about Flames players. It would be like asking Pittsburgh reporters what they thought they were going to get for Pedersen and Pittsburgh. Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is that each year the market's a little different. There's not a lot of sellers this year. I think it's a good time to sell.

The cap number is a big part of the Rasmus thing too. Cap helps. And the cap going up also helps because it, you know, it allows teams to say, geez, we can extend this guy, no sweat. But yeah, like every year's a little different. We see first flying around some years, other years, no. Nobody gets rid of them. Draft classes are stronger and weaker. Some years there's more sellers, more buyers.

Like it's just, yeah, it's a market that changes. If you had to guess today, what is the outcome with Anderson? Traded, re-signed, walk is a U.S. I think that the flames are going to get shit pumped over the next two weeks when they come back. And I think they're going to start to look at moving guys. My fear is that they do extend them. Not because he's not a good player, but because I don't think he lines up really well for when I think this team will be competitive.

But what do you think they will understand? That's my fear is that they'll do that. I think they will. I hope that a losing skid like the one Rhett's talking about what happens because you might start to look out and pull the zoom out a bit more and say, do we really want years 30 to 37 of a guy? Or a nice pile of young assets. Now again, we don't know what the deals are, but we can only speculate that if

Pedersen was worth what he was worth, Anderson would be worth a lot more given the lower salary, the extra year of term, the fact that he's a better player. What did they get for him? Like a first. A first rounder in first. And then, you know, I don't know how you view Benny Deharnay. They took him off. Is that a cat?

Is that a salary dump? Is it kind of like the Kuzmanko part of the Lindholm deal? Who's benefiting who here by taking it? And when he scores 40, you're like, oh, yeah, that was a cash down for the Canucks. He's a fringy guy. What number do you want to matter? If you're, if you, okay, I don't want to trade you or I don't want to overpay you. So if I have to overpay you, I'm going to trade you.

So the cap will be $105 million that year. First year of his new deal. That's not, okay. And so that just matters for context because if you're talking in today's salaries, it's going to be like you almost have to 20%, 50%. I know, but what are you, what's he capable at? Well, yeah, if he was a free agent this summer, and teams were lining.

Like last summer, because that's the price. What is he capable if you're Craig Conroy? I think if you can get him under nine, that's probably something Craig would be happy with. Okay, so eight and a half. Yeah, I think you take that. If you're trying to sign them,

that's the number that you can live with. Because the other part of it is too, do you, even if you're still on the fence, can you try and sign them? It doesn't mean you, I mean, it's Craig, no trade clause, but they get the full no moves. And this is no, so which no trade clauses? Well, I'm just.

It's not as though while we've signed them now, we've got them for the full duration of this. No trade clause affects going to Calgary, not leaving Calgary. And I think that's even changing. Here's the thing. The player's going to have all the leverage here. They got tons of caps space.

They publicly talked about wanting to re-sign him and not trade them. He likes it here. And, you know, they've been much more competitive. Why is it that important, though? All that's important. But you're ready to cut bait. No, I'm, I think it's age. It's age.

That's fine. That's the question I'm asking. I don't actually agree with you because it's. It doesn't mean he won't be really good for the next three, four years, but I'm worried about what's a fourth or what's a sixth defenseman? I know I'm interrupting. But what's a sixth defenseman right now worth?

Like, and don't say the flame six defensemen. Like sixes don't get paid really. Yeah, I would like on a good core. Two. So that'll go up. Yeah, but if it's up 15% It's like it's two and a half, two and a quarter

Like it's still cheapest cheap cheap cheap cheap What you don't want is Rasmus Anderson being your fourth or fifth best defenseman And get and then these guys come up for contracts like Perrick or let's say a muse That's the problem I have with your right I hope you're right I hope those guys are so good they're pushing everyone out I don't think re-signing Rasmus Anderson has any effect on me correct making the team or not. Not making the team.

It's more of the fact that you, you know, you're like, shoot that you're in a bind. You have to pay some guys coming out of entry level. Who are your defenseman that you're paying? You have,

like, the parent could theoretically be on a second contract in four years. Okay. And so that's right when Rasmus, it's going to be like, okay, you're 33 now. We're starting to see this a little bit less every year as,

or, you know, it's not necessarily perfect, straight line, but you don't expect the 34 year old to look as good as he did at 27. Is that fair? it's very rare like gee we saw with geo it'd be hard to come up with more examples than you'd ever played on one game so he wasn't really and i'll say this we talk a bit about guys

you know how many kilometers are on the chassis he's going Rasmus doesn't strike me as a guy who's going to age particularly well i agree bo meister yeah i could effortless skaters will age better right yeah i i agree i just think if this team was a little further along in their competitiveness and not where they are in the standings, but just in terms of where the core is, I think it makes a lot of sense. But I'm expecting Backlin to be a little bit less effective next year.

Coleman, a little bit less effective. Weger a little bit less effective. Anderson a little bit less. Like just when guys get past 30, I'm not saying they're going to fall off cliff and be unhelpful. But like, I don't think Blake Coleman's going to score 30 in this league. J.T. Miller.

J.T. Miller's 32. And they couldn't get a lot for him because of the contract. That was the fear. Why did they have to, no, no, no, no. That was why they didn't get a lot. I mean, he controlled it with the no move, but the fear was, there's five years left. There wasn't, they wouldn't move off him because he was a star at 32 in Vancouver. The reason they traded him was because of the shitstorm that was going on in the room.

No, no, no, no. You're misdetermined what I'm saying. I'm saying the reason they didn't get a haul for him was the contract he had left. But they would not have, they wouldn't have been looking to trade him. They wouldn't have looked to trade. No, no, no, no. They had to trade him. We get that.

My point is, if you looked at how good he was last year, would have thought you got a king's rancet for him no red's point is that he's 32 and based on just the player you wouldn't have been looking to trade him because you're very happy with what you have even though he's 30 i agree but when they were forced to trade him and there's five years left that gets scary for gms i don't think you can look at that deal you told me as being here's what you get for a 32 year old player i'm not saying there was unrest in the room and a no trade clause it was a distressed asset to a degree but what i'm saying is that a big part of the lack of the return like you expected more was that there's five years left.

What's J.T. Miller, a power forward going to look like at 36 and 37. That's what scares teams. Running your mouth right now. You said it about it. I do think it's part of it. Well, it's a huge piece of it. But again, you disagree. But again, when like, think of guys that you played with.

You say, look, guys don't train like me. Yeah. And my body broke down. But how many guys that you played with were effective at 36? Lots. when I played? I bet you less than half. So like what was Reggie at 36?

I don't know. I'm literally asking. He might have been fine. He might have been retired, but then I have no idea. I don't even know if he was playing. So this is kind of my point is that even guys that are great when they're 32, you know at some point,

it's not like some guy just played until he was 60. They all get beaten by father time and most of it happens in your mid-30s for most these guys. The average player will become ineffective in their mid-30s. That's what you want to avoid is paying that player huge money. And I'm not saying it is going to happen at J-T Miller, right? going to happen to Rasmus Sanderson. What I'm saying is that risk is part of why

these contracts signings are difficult. So Chris Tanev's contract is horseship. Chris Tanev is a one-off because they're going to put them on Robida Island. So why can't you put Rasmus Anderson on Roba? I don't think your owner has the appetite to go over the cap when it's 110 million, 14 million.

I mean, look, you could. It's just that's the time in this team's life cycle where they're going to want to go shopping and free agents. know nothing about that. Five years, you're telling me you know what the team's going to be in five years. No, no, but they, you're hoping that this is the time when a lot of these prospects are arriving. And they're not all going to.

I get it. St. Perrick may or may not be a superstar. He may be an average player. He may not play in a league. He might be a Norris winner. We don't know. I get it. But there's a pile of players that are of the same age group and many of them will be NHLers.

This is the worst. You're just, We can't ignore our agent curves. And front offices don't anymore. You used to. And that's why when free agency was 31, the Leafs and Rangers were never good despite outspending everyone. Because what did they get?

They got guys in their 30s. And you would like to think that, hey, the cap's going up. So was the spending. Yeah. You're still going to find themselves just spending more and bumping up against it. And be like, geez, we should not have that on the post. It's not like the cap goes up and the salaries don't. The salaries go right with it.

And it might take some time to get there. But you're also that you're so good. And then you are. like good. Thank you. Everyone has shitty contracts on their books. So. Yeah.

They somehow survive and. Well, I mean, it's not a let's collect them all, but the teams that have fewer of them have better chances at winning cups. Like, I'd argue that if the oilers didn't have as much bad money on their books as they

had over the last five years that have Stanley Cup. Yeah, but it's easy to say that. But like, what's Colorado's bad money? You know, like what's Carolina's bad money? What's Florida's bad money?

Like, actually a lot of smart teams that don't have a huge. But you were the one that brought it up to me, the Cuberdose contracts, not the end of the world. Most teams have a bad one. But again, do you want to be in the middle of the pack of this league or is the end goal for the franchise to win a standard? I'll tell you right now they're going to be middle of the path.

I'll for this next little bit. Yeah. No, I again, I think it's a very full circle chat to the one we had like two weeks ago where it's like, what is your goal? Is it to go win a cup at all costs? or is it, you know what, let's just be competitive and everyone that gets to the dance has a chance because there is that.

It is true. It's a wild turn. Seattle beat Colorado two years ago. I continue to say that you make it sound too simplistic. That if you get bad, pick, high, stars, cups. It's just. No, the cups aren't a guarantee at all. I continue to say that.

Jesse Pull Yarvey was top five pick. Yeah. And if they took Matthew Kach there, they probably would have a couple cups. Yeah, but they didn't. But they didn't. Yeah. So Poole-Rvi is still a player at the top five.

No. And so my point is that it's, what I'm saying is it's easy to pick a chuck. You also could take Poo-Yarvey. Yeah, I know. So if the flames are bad, here you go. You got a top five pick. Better hit on it.

Pull-Yarvy. Stud. Nope. Or. Shit. Or. And so Pau-Rvy-Rvey has not derailed the oilers. Why?

I mean, it hurts for sure. Because they have the best player in the fucking world. And where did they draft him? Number one. And where do they draft the other guys? It's not the point. It's not about the oil. It's about the player.

I get your point. What's my point? Is it you need, I get lottery tickets. You need it. Yes, you need more than just. I get it. Absolutely. But.

So it's like, do you, the question really is for this organization. Do you have the stomach to have two to four really rough years? No, it's not the question. The question is, are you bad enough to have those years? For sure. I mean, you can make your. yourself bad enough, yes. Well, I think your goaltender is going to say, get me the, out of here.

Maybe. I mean, it's certainly possible. It's, uh, okay. And here's the other scenario. Do you remember who Dominic Hashik is? Yeah, very familiar. Right? Yeah.

What did they do in Buffalo with his career? Well, he held that team up to a really high standard and they weren't really spending that much and they got close and didn't win. And didn't pick high. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah.

There is a scenario that where it's like, oh, we're going to, like they were cheap as bastards in Buffalo as well. Yes. They wasted the best player in the NHL for half a decade. The best goal in the history league, I don't see this group like the Sabres because if you don't want to be the Buffalo Sabres, it's really easy. You trade Rasm Sanderson and you aren't the Sabres. If you roll out a blue line with McKenzie Weger, Kevin Ball. Where are we on Wolf? The best years of Wolf's career.

I think Wolf has a very good chance of being one of those elite top 10 guys in the league. I really believe that. But that's the point. So what does that do to your team then? Well, I mean, it means you're getting more saves than you're going to get from a regular goalie for sure. But it doesn't mean that if you delete Rasmus to Anderson, they still can't be a bottom five team. They sure they can. But they, you know?

You can't. you're taking calls on Cadry if you've gone that far down the road. But Godry's going to want. You didn't say that. Yes, you did. You have said that numerous times to me. Codry is untradable. At times he was.

I think at this point with the term left and the way he's played, you could probably get rid of him. I don't know you're getting a homeback. I'm with you, but I also see we've been having these conversations for a long time. To say he was tradable, like he had seven years left on the deal when it started. Now it's three after this. Like, okay, well,

it's the same time frame he had a contract from now till now i know so you're saying look i think at this point you could tread i don't know that you're gonna who's doing who the favor to the chat we had earlier this year with vancouver uh if but again if you keep the group around wolf that's here i agree they won't bottom out but you've got a really big decision on that group that starts with rasmus anderson this summer in okay let's do you think that okay rasmus anderson signs an eight-year Bill, Bender doesn't like it. It's too much money. I'm not going to say I don't like it.

There's a risk that comes with it, right? What I'm getting at is, will there not be a team in six years? If everything else goes as planned, and Rasmus does crash and burn a little bit, is there no way of dumping them? If it's making nine a year and you don't want them, why does someone else want that contract?

Because that's what teams do. They take on shitty contracts for return. Not very often. and you kind of have to broaden to do it. But yeah. Well, what's, fuck, Chicago ate a whole bunch of money and gave up a player for a third.

I'm not saying you can't go pay someone to eat bad money. Of course you can. What I'm saying is that's probably not an efficient way to do business. You can get out of the problem. It's not like you're, it's, well, since they signed him, everything's ruined, move the franchise. But it's going to make life harder if he doesn't age well.

For sure. I still think we're screwed because we're stuck somewhere that we don't want to be. Yeah. serious you seem to again you have this plan and you think it's called i don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it out to be and i think there's a lot of mucky middle still lurking i because of the setup you have with this squad i what i see is as really clear is that the pieces to win a stanley cup aren't here that's what's clear that's clear they're not beating and so i'm not you know as someone saying i want to pick a route to success i'm not terribly concerned

about them, you know, being so good, they're going to be a cup contender anytime soon. And I would start trying to build that core of people that can help you be that. Huska. Why am I getting hit? Husk. Look at the team like. Get these guys play them worse.

So we can. I mean, look at a team like Detroit. They've been bad for a long time now. They finished dead last, didn't win the lottery. Like there's been, right?

There's been that. And they, they're kind of a playoff team now. Great under McClellan. they were a win away from getting in last year it's kind of turned the corner but you would maybe maybe Ottawa has who's who's their star most Sada probably Moe like Lucas Raymond is a very good player most Iiders a very good they don't have anyone that allows them to beat the best teams either I agree and that was sort of some bad lottery luck there but we

but you'd have been and I'm just I say we we'd have been happy with that pursuit trade guys don't They did sign some fucking old guys. They made some bad decisions. But it hasn't been a cap thing that's kept them. They've been bad, have picked high. But I don't see them as a wait for them. They've got badard or like, I agree. I think they're going to be in trouble because they're not,

they don't have the superstars. You've looked at the situation that was the worst luck because they dropped two or three spots in the lottery multiple years. Like bad luck. But there's other teams that have finished bottom three for a long time. time. I don't know. They have a top three pick for and why is it bad luck. But anyway, throw Buffalo in there, throw Ottawa who's just now start. Well, Columbus is. I think is. Is Brady Kachukh, a generational? I love him as a centerpiece. I think he could captain a winning team. Yeah.

Is Rasmus Dahlene? I don't know enough about Rasmus. So. No, of course, no one could do it by themselves. Connor does never ring. But I don't have a problem with, you know, like, if anyone's, listening and saying Pinder thinks they can just win a cup if they just tear it down. That's absolutely not true. It's very, very hard. But if you just want to make high percentage bets, it's very, very, very low probability you'll ever have a real contender if you don't go find a mega stud. And it's hard, almost impossible to get them if you're not picking in the top five to ten.

And you can't, you can't, there's very little debate there. Right. And so the question is, okay, does Wolf take them out of drafting that guy range? No, but it certainly makes it a little harder. now we're going to have to hit at a ranting level rather than the McKinnon, McDavid first overalls, right? And this year, the pressing issue that I see that I don't think there's enough urgency on at this point, but hopefully there is some before the deadline is you're looking at a top 10 pick. And if you have it, you get to use it.

And if you don't, that pick goes to Montreal. Top 10's okay. After that, it gets really mad. Like you might get a right shot centerman who's 6-5 at 7 to 10 in the show. year's draft. But again, that could or pull your RV. Go the other way. Of course.

So if I have to pick between. I know. I want that. I want that option. I do. And this is the choice that they're making right now. You're either chasing a playoff spot and you're now three back of a team I'd argue that has a better roster and you've got a tougher schedule.

You'll have plenty of clarity before the deadline. I agree. I hope so. I agree. I don't. This road trip. Honestly, and maybe just the taste that's left on our mouth from that game the other

night. It's actually a great. If they went on a skid, it would be very helpful long term as much as they would hate it. Either way, it's great. Because you're playing the best, and these are the teams you're going to have to beat. If you do make the playoffs,

prove whether you can or not. Because there's no sense getting in. And like Darrell said, wasting two weeks of your life. Look what our boy did. Huska's nightmare? Aska. Maybe a.

It's a touch dramatic. It's a little dramatic, but I, hey. The mini gauntlet run. So there's the sharks prior to. Yep. But and you've already seen how you fared against Washington, Toronto, loss and Colorado. That's just it.

You don't need to swim. Yeah, but man, we could elevate and how would we be. You had your chance. You did, but it doesn't mean Dust and Wolf can't steal a game here or there. This is going to be so great. How many games? games are there they're going to six games there's 12 10 points go 4 1 and 1 right there boys

what are you supposed to do if they do that you have like you have to support what you what they show you yeah and again what they do there is one half of the formula the other half is what's happened to Vancouver are they on a six game heater if they drop five in a row like you the standings will tell Connie what to do on the seventh they're in by three points he'll probably go out of defenseman you need to draft a star later is what you need to do. Yeah, I mean,

never count on that. What do we talk about? Top 10, we got to have a top 10. You never know the top 10. And you know what? You hit a home run again in the third, fourth, fifth round. Like you look what they did there, right? You hit, you nailed Godreau. Yeah, you didn't have a top three.

You got Kach. You had to a lesser exam. You had Manjapan. You had some value that you got later in the draft. Yep. develop the shit out of the guys you draft. Yeah, and this is the biggest formula over anything else. It's not high picks load you up with talent.

It's great draft and develop. Look at the Washington Capitals and what they've been able to do, not picking high. It's incredible. Go and because I'm a lovely defenseman. Go draft, second, third, fourth, fifth round, some quality defensemen and get overloaded with too many guys that can play and make some trades for pieces.

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