Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Chris Tanev Traded To The Dallas Stars | Instant Reaction

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

Full TradeTo #TexasHockey: Chris Tanev (75% retained), Cole BradyTo #Flames: 2024 2nd Rd Pick, Artem Grushnikov, Conditional 2026 3rd Rd Pick, (50% of Tanev $)To #njdevils: DAL 2026 4th Rd Pick (25% of Tanev $)Condition: Only transfers if DAL goes to SC Final. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Well, how are you, buddies? How are we doing? A little barn burner breaking news update here on this Wednesday evening. We're still, what are we? How many days away from the trade deadline are we? We're going to have. Well, I think the eighth is the deadline. Tomorrow's the 29th of Feb. So I'd say there's nine days after today. That'll be part. It'll be, I guess, part of the whole story as we get into it, why this deal gets done today. But Chris Tandev on his way to Dallas. Ryan, I'll let you kind of walk through. because this, it's a little convaluted. There's some layers to it for sure. Yeah. So the Calgary Flames have eaten half the salary of Chris Tannav and via New Jersey to eat a little more money along the way

have sent him to Dallas. In exchange, the Flames will get the Stars second rounder this coming summer. Their 2024 second round pick. Artem Grushnikov, who's a 20-year-old left shot defenseman playing with the Texas Stars in the American League. And a conditional third rounder in 2020. which is the next year after this year that the stars have a third. They don't have one next year.

They do have the third in 2020. That condition we are being told is that Dallas goes to the cup final this season, the year that Christana is under contract with them. Devils eat some money along the way. After the flames eat half, they eat half of what's left. That turns out to be 25% for their services being a bank. They get a fourth rounder from Dallas.

And Dallas along the way, got the rights to Cole Brady. guy on the devil's signing list. So very much a human to move along, less than a prospect of notoriety going that way. So for the flames, a second and the prospect are guaranteed. The third conditional on Deep Run for the Stars. For the Stars, they get Chris Tanov at only 25% of his salary. And for the Devils, it's a pick to eat some cash along the way.

It's a three-headed monster, but it makes sense for all the parties involved. Dallas to eat money, flames, getting rid of a veteran that's expiring with pick and prospect that clearly they like. And for the stars, they add a right shot defender that slides into their top four. And I guess worth mentioning the conditions on that pick, if the stars don't make it to the cup final this year, there is no pick. That third will just go away and it'll be a second and the player. So you start to take a look at it.

How does this trade, you know how it makes sense for the Dallas stars? They've got to be happy. It's 25% of the salary. they give up a fourth which is manageable, I suppose, to take some of that cap relief. What it does, it allows them a little bit more business potentially to get done in the next week for Jim Nill. And you add a fine, rugged defender in Chris Tanna. So people watching this or listening to this are probably going to be less concerned about what it is for the stars and what it is for the flame. So it's a second round pick next year.

On one hand, you're cheering for them to go to the cup final so you get a third. but then on the other hand, it's like, the first round eggs would be all right too, because then it's a higher, a higher pick. That is a layer. Yeah, okay. You know what I mean?

It's, if they get bounced earlier, that's going to be a higher second round pick. But Craig Conroy makes this deal today. This feels to me, at least from the outside, there's something about this that Craig wanted to get done now. A second,

because when you look at R10 Grushnikov, six to 194 pounds, he was a second round pick in, in the 2021 draft. Stay at home, rugged defenseman. There's no numbers there. There's no reason to really believe that numbers are going to come either.

But he's a rugged, stay-at-home defender. We know that the flames could use some defenders. But I'm curious what it is. It must be the player because I'm guessing a second round pick is there from a number of different teams. This gets done today with a little bit of, there's some work there to be done with New Jersey as well. There's some elbow grease for Conroy.

There must be something with this player that he and the flames like. Yes, there has to be. Now, there's a number five beside his name here. Is this a prospect ranking of the star system? That is there. And it's, I mean, that's arbitrary. It's just one of many, many different rankings. And that's what you, I think flames fans are going to maybe be discouraged when they start looking at Dallas Stars prospect rankings.

This guy is either not on it or well down it. So the stars seemingly gave up a second round pick and one of their depth guys and are having to meet salary. So anyway, the book seems to be on this guy that he's a Russian defender, came over and played very well in junior, was part of an OHL championship team. And we were talking before we got on here. These guys are hard, they're kind of hard to appreciate. It's hard to know what you're watching when you're not looking for numbers. When you're a defensive defenseman, your job is to not be noticed. So you could play five, 10, 15 games and really not make.

an impression, but yet be doing extremely well in your own end. And when you think of guys like Jeremy Porriere and you think about, I mean, a little higher up, certainly all in Schillington, right? There's some guys that have that can freewheel and have that offensive ability. This must be kind of the yin to that yang as Conroy would see it. Because he is, he's a rugged guy. And to be playing at 20 years old, you talk about a lot. Jim Nill, I think the Dallas Stars are pretty sharp.

They spent a second rounder on this guy who does not have numbers. They signed them to an entry-level deal and was playing in the American Hockey League at 20. Not a lot of 20-year-old defenders are playing in the A. So I am curious to see how this player shakes out, because to me it feels like from a distance, the key to the deal. Yeah, I think the second was going to be there from anyone. that was kind of the sense that we got from our conversation with Frank. It was just a matter of okay. Could you twist someone's arm enough to get a late first?

Or it's the caliber of prospect that you're putting with the second rounder. And the Dallas Stars will be happy to attach a conditional third to a Stanley Cup final run because flags fly forever on a trip to the final. Certainly, I would think, is worthy of surrendering a third. It probably means we've got, you know, some nice run out of the Chris Tanniv department if you're if you're uh jim nil and the dallas stars so clearly this prospect does something for Craig conroy and you kind of said it they have a lot of that offense first point piling up defenseman moran in the queue they drafted the second round last year jeremy porre who just returned

to practice with the wranglers after a vicious slice that he suffered early in this season and when you look at the brucevich player that was added in the lindholm deal those are three very very all gas, no brakes type defenseman where you're like, maybe we can teach them the other side of the puck, but they're offensively gifted. This is a very different looking profile. And if Craig Conroy doesn't like this prospect, there's lots of other prospects that other organizations

could tie to their second round picks. It's clear the GM likes this player and something about him. And if he can skate well and he's physical and he's being effective in the American League at 20 years age at that position, he might be on to something. Yeah. Curious to see what happens with the player Now does he join the Wranglers?

They're going to have a hole with Tenev gone, obviously now. But there's some guys with the Wranglers now that could come in. But I thought that maybe this was going to go a little longer. We were always sitting and waiting apprehensive. When he had trading this guy, it could be the next shift that Chris Tannav gets injured. Well, he traded Chris Tanna before he got injured. And I guess it's going to take some time to see whether or not maybe you hold out for something else. We'll never know what the other packages are.

were that were available to Craig Conroy here. Sorry guys, my lights. I'm sitting outside the, sitting outside the rink and my truck doesn't want to let my interior lights stay on. But time will tell. But to this point, Conroy's instincts have been pretty good. He felt like there was something in Sharon Govich, and I think more people are appreciative of that now than they were at the time of the deal.

And I think this is maybe one of those deals are going to have to just accept and have faith in Conroy that what he sees is reality and that this guy could come in and play some valuable minutes for them down the road. And you make a good point about Artem Grushnikov. I mean, he's an H.L. player and the Wranglers are right here. You might not have to wait long if you want to watch him play.

This guy can be suited up in theory by, say, the weekend or next week with the Wranglers in the American League. And they'll have a chance to get him in with their player development team and get them under the tutelage of their coaching staff. He'll get some face time with the NHHCR big club organizational people. I'm sure there'll be conversations there. He's into their system now.

He's 20. He went right from the OHL as a 19 year old into the American League. There was not a single game stop at the ECHL. That is a monster jump at that position. And I think you'll probably get a good look at him in the W jersey of the Wranglers pretty quick here. Yeah.

So, and then there was one. We believe there was, there was sure a lot connecting Dallas. We talked about it. I think you had it on with Frank the other day. we were talking about Dallas. It seemed like Dallas has been dialed in on, on some of whatever it was,

whether it was, excuse me, Haniffin or Tanav for quite some time. So they get the Tanav deal done. It allows them a little bit of breathing room with, with Cap to do something else. And then there was one. It's Noah Hanofan.

So Craig Conradt, Trudeau's word is moving out the impending UFAs. I still, I don't see a 11th hour contract signing with Noah Hanofin. So that's what we're left to watch here over the next. eight, nine days. Yeah, and just really quickly to wrap the TANF thing. It is no just brush it aside thing that Craig Conroy moved to Healthy Chris Tannaf. This was certainly a game of chicken with the way that Chris Tanov plays with the number of times he's gone down the tunnel,

with the complete disregard for his body that he plays with, which is so admired and coveted by NHLGMs at this time of year. There's three games left until the trade deadline. There's Mika Kippersoft night on Saturday, Seattle at home next Monday. And then there are, off to their old Southeast Division swing, which is Tampa, Florida, Carolina. Craig Conroy played the game of chicken. He went heads up on the poker hand and he did get to deal a healthy Chris Tanna. That in itself should allow a lot of people to have a deep exhale because there was absolutely a chance that one of those half dozen to dozen trips down the tunnel that Chris Tanna have made over the last three months were ones that could have been

substantial injuries, including when he did miss time in the middle of that gauntlet run, Dean missed a game in Vegas and Colorado where you got hurt. This was a very, very, you know, if you, if there was one guy you wanted to maybe move early, it was TANF because of the risk inherited. They almost took this thing to the line. They got it done. Finally on TANF, this might go down as one of the best free agent signings made by the organization under Brad Trilliv.

and again, it's free agency, so often you don't like the back end. But Chris Tanna's availability in his four regular seasons with the Calgary Flames was beyond what anyone could have expected. He was hurt in a crucial series against the end of Dallas and then the entirety of the Euler series where he played through some injuries later in that series. But his availability to the Calgary Flames was incredible. And when you say, ah, it's free agency, the last year is probably going to hurt.

He's still playing at a level where they've now turned him into potentially three assets. They know they're getting two, the second rounder, and the Russian defensemen. They might have a third one if Dallas can make a deep run. And I think there'll be some Flames fans in southern Alberta, rooting for the green of Dallas in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Yeah, and I'll love it to you.

You love it for Dallas and for Tana. That's a great opportunity. You want a chance to go and win. It feels like he'll be a very good fit there. And I know that this deal is only about 30, 40 minutes old. and on one hand I'm telling people take a breath let this thing play out before you rush to judgment

but we talked about it today and we were kind of spitballing so if you get a couple first if you go a first for 10, a first for for Hanofan and then before that's a second and maybe Stankovin or Tide de Landria Maverick Bork like this is San Cohen wasn't moving friends

right I just I'm curious where you sit is this does it feel kind of underwhelming this can't be the return, especially knowing that there was 10, 12 teams in the race to get this guy. It doesn't feel like the return that we were expecting. I would, yeah, I'd agree with that. I also think that if it's a second plus a prospect, a lot of people wouldn't have this prospect at the top of list of prospects that were probably available to be taken. It tells you again that Craig Conroy really likes this player.

Yeah. Because I would have a hard time thinking, there's 10, 11 teams in the mix, and you know the price is a second plus at a minimum, where this is, you know, by prospect rankings, the best guy they got offered to them. I don't believe in that. What I do believe is that Conner sees something here and that this is a guy he has rated a lot higher than the public or the guys that are doing prospect rankings and system rankings. The late first always felt like a complete best case scenario. And I don't know that it occurred.

the question will be when we look back at this in five years is the jump up from a second to a first worth what Grushnikov's given you and if it's a guy that maxes out at the HL level, the answer is absolutely no. If it's a guy that plays a number five defenseman and gives you physical minutes, sort of like a Nikita Zedorov light

for five, six years down the road, absolutely the answer is yes. So we'll see what he turns into. Left shot, physical, and he skates well apparently, which is something you always want. to hear about a player in today's game. And there you can see. That is from the athletic.

This is Scott Wheeler's prospect rankings. He's got a lower ranked 10th, but talks about the tools. Longstri, ability to defend. Yeah. Good gap control. Excellent backwards skater, disruptive stick. And physically can close out players. I'll be curious to talk to, yeah, because Red is a guy who he didn't struggle.

He did not play in the American Hockey League. He was a defenseman that joined the NHL immediately. But what is it when that is your skill set and your tools, your toolbox is defense. And I think it's harder than ever to defend. And when you have to rely upon that, and you don't have a power, you're not a power play specialist,

there's no offensive side. The only way you're getting noticed, getting drafted and getting into the NHL is on your defensive play. How long does that take? How patient, do you have to be? Is he a year away? Is he two years away? It's until we see him, it's going to be impossible to know. But you sit today, and I'm not trying to make anybody feel better, but a second round

pick, I mean, Rass was a Sanis was a second round pick. So if you- Oliver Shillington was a second round pick, if you start to- Doobay was a second round pick, yeah. You start to use some of these unknowns in addition to some of these players. He's restocking the cupboard and they're not all going to hit, but you got, You got Chris Tanev for four years, to your point. I think that was a misnomer, too, which is how injured he was in New Jersey,

or in Vancouver. People don't pay attention to what he did here. He's hurt all the time. Well, he's not hurt all the time. One year, he played 82 games. He played 70s. The Southeast he's been over a four-year stretch. He was incredibly, luckily healthy for the Calgary play.

So he was a very good signing. And now it continues to go forward. It'll be a blow to the room. they love that guy. He loves those guys. That would be, you don't see him, he's not a chatter box,

but that will be a very veteran presence. I know this is a hard one for Conroy to make to the point. I know when I brought it up to you guys, you think he considers resigning him because there again, maybe the offers aren't superb. There's no first rounder out there. Do you maybe just try and keep this guy?

I don't know, but. Well, that's interesting. I mean, he is a free age in July 1. If the market's a little soft or he gets hurt, and kind of falls down, you know, I guess the rankings of who you want to sign. I mean, I think they absolutely adore what he brought to this room. He was a lead by example guy. I don't think there are many players in the entire league that offer what he offers

in terms of that grit and ability to play through injury, to play with the disregard for his body that we noted. This is a very special player that was undrafted and, you know, just a guy that has turned into one of the elite defenders in the national. Hockey League. It's an ingredient that Dallas misses. It allows them to push Hanley into their third pair. Harley's obviously having a great year. They've got Hayskin and they've got Ryan Suter, Essel Lindell. They needed a right shot for their top four and they've got it. And I think the Calgary Flames, what you're going to see in the immediate future is you've had McKenzie

Weger playing the left side as a right shot defenseman almost the entire time he's been in Calgary. I think now what you're going to see is Shillington and Hanifant on the left and separated McKenzie Uighur and Rasmus Anderson potentially. That would allow Pahal to play the left side and maybe Dennis Gilbert. I should Pahol in the right and Dennis Gilbert on left. That'd be a physical third pair. But really what we're talking about now is just waiting for the next shoe to drop, which is Noah Hanofin.

The Foley, they get the third rounder, which turns into Sunniyev, was at UMass, plus Sierengov, Tanov, you get a young defenseman who's 20 in the American League in a second rounder, a conditional third. Zedora, you got a third and a fifth. backland you resign. Lintholm's a five-pieceer. Project defenseman, intriguing offensive defenseman, a conditional fourth that could go to three, a first rounder, and Kuzmenko.

There's a lot of, because, yeah, I didn't say Kuzmanko. There's a lot of pieces that have been added here, and they've dealt with five of their seven free agents. I don't think there's a lot of concern about Oliver Shillington flying the coop. He's what they need, and there's a relationship that was very important between these two parties that allowed him to return to hockey. There's one left, one big piece on the chessboard, and that's Noah Hannafin.

After the Lindholm deal was done, it felt like it was one of those trades where Vancouver paid. I think that was kind of, we talked about it today. Vancouver stepped up. They knew they had to to get the player that they wanted. They maybe gave a little bit more. I'm curious because I feel like there might be some hand ringing over the next couple days. You'll hear of teams of men, if that's all it took to get Chris Tannav, then why weren't we in there

already out of Edmonton? It's a second and a depth prospect to get Tanna. Why weren't we spending that? I'm curious to see what the reaction will be because I think on the Lindholm one, it was, well, Vancouver paid. So Calgary, well done. I don't know, not that it matters, but I just wonder what the Monday morning quarterback will be on this trade from other teams.

Yep. And you know what? That would sort of match, I guess, the sentiment around the Tyler to Foley deal, which I think now is the Igor Sharon Coffey's deal. Yeah, it is. The Foley's only got a few months of a time left on that contract. And theoretically, it could be even moved ahead of this deadline if the devil's stubbed their toe in the next nine days. Again, I remember being on a rooftop in Nashville saying this deal, how you feel about it is how you feel about Yeager Scherengovic.

And not a lot of people knew anything about him, including us. This deal with Tannav has a lot to do with how you feel about Artem Grushnikov. Yeah. hard to know. Not the guys watching the Texas stars on a nightly basis. It's tough to say. I know we'll hear from Conroy at some point, if not tonight, that into tomorrow to get his kind of his scouting report on this player.

But my bet is that this is a guy that he has seen, that he's been watching. Because remember, he was a prospect, kind of a scout prospect evaluator at heart. Still loves going to watch the young guys play. I'm betting that this. This is a guy that was on his radar for a while and that this is the player that gets this thing done today. So any final thoughts?

I am now curious. Chris Tanev's sake and the flames future. Why not the stars this year? Or get out early and have a middle second round pick. I think the only thing about the first round, Dino, is that your final four pick 2930, 31, 32. And everything after that's just regular season standing. So that point, just go ahead. So no more wins.

Just get to the final. We need Ottinger to get, Audinger injured. We need some, didn't Wedgewood get hurt. It's all coming together. It's all coming together. We don't want people to get hurt.

So the Noah Hannaf and watch is officially on. We got just over a week to see what Craig Conroy and the flames get done there. So Tenev is off to Texas. We're off to enjoy the rest of our evening. Thanks for jumping in here on a, Barnburner breaking news updates. We'll see you, buddies. Be a good show tomorrow.

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