Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Darren Dreger (FULL INTERVIEW)

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

Pinder and Cabbie are joined by TSN’s Darren Dreger to break down some of the biggest storylines around the NHL. The guys start with concern surrounding Auston Matthews after the Toronto Maple Leafs star went down with an injury and the lack of response from teammates following the hit. From there the conversation shifts to the Edmonton Oilers and their ongoing goaltending issues after Tristan Jarry gave up seven goals in a loss to the Dallas Stars. The crew also touches on the Calgary Flames trade deadline moves before wrapping up with a fun question from Cabbie, asking Dreger about the biggest trade that almost happened but ultimately fell through.Youtube Link: https://youtu.be/czSpkFOSusE#nhl #nhlshorts #nhlplayoffs #nhlpredictions #nhlhockey #nhlpicks #stanleycup #stanleycupfinal #torontomapleleafs #edmontonoilers CHECK OUT OUR STUFF ⬇️BARN BURNER MERCHhttps://nationgear.ca/collections/shirts/FlamesnationBARN BURNER SHORTS https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj_bcGtvvo-cW2DHEDZ6dEO5ePDmlhZc9&si=jo8iNGxT4ImhS2Y8📲 Follow us:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fnbarnburner/X (Twitter): https://x.com/barnburnerfn?lang=en🎧 Listen on:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/be/podcast/barn-burner-boomer-pinder-with-rhett-warrener/id1648562889Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mc6Qd5U22R2zbMlQ7RxIiProducer: Jack Haverstock Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Let's go. Hey. Cabby was too. Oh, you came with the all black. You came in stealth mode today, brother. Okay. Hold on a sec. If I had been properly given the heads up that it was Pender and Cabby doing the show.

You wouldn't come on. That's what we come on. But I would have dressed appropriately. I would have a shirt. It's a start. Instead, I've got a John Deere hat on. I don't think he can see with John Deere. There's a Paterson egg.

Here we go. And then I've got, Ryan, I think you've seen this hoodie before. Cabby, I don't think you have. Take a look at this. Oh, yes. This is great. Oh, yeah, that's pretty dope. What club is that?

That's fighting wall. Yeah, that's the Cam River fighting walleye. So it's a junior hockey organization year, Thunder Bay, Ontario. I haven't checked in their standings this year, but they're really, really good. And they're one of those, Cab, you'd appreciate this. They're one of those quirky logos. I mean, it's a cool logo, but they're one of those organizations. And it doesn't just have to be in sport, but they sell out almost immediately.

Like, it's just online merch, right? Just the merch. Get it while I's here. Yeah, my daughter and her fiancee live in Thunder Bay. So anyway, they put me on at Cam Reverend. I'm like, oh, I want that stuff. So I've got several items now. I wasn't expecting to be put on game by Darren Dre.

Like a game in hockey for sure, but like as far as Fitzgo, I wasn't expecting not to happen around Friday, March 13th. I get it. But I appreciate it, brother. Austin Matthews, would you take us to Toronto? I mean, this was a miserable, miserable season with all kinds of questions to be answered about their future and how they move forward in the offseason

before their captain left with what looks to be a serious knee injury. Could be the low point of the year for the Toronto Maple Leafs. That's saying a lot when you look at the level of disappointment. That is pretty evident when you know you're essentially a non-playoff participant. You know, and this is a team that was supposedly built on promise. But in that moment, you know, you saw your decorated leader in Austin Matthews taken out on a dirty play by Radco Gudis. I mean, I think everybody can appreciate that Gudis knew he was caught there. You know, he's got Austin Matthews who seemed to be all.

alone just point blank. And, you know, in the moment, I guess I would be willing to give him a benefit of doubt. Is he trying to poke check there? What's he trying to do? But where you take away that moment of doubt is in the extension of the knee and how he powers through Matthews in delivering that knee on knee check. So that's, that's the hockey side of it, if you're willing to call that a hockey play. And it sounds like George Perros and Department of Player Safety are. Otherwise, it would be an in-person hearing and he'd be getting six or more games. So it'll be five or fewer. But even more damning than that.

And I'm educated now to say that because the injury doesn't appear to be as bad as it looked. Yes, he's going to have imaging later today to fully diagnose the issue. It sounds like a sprain or a strain and not something more damaging. So, yeah, he's still going to be lost for several games. if not the remainder of the regular season. But the big takeaway was, you know, it pulled the curtain back. You know, many people who are the naysayers don't love the way Craig Baroube coaches feels like there's been a disconnect between coach and management and the players.

The curtain was pulled back now, right? Otherwise, how do you explain how four other guys on the ice don't recognize what's gone on and respond? Now, do you have to see exactly? what happened, or is it enough to see your captain lying face first on the ice? I think it should be enough, right? That's the DNA of the athlete of a hockey player, whether you're a peewee hockey player or a star in the national hockey league.

To have zero response at that point is just brutally unacceptable. But it tells us something. Because again, you know, those who are chasing after Craig Barubrae are, oh, well, You know, he hasn't been able to get this team to play the way he needs them to play, expects them to play, tells them how to play? Well, how many times do you deliver that message before the player just doesn't want to do it? Or isn't listening or isn't willing, right? And so in that moment for a lot of people, oh, okay, I get it.

I mean, you shouldn't have to tell a player how to respond when his captain or his lineman or his teammate is lying face down on the ice after a dirty. hit. So yeah, it could be galvanizing. We'll see how they move forward. But the takeaway was that there needed to be a response. And there wasn't until they probably, you know, got the tar ripped out of them during the intermission. So if Craig Ruby is playing on this team, I know where he is after that it happens. And knowing a little bit about Brad Trulliving and his history in the miners, I know what he's doing if he's on the ice. Yeah. They've tried to build around. a core that might be perceived as soft. Yeah.

A lot of tough veteran, you know, physical players. Like, I understand why people are like, it's not working with Baruba here, but like, he can't give them his harder head is what he said the other day. Correct. And so it just feels like how he wants to coach is with a group of players that can't or don't want to play the way that he wants to have his team. Yeah. But that's why the challenge moving forward is so daunting.

You know, if you believe in Craig Baroube and Brad Trulliving as a coach and general manager, all right, well, then you allow them to try and go out and get players that are going to be willing, who have the heart and have the smarts to play that type of game. Man, is that a tall ask? That's really hard. I mean, Triloving has been looking for those players. It's not like Craig Baroube doesn't tell his general manager. All right, look, man, we're too small up front,

and we don't play with any sort of intestinal fortitude. That needs to change. We got to get stronger, bigger, and faster. And they just haven't been able to acquire those pieces. They haven't been. But I will tell you this, and I don't think that you're living would mind me sharing this. It was his first year as general manager of the Maple Leafs,

and I don't know if you guys remember, but it was Marshawn and Timothy Lolligrant. And it wasn't good. It wasn't good. And there really wasn't much of a response on that play either. And there was either a team meeting called or Trilabing took advantage of a team meeting and said, this will never happen again on my watch. It doesn't happen.

You know, if a teammate is taken out, then it's your responsibility as a fellow teammate to do what's right and show a response and be a good, teammate. And to be fair, last night was the first time that I recall where we've seen it as glaring and as blatant as that. So look, I mean, I don't know what Keith Belly, who's, you know, now the boss Maple Leaf Sports Entertainment views, that play, lack of response. I'm going to guess that, like, you know, everybody else, you know, fans and media, coach and management, didn't love it. but they've got to look at the bigger picture. And there should be a full organizational review at the end of the year. Yeah, that's where I want to get to.

But hold on. Like Pelly needs to be part of that review. 100%. Well, because he came in. He just can't wash his hands and go, no, okay, no, I'm still the boss here. I get to, I get to determine the fate of Brad Trilliving and Craig Barubing and the coaching staff. You know, I think it's been bad enough this year that if you're doing it. that forensic audit in review, then do it. Do it. But start at the top and work your way down.

I believe he's a year in, is that right? Because he had his opening press conference and he basically said, winning is the only thing that matters. Like, I don't really care for anything of subtitles. And you're, well, are they a long way away from that? He's a guy that's bouncing around sports media. I think he did some stuff over the European tour. Like, if he's doing an audit, who's helping him? He's not run a hockey club before, if I'm correct. Right. It's a good question. And, you know, is that help internal under the umbrella of Bell and Mapley Sports and Entertainment? Yeah, I mean, there's some experience voices there, not people who have run a national hockey league organization.

But, you know, I think that given the circle of people that he would associate outside of his work environment, oh, I don't think there'd be a shortage of opinion. There'll be lots of people who have some. ideas. But I always say the same thing, guys. And it doesn't matter if it's Toronto or if it's Calgary or any team in the national hockey league, any sport. When you're firing managers and firing coaches, who's ready or able to step in that you can guarantee is going to be better. And if Keith Pelley is around and he's making those changes to his hockey operations, then isn't that really the definition of that decision? You're promising your bosses that

okay, we're going to pay Craig Barubia out for the remainder of his deal. Likewise, Brad Troubting, okay, good luck, fellas, but you're no longer wanted or needed here. We're bringing in this person or these people to take your jobs. Well, it's up to Pelly to say they're going to be better and they're going to take us back to the promised land. And, you know, I always say it. I, you know, I know the time in the world for Peter DeBore as an NHL head coach. I do. I think he's

he's in that elite class of being an NHL head coach. He hasn't won. He hasn't won. He had a superb team in Dallas and, you know, had his little spat with the game of Jay Gottinger, doubled down on it two, three days later and he's out of work.

You know, so you know, to somebody pop up in the off season, I don't know. And I'd say the same thing in management. It's not easy replacing NHL general managers, especially, in a Canadian market and a market that has the volume of media and faces and voices that Toronto has. And again, if we're talking about the future of the club and you're talking about a GM and a coach,

like if you're interviewing guys, like, well, what am I working with here? Like, do we have Austin Matthews? Am I allowed to trade Austin Matthews? If I say I want to tear this down to build it up, am I now not on the short list? Like, they have to figure out what the heck they're doing long term because you would get a king's ransom for Austin Matthews. And if you keep them around, I don't know how you get enough assets around them in the next three, four years. They've traded most of the top prospects and picks. Yeah.

And look, I would say there's an undercurrent of concern. And I don't know that it's concern that Brad Trullivinger, Keith Pelley have or Craig Baroube has. I would just say collectively out there that maybe Quinn Hughes as an NHL superstar has blazed a trail here. for these players who have the clout to look at their contract and go, okay, well, I'm a year out. Okay, I'm not going to do what Connor McDavid did and extend now. I'm going to tell you two years in advance of my contract expiring that I'm probably not going to extend. And if you're not good with that, that doesn't sit with you as an organization, okay, then bring me.

trade options, but here is the list of teams that I'd be willing to consider going to. And maybe that list is one or two teams, right? But it's almost the new wave and just a fortunate few players have that type of clout. Let's be honest here. Austin Matthews, definitely has that level of clout. Connor McDavid, of course he does. So doesn't it feel like based on what we saw from Hugh? And look, Vancouver got a hell of a return.

for Quinn Hughes. So if you're Toronto and you're not sure that you can turn this ship around as quickly as you would need to to satisfy Austin Matthews, then that would have to be considered if Matthews, in fact, shares that sentiment. And I don't know that he will. I think he needs to see action in the offseason. And he needs to see promise that this team is going to be better.

And look, we talk about a lot in this market. and much has been made. He scored last night. Nice goal. Got a bit lucky to be fair, but it went in the net, right? You know? And then we make a lot of the scoring

grout that he just came out of. And you look at the data and you show, oh, look, he's had this many shots on net in his last 10 games or whatever it is. Okay, but you're talking about an elite level goal scorer who isn't scoring goals despite the fact that he's got these chances. And he can sing to the media about, hey, I'm still upbeat and confident because I'm getting

these chances. You know what he doesn't get? The elite grade A opportunities that were put on his stick a number of times a night by Mitch Meyer, an elite level playmaker. So again, that's just another layer of the re-tool, if that's what we want to call it. You know, I mean, if Matthews is going to stay in Toronto longer term, then Toronto's got to do a better job of finding better players to play with this man. That's just plain. Okay, well, switch gears from Matthews McDavid, the Oilers had a big win against Colorado, not without controversy a few nights ago. Last night in Dallas against the hottest team, riding an incredible undefeated streak. It was ugly. Touchdown Cowboys, they put up a seven spot and Connor was getting physical.

Tristan Jari, after his debut in Pittsburgh where he beat Skinner and hey, all the problems are solved one game, has been the worst goal in the NHL in goals against. And 58 out of 60 eligible goalies, qualify goalies in save percentage. It has not been the fixed. they thought. No. And look, I mean, the naysayers and, you know, people who lean on the I told you so's will see or say at the end of the year, whenever that is for the Oilers, while even though Bowman tried to develop, you know, just a change, different for the sake of being different in goal that didn't work,

and he didn't correct it. And so he doubled down on a mistake. And I'm not going to be in that chorus. I'm not. I, you know, it's hard to upgrade your goal to position in season. And I know Colorado did it a couple of years ago. But I mean, they, they kind of found lightning in a bottle, didn't they? When they made the double goalies change in Colorado, that doesn't happen very often.

It just doesn't. So you go to change of scenery approach and it does not work. It hasn't worked for Tristan Jari. But do you spend good assets on, again, taking a fly? on a goaltender? Or do you try and nail down two areas that you're pretty certain are going to be upgraded in Carter Murphy and in Jason Dickinson? And look, if I'm being honest, I would say that I appreciate what Bowman did here.

Now, he had to cover up mistakes that were made. Magic Penny. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, but every manager has to do that. There isn't a manager in the NHL, the most decorated that bats a thousand. It's impossible. It's impossible. So I do think that he improved two other areas.

And because of that, I still think they believe in time, and it has to be between now and the end of the regular season, that those two pieces are going to help the overall defensive structure of the team, which is going to help take heat off at Tristan Jarre and the goaltending of the orders. But fellas, it's not that simple either. I mean, when I look at that blue line, you don't just put Connor Murphy on that blue line and say, okay, well, now they're better. Well, one piece doesn't make you whole.

It makes you better in a certain area like penalty kill as an example. Darnel Nurse needs to be better. They all need to be better. And inexplicably, you know, Evan Bouchard is one of those players. And granted, he's been much better, I would say, since about the midpoint of the year. He has that big game ability, especially in the playoffs to flip the switch, where if you get Evan Bouchard all year long, he's winning Norris Crophies. I mean, let's just call it the way we see it because that's,

That's accurate. They need all those guys to step up. Otherwise, their season isn't going to go very deep into the playoffs. When you look at Dallas and you look at Colorado and you look at Minnesota, and if the Vegas Golden Knights can figure it out, there's something going on there. If they can figure it out, then I'd put the Oilers fifth on that list, which is crazy when you look at the level of success they've had over the past few seasons. What do you know with the nature of Ingram's injury?

Is there a timeline we have yet or not? I don't think so. I don't think it's an official timeline. I mean, that was a, not a scary incident per se. We just don't see it very often anymore, right? Where guys just go that hard to the net. So the only thing I was given, which is very unscientific and non-medical, is we just have to wait and see how it plays out.

So specifically what they're dealing with, I honestly don't know that it's just one thing. but he might need a little bit of time. You know, whether that's a couple of games or a couple of weeks, I guess they'll just have to go by what the staff is telling them is right. And that would make sense with the heavy contact bleeding in the head. Like if they're worried about a concussion, you just need time to see where it's at. So that would check out.

A week ago, we didn't have you. We ran you earlier in the week because you did 27,000 hours of trade deadline coverage with four trades or whatever it was. maybe give us a little peek into your Friday and then if you want to pivot from that into what Craig Conroy accomplished in a week and what it tells us about the flames moving forward. Well, I mean, obviously disappointed

the volume or lack thereof. And normally we have a pretty good read on what trade deadline day is going to be like. And more often than not, it's like it was Friday. It was slow, right? It was slow. Based on the volume of players and the appetite for trade,

I thought that Friday was going to be way busier. Twice maybe three times as busy, to be fair. And I still don't have a full read on why it didn't come to fruition. I think there are a couple of financial factors in play here. Fewer teams needed cap space. And because of that, even those teams that had cap space weren't in a position to trade it off because it wasn't needed, right? So there wasn't as much of that as was expected.

And you had some big, big pieces in play, right? And a couple of them belonged to the St. Louis Blues in Robert Thomas and Colton Pereco. And neither one of those players was moved. And then you flip it over to Calgary. And I'm sure you got the same feedback. But the messaging from the flames to us Friday after the deadline was they had a number of amazing offers. That was the word that Craig Conroy used to me in describing the level of interest in Zach White Cloud,

amazing offers. And good offers on Blake Coleman, but not great offers. So if you're getting amazing offers on a player, then why wouldn't you trade that player? And the reasoning is sound, whether the fan base can appreciate it or not, it's the value in White Cloud and Ann Coleman,

but White Cloud specifically to a young developing defense. so he's going to have a mentoring role. He's still a very, very effective D-Man. So his presence as a leader for the Calgary Flames, but also in the community, right? And how he's quickly been adopted by the community. And you know what? I got time for that, guys.

I do. Not every trade, you know, has to be a trade whereby, okay, it's can't miss or you can't lose. I mean, sometimes you don't make a trade for personal reasons, not just the assets that are coming back the other way. And I think that that's what it boiled down to, and those decisions made by Conroy and company. And so now let's quickly shift over to the deal that did happen.

And that was Nazim Cadry to the Colorado Havillan. And let me tell you this. So right up until 3 o'clock Eastern, Darren Ferris, who represents Nazim Cadry, was losing his lid because he didn't think that there was a deal in place. He didn't think that a deal was going down. And he thought that Nas was going to have to stick out the ear

with the Calgary Flames. That's not the worst thing in the world, right? But he knew that Cadre would be disappointed. Everybody knew. We talked about it lots of times on the show about him wanting to go to a contending team. And let's be fair and frank. it was Colorado all along that he wanted to go to.

But when Chris McFarland, you know, did the about face and then traded for Nekroa, it seemed very unlikely that they were going to turn back on Cadry. And I've heard a couple of things that are of interest that some of the players in Colorado may have talked to McFarland, all due respect to Nicarwa. Like he's a nice ad for the abs. But the history with Nazim Kagri, the fit that they see or saw in. Colorado, all of that. I think McFarland was encouraged to get back at Craig Conry. And he did. And he did Friday morning. And I think that Conroy did way better in that trade than he would

have in the summer. I don't think there's any question about that. I agree. Any other details about it? Like it was weird. We did a live stream that was four hours. And we basically spent three and a half hours losing our minds. They had moved Codry because look at the market for centers. Braden Schen got what. Nick Waugh got what. How are you sitting on this asset? like he's 35 he just 36 in the fall like do not be caught holding the bag let him go chase another championship it's a win for everyone ever gets him great player he gets to go try to win another cup you get to turn around this ship a little quicker because you're getting assets now and out later and then the strome deal comes out and you're like oh maybe they didn't move nassum because

i don't know why he'd bring it a veteran playmaking centerman that's making five and a half if you're keeping nazum i tweeted out through the old chimney of of the smoke at the St. Peter's Basilica or whatever. The new Pope, new Pope, something's happened here. We got news. Was that it for you where you saw that? And you're like, okay, this is happening? Yes, that 100% right.

But, you know, look, I mean, the flames management, rightly so were buttoned down. Like, to a man, they were buttoned down. And I think it's because they were working on the nuance of the trade. And I don't think that there was ever. hard no or not retaining salary, but I think it was preferred, of course, that Calgary wouldn't have to retain. So when you agree to the place where you're taking on the 20% coming back, okay, well, what's the value of that? And so even though a trade conversation picked up, because a lot of it would have been discussed before McFarland went to Toronto and acquired

Nicaragua, well, that's the starting point. And it has to be a little bit different because Colorado didn't have the same assets to provide, right? So I think it just took the better part of the day to iron it out and to figure it out. And I think why Ferris was upset was Calgary knew that he would go to Colorado. Preferred destination. Yeah, he would have went to Montreal. Like, you know, but Montreal needed more. I think Montreal needed like 40 or 50 percent retained.

And that felt like basically a non-starter. and I don't really know how deep they went into that pool. I think Carolina was one of the teams early in prior to Friday. And my understanding is I don't think Cogre wanted to go to Carolina. That's fair. I mean, again, that's why players have no trade clauses. So, you know, to get back how this deal got done, I just, I think that the framework was there based on the negotiations they had prior,

but because of the salary retention and the nuance of it, It just needed the better part of the day to get it finalized. I got a couple, Darren, for you. This is, the preface is NFL related, but I hope that there's a story here. So Max, Max Crosby, who was a all-pro defensive end, was trying to the Baltimore Ravens. Baltimore does the physical. He's recovering from a torn MCL, and they rescind it. They pivot on the trade and they go get another rush end because either the internal pressure or the public pressure,

because they gave up a couple of first-round pictures. from them. In your experience, what was the biggest or what is the most prominent trade that never happened or that was rescinded, you know, at the 11th hour, similar to Max Crosby's level in the NFL, which is an all pro rush. Yeah, I got one. Go ahead. Here in town. And it was probably one of your old colleagues. I think you got suspended for it. The trade of Jerome McGinla to the Boston Bruins. Confirmed. Remember, Aaron? It would be fair that like if I'm reading tea leaves, that was the trade.

And then when they did double back to Jerome, who said he'd go to Boston or Pittsburgh, he was like, I just talk to Sid. I kind of want to go to Pittsburgh. I mean, well, that's true. And like not to throw anybody under the boss. I mean, Wardo was a great sport about that. And he took it between the eyes. He wasn't wrong in the moment, right?

In the moment that. But I remember being in the studio when that was all shaken down. And I wasn't on the main panel, but I was there. And I was trying to communicate to those guys. I literally had Pete Chorale on the other line saying, he's not going there. He's not going. Don't report that yet.

Hold on. It's not. And I'm trying to wave my arms. Yeah. Hold on. And then you had to be confirmed. So that's definitely one of them. There's no question about that.

I mean, for me, the most recent experience was what we went through with Colton Perrako of the St. Louis Blues, right? And I haven't. Yeah, it was a weird one. Weird in the sense that, you know, I knew that the trade had been agreed to.

I knew the details of the trade. I reported on X that there was an agreement in place. It was believed a deal was going to be done between St. Louis and Buffalo pending player approval, etc. Well,

Colton Pereco had to wave. Now, anybody you know is Colton Perrako, and I don't. I just, I know his agent Jerry Johansson very well. And he jokes about this, and he'd probably tell the story. But he said, Colton is one of those guys who, you know, he goes for coffee. You know, he'll stand and look at the 65 selections, and then it'll take him 10 minutes. Like, do I want a latte? Do I want an Americano?

Oh, you know what, the child? Cinnamon. He looks pretty good up. You know, like. But, no, it's just, you know what? some people are wired that way. So for, you know, I look. And then you'll get other agents who say, you know,

don't bring us a deal and ask us to waive unless you've got a deal. And you're asking us to waive. So some agents and players with no moves and no trades don't want to be part of the process. They don't. Others are like, and in this case, Barako, hey, if Paraco had a three, four day head start. Yeah. And St. Louis came to him and said, look,

there's a couple of teams kicking tires. Here are the two teams that are kicking tires. I believe it's more likely that Buffalo is going to make an offer that we're going to like. So give this some thought. I'm not saying I'm coming to you and asking you to wave, but I'd like you to give it some thought. And that just didn't happen. That wasn't the direction that the Blues took with Pareco and he got hit over the head with it.

Wasn't upset. He just couldn't make a decision. in the timeline that Yarmal Kick the line and the Buffalo Sabres needed him to make it. And so he had to decline. So that's different. That's not injury related. But it's, you know, and people are pissed off because, you know, I did my job to reporting it. And his name shouldn't have been reported.

Well, that happens all the time in the NFL and the NBA and all. You know, like the transparency that exists in other sports, you know, makes the, the National Hockey League look amateur at a bunch of different levels when it comes to this kind of stuff. But that's definitely one that went off the rails at the last second. Well, we hope you're well rested. That's a crazy week that you had last week. I hope you've got lots of meat smoking in the backyard, a hyperbaric chamber. Insiders, lay down your phone.

You may now rest. Well, hey, but NHLGM meetings next week in Florida. So I'm actually flying of Florida on. on Sunday. So if you've, I haven't seen the agenda. Colin Campbell is ahead of hockey operations. Because of guys like me puts that thing in a vault and doesn't send it to the managers until like Saturday or even Sunday because he's afraid it's going to get leaked out. But if you have anything pressing or burning or any of that that you want me to throw at the managers, by all means, just send me a text. I think we should settle to Stanley Cup final game seven, three on three. So just move flow to step by the base. I like the idea.

Thanks, Treggs. Have a great weekend. Yeah, you too, guys. Good seeing you, Cappy.