Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Flames Introduce Ryan Huska As Head Coach | FN Barn Burner - June 13th, 2023

Episode Date: June 13, 2023

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Oh yeah, buddies. How we doing? It's, uh, just right. It's quick note, quick note. How we doing? It's, uh, it's Barroner. Welcome to the show. Welcome to the podcast. Whatever we call it. It's, uh, it's good to have you here in the tower cries or studios. There's Pinder. There's, uh, there's Warner and boy, look. Look. Look. Yeah. It's, uh, it's like having a say, at the end of every show. I want to try and get it. Cause everyone's giving me shit about it. No, that's your look now. That's your identity. You got to own it. You can't half mile this shit. Yeah. It's like having a saying at the end of every show. And, and just can't abandon it. Yeah. Yeah, just abandoning it all together. It's bad for him. Oh, I feel so much better. I can tell you that.

What's going on? It's so good. No, his glasses are on now. Get off your phone and the show starts. I'm sending Jack a note here. Jack, it's right there. You should have talked to him before. Jack attack.

That's right. How are we feeling about the new start time? Are we all right with it? I'm good with it. I like it. Are you ready for it, though? Are you ready for it, though? I think we should start.

Today, yeah. One day at a time, baby. Because it's hit and miss with me. Some days, like, I'm glad we have a little extra time. You know, when I know you're on time is in the studio. Sometimes at home, it's like, yeah, I don't know if it's going to be on time or not. But I'm not. Well, I'm okay.

I'm sorry. My observation may be wrong. When you're here, you're always ready at 10 is my thought. I'm always ready. I was born. Oh, he's mad. He's gone. He's gone.

Quit. Quit the show. Had it. Not going to go from home anymore. Jack attack. He's driving in. How are you, retro? What's new?

You just post-workout? You get the energy drink there? What's happening? It's carbs, protein? No, it's a coffee, but it's a coffee mixed with a... It's a soup coffee. Pardon me? It's positive energy coffee.

A soup coffee? Super. Oh, okay. That makes more sense. Yeah. So I think it's got a bunch of protein. and junk in it to make me think I'm drinking something good for me, but no chance. So it's really mental health, not real health?

Oh, 100%. Got it. Okay. 100. I got so much stuff I want to talk about today. We don't have enough show. Get out of, Tino. Take the reins here.

Had to take my, well, we'll start because we're in the Tower, Chrysler Studios. Had to take my truck in. Get your winter tires off? Well, yeah. Winter tires off and new rubber. last summer when we put the summers back on the guys at the tire shop were like we're not comfortable putting these tires back on like ah come on just just give me we'll do let's it's not up to you yep putts oh limp through another summer they're fine we don't use it a

whole lot it's like I'll put it off and then I quit my job it's like geez I really should have really should have paid for those tires while I still had a job that would have been smart so anyway take the truck in get the the tires done. And long story short, needed a ride because my dumb kid was supposed to pick me up, but couldn't. Anyway, so Brian, one of the shuttle drivers over a tower, takes me home, gets me back there. Nothing but glowing things to say about tower and about surge. He says, I've worked at a bunch of dealerships. I still do some different driving for different places. I'll tell you what, tower. The people are happy. It's the best one that I, that I have worked for. And I think it's all

because of surge. It's a culture setter, Dean. I guess. So I guess you got to quit sugar. Yeah, that's it, Dean. You got to set doing yoga and you get you. You'll be happier, make everyone else around you happy. So we all are out, sugars out for all of us. Then you can set the culture, Dean. You can be a leader of men. Yeah, that's me. That's me. Not now, but when Quit sugar. You've got to quit the sugar. Yeah. That's a part of another story.

And maybe I'll save it for later in the week when we got nothing to talk about. Yeah, we do have stuff today. You're right. So we got Frank Saravalley coming up in his usual time, about 40 minutes, 45, somewhere here. Yeah. We'll get Frankie on. The Flames, however, they rolled out the red. They just, here he is, everybody.

Here's our coach. Ryan Huska. You knew he was coming. anyway, but here he is. He's wearing a sharp red tie. Looks great. His family's here, lovely family. And again, it was another feel-good press conference over at the dome. They haven't always felt that way, but Conroy, very pleasant. And then Huska yesterday, just a very nice guy, very pleasant. It's kind of a departure. They're two and oh on press conferences, Dean, and that means fuck all. I mean, it's lovely that they're nice. I mean, they're not

two and no they're two and one because the Don Maloney John Bean one was a total cluster. Was it a loss or do you give them kind of a no, no, that was. Two and one. They're two and one. They're six sixty seven points percentage. That's going to win your division. That's great. But I mean, in all this is great.

If the team's no good, it doesn't matter. If they make mistakes, it doesn't matter. If Ryan Huska isn't a head coach, it doesn't matter. And I'm not suggesting those things are probable, but sometimes we overreact too much about how the feels are in the room. It was great vibes for Conroy for sure. and Huska again yesterday. Yeah.

Let's hear from the gentleman. I forget who asked. It was kind of a, because you do wonder, how do you get word? Was it, did you come to your doorstep? Was it a Zoom call?

Do you get a phone call? How did you hear that you were getting the job? And here's what Huska had to say. It was, there was a little kind of awkward time between final interview and finally getting word that he was going to be

new head coach of the team. Your second interview, you're always hoping that you're going to hear something sooner than later, whether it's a yay or a nay, and it was quiet for a day. And I'm like, hey, there's still a lot's probably going on. It was quiet for another day. So then I found myself on the third day power washing my stones in the backyard for like six hours. Like what was going on back here.

I don't have a weed in my yard right now because then your mind starts to go on you. It was again, that's something for a different time. But, and then I talked to Crager. He texts me that night if we could meet in the morning. If I can interrupt, we actually went to see Charlie Cabelka sing. So Ryan and I were there. And there was a lot of people around, so I didn't say anything, which was probably a little awkward.

I could feel the tension, to be honest, it was a lot of tension. And then when the concert was, you know, like when she was done singing and we were there for a while longer, when I went home, I texted. him could you meet me at the dome tomorrow at nine and he quickly got back to me saying yeah but it was it was a weird little I don't know what you thought I felt weird I jumped in the car afterwards I'm like that's it we're done so I

loved getting the text later that night and it was I was probably the first guy in here in the morning for sure again if only to play that to show that Conroy had to jump in there that Craig had to I gave if I could just get in here for a second little anecdote here. He's the pender of the flames. That's right. There you go. Everyone loves them. Sign. No, he talks a lot. It's not has nothing to do with endearing quality. So I assure you. So Huska's the guy. We talked about it yesterday. You're happy for him. He's taken that route that some people in hockey. Some observers think you have to if you played or if you didn't play, so you start here, then you go to here. And then you go to here and there. It would seem that's the traditional path that he has taken. And then Huska,

assures everyone that he is ready to be a head coach in the National Hockey League. You're always taking information. And as I mentioned, with some of the people that I've had a chance to work with and for, it's almost like you're creating your own little book of, yes, I love this. This is an unreal idea. This maybe I could tweak a little bit. This I wouldn't use. And then you start maybe building your profile as to how you would like to see a team play.

So you don't get that opportunity if you're not put in these situations. So I look at it as this is the way I was supposed to go. I had to get myself to a point where I know the players, I know the league, I know the demands that are placed on them, I know the demands that are placed on the staff, to allow me to be comfortable and confident in this position, which I fully am now. And if I go back like five years, everybody wants to be the head coach,

but if you're not ready for it, it's, it can be an awful, tough time, you know, having success. So I feel fortunate that I've done it the way that I have. It's put me in a good position to make sure that I'm comfortable and confident and knowing that I'm ready for everything that's coming. I think I talked to you about it last week, maybe retro, earlier this week. Just about if you've played, you know the rigors and just the entire, how the NHL works. Huska, very out on Fridays, I never play.

I've coached it, but using that five years as an assistant, being on the bench, around the league and that sort of thing. There's just things, there's info that you gather. There's experience that you gain by doing that. And he references five years ago, because obviously he was up for the job five years ago or whatever, you know, before he took over his assistant coach. It's hard for some guys to hear, but it's probably the case. It's not tried and true. Nothing's ever 100%. But you do feel like, while there's an.

awkward part of going from assistant to head coach, which we'll hear in a moment, there's also some real value in being around the team and being in that everyday sort of, it's different than the A, it's different than junior. Obviously, that's, that's very clear. But I think that it's, it sucks for guys that haven't had that experience to hear, but it's a real thing, isn't it? I think so. I talked to Jay McKee, who had coaches in Hamilton, and he said the same thing.

You know, you all think you're going to jump in and be a. head coach and you know it all, but there's a lot to be learned along the way. So there's, I never coached. So my assumption is there's huge value in learning the ropes and kind of finding your way. And probably Fing up under a smaller microscope, right? Like not in the biggest of matches or seasons or leagues, right? So you're going to screw up, screw up as an assistant coach for Colonna. Okay, I'll learn from that.

Or watch other guys as head coaches screw up and be like, I'm not doing that. So, yeah. All that stuff. So, yeah. He's been had a long time. So there should be, he should have had a pretty good learning process. And to be doing it for that long, it should have a pretty good grasp of what's required. So, yeah, you hope them the best.

Everybody likes them and speaks highly of them. So fingers crossed. The assistant coach, we've talked, everyone's talked about it. And he was ready for the question he said as much, going from an assistant coach to a head coach. It happens, it's kind of rare. And then if it happens, is it successful? Does it work?

He is very confident in that as well. He thinks that, as he tells you here, being around this team as closely as he has been, is a benefit more than anything else moving into the head coach spot. certain people, it's maybe easier for them to make, hey, this guy's going from being a 1400 game guy in the NHL to a head coach. For me, that's not the path that I was ever on. I wasn't a good enough player to actually have a decent NHL career. And I recognize that realized that, but I wanted to be in the NHL.

So I knew in order for me to get there, I would have to take a lot of steps along the way. And part of those steps is earning trust. and you do that in each and every step. And I feel like I did that with our guys here as a head coach in the American League. I feel like I earned trust in a different way when I came up here as an assistant. And I'm going to do the exact same thing as a head coach now where I'm going to earn their trust. But the big thing for me is consistency in how I approach individuals and the team and preparation to make sure they know that I'm prepared to allow them to be prepared.

and then there is no more issue period. As, and I think is your point, Ryan, good luck. Yeah, this is great for everybody if it works. Yeah, and work, like, please, because there's been a pattern here, and this doesn't really break the pattern. It's gone from hard ass to nice guy to hard ass to nice guy to hard ass to nice guy. And, you know, we have seen some assistants go to heads,

and it works really well. I think we made the list yesterday, Brindamore, Granado, Eveson, Baroube, Brunette had one great year Lane Lambert, everyone's speaking very highly of, they make the playoffs. But there's also guys that have had a lot more time than Ryan Huska on benches on assistant as assistants. He's not so overqualified they had to do this, right?

He's probably very much in the middle of the bell curve in terms of like how long guys are assistants. Like Jamie Compton's tonight, you'll watch on the Florida bench. 15 years as an assistant in this look. So it's like, it's not like Ryan was overcooked here, but maybe he is ready and you hope he is ready and trusting that the people that know them better than we do chose him I think he probably is ready

at least for his first shot right and I think there's some guys that don't want to be head coaches or just know they aren't like Glenn Goldson I think you know great great thinker could not seem to command that group you know he's throwing a stick into the stands trying to get their attention certainly doesn't need help on X as an O is a great assistant probably the same with Jeff Ward you know everyone thought that way about Rick Boness forever

who was a big part of John Cooper's early success. He's finally got his second stint, or much later on after seemingly over a decade, to be ahead in Dallas. And that was after the incident that I think they had in Dallas with Jim Montgomery. And then Winnipeg. Like it's, there isn't just this, oh, like, check the temperature. Is he ready?

It's complex. Wow. And isn't it getting painfully obvious? Well, it's getting painfully obvious to me that the fact that they've been bullshitting about having a great room is... Room's an issue, yeah. Look under... Every interview, every conversation that any... All these press conferences, there's...

I got to get earned the trust, and we got to do this. And I'm not disrespecting Ryan as take or is what he's saying. But what's very obvious to me, if you really listen, is the issue is the effing room. right? Well, yeah. The coach was a massive issue. X's and O's are all the same in the league. Let's be honest. There's small differences amongst 32 teams.

Pretty standard stuff. It's about getting guys to buy in. Yeah, I mean, he talks a bit about some systematic changes that I'm curious about because we talked about it a lot this year. They sure are settling for quantity over quality. They've got to find a way to change that. And maybe that's personnel based, but I really don't. it matches up way too much with Daryl's past to say it's just,

oh, he didn't have the right horses. The way he won cups might not work anymore, you know, to grind teams out to three, two wins. And, yeah, like I have a clip in the Pinder report. We'll play later. But I think, yes, everyone knows the X's and O's, but this team does need a bit of a tweak in those as well, not just to fix the room stuff.

And look, we'll see how much fresh air is in there with Daryl gone. That was a part of it. I think it's fair to say, and we talked about it over every bloody day all winter long, there's no one magic bullet. It was a number of things. You had a coach who just lost the room. You had players who weren't handling their new situations well. They had guys who were having babies that weren't handing.

There was so much going on in a way that they were as close as they were to making the play. playoffs, it's not a miracle, but it's probably testament to just what it is. I do. I think it's little tweaks in terms of gameplay. I think the mood in the room will be better, obviously. They talked about it a lot yesterday about fresh starts and positive energy and upbeat and culture and all this sort of thing. To your point, Rhett, by game 10, what are you? By game 20, what are you? it's still the players. And are the players, is it going to be such, is the room in such tatters that,

that guys are like, thank God that guy's gone. This is our room. Now do whatever the fuck we want. Because that's no good either. That's as bad as it is the other way. You want guys to control the room, but when they think it,

now it's a country club because they've got a nice guy coach who's going to give them some space because he's new. And were they close to making the playoffs? Because Darrell actually pushed the piss? out of them and squeezed as much as they put out of them or are they going to be on it. You go the other way too. Oh, now we don't have this guy yelling at us.

I don't think that's going to be the case. Yeah, and the other factors too were, you know, it definitely reading between the lines, there's a lot that was said about Darrell yesterday. That was a really negative room and a place where people weren't happy showing up to work.

I think there's certainly a lot of questions. It was suggested by some insiders that none of the seven players were willing willing to extend if Darrell was back in terms of negotiations that'll happen this summer with pending UFAs. And then we could ask the question, would Oliver Shillington be coming back? Like, we don't know how deep that is, but we'll see. And if they look like the same club as last year, then, you know,

Daryl's taken too much of this on the chin. But if all of a sudden this is a reinvigorated group that looks like a contender, it's like, oh, man, that must have been awful in there. But we don't know. We weren't there. We can only try to read tea leaves at this point. He was asked as well about his bench because obviously he was a guy that was running the D side. Here was both Conroy and Huska were asked, but here's Huska on adding or augmenting to his staff on the bench.

You bring people in that provide balance to myself and the rest of the staff. So you want different experiences. You want people that have been around different people, different ideas, and that's something that's important. and you also want a group of people or coaches that you can be comfortable with around each and every day. That's so important because we spend so much time together. But we do have a list that's being built and that's going to be priority now for me to get working on that. I mean, what happened there? Like it's, yeah, he's got to go find assistance now.

You want to not hate your assistance. Good. Yeah, that makes nothing there. No sense. Hey, see what I'm doing to you? No, but it's annoying. I'm pointing at you. You're the fucking guy for the job.

Make me a cover letter again, Pinder. Dude, A.I did that and it'll take nine seconds. Listen. Cover letter in the next 10 minutes? We fuck around. Why not Rhett Warner? Why not you? You've not had a job.

You played your entire life at the position. That's why. There's other guys around who have done it. much like a GM needs guys around him that do some other things and head coaches need other guys you're the fucking guy they need you're no bullshit you relate with with players you got kids that are just slightly younger than some of those guys you're you recognize when it's time to work you recognize when it's time to have fun when guys are too tight when guys are too loose they need a guy to run the fucking blue line.

You're the guy. Yeah, I shouldn't have run in my mouth, I guess, so much. But I haven't got any phone calls yet, so. Well, you've got to show the initiative. You know, you've got to let them know you're interested. That's the, hence the cover letter, the resume, that stuff. I've asked for a job for over a decade straight. Well, there's, but I get that one year, right?

Volunteer position. Look, I mean, we're having. I'm not even having, I'm not even bullshitting about this. Here's the thing is the whole culture, everything's changed. This is a, this is a very, the players are the same. Everything else is different. It's Conroy. We believe, believe Iggy's coming in.

Haskah, this is your generation. I'm not sheepish about it because I don't want to do it. Or I would, I'm sheepish about it because I don't, I don't have, he's going to want guys that he knows. I don't, I know him a little bit. Right? I love to go and talk to him about the job. I don't have a resume that has any of standing behind a bench other than the kids stuff. So it's going to be a huge knock.

And there's a million guys that are going to want that job. So how do you stack up? Again, I would love to go do it. I would absolutely love to. I've always thought about it. But I don't know how you jump the queue. Well, it depends who, who determines what the cue is. Yeah, go to the top.

You heard, you heard what he, somewhat a conroy. No, but what I'm saying is if I'm Ryan Huska, how do I determine who's at the top or the bottom of that cue? Is it just naturally? Well, this guy spent 20 years behind a bench. That makes him the most compatible. Or this guy's a great fit with our coach, with our coaching group. He is the style of guy. He would fit in well with like that.

Huska's the guy in Conroy, those are the guys that are deciding who's in the queue and who's a better candidate than anybody else. We don't need to go on and on about it, but I just, it's all falling kind of into place with how, again, I maybe thought it was going to be Mitch Love, but Conroy was coming in. And we think, again, at some point is coming in. This is just a natural fit to me. You and you know if if huska's a nice guy you're an asshole so it balances out right right if it's all about this he's too nice you're such a prick I'll just get up and if I need to be nice I'll get off the sugar yeah right get to start leaning you out move back to Calgary let's start with that do you live

in do you live in Canada let's go there 10 days all right We're going to have Frank Zerevelli coming up. What time are we at here? 24. 24. Okay, let's, we'll spin here. I'll play the Conroy stuff. We are going to do that after Frank.

Lots of good stuff. Conroy, I guess for starters. Well, let's do the, you know what? It was the Huska presentation. Let's go there. He talked about the PowerPoint and when they were doing the interviews and then second round of interviews, what was it about Huska specifically?

Obviously he knows him quite well, but what? was it the pushed Huska over the top and passed the finish line to be the head coach? You know, he had it right from the beginning, kind of what he thought the weaknesses were, how we were going to play, different things he would change, video as far as defensive zone, offensive zone, set break. I mean, it was quite a detailed process. I don't know how long it took him. He did a great job putting together, and it was very, the one thing he's always, you know, even when you talk to the guys, his meetings are on. point, what he's trying to get across to them is easy to follow.

You know, they never said, you know, once he explains it once, they're like, okay, we know exactly what he wants. He's articulate, he's well spoken, and he's very attention to detail is second to none. So, and that's what it was in that whole presentation. You know, it flowed. He never gets off topic like I do sometimes. So I was like, this is impressive, you know, so to go through it and to see what he wanted to do and just to see, like he said, a couple tweaks on the defensive side.

I did have a hard time every now and then. I'm like, oh, there's a guy wide open in front of, you know, how did we have the breakdown? Where is it? And just the way he wants to kind of just subtly change that would make a huge difference in my mind. So I thought, huh, that's a great point. I didn't think about it. And then he showed me videos of teams that did that in the NHL already. And it's not going to be that big a change, but I think it's going to make a big difference. That was the thing that killed you this year. It's like, oh,

the shots are 12 to Calgary and a breakaway Islander score 1-0 New York like holy shit and Marksum's say percentage on first shots was like sub-800 like they didn't allow a lot of shots but there was still way too many odd man rushes and breakaways and it was baffling because it was the team before that I believe led the league the season prior and even strength goals allowed like they were they were right there for the Jennings if not for some special teams goals they win that thing like how over one year with a similar decor do you go from so tight, just so fucking sloppy. It's funny you mention that.

I'd kind of block that out of my... Yeah, well, it's easier that way. Hammer the bleach and forget it. One-nothing. Oh, yeah, right. It's, uh, look, just dominating on the shot clock. Mm-hmm. Scars.

But what, 30 games in? Chicago. It's like, you know, I'm starting to think this, uh, quantity over quality isn't, uh, isn't all it's cracked up to be. I'm not sure this is the recipe. And that's just the offensive side. The defensive side was frustrating because it's like, yeah, they had, uh, only allowed 23 shots.

Like, yeah, they had five two-on-ones and two breakaways. Like, how is this happening? Like this, you know, you're tripling the shock clocks and they're out chancing you. What? They need some tweaks. Yeah, they do need some tweaks. And he ran the D and if he feels passionately about changes they need to make, it does sort of beg the question, like, what's chain of command?

I think it's safe to say that in both chairs you've got more collaborative minds now than you did prior. And to Craig's point, he did go, I mean, as Craig. goes on and on. But he did, they're very much on the same page that we said with Craig, make sure you hire a guy that you can work with.

The Brad, Daryl, separation, however larger, insignificant it was. It was significant enough to be a problem. So make sure it's somebody you can work with. He was asked about Mitch Love, who I think felt like to a lot of people. It sounded like it. I kind of felt like it was going to be the guy.

He is not the guy. Favorite guy. He was there till the end, as Conroy said. Conroy was asked about Mitch Love with the Wranglers. An unbelievable job, two-time coach of the year in the American League. So he was right in that final four, I'll be honest. He was in the final four and he's confident and he knows he can do it and he's ready. I said, even I told Mitch and I'll be honest today that I think he needs a little time in the NHL

because, you know, even as a player when I went from the American League to the NHL, and then there is a step and there's a learning curve. And to just get thrust into that without kind of going through that, it's not fair to him. You know, I know he believes 100% he could do it and not saying he couldn't. But for me, being a first time, you know, GM in the league, to have someone that's kind of went through the steps the way I kind of envisioned it in my mind was probably the difference in making it. the higher.

Well, is that a shitty question to put in front of Huska? Right. I get that the question could, for Conroy's, it's fine because he's supposed to answer those questions. But I feel it's a little weird. I feel for us,

it's going, oh, so flip of a coin. Yeah. Better to this way where you got the job and he didn't. But, uh, yeah. And there again, the whole coaching thing that if,

it's not written in pen. This is how you have to become a head coach. In 20 years from now, Mitch Love might be a far superior NHL coach than Huska is. But timing. At this point, I don't know. I still, and we've talked about it a lot, I just,

how much of the success or lack of success as a coach in the A, is on you as opposed to your roster. Because you're dealing with rosters that are handed down to you from parent NHL teams, and it could be the difference of one or two players. A player who's this close to being in the NHL could be a star for you, but if your team needs a,

all of a sudden there's an injury, that player goes up, spends the year with the team, now you're without your best player. It just feels like you're a little bit more at the mercy, of what you're given. Of course.

Yeah. And the same in the nutshell level. Like Luke Richardson's coaching her is not going to be good in Chicago for the first three years. Like we get it. I really think if it's that close and you have two great internal candidates, hey, that's awesome. How when you saw what happened in this market last year, could you not place a lot of stock in someone that knew exactly what went wrong in that room last year? Or at least knew more than all the other candidates. There's no way Mitch Love.

would be able to unpack and know and build a solution for what happened in that room next year as well as Ryan Huska was. And the more I keep thinking about that comment that Bruce Boudreau made the other day, the more I'm like, yeah, if that's your biggest concern and your biggest issue, not that there's not enough talent, because that's one thing, but that that room needs to be right. And if it is, this team can be a contender. You have to go to someone that knows how to, that has the greatest knowledge of what went wrong in that room. It's not like there's a file they're going to hand over.

and then on October 13th, Darrell said this to a rookie. Like one of the guys was there. None of the other candidates were. Take some serious balsh to hire a rookie coach by a rookie GM. Yeah. And Huska brought up,

and of course he loves the guys of the room and believes they could play for each other and all of that. But I do, that's, that's the, it's maybe one of the rare times where the going from assistant to head coach

where it's looked at is maybe, how do you know, win the room over? How do you convince the guys that you have that upgrade in power? To your point, this is probably a time where it's a good thing to have been in that room for a period of time. Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, Rett keeps saying it's a massive issue and no one's pushing back. And how much of the, that issue was the head coach versus the players, Husk knows more than we do. Hoskin knows more than Mitch Love does about where those issues lie. and didn't lie.

One final one from Conroy, again, a different setting, but he was asked about Jonathan Huberto, if he had talked to Huberto or specific players about bringing Husky in any said he had. But this was Conroy on his most recent interaction with Jonathan Huberto. Making a big trade, coming here, the contract, everything like that, he put a lot of pressure on himself. So we're trying to take the pressure off him and just say, come have fun, play. You got to play your game. We're going to give you an opportunity.

And, you know, one of his things was, I need to be on the ice, Craig. And I said, you're going to be on the ice. I mean, that's what we do. I mean, when you have top players, you've got to put him, like Ryan said, in positions to succeed. He can't do anything with two minutes ago sitting on the bench. He needs to be on the ice. He needs to be given that confidence. And I think once you do, he cares.

I mean, that's the one thing I know everyone doesn't know him that well. I could tell it bothered him every day. Sometimes we wouldn't talk. and I could just tell where his mindset was at. But we need him to get back to having fun, coming to the rink, playing hard, and you know what? You're going to make mistakes. But put him in a position to succeed.

I'd love to know, eh? When did it go sideways? How did it go sideways? Oh, he's taking a shit. How early was that? How was early? I don't disagree with you, but. Yeah, we don't know.

We're from afar. There has to be more to. There has to be more. to a down year than one comment from a coach. Oh, of course. I just mean when publicly you realize something ain't right here, that was the first thing. Because before that,

it was, this is the most talented pastor of the Flames organization maybe ever had. But even there, right? Well, in hindsight, you're wondering if it's tongue and cheek. At the time, you're like, wow, this is going to be great.

And you had that incredible setup in a preseason game. And you're like, oh, this is going to be great. You know, you've just replaced Johnny's points and gave him Johnny's contract

that Johnny didn't take. This is going to go fine. He's maybe the, the greatest pastor the flames have ever had. So you know, Daryl was told how great a pastor he was and wasn't convinced, so decided to throw that one out. Cicastic, Big D. Jesus Christ. If that's the way it went, yeah.

I mean, it's hard to not view it from the lens of how it went. But maybe at that time he believed that. I don't know. He was taking a shit. No, he was hurt and getting work done on the medical table, and you took a shot at your player. Yeah. Maybe you think he's soft and he's not heard enough to go to the medical table,

but like he wasn't taking a shit. That was unnecessary and it immediately put pressure on the relationship. Maybe, but let's, I don't need to go to that. You know what, though? It's another one of those things where you go back and you realize that's a funny thing to hear in a press conference after. People laughed. Where you're like, just think of what other coach?

John Cooper, where was Kuturov in the final? I think he was taking a ship. You wouldn't see that anywhere else. Fucking Sutter. Yeah, Craig Button said something yesterday on TSA that I thought was good. So Darrell Sutter's still a great coach. Darrell Sutter did not have a great year coaching last year. I think both those things are true.

Like when you think about the Pellier thing as well, and these are just little things, the tips of the icebergs to put out over the ocean. We don't even know the stuff that hasn't. You're so, you're so, you've been convinced that it's, it's that side that was the problem. I'm trying to say to people listening and depender and whoever, was he frustrated in saying those things because the problem was there? Or was he creating the problem?

I think it's both. Yeah. I think everything's both. I don't think this is binary at all. I don't think this was all Darrell and everything's solved now. Like I, like I've said multiple times today, the issues in. the room, they're still there, some of them. All of them are gone.

Again, I don't know why I feel the need to, well, it's because we do this show and you have to argue both sides of a point. He's not 100% of the problem. We all know that. But most people out there, media, especially, want him to be the whole problem. It would be convenient if all the problems are gone, yes, but it's not real. Part of it, too, and we talked to Matt Stage in the other day, and he was talking about playing for Bob Hartley.

and guys hated Bob Hartley. But that team found a way to come together and it galvanized them. It was an F that guy. Let's, if we win, we win. I mean, yeah, he's going to come up. But F him, let's not watch our season go down the drain because we all hate this guy.

And they didn't win a cup, but they made the playoffs and won around because of it. They're not the first team to ever do it, right? Kings did it with they're all. You kidding me? Yeah. So did the Rangers with Keenan. Yes.

Like I'm saying it goes back a long way. There are a lot of coaches that were dicks. And the teams went, yeah, beat it. We're going to, we're here because of each other. He is our NHL insider. He joins us for Bontan Meats. The original Bontan Meat Market opened its doors in 1921. And all they've done since then is provide the highest quality product,

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years no i think they do that elsewhere okay yeah does it ever work that's what the new york rangers are just about to do so we'll tell us more oh just gerard go at peter laviolette who's the nice guy you got to fill us in here these are eastern conference guys i'll just tell you this i let me just give you a just a little small window into Peter Labilette. Spent a lot of time around him in the very early part of my career. And I, not all the time, but occasionally I would get a copy of that day's paper and story that I wrote with some things highlighted and underline and some comments in the margins directly from the head coach's desk, almost like he was my teacher.

is that right? Is that nice? No, it was like, or is he being a prep? W-T-F, like, what, like, it would, like, it would be, it was a fascinating experience. Came to really enjoy spending time around him

because I think he's a no-nonsense guy, obviously, but he is what he is. Is it the Oxford comma? Was that what he got him every time with you? No, it was never grammatical. It was always a content-driven. It was always, uh,

yeah. That's what I was wanting. Is it grammar or was it more your... An occasional comment would just be like, this is complete bullshit. Where did you get this from? Like, that was, that's occasionally how it worked. So with the musical chairs,

it's all starting to come together. You mentioned Gerard Gallant. Is it going to be without a chair here? Yeah, it seems that way. Look, they had a... The Gallant group had a conversation with the flames. It was very cordial. It was very short.

And it was a... part of it was financial expectations. The flames were not willing to pay anywhere in the neighborhood that Gerard Gallant would be operating. And therefore it was a very short combo. Yeah. Yeah, because Craig publicly said he's got lots of, he didn't have any financial restraint. But that's what every gym here has said.

So it's kind of part of the job is that you say that. What's he going to come out and say? Yeah. Hey, I just got hired here. And guess what? This owner does not want to pay a coach. Yeah, you don't say that. I don't know how we're getting to coach with this with what he's giving me to hire somebody.

Well, expectations better be low, guys. I've got a really tight budget on this thing. Is there any, any of you guys coaching AAA in town? If you're looking for a head coaching gig, gave me your ring. They also hit it kind of at the perfect time because they had quality in-house candidates that were ready for, and I said candidates, plural, that were ready for promotion that weren't going to command a high pay rate anyway, relative to others in the NHL. So now Conroy gets to focus on player.

personnel decisions. He said he was disappointed. He couldn't get to the Combine. That was one of his favorite things to do is go to the combine because he had to hire a coach. So now it's on to the roster. Huska said he had spoke with Elias Lindholm that morning. Conroy was planning to do the same and all of that. It feels like that's that's they've said that. It's priority one. We talked a little bit about Noah Hanofan yesterday. We put up your board that you had, the UFAD market. It's not a bumper crop, which I think could affect some guys of this and teams like Calgary with a Haniffin-esque type of a player who is maybe entering a final year, some questions about

whether he can be extended. It would make a Haniffin-like player a little bit more attractive, right? A lot more attractive. I mean, look, especially with the contract that he's on in this one last season of his deal, because if you're thinking and not thinking it's a fact, there's no conjecture or opinion in this. The cap is going up in a real significant way one year from now. The only question was, would they be able to cut it off and sort of smooth it out a little bit? That's sort of where it's heading. And so if you can, if you're a cap strap team and you could get a Hanifin at sub five

million bucks for one year and then worry about paying him later when the cap's going up, it becomes way less of a headache. So not just relative to this free agent class, but also relative to contract, impact, and timing, he's a significant trade chip for the Calgary Flames if they decide to go down that path, which I think, look, you got a real good sense of the playbook and plan from Craig Conroy at the first press conference that he had. Asset management, that was the buzzword. There's some significant scar tissue remaining from the way the Johnny Goddrow situation played out. And, you know, I just have a hard time believing that those three players in particular

to Foley, Hanofin and Linholm, will end up playing for the Calgary Flames on opening night if they are not signed to extensions beyond next season. What's a good comp for Hanofin? Like, do you see an example? I always look to that Hempus Lindholm swap, Anaheim to Boston, and they immediately income there. And maybe that's not a good comp, but a similar age. They're not massive point producers, but they do contribute a little offensively.

Big minutes. Certainly you can put him on a top pair and not worry. He's played with McAvoy since he arrived in Boston. Hanifans, certainly a top pair guy here when they put things that way. Like a first and two seconds for him, a first and two seconds for Hannifin back in the day, a first and two seconds for Dougie Hamilton back of the day.

Does that sort of feel like a starting point or am I way off here? No, look at you, Pinder. You're on track. I think when you actually boil down Hanifan's game, so you saw the price paid to get him before, his game has actually really grown a lot in the last two seasons and beyond. He's significantly better now than he was then, and that's not always what happens.

Sometimes there's stagnation. You don't always get the growth that you'd want. So comp-wise, I think that's right in the, the realm. I mean, in some ways, you might think that it would be even a little bit better than maybe he's not quite up to campus Lindholm's level, but the additional year of contract flexibility that you get from that, I would have to think puts him that return right in the same neighborhood. And so if the flames are looking at, say, that collection of picks, are you better? Or is it just part of the pain of getting younger? Do you immediately turn some of those around for

players like how how should Craig tackle this well I think you probably tackle it with an eye on both you take what you can get in terms of players that you think can help your team right now that fit your age scheme as you want to get younger so think 25 and under and if you can take some of those picks and draft really well you feel confident about the range that they would be in since we now know where the draft board lines up only you can look at your your scouting list and know to some degree of confidence that you would have in the selection. And if not, find a way to move it to improve your team in the here and now. Like I think both, it really the equation depends on how many of those three players are on the move.

And then I can better answer it. Where do you see Elias Lindholm in the power rankings or the pecking order? Just the even Western Conference, just in general, because we talk about it here. number one center. He is, but league-wide, where does he fall in? How much of a priority? How desperate should the flames be in trying to keep Elias Lindholm? Pretty desperate because I don't see anyone coming that's going to replace him as your number one center. And I don't just mean number one center on your team's depth chart. I don't know if you, if you were listening to us, because we actually had this exact debate yesterday for like 10 minutes on the DFO

rundown with Jason Greger, where we went through and named the centers in the league that we would put above Elias Lindholm. And I think the sort of no doubters, the guys that you don't really have to spend any time thinking about, the McDavid's, the McKinnons, the dry sidels, et cetera, I think the list that we got to was somewhere around like 12 of those guys before Lindholm fell into that next tier of players. And so I don't know where your cutoff line is. Everyone has it different. Are there 15 authentic number one centers in the NHL? Are there 18? Whatever it is that you deem as part of that criteria or crop, I believe that Elias Lindholm is in that group. I think he's

sort of right in the same range and tier as Dylan Larkin and Bo Horvatt and some other guys. He's got the 40 goal season. He's got the 80 point season. And unlike Larkin, who hasn't hit those thresholds and Bo Horvatt, who hasn't hit those thresholds, he's a runner up for a Selke. So you know that you're getting the complete game that you really require from someone like Lindholm. I think he's a number one, like big reason why Ryan Husko is on the phone trying to get this guy to want to stay in Calgary, who someone that he should probably also know pretty well from being on the bench the last few years. Like there's not this whole interview process or feeling out that like someone like

Lindholm would have to go through had it been maybe even Mitch Love who spent his time in the HAL or someone else that came from outside the organization. He should have like a damn good gut feel right now, June 13th. Do I want to be here or not? And I don't know where all this is heading, but the early indication, the early rumbling, were that the flames are going to have a hard time getting this guy to sign in a timely matter that they want him to. I don't know how much of that has changed, if at all, now that Ryan Huska is in the position,

you know, this was sort of smoke that was gathering late last week. But that would be really tough news for this team to take, given his impact and given, like I mentioned, the scar tissue that exists in this organization, knowing that they don't want to go down that path again. Yeah. Financially, if you're an agent, are you not telling all your guys to wait as long as possible? We only see the players get more leverage and more dollars here. I don't. How much is Elias Lindholm's leverage changing? Probably not that much. Like, the numbers are what they are. Like, he's somewhere in the Larkin-Horvat contract range, 8-5 at the very most 8-7. Like, that comp isn't going to change drastically.

when the cap, even if it increases by $7 million next summer, at some point they're going to go back to those players and say, look, this deal was just signed last year with Dylan Larkin. Love the guy, but he ain't getting more than this. The only reason I say it is that, you know, if a deal isn't done in a week, they can still talk about the deal. If a deal isn't done in a month, they can still talk about the deal. If you're at the deadline and you're in a playoff spot,

do you not see the dynamics changing of a negotiation? Well, I don't think it's ever going to get to that point. Okay, so you're saying he's signed. You're traded by camp? I think it's like signed or traded by like draft week. I really don't see them messing around with this at all. Maybe I'm misreading the situation and there's been no clear edict. But I think there's a number of teams that are sitting here.

I think Austin Matthews, you know, not to build it a bridge too far, but I think there's real pressure on the Leafs to try and want to get him done before July 1st, before that no trade clause kicks in. I think in this case, you want to have a real good answer. There's two trading periods in the NHL. That's it. It's now or it's at the deadline. And if your mission and mandate is to be a playoff team next year,

you don't want that hanging over your head. You don't need that issue. And you certainly don't want to be in a spot where you're like, do we cut the legs off of our team in March? Because we have to trade this guy and get something for him. isn't that well it is what it is but that's the fear for the flames and fans and us is that it's more of a lint home decision than anything a hundred percent right it's it's always been a lindholm like even even talking about the hannifin thing to me i i think you move if

you move them all you're going to try and do is fill that that spot on the roster again but the issue is it's less about what you want to do and more about what Hanifin wants to do. It's asset management. Yeah. Totally. That's how contracts work though. I mean, it's a two-party deal. Yeah. The thing, the other thing I see with

that is Conroy might have a vision for this team and that vision might be let's keep those guys and go for the playoffs again. But I'd, if you're moving those pieces because you don't want to, because you're getting good value and good return, of course, it's a,

Does that mean the rest of this team you're going to try and move? Like, if they move those two guys, I don't know how they're competing for a playoff spot. Well, again, to go back to Booms question, we don't know how that's all going to work out in the sense of if they are moving them. How much of it is it for now and how much is it for the future? That that's where you sort of, can you serve both masters at the same time? I think it's hard, but I think it's possible. And I think if you want to look at a good recent example, it's the St. Louis Blues.

Like, look at what they're going to do this summer with their picks. They've got, I think, 1, 28 and 31, something, or not one. Their other pick is like in the 10 or 11 range somewhere around there. I don't have the board in front of me. But the point being they have three first round picks. They're going to keep the first one and select the player for their future. and then they're going to trade those other two late round picks, and they're going to get something for right now.

And it's going to be something decent and worthwhile and a core piece that they can use for right now and beyond. So can the flames do that? It's a tightrope to walk, and the best laid plans that Craig Conroy may have had heading into this position and all of the optimism that may have flowed from that, knowing this is a good team that underachieved last season,

you may want to bring all those players back. And in fact, I think his plan is to push to try and bring all those players back. But as you said, it's a two-part issue and they have to want to be back, which is why Craig Conroy said the first question he's going to ask is, do you want to be a Calgary Flame? And I think that's the best question to ask and such an important question to ask. Because if you're like, oh, I don't know, maybe kind of, let's see it's six months from now don't you have your answer uh yeah sorry go ahead red no i'm agreeing with frank i think

you do i just it's it's fascinating i don't know if there's a team in the nchel that's had more major pot holes to navigate over the last 12 months or maybe yeah it's 14 months well i think that's accurate for sure and it's uh it's 10 25 and 29 the fix to st louis So another example, Frank, is Vancouver. They move Horvath for a first and immediately turn that into Philip Peronic. They're not getting youngerness. They keep a player rather than wait four years to watch a kid develop, right? But now look at the spot that the Canucks have backed themselves into.

Yeah. I'm not saying it's good. They should have been moving cap space. They end up with more spent than they originally had. Yeah. We've talked about it a little bit here, the last, because you go back a year ago, a little less than. It's the sign and chariot with Florida with the Cichuk deal. And is this going to?

this the new on vogue thing where you get the extra year and the other that's all part of the negotiation it makes sense for the team that's trading the guy and if you're the team that really wants them you're okay spending the dough and giving up something to get them are we in the new era of the sign and trade um i would say what we're in the new era of i'm going to take it a step back from that and say that really what you're going to see change in a big way is teams do whatever necessary to avoid being in a spot that the Calgary Flames were in with Matthew Kachuk, where he's an RFA with one year to go until UFA free agency, and they have no leverage. You see that right now with Pierre Luke Dubois and Alex DeBrinke.

Two other Canadian teams, one of those players being DeBrinquit, an American-born guy that is like, well, now what? All they have to do is signal to whoever we're not resigning. Not only are we not resigning, but they control the trade market now. We're not going to this team because we're not going to resign there.

Whoever it is, they have full and complete leverage, whereas that's not actually the way that the system was supposed to work. It's supposed to work that you have that leverage one year later in unrestricted free agency that players have found a way to use their voice in a significant manner, which they haven't done previously, to say, I'm out. It's like an NBA style thing. No more, no Moss.

Not coming back here next year. I'm not resigning with you. And yeah, can the team shove an arbitration contract award down their throat? Of course they can and force that player to be back for one year. That's what the Jets could do with Pierre Lou Dubois. I issue him a qualifying offer and say, hey, we're taking you to your. We'll see in the last. lineup here in October.

Doesn't make sense for anyone to do that. No one wants that stink around their team. If you don't want to be here, we'll get you somewhere else. But I think part of the other, you know, push and pull that needs to happen is other NHL teams need to be in a spot where they're willing to pay to get these players out of those positions that the leverage can't totally be gone. And I think that's one thing that the flames did a really good job with last year is, you are getting a damn good, in Kachuk's case,

franchise altering player, you got to pay. I don't care if you think he's going to be in a year, a UFA a year from now. You have to pony up and give us the goods and the flames were able to make the move that they did. Brad was able to do that, right? I'm just thinking out loud.

Burkey years ago when he was with the flames didn't trade, I think I'm trying to do it. Camillary. Camillary. Because he's like, I can't set the standard of giving guys away for nothing. Will there ever be a situation where a team like Winnipeg with DuBlauses does what you said, even though we all know it's not the right thing,

but just to set a standard of we don't, we're not getting bullied here by you. I don't think those days are gone. Those days are over. It hurts the team. It hurts the jets. They're not getting the haul that they could get, right? The players are too good.

But it also hurts the player, right? If the player goes out in his horseshit and doesn't put up... Just to prove a point. He then also hurts himself for the next year, too. I just, I don't see a way in which in today's world with social media and the constant news cycle, how many times are people going to be at every stop that player goes through the whole season? It's like, hey, why didn't do why? Why did this happen this way?

It just becomes a thing, a headache, a cloud that no one needs. And more to the point. point like honestly and and red i don't know if you agree with me or not good on the players for speaking up and saying you know what i'm out i like it and i don't want anything to do with this anymore yeah i like it and i don't i think there's something special about being able to i think the nchel in any team in the n hl should be held in the highest of regard so that it is an honor and a privilege to be part of that organization on the other hand well you shake your head and what to go play i shake my head because look at a k-a

If you want to maximize your dollar, go ahead. Look at what some of a joke these teams are. You think the Arizona peyote should be held in the same regard as someone else? I don't want to have to do it again, Frank. I don't want to have to do it again. Oh, geez. Wow. By the way, there was some social media controversy about this.

I got like I got tagged by a couple of people. They were like, he didn't actually shush you. Why are you crying? The judge is ruling. We went to New York in Central Command there. What did they say? Yeah. They said the call in the field stands.

You were just. Listen, I was going to fit, but that's, I was going to get to that. I, I believe that the NHL should be held in that regard. Are there teams that F it up and don't treat their guys? 100%. There are circumstances where it should be. But you look at some guys like Fox, Adam Fox, unbelievable. He wanted to go to the Rangers and he ended up there.

I guess that's great. But it's going to. screw up the league if it turns into that everywhere, right? Like if no one ever wants to play in Winnipeg or Calgary. It's only an elite class of player though, right? Like, we're talking to chuck to Brinket

Fox. It's only really star players. You don't think it'll trickle down. Look at what happened with the Oilers when they started signing their young guys to the bigger deals. And now that I guess I'm just saying if you're third line. NFL, was it Eli Manning that refused to go to San Diego? Yes.

Philip Rivers draft, yeah. Okay, so like, why did anyone say, well, like, this could be bad for the league if someone forces their way somewhere? I didn't, I don't remember or recall that conversation then. You're just like, yeah, that guy has a choice. You can go, you can be vilified for it. But Adam Fox backs it up with a Norris trophy.

Eli Manning backs it up with two Super Bowls with the Giants. Like, whatever the conversation, is like it's on you to then go out and perform and have balls the size of a dump truck at the place that you go next. Yeah, it's leverage, guys, isn't it? So you don't give a flying F about any of the fans in those other centers, though. No, that's exactly what they're saying. They don't give an F about any of those fans in Winnipeg, and they don't care.

Pierre Luke Dubot doesn't care how much you hate him and how much you boo him next time through Winnipeg. But okay, well, part of the reason I did, it's not even that I, disagree. The slippery slope of it is that it's not an honor to play in the NHL, and I'm, damn it, I'm owed this. That's a business, right? And isn't there something to that? I just said if you want loyalty, get a dog.

Didn't I say that? Well, that's hard to fucking do, Frank, when you're in a dressing room with 20-some guys. That's not how fucking winning teams perform. Guess what? I don't, if I'm the general manager of one of these teams, I don't want that guy. Get him out of here as fast as. possible. I will find 23 guys that want to be on this team and play for this city. How's it going in Winnipeg? They bring in guys. They bring in talented guys. And now they're just pissed. They're just leaving.

You think you have a plan. I don't know about you guys. And look, you guys all have your own personal situation. But if someone said to me, you got to go do your job tomorrow in Winnipeg. Like, I like when, like, I would go. maybe I'm weird but like if if the situation is right you paid me enough you know whatever like I'm yeah I'm not even thinking twice I'm like I view it the same way you do I'm just saying in the sense of the way this works the truth is you're always going to find 23 players that want to be there you're going to find someone that is a Damon severson who says I want to play somewhere in western Canada. I'm from Saskatchewan.

There's enough of those guys out there that you can still have a good team. It's just a complication of the post in Calgary, in Winnipeg, in Ed, wherever it might be. No one's saying that in Edmonton anymore. Remember of the Milan-Luchich contract? We were like, holy shit, what a deal this was.

They had to overpay to get a guy to put down boots in Edmonton and say, I want to be here. No one says that anymore. It's not the, Edmonton didn't get any nicer last time I checked. Like, yeah, they got a new arena. There's one reason guys will go play in Edmonton and one reason alone.

Bingo. But you get one of those guys in Winnipeg. Yeah, but what if that guy says, I don't want to play here? That's what you're saying is that he's got the right to say, I'm not, it's the Lindrosse thing. Well, like, it worked out. I was on the cup. Yeah.

It's okay there. Look at. Fires won the cup with Lindros. didn't they, Frank? Didn't the flyer? Oh. But look at that trade again. Oh, it's one of the most one-sided trades of all time.

Peter Forsberg alone was better, never mind the rest of that package, yeah. The fact that, yeah, the Nord's won a cup. They just happened to do it in Denver. That's sad. They wouldn't have won that cup if that stupid Patrick Waugh hadn't demanded a trade. I see it all comes back to him getting screwed in 96, right? They should have seen it comes.

Do you think Colorado winsack? They don't get through Detroit if they don't got. Patrick Waugh. Why did no one even interview Patrick Waugh for a head coaching opening? Well, he resigned today. Does it fit in Ottawa make sense? I think it was you and others that suggested some of these ownership groups have been having conversations with GMs and coaches.

So a source says that the one of the Sends bidders had reached out to Wa in the last 10 days to gauge his interest on the Sends. I just haven't been able to connect the dot yet as to whether, the Michael Anlauer group was that one that reached out to Patrick Waugh. But, I mean, it feels like he's accomplished everything that he can in the queue. That team's going to be really young next year in Quebec. I just, what more does he have to prove? He's already won a Jack Adams as NHL coach of the year.

He's got four Stanley Cups, three consmites as a player, and has now gone and filled his trophy case on the coaching side. I get the stink that was around him from the way it ended in Colorado, the abrupt exit, the wrestling back and forth on player personnel decisions. But damn, this guy that watched the fire at the Memcup that burns within him to win, like, sign me up and put that guy on my bench and I'll deal with all of the other bullshit after the fact. Do you want him standing behind you if you're a player with that fire coming out of his friganeers?

I'd want to win. I'll tell you that. Yeah. Same with all the hard guys, right? I want to ask you one more question because my concern is with the flames at this point. If you're, if

what and is there a market for Cadre or Hubert? And the only reason I'm asking this is if Hanifan and Lindholm say we're not interested in coming back. Does that

open up to floodgates to and if the return you get isn't going to make your team better is that are we going to go completely can Conroy go the scorched earth the scorched earth policy and he I mean yes the answer is yes I don't

I this flame it always comes back to ownership this flames ownership group has never had the appetite to go scorched earth and I think they're way too far down the track with Huberto and Weeger to really even you can't even never really bottom out, I don't think.

No, I'm saying to Hubert O too. Can you trade all four of those guys? You can't trade Jonathan Huberto right now. That's okay. And until Cadre looks like Cadry, there's still six years left for a guy that I think's 34 in camp. I don't know that you could trade Weager right now. You'd have a, I think you'd have a tougher.

He came around a lot, Frank. The last three months of the season, he was significant. I was, no one was harder on him than I was when. they signed him and brought him in and tried telling me he was a top pairing to pair your defenseman. I'm like, well, I don't know what the hell you guys are watching. He came a long way for the last part of the end. Yeah. So it's seven years times six to five.

You don't have to go complete. McKenzie Weger's not going to keep you from finishing last or in the bottom five. Do you know what I mean? And I don't even know if that's. No, but the three of those guys together, Weiger, Eubertoe, and Cadre probably do. And Markstrom. if he bounces back. I was going to say,

Marciaum can do a lot of things in the stands. You've seen that last two years. As, as, the point of the question was, I was actually curious if you believed there was, even a market for Cadre and Huberto at this point. There's not, I don't think there's a market for Huberto, but there potentially could be a market for Cadry.

I mean, we kick it around. You always hear it again. Is this hockey people? Is this executive's talking about it? It's the Hubert Ode to Montreal with Landiscaug out in Colorado. Could you use a center back there, a guy that won a cup? I don't know what kind of taste he left in their mouths when he left out of there. I'm like you, Frank, I find it hard to believe.

Just the term and the dollars. And then for the flames to have to sweeten the deal for the teams to take them, plus have to eat money in some way, shape, or form. There's that tipping point where is it, where does it not make sense? You're just cutting your nose off despite your face. Yeah, and the one thing that'll solve all this is the cap going up quickly into a very high number, and we still don't have clarity on that, Frank, and I feel like that's hanging over this whole off season. Like, if you're trying to trade a guy, teams have no idea how much caps fix they have right now.

That's got to get done in the next two weeks. Yep, it does, and I don't have any indication that they're any further along and hammering it out. There's so much I wanted to talk to you. You know, I think a lot of this, some of this will sit for a week. I think we can get to shelved it a bit? We can shelf it until next week. So when do you guys get to Nashville? It's a quick in and out for us

because I think it's kind of like Vegas for me. If I'm there more than four days, I'll die. Quick in and out. Pinder, that's all you've ever known. Yeah. I'm not going to fight you here. It's a Tuesday to Friday type of a deal, I believe. Tuesday to Friday. Wow.

We're going to miss the awards gala, which is devastating for both of us because we love seeing professional athletes read off teleprompters while hungover. It's going to be a great. I was more concerned that you're going to miss the team dinner on Sunday night. So. Team.

Yeah, that's a shame. Tis. My budget just got bigger on the wine bill, though, so thank you. That's good to hear. And what, what, 5 a.m. pizzas? Is that what we can expect? After the high kicks. Got to reload.

Some high kicks in? See, I'm in the process now of scheduling some IVs for the week. So I just wanted to know when I could pencil in Pinder for Wednesday morning. Red has done the Nashville IV circuit. He's the guy you need to talk to for sure. You got a guy? It's not hard to find now. I think you could get, I think you could get the IV while you're rolling down the middle of Broadway.

One of those pedal pub things. That'd be awesome. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. I'm not kidding. I'm actually scheduling those right now. So if you want in, get me up after the show.

Text after the show. Text me sandwich though. Red, are you coming? U.S. dollars. I've got to see where I'm going to be. I'm driving back from here, I think on Monday or. Tuesday, so I'm undecided. Or like, how much more do we need to tell you if you get this?

Frank, he will know within a day or two of him arriving or not arriving. He was here last week. He said, when are you leaving? How long are you here to us until I leave? Like one day notice he was coming, less than a day notice he was leaving. That's how he lives. It was old school, Frank. I got home and the shoveler was a little early flight from San Diego.

Oh, my gosh. I got more questions asked. Shelble up to Nashville. It'll fit better there. Yeah. Was the second dad there when you got there or no? Touchy situation. There's a lot of things going on in there.

Awkward for sure. We'll talk off there. All right, pal. We'll talk to you in a week. Sounds good. There you go. Frankservalley, our NHL Insider with Daily Faceoff, the presentation of Bontan Meat Market.

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It's Alberta. It's at Calgary. We can't do it just yet. But we'll figure out our plans for the weekend coming up. I'm frightened. And the reason I'm frightened is because we've discussed this with junior hockey, kids get drafted and they don't have say where they're going. And on one hand, you're going, how the hell can this be?

and then on the other hand, well, these teams have to have to have a path and a way to get players and fill rosters and have success and they can't bid for guys. I'm just worried that because I see it with kids already. The entitlement is astounding. And it comes from parents and it comes from minor teams, like youth hockey program. We want to give you the world. kids moving in Ontario to different cities and they're to play on different teams and people

paying for their rent and the homes. I want the players to have their rights and the ability to earn a living and treat it as a job, but I also want the game to have the respect of this is the NHL. It should be an honor. Yes, it's a business, but it should be an honor and a privilege to play there. And when you take that away And it only becomes business, you're going to lose that heart,

that desire, that passion that we so desperately crave while watching games during the regular season. It's going to go away, and it's going to become robotic and boring and monotonous. And we're not going to like it as much. And I just, I'm very fearful of that.

Yeah, a lot of people said that happened in the mid-90s and with lockouts and things like that. Like at some point, you're not a mom and pop shop, you're a $5 billion business. And look, if you're a lawyer, ret, none of these things exist. No law firm stands up on a podium and says your name and gets to control you until you're 27 or have seven years of service.

Other sports, the draft isn't a thing. I think what you're talking about's already happened in a lot of ways. And psycho sports parents have been around a long time, and it's not just hockey. I'm sorry, they have been operating as if they're, contractors since they're 12 and 14, why are we expecting to not act like contractors? They are. I get it. Like there's something nostalgic and lovey about it, but like a lot of these owners are dicks

and these teams aren't nice to people. Like, I'm sorry, it's business. Do you think it has changed or is it just because we are now so much more privy to hearing about it? You know, okay, Kachuk comes out because you think about the Adam Fox thing. Maybe you don't hear about that before. Maybe you don't hear that Kachuk, ah, I, I, I'm not going to sign, so I'm going to give you a list of teams and then you can make a trade.

Because I don't think it's been a case where everybody was happy to be in the place they were in because they were just so thrilled to have an NHL job. I just wonder if it's become more acceptable for it to be common in public knowledge now. I think that's a good point. Like in the mid-90s, you watched all the great flames at 1 in 89 ask out of town. And I mean, that hurts, but it was like salaries were rising quickly. It was a business. Their agents said they're not offering you market rate.

get the hell out of here, ask for a trade. I mean, it's just the numbers are bigger, the spotlight's bigger, the media covering is more. And to your point, we know more about it. When someone like Doug Gilmore or Al McKinnis or Gary Souter, Gary Roberts, like the list goes on, all those guys said, I'm out of here. That was 25 years ago. It doesn't make me happier.

No, but it's like it's not new. That's my only point. It's 30 years ago. And we were, I was going to add to, we'll talk about it next week because I don't know. But you see what's happening in Winnet. It's 100%. So I, I, 100% disagree with Pindro. that. Daryl Sutter didn't get run out of

dressing rooms in the 90s. Neither did the assholes. For sure. The players are different. That's the point. But they've always, it's not like this, this nostalgic love of the game.

Like, where was that when Doug Gilmore wanted out? Was it way stronger? Was it the same? Like, I understand that you have to, these are different people, but there's always been this like, I have to do what's best for me, and I'm sorry, I went out of here.

That's been happening forever. Four of those guys that I just, list that didn't ask out of Calgary. Like, I guess Gary Roberts, I probably... Don't be a asshole pender. No, I mean, Gary had... You'd be a dick about it. I'm not trying to be able to... I have a fucking respect for the game and you're just... It's business.

No, no, I'm not discounting your respect. I... I... You, I do see your respect for the end. The point you're making is you have respect for it. What I'm saying is that sometimes we get so caught up in the now that we feel like all of this is so new and outrageous, but to

Booms' point, we just didn't hear about guys asking out in 1992. That's all. So you followed up with you're a fucking idiot, Warner comment? Is that an absolute approach to? I don't know why you always turn to that when I provide a counterpoint. Well, I'm sorry about my tone. Is that what you interpreted, boom, that I said, Red was an idiot at the end?

Sorry of breaking up. Yeah, exactly. You're absolutely right to feel of those things. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just providing a different perspective. Okay. Damn internet. It's a problem with this internet stuff. Can you guys hear me? Check one too.

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Boys, we start with Ryan Huska yesterday as we've talked about. Here's a nice little anecdote about, well, him growing up in the power of the NHL. a dream coming true yesterday in many regards. Here's how he grew up thinking about the Calgary Flames. Didn't know there was going to be some alumni here. So I'm going to go off my original plan for one quick story. Thank you guys in the back for being here. When I was eight years old, our team, minor hockey team in Trail,

won a contest to have breakfast with members of the Calgary Flames. And Colin Patterson and Joel Otto were the two guys that I got to at eight years old have breakfast with and something I've never forgotten. And then you spin it forward. We had a dad's trip a few years back. And Colin was on that trip telling jokes. And, you know, just really made me aware of how strong and powerful the alumni of this team is. And it's something that I've never forgotten from eight years old.

And seeing these guys back here is a pretty cool thing. Elsewhere, we heard this was interesting on systems, guys, and I want you to react to this. He sat down with the flames in-house crew to talk about more X's and O. knows than we heard in the main press conference. Volume and zone time that we worked on a lot over the last number of years, that's what wins. Now it's our job to find a way to create better quality chances the same way as I'm saying, we have to give up less quality chances on the other end of the ice. So we have to tweak things to touch to make sure that we're more committed to getting inside on the offense,

making the connection between our forwards and D that much stronger. So our D-Men have the trust and the ability to be more active and move around to create tougher coverage for teams to be able to play against us. And I think by us being able to do that, we're going to get a few more grade A chances. But the shot volume and zone time, zone time in particular is hugely important because you can wear teams down. And if you're always having the puck and making them have to try to defend you for most of the night, makes it difficult on them. So that's something that's still going to be there. It's just a matter of tweaking and finding a way to get a few more dangerous looks for our team as well. So any thoughts on that, you know, we kind of brushed over that earlier, the shot quality versus quantity at both ends.

He's had a very good seat for five years to see the mistakes and the great plays and all of that. I do trust that he sees it. It still comes down to that there's the want and desire that you need to get to that area that he's talking about. there's the smarts and all of that because there was a lot of nights where whether it was a power play or whatever it was just little it seemed like it was little things where it's like god like like he like he had the conroy had said how do that guy get wide open or you had said how are they giving up a breakaway that it feels like that's by nchl level that's that's that's fundamental stuff that you should have have nailed down i i have no i have no doubt that the guy knows his shit he was a respected junior coach

he coached in the American League. He's been here. I think he has the know-how. It's now can the players read it and react to it, put it into action? Do we remember his, this isn't going to be his NHO coaching debut, guys, as a head coach. Do you remember his head coaching debut? Yeah. Daryl was coming through the 14-day protocols after they fired Jeff Ward. He wasn't eligible to get behind a bench in that crazy, what, 56-game Canadian division

shitstorm of a season where they didn't trade geo-rent? And Ryan Husko went 0-1-1. I believe one of the ones was an overtime loss to the Ottawa senators. I'm correct. You're bringing up such great memories today. I know, yeah. Just such fond memories. And Dean, because I'm an asshole and I argue with everyone with bad tone, you're wrong.

He has played one game of the NHO with Chicago. That's right. So he's got 40 minutes on Kron there, I guess. Take shots at everyone while I'm going, right? Cron. He hasn't, his name hasn't been in this conversation. hasn't been brought up in months and you haul them out to just throw them right under the tire tracks. Tonight's game five in Vegas, Florida, on the ropes.

We wanted a good series. It's becoming difficult. Becoming difficult to see a long series here with Vegas on home ice. And to be fair, I think out playing Florida for the vast majority of the series. Here's what we wonder about Florida as well. Will they be missing Matthew Kachuk? Well, it looks like there's been some extra skaters working pretty hard to get back in that lineup. And, do you know, like, do we care? Is it curtains already? He missed a bunch of time before a couple late shifts, if I'm correct.

Yeah, he missed some time there. And he was out at the end of that game. But it looks like he's got one arm going. They've also got, they're banged up and they're down in the series. It does feel like just respectfully let it end kind of a thing. It's in Vegas. Just let it come to an end. It's been a great run for Florida. It's too bad if it does go out with a bit of a whimper, but we have not had a ton of compelling hockey for about a month now.

Round three was really kind of lopsided, even though Rod Brindamore would disagree. And there has been stretches where this has been close. Obviously, he had an overtime game in that, but by and large, Vegas has looked far more composed than the team to beat. Uh, okay, senators have been sold. This is, uh, if I told you a couple of years ago, that the Sends would sell for around a billion dollars, American Dean. Well, not even, right? We were doing this show. I remember sitting in, in the students, like, they're not going to get a bit, like a billion dollars for the Ottawa senators.

Like, well, you get a bidding war and next thing you know. So, uh, downtown land sitting there staring at you, waiting for a new rink. Congrats to that guy. the billionaire that owns 10% of the haves that he'll now have to sell. So if the cents are worth around a billion, we're vaguely throwing numbers out there, what's his 10% of the Canadians worth? 2 billion? Eby, Stevie.

No, it's not Evie Stevie, but we know the habs are worth way more than Ottawa, right? If the haves now were 2 billion? This is wild. At least, right? Yeah. Crazy. And then Jayfresh had this lovely thought on the senator's sales process as well.

How can they possibly survive without an epic celebrity tied to the team. That was a big thing early. Gary wanted Ryan Reynolds, then Snoop Dogg was there. So this isn't the weekend? This isn't his group or Snoop? It's not the LA superstar famous movies, music people group. I was really hoping

for Snoop Doggy Dog. Well, the Kings and Ducks still have him, I guess, then that's the good news. The greater L.A. still has... You know what we need to get is him from the All-Star game or the awards show? Because we could play that now. In full uncensored glory.

Could we find a clean version? Yeah. No, I want the dirty version. That's what I'm saying. In our new environment, we could let the... Can we get a clean, like, no one's bleeped this yet? If we could find the original. RJ, we got a project for it.

That sounds cool. And then finally there was this from Mike Gold, who's an odd duck that works at Flames Nation, phenomenal work covering you. Why is he an odd duck? Well, because he tweets stuff like this. No one else would find this of something, Mike Gold, that Latvian legend, Artur's Salovs,

who, of course, got them their bronze medal beating the Americans at the World Championship is now signing people's buttocks with a Sharpie. So we could have given you the photo, but this is, you're welcome, Dean. We'll leave it at that. If only we could all have such high levels of celebrity where we could be out and about and signing buttocks.

We will move to the NBA final. How much did you watch last? night. My one kid, I said, okay, if you brush your teeth, your pajamas on, you come down and watch the end. You got to watch the final 30 seconds tick off and then to watch Joker, you know, operate as if he was returning library books not winning a championship. So on Twitter that it was completely lopsided. It's good. It's good. With the job is down, we can go home now. We can go down. It's over, right? He really wants to go home. How many times he was referencing going home? They asked them, oh, are you ready for the parade?

And he's like, oh, when's a parade? Thursday, Thursday. I can't go home till Friday? I got to go home. I just want to go home. I like that guy. Yeah. Well, there's more from him because he looked pretty docile there.

But he's still behind closed doors, even with cameras, there's a little more fired up with the Canadian Jamal Murray here. Actually, you know, we'll start with him celebrating. He's still subdued here. So they weren't playing at a high efficiency level. That's not how you would have. Yeah. Spray champagne.

Come on. This is an open. This is really a waste of a beverage, guys. Why don't we just drink this stuff instead of spring? We don't waste the champagne. We drink. It's very level-headed. And then this with Jamal Murray, the Canadian, who was crying and had a phenomenal

postseason again after coming back from big injuries earlier in his career. Yeah, they had fun in the old pool. I think the seven-furt. quarters won in this one game or are you taking the other guy? That was only ending one way. So Denver wins. Five games. Nice little run for Stan Cronky, their owner. Of course, he owns the Colorado Avalanche and the L.A. Rams and Sofai Stadium and Arsenal.

Yeah, he's a lot of money zillionaire. Finally caught a break. That's nice. I like to see that. I'm proud of him. We will move to the U.S. Open where it's back to work for Nick Taylor. where he with a practice round with fellow Canucks, Corey Connors, McKenzie Hughes

and Taylor Pendrith today, lots of Canucks in the field at the U.S. Open, Dean. L.A. Country Club. Fancy pants. You know what they've been doing there? Make it an impossible for golf. Let's watch them drop this golf ball on the left side of the fairway, which is a bit of a hill. It's slanted a bit, Dean.

So let's say your drive lands right there. Watch them go. That's across the fairway, not towards the hole, not towards the T-box. That's taking you through the fairway laterally and yeah it's going to end up in the rough that's good make those pricks work yeah maybe just turn the fairways into marble floors they're getting all this saudi money now go get it go on it boys it is the u.s open don't land in the fairway just go in the rough like the rest of us show seriously welcome welcome this is the and this is the tournament the u.s open where

the scores start to look like golf that we've seen not like nine under rolling in 72 footers but like I've done that out of the grass. Boy, that sucks. Oh, he's still in the trap. Oh, geez. Yeah, screw those guys. Humiliating the best. That's the U.S. Open's policy.

Finally, a couple items for you. First off, what do we have here? Number 98. I'm trying to remember what we labeled this one. Oh, Alberta used to be great. Make it great again, Dean. What happened to all these epic water slides? Yesterday it was hot.

My kids were saying, what's the story with water slides? Look at this is on Twitter. Yeah. Do you remember? when there was epic water slides were what near wind sport there was it wild rapids something like that yeah it's before like it's before my alberta time there was sylvan lake had one right yeah and it was i mean it was what are people why are we not doing these anymore would did you not want to do this yesterday when it was plus 32 and you left your house well i think there is probably about three weeks of

weather out of the 52 where you could use a water slide or a water park in alberta i i just wonder if it's profitability more than anything else. Yeah. I need that Andlauer to buy some water slides out here for us. Yeah, come on, Dick. Maybe the new rink will have water slides in it. That'd be nice. Yeah, lots of budget there, I guess.

And finally, I don't know if this is Ozzy Brad or not, because we knew we had trigger the dog. But this is not a dog, but this isn't Aussie, I believe. Let's go to the footage down under, mate. Cute dinner date. I try it with the sauce brach. Trust me, you'll like it. I believe this is a possum thing?

Is that an opossum? Do you like it? Yeah? Or is that some Aussie... Chase horse. It's not a koala. Tasty. Tasty.

Thank you. Could be Aussie, Brad. He sounds like he's in one. Is that trigger? Hey, bro. Is that... What's the name of his dog? Trigger.

Yeah. Yeah, so... I don't know. Cheese on fries if you have a possum. I feel like that's that's got rabies for sure I was gonna say no double dipping with that guy that's not double dipping gross so did that's your Penderport did Rick get called by the flames what's going on here I'm not sure I have a good idea what happened but too bad your internet cut out there yeah we could have used a

mediator at one point and you decided not to and just oh sorry what's that Dean are you there well I'll explain to you in a moment village Honda Northwest Auto Mall your dealership for life paying top dollar for your vehicle they got a million bucks to used vehicles and load up their lot. It's great news for everybody. Sell them your vehicle. You get a tropical cruise to two. You go to Village Honda.

They got the used cars. And if you're selling the cars, hey, a little cash in your pocket as well. VillageHonda.com, your dealership for life up in the Northwest Automol. No, I think it's, I don't want to do,

as a host of a thing, you know, when you're radio or television, you kind of back away. You kind of let things breathe. and you let things kind of go. That felt like a, I'm going to let this play out kind of a thing. And it did. Yeah.

Yeah. Which is interesting because I have a video now and I had labeled this as, before we play it, so just hang on. I had labeled it as, like it's Pinder and Boomer, but it might be something different today based on what happened. Somebody on social media, I think it was Instagram, sent me this video and they said, I don't know, something to the effect of, I don't know why, but this, this just made me think of you and Pinder, and it did strike a crazy. Yeah, that's very good. So apropos of nothing. This has absolutely no basis on anything other than somebody sent it on social media. Now, you could maybe insert Warner in place of Boomer, but this is Boomer and Pinder. You can, you can pick which one

is which and whom is who based on how this plays out. Is he playing chop chop, timber here? I don't know what he's doing. It's just... Natural. Oh, fuck, gosh.

So I'm the... I'm thinking I'm probably the hairy, heavy otter. Is that what that is? That's too big to be an otter. That isn't an honor. I think you would be the... The gorgeous duck there. Yeah, very lean.

Is that a beaver? Look at the chompers on it. It could be a beaver. I can't see the tail. A flapper? on the bottom? Where's the tail? Yeah, tight, tight shot, tight shot. So anyway, there you go. That's, uh, like I say.

No real sports tie in, but that's all right. That doesn't hold us back. I was going to say, is that, where has that been an issue before? Talk about fucking bologna for an hour. Oh. God. Don't do it. It's already 1134. Oh, man. Don't save it. We got a full show tomorrow. No. No, but see, there's that. Why? Come on. Jack. Just say no.

Oh, I, it was the day we were talking about. I had to stop at the old, that super store. It's super there. So super. And they had the, the baloney, like the big chunks, like on special. I was like, oh, my God, am I going to come home with a big hunk of bologna? I'm like, no, I need to pace. I have to have some bologna pace because I have a feeling Keller at Bontan.

He's on board. People have been talking about bologna. It could be the summer of baloney, a baloney summer. And apparently that's a South American capybara. Oh, is it a capyberra? You're like, well, yeah, that's obviously whatever the hell of capyberra is. Okay, yeah, which is different than the Cuccaberra. Correct, yeah, Cuccoboro would be.

It sits on the old gum tree. Mary, Mary, Mary King of the Bush is he. Laugh, Cucabara, laugh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, Peter Klein and McLeodagh, La. personal injury guy but did you know that he's also the go-to guy in Calgary for your disability insurance claim if you if you're if you're in a situation and your long-term disability insurance company is refusing to pay insurance benefits to you that you deserve contact peter he will get involved he will get you the disability but the benefits that you deserve and paid for he'll get

you your peace of mind and he will be he's got your back McLeodlaw has your back they're on your team and help you get that peace of mind that you deserve and paid for. So for McLeod Law, a little this day in Flames history, and it's not so much an event that took place, but it's a birthday today of one of the young guns. Oh, yeah. I don't know. This is kind of, this is peak young guns. Peek young guns.

Danny Goce was a young gun. Derek Morris was a young gun. Yeah, he proceeded it a little bit, as you'll see in one of the highlights. But congrats and happy birthday to Valerie Burray. who was born on this date in 1974. Originally, I should say, a second round pick of Montreal in the 1982 entry draft. Played parts of four seasons in Montreal,

but then, as you see, comes to Calgary, and his, it doesn't explode, but his career really starts the blossom. Scouts a goals here. Burray and a fourth round pick, which the flames used to selects Sean Sutter, in exchange for Zarlie Zalapski and Jonas Holgland. Hoagland?

Buret played the final 16 games of that 97-98 season, and then three more in Calgary. We can take a look there, Jack. You can press play. 256 games. 93 goals. Career high, 35 of them in 99, 2009-2000. 392 points.

as as miserable as the young gun era was I could score that was although that one kind of tank job there did look like there was some child labor issues but he was of age

don't be fooled with the baby face that's true then the flames traded him to Florida along with the weem dog right there in exchange for Rob the Baud Niedermeier.

Oh, that's the wrong, Niedermeier. Dean. And a second round pick. I'll tell you who they selected it with that second round pick. Don't. Okay, good. So there's Flurry and Burray. And then, of course, Flurry left. And the young guns were born.

Candice Cameron, right? Well, I think it's the only Russian player to come to the NHL or his wife is more famous than he was. Now that goal there, look at the, look at the decoy set up from Dwayne Hay. Who's going to the, hey, just go to the back post. Go to the firepost, stick in the ice. Look at them. Oh, you're going to shoot and not pass. Well, I'm happy for you anyway.

Bernie or Oscar? That's awesome. So there you go. Born in 74 in this date, former flame, Val Burray. Val highlights, good for you. Yeah. Yeah, my buddy's famous celebrity interaction, Candace Cameron, was here to watch a game,

and he was just so delighted to be hammering his chips with the cheese sauce. Oh, no, tell me, no, but walked right into her cheese sauce all over the shirt. Oh, dear. That's awful. Poor Candace was not impressed. Ugh. So the second round pick, so it's Burray and Weamer to Florida for Niedermeyer in a second. Yeah.

They use the second. on Andre Medvedev. You may not remember Andre Medvedev. Or Russian bear, no? Because he, well, he's Russian. He played I was the Russian bear. That was the Russian bear.

No, this is the fat goalie. Played for Russia three times at the World Juniors. I remember watching the one performance. He was in for warm up and then just skated to the bench, hopped up on the top of the dasher board by the water bottles on the bench, just sat there and waited for warm up.

up to be over. He was done. This guy had the Nick Richie Furnace face times 10. It was, uh, he was he was the red one. Yeah, he was listed at six one two hundred and forty nine pounds. That's very and at that time it was like two forty nine. I mean, he's, that was months ago, years ago that he was two forty nine. Uh, played two pro seasons in Russia, 21 games in all four, five and just hung him up at the age of 22. You could say a failed second round pick. Yeah, you could. Yeah.

So not a great this day in Flames history all around. But, hey, Felberry. Good memories of Val. Valbury. How do we like that Zalapski deal? You want to walk us through that one again? Jonas Hogan was a good hab, for sure. Zarli Zalavsky, rest in peace.

He was a dynamic guy, for sure. You just were waiting for him to really break through NBA superstar because he had all those tools and he was amazing to watch. To shoot it a bit. Yeah. But, yeah, too bad. Zarlie Zalapski was one of the guys back in the radio days, kind of came through the rotation as a potential co-host. Were you there for that?

No. This would have been with Rett being one of the potential guys as well. So that predates me because it was obviously quite a while ago. but yeah, he had come in. 15 years? Yeah. Spent some time with Z. Or Zed.

Or Zz, plural, if you wanted, I suppose. Country you're from, yeah. This day in flames history, brought to you by McLeodlaw. Call Peter Klein at McLeodlaw. It's MacLeod-Dashlaw.com. They're all on social media at McLeodlaw, LLP. There's the phone number, 403, 254, 3864.

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If you're watching that hockey game tonight. Yeah. Maybe. Just maybe you want to go to Madrose Pub. Maybe that's what you want to do today. Maybe you want to go and what you're going to notice is when you're walking in, And it's like, is that, is that the new patio? Is the patio open?

Well, yes, yes, it is. Open, ready for business. Madrose Pub. I like to think some of it's on us, but I think that there's a lot of people talking about Madrose. They've been doing a good job long before we started talking about. It's probably partly of them. I'm just glad that we can all, you know, enjoy their great food and.

The great food, the good staff, the atmosphere and all that. Drink specials. I'll take a small, I'll take a little small. Small credit. 20 beers on tap. Kid friendly Saturday, Sunday, Monday. And the food is top floor. It is what separated them from your regular run-of-the-mill pub.

And beyond that, it's a beautiful spot. New and the patio, as we said, is brand new. But it is a great spot. Can't wait to get there again. 15 Royal Vista Place. Today's Wing Day. Wings are on special today. So maybe you watch the Vegas Golden Knights hoist it.

Wing, Twicken. delicious wings those delicious wings up at madrose pub um we can do betway and get out of here that way bet's and get on with that i'll start if you'd like fireway boom going with hockey got a couple um for you here Vegas florida i am going to say if there is injuries afoot if kachuk isn't right if uh du claire isn't right if it's Sounds like Barkov maybe isn't right either. And if Vegas can get a lead, hey, let's just win this thing. We don't need to win.

Winning by one or two, we don't need to win by five or six. Penalties maybe go down as the series goes along. I'm going to go under on the five and a half plus 105. And one of their pre-built bets on the Betway app, a Vegas money line win, and Mark Stone to get a point. He has had points in every game. Really? One in game one, one in game two, two in game three, two in game three, two in game four six in the four games so far.

Plus 125 for a Vegas win and a stone point. That's my little pre-built parley bet from the Betway app. Yeah, I like his chance of getting a point better than Michael Stone. Did I say Michael? No. Oh, Mark, better than Michael. Whatever. Mel, Mickey. Hey, Michael Stone was on a tear at the end of the year.

You was. Scoring goals. I'm waiting for the, to see if Kirk Conner has the same drawer in his desk at Bradshaw Livinghead, where every September 28, he pulls out a Michael don't be, yeah, Vegas, Florida, I'm going to take Vegas minus one and a half.

All you need is an empty netter in a close game, or maybe they just are a little bit better tonight. They don't have to hang on by the fingernails we saw in games two and three in Florida. Also, how about this? If they're going to win, these two guys have been awesome, March or so and Ikel.

Plus 550 is a big number, Dean. I understand this isn't highly probable, but plus 550 is a big number. If it does, I'm getting paid politely for it. I like that one. and a half for sure to be that far into the plus with uh it feels like it's over like if they get a

lead and and and you're missing kachuk and there's a lot of guys that aren't right and that crowd's going and i mean it just feels like we know how this is going to end if you're the florida panthers you've seen it three out of four games the one game they won what they needed a miraculous game time goal in the final two minutes three minutes and then overtime like come on now they have not been uh competitive a lot of nights no and Vegas was very good in that that game too they had that totally say till late so well i i do uh i don't like awkward awkward it's hard i i don't know what we should talk about on there and off there it feels like anytime we get in a heated debate he says i'm calling him stupid and i never call him stupid i

don't think he's an idiot i think he's a really smart guy but if i take the other side of something and i'm passionate about my take he feels like i'm shoving something in his face i'm sorry it's tone there is tone you have tone issues yeah i do and i like that's that's the same tone issues i've had for 10 years working with this guy and to be fair i've taken a lot of shit and i don't walk on a show i've been i was for four years i got fucking stomped on by you guys but i understood that was good for the show and i could be a pro no see there that's again some of that tone okay it was the tone it was kind of the tone, yeah. It's tone, and then there's always a little bit over the top right at the end. There's always a little bit of a kind of, and clunk, a little whack-a-mole on top of it all.

Sorry, Brent Cron. Yeah, see, like that, there was no, it was completely egregious and gratuitous. No need for any of that, but there it is. Well, oilers suck. Dig up, stupid. See you to more, buddies.