Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - FlamesNation Barn Burner: Flames Drop a 2-1 Decision in Motown

Episode Date: February 10, 2023

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Hey, look, it's the Friday show. It's boom, it's Pinder. It's the Rettster from his kitchen table, the home studio. Oversupped. The Rester 44 on your Twitter. You oversupped. I oversupped, Dean, and it's a sad thing to have happen. I'm feeling bogged down by all the barley I've consumed from my hamburger soup recipe.

What kind of barley are we using some pot barley, some pearl barley? That's a pot barley. Pot barley. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's delicious. It really is. If you're making soup and you're not putting in the pot barley, you're doing it wrong.

Just so you know. So good. Here we are Friday Tower Chrysler Studios. A reminder, take those winter clothing items, hats, mitts, tukes, jackets, anything warm, take it to Tower, right in the showroom. They're going to fill up brand new Dodge Ram,

take it to the mustard seed at the end of the month, and somebody, every time you put some stuff in, you take some stuff in, they're going to put your name in a draw, and you'll win a nice prize at month's end. It is February. It's nice out, but remember, we are not out of the woods,

and let's help out the mustard seed. 100%. Good stuff there. Now, my math, we've established, not ideal. Not great. If you can hand off or delegate, that's a good leaders too. I just have a math department.

You don't have a math problem? Just, this one, I'm going to give it an attempt because I feel like it's really kind of... Okay. We've done 10 afterburners. We let afterburn this last night. We've had 10 after burner programs.

An eighth of the season, yeah. The Flames have won twice. They've won twice. And one of them was they needed overtime against the last. place team in the league. It was Columbus on that night on Johnny Return night. They have one regulation win in 10 afterburner games. I was disheartened yesterday, Dean. I was very disheartened by everything that's happening. Well, I heard you pull, I heard you pulled the plug on on the show.

You were so upset about it. You just bailed. I'm breaking up. I got to go. Going down, I can't tell my wife I love her. I'm going to get some scotch. Technical difficulties from the kitchen or from the basement on Afterburner last night. Bellow. There was a big wind, Dean. There was a big wind.

It was blowing hard here in Beelow. A mighty wind. I don't know why. But in Calgary there aren't a lot of power lines, right? Older neighborhoods are. The new ones, there's not. And given the cities doubled in my life, there's probably not a lot. There is, it's all above ground here.

Power poles left and right. It's, I don't understand why. So it must have blown my internet off the roof. Well, blowing the internet off. Blowing the internet right off the roof. If you would like, you can go to flamesnation.ca. Our Ryan Pike had a post game, his postgame thoughts. and we'll share ours here on this show, which is Barnburner.

In regulation, the Detroit Red Wings, there you have it. They do fall short in the Motor City. Despite some big saves, a gallant effort from Dan Vladar. Which effort? His first loss since November 26th for Dan Vlodar. It's a way back. That's a hell of a run. Ties the franchise record, 13 games with a point, 10.1.3,

and it was not on him last night. Short-handed breakaway early against Villano, that incredible blocker save on the power play chance. I believe that was Perron that gets robbed. Not to mention some other saves, partial breaks. I mean, he allowed two, and both of them were pretty significant

defensive lapses in front of him. He didn't face a lot of volume, but any time Detroit had a shot, it felt like a scoring chance. You know, looking at it now, looking back, this should have been a Markstrom game where he plays well against one goal.

He gets one goal is for offense and they lose two to one. Eric Francis sports net, his math, they are now 12, 9, and 10 in one goal games. Remember they're going to get good at this? This is good for them in the playoffs, right? We keep hearing that? Yeah. We also kind of said that the things that were happening to the flames before American Thanksgiving and then after American Thanksgiving and before Christmas and then after New Year's

and All-Star game, that it was all going to come together. The things were going to find a way. It was going to iron. Jonathan Hebrose not regressing into the point-per-game player he was been for the last half decade. Do you notice that? Maybe his worst game is a flame last night. I have him in my notes.

There were two players last night not to register a shot on net. One was Milan Luchy. Which is fine. I mean, not ideal. The other, Jonathan Huberto. In fact, he was the only flame not to register a shot attempt. 16 minutes and 14 seconds of ice time. Three minutes of power play time.

Zero shots. He's a ghost. Don't even bring it up. Well, he doesn't care. He doesn't. He's not happy. He clearly he's not happy.

He's not playing the same way. He's got no emotion. He's not. To say he's a spade of spade. He doesn't want to be here. I mean, I think he doesn't care about right now. He does not give an F about this team.

I'm sorry. He doesn't. Okay. I don't know what he's. Expand, Red. Like that he doesn't care about. If a guy cares about the team,

he goes out and tries. Did you see him trying in the last, yesterday? No. It's not an 18 where all of a sudden you don't know how to play. He had 115 effing points last year. And I'm not even, I'm not blaming him. I think probably it's been sour since about game seven when they. Coach buried him.

Changed all the lines and things went south. Yeah, the coach said he was taking a shit when he was on the training bench. Yeah. This relationship was. He's not responding. Fucked up right from the start when the coach, for whatever reason, did what he did early. And I don't know if Daryl has some long game

where he rounds into form, but it looks like he's ruined an elite offensive player and turned him into a mediocre defender that has no offense. And that's horrifying because that's not what you brought in. And from Jonathan Hubert's point of view, F you. F you, coach. He does have more longevity than the coach,

but both have a lot of term loss. You don't like my game, I'll sit at home and make my 10.5. Thank you very much. Like, what are we talking? about it's it's a shitty thing but that's how the game is nowadays the players have clout if darrell wants to run him out of town go ahead thank you can probably he'd be like yes please you can get me out of here if you're not going to play me and use me in a way that i i could be effective i don't want to be here anyway

it's an immovable object that contract does not move it's unbiotable it's all signing bonus money contract in flames history yes it will go down as the worst contract in flames what's that it will go down as the worst flames contract in history of the franchise. As long as it goes like this. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if there was another coach on planet Earth that could get more out of them. In fact, geez, I can think of a few that were in Florida the last couple of years. But I think a lot of issues go right back to Daryl at this point.

And the problem with issues going back to Daryl is that I don't know who has more power underneath the owner in the organization than Daryl right now. He's got a three-year extension in his pocket if what we're told is true. The GM's a lame duck up at the end. of the year. And like what's, where's the temperature level on Daryl's hotsey? This owner hates paying two coaches at the same time.

Like, Daryl's got all kinds of power. And that's not good if you remember how Daryl ran this team as a GM. The nice thing for Daryl's, he can do what Huberto does. F you, send me home. I'm getting paid.

Right? Like it's not, it's shitty for everyone. You want people on trying to prove themselves. That's it. Fat cat sitting back. Oh, don't play me whatever i think we've watched his confidence deteriorate to a point where

jonathan herebyro might not even believe he's a good player anymore and i i does not want to go to the rink why would he right i mean he clearly doesn't get along with the coach the coach has not respected him in iota since he arrived um like i think this is a big issue here because neither of them are going away anytime soon you can't move that contract and darrell has an extension i like how does this end guys? Not well. Dean? I'm waiting.

I'm just... No, I'm... I want you to go. Because I can... There's no... It's impossible to make any other argument. And all I have is Hubert O. Question mark. What has happened? How did we get here?

How do you possibly get out of this? The contract hasn't kicked in. It is fucking nightmare fuel. right now. 5.9 this year, 10 and a half next year. He's overpaid on this contract right now, let alone when it doubles.

What it, aside from just, well, ride it out for eight years and he's overpaid, what happens? How do you fix this? It's broke. He's got skills that we have not seen.

We haven't seen anything close. I'm trying to think, his first game or two, we had that little kind of spin move against the boards and made a backhand, no look past to whoever it was. And he went in and scored, like, wow.

Maybe that was preseason even, I think it was. We've seen no flashes. This is not a guy that's snake bit. This is not a guy that's close to breaking through. No. It's broken from the looks of things. Is he being used in situations where he can be successful? I mean, he was non-existent yesterday, fine.

And then he's not on the power play. Okay, well, he was horseshit. So he shouldn't be out there maybe at the third period on a power play. But has he been put into situation? Was he not playing net front on our power play at one point? They've also switched up the power play. It was coming out of the All-Star break. They're leaving Eubertoe, Codry, and Peltje together,

which means your other unit that has DeFoli and Linholm and someone else might be a better one. I don't know that certainly hasn't worked, but before the All-Star break, it wasn't like the power play was good. You've said it all year. If Lindholm is your best center and Tafoli is your best finisher, you'd love to see Huberto there.

You got a very short runway there. The coach made some snide comments about who Lindholm likes to play with, which I'm sure Elias really liked. And we haven't seen him back there since. You've been calling for it, and we have not seen a line where he's clicked and looked like himself yet.

You know what, though? As I sit here today, I'm not going to prop myself up on get him with Lindholm and things work out. This is something bigger. I'm kind of, I'm with you, Rhett. I don't know that this is something that just give him a different center

or a different, you know, other winger and it's just going to naturally, this feels, let's get everybody in the inner room, let's sit down, let's air this shit out and figure it out. Huberto is better than this. I believe it. It has to be. But we have not seen it for a second.

What we've seen is a guy trying to do too much and put passes through skate holes and stuff that doesn't work. I'm not necessarily on the he doesn't care side. I'm on the, this guy's a shadow of what he was confidence-wise before. I think the coaches played a huge role, but like this is the problem with Daryl. He has his vision and like, is he polling the dome and using his people to say, what are you seeing? Or is it my way or the highway?

Like, we know how this guy rolls. It's a silo he operates in. So you can talk about getting in a room and air it out. Who's setting up that meeting and is Daryl showing up? Oh, yeah. It's a nightmare. It won't happen. Yeah.

But I, I just don't know. I don't know what we're seeing. Well, I was trying to think, has there been a greater fall from grace without an injury involved from a guy who is what, top five in league scoring? Second to second in league scoring. To this, which is. And second in league scoring with 115 points, not a low scoring season. A monster season.

A guy had a random run and got 89 and the other guy at 95 points. It's 115 points. it's a lot of fucking points right and I don't know that you duplicate that every year and that's fine but he's not close he's not a 115 point he's not a 70 point guy

it's tough to imagine about a point per game right now isn't it it's like boy that would be a huge upgrade I don't know if he's got that which is wild you're right it's probably a it's probably a the word he doesn't care is probably a little strong

but he's being forced into I got to believe but he's being forced into not enjoying the game. And by not enjoying the game you care less. Right? Oh, he hates going to the ring for sure. Absolutely hates going to the ring.

You think that Jonathan Huberto's happy to wake up a Buffalo, New York this morning. I have to go to the rink and probably get ripped and deal with that shit and then play tomorrow at noon in Buffalo and then get on a, there's no way. You know what Jonathan Huberto wants to do? Just send me home.

I need a month away from this shit. I just got to get away. Now, when you were asking a question, how do you fix it? Somewhere in the past, you have to go back and find a situation where this has happened to a guy. I don't know who it is, but I'm sure there's some sort of example. What I'd be interesting in finding out, do they get out of it? When this happened in the past, you know, if there's some sort of history that's similar, Did that guy ever come out of it?

Or was it just, he's done, right? I got one. For you. Go ahead. Think about Jeff Skinner in Buffalo. Is that career year, they go on that 10-game heater. It's good. Looks like they're in a playoff spot.

And it's like, okay, we got to extend this guy. We might be a playoff team. He was a free agent coming up to the deadline. It's either trade him or sign him, and they give him the big money eight-year deal. And what happens? He bottoms out. I believe it was crew.

comes in between the coach and the player, he ends up down on the fourth line. He's probably not his best stuff. The coach's system probably doesn't fit well with what he's doing. He's all the way to the fourth line and everyone thinks that's the worst contract in hockey. What's Jeff Skinner done in the last two years under a different coach? He's looked like Jeff Skinner. He's a 30-goal guy that's been fine and Rhett would be able to speak to it more. I view this situation is similar to that. It's not the exact same, but I don't think it's a hard sell to suggest that this player will not succeed under this coach. Hubert O and Sutter.

It's not going to change here. I agree, because I think there's two things. He looks to me, and I know people will say, you're a pro, you're going to all that money, suck it up and be a man and be a pro. The guy looks like he could use a little bit of compassion. I feel like he could use a coach that's not going to fucking smash him over the head.

How about let's put an arm around this guy, figure out away from the rink, at the rink, it's in all of our best interests. Coach, like, if your game improves, we're all better off for it. And like you said, do you talk to somebody? You need a coach that would be willing to solicit advice and then accept that advice. And Darrell ain't that. No. Under this, under this environment, I don't see how any of these pieces fall in unless

Huberto just comes out of it on his own. And he looks like a guy who is, I'm with you. He looks depressed. He looks like he hates the game, doesn't want to be at the rank. He's new in town. Everything's new. He's got to be thinking, how the fuck did I get here? And you can't go hide in Calgary.

No, it's not Miami. You don't leave the rink and people shut up about the game. You fucking leave the rink and it's worse. You can't get a coffee. Now people take pot shots. Now you sit in your effing house because you're like, screw that. I'm not going out, listen to this. No way.

Vicious cycle. So this isn't the only issue of the team, but I think it's the biggest one, given that this is a capped universe this team lives in, given that the coach has term, the player has term, the GM seems like he's got less power, given that his contract's up at the end of the year. I think the organization's ability to troubleshoot this or solve this problem will be the greatest measure

of if they're a good organization or not. This is a massive challenge. We trotted out that number in one. one goal games, 12, 9, and 10. If Huberto is at... It's 31 games. A little over or under a point per game,

you have to believe of those 10 extra time losses, of the nine regulation... How many of those are wins? Dude, how better as your power play? They're a power play goal away from being a totally different spot. They've played one goal games

like more than half the season. What do they play? 54 games. You have 31 of them or one goal games? Holy fuck. And even if you have two, more wins. You're in. You win last night. You're in a playoffs.

You're there. And so it's not like this guy's falling, but it's a major issue that's not going away anytime soon, right? Like they still could win the next two games in this road to be in a playoff spot. They're not impressive. Red said it last night. They're pretty fucking boring. But it's, that's the West doesn't look strong this year. No. And that's, that's, we used to get in shit. Mr. King was right when he told us, you guys, don't tell people not to pay attention and not watch. But they're hard to watch right now because they don't,

they don't, that the Rangers game, how excited were we? Awesome. Yes, thank you. Love it. The best, wonderful.

You can't tell me last night was full effort. Was it, was it complete dog shirt? No. But they weren't 100%. You can, we're good enough fans and hockey people to know when you watch a team, whether they're invested or not.

And too many nights, again this year they have not been invested yep and so it's fine for us to say huberto fix your shit get we got to fix this he was it's not just huberto no no it's just the biggest issue the young kids have been treated awkwardly uh the d is not good enough i mean it's not their fault and i don't know what shillington's deal in that's that's a private affair it's not their fault that he's not back but the d aren't good enough right and there's all lit lind don't their best player, but again, I don't watch him and go, man, he's really invested. Michael Backland on a game to game boat, some days.

Lino's not the best player this year. I'll tell you that. Like, and that's not, who's driving this bus? The battle line. It's Backland or it's, it's a top pair that's hit. And remember, because I had this, I was going to do 20 questions this week and we didn't get to it. This team doesn't have a captain. We're of the belief that the coach has been the captain. He's been the leader. You're Right. Who is driving this bus? Yeah. And honestly, like, it sounds kind of mean, but I feel like Daryl's ego is a big part of not being a, no captain on this team. I think other coaches would give it to the room and let that group run it. I think he wants the power. Is that not exactly everything he is?

You know, he coached here in 04 and turned himself into the GM within a year or two. Right now, it feels like there's a power play going on for all the personnel stuff to do with him. Is that not too strong? It's not technically true because he came in as GM coach. No. He was always. Yes, he did. Yes, he did.

He was the GM coach. That's why he went up to be the GM. But did he not take over the reins after Craig Button was let go? He comes in halfway through the 0203 season. Yeah. So if Button finished the year, maybe, but it was a couple months. Yeah, it was very short. Yeah.

Oh, 3.04. That's fair. Coach GM. But again, the point being that, like, it wouldn't surprise anyone if Daryl likes, you know, amassing power and control here, right? So can I, can I just jump in and Pinner? We talked about this off air yesterday and he made it really good. The flames, organizationally, have it been good since when? Consistently, the early 90s.

There you go. There you go. And the 04 run, I'm proud to be part of it. I'm 100s. It's my fondest of memories. It was a fluke. Not in a fluke that it was just every game was fluky and we didn't try our and work our asses off. It was an absolute fluke that Mika Kippersoff fell into our hands.

And without Mika Kipersoff, you would have had another decade of shit. Wouldn't have made the playoffs. And you may be needed to suffer that and realize, oh, we can't operate this way. We can't hope and pray that. these one-off random seasons where we have a run of success, but they've nothing in the playoffs and then fall off again, right? It's just, it's a continual roller coaster. It's organizationally.

It's been 30 years of it. You can't say that it's like it's not, it's not bad luck. It's not, it's an organizational miss. They've never built anything. They've not built shit. Nothing.

The 04 run was not a build. No. It was a random event that they're, their number one goalie got hurt and they had to make a trade because new their backup goal even got hurt and they happened to get a superstar all-star perhaps hall of fame caliber goal tender in return and that's the only thing that's kept this franchise afloat the problem i have as well is that when they do run into trouble and it's time to replace a coach or a gm it's always the bargain bin Like Daryl's the outlier here.

When do they ever go out and get established top 10 at their craft type people? Like I like Trilliving. I think he's had to deal with a lot of, you know, shitty hands dealt to him. The Bill Peters one. Who could have seen that coming? Not to mention some other things. And, you know,

the owner probably likes to get in the way. A lot of things happening. Ken King always wanted to hear what was going on in green light stuff. But like, he's a first time GM. You know, four last five coaches, three last five coaches have been first time head coaches, if I'm correct. Like they went out and paid Daryl finally. but it's like, why are you always starting fresh

and letting people make their first mistakes running your team? Like, Tree, I think will be a GM again if it's not here next year, and I think he'll do a good job. But everyone's going to be better as they do the job longer. And you're still running out Gulletson and Jeff Ward and trying to sell us that these are actually solid candidates, not just cheap options. This organization has a problem right from the top.

Yeah, it's part of the reason they have cheap options because they don't want to double down on paying too high end coaches. is a fire guy. You're not going to fire Daryl and bring in another $5 million coach. And that's why. I don't know what Daryl makes, but I'm just saying, are we going to spend $10 million a year on coaching?

They don't want to spend $4 on coaching. Why would they spend, yeah. When Hartley was on payroll, Galtz and made peanuts. When Peters was on payroll, Jeff Ward made peanuts. There's a track record here. Give me an example of an organization that never had to build something.

they all do yeah to be successful like chicago was shit and i'm not saying it doesn't even always work out buffalo's been shit for a long time but how many playoffs series have we won clearly buffalo hasn't made the playoffs which is worse but how many playoffs series have we won in the history was the sabres haven't made the playoffs one two probably i think since o four it's two you had the the 1415 season where they ran into a vancouver club and it was the johnny moni mat stage and goal that year and then at last year against Dallas. But that's it. And if you look at the league as percentiles,

like, okay, so half the league's going to make the playoffs. So you're in the top half. If you make the playoffs, that happens about every other year here. And the top quarter of the league gets to the second round. They've done that three times since 1989. What?

Three times they've gone through the first round since 1989. And you can appreciate, and you can appreciate the mandate or the directive of make the playoffs. I think that. But every team that starts the season basically says that. Maybe San Jose wasn't saying it this year or Chicago, right? Maybe.

But they wouldn't say anything. But most teams believe that they're going to try and make the playoffs. That doesn't make you wholly and right. It doesn't make you, it could be the absolute worst move. And it's just like right now, what's the worst thing they can do? Try and make the playoffs. finish ninth and the less. Yeah.

That's the worst thing they can do. They can add pieces and either maybe make it in or at worst case, make ninth and lose, like, and then I sent it on the chat on YouTube. What's next year? Like, I can't, I don't find hope in the fact that if they don't make the playoffs next year's better.

I don't even know who the GM is this summer. Like, I'm sure there'll be changes, but they don't have, it's not like there's a plethora of talent here that's just, maybe there is because Darrell won't let them play, but it's not like they're beating down the door and it's just we're set up moving forward. I don't know what you get next year. I don't know what you get next year. A year older? You hope you have Matt Coronado in the lineup, but that's like it's, it's not a deep prospect pool. It's not a team that I think is an attractive.

place in free agency given the coaching track record seven draft picks this year what's their draft picks for and they're capped out for next year oh like it's a tough spot to be in GM has no deal capped out bottom third prospect pool and right now a bubble team and an old bubble team yeah they're old yeah they're old don't fucking kid yourself this isn't a bunch of kids that aren't quite getting the job done you brought in fucking cods Oh, is that the All-Star game? Yeah, well, it looked like an All-Star right now. Paltje is the best player in that line right now.

That's a little scary. There's a lot in there. And not to say I agree or disagree with any, that whole thing. And I get the ownership and all of that sort of thing. The one thing that ownership does do here is they spend to the cap. Everyone does, though. Who doesn't? But you know what, though?

It was talk to some teams where they don't, you have a, we're a budget team. We're not a cap team. But who are they? Like, I really don't know that those exist. Like, Arizona and, like, Columbus isn't last the rates of the cap. Chicago's spending $30 million on three players. The point being, it's not just now, but it's, that's, that's been the case for, go ahead. They have.

And I, my point is, I see both sides of it. I see what you're saying, boom, and you've got to applaud an owner that says, yeah, we'll just, you have, you have the ability as GM to spend as to the cap. that's there's no question that that's that's it's the checkbook is open for that but that doesn't make it the right plan and there aren't many other teams in the n hl in today's world that aren't spending to the cap the ones that aren't right like like let's be honest you're going to lose your effing fan base real fast if you if if well especially with the approach they have they say they're going to make the playoffs every year you got a veteran team you're bringing in guys you're spending lots money you better make the playoffs

you are up against like if you had a bunch of kids and the fans and people could go I don't know these kids are cheap we don't have to spend I don't care about the cap we've got a group of young kids that are coming up they're exciting to watch it's I don't go I don't think there's flame fans in Calgary that are fans because the the ownership spends of the cap no they want to believe in the team they want to believe in what they're going to watch and it's real hard to do that right now right

I don't it's yes I appreciate the ownership will spend that money but if it's not in the best interest of the team or the fans and it's not putting a good squad on a I think most fans in Calgary would suffer through a little bit of hardship and still attend the games and still spend the money if they believed that what was coming down the road was going to be successful these fans don't want to go to tuesday night against minnesota for the next desk next decade and not be entertained they want to go to a stanley cup final game they want to go they want to get their playoff bill in your email box or a phone call from the flames sales team are you buying your playoff tickets we have it we're going to the finals you better buy them all right now or you're going to miss out that's what the fans want they don't want to watch pelche maybe getting a lineup for a tuesday in detroit who the cares they want plus Playoff hockey, not, well, let's sneak into the playoffs and, oh, well, we got three games. That's good.

No long-term plan. Are you telling me next year you think that the Flames team is in a position as they sit right now, and again, millions of things can change. But as they sit right now, how much change will have to happen to make you or you or any of the fans of Calgary believe that they're a Stanley Cup contender? You need significant change if it's going to look like this, right? I mean, if they rip off eight wins or I just don't see how they could do it.

It doesn't look like a team that can do it. Well, I was going to say it. They got 22 days to the deadline, 21 days to the deadline. We were counting it last night. So it's like, by all means, have a good three weeks. But it's just hard to imagine.

Even when they, their last four games is perfect boom. You lose to the last place team at home and one of the worst efforts of the season. Back to back with travel, you beat the division leader in Seattle. You come out of the break and play an inspired physical, most entertaining game they've had all season against New York at one point. And then you look completely unsusp.

fired and flat against Detroit. There's zero consistency with this group. That's the last four games. And it's like you have no idea what you're getting. How could this team reel off six, seven in a row? I was going to say, this is probably not the show we're doing today if they win four to one last night. Even if they went an over time. But I don't think it doesn't.

I said it to you off the air. Does this team, do they have it? Does this look like a team that has? And like you had said, you know, they got a puncher's chance in a first round. Maybe. but does this... It's a squint, but it happens in this tournament

every year. Christ. But no, that can't be your plan is to be a bad team that's overmatched and get lucky for 10 years. You had...

And people bitched about it, but you got to shake up the core, break up the core. You had that team and you gave that team a run. Cachuk, Godrow, Monaghan, that whole group, right?

Giordano, yeah. And it didn't work. They're all gone. And they're all gone. And now this is... This is what you're trying. This is not. going to work either as I sit here and watch. I just don't see how this works. The trouble is,

I don't know how you get out of it now because you've got so much locked in. And it's hypocritical because at the time, it was like Hubert O signed up. That's, hey, you need superstars. He's a superstar. Is he? He was. That's the crazy part. You aren't top five in the league for six, seven years in a row. Don't ask me that question. Like Jesus. And I'm not like, looking to let the GM off the hook, but it's, I don't get it. I don't get how you go from being one of the top five, ten guys in the fucking world. Second and scoring. To this. Yeah. I think if you, if you gave me a blueprint for how this team could be successful next year, it involves a different coach. And I just don't, that's completely out of character for this owner. Well, and I'm not going to say,

we always feel shitty talking about guys' jobs, but there's no way Trillivings involved either then. He's up at the end of the year. I mean, try to work an extension right now if you're bad at your living. And the thing of it is, it doesn't have to be a decade of sadness and hurt. You can, with the cap and different things, teams are looking to move out players and get some,

you can probably turn this thing around a lot quicker than it used to be. But you need to commit to it. You need to have everybody in the room and say, this is the plan. We're going to strip it down. We want picks. We want kids.

We'll take on contracts on short, term to give up space to other teams. They'll give us picks and assets that we need. But that's a 180 from the philosophy they're using now. Yeah, this summer was about chips in. This summer was about a three to five year window. You knew you were going to be old. You knew the back half.

It was a misguided. Well, just hang on. So you knew the back half of the Cardiard deal would not be good. You know the back half of the, the Hubert O deal is not going to be good. Ditto for Weiger at his age. The hope was that these guys would be the guys they've been for the first half of the deals, or at least, you know, the beginning of the deal.

and I still don't think that 115 guy turns into a 40 point guy overnight. I think there's some major behind the scenes issues. So you're in your window now, Dean. Like you knew it wasn't going to be good. Your's 5, 6, 7, 8, but year 1's not good. Okay, so what, you know what it is? You were wrong. Who was that?

You picked a horse. And you picked, just hang on, you picked the plan and it's clear you were wrong. This is not a week of, from like, there it is. Back to the top of the division, hard team to play against. All things are firing. This is a, this is not. So how long do you wait? Till the deadline. How long do you wait? I, I have to think, hey, Bill Zito, you want Uighur? You need them back? What do we do? Like, I'm not shitting you. What do you do? Well, okay. So you, because you have so much money committed, you have to give them the three weeks. And at that point, you have to have,

Rhett, a focused plan. And if you're out of it in three weeks, don't go throw in Hail Marys and move in future assets, right? They're not going to be out of, sorry, I don't want to interrupt you, but they're not going to be out of it. It's, they could, I mean, I just mean, they're good enough to win the, I know, but that's the whole point is that in three weeks they're going to be what they're going to be so far this year they're going to kind of be hanging around i don't expect that they're going to be bad enough that they fall completely flat and lose six in a row yeah and if they do then it's an easy decision and i don't think they're good enough they're going to win six in a row they don't have the emotional investment or enjoyment of going

to the rink to have that happen anyway sorry no three weeks is fine go ahead give it three weeks but i don't think and you're going to get clearer yeah i i think you're right like in the sense that there'll probably be where they've been all year, which is on the bubble. And you noted the one goal games. They played 31 one goal games. They played what, 54 games. So like, buckle up for more of those. Um, you're a bounce away every night, but you can never open a lead. and seemingly you're never blown out. It's frustrating. It's mucky middle. And you know, you know, so here's the GM with three weeks left, Dino. After the trade deadline, what can you do to this roster? Nothing. You can sign Coronado. That's it. All. And so at that point,

he would have to go to ownership and say, okay, like, I'm up at the end of June here. Like, what's your plan? Is what the probably, like, that's how you're going to be judged. Is that not it? Like, at the deadline, I mean, maybe if you could find a right side,

third pair guy for a fifth rounder or something, sure, but they cannot be giving up anything of value. That's why I said, you're going to give up, you're going to give up anything to bring in Luke Shen? I said, yeah, are you a Luke Shen away? What the fuck are we talking about? Like, what? That's crazy pills.

What are we doing? Yeah, for a second or third it is. We've talked in the past about how a great goalie can hide warts and it kind of, this team has 24 wins and 28 losses. If it were not for all these other getting points, hey, they're getting points. They're close. No, they're losing these games. They're not winning them.

They're losing them. And they got points and that's admirable. But if they didn't have as many of these extra time loss points and they were further down in the standings, it'd be a consensus. Everybody in the choir would be singing it. team doesn't have it sell agree but that's everyone in the standings right like everyone has loser points um they're they're not an elite team they're not a congenre this team it tells you a story though it's not just a it's not just a side note all these teams have it no you've watched how many

goddamn games oh they outshot the opponent yeah but how many scoring chances oh they're in these one goal games how many do these deserve to win your record is what you say what you say it is you know what they're not 24 18 and 10 good that's that's deceptive their goalie hasn't been good they can't They can't score. They don't have finishers. Their power play is 25th in the league. Sucks. They are not a good hockey team. No. And it's like the part of the challenge is that if it was a clearer cut like it is in the east, like you know you're selling. But because it's this, oh, Minnesota's got like three wins in their last nine and shit. It's like shit. You can talk yourself into it. It's dangerous. But you know, sorry, this is where the bravery comes in.

And we talk about it with GMs, the odd time, a guy that does Stevie Y with Marty St. Louis. It's not the fucking feel good story. It's a shit story. But it's the right move. This is where the bravery part comes in and you go like you fucking recognize what you are and you fucking deal with it. And you sell every goddamn piece you can. So you know who it in return the best assets that you can. If that's the case.

And I said it was stupid to sign weger. in Huberto because if those guys aren't signed right now to long-term extensions what the fuck is their value i even playing poorly someone's looking at Jonathan Huberto going i can fix them yeah you could probably get a second i'll take that for a playoff run yeah right um like so if that's the case right and i think like a lot of that rings true next year is the last year of a lot elias lindholm's deal should they be talking to teams about elias lindholm like it's it's a scary thing to do when you look at, they shouldn't be, but they might have to because he might be the best asset they have to move. He would be their best asset. most return.

Noah Hannafin's got one year after this. Michael Backland. Michael Backland's got two. Sorry. But yeah. But there'll be a lot of teams that'd be happy to take on Backlick. Becklin is not a high, right? Backland would be a great ad for a team like Colorado, right?

It's not the greatest case example. But again, if you dedicate yourself to the mission of turning things around, there are things you can do. There are some things you can't do because of the cap and big, big contracts. all of that. And you're right, Red. Right now, if you didn't have those extensions in place, you'd be sour the season wasn't going well. But it'd be all right. Well, what do you get for this guy? What do you get for this guy? And, but man. And the thing of it is, and you mentioned it, I like Nazim Codry. I think he's been a fine player. But if you didn't have those extensions

in place, if Huberto said, no, I don't want to sign right now. I'm going to go and you don't get Uy done. I don't know if you go and get Cotry done. Because I feel like that was a Chipson, pot committed type of a move. Yeah. And again, like it's year over year. We see teams that look awful and the next year

they look great. Like, look at Winnipeg. How the fuck were they that bad last year and this good this year? I don't get it. Like, it's, coaching's a big thing.

I would believe if Daryl has to stay and Daryl can't go, you really do have to consider starting the cell. But if you still believe this group can win, it can't be with this coach. Sorry, sorry, sorry, I can't, I got it.

But a rebuild's not good with that coach either, is it? With who? But Darrell, yeah. He's not the guy that's, that's appeasing the young kids. Like, if I'm Coronado, I, Darrell said it was great to me, and he's like a father. But if I'm Coronado, I don't want to come play for this guy.

You want to start running your entry level clock. That's what you want to do. Yeah. No, right. He has to wait till the summer of 2025 if he wants to be a free agent. That's the only thing that really puts a lot of favor in him actually signing is that he could be done his entry level by then if he signs this spring. And then it's like once you're out of your entry level,

the players have all kind of leverage. You want to get out here? You can get out of here. And we always overreacted this industry and this and that. And there's going to be a time for cooler heads to think it through better than we are right now. But it's brutal right now. It's brutal. Is Darrell of the right coach for any of the situations moving forward?

I don't feel like it. What's going to happen for them to mend fences and all those players in that dream? dressing room to enjoy going to the rink again with darrell still there what and i don't know that they have stories it doesn't feel like they have an eternal candidate does it like here's a guy and then if you go 10 years yeah and then if you go oh no we're not going to ride this out we are going to make a bunch of massive moves and we're going to restock and have a a goal of a three year four year plan or whatever it is again is he the that's the guy at the helm does he want to be part of that i don't think think darrell signed an extension to operate a a daycare right like he that's not what he's interested in

he's been in the game too long he's thinking he wants to win he wants to push buttons in the playoffs and try and win another stanley cup i don't think he's interested in developing young kids that's not and i don't blame him he's how 65 hour and a half and a hole he is he's in a different point in his career he's not kale mclean cal mclean would love that opportunity i would love to take on Growing these kids, sure, but that's not Daryl Sutter's, no, he's not here to do that. You always hear about the shelf life of a hard-ass coach. It sure feels like it happened fast because he came in and said the right things.

It looked like in a way, his time away, wins the cups, ended, you know, you move on. Softening up. You get back in unfinished business, right? And guys took to him, and it worked. but to your point, Red, and it's probably just us because we sit and we talk every day. That friggin game against the Oilers, where that puck goes in. Game seven or whatever, game eight. And he switches the lines.

My understanding is from that point on, it was the vice tightened up and it hasn't let off. And now you've got the hard-ass coach. He's beyond pulling it back. And the team's done with him. It looks broken. Yeah. And how long has he been here? It's coming up on two years.

Usually even these coaches with shelf lives have a longer shelf life than this. And you know what? Sorry, I just wanted to say one week. We'll move on because we're kind of now spinning our wheels. This is on the players too. The coach might not be the right fit anymore with this group. But there's some players.

I don't know what you are, McKenzie Weeger, but you can be better. Zedorov, you've been. better than you have been here the last little stretch. Markstrom, you have to be better. Got to be. Three years left. Right. There's, there's plenty of, I'll blame, whatever you want to call it. But there are guys, it's been a fine year for Tofoli. Codry has been pretty good. You know, Elias doesn't look right. We've talked about Huberto. Dubay is on a top line wing. I like Dylan a lot. He's not a top line winger. Manjapani, Coleman and Backland have had a nice run here two, three weeks, but it's really struggled in the first half.

steep drop for manjapani yeah um and and look final thought here like no one saw it going this way and it sucks that it's gone this way they could still get in and get hot i i mean weirder things have happened i'm not suggesting it's likely but you know they they come home with four points out of four here like they're in a playoff spot it's fucking weird and if they win that ugly three two and overtime this isn't the show we do but you know it doesn't change it doesn't change who they are you know and the big picture is still the same that like if the GM's going to be up like who's making these decisions like is it the owner and if it's not if we know the GM's done you get to the deadline and you can't really affect the roster much after that like who's coming in yes I so so I like

there's some and then all of a sudden the last year of their deals next year lindholm back went to Foley Hanif and Zedora of Tannave holy fuck but you know what last year. But if you're looking, if you want to reset it, you can do it. Get at it.

And honestly, like, you might have to live with a bad Huberto contract for the next eight years, but if the cap's $100 million, there's teams that have bigger impediments than that. You have,

if you are going to, if this is going to blow up, if this is going to, you cut the wrong cord, the bomb goes off. There is a faster turnaround time than I think people want to believe, given that all those assets I mentioned

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That's what I'm saying. Okay. You're not married to it. Quite a start. Watch them just go on a heater now just to shove it up our asses. Listen, with all of this, I'm very happy to be wrong. Yeah. And it doesn't give you.

That's the thing. Well, they go on a heater. It's like, does that excuse your fucking performance last night? Does that make amends for the first 54? No, it doesn't. Like, yeah. We showed you. We won two in a row.

We beat two non-playoff teams. You've shit the bed for three months. Like, get out of here. Well, it's, yeah, we've done all this a couple times now. But the frustrating parts that they do go into Seattle win, they do hang with good teams, and then they shit their pants. Village Honda, villagehonda.com is the website. You'll see the QR code up on the screen if you want to be taken right there.

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Geez, did we talk about it? It felt like a bit of, I said on the show, it wasn't a death blow to the club, but it felt ominous. And I feel like that tone reflected on the show today. Here's a clip from Afterburner last night

if you missed it. Yeah, do we have the clip or no? There we go. Or it's just a screenshot. Is it a player or was it all? We had tech issues last night. Maybe that's what we're showing. Isn't that great?

We can leave it. No, I need a second here. That's all right. We'll just move forward. Here is the stat that I mentioned to Rhett last night from Ryan Pike at Flames Nation. And this was the season in a nutshell for the flames. Calgary at five on five allowed seven shots the entire game last night. They got 28-4.

Scoring chances in the high danger area? 6-5 Detroit. If there's ever been a stat to tell you about how a season's gone for a club, this is it. Is that not the flames, Dean? And you know, that's on the flip side. That's a big indicator to me. Big, big indicator to their talent level.

See, and I think it's an indication of the- Go ahead. Explain what you're saying. Explain what you mean. Sorry, Ryan. They're not good enough to hold on to pucks and make plays in the offensive zone to create scoring opportunities. So they fucking shoot it at the net, which is not the worst play. But if that's the only play you have, you better have two guys getting there and they're not fast enough to even get to the net to cause havoc.

The goalie should be, I said it last night, the goalie should be run eight times a game then. If that's your point. The opposition goalie, there should be someone lying on him at least four whistles. every period. Oops. And you know what? I'm here again. Like if,

obviously, if Detroit had back to back and they had to play again today, Vili Huso, he'd be like, put me in. I don't care. I'm good.

But you face 28 shots. Trust me, I'm fine. You held Detroit to 17 shots. He was 15 on 17 and Vlodar was had more work than Fuso. 17 shot. And Detroit was no scream in hell last night. They were,

no, they were fine. How, right? Yeah. They'd won five of their last 14. They looked like a team that won five of their last 14. They did. They didn't challenge the goalie. Like, whoso didn't have to make great saves.

I, the only thing I said in the talent is like, if you just look at all these guys last year where they're seasons ahead, there is enough goals here. I think the problem is there is not a fit that the coaches are yelling, get shots, get shots, get shots. Like, you said it last night. I don't think this coaching staff is telling guys like, pull up, hang on, wait for a trailer. That's not what's being preached here. Daryl's system is very clear. It's heavy shot volume from anywhere. There's no. No emphasis on getting to scoring areas. Like he was asked last night, did you create enough?

Oh, yeah, I thought we got enough. That's a problem. There's no way Daryl says, because he always talks about you got to get to the greasy, dirty areas. He talks about that. You just can't take too much out of what Daryl says after that. And to be fair, this isn't just the post-comprits. There are concerns inside the organization that this is too much of a philosophy that don't

work anymore. And I'm not looking to throw you under the bus, but I mean, and I think you were maybe devil's advocate, but we've been talking about this for months now. Oh, they outshot their opponent. Look at the shots. They're getting look. Whose goalie had the tougher night? It's always Calgary's goalie. And to be fair, like they weren't hitting posts and missing wide open nets last night. They weren't. That has happened. But on the season, this is the stat.

All those shots is not a lot to show for it. The scoring chance shot clock has been, it's not been married. They're not married at all. At all. Jonathan Yerbado might have had his worst night as a flame. Here is the stat line. for the soon to be $10.5 million player for the next eight years for the Calgary Flames. Zero is a common theme on the stats here. Shots, shot attempts, scoring chances, only one without a shot attempt. Not a good night.

The Flames pace is becoming a little ominous. They are on track to get around 91 to 92 points. That's below a traditional cutoff for a wild card in the West. Again, it might be a soft year in the West. the only thing that maybe artificially keeps them looking close. We've got the standings in their pace here to look at. They're still tied for a wild card with one more game play of the Minnesota. If they had somehow got a point last night,

they'd be in a playoff spot as gross as that might feel. Won't that be the ultimate is this team doesn't change. Maybe they do nothing at the deadline, but they find a way to sneak in and then the philosophy, hey, you know what? We just had a bad year. It takes guys a while to incorporate themselves into a new market. We were a playoff team.

Well, let's go. Let's flush that out a little more. Look at those division leaders. Like, Vegas is very unstable ground. Seattle, it's been a rough couple of weeks. Dallas would beat them, I think. But even like a team like Winnipeg wasn't in the playoffs like, like it is a weird league, man.

Point away from playoff spot. Feel free, feel free to go on a St. Louis Blues Stanley Cup championship run. There's no one here that's going to bitch and moan about it. We'll cheer you the whole way. Last place in the league, July 2nd or whatever it was, Jan 2nd. Don't try and tell me you know that's what's going to happen because there's no indicators that that's coming. Yeah. And they started a month earlier.

It's already February. That's right. When St. Louis started that run, it was in January, not middle of February. Yep. They were last place in the league, early Jan and win the cup with a deep team with no superstars. That's what you'd hoped you'd been here. Today in Flames history, here's a good one, boys. Jeff Reese in a 13-1 win over the sharks.

New NHL record, three goalie assists. 30 years ago today, 13-1. What was the goalie pad budget then? A little tight, I think. Christ, get that guy some new gear. It was Jeffrease. They probably spent the new gear money on the other goalies. How heavy would those pads?

Oh, my God. Just water-logged. The game, yeah. It smelled a horsehair from here. Gross. To NHL, let's take a look at the full Teresanko deal. This one came down yesterday. We've never seen Horvatt move.

We now see Teresanko move. We didn't have the full details yesterday. It's a first, a fourth. Blues eat half the money. And Prospect Defenseman Hunter Skinner goes to the Blues with Sammy Blay, former Bloom, self. And it's Nico Mikola, the defensive defenseman with Tank going to Broadway. Hunter Skinner, what are you left? No.

it was that he blew himself. A former blew himself. It's hard to do. I'm not sure. Speaking of trades, Frank Saravalley of DailyFaceoff.com. If it's grade seven comedy, it's not past us to throw it.

Phil! Come on. Top trade target on Franksar Valley, Daily Face Off's target board right now. None other than $10 million qualifying offer, Tim O'Meier of the Sharks. Rest of the next five,

O'Reilly. Chikeren, Kane, Taves. And Patrick came with some comments today, Rhett. Yeah, it wasn't the most exciting trade to see Transpire. It sounded like you wanted to go to New York, and we know that's not happening since tanks there. Kane, a little, hmm.

And remember, he's got the full no move. He can kind of dictate the way this thing goes. Sounds like New York preferred tank. And I know that earlier this week, Pierre LeBron said we're right into the Kane decision-making time. He and Pat Broussaint is his agent. They're going to decide what they want to do. Then effectively give the Hawks a list of teams that he would potentially head to

and see if they can work something out. To the rowdiest golf event on planet Earth, it's the WM waste management, Phoenix Open, in beautiful Phoenix hosting the Super Bowl this weekend as well. Rett, this is not the beginning of the Boston Marathon or a Halloween 10K. This is the gates opening at Dawn. yesterday for round one of the WM Phoenix Open as people sprint to get to the stadium 16th hole. The Ninja Turtles are there. You can see there's Donatello in the blue, Michelangelo in the orange. Yeah. So what time are we estimate this with 5 a.m., 6 a.m. It's dark out.

Yeah, there's are lights, not the sun. And I believe it's actually Donatello in the purple, Leonardo in the blue. I don't see Raphael. He might be tucked in behind. And no sign of splinter whatsoever. No longer in the tooth. I don't know if splinter's still around with that. So this is to find the best spot. Well, there's the party essentially like two-story bar behind the green. It's limited capacity. So you've got to get there.

You've got to beat the rest of the crowd. Golf. Apparently. Golf clap. Built a little different. This one is. It's called the People's Open. You can see the sign in the background.

Tough to argue that. Good Canadian vibes as we saw at the 16th Stadium Hall. Nick Taylor, Canadian, after his tea shot, have a little listen, sound up. Do that for the hearing loss clinic next week. Oh, sure, yeah. Sound up. As, you know, Canadian at the event, good to see we got some snowbirds down there cheering on the fellas. A little tip of the cap, that's not a normal golf hole.

Yeah, we're just singing the anthem off the tea. And that's before you get to the, you know, 10,000 people around the green. It worked, whatever it was. Look at the standings. Adam Hadwin, Nick Taylor. a share of the lead, the two Canadians in a four-way tie for first place. Keep her rolling, fellas. Fellas.

Fellas. NBA trade deadline officially passed. Raptors only had Yakuport. They don't trade Ananovi. They don't trade Fred Van Valleat. They don't trade Pascal Sianakum. They don't trade Gary Trent, Jr. The hell happened.

Well, you know, it's these owners. And the Simpson meme is good as well. Lots of big trades in the NBA. Yeah. Yeah. NFL, MVP voting came through yesterday. A lot of names you'll recognize on there. The bottom one, maybe only Rhett will know.

Danny Kellington is the man that performed CPR on Demar Hanlon for nine minutes at that Bill's Bengals Sunday Nighter. I think it was Sunday night or was a holiday Monday, one of the two. It was Monday nighter, yeah. And that saved Hamlin's life, allowed him to get into an ambulance to hospital in Cincinnati where, you know, the story of the season, really. Mahomes wins it going away, no surprise, but that was Susie Colbert, who's used an MVP vote on one of the Bill's medical staff. It really is a miracle that we got here with him being a pretty normal human life, what, three weeks, four weeks out of this, Red?

Holy. Yeah, no, it didn't like that. You had some bad vibes on that one. Mahomes' resume looks like this now after another MVP win. It's a pretty decent collection of things that you like if you're, you know, into football. Twice an MVP, five AFC title games, all home field, three Super Bowl appearances, one Super Bowl MVP, three time Pro Bowl, or five-time Pro Bowler, three-time All-Pro, twice leading the league in touchdowns, and a record for total yards in a season at over $5,600. And yet, you know what'll happen? It's five years.

He's been a starter. That's good, right? And if he loses, it'll be, well, is he really the guy that can win the big game? He's been to four Super Bowls. He's only won one time. Anyone that says that deserves a shovel. You could find one of those for our Monday show following the Super Bowl. No chance.

And finally, we launched a new show on Flames Nation a couple days ago. Nation citizens. Our boy, Princey, a little storytelling from the dome. Here we are. Right, you're going to like this. We'll get into the story about how, like, no joke. Like, Rat Warner was my favorite player since I was like 10 years old. I haven't told him that yet.

Did you just throw yourself under the bus here? He's not like, he doesn't even, like, he, I hope he would, Unless we make this a social clip and tag. Unless we put it a social clip and tag of it. Not even. I don't even know if you would see that. Yeah, I am. It's not a joke.

Like, it's my three-year-old son, his name's Red. Like, it's not, it's, I'm not blowing smoke up anyone's ass. Like, like, all these guys growing up, they all love Iserman and Sackick and even a Gimla. And like, I'm the odd one that like my favorite player growing up was Red Warner. Like, I liked him when he was in Buffalo. And then he got traded to Calgary. And I was ecstatic about that. And then we'll even get down to it later in the road.

When Rhett retired, I moved on to a player named Shane O'Brien. And people are like, why do you like these guys? Because they're hard work and they're glue guys, they're muckers, the guys that show up with their work pale and their hard hat. And they come to work. And I like that kind of guy. And I've always tried to put that into what I'm doing in Flames Nation here. So tuck it under your belt, Princey, when Rhett comes back to town.

Jesus Christ. Another guy naming his kid Rat. Hey, Dean? That's something. Wow. A lot of rats right around 0405 in Calgary for some reason. I knew Princey was a shady character. You're just on the bottom. It's a good hoodie. Other than that, I've got questions here. I don't know. Wow. That's your Pender Report, fellas. A presentation of Village Honda. Get there. You know, I keep messing this one up.

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We got a couple things to do before. before we get out of here. Yep. But the YouTube chat has been, has been busy. I would think so. That's about as volatile shows we've had. We get painted into a corner sometimes, and I think we're probably,

it's probably a fair assessment, that we can lean to the negative, maybe a bit prematurely. But I feel like, and it's not to justify what we're doing, I think nine times out of ten, we're right. We may be ahead of the ahead of it a little bit. But I don't know as you sit here. I say, geez, was any of that?

Do you want to take any of that back? Is it a, I really don't think it is. It's maybe coming off of the heels of an awful looking game in Detroit against a team that looked very beatable and all of that. You had one player, like Vladar, that looked like he was at his level. And aside from that, so I know that you do shows every day. And some of them are, oh, the team was good.

No, not so good. And it's easy to be negative and down. But just looking at the chat, there's no one really saying, you guys are out to lunch. This is a great team. Give them a few more weeks. Get them something at the deadline. Like, do they need help? Yes.

Lots. But adding them they can afford probably. But giving away picks or prospects for a player, that's not the way. So I am very curious to see what the next run here holds because we talked about this month of February, the level of opponent and all of this. It just already feels on the 10th. It just already feels.

You've got to play tremendous to get back to where you were looking forward to a February. They finished the month with Vegas, Colorado, and Boston. So best be getting your shit together before then. Jay Feaster coined it, right? intellectual honesty. It's what you need to have. Take your heart out of the equation.

And I think that's got to be where they're at right now. Or where they need to be at. And I don't think they will be. You know what you hope they aren't is post-Apex, which is John Weisprud. Like a little post-Apex last night for some of those guys. Post-Apex. What are you doing Super Bowl, retro?

What's your plans? Well, we'll probably have to go to Nona us for Sunday dinner and then I got to find somewhere we've been invited to someone's house but I can't decide whether a house party or a pub is the place to be. So he doesn't know, I think.

You know where we'll be, Dean. No, I didn't sound like nothing firm. No, I know where we're going to be. Come say hi. Come visit us. Tell us how you solve this problem that we've talked about a great length today. As we sit here right now,

now again, it's well in front of the game. what does betway have for for our odds on this one? Well, I saw minus one and a half is the line for Philly yesterday. I don't know there's a ton of movement. The line's been there for two weeks, right? So we'll do that on the way out.

We have our Betway bets. But for Super Bowl, if you're here in the city of Calgary and you don't have plans, even if you do have plans to cancel, be with us. Join us at Grey Eagle, resort and casino,

the stage bar, the big game viewing party. we've got it all set up. We'll be there, middle of the afternoon. Do we know what time it starts yet? 4.30 still. We said 4.30.

Yeah. Last two weeks you've said 4.30. So get there before that. Do that. Get your spot because there's no reserved seating. It's not like that. You pull up, you sit down, plate of wings, pitch or a beer,

12 bucks. There are prizes that we're going to be giving away. Four draws for 100 bucks of free slot play as well. There will be some jerseys and, you know, knacks and do dads all kinds of greats. Oh, do dads. Oh, yeah, lots of doodads. And then the grand prize draw. Once the game is done, we will make the draw for the 65-inch Samsung television and sound bar.

That's all at the Grey Eagle Resort and Casino on Sunday afternoon into the evening. Betway bets. Looking forward to, looking forward to, betway bets. We'll do some hockey and then we'll make our football picks. I can start us off. seeing and maybe it's because the Rangers Flames play them the other night they add Teresanko but they've also been on a heater we were talking about it before the show began 10 2 and 2 their last 14

how's that for tidy red 10 wins two losses 2 points that's a team that seems to have showed it's GM what it is you can push some chips in on us you can add by all means so the Rangers against the crack in Seattle good team on the road against the Rangers I'm going to take the Rangers here minus 1 and a half plus 110 and then a little combo bet that is built at the Betway app

Rangers money line plus a point from Artemmy Panarin plus 125. Cracking of only three wins in their last nine too, Dino. And I'm on the same bet with the Rangers minus one and a half paying plus 110. I'm also going to jump on another contest tonight that has Toronto in Columbus. Goddrow and Marner, two of the best playmakers in the NHL. They both get one assist. Johnny's got 10 assists in his seven assists in his last seven

Marner seven assists his last nine they both get it tonight plus 175 let's go there you go by bets of the day Betway bets of the day get it on your phone you're responsible at that Moe Sider point yesterday you kidding me one assist for

there yeah plus 175 Eagles Chiefs Sunday Monday minus one and a half for the fly eagles fly these eagles they lined The Vegas people, they They know where to put these lines What are they wanting you to do?

Are they wanting you to take the Chiefs? Split it down the middle and they get the juice. That's the, you know, what's that? What do you feel, Retro? I'm going Chiefs. I believe in Mahomes. It's done it over and over. Let them do it again.

I'm in the same, I'm kind of in the same boat. At the end, you're going to probably feel like, why would we have gone against Jalen Hertz? He was so good this year. But you're going against Mahomes the other way. Can't go against Mahomes. You got to beat those.

If the guy's got the belt, you've got to beat the guy with the box. So are we picking the winners or are we playing the spread here? I know it's not a huge difference. Both, right? Yeah, point in a half. Take it. If you're taking the Chiefs, you're getting a point and a half. I'll just for contrary and sake, so we're not a clean sweep.

I'll go with Derek Newman, my boy's Eagles. Loves the Eagles. Fly Eagles. See, I feel like you're limping in on that. I am. If you had both gone Philly, I would have gone to see. What does it matter? What do you think?

minus one and a half feeling. I think the line's dead on. I think this is like who makes it or misses a kick at the end. I think we got a classic on our hands here. Best team against best player. Love it. Good pick. Yes.

I think the line's right where it needs to be. Two good teams could come right down to it. Did you make a pick in there? That's very retro. Listen, I know you get to set up on the fence every show all the time. I just said the chiefs. I said I'll take Kansas City or excuse me the Eagles and now you're sent her or you limped in.

No, but you said because I don't know, I don't want to be contrarian. so you guys are going there. I'll go this way because of my buddy Derek Newman. My boy, big Eagles fan. Well, I just, you guys won't take the chief. I can't stand Sarah Valley rubbing it in that I've never given him his booze. Did you not give him his booze? Yeah, and he's pretending to have the address.

Did I get the address? I'll take the Eagles in a route, obviously. There you go. Dominate. Believe I gave you the address. Twice. You did. Twice?

Yeah. I think he's gotten it at least. Come on. At least once, if not twice. What would you say about us? if we've done that, Rhett? What would you tell? What kind of words would you use to describe us?

You guys do it all the time. Are you going to go and watch the Mighty Savers and Flames? I can't. I got too much kids hockey. I love to do, but nope. Where are you going? Kid soccer, but brother Brett is here. He's in town with all of his.

Get his scouting report, would you? Yeah. Sure, he'll be sober and taking notes. Right now. I'm going for wings right now. I might go meet him for some wings. And then to the Hothbra House. later. Yes. Steins.

beers. Yeah. Love it. I thought maybe you'd be off to San Antonio or something for pee-wee hockey. Isn't that kind of how it rolls out there? We're local this week. We're local this week. Six games.

All right. Well, best of luck. Thanks to everybody for jumping in. Interesting show today. We're back on Monday. See at the Griegle. And we will see you at Grey Eagle on Sunday afternoon for the big game watch party. Can we win the TV? probably not best you know like optics wise if we do all right we'll let we'll let somebody else

win it also watch your socials if you've been sending us your photos of your jersey that's right two you hosers are come with us we're gonna pick one of you you'll be at the VIP table with us you plus one come on now I go see you next week don't make sure make sure tan man doesn't get out of hand oh I'm ready we're gonna be feeding this guy shots oh yeah I you should see pender Pinder you know what he's trying to taint him he's trying to get in hey you know what we need to do we need to go to that tequila bar down after afterburn or sometime forget Pen are terrible. I don't speak easy.

See you, buddies. Have a great weekend. Oilers suck.