Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - FlamesNation Barn Burner: Flames Lose 4-3 to the Philadelphia Flyers

Episode Date: February 21, 2023

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So I know afterburner is killing the flames. Is this show also responsible? We're okay? I think we're fine, yeah. I mean, they started, what, 5 and 2 with us out of the gate? Is that number that Pike tweeted last? Is that true? That's accurate.

They are 6 and 0. On nights we don't do afterburner. On nights we don't do our post game show. It's basically Friday, Saturday nights, they love it. The flames are party boys. They love the weekend. They hate school nights. They hate getting up early. They don't like riding the bus. They don't like doing the reading. They don't like doing their homework. They love the weekends. Six and oh. Six and no non-afterberder nights. And I like I haven't verified, but it's Pike. He's very good at math. And what? Two out of 13. Two victories in 13 games that we've done?

Two, seven and four. So two out of 13. It's a 308 points percentage, which would have them like in pole position for Bedard. It's incredible. and we're sorry and we're sorry it's we're for sale I'm sorry if you want to end after burner cut us a huge fucking check and we'll shut the thing down Calgary flames you're listening to us yeah Drew Living Bean

there anything else Murray Edwards cut us a check we'll stop doing this thing anything else rat it's got to be it no pull your heads out of your ass and win some hockey games I don't think it's our fault at all I'm not too I guess all right fair enough I mean here's the thing it doesn't have to be the flames to cut us a check if the Minnesota wild want to cut us a check

we keep doing these things. Well, I was, but, you know, at the same time, I was listening to Afterburner this morning with you guys. If, if the tank for Bedard crew, we could do, we could do more shows. We could do maybe twice a day. Do a pre-game and a post game, right? I don't think there's enough runway for Badard.

No, I don't either. I mean, there is. It would just be, you'd need to lose every single, we do all the Afterburners, so they lose out. And then you've got to probably win the lottery as well. You wouldn't be dead last. It has to win a lottery. Sure.

do it. This group with Bidar to be great. They haven't... Cool. They haven't won back to back. What they finally need to do is get a real stud centerman. Let's get them. Let's go.

Let's do it. Where'd that 40 goal guy go from last year? How do you get one of those guys? You had what? Anyway, welcome to the show. It is a Tuesday that feels like a Monday, but it's a Tuesday. I assure you that's the case. We're here in the Tower Chrysler Studios.

And Rhett? Just he's in. P's to the shoveler who is missing a whale of a day in Calgary. If you were keen on shoveling snow, it's Christmas here. Really? Foot. How long was the commute, Dino, normally and today? I was just, you know, take your time.

Well, that's what I mean. So much time did it take? Well, it didn't take that much time because I just stayed at home. I just waited it out. You're at home right now? I'm not going to. I left about an hour later than I usually do. I can sit in traffic and wait to or turn it.

turn on the bull, or I'll just sit at home and sit on the shitter and look at my Twitter. Oh, at least you're well arrested. You heard me. So the flames fall four to three to the Philadelphia Flyers. It's quite a cast. And listen, when you're the team that's losing, you can't be pointing fingers and making fun. That's not how it works. But the Jackson Stauber, Samuel Erson, Mad Sogarde, Holy Flock.

It's really quite a cavalcade of stars that the flames have done. have lost to in the last three weeks. Christopher Gibson all over the place. I didn't, and the thing is, their first period was tremendous. They were very good in the first period, but then ended up giving up a goal and we're down one nothing.

They had chances galore. Yeah, this wasn't the rinse and repeat type loss that they've had this year, where you're like, they're settling for bad chances, they're not getting enough chances. That's BS, don't look at the shock lock. They actually had a ton of chances.

Because you mentioned the first. after that they had two breakaways, like straight, clean breakaways. Could you finish one of those two fellas? Pellche had one. Dube had one. They had a two on O. It was Dubay and Coleman with the breakways. Yeah, you would hope.

Two on O. Peltier with a couple chances in tight. Rasmus from like inside the hash on each side couldn't finish. Like this was not a they didn't get chances. Don't be fooled. Like it actually was a no-name goalier guy. We don't know a ton about yet. He's now six and oh after long five in his first game, but not getting the loss.

but the goalie was good and they did get enough chances to win and it was not even close in the goaltending department at one end versus the other again repeat just push the repeat button no they they got more chances than what we've seen this wasn't Detroit they didn't generate shit there was a ton of chances last night are we are we thinking they've turned the corner then

like you're saying no no no Saturday was good Monday the no I said it on Friday show I said if they could I'm not being a smart ass If they come out against the Rangers and they're really good, how do you give them credit? Because they consistently play to the level of their competition. Oh, they beat the Rangers. Oh, who's shocked? Nobody.

We beat the Rangers. We basically called it. And then came back and lost to the Flyers two days later. They shit their pants against Detroit with a pathetic effort. And it's like, yeah, but you know what? They'll probably be really good against New York. We all sort of thought it wouldn't surprise us at all. It's a rather likely outcome.

And sure enough, they're on them early. They get a couple of goals. It's Markstrom's best performance of the year. He only blows one two-goal lead and they get a point over time. It's unbelievable. But this is why they're frustrated. They're not bad. They're good when they want to be and bad when they should be good.

This is why it's fresh. If they were just bad at everything, it'd be like, yeah, this is what they are. But they continually show up against very good teams and play well and then look awful against dormats. They beat Tampa at home. They've taken three or four off the Rangers in terms of points this year. They got zero out of four against Detroit. they've lost to Chicago twice. What the hell's going on here?

Like what actually is happening? And they're going into Arizona later tomorrow, because this is Tuesday feels like Wednesday, Wednesday tomorrow. Arizona's been really good at home. Remember they went to what, two games at home before 20 on the road? They've come back into that tiny little junior A barn

and they've been way over 500. Look out. Yeah, the coyotes who don't want to win. Yeah. And the flames who desperately want a need to win. to go coyotes. What's the, what's the,

get on the betway right now and figure out what the, yeah, can you get that line early, the day early? Yeah, the coyotes are now sixth from the bottom. Like,

they're not, this is bad news if they want but art. Yeah, this is not good. This is really not good for them. San Jose worst, Montreal worst,

Columbus worst, Anaheim worse, Chicago, the worst of the worst. You know, Rhett, you brought it up on after burner last night,

and, I mean, you kind of agreed. This team, because they, they've shown flashes, like you say, they're not bad. They have talent.

They play poorly at times, but they're not a bad hockey team. They're not a great hockey team, but they play very well at times. It's that score effect that hits a team. And I feel like the flames are very prone to that.

If they're down by one, if they're tied, or if they're up by one, three completely different hockey teams a lot of the time. If they're protecting, if they're protecting, If they're protecting a lead or they're up, man, it's, it could slip through their fingers.

I just, it's a weird team to kind of put your finger on. But I just, that one extra save would make such a difference for this team because a one goal lead, maybe it's a two goal lead. Instead of being down, maybe you're tied. You shouldn't have been down one, nothing after one. If you switch goalies, you probably have three nothing after one. Like, it's not close. they got to stop running back to Markstrom after a solid start. Like kudos for Saturday, but that's like four or the last five.

He sucked. All that stuff that we're talking about right now makes sense. But to me, it all speaks to a group that's weak in the dressing room. Yeah. We can't overcome any of the adversary, right? Like, again, you could you could single it out and say, well, Markstrom, he absolutely needs to make sense safe. But you shouldn't be that. that it ends you.

Yeah. Can't overcome some of this. Like and and and I don't think you can blame Markstrom for, you can blame them for results, but you can't blame them for efforts. And there's been too many flat efforts what we were talking about five minutes ago where you're playing a shitty team and you're worse than they are. You're trying to try. Detroit.

twice. You're not trying as hard. Right. Ottawa, Detroit, Columbus, Chicago. Right? Like that Markstrom doesn't control the efforts there. You know, put some of the blame for the outcomes on them. But maybe they're, I don't know.

They're confusing and they're frustrating because if they do get that save and everything changes, who the hell knows what they are. Yeah. But they're the only ones in the room that can control it. It's my kids. I gave my kids shit today. They're off this week and they're sitting around doing another. I said, well, so it's somebody else's job to make sure you're doing the right thing?

or accomplishing something. It's not how life works. Rets to anti-parenting. Right? What, it's a parent's job to coordinate shit for their kids? Come on, kids. Grab this world by the tail.

You've got to week off. Well, look at society nowadays, Pender. You keep helping your kids. See how many of them live at home till they're 30. I feel like that's a rabbit hole. Maybe not for the show today. Yeah.

Pinder. Pender. Pinder. I don't know. I've just said it over and over again. They look like they're a collection of players. They don't feel like a team. It's a talented group that doesn't add up to the sum of all the parts in the results category.

You know, it took, what, 50 games or whatever for that Backland, Manjapani-Colman line. That feels like a line. That feels like there's chemistry there. Yeah, always. Since they put that group together, you know exactly what you're getting every single night. And they've almost scored every single night since then. They were tremendous in the first. Manjapani had that one that goes off of his shoulder and the power play.

Colman threw the legs off the friggin post late in the game. And Backland had a couple of great chances in close anyway. Save, yeah. The glove save, late. But outside of that, I've liked Hubert O for the last couple of days. Better. He's been better. I think Peltier, that's the one thing.

I think Peltier's really fit in. I like him. To the point he's almost st. standing out now. Now, maybe that's an indictment on everybody else, but you notice him in positive ways now. Condry's more roller coaster than I thought. Like, dumb penalties, turnovers, and then like a great play and a goal. You're like, ooh, there's, there's some volatility here. Like, it's a couple of games in a row now where it's like, don't take that penalty, including like Lynn Holmes out on Saturday, right? He gets the misconduct at the end of regulation.

So you're going into overtime three on three, list your centers. Yeah? Like, it's backland and someone you don't want in the ice. That's a tough spot to put your team in. Now, they get the win and Backland happens to tip the puck in, but your game plan for three on three is not to have one top nine center available. And that's on Caudry for running his mouth at the ref when it was already done. You're not changing his mind. The penalty's been served.

You're in overtime. Move on. There's six minutes left last night. Don't take a penalty that put your team in the box for two because now you only got four minutes where you can get a chance to tie it up without a shorty, right? This isn't something new. No, it's not. But it's, we're seeing it in these silks now, right?

Like Toronto Maple Leafs fans know all about this. There's the losing his cool and what, three playoff, two playoffs in a row there? Yeah. I know Daryl shrugged it off last week. He was asked about his record after two periods when trailing. No wins. 013 and 2 is where that stands now. And Daryl kind of sure.

Well, it's the, no, I don't even really know what he said, but he basically lent very little credence to it. To me, that that's an indicator of a team that, that doesn't have that chemistry or maybe is a little bit fragile, that they just can't. And maybe some of those games, you're not going to come back. Maybe you're down by two or three and you can't expect. Yeah, but you know what?

How many times, I would guess out of that, whatever it is, 15 games, how many would have been one goal? 11, 10, 10, they've come back on leads and blown those leads in a couple of those too. I feel like, I feel like that's more telling that Daryl wants us to know. Well, and isn't it odd in today's world where there's,

there's no lead that's you can protect. Like I think we were talking about it early in a year where leads were evaporating for teams left and right, three goal leads and all of a sudden teams are coming back and you end up losing those games. It's not the dead puck error

where it was score a goal and shut it down. It's a whole different world. So the fact that they can't come back and win a game is, well, sad. Yeah, because everyone's doing it. To your point, like we've seen more multi-goal comebacks in games this year

than we have probably in decades, if not, like, since the game was different when goalies didn't drop down and looked like small people. And they don't have one. I even think about that Bob Hartley or 2014-50 in the Findaway Flames. And they had, I think, 10 comeback victories in the third. And that was a much less talented group than this one. What we know the data is telling us and that's easy to see is that their goaltending is not good enough at five on five. their bottom five in the league in that category. Their power plays bottom five in the league.

That's a major issue. And that if you're not going to get both of those things, I'm not surprised if everyone's in a bit of a funk. Because how do you feel good? You're going to lose a lot of games if you have an awful power play and you can't get saves it even strength. And it's about not doing the same show over and over again,

but you mentioned the power play. And there have been a number of games this year where we've come in and said you can see how the flames sag after a shit effort on a power play and the other team gets momentum. You saw it twice, both times leading to goals. Twice. Twice.

You come right out of the box and it's in their net within 30 seconds. So it's the exact thing we've been talking about and you had it happen twice. And not just gaining momentum, but scoring off of your power play. Yeah. It's, and you know what? I don't know enough about power plays like to assign blame. There's enough talent there. And I know under previous regimes,

assistant coaches would be getting crushed for this kind of production. We're not seeing enough. I don't see enough. It's too static. And I get that the players have some responsibility. I'm also not seeing, you know, I remember when Marty Jellano was at a coaching conference that I MC'd and he talked about a pass to one person and right back to the same guy

makes that defensive posture so much different. Just the one in and out. In less than a second, you forced a bunch of people to move. There's a lot of standing and holding. I think it could be coached. much better, it certainly could be executed better. I don't think we're watching, you know,

the savants of coaching on power play here. And whether that's Daryl taking over someone else's file or Kirk Muller or whoever the responsibility falls, there's room for improvement on that side. Alex, can you throw that board up one more time? For those that are just listening on the podcast, here we have the visual. You just look at the numbers on the left,

the power play 25th, shooting percentage 30th. So I don't know what you... Well, that's quality of shots not great. Right? Like we've talked about quantity over quality for so long. Also probably some like, damn it feels like the puck luck's not great.

And I think mostly it's bad volume, but I think there's also some puck luck in there. But that one second from the bottom, and not to pile on, but everything else just feels like your waist and your breath. if you have a save percentage on 889 save percentage, your 28th overall in that category, you're just not going to win.

No. You can talk about power plays or efforts or chemistry or line combos and all of that. If you have the 28th worst save percentage, they're fortunate to be where they are. Well, think about it. How many one-goal games do they play with that goaltending? It's wild.

I'll say it again. Of all the things, Everything that the upheaval and everything that happened in the offseason, whether you thought they were going to be better or worse and they'd miss Johnny, you could check that whole thing. The last thing on my mind, or on my list of concerns, was, is the goaltending going to be okay? That was the last thing I was worried about. Of course it's going to be okay.

Vladar looks really good and you've got Markstrom. They're going to, those guys will win you games, right? How many games would they single-handedly win you? it's been the 180. How many have they lost you? Can you think of a game where it's been where you've said Jacob Markstrom won them that hockey game? Not many.

He helped on Saturday, but that's a small list. Zero shoutouts this year, nine last year. And you had eight in the first half, I'm correct. So 18 points. Yeah, you're not going to lose. 18 total, like 18 points out of your standings. Yeah. And that's why this group's so frustrating

because if they did get goaltending and the power play was even just middle third of the league, it's tough not to see them in a home ice spot. That's how weak the Pacific is and how much one goal hockey they've played with bad goal tending and a power play that hurts more than it helps. It feels like they should decline power plays at this point.

We haven't critiqued the power play enough and you're absolutely right. It's brutal. And I wasn't on the power play so I probably don't give it as much attention as I should, but are they changing it? Have they tweaked it? I see back on the odd time standing in front.

Do I like that? I don't know. I mean, it's pretty nuanced, right? I feel like the power. Yeah, I feel like the power play has to run through Huberto. I don't know that it does.

I mean, we had, oh my gosh, what's his name? He was, Verstigue on the other show years ago. He said, we got to have a shot. The stick's got to be in the middle of the ice to be shooting that.

I don't even know if they're set up the right, Lloyd. Yeah. Well, and they switched their units coming out of the break. That was a big thing, too. They've left the Peltje, a cadre,

Uberto line as one of the groups out there. and that was a big shuffle because now that's Lindholm and Tofoli with Manjapani. They've done a big change. It just hasn't worked. I like the points for trying something new, but take the points away,

it might be worse than the one we watched before the change. And it feels like the only one that's scoring is to foley on that off wing. And that's, I mean, that's great. And you're happy for him. And at least he's scoring some of those,

on some of those shots. But it doesn't, you don't even get moment. No, it's the opposite to Dean's point. They're now sapping momentum with their power plays and teams are immediately capitalizing after them. That one power play, it was so predictable. Connectney knew exactly where it was going. He just skated to an open area and they just dropped it right to him or it was,

he read it perfectly. It was hilarious. Yeah. That was the drop pass that didn't work. The drop pass that didn't work. Yeah. Oh, man. So I am conflicted.

I am conflict because like you say, Red, if you get better goaltending, 18 points, you're talking about a team, you're not wondering if they're going to make the playoffs. They would be very healthy in a playoff spot. And then you could look at other things. But I just, there's just,

I just come back to it. There's just something not right about the team as a whole. And in a way that they're fighting for a playoff spot is a testament to what's there. Totally. And that, how could you not be frustrated? Like you say something's not right.

How about losing a lot when you expected to win a lot? That adds up to being not right. I think this group was very right six games into the year. And then they lose one game to Edmonton and all the lines get thrown in the bladder and it feels like Daryl's oversteering. And I'm not saying the season falls apart there. But I mean, since then they've been a bad hockey team. And that's wearing on these guys.

Like we watch Markstrom. Like I mentioned it on Afterburner last night. There's some very Mike Smith vibes after goals now, where he's eyeballing defensemen, palms to the ceiling. That's a frustrated guy. That's not a, hey, let's just ride this out. And I know he's intense and competitive, but like it's more than we've seen in his time in Calgary.

And that speaks to the level of frustration that has to be not just in the crease, but the whole roster. Well, I said it after that, that Ottawa goal, the overtime winner in Ottawa, You could see how it went in short side, bad goal, and how he just kind of slouch. Just stood up and skated off. So, yeah, yeah. Resigned to the fact it was going to happen.

So what do you do, Rhett? 44 is in that locker room. Brett Warner, you're 28 years old. You're a veteran. What do you do with this team? Do you lock the door or kick the coaches out? Do you take it? What do you do?

It's too f and late for that. honest to God, like it's it's too late. Like they've they you never want to. You're not throwing in the towel, but having a screaming match now. If they've waited to this point that they didn't care enough. Yeah. They didn't know what they're doing. Yeah.

Like so now somebody's going to step all. I've had it off. It's time to get going. Uh, your 60 games into the season. Now's the time to rally the troops. What have absolutely. You've.

what have we seen the closed door meeting have we heard the players like normally in when seasons like this unfold where a team with high expectations you know stumbles mightily and is well below everyone thought we hear the oh after the game there was a closed door meeting and whether those work or not i don't know but at least speaks to a level of we've got to change this have we had that this year i can't recall one at least that was public it doesn't mean it hasn't happened haven't heard of about one so i mean we're not privy to that information if they have done it typically they don't work anyway but they certainly at least show that there's some sure you care factor like yeah right like if they haven't done it you know you think think about it right now what are they

57 games into the year middling at best have squandered opportunities left right and center and now you're going to have a meeting and say you care about it? I mean, I guess better late than never, but what the hell were you waiting for? Yeah, I suppose. But that aside, because they are, they are right there for a play.

I think it's frustrating, Dean. I don't know what you say. I don't know what you say to a group like this. Part of the problem is it's a veteran group. They shouldn't have to be coddled or told how to perform and play professionally. Your goaltending stinks. well what's a player going to do call out markstrom

goleys are weird right you they got to find their own way sometimes and typically yes exactly typically players don't get in a way of goalies you you got to let them find their own path out of it so i would have a hard time the rangers game i actually i think i'm talking to about the fight game yeah and in new york most emotion weeds two weeks ago yeah yeah may have lost seen for months yeah on the flyers uh saturday decent but it's gonna sound stupid but a fight running of the goalie a drag you you need a bunch of guys to get out of character and play gritty and gross and i said last there has to be a rally cry Friday i said it yeah something has to galvanize this group into becoming and caring about each other and and picking up the whatever the battle flag and wanting to accomplish but there doesn't seem to be a a concerted effort to figure that out I mean they're struggling and this but there has to be a lightning rod something that sets this team ablaze and gets them fired up and I know I don't know

what that's going to be. They've had lots of chances for it. The Truba hits, Rasmus getting clunked by a vehicle in Detroit. Like, there's all kinds of rally around opportunities here. They just haven't made the most of them. And every time we see one, we're like, here it is. And then the next game they're out flat. And you talked about back-to-back wins or you were about to earlier.

It's like they, for whatever reason, they can't string positive results together as good as they do look when they're right. Yeah, it's been almost a month, whatever it is since they went back-to-back. And I mean, you're right, Rhett, and I think that's, I, you would know because between junior and pro, you've been in so many rooms and you would have seen this, that the word galvanizing, that's what it is. And maybe, like, those are, those are instances where it could be, right? Yeah, it's an opportunity for that, yeah.

I think it's, it doesn't have to be an on ice or a, or a hockey thing. It could be anything, right? Well, Brett said last week, it's Gloria coming on on the road when the blues are in a losing streak and they make it their theme song and away they go they rally around it. It's just, you know, there's been events where they could have. They just haven't. But to your point, it doesn't have to be on the ice. And sometimes it's management. Sometimes management gives, yeah, here's a player. Or trade this guy out of your room. Or it's, the coach is saying, this is our guy, we're riding them for two weeks. Yeah, I don't know. Like for all the,

they're not getting goal 10, Dan Vlodar is 10, 2, and 3 in his last 15. I still believe that and Pindermak, that's true. Ladar should have maybe have more rope here and get more games and maybe we'd be feeling different about things. The issue I have, and I've said it, I always say it, and it doesn't always hold true, but Brower, Troy Brower, comes to Calgary, why? Well,

talk to money. Final contract, big money. How many guys are here doing that? Quite a few. But it's not the guys that are the problem. I mean, they certainly, no, that's not true. There's been some guys that have struggled mightily, but I don't look at like, you know, Jacob Marksman could have signed anywhere.

This wasn't like take the money. He took less money to be here. His problems are different than take the money problems. But with, with cadre, Euberto and Uyghur, these are guys that have probably signed the last deals of their career, right? I agree with that. And they've all been less than expected to differing degrees.

Tanev? Yeah, and Tenev's not been a problem. I don't think TANV. We like TANF. But, well, he's not been a problem, but has he been the solution? Like, it's easy to go, well, he's not a problem. But no, you brought him into fucking solve problems. You're supposed to be a leader.

And if Darrell's being a prick, he should be one going into Daryl's room, say, get out of here. He's not. And I'm not saying TANF's the issue. Markstrom's the same thing. He might have got more money. My point is they're building retirement homes. Right? And that's a figure of speech.

No, I'd say that's exactly. Their mindset. Right? That's what James Neal was. Michael Backlens played, yeah, Michael Backlens played real good. He's been here his whole life.

Do you think Michael Back, I mean, but Michael Backlens' focus is on staying at Calgary Flame, getting another contract and riding, not writing it out, but it's not about winning a Stanley Cup. Is he in the media going,

well, if I'm not going to win here, I'd like to go somewhere else, and is he, and you think that Michael Backlund's in the background going, Hey, Brad, if it's not going to work out here, can I, can you get me to a team where I got a chance to win? If it happens, it'll be next year. It doesn't make Michael Baclin a bad guy. You can praise him for his loyalty and this and that, but it can be a look into what's important for these guys, right?

And I don't care. Michael Backland can be Michael Backel. That's his prerogative, but is winning all that's important right now is cod. is focused on winning this year as he was last year with colorado in the last year of his contract no damn way no damn way has he been okay yeah he went to the all street tanav you brought it up well is tanav doing it's hard to question tanav become because he comes with the he'll play at all costs he's a grinder he's a worker he's battler he's a you know he's a sacrificer and it's hard to question that but is he doing everything over and above to help this team win i don't know i think when you brought him in he focused on watson yeah luci just get rid of james neal i i i yeah like it's lesser two evils but it's still but it's still but again i'm just all i'm saying is there's a lot of guys that can go home and not feel too stressed out about where they are they might not be enjoying the season

but they can look in their bank and they can look in their house and they can look at their lifestyle and And they can go, me. It was, I forget who it was that told me in terms of putting a roster construction and putting a team together, along the lines of, you're probably not desperate to eat and fight for scraps when you're already full. And that's, you're right, Rhett, it's at the end of the season comes. Maybe some guy, for some guys, I've already got my cup ring. I've already got my paycheck.

I've already, I'm sure everybody has, their own their own thing but i i i feel like i know i if you're making that seven eight nine million a year what's from the next yeah where's life going sideways on you oh shit we lost oh well we're going to phoenix tomorrow i am like you know the wife's happy kids i've driven great car life's pretty good i know the people it's not always about money and lifestyle and all that but I think when you have a number of those guys, and that is what you have right now, I don't think it's, yeah, I agree.

I don't think it's, I don't think it's a good, a good situation. Well, and the catch is that it's, they only have to be 10% off to not be successful. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It doesn't mean complete, throw in the towel and on a shift to shift basis.

just not even skate, right? Like, that's not what you're talking about. But if you don't have that five, I'm just using 10% as a simple number. It's a tiny amount. If you don't have that, yeah, right? Like, if you don't have, you know, the 110%, well, you're not getting it done.

You're not going to get it done. The game is too hard. When you're 90%, you better be damn good to think that your 90% is going to be better than the other team's 100. I think there's absolutely some validity to them. the point you're making, I wouldn't say that Markstrom's got his feet up. I think he's almost the opposite. He's wearing this too much. And I don't think Backlin and Tanna have are anywhere

near the top of the list of problems. But I think it does speak volumes to like, where's Nassum Kodry at? Where are Huberto and Wigger at? You know, there are a lot of those guys that has been a group that's had to be recrafted overnight. And so I think there's a lot of merit to what you're saying. There's also been some guys that have come by a free agency that I don't worry about. Like Chris Tanna's the last guy I worry about. You're having no grades when you sign that guy what you thought and what you've got. Like it's A plus.

It's not like, this isn't Troy Brower. Like, nah. But I think if you, to your point, there's some other guys you wonder about. How about Dennis Killow? I loop them all together and I do it.

I do it too much and Pinder argues with me about it because it does, both sides can be right on this. But like with Tannave, I bring it up again is that you're right. You say he's a plus. But why did you, bring them in.

He brought him in to help you win playoff series. Yeah. And when he's not in the dog shit, like we've seen the record, it's not like he's not contributing. All his fault? No, but,

right? Yeah. Do you know what's funny though? Like, Hanifin's one year away from free agency. I think he's been solid. Lynn Holmes one year away from free agency. He's been very not who we thought he was.

To Foley's one year away and he's been very good. Like one of their most good. Backland. a very good season from him. It's a very, and honestly, all these things are true, but if they get league average goaltending,

where are they in the standings? How much betters morale? All those same things are true. And what's more important? Can I, so a couple things. What the hell was Haniffin doing on that goal last night?

So the switching D on the first goal? Was it power put? It was the switching D on the last goal, wasn't it? Well, it's connecting the first goal. Where he has shuffles. And then he skates. by him.

He switches with erasmus on the first goal. Yeah. Yeah. And that was, I think, no, no, not, you're not talking with that one,

though. Okay. No. No. And maybe, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it wasn't Hanefin, but it came out to the point,

and he just touched it back in a little bit to no one. And then watched the guy skate by him. And I was, I thought it was Hannafin, but maybe it wasn't. So Dorov's the one that gets caught lying down on the, the last goal. That was.

Weaker misplay at the line. Paltje has to cover for him. And then there's a Weiger out there. Yeah. Man, Weiger is wild because the mistakes all end up in his name. Anyway. And then it's like he won't allow shots for many shifts in a row. It's like it's it is quite the dichotomy. What do you want from this team?

I want to see he's like. You talk about to Foley. Well, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait. you talk about to foley he would be a movable asset oh big time you get there's lots of guys you get lots for i i just think and do you want to ride it but but that's my point they have to be having these internal discussions do they not problem might be is i don't know if tree and darrell are talking well and even tree in the owner think as an organization

yeah there has to be internal discussions i i pray there's internal discussions going on because if there's not what they somebody please tell me what direction this team's going in i will remember when they didn't trade geo a couple years ago and it was appalling to a few of us pender you being one me being another some people are like well you can't trade them which is really you're losing for nothing instead of trading them what the hell are you doing but if they've exactly if that's the same approach that they're going to have this trade deadline what the eff are we doing so the difference is that they don't have a significant player expiring that's worth a lot there's a lot of guys that expire next year as we talked about six key guys three really good D and three

really good forwards are all up next year so uh they're not at a spot where they're going to lose a guy for nothing um and so i could certainly be convinced to shed one of these parts of the deadline uh i don't know that this is the best climate to sell a guy with a year extra of term in the sense that if you try to to get next year you can eat some salary and really get a haul whereas everyone's gummed up with with questions about the cap for next year i don't know that anyone wants to you Once the second year of Tofoli as badly as they might want them at half price next year, I think you still have a lot of assets that are worth a lot next year if this thing falls apart like it is this year. Five games before the trade deadline at Arizona, at Vegas, and then at Colorado,

you wrap the month with a home game against Boston and then you host Toronto the day before the deadline. Is it the deadline the third? Am I crazy? Doesn't that... Is that not the third? And I don't disagree with you there, Penner. You know, with those contracts having another year. And it's just, I don't know how I'm going to feel going in.

If they don't do stuff, and I'm sure they will, some ways, something's going to happen before the start of the next year. But if you miss the playoffs this year and you don't make trades at this trade deadline and you're going into next year with a full roster, basically, are we going to be content starting next year with a similar cast of characters? I mean, yeah, like the expectations would not be good at all, but that's kind of where these teams have been good. Every year we think they're going to get these.

And what's the drag on the, what's the drag on the whole? I mean, if they can't pull themselves out of it now, they're going to go through an off season and show up training camp again with a bunch of guys that didn't, they couldn't win with or find a way to, to play consistent, hard-nosed competitive hockey last year. And all of a sudden, that's going to change, you know, for next year.

doesn't make sense. I think if we look at the two issues that statistically have killed them the most, it's power playing goaltending. So goaltending is volatile. Maybe you get a way to get Dustin Wolf up. Maybe these guys bounce back. Maybe Vladar is the one next year.

We don't know there. You could certainly bring in someone else to coach PowerPlay. Again, that's what's so frustrating about this group. It's talented roster. I think if you spin the season a few times, there's a couple years where this team's really good. Like they just haven't had goaltending and power play.

Is Winnipeg? a good example of just totally hold fast? Well, they didn't change their coach. It wasn't hold fast, right? But it's the same roster. And their goaltender bounced back. You went from 905 to like 930 or whatever.

Like it's, yeah, of course things are better in Winnipeg. And sometimes you chalk it up to all these intangibles that you can't measure. It's like, well, shit, they just weren't getting saves. They're coach. Coach is a big one too. Just defensively, they're much better. And what about Seattle? Winnipeg, coach.

Which Seattle? The one that can't win the last month or the one that was in first place a month ago? The one that's, they're not, they're getting more saves, but middle of the pack is goaltending. They're, they're ahead of the flames by a good chunk. Yeah. And if the flames are a goaltending, that wouldn't be the case, right? So, uh, we have a few, we're going to have a special guest join us here in studio in a little bit right now, though. And this is not, you know, I feel bad for McLeod Law.

Because McLeod Law, you know, they're, they're proudly Calgarian. They love taking care of Calgarians. It's, it's, it's, you're a, if you're an entrepreneur, you're trying to, this is, this is the people that they want to help. They want to be on your side and they will be on your side. And they want to celebrate, you know, flames. Good vibes. You know, maybe, uh, remember when, you know, we had the Red Mile and Kipper was great and all that sort of thing. McLeod Law, you know, flames history, kind of celebrate that. Uh, there's something I'm going to bring up today because it's somewhat timely. And I think we were there. Really? The, the, It was February, well, let me take you back. Remember when Vegas joined the league? Their first visit in Calgary, four to two, they beat the flames January 30th, 2018. Okay.

Then February 21st, on this date in 2018, the first visit of the Calgary Flames at the T-Mobile Arena in Vegas. It was 1-0-228 in. It was Carp Dog. Ryan Carp. The carp dog. Future flame. That's right. Future Forever a flame. Because that was, remember back, it was Vegas, they're going to score in the first three to five minutes for sure. It's just, they're going to be up one nothing. The first 10 minute's goal made people rich. The building's just, your chest is going to be thumping or you're going to feel your lungs vibrating from the noise in there. Mm-hmm. Uh, one nothing, then the flames tied at at one. Then it was two to one Vegas, flames tied at two. Then it was three to two Vegas. The flames would tie it at three. I believe in that game. I believe in that game. Cuch got into it with Mark Andre Flurry. Remember they were kind of going at each other. Flurry got a penalty in that game actually. They would then score, they being Vegas, four unanswered and won that game seven to three on this date, the first visit of the Calgary Flames.

We were staying at the, was it the Hard Rock Hotel? New York, New York, New York, thank you. I was confused. It was New York, New York, you're right, with the great place and the buildings. That's right. And I believe we were right in the middle of Winter Olympic time because we had the epic Peter Labardius call on the morning show. as some professionals, I guess, combed over the lobby when we were up very early in Vegas.

And it was the mom's trip for the Calgary Flames Dean. And all the moms, oh, Mrs. Godrow, Mrs. Monaghan, Mrs. Bennett, oh, they're out having in time. And the boys are like, where's mom? Can we make sure she gets to bed? And they didn't get, what, one shot or no shots in the first 11 minutes of that game? It was a rough start.

They were absolutely embarrassed in front of their bleeping mothers in Vegas. There was no excuse because their moms are there. They weren't out howling at the moon. This wasn't the Vegas flu. I remember that one because by that time, we'd all seen what was going on in Vegas with the pregame, night coming out to Center Ice and doing all that stuff.

And I just remember sitting or standing because we were in that one suite. I remember looking at you, retro was like, this, this ain't the saddle dome. It was so bloody loud in there. And truly, the base and the noise, you could feel your diaphragm, your chest, I don't know. It's a nightclub.

I can only imagine. how the old blue hairs at the dome would feel if that was what it was like for a game-by-game atmosphere here in Calgary. You can't. It's not Vegas. They would ask. That's just, that's why Vegas is Vegas. That's why Nashville is Nashville. They're unique because that is the norm. On that night, Vegas hit 84 points and that was a new record for points by an expansion team passing the 93-94 Florida Panthers.

So you're saying at the tail end of February, they set a new record. That's correct. Yeah. So they still had all of March and half of eight. And that 84 points set a new record. It also gave them the NHL overall point lead. Jeez.

Expansion team first in the overall standings. George McFeed in February. Did some work. I think that Vegas team would be this year's Vegas team. And you want to talk about, because we talked about it at the time. Here's some misfits and outcasts and all that coming together. You want to talk about a team that had chemistry and had an identity that loved one another.

Well, and an event to rally around. that horrible shooting at that country event that was held outside the hotels on the strip. I mean, all those ingredients that Rets talked about, not that you want something tragic to happen, but it was an event that people could rally around. That was the tightest group

in the league that year. They losing the final to Ovi. They had a real bond those guys. Five games against Kentucky? Five. I don't know. You know exactly what it was. I don't know what it was. I was happy to Roe. Winnipeg. They were all scared of them.

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But certainly with Peter Klein, it's about helping you chase down your personal injury claim. He said something interesting when we were there that, you know, if you're in the firm chatting and like clearly you're under some stress, this isn't like the best time of your life. Something's happening where you need legal help. You're probably not in, you know, hey, this is my third day at the all-inclusive in the Dominican. It's different vibes. And he said, you know, there's lots of lawyers that can do. the work, but we try to understand that when people are coming in here, they're under a lot of

stress as a rough time. We're trying to help them. Yeah, you feel like you've probably been kind of getting ganged up on a little bit. Run over maybe. Who wants, who wants your, insurance company? Who wants to take your side? That guy, right there. Peter Klein does. McLeod-dashlaw.com. I think we're going to take a break and we'll get our guests set up. Before we do that, a couple of things. We're going to do the Pinda Report momentarily. Congrats to Rachel. Rachel, who is on the Instagram at

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night, a matinee for the kids. Nothing like bringing your youngsters through the game and watching a fight less than two minutes in. Hey, Dane. Great start for the Calgary Flames. Maybe one of the best first periods of the season. They trialed one-nothing at the end of 20 minutes. There's a lot more on this game on a little show called After Burner. Some people call it a jinx. We call it a show. Here's a little sampling from last night's after burner. Following another loss to a bottom dweller for three to the Flyers. Wasn't good, wasn't it?

No, we don't have the clip. No, we don't have the clip. All right. So we don't have the clip. You mentioned it earlier. There's quite a list growing of goaltenders that you might not have heard of before this year, even at earlier points in time this year that the flames have fallen to. Let's have a peek at the recent list, which is certainly not pretty.

No, it doesn't mean these guys don't play well, and they might be very good goalies down the road. But look at the last five goalies they've lost to. Erson, Helberg, Sogard, Halak, who's actually pretty good. And Jackson, not Jacob, Stobber. So it's not the who's who. It's a backup in New York who's quite good. And four guys that you didn't know for sure would be in the league right now at the beginning of the year. None of them would be top two on the depth chart.

It also goes to show you what other teams think of the flames. Now, granted, Halak, that's on the back-to-back. And maybe some of these others, it was two, you know, two games and two nights. I don't know. Well, injury in Ottawa, injuries in Chicago, back-to-back for the Rangers. I don't, you can't speak to Detroit, but it was a back-to-back as well. In Erson, 5-0, back-to-back coming out. I don't know.

They don't have to back-to-back. Weird. There's a bigger list, too, Dean. It's not just the last five games. it's been all near as they're they're they're placing a magnifying glass on the great young goaltenders in the n hl ericomrie joey decord kevin lankin and antiranta jake allen twice alice mers lincoln spencer martin thomas grice phoenix coplay steylock stobber halak sogard elberg errs all those guys outplayed jacobart michael marshall like

Maybe it was. Which one hurts the most there? Is it Spencer Martin? I feel like they had Mad Soberg right in the crosshairs. Sogarde, yeah. Choked up to whatever his name. Stauber was tough. There's a lot of tough ones.

It'd be tough to rank those, Dean. I'm going to be honest. Real tough. Real tough. Good stuff. And just in case, you're thinking, don't worry. They're going into Arizona. Well, we're glad you're out of your coma.

But in this season, actually, Flames fan, they have a tough time with the worst teams in the league, or at least teams you might take for granted. And careful now, because look at the Yotes. 13, 8, and 2 at Mollett Arena. Business in the front, party behind the rink.

They've been doing all right in the junior size barn. Careful. Everything's careful. There's no points given in this. Why are we there? Yeah, who do we blame here? We should be there. Can you blame you?

You blame Ratt? Right? I believe. Rett said no. Can we blame Ratt? No. Yeah, right. I don't say no to Arizona.

Here's a look at the standings. It's not a pretty pitcher after you lose ground on the wild and don't get two points yesterday. They're now two back and Minnesota has a game in hand. Not ideal. Schedule upcoming. Is Nashville have a... Nashville's got three.

Better win percentage now? No, they're behind. But if they win all their games in hand, they'd be ahead of the flames. So if they play a thousand hockey in their games in hand, they'd pass the flames. Which is three games. I like the goal-tending better.

Here's the schedule. End of the month in the beginning of March. You noted it. Five games till the deadline that falls March 3rd. And there are two games against Minnesota over the course of four nights. One here, one on the second half of a back-to-back on the road. Those will go a long way in determining where you're at. You wish those Minnesota games were ahead of the deadline, Dean.

It's unfortunately after the deadline. I think, yeah, I know the point you're making. They won't need the Minnesota games to decide. Well, I mean, it might be irrelevant. We talked about it two weeks ago. Where are they going to be the deadline? Say, well, probably where they are now. It's kind of what's been the case.

We looked at this month coming into it. And you knew that it was going to get, by the time you got to Vegas, Colorado, Boston to end, the soft part was done. It ends with this Arizona game. So far through this soft part, you've gone two, three and two. But guess what the good news is?

They actually play like shit against the soft part and they're good against the hard parts of the schedule. For whatever reason. Can't wait for that Boston game. So excited. Yeah, Boston, Toronto. That's a whole different level. Colorado?

Heck yes. Perfect. Okay, let's go to the NHL. Rhett, guess who was the second player to 40 goals in the NHL yesterday? 40 goals. Going to get paid this summer. That's your clue. To catchuck.

Not to catch up. He got paid last summer. It's David Pasternack. that's going to get paid this summer. He was sensational last night. Two goals in a Bruins win, including the game winner, and just another six shots on net for him. Here's what was the game winner.

Zink, and that was after Charlie McAvoy completely turns a guy inside out at the point. Posting probably got a great shot at being the highest paid player in the NHL. So again, that team here next week. There you go. Exciting. Can't wait. Better the team, better they play. It plays will be unreal.

Ryan O'Reilly got traded on Friday, night. Nothing like that Friday night news drop, hey? But people love this in Ontario. And now that Ryan's, Ryan O'Reilly's a leaf, we get to hear everything about him, right? You know what color underwear he wears? Look, we're going to meet his dog here. No one met his dog in St. Louis. Dog was a little upset about it. Everyone, it's Ryan O'Reilly here. I'm here with my dog, Pam. Pam, you want to say hi? Okay. You hear the growl? Hi, Pam. Also, you know you're new on the team when you go to give yourself the old, uh,

cold water shower, but it's actually the bio steel shower. I saw that. Your new guy. Yeah. He doesn't know the water from the juice. He'll figure it out. He'll figure it out. And hit a cross brother the other night, help her more on O'Reilly and our

way bounce of the day later. Other action. Connor Hellebuck. I like, I like O'Reilly, but I don't want to cheer for him as a leaf. Although Geo's still there and I feel bad about you. I'm really in a conundrum. I'm a real conundrum.

Oh, boy. That's pink. That's not clear. Whoops. Well, I was going to ask you because I think what this is the third straight year, the Leafs have picked up a captain at the deadline. It was Felino last year. I forget who the head.

Well, it would have been geo, I guess, before. St. Louis didn't have a problem trading their captain, hey? Free agent. Got to get them out, get some assets. Not every team. It's not that easy sometimes. You have a captain. You can't trade those guys.

I feel like it was the exact same spot. You were on the outside looking in. One team was honest. The other one wasn't. So it's possible that we could have had a first, round pick right now. At least a second. To use whatever way we saw.

Could be a player on the roster right now. That was years ago. Chase. Hellabuck, good. Having a monster year, Dino. 50 saves on the road last night as part of a back-to-back for the Jets who win against the very good New York Rangers who picked up points in eight straight.

One of the best performances of his career says this beat reporter. And you want a little more on Hellebuck? Well, here's him post game. He didn't seem too fuss about it. 50 saves, dude. Come on. Guys, we let me see Pucks there battling on rebound, so, you know, it was a pretty routine night. Pretty routine night. 50s.

Guys, let me see Pucks there battling on rebound, so, you know, it was a pretty routine night. You want to know? They let me wear so much gear. You know, like my pads and everything is so big. It's kind of not fair. I feel bad for the shooters, frankly. Well, you want to see where the shooters are shooting from. Don't feel too bad for them because this is quite the heat map.

That on the left is Hallibax Night. It's just darking on the right. Are you kidding me? the red ones go in. Look at all the action around the net. Hallibuck. Besna? Srokin can say something with that.

I don't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit. We'll move along. You know what you do give a shit about is Salt Lake City and a good night out in Utah. Here's Charles Barkley and Shaq, our favorite sports commentators commenting on getting out,

having some fun. SLC. Woo! Or maybe not because it's Salt Lake City. These people go into heaven up this way. Ain't nothing to do with it. Now it's boring. It's a great.

It's a great city. It's a great city. It's a great. It's a great city, but ain't nothing to do here. These people all go into heaven. Oh, my gosh. I've never ate so much room service in my life. Can't smoke, can't drink.

These people are going to heaven. Where they go to? They're going to heaven. One more time? Yeah. They're going to heaven. They go to heaven. Can't get in trouble in Salt City.

I don't know if you saw it on the weekend. Patrick Mahomes has a uncannily uncanny similarity to one of our favorite fictional athletes. You probably saw this. Oh yeah. It's unbelievable. This is. Yeah, no. So we started off. They actually threw a nice party for us at the hotel. The chain smokers came through. DJ Collett came through. I had the goddamn spoon man from the sound garden videos coming to my shit. No way. Oh yeah. Talking six grills burning at all times. Tiki torches. three whole pigs fucking shit loads of macaroni and cheeses baked potatoes

collared greens a horse fucking Puerto Rican chicks showing their pussies and tits off everywhere you can't beat that man every genre of music you need right there It's unbelievable It's really good I'm sorry about the language red I had to show you that

Yeah sorry rat I know you don't like cursing Kenny powers I favorite shows John Rom won again That's a good six weeks for the Spaniard He just made 9.4 million.

Six weeks. What? Six weeks. And yeah, it was a hit in L.A. Because Tiger was back and there's some money in golf all of a sudden. All you need it is the Saudis to start up a league. And all of the money in PGA. We're not,

like we found out of the mattress. Another 18 million. What the. Finally, couple items to close on. You didn't close on the Mahomes? We got better. Okay.

Because we got big news coming up. announced this morning, Flames Nation, we got a new villain in town. Is that right? You got a sting jumping back. Look at this. Rob Kerr. Just a game three times a week.

That's right here on Flames Nation. You got to read the tweet. For people that are just listening, I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I just said Rob Kerr, proud to join the Nation Network and join and host, just a game with Rob Kerr three times a week. Really? Amazing.

And the more things change, the more things stay the same. Because remember when you didn't want to wake up early and you, yeah. Let's see the tweet from. Oh, did you grab it again? Yeah. 2 a.m. Dean up again, tweeting rather than sleeping. You know you're not at the station at 3.30 anymore.

Four. You can feel free to hit that snooze button. 143 this morning. 143. So the more they changed, the more they stay the same. I guess so. Sorry about that. And it's weird.

Like the, you come into the room and you can tell the mornings that there's a 2 a.m. tweet. It's just like one word answers, little rain cloud, grumpy. Don't want to talk about it. Communication drops to about a 1 out of 10. Hang on. Now, if you're up at 1.45, okay, I can't get back to sleep. This is the shits. Blubble.

And I'm not taking a gummy and boom's going to be stubborn and not try to sleep. He'd rather just be miserable. But, Ryan, this is a question for you. If you got up at 1.45, first of all, you wouldn't. But if you did, you know, like do you get up? Do you make French toast? Do you make bacon and eggs? Do you have a breakfast?

And then, you know, maybe do some tweeting and some research. Spend an hour at the gym or maybe riding your bike or getting some sort of fitness. I mean, literally that person beside you there, he could get up, have a full day or four or five hours away, could get a whole. whole shitload done and actually get back to bed for a two hour nap if he chose. Yeah, shovel the walk if you want. Would you do that? Right? No, my answer would be not safe for work or what I do if I'm waking up at 145 in the morning.

Hey, everyone's wired differently. Right? Like, there's time to get in a nap in between 1.45 and 1045. Is it a certain? What is that? Are we done? That's your pin. Dean, have you tried the new, they've got those, those. ear, it's not, you know,

we're like hands on, or I do. And it's not, it's kind of like a headband. And they've got a noise system in there that's supposed to help you sleep. It covers your eyes. Like, have you tried these things? What about my mask? I'm going to get you a Cleopatra mat.

Yeah. You want the mask? No, get one of those Star Wars masks. Those look down real. Don't need a storm trooper mask. No, he'd rather get up at one,

he'd rather get up at 145. He doesn't want any help. He's content with it. I know what's helpful. Helping it. Tweeting at 2 a.m. Certainly is helping. Well, you saw 143.

Well, that's what they say. Pull out your phone if you can't sleep. Make sure you stare at your device before bed and as soon as you wake up. No. Absolutely. It was 143. I tweeted at 207. I'd thrown the towel in by then.

I'm like, I'm not getting back. How many Paltan rides this morning? Three. Are you done? I'm done. That's Village Honda. Thank you very much.

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The King of Afternoon Radio in Calgary is back. Rob Kerr in studio. Coming up. Heal. Stay there. Total heel. Big time heel. Coming back.

Get some coffee. And just a quick break. Thanks for allowing us that. We're here in the Tower Chrysler Studios. You talk about Memory Lane. Now, I'm a little foggy, but I'm going to say it was probably around 0203. I'm working in Red Deer and listening to 960 radio. And there's not a lot going on.

There's, there's a morning show, and then there's kind of a lot of canned stuff, and then there's an afternoon show. I remember I was driving home from a Flames game one night, and the post game show ended by the time I got to Airdrie. And I was saying, I'm going to listen to the post game show and all that all the way home to Red Dair. It was done by Airdre. What are they doing? And then I remember there was a job posting on MilkBan.

Unlimited. Yeah, it was afternoons at what was then Fan 960. I'm like, oh, why do I get that job? And I heard through the grapevine that a guy from Edmonton had applied for the job. And when I heard who it was, my default was, and I'm not even trying to butter him out. I was like, oh, well, that's the right guy. Jobs, that's the guy for the, he's the guy to hire because he was doing late night stuff in Edmonton on a Christian station. It had no business being where it was or being a thing at all,

but yet he made it a thing. It was energetic and it was exciting radio. Then this guy starts in Calgary doing afternoons and to say that he changed the afternoon show would be selling it short. He changed that whole station and how shows were constructed, how you just everybody, you had to start putting more thought into how you were doing things. And sponsorship expanded and show lengths expanded. And all of a sudden, pregame shows were not 15 minutes or half an hour. They were an hour or an hour and a half.

And then the post game show, it went till if no one was going to stop him, he wasn't stopping. If they're still calling, I'll keep taking calls. It's 2000. It's the 04 playoffs. And the flames win in Vancouver and fly home.

And he's still on the radio. Craig Conroy calls. I can't believe this. You guys are still on? That game was over hours ago. That's right. And he just, whether it was the draft or the afternoon show or playoffs or whatever it was, he changed it all. The hot stove lounge was never a thing till it was a thing because he made it a thing. And I'm happy to see him here in our studios and welcome him to the Flames Nation family because the king of afternoon radio is. is back and I'll let him kind of explain. It's Rob Kerr and just the game makes its debut today. Yeah. On our Flames Nation right across the board, we'll be going live and obviously podcasts.

We'll have all those details. Yeah. But here you are. I wasn't sure that we'd be doing anything together again. You just don't know how the business works. You don't. You're walking down the street in Mardioupe. and you come across a little sign at a place.

Yeah. You saw that, hey? That's not bad. And then this is what hooked me right there. Because I am very pro-noodle. You want noodles to noodles? It's close. Yeah.

So I said, I'll do this if I can do it from the Ouddle Noodle Studio. Right. And here we are. Here it is. And here we are. Yeah. That's a little smooth, right? So the show begins, now this has been in the works for a while.

Yeah. When did we first have a conversation? First time, because it's taken a while. I say probably before the departure for you guys. And then it got in earnest after that. At least we explored or had that conversation. I think we were all kind of going through the, what is the next generation of sportscasting going to be?

because clearly it's evolving, it's, you know, it's adapting, it's changing. And, you know, I know I certainly took a look at some really neat opportunities and great opportunities and, you know, safe to say you were courted. They came hard after you and they got you guys. And then I would say it really took off for earnest after I popped in in November and we had a little chat and, you know, got to see what it was all about. And, you know, it's pretty cool. I've been teasing that I'm going home and, you know, for some people, that's one thing.

But this is, this is really me coming home because just a game has got some real significance to me because that was my first ever sports talk show. That's what it was called, just a game with Rob Kerr. It was, everybody's been really nice today. And somebody, somebody brought out there, oh, that's great. Jason Greger's putting something on the flames nation. And I'm like, well, Jason was kind enough to give the name back. Yeah. Back.

Yeah, because he took it after I left. That's where everyone misses. Yeah, everybody misses that part. And then the other part is when I had that show, I was part of a internet startup, any sport anytime.com. And we were broadcasting games and, you know, sprint car racing and high school football and HHL and ACACHL and ACAC hockey and basketball and all of this on real player.

The problem was in, you know, 2001, 2012. two, the internet was still fairly new. And your adoption rates and, you know, sponsors weren't as savvy as they are now. But, I mean, look at what Playmaker Capital views the Nation Network and look at what the Nation Network has done. This is the place to be. This is the place to come and be part of this, I think, is the next generation of sports talk in our country.

So I'm really excited about the opportunity. I know. And we'll probably save some of it for your show. Sure. You must be hard up because you're bringing me on show number one to the United States. You need an assistant. Well, I need someone to book for you. You know, I was talking to the Wolverine.

Yeah. And he said, you know, if we could, if we could do something on that first show that would be explosive right out of the gate. Yeah. And I said, kerboom. And he goes, yes, if it could go bang. And I said, no, kerboom. And that's what we're doing. We're bringing back kerboom for an hour.

I'm excited about that. So did you think that you'd be, because you left, you were doing sports radio. Yeah. You went and did play by play. Yeah. You then came back to radio. kind of begrud. It was,

you know, it was, yeah, and then, and then you left. Yep. Did you think that was it? Yep.

I did. Because I thought it was over for the genre. I thought that, you know, I thought podcasts would fill a void, but I thought the genre had changed, the platform had become more about promotion and more about,

you know, if you're a big corporation using the, you know, the radio kind of leverage the, the shows can leverage the space between the ads. And I, that's how I felt. So not anybody.

else and I'm not putting that on anybody. I've got some friends that are still in radio and God bless them. I missed the true parts of that medium, but I did not count on kind of this evolution and where this has come and the professionalism of all of this and really the consumption. You know, I saw it. When you guys launched, I'll never forget, walking around the office and just seeing the number of people who had it up on their computers. So to me, that was you know, it's a small micro sample size, but it certainly had that, you know, that integration into the market. And that would be the belly of the beast, right?

Because you're talking about CSEC, the flames office. 100%. So, yeah. Yeah. So, no, I did not expect to come back. It was nice. Every once in a while, I'd pop on. You know, you guys go away at the Christmas time.

So I'd pop on. And in the summertime, I'd pop on or whatever and we'd do something. It was good. But no, up until about a year ago, I probably never, I wasn't. planning on coming back. I was planning on going down another path. But, you know, the nice thing about this is I'm being given an opportunity that I never thought I get, which is to do that, but also leaves me time to kind of start my own business on the consulting side, which I'm currently active in. And so it's been a blessing. It's just, yeah, I'm, I'm truly, really, really lucky.

So just a game, three days a week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Yeah. And, you know, or Tuesday. The whole thing. Yeah, right, right. But the whole thing. is almost tailor made for you, and we almost laugh about it, because you can go as long as you want, when you want. Does Tanman know that? Do whatever the topic,

because that was the thing that kind of boxed you in a little bit. Yeah. Was, well, we've got sponsored this, and we got to do promotional that. Well, you can't do this because we're tied in with this. I want to break here. You've got to be back by this time. Yeah.

And you were, you know, there were not, you were shackled by any means, but this is almost ultimate freedom. It is. And that's the word I've used is freedom. And I had that when I started just a game. I feel like I've got that now. I think it's worth noting and I'm very appreciative of, I don't know if we name drop the big guys, but like Jay and Jared have been terrific in this. And I think initially I was coming on the Flames Nation brand, but now I'm on the Nation Network brand because I'm actually going to be a sports talk show. I'm not going to be a hockey show. Lots of hockey. Don't get me wrong. But we are going to get into the same.

CFL. We are going to get into Major League Baseball. We are going to get into the surge and the cavalry and those other stories. And quite honestly, we've got some, I think, some really cool stories to tell about this city. And right now, you know, I think all the time of the original Batman at Jack Nicholson is the Joker and, you know, that line, you know, this city needs an enema. This city needs something right now because it's, it's a little bit down at the lip. It's a little bit limping behind everybody. It's got no heroes. There's a lot of infighting. There's a lot of cat fighting. But honestly, there's also some incredible things going on. So we got to kind of, you know, give it a little energy, give it a little juice, make people proud to be Calgary. You know,

or promote the fact that they're proud to be Calgarians. I don't want to say that everybody isn't, but it's been noticeable in the last four, five, six years. The building, I think the lack of a new building. I think, you know, kind of the way the Olympic thing fizzled out. There's, you know, all kinds of things that, you know, could have brought some prominence back, some Lester back to the community. And it hasn't happened. The field house debacle keeps to continue. So that's one of the things I want to do is certainly tell some of the local stories and, you know, and get out and mix it up and, you know, put the big boy pants on and go out and debate some stuff. So I'm looking forward to it. He's the best at it. I think it all started when Rhett,

left town. It didn't help. That was a huge bowl. I think people look at that. The same way that, you know, the measuring stick in the 80s was when the rats actually left the ship. Yeah. You knew something was wrong, right? So in the, in the case of retro moving to Buffalo. Canary in the coal. People, exactly. People are like, oh, oh, tooth base is out of the tube. Now what do we do? If rats leaving. If rats are leaving, if rats are followed me around. How have they? Oh, I'm sad to hear that. Yeah. I've, Florida and there's, I mean,

I've spent a lot of time with rats. Well, I mean, originally your name with the Saskatoon Blades was the Pied Piper, but here we are. You obviously went away and you did a lot of stuff and you've given back to the community and the province in so many different ways. Do you think that leaving and now coming back, is it more clear that this is a passion of yours and that this is what you should be doing? Yes. Because I feel like this is Rob Kerr. I agree. To me, this is Rob Kerr.

Yeah. And I don't, I don't begrudge you for what you did and you left and you tried different things. I think that's all part of life's grand adventures and it's important to try different things. But when I think of Rob Kerr, I see you behind a mic with your cans on talking. And it gives me goosebumps to think that you're going to come back. And I hope I'm not wrong, but it feels like this is your passion and what you should be doing. Well, I appreciate that, retro. And I hope you're not wrong either.

Yeah, I mean, you can ask, boom, you can ask any of my friends. There are moments, poor Luke Dury over at CSEC, one of the sales guys, or sweet guys. Every once in a while he'd catch me at the coffee machine and he'd say, hey, what did you think of that game? And bang, I'd break out into, yeah, let's do a show right now. How much time you got? Yeah, exactly. So I do feel it is.

I just, you know, like I say, and no, it's not anybody's fault. There's no villain in this. I wrote something on LinkedIn today and I said, you know, Kelly tried hard over there to give me that freedom. He did. But it was the machine and the machine was promote, promote, promote, promote. And I've said it before and I'll say it again. It really struck me. It really felt bad. I felt embarrassed and I felt, you know, kind of just all of those emotions when I'm doing a show on radio and in the commercials, we're promoting a TV show with Tim and Sid, go watch that instead of listen to this. And that, sorry, I, you know, there's a great line. Pat McAfee had it.

you want to be he tweeted it's not his but it really hit home for me you want to be somewhere where you're celebrated not where you're tolerated and i really feel like you know here you guys are celebrated as you should be i've you know i feel that way too so yeah i i do i want to come back i hope i'm not out of step i hope i'm not old news i hope i'm not the old man on the the you know on the step screaming at the clouds i mean there's a lot of cool stuff that's going on at sports and I really want to go after that, but there's also some stuff that's pissing me off. I'll be perfectly blunt.

And we'll get to that. I love it. It's like he's got butterflies again. He's the role. He's stepping into the lineup. This is the magic that he's nervous gets me excited. You know what, Rhett nailed it.

It's, and I, because I chuckled and I talked to him. I'm like, dude, this is, this is what you should be doing. I just kind of shrugged my shoulders. How many times have I touched?

I know. I know, oh, but what do you think? Dude, don't. Like, no. Just do it. Because you were the,

you were the, like no one I've ever seen where as soon as the mics came on it was okay hang on hang on to the table because we're going now we're about to the wheels up here we go and you will not be out of step because you have too much passion for that

I think guys get out a step when they don't give a shit anymore but you give as much a shit as you ever have maybe more so the passion is there I'm happy for you and it's about trying to turned, you know, positives from negatives and that. And as soon as I had heard that you'd been let go, it was like, well, this is, this is

the natural fit. Let's go. And I am pumped to be sitting here today. And I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you and you guys and what you guys have been able to come and do. I mean, we all sat and said, okay, what they've left. Now what happens? And then when you guys, you know, came back with Barnburner, I'll never forget the teaser.

And it's like, holy crap. Okay. And then, yeah, okay, day one rough, but day two was like, you never laugh sort of thing, right? Day one. Sorry, it was not day two. There wasn't, oh, I'm sorry. There was no day one. Was it? Oh, day two. Sorry, I started watching day two. But you know what it reminded me of. And it was, it was like when Stern went to satellite radio and everybody said, okay, hold on, what's that new freedom going to be like? What's that, how does the, you know, how does the, you know, the collar come off, you know, and that sort of thing. And you're kind of always wondering, like, you know, and the first time I came on here, I was able to drop an F-bomb and do all that stuff.

I won't be doing that anymore. I won't. I'm going to try to keep the language on. And there's a good reason. One of our superheroes players, Ty, heard that podcast. He was very upset with me. So we had a conversation about language. So I'm going to try to keep mine in check, and that's for the superhero kids.

So I can't promise, but that's, yeah. But it's always been better than us. No, I'm not better than you. No, no, no, I'm not better than you. I'm following you guys. Well, maybe that, yeah. For sure, that. Rob Kerr, welcome home, buddy.

Thanks, guys. Just a game. Just a game. And just a little under an hour. That's right. Right here on this same bat channel. Take turn. Great logo.

Hey. Look at that. Tyler Tanner. Isn't that incredible? Love it. Thanks, Rob. Thanks, kids. We will do a couple things.

Then we'll get the hell out of the way and make way for just the game. Later this week, we're going to be back at Greigel. casino. You want to join us? Come hang? Yeah. We'll be down there watching the Yotes and flames, doing a little afterburner there. Afterburner Wednesday night, we will be atop the stage bar once again. Love it.

Talk about another reliefs long. You know what? We need to mix something up on afterburner. Right? You know what I mean? Like maybe a little change of scenery is the worst thing for the afterburner. Maybe we're the, we need to create a rally cry for this squad.

You know what I mean? Like if they win, we got to do something. Go on food protest or something like that. I'll go dry if they don't start winning games. Sleep past noon. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So that's coming up on Wednesday.

A reminder coming up Friday at the event center. A, uh, the triple header, Toronto, the headpins and Lee Aaron. Oh, baby. In concert. Lee Aaron, what you do to my body? Yeah. Um, yeah, who doesn't? Uh, so that's at the event center.

all tickets for events at the Grey Eagle Events Center through Ticketmaster, Ticketmaster. That's coming up on Friday night. That will be a banger. And again, less exciting, but we will be there on Wednesday. To each roll. Did you say Toronto as well?

Yeah, right. Triple header. What was the, their song was Your Daddy Don't Know? That's right. And then, of course, the head turns. Daddy Don't know. Let's do our way best of the day and call it a day.

What have we got? Nine games? did I see tonight? Nine games? I'm down to one, I'll tell you that. I'll start us off. So I just kind of went into, right? When you go into the Betway app,

they have the specials right across. Look at this. Wow. Connor McDavid, Carol Caprizov, both to score tonight plus 200. Yeah. I like that. And then, you know what?

I think, you know, I think actually the odds are off on this one here because that's really high. Connor McDavid, Nikita Kuturov and Mitch Marner each to get a point is actually minus 150. I may have sent that in wrong.

But it's what I feel good about the McDavid and the Caprize off. Then I'm not going to get greedy. A point for you. Take your money. A point from what Marner had like 100 points and 100 games, whatever. All those guys are getting points tonight. So take it. That's a two-banger right there for you with my bets of the day. I'm focusing on

what should be a fun one tonight. Buffalo hosting Toronto and what's usually a good road fans will travel environment. Leaves are all fired up after the Ryan O'Reilly deal. has been a ton of fun. Rett says they like scoring goals, I believe. I could see a lot of goals tonight. Austin Matthews and Wild Bill Nealander,

or We Willie Nealander, whatever you want to call them, plus 333. Time me up for that. And I'll take an ROR anytime goal. Ryan O. Riley hit the crossbar in his debut, and he's got Marner on his wing. That's a good spot to be. I'm not saying Leif's win, Rhett.

I just think this could be a very fun, high-flying, old, you know, battle of the border, the Golden Horseshoe, the Lake Ontario battle. Yeah. That's the one. O'Reilly's old squad, too.

That is right. Why am I not going to this game? You still can, I bet. Probably a seat available, even for an alumni, possibly. You're golfing. That's right. You're golfing.

Tomorrow is Wednesday. Geez, is that already game day? Is that what we're talking about? What's our week looks like here? Goodness gracious. We got the whole, the whole, you know, you take, get that Monday off. Tomorrow was game day at Arizona,

followed by a game day Thursday at Vegas. Wow. Busy, busy. Yeah, we'll see how it goes. Have a great day, retro. Good to see you. Chat tomorrow. Oilers.

Okay, there you go. See you tomorrow, buddies.