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Episode Date: February 15, 2023

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What was that song you were singing there retro on the pre-show? Oh, Donna. Oh, Donna. Oh, Donna. Oh, Donna. I hope we don't get flagged on YouTube for... It's probably... That's sounding so similar to the original.

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are we? Is Binder a little bit spicy today? No. No, no. We were just all here already. Oh, come on. Frank's here. Oh.

Frank, yeah, Frank is here. Frank is here. We're already. We're going to go down the path. So I have to, so I've got to get accustomed sitting here for 15 minutes and doing fuck all. That's part of the requirement now. It really has backpedaled on his cursing position, hasn't he?

It really has been. Wow. Yeah. It's like, well, that, that horse is out of the barn. we're not getting her back. Tower Chrysler Studios. Hey, yeah.

If you don't, if you don't yell, you don't win the argument. You gotta yell. It does feel that way. I'm yelling louder. Like, I must be right.

What language it was, but he was sure loud and sure. He must have won. That's my policy, at least. Towercriser.com from now until the end of the month over at Tower doing good deeds

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There is Frank Sarah Valley who has sobered up. Oh. Since the weekend in the desert as he was at Super Bowl cheering on his Philadelphia Eagles. His Eagles. Yes, fly Eagles fly. What happened, Frank? At half, I know you were, were you into the... Saw you on one of those platforms in that white suit doing your hoopty-dupty dance.

You look great, bud. Good moves. Yeah, it was impressive, the height of that. I was getting a little nauseous watching that, although, That may have been the booze from the weekend. I was going to say, maybe it was the fireball, making you all teary-eyed and emotional. Did you pull the double up? Did you get to the golf tournament there, the WM Phoenix Open or not?

No, I couldn't swing that. That's a lot. There's only so much debauchery you can pack into one weekend. And we had a day on Saturday, though. We went to Scottsdale and we were posted up at a few different spots, mostly of the outdoor variety, patio variety, and it was quite a day. Net, like, note to self, though, next time you bring your dad on a trip, remember to have him eat dinner in the middle of all of that going on,

because we, yeah, we ended up putting in a shift during the day, not so much one at night. Gotta feed the old man, eh? Yeah. What's it like cleaning up your dad's puke? like after your drunk dad hurls on the floor. Is that bonding? No, no, no.

No, there was no puking, none at all. It was actually just like at some point. So this is hilarious. This is actually when I knew that I needed to call an Uber to get us home is when I saw him like run into a buddy and he hugged him. And I was like, my dad's hugged me like once in my life. I was like, oh, Uber. Get this guy out of here.

It's time to go. Now, you're in your fields too, apparently. Some scar tissue there, Frank. Geez. The hugs are coming out. We're another week closer to the trade deadline. 16 days? Do we see this happen?

Patrick Kane, one of the biggest names in hockey, potentially on the move, where a deal is made not involving him or his team, but yet you can see this a bit of jail. Oh, geez, I guess the Rangers made that deal. Very rare that you see a guy, almost kind of outwardly expressing jealousy that that's kind of where I would have liked to have gone.

Yeah, shame on him. you know what get your act together get your list in have a conversation with your agent rip off the band-aid and have that conversation with your GM if you'd like to go down that path i think everyone knew that this infatuation had been there not just from the rangers side i heard going back to last year's draft floor that the rangers were interested in engaging in a conversation with the Blackhawks about Kane then. And then it lingered all the way up until the point where, you know, I've talked before about his dad being so active in his career and his life,

who's at morning skates and practices, you know, quietly asking people, hey, what do you hear about the Rangers at Madison Square Garden? And what it would be like to live there and play there? They went through the whole process trying to figure out what that might be like, only to have the Rangers turn around and trade for Vladimir Tarasenko. and I think there were two reasons for that. One, the Chicago Blackhawks with regard to Patrick Kane, his house wasn't in order. Don't have an answer yet as to what he would like to do.

And two, there's real concern about the hip injury that he has and why he does not look like the showtime we're used to seeing on the ice. To the point where they said, we think this guy in Tarasenko may cost less, may play better, and be a better overall fit with our team without any of the headaches or the hoopla. So why isn't his shit together, so to speak? Like we've seen this coming for a year and a half, two years. He's not that oblivious. I mean, if he's fantasizing about going there, like tell the team you want to go there. Is it that it's not much more complicated than that, is it?

No, it's actually not complicated at all because his agent actually has the ability with a full no trade clause to essentially engage in those conversations on his behalf, whatever he wants. And that hasn't happened. they are still now in the last few days, I'm told, doing their due diligence, engaging in different conversations with different people to try and understand what options may be out there on the market. I mentioned one in the Edmonton Oilers yesterday as part of my trade deadline matchmaker series. I know you guys can envision me in a little two-two running around playing hockey's love doctor. But in this case, I think the list. of potential teams where he is a fit is probably pretty small. And then on top of that,

the list that he might actually consider beyond that may be even smaller. What about the Carlson Edmonton smoke? Does that make sense to you? Like both of these guys are huge salaries. Kane at least is up at the end of the year. So you could probably get a bunch of retention as much as you needed moving it around. But like the Carlson one, I'm trying to wrap my head around. How does that work financially? I don't think it does. And the reason for, for that is we saw at least in a report a month back or so that the sharks were looking for three first round picks in order to trade Carlson and retain upwards of 20%. So if they were to go beyond that and let's say they're able to get into a range where, let's say a team like the oilers might

be comfortable at $7 or $7.5 million, well, the asset price then goes from three first round picks north of that. And so you can begin to do the calculus on what that looks like in order to pull it off. But what's more concerning to me if I was in the Oilers chair as general manager would be, how do you then trade off $7 or $7.5 million back the other direction in order to make this trade work? Okay, you can pick Yassupil Yarby and pluck him off your roster. Fine. Who else are you sending with him in order to make the money work? and ultimately at the end of the day, are you comfortable with the risk factor giving all of that up

to get Eric Carlson, who's played at an other worldly level this season, but has four more years left on his deal and a basically reconstructed ankle. Well, you know, it won't be Evander Cain going to San Jose. Yeah, I don't think Cain. I don't think San Jose. Sorry, go ahead, Red.

Well, for that cost, is Carlson the, I mean, I get that he's playing lights out. I understand that. But what's he going to do, improve your power play? You got too many guys that hold the puck already. Is he the right fit for that kind of price to help Edmonton? Like, if I'm the GM, I'm going, all right, I'm going to give away four first rounders and a bunch of stuff to get a guy back.

Is that, am I better served diversifying that and getting two defensemen or whatever else? Like, it just doesn't seem to make sense. That's the way I see it, right? because I look at the Oilers and I say, they're the one team in the league that doesn't need help on their power play. They're clicking at 31%. What are you possibly hoping to get to? 37? And how much is that going to help you moving forward?

I agree. I don't think Jacob Chikrin is a fit for the same exact reason that you're talking about. When you watch his game closely, he's a shot threat on the power play. And an elite one at that, but he's not a distributor. He's not a facilitator. He's not a puck transporter. He barely makes plays in his own end. he does a lot of, you know, chip off the wall and bounce it off to guys,

little short five to ten area plays that I just say neither one of those guys make sense to me, which is why I then sort of pivoted to the idea of Kane, which I think would be intriguing. He also doesn't defend. Well, that would be intriguing, but wouldn't Tanev's be more of the right move for a team like Edmonton? Like, to me, that's what. Yeah. To get it.

Handling the puck. A true defender. maybe and someone, you know, along the lines of a Gavakov. I don't think they're intrigued at the price that Columbus has been asking for Gavikov, but maybe that stylistic type of player, I look at a guy, another guy in Chicago, Jake McCabe that could solve a lot of their issues. And especially if you can get him for the next two years at $2 million instead of the four that he's currently being paid in Chicago with them being willing to retain, like that stands out

to me, like plug him into your lineup. then maybe add a forward and try and improve in a number of different areas as opposed to really, you know, blowing all your assets out on one big guy. As we're rolling on this, Gavrakov is sat as a healthy scratch for trade reasons kind of a thing, chikrin the same thing. We're two weeks away. We think if a deal is imminent, that's the kind of thing you do. And I get it if he's an asset that you want a deal. Are they really not going to play him for the next two weeks if it goes right to the deadline? Yes, that I believe is the plan.

And I've seen a lot of, at least in my inbox, a bunch of general managers belly aching saying like, what gives here? Columbus, like obviously the tank's been on for a while, but really? Like, we're going to sit this guy out for two weeks when nothing is imminent. I think they were pretty far down the track on something with the Boston Bruins. I don't know what the holdup is.

I don't know why it's taking so long, similar to the L.A. Kings and Jacob Chicker, and there was clearly something there, depending on who you talk to now, they say nothing is there. And I wonder for both of these guys where we know the ask has been extremely high, how much of this is trying to smoke a team out

in the age of social media to see if you can get someone to step up and pay the price that you're looking for because I think right now both those teams, it seems to me at least, are grasping for straws. Both of them are high price tags. Like what we heard the ask on trickering was a year ago. It was like, whew.

I mean, I know it's a good A.A.V. And he's a good player. But, I mean, Arizona's trying to line the streets with gold bricks on that one. And then with Gavrakov, they're like, well, we got this for David Savard. And it's like, cool. Different draft class, different year. And I don't know that teams looked at that move Tampa May and said, oh, we'd do that deal. I mean, they won the cup, but he played it in their third pair.

It seems like a lot for a two and a half month third pair guy. I mean, do you see those prices coming down? Or do you see these guys? willing to walk these guys to the summer. I've seen the price coming down since we've heard the price, you know, asked. And I think what's interesting is the wrinkle that Arizona has thrown in the mix. I believe in the last week or so, essentially saying that they're willing to retain on Jacob Chicken, maybe if you can knock him down to $3 million or $2.3, that that's one way to get your asking price,

ultimately. But, you know, I think your point is soundly made on Gabrikom. because it's not just the David Savard deal, which they're trying to match or plus plus. It's also the trade for Ben Chirot last year. And neither one of those really worked out. Yes, Tampa won the cup, but Savard played third pair of minutes, as you said,

and Chirot, they got him in there. And immediately after a few regular season games, their coaches were saying, like, this guy might be healthy scratch material. That's, you know, what they got. And it's a first round pick that went the other way. So neither one for that similar, stylistic fit defensively has really panned out.

And I just, I personally can't see the super high price tag, but maybe if it's, you know, one late first round pick and a sort of no name, you know, C level prospect, then maybe that gets it done. I just don't see it being in the upper echelons of where Savard was before. But here's the annual reminder that it only takes one team. Yeah. Are we pretty close though to seeing that kind of a defined cut line between buyers and sellers? I'm looking in the east.

The islanders, they add Horvatt. You know they're going for it. Florida has to go for it. And then you've got a dip down to Buffalo. I wonder if it's there. If it's the islanders and Panthers on the outside in the east. And then in the west, you've got Calgary tied with Minnesota, not points percentage, just points as we go today. Then Nashville is there.

And then it's St. Louis, who's already sold off with Teresenko. So is it the flames and Preds and the islanders and the Panthers in the east as far as the contenders and everybody else, pretty much in the cell mode as we sit here today? Yeah, I'd say there's a really difficult conversation ensuing right now in Nashville. You heard their general manager and David Poyle mentioned on a radio appearance yesterday morning saying, we're definitely not a buyer, but the longer this goes on, we could be a seller. And I think if you're taking a 30,000 foot view on the Preds, you're saying, well, even if they're able to sneak in and get that final second wildcard spot,

does anyone really look at that team as a contender, one that could do damage? Maybe you could make the argument based on Soros. I doubt it. And they also have a lot of term and contracts. So let's say they are going to be a seller. Well, who exactly are you going to be selling off? I've had Matthias Eckholm on our trade board for a while since early January. I believe they began to involve, engage in some flirtatious discussions about

Ekholm, you know, if Ekholm were to be available, what would you be willing to pay? And I think that contract may ultimately prove a little bit difficult to move. And, you know, you've got a couple other guys that might generate some interest. McHale Granlin is one for all the different areas of the game that he touches. I'd say there's probably a little bit of interest in Nino-Needer Rider. Tanner Jeannot is a guy that scored 24 goals last year and has a difficult RFA and ARB case. do they want to pay him like those are the types but you're not getting anything for you can't trade the johansen contract or you know you've got your untouchables in yosi and sorrows that it's not an easy deadline to navigate if you're nashville because you've invested a ton of money in this core to be

way more successful than it has been and that feels the same situation in calgary everyone was waiting to do that like there's a lot of common ground there i'd think frank between where nashv's at and where Calgary's at. I see. I understand what you're saying about the contracts, but I look at Calgary's team and I look at Nashville's team and I'd say one is way more suited to compete in the next number of years than Nashville. Like you saw that team barely get into the playoffs last year with like four or five guys having career years. Yeah, I know there was a bit of that that occurred in Calgary when they won the division, but I look at the weirdness of this year, the lack of, the lack of.

of goaltending from Jacob Markstrom. I honestly believe there is a chemistry type issue. There's something off with this team. I don't know what it is in Calgary, but I look at those two cores and I know which one without even blinking I'd sign up to have in my city as opposed to Nashville. You're in contact with Brad Trilliving on a semi-regular basis.

You know the guy. His track record by now as a GM is pretty well detailed. what's going through his mind? Obviously, he wants to let the team give him the message. What are you going to do in the next couple of weeks? I just don't know if you're going to be completely swayed one way or the other in the next couple of weeks. I have to think by now he's kind of got your gut as to what you're looking at if you're Trilliving. What's your sense and what he's seeing?

Yeah, I would describe the Calgary Flames much in the same boat as the Minnesota Wild, although different stages. Minnesota has some cap space issues to navigate next season and beyond. And Calgary does in some respects with the contracts that kick in for Euberdo and Weger. But I would call them both cautious buyers. I would say that they are intrigued with the team that they have and would really like to see them in a playoff series go toe to toe with someone because I think both of those teams think that they have elements that they'd be difficult out.

Calgary, I think, needs more to go right for them than Minnesota. Minnesota has struggled to score at even strength, and that's been their big issue. The flames, it feels like more often than not, they've played good hockey for stretches, but shoot themselves in the foot. And so, yeah, are they looking for direction over these next 16 days, of course? I don't think they're going to get an answer. I think what you see for the first, I don't know, 100 and some days of the season and what you've seen or what you will see in these next 16 probably isn't going to be all that different

and they're not going to i don't envision either one being enormous spenders but i think that they're looking for ways to improve their teams based on the limited assets that they do have cap space and or picks and prospects to try and make it work without going overboard red do you have any pushback on any of those fields because that's frank sees this team a lot differently than you do at this juncture. Well, I think Frank and I have disagreed on the flames and how they've approached things since summer, to be quite honest with you, and that's fine. I think that's the other side of the equation is that, well, if they can get in,

if Markson can find his way, and if they would get a goal, score an extra goal here or get an extra save there, we could be certainly higher up into standings. I just thought from the start, because I'm a big believer. in chemistry and a lot of people will say well chemistry what is that prove it but I don't think they have any chemistry I think they're frustrated I think they got guys

that aren't happy and I don't think that's an easy thing to overcome I don't think that's a light switch that you can go and flip I don't think a trade makes any sense I think get rid of assets you've built this team it's supposed to be what it's going to be Pinders talked about bringing in a guy like Shen to add some depth

to the defense and I'm like why to hell would you give up any assets? I think they're very similar to Nashville, where even if they manage to get in, and I think that's a long shot, I don't know that they're going to be, I think they're finishing in a wild card position and I don't think they're going to beat a team in the first

round. So, prove me wrong, but that's my, my stance would be hey, if there's people calling and they want my players, I'm open for business. I'm not looking to add. I'm open for business the other way. And I'll tell you why, Frank.

It's not, it's a lot of the reason is because if you go back over the history of the Calgary Flames and it, it's, it's maybe silly, but since the 90s, they've never built a team. What does that mean? Never rebuilt, I think is what he said. They've never had a long-term approach to things. There's never been a eight-year, five-year, eight-year plan. I'm sure every GM says there is, but then they go off on a tangent and they trade for Hammond. it can give up a bunch of picks. You know, there's never been a, let's stop and reevaluate what we're after.

The ownership has always said we'll spend to the cap. Our objective is to get into the playoffs. And if we get in the playoffs, anything can happen. I think that's certainly it can hold true, but you're asking for flukes. We talked about it last week on this show. Mika Kipersoff in 2004 was a fluke. the fact that we lost our top two goaltenders was the only reason we were looking for a goalie and he got basically a hall of famer that's not a that's not a plan it's not a plan

and we were in like 12th the 13th place and we went to the finals we worked our asses off and i don't i'm not taking anything away from the group of guys because they know how much i love them but that's not a that's not a plan from a organizational point of view i think the fans in Calgary deserve to understand that five years from now, they're going to have a run of seasons where you're successful. And you're always going to be in a playoff position. And you know you're going to be there. Not these one-offs.

Last year, everyone has a career year. We get in and they still shipped a bit. Now this year we're no good. The year before last year, no good. The year before that win the car. Like, that's not a plan. It's not a plan. And they need to have a longer-term view of things.

see i i think all your points are well made and certainly interesting thought process i would argue though with the the core that they've assembled what they believe in between uberto and cadry and and wigger on the back end and you could probably throw in rasmus anderson there or whatever Basically, for these next three years, while Jacob Markstrom is under contract, they had mapped it out to be really competitive in that window. And they're not, right now at least. And I disagree with you. I disagree with you 100% there because there's no effing way. They absolutely, the trade was a good trade to get Hubert O and Weeger.

That's fine. The locking them up for long term was not a good. I argue and we can argue that point back and forth we have before it's fine to have different opinions on it. That's not a plan. That was a fucking, whoa, we lost guys. We better fill it. And I spoke yesterday about it. Markstrom hasn't done anything.

He's never rose up when their team needs him and carried them on his back. He's not a team dap into the playoffs. And yesterday and the game against Ottawa was a perfect example of what I think the issue with him is. I think it's like he's got a mental glitch. When things get tight, he don't answer the bell. Go watch the playoffs against Edmonton last year. He was terrible. The Oilers broke him and he's never been the same since that series.

But I don't think he was that great before, Frank, and that's my problem. And it's goofy to say. He was a Vezner. Well, he doesn't do anything in a play. Yeah. It's I and I get frustrated by that because there's, you know, there's lots of guys that are revered as, these great players.

And I'm like, if you're a great player, you make your team good and you carry them into playoffs. That's what I understand what you're saying. And I think the playoff thing is a different equation. But I'd have to really take a deep dive on the goaltending and the numbers. I would argue that the flames this year with how much their goaltending has fallen off, Markstrom has cost them somewhere between eight and 12 points in the standing. First in the division.

still doesn't explain Hubert does fall off well go look at his ice time what here let me throw something at you with this what player makes that kind of coin and has put up those type of numbers and plays that little this is Darrell rolling four ones

I can't find a guy in the league I can't do it we beat up on this team lots I go back to but okay here's a question then how come they have so many shots on that? Is that a good thing or a bad thing? It's hard to argue that it's a bad thing.

I think it's a bad thing. We're talking about quality is the issue. Yeah. I don't think you're never not happy getting shots. They just need to find better shots, right? And I don't think they got the skill to make it, get in a position to get better shots. And now, that being said, you could be right.

Maybe it's a coaching thing where the coaches are screaming, shoot the puck, shoot the puck. I don't think, and only because I'm here in Buffalo, I know some of the approach that different teams have, and it's hang on to the puck and create. I don't think that's the message in Calgary, but is it not the message because the players don't have the talent to do it or because the coaches don't like it?

I don't know that. I think there's a significant chemistry problem, and I think that's actually the biggest thing. I don't think it's a skill problem. I don't think it's a work ethic issue, but goaltending has been something that I think, you know, I just hit on. But you touched on it a little bit,

I've received pushback whenever I've asked a question. All I can tell you is this. I started a new show a few weeks back called, frankly speaking. It's a one-on-one interview series podcast style. And this week's guest that actually just dropped a couple hours ago as Nazim Cadre. And I had him, the last question I asked him to wrap up the interview, I said, The Calgary Flames will make the playoffs if. And I was expecting some kind of detailed.

answer as to well this part of our game needs to be better or whatever it may be and he said the calgary flames will make the playoffs if we play as a team and i thought hmm i don't know what exactly he's getting at but having played on some pretty close teams winning a stanley cup last year that's his way of saying something's a little bit off here and 100% and i think that they're off because they've tried to slap a team together. They brought in cadre. They brought in Markstrom. They brought in Tanniff.

They brought in. And all these guys, you can say, are good players. But why are the teams letting them go? You know, you can, oh, Kappish, they know them the best, all these players. They know these players the best. And we all know if you think these are the guys you have to keep, you hang on to them. So for some reason, these teams were like, yeah, we'll let them go. but more to my point is that's not a plan of putting together a team good teams the

Chicago Blackhawks the Boston Bruins even the LA Kings Tampa Bay who Colorado last year those teams were all assembled over the course of time and I again I'm not good at this because I'm too eff and lazy but I guarantee you I guess I can't guarantee you but my thought would be they have more drafted players that have been brought along drafted and developed in their roster than the Calgary Flames and you have to have that to be able to manage what you're trying to accomplish going out and adding all these assets and pieces and whether they're good or bad and all these guys need to come along together and have a common goal in mind not reap rewards because they had good season somewhere else and went to the highest bidder

Frank, we'll let you go. I wanted you to, so frankly speaking, where do we find that? Because this cadre thing is a got must listen now. Where do we get it? Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast, type in frankly speaking and you will see it. You'll see my fat face. So it's a video. We can watch it on the YouTube as well.

Can we get on the YouTube? No, no. Just, it's audio only. But you'll see the little cover image. Oh, yeah. I see. That's nice. That's nice.

Sorry about the Eagles, Frank. Next year, right? Yeah, that's the way she goes. Or is it the bills? It was such an anti-climatic ending. Oh, look at this. These are my people. That's your car.

Yeah, I know if you're gone and they do this to you. It's your sedan. They knew it was an Eagles fan. Told you not to park there. This was before the game, right? This is before they lost. Jeez, legend after. What a town.

I've got to visit one day. Visit Frankie. Honestly, I couldn't be more proud to be from a place. I know that sounds wild to say when you watch this, but like I couldn't think of a better place to grow up. Doesn't look boring, I'll give you that. Be good, Frank. Appreciate you.

It was never boring and a ton of hard workers. So hang in there, guys. Love it. See you, Frank. Check you next week. Frank Sarah Valley, our NHL Insider standing on top of that overturned car there in downtown Philly. There's lots there, right?

Did you have to cut them off? Or what was the right? He has time issues, yeah. He has, it's 20, You know, he's, yeah. That's why we were bugging you. Some sort of the show. It's recognized that.

Uh-huh. Recognize. That's right. What? Yeah. No, he, you know what? He was tapping out because you,

you had beaten him down to a pulp. The thing about the drafted things, it's hard, I would guess you're probably right. You think of who the flames have lost as far as their own drafted equity in the last two years. If you want to go, like Sam Bennett, throw in Giordano as a guy that was developed within the franchise,

Monaghan, Godro, All of those guys have left. So, yeah, as you go up and down the roster right now, there's not a lot of homegrown talent. No, but, I mean, if the arguments that there wasn't enough homegrown guys that should have helped them last year more, or two years ago when they missed playoffs,

when they had way more homegrown guys. I mean, I think there's something to it for sure, but I think there's also just you have savvy GMs. They find talent everywhere. It's not just through the draft, you know? Like you pick up Nachushcheon after a one-goal season and he turns into a superstar. Like, there's more than just doing well in the draft,

but it helps if you're going to the draft to develop. That's a savvy ad. That's not a big stab move. Like we talk about it before when the Boston Bruins went and got Rick Nash. Why in the F would you go get Rick Nash? You got a great team because you've built that team. These moves that Brad has made are all big moves. I think the Boston team, you complimented, did a very similar thing.

They bring in Hampus Lindholm and they extend them almost immediately. And he's playing on a top pair of McAvoy's been a big part of their success since he got there a year ago. So, I mean, I understand the point you're trying to make, but I think the teams you're putting up his examples have done a lot of the things that the Flames have done. I disagree. When you hear someone say, and Frank's not the first and not the only, and I guess this happens when your team is underperforming, or at least is not at the level you thought they were going to be. Sometimes there's chemistry issues. There's something not right.

Does that mean any one thing? Because I was going to say, can it mean that you have too many players on the ice that are of similar skill set and not of a number? another. Can it be that you have different guys don't like each other in the room? Yeah. Yeah. But it all goes back to what we were just saying. And I'm sorry for stomping on you, but it all goes back to that. How many guys are in this lineup because they took the biggest offer they could get? And I don't begrudge them that. I don't begrudge them that. Let's go through the list. Who's here because they got the biggest offer? I've got zero issue with TANF since he showed up. He's here for that reason.

Dan of Mark Stroh? I haven't, yeah. Cadre? Yeah, I haven't had an issue with cadre at this point. But there's lots of guys that come here in free agency, Blake Coleman. I mean, Zach Hyman did the same in Edmonton. You'd do that again, right?

Like, this is the nature of adding in free agency. You go to the high bidder nine times out of ten. All right. No? Argue. Hey, it's real working fucking well for the flames. Keep it up, guys. No, but listen.

I think you're making good points for it, but you can't make these absolute statements, right? Like you'd never sign a guy. Well, no, it works well for other teams. It just hasn't yet here. That's not what I'm saying, Ryan. Don't spin my words into stupidity. I'm not spending into stupidity.

Yeah, you are. Don't interrupt me. Shut the fuck up. You've brought in a bunch of high paid guys and they're your core guys. Who have you developed that's your core guy? Rasmus Anderson. Anderson. Yeah.

Backland's on his way out. He's 35 fucking years old. What has he done? He hasn't helped the team win his whole career. He's not, you guys argue this, but you're wrong. You say, Boston, who helped that team become what they are? Marshaun, Bergeron, Posternak, who's the guy, Creachy, they traded for Char.

For sure, great, or free agent, that was a huge one. Went to the ice. But for the most part, those guys are brought along. Yeah, no, hey, absolutely, man. No one's here saying the Flames are the best run organization in the league. No one is. Like, it's just that, like, there have been instances where you do extend guys immediately.

It works great. like campus Lindholm, I give you the example. That's Boston. They did it. Bang, signed him. He was hardly there. It's worked great. But that's not.

So I get. But did he not play? Did he not play? There were in weeks, not months. But he did play. Oh, but I mean, if you're going to watch five games. I think it was almost immediate. I'll look the timeline up.

It's not a long amount of time. I think with the point that I'm with Redd on is when you have a great room with great leaders and guys that have won, it's easier to bring in Nchuskins and Lynn Holmes and other guys. that, you know, can come in and win with you. They had a better foundation for sure. I think a big issue with this team is, I think Daryl wants to be the leading force, and I still wonder, like,

I don't think captain's a big thing, but I think them not having a captain reflects maybe a bit of a void there. Like, who is their star player that's won? Cadrey, but he's just arrived. Right? And I think you'd agree with that, Rhett? 100%.

And part of the issue I have, I don't think Cadre's played poorly. I think he's probably played Codry-style hockey, and he's a good... But I want Codry when he hasn't won. Because I want him hungry to win. Okay. And I think the flip side would be you'd want to bring him in

to teach that wisdom of winning and a guy that's been there before. You always ask, what does he want? What's you done in the playoffs? Like until last year, was Codry a guy that fits your bill or no? What do you mean? Well, you always say, what are these guys done in the playoffs?

You guys are overvaluing guys that never win. Caudry was a part of some of those Leafs teams that flamed out early, right? Last year is the year you got over the hump. Colorado and get through the second round until last year. Through the third round.

So the point you're making is that Codry is one of those guys that they haven't had, which is a winner. Yeah, which you're saying you don't have any winners and now you're saying, I wanted him before he won. Like, which guy do you want? The winner or the guy that hasn't won yet? But I want, but again, you sign him

to the biggest contract you could, that's the only reason you go. I want cadre growing and learning how to win as a part of a core. If you had kept Kachuk, Goddrow, Monaghan. If you develop these guys and they come together, they have an identity, they don't need Daryl Sutter to make their identity for them.

That's what I'm trying to get at. Your core can't be pieces from around the league that are all the highest paid guys that you can get. And that's what you've created in Calgary. Now, you can say, well, Gadroll left and what could we do? No, well, that's part of the issue of developing this and creating it. That's, that's part of it.

Michael Backland has never helped his team get over the hump, has he? No, but I've liked his performances. And I think he was his best player against Edmonton last year. But that doesn't, right? Like, you want guys that are hungry. And again, I, I'm trying to say it so that it, because it makes sense in my head. If you have eight guys that you've brought along, and they're all growing together,

and they're all fighting to get and win, and they got a, I mean, it's easy to say McKinnon now because he's in Colorado, and they just won, but they've got a guy that's 100% hungry to win a Stanley Cup as your leader, and they're going to grow together,

and this is the common goal, and that's what you need. And then if you add a piece, sure, but you don't build your core by bringing in a bunch of pieces. that's what the Toronto Maple Leafs used to do when there was no salary cap. That's what the New York Rangers used to do

when there was no salary cap. And none of those effing teams ever win. Yeah, they were old too. Maybe a team that's gone about it that way and won. Even Detroit. Yeah, they went and got Shanahan and Hall. But Shanahan and Hall were compliment pieces to guys that were there,

Federoff and Stevie Y setting the standard, right? Well, you look back to the guys that were here, and it's not pinning blame. but you wonder if Sean Monaghan doesn't see the decline, whether it's injuries or whatever, but if he is still your number one center, is Johnny still here, is Bennett still here?

Because you did have that group. That was that young core, and you were kind of bringing them up together, but it just didn't work. And you wonder, if he's still a 30-goal, strong, one of the best centermen

in the Western Conference type of players that he was, then, like you say, you add a cadre to that mix where you've got a Bennett down the middle and then backlands your third line and whoever else, Peltje, Dubay, Mangapani, you can kind of see that and I do get your point. Because you look at this team and I'm just looking at the cap friendly and looking at the salaries, it's a collection of players is what it is. It's a collection of players that have been added by free agency or you brought them in by trade or some of them you did draft and develop. But right now because of

the mass exodus, it's just, just a collection of guys. And maybe that happens when Kachuk wants out and Godrell leaves and Monaghan falls off the table. Maybe they didn't have an option. I don't know. You rebuild, but your owner doesn't let you do or you keep chasing it. And well, it hasn't worked to this point. But again, they're a wind of war on night from being in a playoff spot. It's, I'm curious how this goes. Like, I think there's a lot of validity in this being an object failure. And I think there's also chances could work. It's just, we're very early. in it. And as Frank said, it's a three-ish year window for this group. And I'll tell you what,

if it's not working, we went through the names of guys that are up. And the next year is their last year. Like six legitimately coveted good players. They can hold their fire sale in a year if this doesn't work. And I often wonder too. And it's maybe not the same because we all, we just work jobs. This is so different. But if you're someone who came up through the rank. You play in the American League and then you get your taste here. And you've had to, you know, you've been bent over coming out of your entry-level deal. You've had to scrape and, you know, scrap out every $50,000 a year, $75 grand. And then some guy comes in and gets all the money having never played a game.

And then whether he does or doesn't live up to that salary, Does he fit? Do you, you know, is he a good guy? Does he mix in with everybody else? Then all, sometimes you just have this, this guy, no one really cares for him. He's making all the money. He's not that great.

I'm not saying that's the case, but it could happen. Yeah, it's not honored to be a Calgary flame. He's played in the NH. And it doesn't have to be everyone. It's, listen, I think I'm right in all,

in my statements. How do I prove that? just to watch and see what happens, right? I'm going to give me a GM hat. I'm going to run it. Like, it's not going to happen. But I do believe I'm right. Now, Frank makes good arguments.

Pinder makes good arguments. There are certainly arguments to be made. But I, this organization to me, what they've done isn't, it's 100% isn't how I would do it. And that's fine, except that. it's not turning out well this year. And you're telling me it's a three-year window. We'll see.

That was a plan, right? So when we go back over the years retro, because some of it was kind of for effect, but I know that at the heart of it, you were sincere. A year or two before the end of his contract, you would have traded Mark Giordano and you would have done the same with Johnny, right?

Like you would have done that. I would have done it. And it's, again, easy for me to say, I don't have to answer to an owner. I don't have to worry about budgets. I'm not worried about financials. But what I do respect is the guys that we all bring it up lots. The GMs that make those shitty decisions that you think,

what is this guy doing? How can you put yourself in this? Getting rid of guys that have been lifers there. How is what they did with Mark G or Dano? How can you look back on that and go, that was the right move? And my approach was completely different. So, yeah, I believe I was right in that situation.

explain to me how I'm wrong. I mean, that is now played out. Explain to me how I'm wrong. Yeah, all three of us are on the same page. That deadline in a lost pandemic year, you should move him. Now, two years prior, there's certainly a case to be made that you win the West. You're a one seed, Gio wins the Norris. You don't have that season without him, but that didn't prove to go anywhere.

So I get what you're saying. But again, do you want the homegrown stick with him? Or do, like, because those are the guys you're saying you're going to trade, right? Like, it's tough, right? spin it you're spinning it into extremes and mark had already been here for what 12 years at least yeah i don't even know right like so don't think that's there's also writing on the wall and marty st louis had to go well he did pretty damn good for the Tampa bay lightning and they were like yeah sorry bud you got to go right like the the bent the brent seabrook thing when they signed him in

Chicago, all of us were in agreement. That's a terrible contract. Why are you doing that? And that's what I'm saying is, yeah, I would, again, easy for me to say. I don't have a GM title, but I wouldn't have done it. Love you? That's great. I don't, I understand the reasoning behind it.

But the Chicago Blackhawks would be in a way better position right now than maybe if they wanted to be. I mean, I think they're deliberately going after something. So that's, that's their program plan. But if they hadn't had to deal with getting rid of Brent Seabrook, it would have been a better situation for them. Would have been a better situation for them. Yeah, no doubt.

And there are times and, right? And there's lots of examples of that. I mean, Ryan really likes how Carolina runs their organization. Yeah. And I don't think it's easy to run your organization like Carolina does, but they do that quite often. They cut bait. Yeah.

And they're cut bait and they go, yeah, got to move you. The difference, I, the biggest difference, I think, too, the flames and Carolina is their owners have entirely different views of how things. things should be done. Like, they almost lost Rod Brindamore over not wanting to pay him market rate. He stays there because he's loyal. You know, when free agents come up, screw you, we'll replace you. They've done a good job.

They've also brought in guys from elsewhere, but they seem to get them on value. Like Burns and Patch are ready for songs coming in, right? Buy low on guys. Never pay for goaltending. We'll move on. We'll get to the Pinder report. Brett, you told Ryan to shut the fuck up. Sorry.

There's a bit of a stall. Is there a delay? Is that what it is? It's not the first. It won't be the last. That's sort of the nature of doing this. If I have Rhett telling me to shut the fuck up, that's not an unnormal event to occur once a month or so.

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Rasmus Anderson on the ice. Now, not taking his usual spot on the top pair with Noah Hannafin, saddled up with popcorn enthusiast and connoisseur Connor Mackey, which has you in the, okay, you're on the fourth pair at this point. But it's not a game day skate.

He is on the ice. He's worrying that you can do anything you want to me, Jersey. Be careful because if the salt, if it gets in on those cuts on your stitches, if he's got some cuts on his hands or whatever, that's stinging like a bugger. His hands might be too soft for game. I don't know that they're cut out. He's hardly touched the stick this year. Anderson's in a spot to make a return soon, it appears, being active in practice.

We'll just see whether that's tomorrow or not. And as we've seen sometimes with Daryl, it's one practice down the lineup. If we look good at game day skate, maybe he's back with Hannafin, or maybe it's another game off. They've been preaching, taking things slow since he was struck by a vehicle crossing a pedestrian crosswalk on a scooter in Detroit eight days ago or seven days ago.

It'll be eight tomorrow when they play the wings again. This is a homegrown guy we like. I think you'd be happy to put him back in and have everyone slot a little more correctly through the decor. The next captain. Yeah. Think so? Should be.

I just don't know his personal. He reeks of it as far as on ice performance. I just don't know what his personality in the dressing room is. I don't mind it, to be honest. I mean, he feels to me like he's the guy. There's a lot of veteran do things the right way guys, but a lot of those guys are up pretty quick, like Tannav, Lindholm and Backland,

all heading into their last years next year. I don't know that you would give a guy a C in his last year. And you can put a C on, on Codry's chest, right? but that's not really going to change who he is or the way he. Interesting thought. I don't mind it. Here's a look at the standings. Last night, Colorado loses in a shootout to Tampa.

That's the entire season series between the Stanley Cup combatants from last spring. Colorado loses both this one via extra time. So they do move back up to that three spot in the central. Down comes Minnesota and the flames back to tide for the final playoff spot. Minnesota holds a game in hand. us sitting in Wild Card 2. Look at the schedule, fellas, March 4 and 7. Two games against the wild.

The one, this is this month, which is great. Well, the homestand is Detroit, New York, Philly. But it is March, four in Calgary, 7th in Minnesota. Two games over the course of four nights between the Wild and Flames. That might go a long way in determining who's got pole position or at least, you know, a better advantage in that wild. card. Would it be the catbird seat?

Catbird seat. I don't know because there's two wild cards. And yeah, there's been a lot of, certainly you'd, two proverbial four-pointers in the course of four nights, which is a lot of proverbial four-pointers.

By my mouth. Elsewhere, Detroit, interesting run here. They're a team out east. They're in the Central Division. Look at this. Six consecutive games in a row, the entirety of their season series

with the three Western Canadian teams. Oilers tonight and last week. Flames last week tomorrow and two games back to back against the Canucks and that's all they do with Western Canada. Feb 7 to Feb 16 that's all Western Canada,

nothing else. That's all they get until they get to the Cup final or for this year at least. Right. Yeah. So an oddity there in Evanton. Do you're back to back in it.

Flames? There are Evanton tonight Calgary tomorrow. So I know. Is that Red Wing fan? No, it'll be that. Eminton fans. Oh, I see. Yeah.

You've softened them up for you. Good then. Yeah, let's take that. Scoundrels. Last night, farm team opened up a two-game set with the Abbotsford Canucks, Johnny Canuck on the jersey. No surprise. They win, and Dustin Wolf's the first star of the game,

29 saves on 30 shots. He remains the best goalie in that league. Something disturbing, we know, is a couple things. This is what they do when the Wranglers win. This is some sort of a dancing horse. zombie that, well, I find quite disturbing. So it's, it's, keep that going. You can do better.

It's a horse's main. It looks like a dog's face, though. I don't know. That looks like a chihuahua's head. Huh. And it's, uh, they've been doing that a lot.

They've been doing a lot of winning. I don't want to say stop doing it if it's working, but that's freaking me out. Some people will not sleep after seeing that. Is it got hooves or what's he rocked? Chihuahua face. I don't know about this. Well, welcome to the show. I dig this a lot now.

Oh, has it got any, I like the, I like the moves. I think the same good mullet. Dance moves and mullets pass the test.

I'm just weird about that face. Rocking any genitalia down there. What do we do? All right. We'll move along. You want disturbing. There's that horse.

Well, maybe disturbing is our word. I have questions. Would you propose to your girlfriend at a regular's game? What'd you do?

Because last night, my next girlfriend, yes. Someone at the game. Congratulations. I do want to congratulate the lovely couple. I also have questions. Ryan. They're in love. They are in love.

It was Valentine's Day. It's the most romantic day. And 2,9003 fans get to share that with them. So congratulations to the new couple. Said yes. You're a dick. What? I just have questions. I don't know how you book these things. Who do you talk to?

Dude, put so much work in. That didn't just happen. Do you just trust people to keep the secret? You just, how do you wheel her down to event level and step on the ice without knowing there's a proposal coming? I have so many questions here. And is that a proposal? Because it looks like she's wearing, like, did they get married? I don't know. All I have is this.

She's just wearing that to the, uh, if someone, the night Wrangler game and he had to have a ring on, I have questions. Dean. If someone from the Wranglers would like to reach out and explain. what happened here. That would be wonderful. It doesn't look like your run-of-the-mill Wrangler garb on a Tuesday.

I feel like this horse is behind it. This guy is so happy. This horse has got to go. No, he's great. Look at, is that like a giraffe? Looks like a giraffe. That thing's in front of you're going to knock it out

just out of safety. You can't trust that. That guy needs a name. That guy needs a name. Again, the Wranglers could reach out. We've got a lot of questions. A lot of questions need to be answered, Wranglers.

Shoot a test. Next. NHL. Let's go. Oh, hey, before, don't put it up, Alex. There is an outdoor game this weekend in the NHL. Am I bullshit in you? Is it true?

And if it is true, who's playing? Dean, you're up. I know it because I had it in my 20 questions. Because I knew that it would be. Okay, then you stopped. And I had it a week ago, and I knew it was going to be blank screen for sure. So, Rhett, there is an outdoor game. It's a market they've never been to,

and I believe two teams that have never played an outdoor game. who is it where is it I got another clue for you as well a friend of the show will be Carolina yes that's right there it is Carter Finley Stadium

really NC State their home football turf and they've done some renderings here I don't know how they did this without the fans being there what a time to be alive 2023 they've got pictures from the event in the future unbelievable

and our good pal Mike Commodore's going to be there and look at that hey that looks festive So it'll be the capitals and canes. I'm incorrect. The capitals have been in these games before because Brooks or pick, obviously. Clunked Sid. It was him, right? Yeah.

A big concussion. Maybe it wasn't a rep? Who was it? Okay. Of course, as you said. Of course, we all remember that. Of course we do. Yeah, the Sid concussion for a year.

Let's get some hockey on the ice. Well, more on the canes in a moment. They're on quite a heater, but we have to start with the hottest of heaters. It's the season. of the Boston Bruins. David Pasternak in overtime last night. You know how this ends, right, Rhett? I mean, it's pretty obvious when it's the Bruins and it's hockey

and it's this year against a very good Dallas team. Turns and accelerates out of the Boston zone. He's got Posternak right. Pasternak drops it to McAvoy, closes Pasternak. Any way. Anytime. All right. Jack Edwards, tuck it under your belt.

And 27 was doing so well there. He was kind of right on Pasternak's hip. It comes across the blue line. Watch the movie makes inside the blues. He dishes this back. He's like, I got this guy right. He's like, I got this guy right. We're going to see you later.

I'm with you. Oh, where did you go? Bang. You're going to want to stay with that guy did. Yeah. And you did notice it was four on four. So there must have a penalty in overtime and then. They killed one.

On the box. What it was is Marshan. Yeah, I gave them a four on three power play. And then Marchand came out of the box. for four on four and then Zing. Bruins are good, Rhett. So is Carolina. Let's take a look at these two division leaders out east.

Well, did you hear? It was 53 games to get to 40 wins. Tying Washington for the fastest to 40. Coming up here. So before we get to that, the two division leaders, their last 26 games, Bruins 18, 4 and 4. It's pretty good. Cain's 24 and 2.

Very good. Your point on the Bruins? Yes, fast to 40 wins. 40's a very impressive number. 62 is the all-time record. Bruins did not need many games to get to 40 wins. Good company they're in. Habs from the 70s,

caps of, I believe, 15, 16, and a few other clubs in there. 29 games left. They need 12 wins to tie the NHL record. It feels automatic. Doesn't it? I mean, it's like, oh, what if they run into injuries? They started their season without Marshan, Maccavoy.

Like, Crates came back from Europe. You didn't know what he's going to look like. No, they've already had their injuries. They lost a goalie for a while. They have to play with six skaters and no goalie for a couple weeks. It doesn't matter. They don't seem to care. Still go 500.

Wins, wins, wins. 62 wins, 95, 96 wings and the 18, 19 bolts. Probably the tie would go to the team in the 90s because it's a little easier to win three on three, I'd suggest. But either way, those are impressive totals. Ooh. Knock it out this year, Bruns. Go.

Sure. Get to see them next week. That's right. Two weeks from now, whatever. Perfect time for the flames to see them. It should be a hot ticket at least. I don't think there's a good time to see Boston. Sorry.

Preseason be great, wouldn't it? And you know what? Of the 40? Of the 40, 34 are in regulation. Yeah, they're good. So it's not like they're sniveling. They're not fluking three on three wins. No, no.

No shootouts. Oh, you guys are okay. And like you said, what was it yesterday of the day before you said, look at their goals for and goals against. Number one for goals against. Up three goals four. That's nice little pairing. Their goals against is crazy.

2.1.2. Hoof. Live. Devils have been good on the road. Total. Goals allowed. Yeah. Yeah.

No, the best. Best in league. Devils love the road, boys. The devil loves getting on the road. They have been better than I knew. Vanichek, he's what? 12 games, 11-0-1 on the road since the late December. That's good.

When you could go on the road and do that. Come on. And they give away wins. Better than Vanichick, the team on a whole. I believe they have 20 road wins and 26 games. That's... 23 and 3. And I was thinking with Vanichick,

Capital, right? This is a guy that just added in the summer. Just another goalie. Ooh! Right? Oh, yeah, totally. It was supposed to be McKenzie Blackwood and Bernier last year. And now it's like, yeah,

we just both roll the dice on some. of these guys. Sam Sownoff is the other part of that duo, wasn't he? He's in Toronto. Yeah, it's just good. Yeah, whatever. Goleys, man. Who knows? And finally, speaking to Toronto, Austin Matthews returns tonight, a five-game absence that stretched over the All-Star break is coming to an end tonight as they host the Chicago Blackhawks. More on that in the Betway bets of the day because Chicago's dog shit and Austin healthy. Okay. NFL, yeah, there is. Five games. Stash. It does have a decent stash. NFL news.

Oh, I'm sorry. You missed that. Geez, look at this. Kevin Mangus, Mongolia, 46 saves in his NHL debut to get the win for the senators. You thought the loss to the flames for the flames in Ottawa was tough? First year head coach Lane Lambert or second year head coach? Second year head coach Lane Lambert because Trots has been.

came in, I am. Apparently, suggestions he's lost the room after this. One week, two weeks after they had Horvette. And a loss in Ottawa, I'll do that, Alex. Everyone starts to question their own existence, right? Kevin! Kevin! So that does it. NFL, goodbye, happy trails to Derek Carr.

You're no longer a raider. How do we feel about this? He was certainly not the best quarterback in league. He certainly was not the worst quarterback in the league. He certainly was going to make $40.4 million and minutes before that guarantee kicked in, cut. Are there quarterback available on the quarterback carousal? Poor guy's going to have to settle for like 37 million somewhere else.

We're at like Indy or Carolina or something like that. I wish you well, Derek. I hope he was by. And Devante went there a year ago because he was there. Our college teammates. What do you mean? Now where are you going? He got his money too.

Yeah. Lots of quarterbacks here in the draft. What are they saying? Saints? Maybe Norlands for Derek Carr? Where's James go then? The Carousel continues to turn. Just Taysam Hill, follow John Payton to Denver,

all kinds of questions. Oh, so many questions. It's going to be a good offseason there. And finally, Rhett, some of these new pest control companies, they'll put cameras on as they work. And I think your rental place in Buffalo had an issue. We just happened to get the video somehow.

So I didn't know there was snakes in Buffalo. Weird, hey? Eight snakes. This is gross. Dude, have you seen that? Just, you know, play the video. This is Rett's place. Nice pink walls bright in the room.

Is that, that's your basement. That's why you're doing it upstairs now. That's where you're after burner, right? Oh, my God. That's not fun. He's covering his screen. All right. That's about a 30-footer, Rhett.

See, that's, you didn't use Hope Street, Rat. That's the problem. Don't use Hope Street. You're going to end up in a dump like that. It's over now. Okay, Alex, thank you. She's. In it off.

They're native to. that part of New York. I don't know if you knew that. That's what is East Amherst? Yeah, I know. Well, it's always warm here, right? There's people golfing today. So the snakes.

Really? Sneaky snakes. Yeah, that's your Pinda reporter. Just a... Sorry, I've thought some prayers about the basement there. Goosh. There's restoration on the way.

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They're hide I don't know why he's waking up at 2 a M camera out tweets I hate snakes. I hate them. Yeah. There was, yeah. Snakes are a little disturbing.

And you know what's funny? Love disturbing. Thank goodness for the shoveler providing all this stuff for us. Because she sent you the video from the Rett basement there with the studio. I also got a, like listen to them. They're freaking out. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Also got a, no, you don't want to say bringing anything up. You were a little late for the show. today. You know, we were waiting, we're kind of waiting for you. Is Rick going to be okay? Is Rick going to be okay? We were just, we didn't know where you were. It's become a bit of a thing.

So I texted the shovel. I'm like, is everything okay with Rhett? We're starting the show. And sometimes, you know, he's not there right when we're starting. He's a busy guy. And I can't help but wonder if this comes back, Rhett, to your sleep apnea. Oh.

We've talked about this with outdoor dental. You're not getting the sleep you need. We've got the sleep apnea treatments. Quality sleep, that's for sure. I've got the pit. I know we've got the video. The shoveler sent it here of you at your desk. We had the other one where I think maybe you were,

I mean, there you are. We're waiting for you. We're waiting for you to. My favorite shirt. Like, look, see, look how, dude, you got to get some rest. Is he got a ball? He is a ball. What drink do you get at McDonald's there?

What's your pop of choice? He's rocking and rolling. there, Red. See? I don't know what it's going to take. What do we got to do? The Wolverine and I, we had lunch with Dr. Jay Patel the other day. He said there's been a bunch of people. He said they've had like over 20 people have come in for the treatment in the last little while. They're hearing about it. They're doing it. Their lives are changing. Why shouldn't yours, Red? Why shouldn't yours? I got to get there. Good luck on the course today, too. I know they're excited. And it's not just the sleep apnea treatment, they can, you know, they'll do the sleep monitoring and all that sort of stuff.

And of course, laser-free dental work while you're there, you get the sleep apnea treatment. Why not just say, hey, you know what? I love it here. Great spot. Let's just do all of our dental stuff here. Give it some thought. But the snoring treatments, two 15-minute treatments, soft palate back of your neck, back of your throat there. They use the laser on it a couple of times and it tightens everything up.

That will, that's what contributes to that snoring and poor sleep and poor life. Lifestyle, you're tired all the time and fatigued. Why live with that? You don't have to. Outdoor dental, outdoor.dental.com is the website. I've been carb loading, eh? Notice that. Yeah, well, the bill's lost.

I got depressed. I started to eat. What are going to say? Happens. I hear you. We, on social media, we've got a pair of tickets. Now, tomorrow, Flames Game Day, Detroit in town. The start of the little kind of middle homestand.

Try it. Detroit. Go to the social medias. Go to Flames Nation on Twitter, on Instagram. You're going to see the contest there. What you need to do, you need to be following Mad Rose, tag somebody that you would take to the game. Get on it.

Later today on social media, we'll contact one of you. We'll give you a 24-hour notice. Get you all set up for the game tomorrow. Email you those tickets and the tickets, courtesy of Mad Rose Pub. Matt Up at Mad Rose. taking care of us all year long. What a beauty.

What a beauty. I would do anything for that putteen right now. Anything. I am beyond hungry. The wings are great. What I do like is we are getting a lot of people who are going up there and then just snapping a photo. Hey, fellas, had to do it.

Had to be done. Well done. Check mark. See that pizza there? They're making that dough, that sauce fresh every day. That's not coming out of some friggin' truck back a beep. And they're wheeling frozen pizzas out the back door. Not at Mad Rose Pub.

So good. You eat the whole thing, right? Some shitty pubs are doing that to you. Matt would not do that to you. Not there. He cares about you. Give you stale beard and shitty food. Not Matt.

Not at Mad Rose Pub. No, sir. Well, tomorrow is Ask Rett. I apologize. I got to apologize for my bad language today. I'm sorry. Today. That's a couple days in a row, to be honest.

Don't apologize to us. I'm okay with it. I mean, it was some of the, it was passionate. I shouldn't have swore at you, though, right? Personal assault, and I don't condone that. It's okay. Well, sometimes you can take the advice and just. Now, are you apologizing because you don't think he deserved it or just that you said it?

You feel bad. No, just that I should have more self-control. Right, yeah. But he deserved to be told to shut. 100%. Yeah, for sure. Tough to debate that. Tomorrow Thursday means ask RET.

Get your questions in. We all have questions. I think a lot of people are hearing you on this show. You're passionate. It's not just, it doesn't just end with hockey. You're passionate about so many things in life. And if you need to draw on his passion and life experience,

you can email him, ask ret at flamesnation.ca. And we will comb through those questions tomorrow, courtesy of Hope Street, property management. Any topics you've been particularly, passionate about investigating of late, Rhett, that you'd like to maybe have people. I'd love to have a deep dive into some teaching philosophy

and teachers in general. They're always a wonderful addition to any ask. The timing couldn't be better as we are right into teachers convention tomorrow and Friday. And then Monday, a holiday family day. So I look forward to all the teacher convention questions coming in tomorrow on Ask Red. Get some time off, you lovely teachers.

Hope Street rental property management. They're Canada's property manager of the year. If you need to rent, if you're looking to rent some of the properties you have, there's no other, I don't know why you would do anything, but get Hope Street. I've been using a shitty company that's got snakes falling out of your ceiling. Yeah, you got to switch to Hope Street. Hey, what's this place you rented me? There's snakes in the, not shaving.

There's 40-foot Antichondas. Just came through the shitter and bit me in the ass. It's not going to happen. No, not Hope Street. If you get Hope Street, they're going to check for that stuff. Don't put that on, Alex. Holy! Hope Street rental property management.

Hope Street.orghum street.ca. Hopestreet. You can't sing enough of the snakes. Hope Street. Dot C.A. Before we go with the Betway Betts of the Day. You had said earlier, what? Betway bets of the day, you said earlier something about the schedule or whatever, but...

Leafs, Hawks. All right. You're not... There's no juice. Yeah, go ahead. Six games on the NHL Sked today. Obviously, Flames are idle, so nothing. I kind of went in that they have some of the pre-built bets, some of the different things.

You can go and find your individual bets and some of them they'll stack in, it's in the pre-built category. I'm going to go a power play point for each of Nikita Kuturoff and Carter McDavid, the Oilers, as we know, hosting Detroit, Tampa Bay are, they're in Arizona. Stupid me. I figure, I'm just going to go check the points. How's Kuthorov doing this year? Third and league score.

Yeah. Behind the god and the demi god in Shelbyville. So, okay, you're getting two of the top three scores. Power play points, give it a shot plus 175 if they both get one. And then a little combo pack. This is what the Cowards Parlay. Yeah, that is a Cowards Parlay. The Rangers, they're in Vancouver.

Oh, yeah. Tampa Bay at Arizona. Toronto home to Chicago. Regulation, or Money Line wins, anytime wins for those three plus 160. So you're thinking you're going to go with Schisturken. and the Rangers not Colin Delia and the Canucks. Yeah, I'm going to go with the Rangers.

Got it. So give me those three. If all three of those guys win, plus 160. I don't mind those. There you go. It's a very rational, well-thought-out bets. Thanks, Ryan. I'm going to know to Toronto, Chicago visiting the largest hockey market on Earth, where Austin Matthews makes his return. If he scores the first goal of the game,

I mean, it's not like if he's going to say, it's when. Plus 5.50. He's coming back with a bang. This guy had four goals, his first day. game. He's coming back with a vengeance here. And Mo Seider. He scored a first minute. Yeah, why not, right? First shift. Put him out there. Let's go.

Mo Sider, 15 assists his last 14 games. Yeah, I'll take one assist in Edmonton paying plus 140. And we hit on this against the flames last Thursday. Good player. Really good player and the assists are there. There's a bunch of helpers of late. So not a point

but an assist. That's correct. He's not Moe. Moritz. You make a me sick when you talk mores. That's your Betway bets of the day. B-19. Get that Betway app on your phone. Enjoy yourself. Be responsible. Of course, and Ontario and all that sort of thing.

Special guest co-host tomorrow on the program. I'm taking a leave for mental health because of Red's disparaging remarks towards me. HR has emailed. We are HR. Don't worry. Ryan is distraught. emotionally damaged after today's program. It's mental health day.

So we will have a special guest in that chair to join Rhett and I tomorrow. It'll be a game day. You're not telling us. We're not going to announce who it is. I don't want to put he or she. Maybe something comes up. They can't make and then I thought you were going to be on that. No, now I'm for surely tuning in.

That's great. I'm definitely tuned out. I hope it's a girl because we've never had a. on a guest host. Well, we saw the shoveler briefly on the Spirit's Christmas show. And in the Florida, a trip to the Wales rip. She's more, you know, loves the sun.

She's not known for, she's not known for her intellect and this talk ability. It's visual. That's right. Very visual. Very visual. She was on the screen for a very short time, but I knew exactly what she was trying to get across.

It was very clear. She was very good at it. You were saying you're number one. Yeah, you're number one. Have a great Wednesday, back tomorrow, game day. Good luck getting that out of your... Yep, back at it again tonight, folks, if you want to get disturbed and lose sleep over a Wrangler's win.

Between that, snakes and... Rett falling asleep at his computer. Lots of heartwarming images on the show today. If you weren't watching on YouTube, you missed out. You really did. You did. See you tomorrow, buddies. Have a good one.

Oh, Euler sucks. Yeah. The disdain. Thank you.