Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - FN Barn Burner | With Craig Button - May 3rd, 2023

Episode Date: May 3, 2023

FlamesNation Barn Burner - May 3rd, 2023Live from the Tower Chrysler Studios in Marda Loop! - Craig Button joins the show- NHL Playoffs- Stars vs Kraken recap- Panthers vs Leaf's recap- Preview of tonight's games - Pinder Report Presented by Village Honda- Betway Bets Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Pitter, Patter, let's get at her. It is Barn Burner, there's Retro. There's, this is boom, and there's no Pinder, although I believe, reports circulating. The rumor mill swirling that he may well be here for tomorrow's show. He has been, he'll get all the sand out of his crack, get all cleaned up, and get with us tomorrow. Can you imagine being in humidity and, and, and, hot 30 plus degrees with that main that he's got. All that facial hair and that, that.

Sand and beach and humidity and saltwater and just like, and why is he doing it? I don't know. It can't. It's got to be uncomfortable. Is it a youth? I'm, I must still want to be a young man thing or is his, his lady. And let, she get off on that. I don't know.

I don't know. I thought, I thought ladies like, guys with baldhead so they could rub you know rub them and stuff i don't know um the thing with him is he can he's got a good head of hair he could have it shorter and it would still be very thick and luxurious but uh uh it's something i know he keeps uh he he's he's gonna have some nits and gnats and all kinds of fucking bugs and stuff in there when he comes back gross so yeah i can't wait to see him uh today is what wednesday today on the show we're going to talk some hockey obviously And friend Craig Button is going to join us about halfway through.

Of course, he a former Calgary Flame General Manager. Could he be a future Calgary Flame General Manager? He said nothing of the sort. I'm just trying to stir the thought. He's very happy doing what he's doing. Although I'm sure, I'm sure, you know, still knows his way around the rink. But yeah, we'll talk to Craig about what's going on with the Flames coaching general managers. What do you see in in the postseason?

and all of that as we are into round number two did you watch uh some of the ice hockey last night i watched uh a lot of the first in the last 10 minutes of the leafs game and then i saw the cracking up four to two and a one and then the eyes started to bad that's understandable you know you're you're getting old and i mean i picked the panthers and i picked the panthers and i picked the crack and so it was guaranteed win night so sure it was yeah i'll tell you what the friggin cracking man they're they're not they're no fluke they come at you i was reading something today and i didn't even again because i've paid this much attention to them their goaltending was horseshit all year apparently last they still had a hundred point this year too i think

they outscored everybody they're one of I'll take it. I just got last year. Grubauer was, I know last year. I know. I know the grubauer was awful last year. I don't think they were good this year either,

and they still had 100 points because they were scored so many goals. I remember bringing it up in the fall because the Sabres were one of the top three or five scoring teams in it in the NHL. And we were like, what? That can't be. And then every, some of it was through in Seattle. ever you know same thing you're like no seattle get out of here they're terrible good to your uh to your point red warner uh both philip gruebauer martin jones now joey decord the former

ottawa senator gold tender he got a few games in there but really the split uh 39 well as far as starts 42 starts for jones 36 starts for gruebauer neither one of them were over a 900 save percentage 887 for jones 895 marty jones 2.99 grubauer 2.885 so yeah those aren't sparkling numbers by any oh yeah they right and they still won a ton of games 100 points i think they're good and we all thought they were terrible and that the coach was an idiot like why did they hire this hacks though guy what do they do let's see here they had here we go they were the sixth highest scoring team in terms of goals for in the regular season. So maybe, Rhett, if you'd have paid a little closer attention,

we wouldn't be so stunned right now. Why are you reading that today? Like only today you read this? No, no, no, no. We're always stunned. What do you mean, pay attention, not be stunned? I'd be even more stunned. Then I'd have things in my head that would stop me from even thinking.

I'd get bogged down. Yeah. They're interesting watching some of the things that are taking place. We'll get into it in the Pinder report, but the Florida, I don't know what we're watching because you get into round one and, oh, there's upsets and it's fun and this and that. And then you get into, are we watching, if it's a Seattle, Florida, yes,

thing that we're talking about in a few weeks, never in a million years, but anybody have picked that. You said it yesterday. And on one hand, we just said Seattle, one of the top scoring teams in the league. Florida, they were President's trophy winner, what, two years ago weren't they last year,

but bottomed off. They aren't, they aren't bad hockey teams, but does it give you pause to the just get in and anything can happen discussion? Fair to Seattle didn't just get in. Florida kind of did.

Yeah, Seattle didn't just get in. And I think if you were the, okay, so again, I relate to Buffalo because I'm here right now I've watched the team and they haven't made the playoffs forever. If the Florida or if the Buffalo Sabers just got in, that's an absolute home run. And my point is,

it depends on what your lineup is. And so when I relate it to the Buffalo Sabres, young, very youthful organization. If you're just getting in as a bunch of young whippersnappers, It's a great thing. If you're related to the Calgary Flames and their approach, veteran laden squad, not a bunch of young whippersnappers,

a absolute must-win now scenario for that lineup, just getting in, no, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh. Right? There's a difference. Yeah. Getting in with a bunch of kids that are playing hard and you're and giving her. Yeah. Getting in because you can't get your shit together and you're old and slow and you can barely hang on.

And you only have a year or two window to have success? No, no, no, no. That's not the winning in or just get in scenario that I'd be excited about. Right? Like to and further to the point, who's out? I would say the older teams are out. The Rangers were older, right? Even the kings aren't, but they played a youthful

Oilers team with a couple of superstars there. So it's kind of a unique situation. The Boston Bruins were older, record setting, but older and looked slower. Who else is faltered here? That's how bad the brain is, right? Who else is that? You know, we talked about it a few months ago.

It's copycat league and that whole thing. And then when teams have success, other teams try and emulate it. There's no doubt that it is a young league. And we've seen that. And I think part of that is tied to the blown leads and come from behind games that we've seen. I think some of that's conducive to some immaturity or inexperience and just youthful, whatever. It also helps when you have highly skilled guys. I mean, New Jersey, are they young?

They are. But they have a couple first overall picks. The Oilers have some really good high draft picks. Tampa Bay when they were they were a young team not that long ago I I think it's I think you have to and then you spin it to the Calgary flames and we were talking before in the pre-show we were discussing about the next general manager and I asked Frank I guess it was yesterday and Alex we were talking about it is this a mess is this a desirable spot for whoever comes in here I think it's you have a hand in what it's going to be you can have a veteran team you can

have a young team you can you can do a lot of different things i i just think that it's maybe too easy but i just see the speed and the youth in today's game and if you're asking me are we going to be signing lindholm and backland and some of these other guys do longer-term deals trouble no i just don't think i am i really don't you're asking for trouble I don't think it's a disaster the Calgary Flames. It's not what I would. I think the greatest gift that a new GM will have is that he's a new GM. And it's not going to be.

I'm hoping. I'm hoping that the shelf life of a GM is a little longer than the shelf life of our two to three, two years of coaches. Right. So you can put a game plan in place. Now, if you choose to go with this venturing group, I think you have no success. You may make the playoffs next year. They were close enough. Markstrom's, we keep saying it.

A couple saves here, a goal there. Huberator gets a few more points. And I think I said it to you yesterday. Put this team, the Calgary Flames squad in the playoffs and tell me who they're beating. Out of the teams that are left, who the hell are they going to? So you're going to, who are. What in what matchup are you picking the Calgary Flames to win a series? Go back even one series or one round we are jaded though, right?

I don't give a shit. We've been around it enough. We're not jaded. We're educated. We're not jaded. We're educated. We've watched it enough. It's too easy to say we don't have a clue what we're talking about and it's fresh.

So we're mad and upset. Yep. And when I start F bombing and getting. Matt, it's because of emotion and it's immature. Yeah, that's being jaded and emotional. This is not jaded and emotional. Go through the lineups. They're old. Nazim Kadri, 32. Hubertow's going to be 30. Our youth is Andrew Mangapani's 27, turn and 28. Michael Backland is mid 30, 35, Milan Luchin, 35, Blake Coleman 31. Lindholm's going to be 28 this year. You're going to sign it again. He's going to be a 30.

plus if you side all these guys you're going to have how many guys 30 plus at the end of their contracts who's taking them if you don't win and i don't think you will win right like jubes 24 now who's the use it seems easy right i because even and then throw to foley in that mix he's had a great season you i just can't what i just worry that Let GM in the NHL in today's world is building a team around 30 plus year olds. It might not be disaster scenario for GM walking in and taking this roster. I think, but it is not a good thing. Let if you want, we should do it with button.

It would be fun. Yeah. You do it. Put your jam head on. Look at the Flames roster and what they have going for it. And pick a team. that's in a worse spot. Give me,

give me a list of three or four teams that are in a worse spot than the Calgary Flames. You could say the Columbus Blue Jackson, but the Columbus, are they? Well, not if they pick first overall in a month. Right? Like,

that's just did. All this changes again because you see guys like hues out there. Kicking ass. You get a top five draft pick and he shows up and plays good. You got a chuck, a hundred point guy. and he's dominating. And you know, the thing, you watch this, this playoff,

I forget who I was watching the other day. And they were talking about chemistry. It's one of those things like just, who have you got in your room? What kind of people, what kind of players, who have you got? And it's hard to tell sometimes. But when you know, or if you, because it's so much about analytics right now and all of this.

And people say, oh, what's the grit chart? What's he got for grit? What are his intangibles? you see a guy like Oliver Bjork Strand, who was picked up in the offseason by, well, went to Seattle for a couple. The guy just seems to score big goals. He's just always scored. This Cardover Hagey thing, he added another game winner last night, Red. And I'll have the details coming up. Since the start of last season's playoffs, he has six game winning goals, six of their last nine games that they've won in the playoffs. And he was just a guy that was in Tampa Bay and then was a free agent and went to Florida. Florida. You have to have a little, it's, you have to have that balance and you saw Tampa Bay had it.

You had your high end guys. Headman, I draft pick. Stamco's number one. Then you needed some of your diamonds in the rough like a Braden point. You love grabbing those guys or whatever in the fourth round or whatever it was. But then you also need your Calorans and Yanny Gord and Andre Pilate. You got to have you got to have a little bit of everything. So you can't just be young. you can't I don't know I feel like in some ways the flames are still in a good spot

that you don't need to go through a deep valley here I disagree but man some of those the term on some of those contracts is going to be is pretty tough but I just think it leaves you

very little wiggle room when it comes to what you're doing this or next off season with these group of impending UFAs I just don't know what you have The two big contracts that you signed last summer, which are living to brought in with Cadry and Huberto, are going to be boat anchors. Cadre is not going to perform as good as he did last year for Colorado ever, ever, ever again. Never ever.

And Huberto, I would keep my fingers crossed and I will try to keep an open mind, but I said it before we signed. him that I didn't think he was a superstar and a guy that was going to lead the way. I hope I'm wrong because if I'm not, you're going to have 18 million bucks of dead cap or compli, you know, and guys that are getting older and shittier and not getting lots of ice time are going to be the best guys to have kicking around a dressing room. you think about him on luch each right you heard a lot about oh you know he's been a good guy he's been a good guy not everybody is going to be as good a guy as luch is in his later years near the end of a contract where he's making big dough and isn't getting the ice time that he thinks he was making and he was making five this is the three of him you think quadry's gonna and and and even if they are good guys i don't give a shit how high the cap goes that's too much money to having guys that can't perform again i can be wrong i don't think i'll be wrong with coddrey i just don't think that i mean even when we signed a bit was like well we got a window to win here yeah the back end of it's not going to be as good but it gives us a chance we got to have success right now okay

sure we didn't and huberdor was terrible last year by all accounts so yeah is he a hundred point guy is he a 50 point guy he's not a hundred point 115 point guy that's too hard to do and he ain't going to do it that ain't happening again can he get 80 to 90 maybe that's best case scenario and i don't think the way he moves that in three years he's going to be putting up 90 i don't i don't think so and all the cap of it i don't know i again i go back to look at their roster and then look at all around the league and tell me who's worse. I'm sure there are. I've not done the research, but I would suspect it's a shortlist. And there's a difference between being a bad team like Chicago,

but Chicago has a game plan. They've deliberately, yeah, they're horseshit because they want to be. They're choosing to be bad so that they can get better in the long run. They've got a game plan for it. we might just be bad. What happens there too is with a team like Chicago is they reach their their apex and then realized we're bad and we can try and plug holes and find some try and remain good. Let's stay in the playoffs and let's try and compete.

Let's just get in and see what happens because anything can happen. Or no, we've had our run with this group. We need we're not going to win. It's that I think it's tough. You have to take a look in the mirror and decide. we have to take a step back to take two or three steps forward. I wonder. We'll talk with Craig Button coming up in a little bit.

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I want to get into the Pinder Report because I know we've got Craig coming up in about 15 minutes. So I'm going to do the Pinder Report here for you right now. It's a presentation of Village Honda where that million dollars. buy an event continues. Get cash for your vehicle. Village Honda paying top dollar. Top dollar. Cash. And they'll throw in a tropical cruise to boot. Need those used vehicles. They want to jam that lot fully used, the best used vehicles and are willing to put their money where the mouth is. VillageHonda.com is the website. They are in the Northwest Autumn. They are your dealership for life. As we get into the Pinder Report. We'll start with the the Pantaros and the Maple Leafs. What are they

about the Pantaros, Rhett? Something about, uh, everyone loves the... I think it was chicks dig the Pantaros when they went on the road. That's right. So, uh, hey, Toronto, lock up your daughters because what a night it was. Round two underway. You may have heard the Leafs finally got out of the first round this year, Retro. I don't know if you heard that.

Uh, it's just a little bit of news, uh, about on the weekend, I suppose. They were so excited. Now remember, this goes back after the clinching game against Tampa Bay. everybody's outside in the whatever mosh pitting they're doing outside the rink. Now remember what the fans were chanting after this win? Take a listen here. All right.

It was Florida or the Boston Greens. So it seemed like Florida the softer touch. That's what the Leaf fans wanted. That's what they got. The Panthers jump out with a 4-2 win in game one. Florida leads at one game to none as the Leafs. I mean, they weren't terrible, but the old for four of the power play doesn't help. You got to get that power play going.

But how about you talk about guys coming up and I'll run through a few guys here. I mentioned for Hague, I'll get into detail again. Brandon Montour, remember he had two goals. Oh, against Boston. Wasn't it again in game seven? He has six goals in eight playoff games. I remember when I'm mad. I got to imagine.

I remember when Pinder was lamb basting. that trade out of out of out of uh her he came from from buffalo why would you pick up montour what a terrible he's good yeah it's it's because the analytics that all the graphs his van diagrams and his buddy j fresh all the data and numbers on montour were atrocious last year he had 37 points in 81 games so 37 points two years ago this past season, 73, 5th in defense scoring. That's a breakout. Are those all the weaker points that he just kind of pick up?

I would take 37 points. I think 37's damn good. 73 is phenomenal. Carter Verheaggie scores again. He's got 11 goals already this postseason. That's now the new Florida Panther franchise record for goals in a single postseason. He's got them in eight games. He's beat pie?

I think pie had it. It was pie and Ray Shepherd. We're tied with 10. Yeah, so he's got 11 now. Another game winner for Verhege, going back to last season, the four wins against Washington, four wins this year against Boston and now won against Toronto. Nine playoff wins. Verhege has the game winner in six of them.

That's incredible. And our old friend Sam Bennett a goal in an assist and Matthew Kachuk. It really hurts. It hurts my heart because you loved them. This is exactly what you do. He was capable of doing. Off the charts, good. Where did this go wrong?

Where was this mismanaged? Can we make, can we lamb-based someone because they aren't there anymore? COVID. Blame COVID. Okay. There's an American guy. And the other thing of it is, too, I just think, I just remember his dad when he was in Winnipeg. He was a very good player.

but he just didn't want to be in Winnipeg. He was from Boston. He wanted to play in a big American market. He signed an offer sheet to go to Philadelphia. Winnipeg matched it. And then they moved to Arizona. So that was good for a bit. But I just, I just think Matthew,

but he knew he knew that he was good enough, he was a good enough player that he was going to be able to kind of call his shots. Prior to COVID, prior to COVID, was he not up for a contract and we wouldn't pay him? It was, there was a bridge deal made or something? Yeah, he wanted, I mean, he wanted big money, right? He wanted the eight years. And I get it. I get it.

He wanted, I think he wanted like nine, ten million a year for eight years. And at that time, it was, well, you're, you've had a good year. But let's, let's talk. How about seven? How about something? I wonder what that number was. I know. It's hard because you made a good, you made a good points.

You made a good point. in the pre-show about Bennett, Big Mouth Bennett. If we hadn't traded him to Florida, yeah, if we hadn't traded Bennett to Florida and he's calling all his buddies and Cagher, he's saying, fellas.

Well, it's great fellas. I remember. Because as soon as he left, and remember, he was kind of the first one gone. This was before Goudreau and Kachan and all of this sort of happened. Out goes Bennett, goes to Florida. And I remember the story came out of two or three weeks afterwards.

How's life in Florida? Well, I won't lie to it. It's pretty good. He went out and bought like a McLaren or a Maserati or a Lamborghini or something. I'm driving my Lambo to the rink every day. I'm in flip flops. This is fucking great.

You guys wouldn't believe it. Shut up, Benny. You ruined it for everybody. Plus, you shouldn't drive those fancy fast cars and flip flops. That's true. You need driving gloves and racing boots. Yeah.

So as far as Kachuk, three assists, nine hits, 20 minutes, 45 seconds, and ice time. He's the heartbeat of this team. Somebody said he's the best American in the playoffs, maybe the best American player right now. He's one of the best players in the playoffs right now, let alone American. I mean, after dry sidle, McDavid, you're not having to squint too hard. I know Jack, our guy has been texting. He's asking, where is Kachuk right now in the whole scheme of things? he's back to back 100 plus point seasons everything that he brings to the table as far as you know what he is to play against that sort of know what he is he's cheap as chips for what he's given you he's cheap as chips chips are delicious they are so delicious it kills me uh darren haynes our buddy darren haynes went and did the math 27 playoff games with calgary chucky had 15 points

Eight playoff games with Florida, 14 points. Now, does that 27 count the stupid playing round? I think probably it does. Yeah. And in there, I remember he took out shifley. Yeah, he took shifle. Dirty, dirty player. Four straight wins for your buddy Bobber.

Sergei Birovsky had been kind of left for dead earlier this season. The ties Beezer for longest playoff winning streak of Panthers history. Set that in 96, right, bro. You may recall. Sergei Bobrovsky made some big saves I didn't know I mean it happens

he was with remember he was with Columbus when they booted Tampa Bay that year in round one so he's got the ability it just makes there's some real high highs

and low lows with that guy some days he just looks like he should never be playing in the league again and then other times it's well yeah this is the guy that's worth 10 million the year

like trying to think of Beezer winning four in a row but I don't remember four in row four straight wins is what it says here uh speaking of 96 this win is the first for florida in round two since 96 now remember they had that they won the playoff round last year was their first playoff round win since 96 but then they got swept by tampa base so they had not won a game in round two yeah yeah last time would have been against the bad boys the the broad street bullies in the old spectrum

with Lindross and Leclair just running around crushing people. Yeah, because it was a sweep in the final, I recall, too, right? Friggin' Uve croup. Oofi croup. Come on. Now, as it turns out, in Toronto,

big crowd, everybody's so excited in Toronto. It turns out not everybody is cheering for the Leafs in Toronto. Now, someone had a keen eye here. It was on the broadcast. If you look at this pick here, It's a screenshot from after one of the goals. So here's a, it's in Toronto, but hey, here's a couple, two nothing, right, game one.

A couple Florida Panthers fans. Maybe it's for Hagey's mom and dad or sister. I'm not sure what it is. So there you go. It's not crazy to think that there be some Florida Panthers fans in Toronto. But somebody, then the detectives went to work, the internet police and the internet detectives went to work. I kind of recognized that guy. Didn't I see that guy?

Before. Oh, wait, well, wait a minute. Now, the same two, same seats, same two people last round, cheer for Tampa Bay. So what the hell? So we go a little bit deeper. Somebody's like, you know what? I swear I recognize that guy. Really some good detective work. Look at this fucking guy. That's for the regular season, dudes in the same seats wearing an Arizona jersey after a game. winner for the coyotes. That is some dedication. Ever. My new favorite fan best ever. Whatever. Anti-leafs.

He's it. And you know what? He's got to be doing well for himself because you got to shell out some dough to have season tickets in the lower bowl and all those jerseys. Do you think he's got like 31 NHL teams in his closet and just cycles through them whenever somebody's in town to play the Leafs? Not bad.

I hope so. I hope so. All of a sudden, a big game, too, for all the lead fans. He was even coming up on TV. He was being a cat for a way. Yeah.

It's good stuff. The other game, Seattle, improved to four and one on the road this postseason for the second straight series. They're out to a way one game to none lead. They stun Colorado. And now it's,

it's Dallas. Beat them in overtime by a score of five to four. They actually had it. a four-two lead in this one. They scored three in the first in 52 seconds to go up four to two, gets to overtime. Yanny Gord spins, fires, beats Jake Ottinger over the shoulder. Eberley, Bork, Strand, both with a goal and an assist, and there you have it.

Maddie Baneers, getting the point there as well. How about Joe? Look at Joe. Well, it's about time. He started putting up some points. He was terrible in the first round. well he got cabonged if you remember in the first round against the minnesota wild he was useless terrible pick if you picked him he was awful he was invisible after that hit by uh dumb then

you know and then this comes up after i'm berating guys for being 30 can't perform slow and useless he uh it was rocket richard previously now joe pevelsky the oldest player in hl history to have a four goal game. There he's nine for nine in the face off, dot, six shots, just under 20 minutes of ice. Unbelievable. Incredible player. And I remember when he signed with Dallas,

it was like, he, I don't know, man. Signed him, signed him again. He just continues to be so valuable. And you talk about a guy who is, he's not one, obviously, with San Jose all those years that couldn't get over the hump, but he is American, but he could probably play for me. I like a master.

I like him out. Philip Brubauer, 31 saves. Game two goes on Thursday. There you have it. So tonight, the other two series will get underway. We'll start with Carolina and New Jersey. Carolina has been off since Friday. They took care of the New York Islanders in six.

And of course, the Devils just beat the Rangers on Monday night. They split their four game set in the regular season. There you have it. Two and two, two, two one to one. You know how it goes. Most, now, I guess of this, it's worth noting. They played the four games. The Devils won the final two.

So as they kind of got through the season, they got better against the Cains. Three nothing shutout win on March 12th, the most recent win for the Devils against Carolina. But it was Vitech Vanichek in net for that one, if you recall. He was the guy who started the playoffs, but now it's Kira Schmidt. This guy's been unbelievable. He's played the last five games and put them on his back and that win against New York. Now, the canes, no Svetnikov, no Terra Vina, no patcher ready. The devils are feeling.

I think we both took the devils to win this series, did we not? Or you took the Kings. I have no clue. So it's opposite of whatever you and Pinder were. Rock me like a hurricane, I believe, I said. Right. You love the Scorps. That's a five o'clock start tonight,

mountain time. And then, oh, mama, Edmonton is in Vegas to play the Golden Knights. The Oilers fared pretty well against Vegas this season. 3.0 and 1, including two wins in Vegas. Interesting, four different goalies played for Vegas in the four games. They had Aidan Hill, Logan Thompson, Laurent Broussaugh, and Jonathan Quick,

all played against the Oilers. However, one win for the Golden Knights, it was Brasois, the former Euler, who got it. He will be the guy in net tonight. So I know we both picked the Oilers in this series in relatively short and tidy fashion. They've been, they've been hugely impressive. They really have. Since that trade at the deadline to pick up Matthias Eckholm, they have won 22 of their last 27 games. And it's not.

you can I think you can confidently say now for the first time since he showed up that this isn't just Connor McDavid. This is more than just a Connor McDavid team. And obviously dry sidle in there. It just feels like now they've got the Kane edition. Say what you will about his off ice BS, but he's a star forward. And they've got some depth and their D is better. And I like their goaltending better than it has been.

jeez i i need to check myself in because i'm have i i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm want them to win this series i can't when as soon as you said it i was i was actually i'm like i can't cheer for vegas i'm almost i know let's move on move on okay now some uncertainty this could be more good news for the oilers not just that we're on the bank Handwagon. Mark Stone of the Golden Knights. You know, he missed the good chunk of the second half of the year. He's got, he's had back issues for for so long. Video here from yesterday, practice at their practice facility for the Golden Knights. Now you'll see skating off is Mark Stone partway through. Now this either looks like he's got some IBS or his back is bugging him again. Watch the walk here. This is what you called

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Isn't that Camelary Camelary's making millions Not anymore I think they sold it some week did they and matt nickel good guys talk to them there you go oilers did you yesterday next them come on n hl announced their lady bing nominees because i know you love gentlemanly players and big no gentlemanly conduct i waited up to hear this he didn't have to it was like late afternoon new jersey devil center jack hughes the king's o's kofatar and brayden point the three finalists

for the Lady Bing awarded to, quote, the player adjudged to have established the best type of sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct combined with a high standard of playing ability. I had a quote. People in Vancouver very upset that Patterson didn't get nominated here.

Are they? Can you have 100 points this year? Yeah, I didn't think anyone in Vancouver was watching hockey anymore. Yeah. Selke Award. That's, everyone loves a good Selke. Patrice Bergeron.

New Jersey's Nico Hescher and Hitch Marner of the Leafs. Three finalists for the Frank J. Selke awarded to, quote, the forward, who best excels in the defensive aspects of the game, end quote. Tell you what? Martyr? If you start watching this devil's team, this friggin 80 points in 81 games, 31 goals, he's on the ice all the time. And I think that this was a first overall pick that maybe left.

people wanting this it gets kind of into those if pinder we're here he'd be able to tell you all about it it's the nerd numbers the goals four goals against five on five and he's on the ice he's a shutdown guy who's also a point per game took a while but this guy has arrived the saving grace for the devils was the fact that that other kid wouldn't eat pizza so they were like no chance if you're not going to have a slice of pie living in jersey new york area we don't want Logan Patrick, is that who it was? I don't know. Was it Logan?

Yeah. Or Patrick, Nolan Patrick. Nolan Patrick. Yeah, the Wheat King. How do you not eat pizza? It is a red flag. All right, thanks for coming in. Logan, great meeting.

Thanks. Well, hey, good luck on Friday. Not a fucking chance. Do you hear what we said about pizza? Fuck. We had pizza on the desk. He wouldn't take a piece. Wouldn't touch it.

Wouldn't touch it. Like, at least Gadro would have cheese. Pete's. You know, he wouldn't have any of the pepperoni. It was only cheese, but this guy wouldn't have any. It's like that weirdo from Stan Peters coach, Dickinson and his burgers. He doesn't like burgers or so. Weirdo. Dave Dickinson.

What are you talking about Dave? Come on. Dave. What was his thing? He didn't like burgers. He's above a burger. It's too good for the burger. How can he be above a burger?

Trio of Calgary. Flames headed to Finland to suit up for, I think it's Finland, right, for Team Canada at the Men's World Hockey Championships. Macenzie Weger and he agreed to go a couple. Is it Latvia? Yeah, I don't know what the hell is. And Finland. It's not the same thing.

They're combined. Tofoli is in. Tyler Toffoli coming off his best offensive season in the NHL, 34 goal, 73 points, played at the world's in 2015 for Canada, winning gold. And Milan Luchich. Now we know why he was on the ice with the Wranglers there last week or whatever it was. himself in shape, Looch is off to the worlds to play for Team Canada. Is that a good sign for Team Canada or is that a red flag?

Oh, sure. Leadership. We're going to take one of these. We're going to take a timeout on the Pinder report and we will come back with the second half. That's not the last couple stories on the Pinder report. But you don't make when you get these kind of guests on the show, you don't make them wait.

former NHL general manager part of the Cool Button podcast with Steve Coolius there he is look at him looking sharp ready to roll Craig button joins the show hi Craig how are you man I am good do you know it was amazing though to watch ret I mean he's got that beautiful red shirt on and I could feel his skin crawling underneath him when he was thinking about I don't want Vegas to win what that means I have to have to pick somebody and I I mean, that's just the way it is, right, Brett? I mean, there's just no way around it. My brother cheered for the Oilers when I was young and he would rub it in my face. And I grew up and my dad grew up near where Trache grew up. So I was supposed to be an Islander fan. And then the Oilers are, I've disliked them for my whole existence as a person. It goes against everything, everything.

How did Steve Stales were at Calgary, James Jersey after all those years it evident. Is he not back working for that organization too? He is, yeah. He's a real sharp guy and he's doing a whole host of different things. I mean, did a great job with Hamilton and grew to the Memorial Cup last year. They didn't win, but real sharp guy and he's back there. And I think he'll find himself into the serious areas of management in the not too distant future.

We talk. And I got to tell you guys, too. Anybody that's anti-burger, anti-pisa, I mean, that is character-defining. It is. It was part of your GM. I don't trust the interviews, right? When you interviewed kids, you were like, hey, what kind of pizza eat? Well, I say the same thing about people that don't like fart jokes.

If you don't like a fart joke, and if you don't like pizza or burgers, get out. It's a huge red flag. Can't trust them. Lie. If you don't like pizza, just lie. Just say, you know what? I'm really full. I had a big breakfast. Don't go anti-pita, anti-verger. It's weird people. These kids nowadays, Craig, kids nowadays. As I was saying, we had you on not that long ago to

welcome you to the company, the Nation Network with the with Cool Button, you and Cooley. And at the time, I guess we were talking about Brad for Living and Daryl Sutter and the relationship between the two and what was it. Was it really maybe as bad as we were led to believe? and I'll all kind of figure itself out and they'll all come together. Yet here we are now and the GM leaves and then two weeks later the coach leaves. The order doesn't really make sense to me. It makes me wonder why one, why both happened if one could have happened. Your take on what you've seen here is now Calgary is without GM or coach.

Yeah, well, it's interesting because Brad had been here for so long and then he steps away. And I mean, you know, Darrell with two years left on his contract, you know, you would think, okay, this is a scenario where, you know, people are going to have to understand, okay, what can we do better? What can we manage better? How can we coach better? And, you know, every situation with a coach and a manager is going to have its moments of friction. That's just normal course of operation. But, you know, when Brad leaving and, you know, and maybe one in a longer term contract, and not being there and feeling that, hey, listen, I want to be rewarded for the work that I've done. I get that part of it. But with Darrell being let go, I wasn't surprised and yet I was surprised. You know, surprised in the sense that like, you know, you put a stake in the ground. You know, you've talked about, you know, you've got to learn how to be coached by Darrell. We know Darrell is a good coach. But through the process that Don Maloney went through, not Brad Trilliving, I think that, you know,

Don decided that it was probably best. And I don't know this either. Like you make one decision thinking, okay, we're going to keep Darrell. But maybe in the process of looking at other candidates to be the general manager, people are saying, I'm not coming in and out of the work under that environment. And, you know, maybe that's what led Don Maloney to make that decision on Darrell. But, you know, one of the things that I think is important is that it's a fresh slate. And for the players that may not have liked Darry that may have.

expressed that they weren't coming back to play or they weren't excited about coming back to play, you know, this is squarely now back on them to come back and play and play well and play to their capabilities. There will be no passing the block or blaming others for lack of production, especially the high pay flip guys. You mentioned Fresh Slate and I know that Don Maloney, he used that in his press conference the other day and I got to thinking afterwards, boy, a year ago. And they, when Goodrow scores the OT winner, game seven and you're off to round two, It didn't feel like a team that needed a fresh slate, you know. No one was questioning Daryl or or Tr Living or the team, quite frankly.

It all went very south in a very, in a short amount of time. And I guess now we talked about it earlier and I'll ask you, if you're a potential, if you're a candidate for this GM job, how would you characterize the team that you would be taking over? Some call it a mess. Some say that you're, there's so much cap implications. There's nothing you can do to maneuver. You've been a GM.

If you were coming in, how would you describe the situation here? Well, I think it's a capable team. I think we look at it. We're all surprised that they missed the playoffs based on the quality of player they had. And certainly, you know, Kachuk has shown how valuable he was to the team. We know how good Goudreau was and it didn't mesh. But at the same time, there's still a lot of good players there. I think boomer going forward, it's about next summer.

You know, like if all the players that are potential unrestricted, if free agents don't return, that creates a real challenge for the Calgary planes. Because you're losing, you're losing to Foley, you're losing Lindholm, you're losing Hanofin, you're losing Tannup. You're now losing some really good players. So I think for a manager coming in, it's about looking at what you have and sustaining it and trying to create an environment and a team that can have success so that you can keep certain players and obviously the cap is always going to play into it but and also if you can't keep

some players be able to attract some others i mean the category planes attracted march from here they attracted chris tannock here they attracted nas and cadry here that's not by accident it was players are looking competitive players are looking for an opportunity to be successful so that was that was in place so i think that for a new gm that's what you're trying to create and that's what you're you're trying to do and you know that when you got traded here you know that the team hadn't made the playoffs and then through your tenure here i mean it was a really good team and you're able to attract players here and you were a good team and you know you might say okay back in oh one or oh two it was harder but all of a sudden the team has success and players are excited about success

and i'm sorry red just good players want to compete and they want to have a chance to win I was just going to say there was a time when nobody wanted to go to Tampa Bay. Envision that, right? It was like, that was like, no, no, you don't want to end up there. That is a, that's a black hole. You'll just get lost down there. You don't want to go play there. I mean, is there a place that guys would rather go than Tampa?

I don't know. But it does change. And it's all based on winning. Yeah, I agree. With so much speed and skill and youth. that we're seeing now in the playoffs. Does that, it kind of does to me, and it's careful what you wish for. I just feel like when you talk about potentially extending the likes of a Tanniv to Foley,

backland, even Lindholm, you already have Cadry and Hubertow and Weeger signed long term. Don't you feel like even one more or two more long term contracts to guys on the other side of 30 just feels extremely dangerous for this team right now? It depends how long term they are. You know, is it seven-year deals? Is it four-year deals? Is it three-year deals? And I think it's managing all those different things.

But, you know, look at Luke Shent going to Toronto. And, you know, Bruce Boudreau, I talked to Bruce Boudreau prior to the trade deadline. And he talked about Luke. And he said, Luke really through his years playing in Tampa Bay, back to the Tampa Bay, he said he really learned what the strength in the essence of his game is. And now you watch Luke Shen play. Look at how much he's helping Morgan Riley. You can't have just all Morgan Riley's and you can't just have all Luke Schem. So it's always about a balance in your lineup of what works and where the complementary players fit. Boomer, you're

right. You can have all players on seven-year contracts where you have no flexibility. But I think that you evaluate where players are. And, you know, Tyler Tofoli, I don't think has ever been a fast skater. But he's a really good hockey player. You know, we got to factor that in, too. You know, one of the things I remember Bob Daney saying this about Guy Cardinal later in his career. He said, yeah, a couple of things, he doesn't skate as fast as he once did, but he knows where to go. And if he doesn't, if he can't get there, he knows where to stand. So some players are really fast and have no idea what they're doing or where to go. is there a benefit or a caution or negative i guess with that there's seven guys coming up

on last year of their deal we've all seen it guys play the pretty damn typically guys play real good the last year their deal like can that play into the flames hands a little bit where either you're going to see results, obviously, or even if you're not, if you're struggling and you don't think you're making the playoffs, but I feel like if everyone's playing up on the last year of a deal, right? Like I think it's really muddy because I don't know what to think about that. If guys show up and they're playing their asses off and they're having great years, that's awesome. Okay, we're going to make the playoffs. Let's reward these guys. They've done it again. They got a new coach. They came in and he changed the attitude.

And then two years out, it's, oh, we signed these guys to long year contracts. And now they've kind of dropped off. They all had career years last year. I worry about that a little bit. And it is something to worry about it. And there, Rhett becomes, I think, a real part and the real essence of the manager's job. You know, understanding that there's the here and now. And then understanding what will this look like in two.

two, three years time. And that's why I talked about, you know, how long is long term. And, and, you know, players want longer term. I get it. And I think you're spot on, too. You know, players are competitive number one. Number two, you have an expiring contract. You want to show that, hey, I'm deserving of a contract, whether it be with the current team or elsewhere. And you do play. It's just a little bit of an extra incentive. And I think it becomes something really, really, you know, important. And we're a team. So if you're the Calgary Flames, at the very least, you can, okay, we made the playoffs.

And, you know, you can look and say, hey, here's where we're, here's where we're at. And here's what we can offer. But if you're a successful team, then you might be able to attract other players. Like losing Kachuk and losing Gujarro, they were able to get Cadrug. I mean, they were able to get Jonathan Hubert-owned Weeer on longer-term contracts, and we can debate how they're going to look, but they were able to do that because the team had success.

I think even if players leave or management makes a decision to say, hey, listen, we can't sign to that contract. We're going to have to let you go. You might be able to attract some other players. I mean, Blake Coleman came to the Calgary Flames. I mean, they were ready to pay him. I think Blake's been a real good solid player for the flames in his time here. But if you don't have success, I think that's where it becomes really hard to ice a competitive team.

Because now your good players don't want to be here. And now other players don't want to come. But even if you're out of the playoffs, you can trade some of these players to the trade deadline. I would be shocked like I really would be. I'll say this now if the flames aren't in the playoffs next year. I think they have too many good players to not qualify for players. I'm not saying it's easy, but I'd be shocked if they're not in. Do you think they can compete in the playoffs?

We've got recency bias going on, but you see the teams in the way they're built right now, the teams that are having success, and it's youth and its speed and its enthusiasm, and it's zoom, zoom, zoom. Now, Darrell Sutter does not, wow. I don't know that he coaches that way and he certainly doesn't believe in the youth to play that way. But do the flames have that game in them? Because they were close even with all this dysfunction, they were close to making the playoffs. But I don't know that if they make the playoffs, I'm picking them to beat anyone.

And that's fair enough. And I guess we come back to players playing to their level of capability. it. You know, I think Jacob Markstrom's good enough. I think the blunder defensive play was was really solid this year. And I think where I look at their team offensively, can they find like you talk about zip, that pace, that quickness? And it doesn't always have to just be an offense. It has to be in being able to push teams back. And I look at the New Jersey doubles. Look at what they did to the Rangers. They just kept pushing them back. And like, yes, they have Hughes and Hissier and some really good players.

But also the bottom end of their lineup, I mean, Michael McLeod scores the winning goal short-handed because of that speed and that ability to keep opponents off balance. I think that that's what they need a lot more on. I think that, and my own feeling is, is it everybody wants high-end skill. But I think if you're trying to build your team out, the easiest place, not that it's easy, is to try to find guys with speed that can play the bottom part of your forward group.

I think that's where the penguins find themselves. I don't worry about Crosby with Malkin or Gensel. I worry about the bottom end of their forward group, those third and fourth lines. And I'll go back to your own experiences. You go back and you knew when you were going out on the ice, you go, uh-oh, I might be headed in my own zone this shift. And you know it was comforting when you had it, you're out with a forward group and third or fourth line that could keep the pressure on the other team.

And you knew what it was like as a head. a defenseman to have to face those teams. I think that that's where the flames are short right now. And I wonder, you make a good point there because they're, I'll call it their fourth line last year. I feel like that was, that was just dead ice time. There was, there was nothing productive about it. And I don't think you need your fourth line to produce 50 points per player or anything like

that. But what you need your fourth line to do is produce some energy and where you can throw them out then they're going to get in the offensive zone and the other teams are going to like playing against them they're going to create chaos and havoc and fatigue for the other team that might be the best way the flames can improve their roster is to insert whether it's youth and guys that are there like pelcher this or i don't know where everybody slots in as far as that's concerned but having a fourth line that can actually contribute and have a role and be more effective might be a huge game changer for the squad.

Well, and I think it does. I mean, you think of some of the good teams you played on. You've been to the Stanley Cup final three times. And you consider like, you know, some of the players you had on those teams. And they might not have shown up big on the score sheet or in the stats summary. But they were players that carry play for you. in the games and helped you win. And those become really, really significant for success.

And I don't think the flames have enough of that, just to your point. And you bring it up only because I can think of it. Our team in Buffalo, we had Haschick and then we had a bunch of speedsters up front. I mean, that was, that's what it was. They weren't named guys. They were just fast. And I think that people underestimate the speed of the 0304 team. It was a different era and it was tougher.

blah, blah, blah, but Chris Clark, Lombardi, there was a whole Watt, Donovan, there was a whole wacky guys that could fly around and get to Pucks and pressure the other team. If the flames can start doing some of that, then maybe there's a chance. I've been bitching about the way, so I don't know. Yeah, no, and I agree, but, but you know, but looking at a specific area and then trying to find out, okay, who are the players that could fit that role, right? You're talking about Sean Donovan. Sean Donovan was no fun to play against because he was so fast. He had weight to his game and he closed on your heart. Like you knew you had to make a play.

I mean, Chris Clark was like that, you know, Matthew Lombardi. But you consider the different types of players that can impact the game in different ways. Yeah, there was Jerome there and there was the Jellina there. And certainly, you know, Connie had his roles and everything. But bottom line is those other players were no fun to play against. they had a real different identity this year without Gibranson on the back end and obviously without Kachuk for so many reasons. It's so hard right now, Craig, to watch Kachuk because he's just, there may not be a better player in the playoffs. He's doing absolutely everything.

But you really, you could count on him to provide that kind of spark and energy. We talked about a lot that pulls guys into the, into the scrap and into the fire a little bit. And Goodbranson in a day where you don't need the nuclear deterrent big tough. guys. He was kind of that and gave you some good decent minutes. Crazy to look back and think that you'd be lamenting the loss of a guy like Cabranson, but I think that they did miss him a bit this year. Well, they put they put their Branson into a good spot. They put Zadour off into a really good spot. They didn't ask them to do more than they were capable of. Red will tell you this, and I know this about Darrell. Darrell will never ask you to do more than you're capable of,

but you better not give them less. And he'll try to put you in spots where you can excel. He won't put you, he'll try to, he'll make sure he doesn't put you in a bad spot, but you better not give him less. And I think for Eric and Branson, so Doroff is another example, you know, just being able to take their game and just here's the parameters, here's the line. No, just go and play in that regard. I talked to Nikita last year. What was he a scratch after the first two games for nine or ten games in a row?

And then he came back. And Nikita said, he goes, I've never been on. He goes, every day the coaches, Darrell and the coaches spent time with me. Here's what we need for me. here's what we need from you. It was in the past, I just would go to the press box. I'd wait for somebody to tell me I'm in the lineup. He goes, they worked with me every day during that stretch.

He goes, and I came back with a really clear understanding of what I needed to do. And I think that Eric had a really good season with the Calgary planes. Obviously, you go and get that type of a contract offer from Columbus. You're going to take it and good for Eric. But, you know, understanding where players fit into your lineup. But they're just asking him to do that. I think that's that's another really important element. You don't have to ask Eric and Branson to run your power play

with the penalty killing last year with Eric. And Eric was able to swing to the left side a lot of times penalty killing with TANF. That was a really good group, a really good pair of killing penalties as well. Well, we can move on before we let you go. And I know the answer to this question because I saw on Twitter, episode 135 is out of the cool button. hockey podcast and I saw you on TSN. We were talking about the Oilers in Vegas, the Golden Knights starting tonight. Safe to say you share in our enthusiasm for the Oilers going into this

series. I do because I think they found a way to push the offense and they have a lot of offensive in Afghanistan against a really good L.A. King's defensive team. And, you know, I think the Vegas Golden Knights have six defensemen, you know, they have two number one defensemen and Teodor. and Petrangelo on the blue line. And I think that when you look at those six guys, their record with those six defensemen in the lineup, McNabb, Haig, White Cloud, Martinez, it's off the charts.

But I like the fact that Edmonton was able to find a way to really get LA out of their game. We're gonna have to do the same thing against Vegas, and I think they can. And you have those kind of spin-off effects sometimes, when and we're seeing it in Edmonton where where Bouchard's play has elevated with the addition of Matthias Ekholm. So it's not just the insertion of Matthias Ekholm. It's what it's done for some other guys around him. Minutes, situational play, everybody's a little bit better. What it's, I got I,

I saw Domi had three assists for Dallas last night, but I just can't think of a deadline deal that's had a bigger impact in the league. I think one of the things too that really, really happened. is it took some of the burden off at Donnell Nurse having that cone there. And like, Donnell Nurse was the player on the left side that had to do all the heavy lifting. He had to do it all. Now at home can share in that. And I think that eases the burden on,

on Donnell. Darnell is going to give you everything he's got. That's just the way he's wired. That's the way he plays. And I think just, you know, taking some of that pressure off, you know, boomer, I saw it with our team in Dallas. We had Darien Hatcher, big, strong, competitive, you know, impact the game.

But when we got Darrell Sador, Darrell was able to take some of the offensive pressure off. I mean, he wasn't a physical player like Darian, but he was able to take some of that offensive pressure off of Darian and really allowed Darien to just kind of zero in. Again, going back to here's what we need from you and we don't need anything more. Just give us that. And I think that the Atcombe trade has had tentacles not only for Bouchard, not only for their defensive play, but also for Darnell Nurse. And I think that's the definition of an impact trade. I was just thinking about this. And I don't want to keep you for too long.

But we had Frank Cerevelli on yesterday. And they're talking about the fallout with the New York Rangers. And I know that with the Rangers and with the Boston Bruins. I know that Boston had their exit interviews and all that sort of thing. The Panthers were one of the best teams in the league last year. So to lose to Florida, it's 43 points. It's a huge upset. But how big of an upset is it?

And for the Leafs to be. beat the lightning and for the devils to beat the Rangers, there's really no shame in any of these losses, but their first round losses and the expectations are high and the money is in the millions and millions of dollars. To think that Gerard Gallant or just some of these guys could possibly be in danger of losing their job is crazy to me. I guess just thoughts on either Boston or maybe the Rangers with where they go from here now. Well, probably the first thing I would suggest to Don Sweeney and to Chris Drury as phone Julian Breedlock. They went through or phone Steve Isman who was there and, you know, what was your thought

process going through that? And, you know, certainly, you know, there's the disappointment. Then there's like, how did this happen? And then you get mad and then you have other pressures coming in. And I think being able to keep a modicum of rationale in these moments is, really important because to be knee jerk you know you usually don't realize you're a knee jerk and i shouldn't say you realize your knee jerk or reacting but you don't realize the impact of being knee jerk until it's too late you know and and you've made a move and you're going why did we do that

we've seen teams do that in the past you don't make moves based on you know immediately prior results and when you think about and i remember i remember the tamper bay lightning saying this they go we had a bad eight days versus Columbus. So we're going to throw everything else out. But Julian Breesbar recognized there were some things that have to change. We talked about, they added Blake Coleman. They added Barkley Goodrow. Again, we talked about the flames earlier, Boomer. You know, the thing that they had all the skill, but they didn't have enough of that other part of their game. And I think that, you know, we're watching Annie Gordon now play for the Seattle Cracken. I mean, he was an instrumental part of the success in Tampa Bay. So I think the Bruins

like half that, I read something by, by Chara, where he was talking about, hey, some of the older players that's coming closer to the end, who are the younger players that are going to take on the mantle? And I think that that becomes something really significant for Don Sweeney. I think for Chris Drury, I liked what they did last year and going into the I like the addition of Andrew Kopp. I didn't think that they did the things that strengthened their team this year. Patrick Kane's a Hall of Famer. They had already traded for Teres It was almost like they got caught into this. We're Broadway, we're MSG, we need to, you know, bring the stars in.

Andrew Kopp was a really key addition last year to their team. Patrick Kane, as good as he is and what a great Hall of Famer he is, he didn't have the same impact for the Rangers as Andrew Kopp did last year. Yeah. It's these poor GMs, hey, Craig? These GMs are so much pressure on. So much. all these tough decisions.

Do you miss it? Is there a party that still, you kind of miss it, or are you happy to just kind of be free of all that pressure and stress? Because it's got to be more stress. What you love being, Boomer, I'll tell you,

what you love being part of, there's nothing better than being part of a team. Because a team has a very clear goal on what they're trying to achieve, right? And you have people sacrificing players that are all in. And it's come playoff time

that you sit down and you say, geez, like you can feel it in your bones. And I think that's, when you miss it. Do you miss it in November? No. Do you miss it in January? No. And certainly, you know, again, there's there's nothing that I think gets gets the juices flowing, gets your attention more than the pursuing something that you can only achieve as a collective group. You can't do it individually. And that's exciting. And that's something you just don't get. You don't get in the media. You don't get doing that job. You get it to be a part of a team.

And that's the part I miss. But as I said before, I really like what I'm doing. And I enjoy trying to add different perspectives from my experiences. But this feeling come playoff time, like I get, I get dialed right into it. Yeah, Rhett much prefers this than back to his playing days. This is this is really what gets his motor running, doing the podcast. And the paycheck is phenomenal. That's right.

He doesn't miss November, January, like I said, but like died in the wool competitors, and Rhett was a died-in-foot-wolf competitor, and he's no different now. You know, it's this time of the year. The important games when you know, you know, Rhett was drafted by the Florida Panthers when Bob Clark was there. And I remember asking Bob Clark one time because I worked with him in Minnesota. I said, like, do you miss playing? He goes, nope. He goes, I'd like to play one more game when I was at the peak of my career when it mattered.

That's what he said he missed. Cool button hockey podcast. Yeah, it's true, is it? Download it. Wherever you get your podcasts, Steve Cooley is Craig Button, Cool, Button Hockey Podcast on Twitter. At Cool Button Pod is where you can find it. Great stuff. Enjoying your podcast.

Thanks for coming on ours. Maybe in two or three weeks when we're getting ready for a final. get you back love to visit again yeah for sure love joining you guys uh i love listening to you guys you guys do a fantastic job so thanks for having me thanks buddy there you go there's great button right with the uh obviously with tsn getting ready he'd be revving up for the n hl draft and the podcast busy busy guy busy guy where'd you go there did you have to uh no the stupid i've got the computer is plugged in but it's not plugged into the wall team so doesn't really charge when it's not plug into the wall.

It's tough, yeah. Because the cords into the laptop, but then the other end. I can see the cord plugged into the, yeah, computer part here. Right, yeah. It's right here. It's well done. They got, they should make them better, right? How are you supposed to put both ends in?

Let's jump back to the Pinder report. We'll get back into it here for, for Village Honda, just a couple of little things left. It's a game day, right? for the Calgary Ranglers. Their series with Abbotsford picks back up after a four-day break. Just a four-day break. They have a two games to none lead in the best of five series. Jacob Pellche, Matthew Phillips, have the overtime winners in games one and two respectfully.

So there you see you. I can wrap it up at the Abbotsford Civic Center Memorial Hockey Arena Stadium tonight. That's how that goes. Now a couple little things here for you. It feels like, and Pinder was saying that people are now sending these into him. We've been getting them, people are finding them and then submitting them. Fans fighting in the stands.

This is happening a lot at turns out. The latest following a game seven in New Jersey. The devil's, of course, shut out the Rangers. So you see our Ranger fan there. We can let this go. We're going to run it through once. And then I kind of went through. bit of a

I mean it's a bit of a sucker right there a bit of a lefty yeah our buddy the Rangers fan he's just kind of holding up a yeah you got another one there and then guy in the red pants here he starts the lawnmower on him a little bit and then giving him the hey you mister

you watch yourself right there so kind of went back and and took a look here so there's our buddy in the jersey and the guy in the black devils he's going to take a shot right there didn't see it coming and if you watch watch the wife she even even the the lady friend gets clipped on the jaw right there with the left as it comes through real gentleman and then

you'd think guy would be ready he just took one he's going to get popped a second time get your hands up dude and now it's an odd man situation he's never he's never fought a lefty he's not used to that it's coming from a different angle the devil's definitely have some extra attackers here he's giving them the what's up. So I slow this down. Is that guy got a chain on? Wait, wait. Come outside, you fuck.

Oh yeah, he's got a real chain going. Whoa. Yeah. Like a chain chain. I know. He was willing to sucker punch the guy holding the sign, but he wanted no part of a dude with the chain around his neck. And I don't know. The wife took a glancing blow.

He lost his glasses somewhere in this melee. It's a tough one. it's and he was coming through held off on that second left but then dude's not ready oh and then down he goes look at red pants whoopty whoopty whoopty whoopty there it must be that guy ahead of him that started all this kerfuffle right because that guy that got punched he's looking up yeah and i like guy and with the red hat he gets in there's like yeah see you see you buddy pop poor mom You know what? I get the feeling this isn't the first time he's done this sort of thing in public.

She seems very much. She was not stunned by this. She very, yeah, this seems not phased. Ah, New York. See, that's why you gotta wear the right jersey. You can't be muckin' around New Yorkie. Dummy. Watch Red Hat come down the stairs here. Hey, fuck you.

Come outside, you fuck. Come on. Then red hat gets right to his face. Yeah, see ya. Thanks for joining. Thanks for joining the fray. Good stuff. And the last thing to wrap up the Pinder report.

There's nothing time sensitive about this, but I saw it. And it had been released in the last day or so. And then I saw some other guys retweeting it. So I thought I'd shared with you. Here's two guys. It's a couple of guys. They go by the Shepmates on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube. They're a pair of Aussie twins.

So just hang on for a sec, Alex. They're Aussie twins. And they've put out some videos where they lip sync the play-by-play commentators of various sports. Then they add their own kind of flare to it. I'm not sure how they decided to do this clip. But the latest video they put out is their take on the Oilers broadcast team of Jack Michaels and Bob Stoffer calling the Edmonton-Calgary line brawl from February of 2020. Take a watch. shot redirected behind talbot poked in by gagne but it's going to be waved off and now talbot lands a couple of shots on gawne yeah there's history there's history between gondano and gondi goes after mark jordano and hit him twice and now he's being held from behind and now we've got a wild scrump with fights breaking out all over the place manjapani and chasawd

Giordano has Gagne wrapped up and Matthew Cachuk and Ethan Bear are going to drop the gloves. Bear belts him with the right hand. Cichuk counters with a straight right. Right hook, Ethan Bear. Left jab, Matthew Cacuck. And now we're going to have a goalie fight. Bear throws the right hand. Here comes Camp Talbot and Mike Smith.

They're going to go with Center Ice. Talbot, Shore, with the right hand. Smith, three clubbing right hands. Right hand Talbot. Big right-handed shot from Mike Smith. This is the battle of Alberta we've been waiting for for three decades. Now, apologies if you're just listening, because that's basically, you just listen to the fight call one more time. But the cadence, the memorization of every word.

And I do like dude that got up, the Bob Stoffer in the background, he's so into it. He's forgotten about all the play altogether. So they do some, uh, they do some videos. on darts, some the crazy dart calls and they've done some European soccer. So there you go. Chefmates, if you're so interested. That is the Pinder Report. It is a presentation of Village Honda paying top dollar for your vehicle.

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Super nice guy. Hard working. And did we really kind of get a sense as to what his, what he would do with the older players and younger players? I think. Because like you say, here's the thing. You bring everybody back. Maybe you try and trade him.

You don't get anything that you wanted in a trade. All right. Bring everybody back. hey we're having a hell of a season this is great we're in a playoff spot contending for a division could have home ice are you going to trade one of these guys that's maybe having like you said a career year in their final year of their contract which tends to happen well probably not are you going to take lind home or to well that way if they're having great seasons you're not going to do it so then you're you're watching all these guys leave again which again is maybe you get the

cap space back and that's fine but it's not easy it isn't and that's exactly what happened with Goddrow and all the kind of started all the crap that we've had to deal with here in Calgary. So I don't know. He had me convinced a little bit that if they could upgrade the fourth line, maybe we can compete and have a little speed and energy and everyone else can feed off of that. That's a stretch for me. But you know what though? It's not it's not the it's not the answer, but it's part. You need a buzzsaw. You look at some of these other teams. Even look at Florida when Lomburg and when guys like Garnett Hathaway would go out there and cause some shit and get teams kind of back in their heels a little bit then all of a sudden the first line or the if there's one line that's maybe dogging it a little bit so I better pull our friggin socks up here because now it's now we're going and that's how sometimes it works and what did what what was almost the most exciting part of the year for us walker and his play because he played with pace and passion and convict you're right he's banging and crashing he's he's doing what you want if you had three of those

guys on the fourth line you'd be okay we've got something there but yeah darrell would trot out a fourth line that was an anchor turnover slow i mean it it wasn't effective so maybe that's the difference i just all of i'm really jumping from side to side on this fence because i feel like an hour ago i blow it up please can we just move on from this chapter of flames in our lives but you know what it's easy to say that but you can't right just guys with contracts there's but you try the the moves that you have available to you and that are at your disposal you try and do the best you can with those and i think you're not going to trade markstrom you bring him back i do wonder what they do with bladar

because you'd love to see Wolf graduate. I don't know that there's much left for him to do at the AHL. So if you move Ladar, you get some space there cap-wise and maybe get something for him. I just don't think you bring everyone back. If Oliver Shillington is in fact coming back, and with Weger now on the scene, and I know what we've talked about,

how many minutes and all of this that Noah Hanofin eats, but I just wonder if he's the more replaceable guy. Lindholm's one of your setters. And I guess it depends who's going to get you the most in a trade. If somebody's going to give you a significant return on one of them, not the other. The only thing I,

yeah, the only issue I have with any of that is the D is probably your strength. Right? Like, depending on what Hanifin wants, if you can keep them, it's like we said, he can chew up minutes.

I don't think it's your defense that's holding you back. And I don't know of any defense. that are coming up through the flame system that are ready to step in and contribute, right? And that's why I say I may, because I look at it as your area of strength potentially, where if Schillington comes in, it can be a top four in that mix, plus you've added Weger, but you're right, there's no. But Tannab's leaving and he's getting older.

There's no, right? Like, you're not going to keep, even if you resign TANF, what are you going to get from him as a 34, 35? year old defenseman we've been pretty happy with what he's provided i just you know what it comes down to red i can't i i have a plan but i can't give it away on here for free i mean if yeah once you do your interview yeah once get your interview you'll i'm beating around the bush here all this thing but i mean i've got it all figured out for you uh want to do something here for mccloud law get yourself ready retro because i'm going to need about four minutes of your time uh mcloud law

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Memory Lane, we're going to do this again. I just did it yesterday, but now that we're in the playoffs and significant things happen in the playoffs. Marty Jelanaut 2004, May 3rd against the Detroit Red Wings. We all know how this goes in this game. Now this is, I had kind of forgotten about it. This was a scoreless game. Scorless. And I just hang on because I want to listen to it.

There's something I want to tell you about this feed. First Flames goalie at the time to get consecutive playoff shutouts. 69 combined saves and back-to-back victories for Kipper. as the flames, your flames, are victorious here. Now, a lot of us have heard, this was, I remember at the time, this was one of my favorite play-by-play calls. It's Steve Levy and Darren Pang on ESPN. And the rink, because remember at this time,

the rink was so loud. It was so loud. It was making, people were talking about it league wide, how crazy the crowds were in Calgary all of a sudden. And I was working in Red Deer at the time. And I just had the clip. So the Red Wings are. done and the flames are moving on it was one of my favorite calls from that entire obviously

peter mar with the yeah baby yeah baby kind of stuff but i want to run this from start to finish this is about four minutes of your life uh enjoy it let's go back to may third of 2004 he's hit up high by hatcher leopold was shooting around 60 seconds left in the first sudden death overtime period here's conroy now Oh my. Jelana came flying through. That shot from the Gielder stop. Jets!

No! Won it for the Calgary Flames in sudden death overtime. The Red Wings are done, and the flames are moving on. The Calgary Flames, they deserve this. Boy, they played hard. And in the final minute, when it looked like Curtis Joseph was absolutely going to ride his brilliant play to a seventh game. Who else?

Joel McGillelie. patent and pull-up move look at jelina mr opportunistic on the doorstep no one's paying attention hatchers out of gas he's got an easy empty netter look at the bench of this enthusiastic club that they have worked their tails off in this series for martin jelina it's his second career overtime goal the playoffs second of this postseason second straight series clincher jelina is the hero tonight And there is no goat for Detroit. Boy, Joseph gave them everything. Calgary had some unbelievable chances.

This guy's a star, man. You don't know about him. You haven't seen him. He's a difference maker. Who knows what the Detroit Red Wings will look like come next season as you look at Brendan Shanahan and Curtis Joseph? Who knows what the NHL will look like next season?

The Red Wings, a seventh. Second straight, early postseason exit. Last year in the first round, this year in the second round. There's no doubt there will be some changes. But the nucleus of the Red Wings are still pretty dominant. Hey, Darrell Sutter, what a job. What a great job he's done with these Calgary Flames. He deserves a full load of credit.

Nika Kiprasoff, a consecutive shutout streak in 149 minutes. 11 seconds and counting. Let's go to Aaron Andrews down on the ice. Aaron. All right, Steve, here with Jerome, again. What a hockey game. Tell me what was going through. Oh, I saw Connie get the rebound, and I saw it was slow motion when it went to Jelly.

My hands were actually up almost before it got in. What a player he is. He scored big goals. He's such a leader on our team, Jelly, and that was one of the most exciting goals I've ever seen now. We have to talk about your goaltender, Mika Kippersoff. What a goaler. under duel it was out there. What's it like knowing that he's between the pipes for you guys?

Oh my God. How good has he been? To shout out between wings back to back and the stage you made 35 tonight, Point Blake. We have so much confidence in him. He's been the best goal of this year. He's awesome. Jerome, the team pulls the upset over Van Hoover. You pull the upset tonight over the Red Wings. The team many thought we're going on this team. Oh, it means a lot to everybody in our room. We really believed all year. It's been hard work. This is so much fun. Our fans have been awesome. And you know we want to keep going this is that we're going to enjoy this for a day or two and and they're ready to hopefully try and go further Talk about what has been like playing in front of these fans this is the loudest building I've ever been in Yeah, it's the loudest building I've been in. They've been awesome. They're they're the show I'm the best hockey fans. They support us in the tough times. It's great to see us Finally feel to give something back and enjoy it with them Congratulations. Thanks a lot there. Oh, I don't know. It's pretty tough. We're excited to just be in the next one and have an opportunity for

either team. Jerome, thanks so much. Congratulations. Thoughts as you as you take all of that in. I get teary-eyed seeing my buddy Monty. And I thought Jerome did one hell of a job with that interview. With the noise that's going on and trying to, you know, and give real answers instead of just, oh, 100%. You know, he had some insight and some feeling to it.

so and he's damn loud in there and and one other thing there's been a whipping boy here for you know over the recently mm-hmm but if you go back and watch that clip what's the first thing he does standing behind the bench it's a quick handshake and he walks over to all the guys that weren't playing gives chris simon a hug all the those guys that weren't in the life that's the darrell sutter i know it's hard it's borderline hard to watch that because of where we sit now you have that whole conversation about the flames this and darrell that and all the whole the domes this and yeah that's a long time ago but how young darrell is there and that crowd no one was leaving the game was over and that crowd because they hadn't felt that

in forever. Flags and on the glass and losing their minds. Beasley was just screaming. Oh, yeah. Beasley just losing it. Dary and Hatcher destroyed. Right?

We forget how good that Wings team was. He was just crushed. And like you say, to see Iggy and Robin and all of those guys. let's get back there. It's just the only thing I can think of. That was just one of the best times ever. And you were right in the thick of all that. And then you win the next series.

And Stu almost didn't get into building because I forgot to leave him a ticket. That's right. That's right. So that is a heck of a memory from May 3rd of 2004. When it comes to, it's what McLeod Law is all about. They're Calgary, through and through.

Calgary Roots, big part of their longstanding client relationships, they understand the city and the people in it and the way that things work, like the communities that they serve, a cloud law, varied, diverse, and share a commitment to making a positive impact on our city. Cloud law. Yeah, I love that clip. I love that call. And it is neat to hear because I think we've all seen. And what it also does is it gives you different camera angles because that's the ESPN feed. So everyone is usually that one shot of you throwing your helmet down. And this time you kind of get the side view and some different reactions.

So I just wanted to share that whole thing. But it's, you miss it. There's a new generation of Flames fans that deserve that. And it's weird because that generation of Flames fans hadn't really had it either. There'd been a lot of misery for a long time with the organization. And then you had that. So that, I think it ignites. of a fire in a lot of people again.

We needed another run. We need that kind of passion in the city. Yeah. And then thousands went out on 17th for the Red Mile. That also became that thing. So I don't know if that makes you feel good or bad. I'm not sure what that does. But I thought I was thought I'd share that with you today.

It gets a little emotional, little emotional. Hey, Mother's Day is coming up on May 14th. That's something like next weekend. I believe. So I want to get it into your ear holes again. Vena Nova, if you just did what Rhett did there, you kind of, ooh, you don't need to, ooh,

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Do you got an issue with Peter Mar? I don't have an issue with Peter Marr. I'm a good friend with Peter Marr. Well, that's why I wonder why haven't you have you haven't invited him. It's our show. It seems ignorant on your part. We'll do our Betway bets and we'll get on with our, we'll get on with our day.

There's two games in the NHL tonight, right. I don't know if you knew that. A couple games, two playoff games tonight. Betway, the Betway app on your phone. We'll gloss over it. New Jersey, Carolina.

I'm just going with a straight up money line bet here on the Devils. Carolina's been off for a little bit. I think the Devils are, feeling it they're rolling hey play on the road play at home we don't care plus 100 for a devil's win of any kind tonight and edmonton los vegas or Vegas is they're called i'm doing a little combo a little parley oilers money line and a two point night for leon dry sidle plus 200 for the money line win and leon two points or more for the oilers tonight those are my betway bets of the day What's his nickname?

Leon? Yeah. Is it, is it salty? I'm just, I haven't heard of nickname. Oh, I don't,

I don't know. I'm sure there is one. I'm sure there is one. Because you're not going to call him. But it hit me, it's hit me over the last, it hit me last round where, because there was,

there were very few things that felt better than an oiler's loss. It was nothing feels I just love the oil. And I don't know if it's because we're in, So not cahoots, but we work alongside these Euler nations guys, although whatever, but I don't know. Because I'm with you. It's because they're playing Vegas. We don't like Vegas.

Yeah. It's all it is. I guess so. I guess so. Uh, tomorrow, Pinder will be back on the program we believe. He'll have all kinds. He'll be talking and talking and he'll, he has got some son for sure. there's no doubt about that

how long as he'll either not shut his yap or he'll be so war out from acting like an idiot he won't be able to talk I'm not sure which it'll be he'll be war out he'll be he'll be war out he'll still talk and he'll also

have plans within 48 hours to go out and get bombed at a soccer game or something there that you know that's going to happen that will be the well it's patio thanks for uh yeah That's right. Thanks for being a part of the program. Thanks to Craig Button. Check out the cool button hockey podcast on wherever you get your podcasts.

And we'll be back tomorrow. Go Oilers. Is that how you end the show now? Okay. There you go. See you tomorrow, buddies.