Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Former Calgary Flames Defensemen Robyn Regehr (FULL INTERVIEW PART 1) | FN Barn Burner

Episode Date: July 11, 2023

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Hi, you buddies. Welcome to Barn Burner, special edition, summer vacation. It's here. I hope you're all having a great summer. This is going to be fun. We're still going to be doing our regular shows, us three donkeys sitting around doing what we do, talking as if we know what we're talking about. If the flames do something big, we'll be jumping in. If we're at the lake and we're on the boat, we might be jumping in. If we're at Stampede, we might be jumping in. That's the luxury about what we do. We can go from wherever, whenever, whenever. But, for For the purposes of the Barn Burner slot, your Monday to Friday type of a deal, we've scaled back the schedule a little bit. There's just not as much going on. It's also given us an opportunity to kind of change things up a little bit. Spend some time, some quality time,

with people we wouldn't ordinarily maybe get to, have them in studio, maybe go to their place and sit down with them on location. We'll see how this goes. I think it's gonna be great. We've got a few of these already done, and I think you're gonna like them a lot. We've got the first one as we're gonna roll this one out today.

Now it's a three-pour. harder. And I know what you're thinking, three, three parts. But Rhett Warner and I, we sat down with Robin Rageer, and we just kind of started bullshit and then started talking. And then one thing led to another night, gone through and kind of done the background on, you know who Robin Rakeer is, played for the flames, and then the trade to Buffalo and all, all that sort of thing. But he's a very interesting guy in terms of, you would think, here's a Saskatchewan guy, played in the Western Hockey League, drafted into the NHL, played in the NHL. That's your That's your run-of-the-mill Canadian hockey story, except not so much.

This is a guy who was not born in Canada, didn't live in Canada for a while to start his life. He was, you know, not quite old, but he was, you know, he's an older kid by the time he even moved to Canada and started skating and playing hockey. So it's a neat, it's a neat story. Robin Regier calls Calgary home. He and Rhett played together. There's kind of a neat relationship between those two on the ice. and off the ice, obviously. But rather than me blow all of it here in the intro, why don't we get to it? This is a, it's a great story. There's highs and lows. There's reaching the top of the mountain figuratively in his career. And then there's literally nearly losing it all on a Saskatchewan highway one late summer night. Let's get to it. Ret Warren and I sit down with Robin Reger.

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Actually, I think it was 89. There's one tricky one in there because the flames asked me to dress for one game. I think we were short players, but I was injured. And they asked me to dress when I was young. And so I went out there and did that. I didn't actually, I just sat on the bench. And it didn't, didn't actually hit the ice. And so, uh, I didn't get credit for, for that on, on certain people, but then I found out

after, I think it was for someone was supposed to get some bonus or I heard things like that. I'm like, so I, like I was young, clueless. So I was the kind of sacrificial lamb, I guess that was, uh, was put on the, on the bench just to, to sit there and take up a spot. I know in the old days, they used to count them because. Rob Ray had a whole bunch of games where he didn't play a shift. And then they stopped if you didn't hit the ice. They weren't going to count those games anymore.

I don't know when that switched over, but that used to be. Rob Ray's got the most games played without a shift, I think is what. Maybe they owe you a day's pay is or does that matter if you play. I think it used to be for the pension or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So you were close anyway. It's one or the other.

Like, it depends on how you look at. Actually, it was really funny because I think it was one of the, it was like 800th game or something like that. My, uh, Christina wanted to put a, put a celebration together and stuff and we were going to go to Tai Sayon. I think it was after. Yeah. But I'm like, well, it was the 799th game. Right. Not the 800th.

Like, so we're celebrating 799, I guess. We had a good, we had a good laugh about that. So life's good. Hey, you look great. Everything's good. Kids. You're building a house. selling a house, busy, everything's great.

Yeah, lots going on. Yeah, lots, there's lots happening right now in life with, yeah, the building of the house is, we're almost on two years now. And it's been challenging, I think is, uh, I don't know how much time we have, but it's, there's been substantial challenges, both with, uh, supply chain and some decisions that were made and certain people that we chose and trusted that didn't do a very good job and had to be fired and you know all that kind of stuff so I did I had a nice year and a half run with a sheister that didn't get anything accomplished and all of a sudden your money's gone and he's gone and they're gone and you're looking around

in the house lots of work you're living in a little conno. with three babies and you're like what that this is not what I had envisioned is it yeah yeah I think we're this is the first house that we're building and I believe it'll probably be the last house that we're we're building it's even Pinder was saying because they did the same thing it's at some point you just kind of hand everything over to the wife just just whatever you need whatever is gonna work just get through can get to the to the wedding scenario though right because we all think that with the weddings it's like whatever you want

babe this is you know this is your day I want you to be happy anything why don't you take an interest why can't you I need an I'm like oh I don't want to have an opinion on this yeah yeah and and I think I understood right from early early stages of the of the project is the top three or four things that I find important are completely different than what what Christina finds important. So if I was going to be involved that way, it would just be constant budding of the heads and that. So I really haven't been involved on the day to day of faucets that you're choosing and you know, you name it, paint colors and all that. Like it really

doesn't matter to me. The house is is nice. It's going to be smaller. Our boys will be downstairs, which is really nice. Both of them are almost teenagers. One of them is. One of them will be soon. So we need the separation. Like we, we want and need separation. And actually, I think they feel the same way too. Like they, they want to be downstairs and do their own thing now. So there'll be a few things with with house that'll be really, really nice moving forward. So the boys, one's a teen, the older one, less hockey inclined.

Mm-hmm. But loves the school sports. Yeah. Are you finding? because I've got a teen as well. Are you finding that an adventure? Because there's a lot of things going on at our house that raise some eyebrows and questioning.

Where you're told, it's kind of like when you have a kid, people try to tell you, and it's like, they can't tell you what it's like to have a kid. You have to have that kid and to understand what it means to have a kid. And now it's, I think it's the same thing with teenagers. People have always said, wait till they're a teenager, wait till this, wait. Oh, you know, you kind of control them at the age of.

of 10. Yeah. Now it's like, oh, just. Yeah, it's it's an adventure, uh, for sure. And, you know, things just revolve around their, their friends, like their friends are the most important thing to them in, in the world right now. And, um, he is playing, uh, he's playing school sports and, uh, played volleyball and really has started to really enjoy volleyball and played club volleyball. You know, hockey for him, uh, he enjoys it, but it's, it's recreational. And he, uh, he's been in, uh, the, RHC, uh, rec hockey Calgary league for the last, I think three years. It's been two games a week, no practices, no hitting. Really chill and he, he really likes it. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, you know, for them, they want S.O. Minor hockey this, this year here.

That's all they care about. Like S.O. Minor hockey is huge for those kids. It doesn't matter what age. And then the young one actually for the first time, they won SOM minor hockey as well. So like I think they consider both of their their seasons a success. But yeah, it's really interesting to watch how it changes. Like we as parents are not cool anymore. They don't want to hang out with us anymore. And those social circles are their friends and to them.

So doing really. funny funny things like you know club volleyball one one kid on the team shaved his legs and and that like and I'm like why and next thing you know why it comes down after and shower and it has shaved his legs I'm like what are you doing like you know how you don't know how it's you don't know how itchy that's going to be like it's so stupid I'm going to say because I I got two boys one's 18 and one's 15. And it's you're in that where they start to really stink. And it feels like they're getting dumber. Like they're going the other way with some of the decisions they make and the things that they do is like, are you what are? Have we totally failed as parents? Have we

totally just taken the hands off the wheel? Because you guys are idiots right now. Yeah. I think they're just trying to find their way really and they're they're not going to as soon as you say something, they won't listen to you. So, So how do you find a way to kind of get your point across that they do stink now, bad? They're active and they're sweating and B.O. and all that kind of stuff. But like, do us all a favor and head to the shower. But you can't tell them that because as soon as you tell them that, they won't do it. Yeah.

Yeah. And that. So that's what we've, we found is how do you work around that? And so, you know, trying to ask their friends, to maybe influence them or or yeah or something that way or you know Christina can talk well you know as as a as a as a woman or you know the girls they want to hang around boys that actually smell yeah half decent and and that but oh it's hilarious like every day is an adventure like our young one

now is into Cologne like and the first time he walked downstairs whole right like it was pungent like like I could smell them from across the room and it's like okay I get it you're into but less is more when it comes to to this stuff I like I could hardly we could hardly even sit in a in a vehicle with them so you know they're learning they're they're trying to learn all that navigate through that biggest concern for kids I mean we boom's got two boys I got three you got a couple like I'm guessing boys and girls are also different and in in as a parent what you'd be concerned with what they're getting into for you are there concerns out there that you're worried about is it the

phones is it the social media is there things that you're like geez how do you how do you steer yeah i i i wouldn't view it as as kind of steering them um you know they i think you have to be aware of of that you have to limit uh phone usage especially at night uh you have to limit that and they they need to understand why. But they have to, you have to be aware of what's going on, but they have to figure it out too. You hope that, you hope that their failures are, and mistakes are ones that that they can learn from, and they're not catastrophic, I think is, is probably the best way I would, I would say, because I, I made mistakes too and that. And, you know, you look back on it, though, you're like, who, we got lucky on that one or you know but i but you learn from you just you just want to

guide them but you don't want to like be there all the time for because they got to they have to figure it out too so you know you hope you have uh friends around them that that are better that are that are kind of decent decent too that they're not they're not just little troublemakers all all the time and they and they can slowly figure it out that way but uh but boys are like you know there's some certain things. I try to keep, we try to keep our, you have to keep them going. I've talked to my, my brother and sister about this. We've got boys everywhere in the family, 10 of them. And as soon as you keep them active, doing things with them, you have to discipline them less. Because, because, like, as, as bad as the, like, they're kind of like high energy dogs in a way that, yeah,

you have to get them outside. You have to get them running. You have to, you have to do things. You have to do activities with them and when you do that, they just seem to be a little bit, a little bit better, a little more receptive and not not kind of looking to cause as much trouble. Yeah. I find that it's it's pivoted because I would for a while you're like, I remember when I was that age, when I was that age and you put yourself in the kids spot. I'm now on the other side with my like, especially with the older guy. I'm like, so this is what when I looked at my dad when I was in grade 12 and I thought of him this way like I'm that guy now right it's all starting to kind of change where I take it myself out of the kids plus like so this is what my old man was thinking when I was running

around and being a clown in grade 12 or whatever we were doing oh yeah like it is actually really hilarious you know they rip used to rip the tape uh tape out of the tape deck right like this is awful music that you you know the kids are listening to now and now like the kids come in and they pick a radio station and sometimes it's good but sometimes it's like oh okay guys I can't Yeah, we can't. I can't deal with this, like, you know, that way. And yeah, you know, there's some pretty funny stuff out there. Like, you know, we used to drive back from the, from the Blades games. Like, we were in rostering there and we'd load up the van.

And it had the third row seat. And we just wanted to see some fights and a good game and that. And on the way home from Saskatoon to roster, we would sit back there and we would just fight. And, oh, wrestle and fight. And dad, you know, he's, he's. swatting blindly into the back, back seat, hoping to connect with somebody. And then, you know, when he can't do that because we're way back there, don't make me pull this van over.

And then we had to walk about a kilometer down the road to get that energy out. We were just all hyped up with the game. So it's kind of funny. You remember some of that and then now, like, just kind of what we're going through with all these boys. But yeah. Village Honda is a proud supporter of Barnburner. You can find them in the Northwest Auto Mall, or check them out online at village honda.com.

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curious if there's stuff that jumps out to you. Well, I think as a now as a parent, uh, I realized this probably when it was took me to about 30 years old was the commitment that my mom and dad made to not just myself, uh, but all of all of our kids. Like there's four kids in the in the family. And, you know, whether it was watching, uh, my older brother, Dienu's. volleyball games and hockey or getting me to to hockey and soccer that I played as a kid and ball richie as well with all the sports and and my sister like they were just they were fantastic really committed um and you know working bingoes when when needed to when started getting into triple a hockey and having to pay big money for it that we didn't have at the time and fundraising and

but that level of commitment and that was with everything like um highlights were, you know, two weeks of our summer vacation was at Baker's Cabins and Wask Sioux play in the junior lobster there for a week and go fishing and water skiing. Like just fantastic time. And so those are the things that I really, really enjoyed and and didn't fully understand how much mom and dad had put into that till after. So I guess kind of take that to heart and try to be committed to to our kids. kids and what what they want to do and try to get them outside or do activities. And, you know, they wanted to play badminton.

So they were playing badminton for a couple of years and doing that. And we talked about other sports and activities and just get them, get them doing things and do things as many activities and stuff with them as, as possible because soon probably won't be able to or he won't be able to keep up. Or, you know, the skiing, downhill skiing, like soon they'll be just gone. And so that would be probably the biggest thing that I, I kind of took from growing up in, in a family with multiple kids is that level of commitment that, that my parents, Ron and Edith made to all, not just me, but all of us. And that actually leads into, you know, at the in career, one of the most special things with being part of the Stanley Cup winning team was being able to share that. that with them. Like with with with them exactly. That was a way that, uh, you know, you can say thank

you and that, but to just, hey, you made that kind of commitment, uh, all of that time, finances, all that volunteer work and that, uh, this is a way to share this experience and have you, uh, part of it and, and, you know, say thank you that way. And to me personally, that we It's probably the most special thing about being part of that is, is that kind of interaction with, and not just with them, with the team or the group of people that kind of helped you along the way, whether it was minor hockey coaches, teachers, or certain parents or whatever it was, hey, all come around, be a part of it, and thank you for helping be part of the journey. Your parents were that, not just to the kids, that that's what your parents were like, right?

It was just giving, caring parents, just, I do want to talk about, about, because it's so Brazil, hey. I know, you know, I know you could ask them a million times. So you're Brazilian. Well, okay. So, but your parents, you know, you moved a little bit, the Indonesian and then you come to Canada and all of that. I guess just kind of your parents' journey that got you to Saskatchewan of all places.

Yeah. Well, they, they got married at a young age. which lots of people did back then, you know, were both very religious and still are, didn't have a lot of money and wanted to travel. And the way to do that was to be involved with service work, missionaries. So off they went to Brazil was the first stop for them and, you know, they're newlyweds doing what newlyweds do and my older brother showed up in Brazil and so did I, you know, kind of three three years, three and a half years after that. So, you know, for them, they, they, they've always enjoyed, I think, adventure.

They've enjoyed travel. My mom was an RN registered nurse and dad was involved with agriculture. So, you know, that fit really well into what MCC, Minnetite Central Committee, was trying to do, is they were trying to get people to be more self-sustaining out. sustaining out in the rural areas. So that's where my dad came in with the agriculture background. They were also trying to increase the level of awareness health care wise. Just basic things that we know and knew those people didn't. And so that's where my mom came in. And then they weaved in also the religious part of it with being missionaries. So it was a really cool experience

for them. It was really cool for us too. Like I don't remember any parts of Brazil because it was too young. But we came back and we were in roster and just living outside of roster and for just under a year. And then we went to Indonesia for about four and a half years. And I do remember a good portion of that. And that's where Richie was born in Bandung, Indonesia. So there was two of us born in Brazil. Richie was born in Indonesia and actually my sister, Marley, is the only one born in Canada, born in Rosser. And at a certain point, she was kind of rattled about that. You know, you guys are born in all these fun, exotic places. And I'm born in, but we're like, it doesn't matter. Like, it really doesn't matter. And we're all, we're all Canadians, even though

I've, there's been some funny stories, you know, people coming up to me in LA and starting to speak Portuguese to me. And I was like, you know, I was nine months old when left Brazil. Like, I don't know any Portuguese. I know a little bit of Indonesian. but uh yeah the the portuguese you know right right over my head ever thought about going back just as a yeah like so there were some uh opportunities actually back in 2004 after that run we were on here in calgary um some people reached out uh from it was like brazilian ice hockey federation or something very official sounding that way you know do you want to come back and do some coaching or this or that and i was like well i can't i don't really want to right now we're

heading into the off season want to get ready to relax and get ready for the next season um and then actually christina i talked about it when uh when we're in l a because it's a little bit closer once you're in l a but then you know by then we had kids and stuff like that so it gets it to be a little bit more challenging to to travel so there's been a few times or have thought about it but never never have um i'm not sure i'm not sure if will or not or not. Like, you know, we talked about kind of all the things that we have going on in life right now and it gets, it kind of comes at, like, it's coming at us pretty quick right now with, with everything. And I think, um, once our kids get a little bit older, they start driving and

things like that. That's talking to older, yeah, uh, friends of ours that are older. Uh, they said once, once that happens, it's a pretty big step change in the family and, and, and kind of your need to, to be around and stuff like that. So that, that might free up some, some time. We were talking. before we started recording about your kids buffalo calgary what do they miss what did they like for you from what age three to seven you're in indonesia and then you come to canada which i'm guessing is quite a culture shock do you remember what you missed about indonesia what you were thankful for in canada just that that separation yeah well we we were just outside running around like as as young kids

in indonesia um we had exotic pets um we had a monkey named barney of little jungle cat, Mickey, you know, things like that. Like people would come come out of the jungle like every week. It seemed like with all kinds of exotic animals and you know, here you want to pet this or snake or this like you're just, it was just very, very different. There's some weird things come out of the bush in Saskatchewan. Yeah, that's true. Northern yeah, Northern Saskatchewan.

But it's just a very different, different environment, different culture. of course um it's a it's a huge change like as a kid you like i grew up there first sleeping under mosquito net taking malaria pills like and that was north like i thought that normal uh and then you get to Saskatchewan and oh they're like we don't have to do that um or um or just uh kind of the the winters like you know you're not used to that you don't know any better being in indonesia and then you get here like oh okay well see you're see you're not used to that you don't know any better being in indonesia and then you get here like oh okay well see you're There's yeah and and very drastic changes to them and and it's probably one of the things that actually helped me get involved with hockey so much is like well what am I gonna do now like it's running around outside in roster and in

Yeah yeah like you know I'm not gonna curl like I'm not gonna take up curling So like what are my friends doing well they're they're playing hockey like that's what kids do and in small towns and in the winter so Yeah it was it was a big big change but one that I actually really enjoyed like a didn't fully realize it till long you're kind of there's the theme there right like you kind of grow up and get a little bit older and you're like man I had a really cool childhood so you come back from Indonesia you're seven or yeah yeah six and a half seven yeah start playing hockey yeah how old were you when you started playing yeah six six and a half seven

yeah playing roster to yeah right play on yeah roster in red wings yeah yeah Mitch of AAA. Prince Albert. PA. Yeah. Driving back and forth to PA. Yeah. So just a quick, started playing in roster, loved it. Got a chance to play up with a few teams,

but you know, there was no AA AAA AAA programs in small town, Saskatchewan. You then had to go elsewhere. So again, back to the commitment piece. You know, mom and dad came to not just me, but other members of her family too, kids and you know if you really want to do that it we will support you and luckily there was a few other kids from around roster and so they could they

could actually take turns with carpooling and stuff so played in Warman for a couple years they played in the center for league had double a so played there and then played in Prince Albert to midget to play which the Minto's yeah the Minto's but I played as an underage I played it as a second year Bantam at that time Were you a big kid then? Yeah, I was full grown in grade nine. I haven't got any taller since then.

But lucky again that, you know, I was 15 years old and wanted to play triple a midget. And there was two teams in Saskatch. Contacts in the Blazers that wanted me. And there was Prince Albert. The two teams in Saskatoon, you had to move there and you had to be billeted. And at 15, I just wasn't ready to leave home yet. and Prince Albert let me still live at home. And the best part of it was Jay Banach,

16-year-old from Duck Lake. He also made the Prince Albert team, and he had this beautiful firebird. The Trans Am Firebird with the big Phoenix on the hood, the T-tops, 16 years old, just got his license, and we are ripping up and down the highway all winter long. Oh, yeah. Not like he probably parents would get arrested for letting kids do that probably now, right?

And this is like, all right. See you later. And we made it. He did not put that thing in the ditch once. And there was some nasty weather. But but yeah, you just you look back on that kind of, oh, so, so much fun. Like what we had and then off to off to camp loops. Call Peter Klein at McLeod Law at 403-254 3864 or go on online at macloud dash law.com. You can also find them on social media at McLeod Law LLP. You know Peter Klein at McLeod Law, personal injury guy, but also he's the go-to guy in the city for your disability insurance claims. If you're long-term disability insurance companies refusing to pay insurance benefits to you, contact Peter. He's going to help you out. He'll get you the disability

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and experience the history and heritage of the St. Eugene Golf Resort and Casino. Advice because I've got a 14-year-old, you've got that age kind of, in the hockey world, and maybe it's even more in the States than it is here, but there's a lot of people that are considering setting their kids to an academy-type school, this or that, advice where they have to be billeted. Because I've seen the best of you would be the same way in junior hockey. you see the best and the worst of it. If you get a good billet, their family.

Yeah. They're their mom and dad that you that's a relationship that lasts a lifetime almost. Mm-hmm. You get a bad billet. You're effing lost. Yeah. And shit goes sideways fast and it's maybe not the end of the world, but there's a lot of guys that had bad billets that and it affects their whole

life pattern and career. Yeah. Yeah. So I can talk about me personally first of all and then maybe give an opinion. after that. But personally, I wasn't ready to leave home at 15 and and made the correct choice for, and it was a, it was a family choice, but also one that, you know, mom and dad were taking input from, from me too. Fast forward the next year, 16 year old year had been drafted to Kamloops and stuff. So go out there. 16 year old year was the most difficult year I've

ever had in, in hockey, bar none. Like it, I was lonely. you're out in a in a new city great great billets like really lucky darrell luckily you have yes very lucky darrell and penny adams were awesome and uh and that so but new city new family really um new team new school like knew everything and uh i didn't have a vehicle so you're relying on on people to to to kind of pick you up and get you around it was the most difficult year I have ever had. Had a calling card, had a calling card back in the day from mom and dad and, you know, phoning home all the time talking to them, talking to brother, sister, friends, like just missing, missing them.

It was a, it was a tough, tough, tough year. So for me personally, I'm really glad I didn't move away at 15. And it was a challenge at 16. And like you say, you know, I got lucky with having a few fortunate people in my life that made it a little bit easier. And then 17, I had a vehicle and kind of a little bit of maturity and things like that too. But I would have, in my opinion, I'd have a very hard time letting one of our boys move away and go out on their own before 16 years old. I just feel like the boys in general have they mature a little bit slower than than girls do. And it'd be a tough, tough decision to make.

I'm not saying, you know, some of them aren't ready for it. Maybe there are. But it, but it would be, to me, that risk reward, the risk is a lot higher at that point than the reward. They can potentially stay at home and play with a good team, whether it's hockey, volleyball, all, you name it. They would still play for a good team anywhere around here in our environment. And I'm of the opinion, if they're a good enough player and person, they will find their way, regardless of if you pay extra money for them to go to Wilcox, Saskatchewan and live in the middle of nowhere for a season of hockey and school.

I spent a week in Wilcox one summer. And that my decision was made is. far as Wilcox. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes I think the the marketing of an academy or the marketing of something does not always the execution of it and the results of it are not always there. There's some programs that are fantastic.

There are. And you know, if the parent and kid, probably the biggest thing is if the kid really wants to if that child really wants to go. That's a, that's a, like, and if they make that commitment, I think they feel by going, and they make that commitment, I think as parents, you have to support that within reason. But if it's the, if it's the parent needs to know if the kid is actually, or if you're, just paying for them to be there isn't the answer. It is not.

Exactly. You better damn well know what your kid is made of. And is this something that he's desperate to go do and to prove? 100% it shouldn't be the the parent leading the charge saying well I can get you into this school and the kids like okay I guess so like we want to do that well okay we always find it in our house to double check on things save they want something this is bright and shiny and you you really want that eh yeah offer them something else and if they want that the same Clearly, it's not a single focus thing.

It's just the shiny object, right? Like it's not a true desire for them. It's okay, well, you want this video game? Yeah, this is the only thing. What about this new phone? Oh, yeah. Wait, that's pretty good too. The phone is good.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's back to what we were talking about before too, like with with phones and social media. It's it's right there. right there in front of you all the time. So they're seeing it all the time. So yeah, it's a huge challenge.

I think that's the biggest thing for us is, and I might be a grumpy old bastard, but those phones and screens are scary stuff to us. Because you feel like you might know what they're doing on there, but then you always hear the horror story of things that. Yeah. Well, I just liken it to show and tell 24-7. Like it used to be once a week in class,

Monday morning, right? Everyone had their few minutes to get up in front of the class and you know, this is what we did in the weekend or or this is what's going on or we got a new pet or whatever. And it was just a very short little focus thing and then away you went and did you work. But now it's 24-7 show and tell. And that- Everyone tried to show off and tell how great- Yeah. So Camloops, you were 95. I came in right after, I forget what I was drafted, but when I, my first year in Camloops was 96. After that run, just a legendary run, they had three Memorial Cups in four years. I think it was.

Yeah, again, that whole, I think Niedermeier had been through there, Daryl Sador. Like, they just had a really, really good, which in junior was pretty amazing because there's so much turnover. You lose players after two to three years. But yeah, we came in. The team was struggling. And I came in. We had four, four 16-year-olds. And I think, yeah, we had the first losing season in, I don't know if anyone could remember.

It was tough. And Don Hay was gone then, right? Yeah, Don Hay was gone. Ed Dempsey was the coach there my first year. And then they let him go. And then Mark Habshed actually came in. So I really enjoyed Mark. He was one of my best coaches, I think, and leading up to pro because really Mark had played NHL.

And he wasn't there to step on anyone's on anyone's back, shoulders, anything of that, to move on. He was there actually to develop us as players. I remember specifically talking to him. And he's like, what, okay, Robin, what do you think you need to do to play pro hockey? And let's work on that. And so having that conversation, and if I was off base, he'd be like, well, this is the things that you need to work on. And I remember we did this drill where they had the forwards on the hash marks in, in one zone. And they got to come around the net and skate full tilt around the net.

and the defenseman was over at the other face off dot. So they could come around full speed. And as they came around that last post to come up the ice, we could then start skating backwards. So it was completely unfair. Like they were, they were, they were full speed. And you're at a stop. And man, was I mad?

Like, because it got beat like all the time. Oh, I was so mad. And, uh, and that, oh. And I. I've started complaining to Habshide, right? Oh, this is, this is terrible. This is unfair. Like, yeah.

And he looked at me, he's like, maybe you're just not enough, a good enough backwards skater. And, oh, like, that got under, like, my skin so bad that that's, I just worked on that. And so. I thought you were going to tell me you just started going at him. No, no. No. No.

And, but he just knew how to press, press our buttons and my buttons, I guess. And yeah, so I started working on it hard. And yeah, next thing you know, they're not, they're not beating you anymore. And then next thing, you know, we're moving up and they're not beating us anymore. Like, it was just a really good way to challenge us as players. You go from not being able to achieve it at all to all of a sudden going, I got this. Yeah. Where nowadays, I think you do that.

And then there'd be like five HR reports filed. And parents would be parents would be all. all over the coach or you can't do that. We had a practice late in the year in Buffalo this year and I was running it and I was deliberately because we didn't really have much left. So we're gonna do an old school practice. So all the old dumb drills that we used to do,

the kids were livid. They're like, this is the worst. I'm not, this is so stupid, I'm not doing it. It's dumb. Well, and it's true because a lot of the drills were idiot. Well, I remember like, I remember when we got Mike Keenan here as a coach the the worst NHL coach I've ever ever seen or been a part of the guys all knew like that had him in Florida they're like these are the drills we're going to do

and these are the days we're going to do them and this is what's going on everything was like he he had just the same stuff all the time and really no clue what what was what was going on like and here he was in the in the in the h o coaching the n-h-oh I remember watching those practices. Like, what are we watching here? Yeah. You wouldn't do that with you. You wouldn't do with your kids' team.

No. I remember the Jim Vandemere, he had the stick sliding along the ice in a fan. Standing behind. He had to like jump, like he was jumping rope hopping over the stick. It is as though he was being punked. Like, is somebody recording this for a reality TV show? Yeah. No, that's Iron Mike, one of the most respected NHL coaches ever.

Now, you guys didn't overlap Western League. then right you would have no i was gone yeah i was his idol probably probably yeah yeah we we'd go into saskatoon and watch uh who'd you guys have there frank bannum yeah norm miracle uh in net uh you had belac i think uh was there um chris mcallister um calister um who's that really annoying but skilled forward to uh because bannum d l yes banon was the shooter and mark Hey, you knew, you knew it right. And Wilm was in between them. Sticking people all the time and just like, oh, it was so funny to.

But yeah, I don't know if Alan, Chad Allen, Chad Allen was there. You know, really, a really good solid Blades team. We had good teams except we had to go play in F and Camloops. Yeah, that's pumped by them. So I grew up kind of cheering, cheering for them. And then yeah, off to Camloops. Outdoor dental is dentistry with no needles, no drills, and no stress. Their Salea laser treatment is an excellent solution for people who experience dental phobia.

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because it just happened, and you were kind of saying, kids, if you don't get drafted. Oh, it's so funny for the kids. I want to jump in on there because kids or families, listen to this. We talk about kids sports, and the WHL draft just happened recently.

And my year was the first year of that draft. So I always go back and you can go through the list and how few of those guys actually went on, well, even in the W-HL, let alone past that, right? Because we all, all these families out there, you're hanging your hat on this draft and oh my, you're a third round or not drafted or that it doesn't matter. Yeah. So my opinion on it is, is I'll just talk a little more in-depth on that. A generational type talent, like, can't miss, it's different, right?

Right? For them, you know, there's people watching them flow and they're just that, that good. they'll work their way up and away they go. But my opinion for most of us is that actually there needs to be some adversity. Yes. Because you actually have to figure out what's going on. And we just talked about that in that previous drill, right? Like there's adversity there. Like I'm getting beat all the time in that other defensemen are as well.

How do we figure this out? So to not just give it to you. give it to you on a silver platter and and here you go. But for kids to have a little bit of adversity, I don't think is a bad thing. And so it forces them to figure it out. How can I do this better? What do I need to work on?

And those challenges, you then figure out who can do that, which they're going to need to do as they continue on. And if they want to play higher level of hockey, they're going to have to figure out what are their strength. strengths, what are their weaknesses? What are these other players trying to do to me to be successful? And what do I need to do to figure out how to stop that or how, like, and all that is very, very important. And like I saw a player like Chad Hints, for example, who he grew up in Laird,

uh, was a every, all, any parent that saw him as, as a kid would like, that guy's going to make the NHL. Yeah. Yeah. And he, he lit it out. all through minor hockey had a decent triple image it career played in moose jaw for the warriors and went over to europe and played like division two or three or something like that for a bit and done like no and there were so many parents back to what you said that would say that guy is is going for sure so you have to be very careful with it and if the kid takes hold of it if the kid figures out with some adversity if if the kid is is uh disciplined work ethic you know all that kind of stuff they are going to have a way better shot at it and in general than then then others who are just like well my my dad says

first thing they've eliminated society in life has eliminated so much of the obstacles that kids used to have to overcome we've the adversity aspect for for boys out there is a fraction of what it used to be and as a stupid story i brought this up a few weeks ago i was with razor in a rink in buffalo and a bunch of boys walk by and because it's razor i was like you think any of those kids have ever been in a in a tussle in a schoolyard like you know what i mean nothing not not that you need to be getting in fights and stuff but there's no damn way they have and just so the adversity any of the challenges a lot of that stuff's been wiped off the table so for kids to have that little boys to have to overcome that. I think the studies just show over and over how important

it is for them to have to do that. Secondly, small town Saskers, small town guys, I think that we believe, have this belief anyway, but the importance for a child to want to do it and just prove to you that he truly wants to dropping him off at a trainer is not him wanting to do it. Him biking down the hill and doing 10 hill sprints on his own. That's him wanting to do it. Him going outside and shooting 100 pucks without you telling him to, that's him wanting to do it. Providing them, you support them and you take care of them,

but there's a difference between giving them something and them actually wanting it. My kids would go work out with a trainer If I drop them off at the trainer and say, this is what you're supposed to do. Go and do it on their own is when you know they want it. And if they want...

Because sometimes, even as a parental, you have to give them that push that there needs to be some motivation. Because I know with one of my... If you just let him, he'll just... But if you... Listen, you have to go. And then once he gets his motor run and he'll go. So it's hard.

I'm not saying that you throw them out there and never give them guidance. I'm saying that you can't dictate all the things that they're doing here you've been to a trainer now he's given you a program are you doing it yeah you can and you can question them right i'm not saying it's it's the same if you're if part of their role in your household is to put the dishes away and they don't do it well you have to hey put the dishes away but they have to want it because i think what's happened is there's a bunch of guys that have actually could have made it or even if they have made it you can see it now the guys

it really want it they perform when shit hits the fan or when it's needed right yeah and we've taken so much of that away from kids they've never learned how to do it yeah i i and it's very it's actually very fulfilling as a parent uh when that happens like for example uh you know we talked about uh wyatt the oldest playing club volleyball for the first time uh this this season and uh you know he's playing and he's tall, kind of lanky, but, you know, doesn't have a great vertical. And there's some other kids a little more athletic and more in tune with their body. And then they've got great verticals. And so he's like, well, I want to work on my vertical.

I was like, okay, well, let's look at some, some of the, some of the stuff you can do. And let's go do it. And so we were in the, in the gym and doing that. And then a couple times, he's like, dad, let's go work out. I want to go, I want to go work on my vertical. And like as a parent like I loved yeah to to hear that like yeah okay I'll go with you 100% right now and I'll do it. It's a really a proud like it's a proud feeling as a as a as a parent when when your child comes to you. Yeah and yeah I think it's fantastic. So when you both look back now what kind of a kid were you? I believe in the people I've talked to you were very driven. You were a self-moving. You were a self-moving. motivated you were an intense guy. Is that fair even as a kid? Yeah. So for me personally, I loved sports.

Our family, the rear family is competitive, like really competitive. And I didn't realize that till after. And other people have pointed it out because you're just always in it. But we are we were always doing competitive things, whether it was a beach volleyball game or golf or or or cards like my grandma and grandpa were gear never let us win they're like these kids need to earn it like that way and you know they're like oh that's as a kid you're like well that's mean but then after I was like man that was that was fantastic like I'm glad they like that but uh so I tried to be very committed and so I'd go out for runs like um and work out as a as a kid I'd run out in the Out on the grid roads and things like that there. Yeah, I just, I worked.

Like for me, I was never, I would say there was only a couple teams where I was actually the best player. I was usually in the, call it the top five, maybe for most teams, but very rarely that number one player. But it's just, it's work, commitment, dedication. You just keep at it. And some of those, some of those kids, those talented kids or they just didn't have the dedication it took or they made some poor decisions or, you know, some of them their family couldn't afford to continue to put them in some very expensive sports. Like hockey got very expensive. Like there was all kinds of different factors there. But for me, I just kept working.

And that was something that I could control and kind of took. took a hold of so that's kind of the the person that i i felt i was and i i tried to continue to do that kind of throughout the career work like work at it for you were you kind of that kid or did you need that push we didn't it was a different era yeah right like i went to an n-h-l i'd made the n hl had played and i went to training camp without skating Now, that's completely idiotic. But I mean, even when I got drafted, the Panthers called, do you want to come down a train in Florida?

No. Like, what? You don't say no to that stuff, right? Like, when I did, but it was. I like Saskatoon in the summer. It was out in pure. Stupid. I don't know what's naive.

Naive. Naive. No, I'm good. Thanks. I'll be all right. No. But I think that today's world is. it's so different than I say it to lots of parents.

I said the nice thing now for our kids are getting to an age where the discipline when I was growing up and now for kids getting to my kids age is that the coaches become the disciplinarians in a way, right? Like a lot of the times the coach lays out the ground rules for, no, curfews this, no phones, this, that. They're the bad cop. Yeah. So I was, you just kind of.

what here's the rules and here's the stuff but I think I was probably to be realistic about it I was better disciplined and did more than everyone else but I wasn't over the top either what I would say this to to just a little more detail of what we just talked about both you and I I also thought I was I was working hard until I went to my first Blazers camp, WHL camp. And we had Darrell Sador and some of these any bona fide NHL players there. And then the veterans and stuff.

And I was like, oh, man. Like, I thought I was working hard, but they were working harder. And they were in better shape. So, like, that was a huge change and a huge realization of that. And that happened to me, too, when I, went to my first NHL camp. Like there was another massive change in the amount of dedication, the how hard they worked and how much they did off the ice and on the ice. Like it I, I thought in my mind the perception was okay, I'm going to be the hardest working. And

then you show up and you're like, oh, shit, I'm not. And but realizing that and then saying like I can be better, I can do more, especially if I want to get to that position. I remember that that happened to me a couple times. And that step from midgety, AAA to WHL was a huge one. And the step from the WHL to the NHL was massive. We used to do a six-mile run,

which is idiotic when you talk about hockey. But that was part of the training program. Well, in Saskatchewan, she's fairly flat, right? So I think I'm doing okay with the six-mile run. Yeah, I'm doing it in the allotted time. So we go to training camp and we're doing it and we start running. And the hill, I'm like, I can remember like almost being in tears because I knew damn well. I wasn't even close to where I needed to be.

Right? So there's little things you learn. Hey, guys, it's Pinder. Let's check in with our Betway, bet of the day. Yeah, you know, most of us still watch the show, fans of, you know, the only baseball team in Canada, the Toronto Blue Jays. And I was looking, let's bet on the Jays getting in. No value. But if they aren't going to get in, who would be falling out? The New York Yankees to miss the playoffs plus 200. Judge L dinged up. Does he come back soon? I don't know. Some value there plus

200 for the Yankees to miss. Houston's in the mix. Seattle's in the mix. The Angels, if they get healthy, they're in the mix. Baltimore and the race are already better in the ALE East. New York going to miss. Let's make some money. it for part one of our sit down with Robin Rageer. I mentioned off the top the accomplishments and what he was able to do in his career. I know we talked kind of a lot about parenting and stuff in there. But in part two, which is coming up, it's the, you may have, you may have heard. If you, if you are of a certain age, Robin Rageer was in a bad car accident when he was a kid, when he was young. And maybe you don't know this. So if you don't,

this is going to be, it's going to be eye-opening for you. It's a very thoughtful, kind of an emotional part two is coming up in our sit-down. It's, it's that perspective. You, you, you take things for granted a little bit, and then to hear and see Robin kind of retell the, the car wreck in detail is, it's emotional stuff. I think you're going to like it. That'll join us, make sure you do join us for part two. That's coming up tomorrow on Barnburner. YouTube, on your, Google Apple or Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. Appreciate you. Appreciate you all of our sponsors

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