Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Former Calgary Flames Forward Curtis Glencross (FULL INTERVIEW PART 2) | FN Barn Burner

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

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Hey, buddies. It is summer and part two of Curtis Glenn Cross is what we've got on tap for you today. Hope you've been enjoying these. We've had a ton of fun recording them and I certainly think it's a nice little peek behind the curtain. You know, we as people in the city watching the sport that love hockey, you see these names, you feel like you know these guys and you've heard a bit of their story. But the longer form stuff really allows you to dive in and get to know the individual, the things happening in their life at the time while we were watching them on TV. and I sort of find the more time the passes between a guy ending his career and the chats you have, the better they'll get a little more context for the human, the family life and what was going on in the city around them. Okay, so it's part two of Curtis Glencross again live from the Tower Studios here in Marta Loop. Tower, Chrysler, Dodge, Ram and Jeep Southern Alberta number one, Dodge Ram, Chrysler, dealer?

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you went Kenan, Brent Sutter, Bob Hartley. Yes. There's not a lot of lovey-dovey arm over the shoulder stuff necessarily. Like those are three harder coaches if you had to put them in a box. Is that fair to say? Or would that be miscasting any of them? You know what? I was,

I think it was hard. Like, um, everyone, everyone thinks Brent was a real hard coach. Like I, I didn't find Brent as a real hard coach. I thought like,

you know, I think most Sutterers are in that same, in that same scope, right? Like they're, if you work hard for them, you play hard for them, you know,

they want to succeed. They're a hockey family. They don't want to see anyone not succeed. Right. And, uh, you know, like I said,

Brent's my favorite coach. I, you know, you know, I got along fine with Mike Keenan too. Mike was finest me. It's, you know, everyone knew, knew Mike and how he was kind of thing. But he was, he was the same thing. He was, you know, he was a demanding coach and more, more on the psychology side, if you want to say, right?

Like, and, and that, like, like, try to push guys buttons different ways. Yeah. You know, I didn't get along with, I didn't get along with Bob Hartley. And, and that's, you know, kind of what made my, my time in Calgary come to an end is, you know, I wanted to, I was a team guy and I want to stick up for my, my teammates. And, and, you know, it's just something where, you know, it's just something where, you know, came down to the you know i think it came down to the reason like i think uh bob pretty much just said to treat it you know i don't i don't see him i don't see him in my future going forward kind of thing with

the team and and you know i had a no move clause at the time and i want to stay in calgary and you know the late ken king this i got you know i love ken king and you know love the you know the you know how he rent you know his whole persona and and and you know um just love the honesty of him and i you know it came to the point where you know obviously ken um you know passed and but it was it was something where I signed my second contract here in Calgary. I went for a horseback ride with King King. I dealt my contract on. He's like,

I see you as an Alberta boy guy in town that, you know, I want you to stick out and finish your career here. And so I, you know, I took a, you know, I took a hometown discount,

if you want to say at the time. I had another offer on the table at more money and in the longer term. And I chose to stay in Calgary because I loved the city of Calgary. And I loved playing. Love the Calgary Flames. loved the organization and, you know, I wanted to be playing at home at home in front of friends and family every night. Yeah.

And it's funny because, you know, Bob, the further his time in coaching passes, like the bigger that gap, the more stories were here. He was really tough on guys. And I feel like, you know, it's not Bob's job to be popular. And it's not Bob's job to be well liked by the players. It's his job to get the team to perform at a high level. And he kind of did with that 14-15 team in a sense where I think, they traded you at the deadline, but they also went on to make the plus.

You had young Johnny Monaghan. You know, that was kind of that first iteration of those young guys getting in. But man, like he was real hard on guys. And it just felt like a lot of guys just said, this isn't for me. I don't respect the way this guy's going about his business.

I don't know if he was this hard on guys, but he's, I think the, there's the whole respect factor. Like there's, you know, say one thing to the media, say one thing to different players and then say the opposite thing to you.

And it just, you know, it just wasn't a, you know, it wasn't a real, honest relationship. Yeah. I said you want, in a coach and a boss, you want some as honest with you and straight

up with you and a good person. And I just, you know, I didn't have that relationship with Bob and, and, you know, ended up, you know, getting me out of Calgary, which is unfortunate because obviously he was gone the next year anyway. Yeah. And, uh, you know, I, I love my time in Calgary and wanted to be Calgary for him. Yeah. So you would have seen the transition then from you arrive and it's still like, againla teams

that everyone thinks have a chance to win. Mika, Jerome. You're here. You watch Beaumester, Eginla, Kipper, all. evaporate over the course of I think it was like six months if I'm correct and then it's like the team's not as good and this young core comes up with Johnny and Sean Monahan a sixth overall pick and some other pieces I mean you you really saw the full life cycle of it from like very competitive not so good and it was coming back up at the time you left that that would have

been interesting over those seven years you got to see every sort of spot in the standing so to speak yeah I saw it all like I said it's it's disappointing because we you know you know we did have them good teams early and and you see the guys the young guys when they came in. Like you said, Monty, I loved Monty who sat beside me in the dressing room for three years, right, right beside me. And, you know, love the kid, great kid. Johnny comes in my last year, you know, played a little bit with Johnny kind of thing. But, you know, Sam Bennett was also here for a little bit too at the time.

And, you know, see these young guys, these young guys come in. And, you know, that's one thing so cool about the game. The game has changed so much. And these young guys, they have so much energy and they have so much, you know, the skill and the speed that they do the, the way, the speed that they play the game. it's remarkable. And it's, you know, you look back at, you know, when we were started out playing and, you know, it's pretty much X and O's and like, you didn't try toe drag at the blue line.

You know what I mean? You're sitting in your ass on the bench if you turn it over that and that kind of thing. But the creativity of these players now and the game, it's, you know, I like the energy and the, the way the skill and the way the game's going, the speed of the game. Do I miss the more of the physical aspect? Absolutely. I think that's a big part of the game. Yeah.

And it's something where. you know, it seems like anytime you make a big body check now, it's all of a sudden it's suspension or something, right? And it's, you know, at the same time, guys could keep their head up. Yeah. Right. That is the one thing, right, we'll say all the time here. We come in and we look at like, oh, here's Ryan Reeves catching so and so in the

trawages. Why is your head not up? Like, Reeves is on the ice. Get rid of the biscuit. Do not do this. Like, it's not just that, you know, these hits are like, well, it's malicious and violent. It's the guys don't expect them.

And they're vulnerable as hell because they're not expecting to be hit. That's it. Like, they're, when the game, like, it's changed so much. Like, you know, I was, I was actually in Chicago this year for a game and, um, one of the big defensemen, uh, on the blockhawks, uh, six eight guy. He made a nice open ice hit, like, against Vegas. I was there. Okay. And, uh, he laid him out and I think it's Turnerty. His story of the big defense. Jared's not. Yeah. He made an unbelievable hit. Like, it's clean open ice hit, right? And all of a sudden it's, you know, we got to fight them. Yeah. And it's, but you don't, and

you know, I, I, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, too that love that side of the game as well. Of course. I understand. Like there's, you know, the skill side is one thing, but to have the energy

and have that compete level and like body check, like you get the playoffs and, you know, playoffs you see a little more hitting, right, more physicality. But during the regular season,

it's like you said, it's almost like a shini game because you're not, there's, and if someone does get hit, it's a bad hit or a suspension or that kind of thing. And guys are used to keep their head down,

right? You know, there's a couple big hits in playoffs even, right? That, all right, even veteran guys have got hit. Right?

And it's like, but the games changed from them. Back then, they're keeping their head up now. It's like, oh, well, I'm probably going to get away with looking, you know, take an extra second, looking down, whatever, right? So, yeah, games change. The third annual Honda and Acura show and shine is coming to Village Honda. Save the date August 26th, a Saturday as the finest hondas and Acuras in the city will be on display.

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Check out their social streams on Twitter. at the hearing loss or on Instagram at the hearing loss clinic you just turned 40 um it does feel like a long time ago that you went to Washington at the deadline um you went to a team that uh that had alex ovechkin it was before they climbed the mountain they were a team that sort of had this they'd been painted with this brush they you can't win with those guys and i always hate it when you hear that in hockey because it's so hard there's only one winner every year and ovechkin's a goddamn star. But what was he like in 1415 when you show up at the deadline? Because he comes in as a brash young kid that's probably out having fun. And at this point of his career, you know, he's the

savvy vet. It's probably, you know, he's got family. Like where was he in the life cycle at that? But when you arrive in Washington, what's OV and that Caps team like? So the Caps team is deep. Like when I got traded there, they're top team in the East kind of thing. And, you know, looking to, you know, probably one of the top contenders to win the cup that year. And, you know, it's going, you know what, you know, I got there. I absolutely loved it. You know, first, first a while there, I was on a land with Brower and Beagle. And, you know, the first five games are awesome.

Like we were producing, we were playing a ton of minutes, that kind of thing. The fifth game or six game, Beagle got hurt and blew his shoulder out. And then, you know, it's tough when you're going into a top place team like that. And an injury comes, and then they kind of go back to the well. And so I kind of just got slid under the rug and they went back. And, you know, our line was so good. and it could have been a key, key line, you know, in that run.

But they kind of went back to the wall and I ended up going down and playing fourth line there and just playing, you know, a role player. And, you know, it was a good experience for me. I was hoping, obviously, after that, I was hoping to get another contract after that year. OV was a, OV was great. You know, the guys in that room,

they were such a great, Nick Baxter. Them guys, just, it was a great room. Fun guys, John Carlson. You know, that whole room is great guys to, you know, great guys to be around. It was fun going to the rink. every day. We actually, we moved there and we were expecting, or we're expecting Straten, our middle son. Yeah. So we moved there and three weeks later, we had him. And so he's our

American. So he's, he's Washington born. How about that? Yeah. So he's born in Arlington, Virginia there. And but we actually lived, when I got there, I was living in the hotel and, and ended up that, Ovi had an extra house that he had there that his parents usually spent a lot of time there. So he had next another house where his parents live and they weren't coming back for the rest of the season. So we ended up renting his house and it was perfect. It was like a block and a half from the hospital. So my wife was in labor. We walked down to the hospital.

And yeah, it was a good setup for me. You know, we had Carl Olsner and Niskin and they had one vehicle there. So them guys were my my Uber service. They picked me up to go to the games and that kind of stuff. So it was a great group of guys. And I had a ton of fun there. And, you know, unfortunately, that was, was the end of. I wasn't ready for it to be done, but that was kind of the end of my career there

because the next year when I came up as a free agent, the cap didn't go up that year. And there was guys were locked in at cap space and there's a lot of guys that kind of got pushed out then. I was stunned. And I know you weren't ready for it to be done. Neither were Flames fans. Everyone was shocked and were like, look, I understand that there might not be a deal on table right now. And that, that seems weird, but it is what it is. Is there a regret that you didn't wait longer? Or was the writing on the wall? Like you went to Colorado on a PTO, if I'm correct. Yeah, well, I went to, I went to Toronto first. My age at the time said, go to Toronto.

I'm talking to Babcock and the staff there, and they think it's a great opportunity to go. They had a young guys, some Nylander, Marner, all them guys, Zach Hyman, they were all rookies kind of thing coming in. And, you know, younger guys. And they were looking for another, you know, Dion was there. They were looking for another veteran guy. Cadre was there. And I went through camp and thought camp was going great. and Babb just called me in the one day.

It was kind of middle of way through camp. He's like, he goes, my hands are tied here. He goes, I can't find the money to sign you for a deal. He goes, we'd have to make a trade and get her a few young guys. And that kind of thing, even just to sign you. So I'm going to let you go now. So you get another opportunity and get to another camp, which I love the honesty out of Babs, right? And so ended up going to, ended up going to Colorado or flew back into Calgary that next day.

And I was hanging out here, kind of discussing what the next. plan was. My agent said, stay patient, someone's going to call. And then I got to call that afternoon from Colorado. And they were playing Calgary here the next night. That's right. Yeah. Wow. It was weird going to the dome. Other hallway. Parking in the back lot and walking down past the home room to the visitor's room and come on and playing against Calgary that night. So ended up going back there. And it was good because, you know, obviously me, Iggy and Tangs were both in both in Colorado at the time. Oh, geez. And I thought it was going to be a great fit. went and played exhibition games there.

And we were at the point, Patrick Wall was the coach. We're at the point where, you know, Iggy and Tangs even mentioned me, like, you should probably start looking, you know, this is areas where we live kind of thing, you know, that kind of thing.

And so I was, you know, browse them online, just, you know, waiting for, you know, an actual nod to kind of do it. And we got home from Vegas, so we did an exhibition game in Vegas and got back.

And it was kind of a weird, kind of a weird how it all kind of a paned out and went down but I got off the plane and uh and uh this the team personnel guy like the PR guy went to came up to me when I got off the plane and just said I'm gonna I'll be in touch you tomorrow I'm gonna book you a flight back to Calgary tomorrow so I never really heard from anyone which was kind of a I don't seem like kind of a shitty way to shitty way to hear it kind of thing and I called my wife that night went on my way home and I just I just told tanya I was like I'm I'm done I think I just I'm good with it already it's time to time to move on and and my agent

want the same time he wanted me to he wanted me to go and skate and you know skate with the unit with the hitman or skate with someone and just keep on something just keep you moving for a couple months he goes something's going to happen next month there's going to be injury or something like that and then you're going to get a call you'll be be a guy there and I was I was at the point where you know three kids and I didn't want to be at that point and Stratton was a baby and I didn't want to be at that point where all right so all of a sudden I get someone calls and I'm there and you know you're on an entry level deal pretty much kind of thing or whatever. And up and down in the minors,

like being away from the family. And I just, you know, at that point we were, you know, I was good with, you know, moving on.

Are you good with it now? Do you look back and be like, that was the right decision or is there a party saying, man, I just, maybe I should have given it more time. But also like your family guy, you had three kids at that point.

This wasn't like a 28 year old single guy. Just like, hey, the paycheck's good. Like there was a bigger consideration than that. Yeah, it would have been a different scenario. Like I had lots offers to go to Europe.

too. And we just said we're not, you know, we're not, we're not, we're not the point right now. And we're not at the stage right now. And, you know, just, you know, going to Europe or that, and it was just prolonging the, prolonging the retirement anyway. And, you know, it should have been great if, like I said, if I was younger and went to it around Europe and that kind of thing and had some fun with it and took the family over there. But with my two girls and then a newborn, it was like, Tanion, we just got some point. We're like, you know, it's not worth it to ship the whole family over there and, and do that way. But it was, you know, it's, it's. like I said, it was for me, it was, it was, uh, the transitional for me was, was, was good.

Like, because I was busy with the family. Yep. Um, that kind of thing. And, and, and, you know, to have a good support group at home with the Tanya and the kids, that was, that was a big part of it, right? I, um, you know, I think that was, you know, I'm lucky to, you know, have Tanya and the family. And, you know, for that transition.

Lots of guys have a tough time on their transition, right? Yeah. And for me, it was, you know, we were so busy and had other things on the go. And, and I felt like I was just as busy, you know, I didn't, when you get to the point, like, even the next year after I retired. I was like, I don't understand how, you know,

I thought it was busy when I played, but I'm busier now. Yeah, as a dad with three, you kid me? Yeah. So, especially a newborn and your strat and your first son.

Like, yeah. So it was a time. Five, three and one at that point. Like that's, that is full chaos. Yeah.

So it was, it was, you know, it was time for us. And, and, and, sure,

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You're still playing for the flames in time. So I wanted to, you know, obviously wanted to get back. That was part of my, you know, one thing that, you know, the flames organization, the flames, you know, that was one thing that they really, it's not that they pushed on you. That was something that they, that was kind of their culture, right? Be thankful. give back support different charities that kind of thing and i wanted to do something to give back and so i started my um rostock event and and uh poker event in red deer and we did that for multiple years and

and had a blast doing it um it was something where my brother and all and i um two of us kind of ran it and and had a couple of committee members. And we just kind of ran with it. And it was so, it was fun. I enjoyed doing it. I love doing the rodeo. Love, you know, helping out the Cowboys too. Like we had a good event with a good purse and, and raised a lot of money for charity.

I think you raised over $100,000 your first year and you won the Ralph T. Scurfield Award for community work as a flame. Yeah, I think we're 180 the first, 160 or 180 the first year. We're coming on. So we did the rodeo for eight years kind of thing. And then we. pandemic. Pandemic started.

And we, so we ended up shutting it down for a couple of years. And then last year we started up again for the first year. So we turned it into, rather than doing the rodeo side, which was a ton of work.

And that kind of thing, we went to more of, want to do stick with the hockey, hockey aspect. So we did a four team hockey tournament. And then our, our fun money poker event after. So it was a great,

it's been a great event. We're hoping this year, we're going to a year 10 this year. Wow. And, And we're hoping to reach the $2 million mark in 10 years. That's incredible. So, yeah, this year, I want to make a big push.

We were $200, I think $230,000 or $2,000 away from the $2 million mark. So we want to go with a splash this year and hopefully get that $2 million range in 10 years. On top of that, you're really active with the Flames alumni. What's that like? Because some of these guys are former teammates, but you also got a bunch of that 89 crew, which are a ton of fun. And those teams that go the distance together, you know tight that crew is, the 04 crew, you just missed, but you played with the line.

lot of them. What's your work with the alumni like? I'm part of the, so the executive company with the alumni here. So I was kind of one of the first younger guys to join on the executive community. I guess Rett would have been one of the first. And then, and then myself, you know, with that group of the 89 guys that kind of started the alumni group, right? But it's, I love it. You know, that's one thing here in Calgary. We have such a good alumni base. And, you know, coming from the old 89 guys that have kind of take it on and, you know, starting off with PEP and them guys and Lannie and all them guys starting out in Dana, starting out with the golf tournament.

And, you know, transition now. And, you know, we have, it's funny. Like, you still have 11, 12 guys from that 89 team. Still, wow. They still live together. They're still living in Calgary and their best buddies and have a ton of fun together. And for me, like, I'm, I'm, when I go to the events and listen to these guys and the stories that they have, right, I'm in awe still, right?

And I love the relationship we have with the older guys. But now we have, we have a lot of younger guys coming in now and a lot more guys that are staying in the city. and, you know, not only, we don't only take on Flames alumni, we take on NHL alumni that come on with us because, you know, I was fortunate enough this year to, you know, Jamie asked, McCowan asked me to go down to Florida, the alumni meetings during the All-Star game. And so went down there and, you know,

one of the biggest thing is that disconnect between the current players and the alumni and how we can, you know, that transition stage from being an alumni or from a current player to an alumni, how we make that transition phase easier for guys and help guys out and have that still that team. Because that's one of the things you miss. You know, I think that's the biggest thing you miss is your team camaraderie

and being in the dresser and being with the boys. And for a lot of our alumni chapters around the league to have that space and have like an alumni suite or alumni dressing room or alumni lounge, like, you know, there's teams like St. Louis where they have a dressing room where guys use that as a meeting place. Sure.

Right. It's almost like a little country club where they, you know, but having that atmosphere and with the amount of events and sport at Calgary Flams and the foundation and our alumni groups do around the same. city. We could be busy doing things two, three times a week, right? With the requests we get. And it's, you know, obviously you have to pick and choose the ones you want to, or that you can support and that works with your schedule. But it's our, with our group with the NHL guys,

you know, the Flames guys, NHL guys, we have such a good network of guys in Calgary. And we, we're able to do more events and give back. I think that's one thing, you know, post-pendemic is that, you know, the NHL and the Flames organization and the NHL kind of set the rule left like through COVID that they didn't want teams players doing much for community initiatives during the year and support and going out and doing appearances and that kind of stuff so a lot of that after the pandemic fell onto our alumni which is great because it keeps our guys involved and yeah and you know we're lucky with the you know the flame sales team here in Calgary and you know

we have anywhere from two to two to four or five alumni at every game that's doing around and doing visits and and you know they're making us be a presence in the community and you know we're so lucky to have that after we're done what do fans want to talk to you about the most like is there a moment where you're like i've told the story a million times but people just eat it up like you'll be at the dome and you're going to be signing autographs people stop you you probably can't get 10 feet without someone saying hi what sort of sticks out is something that your career resonated with the fans um i don't know if there's one thing that really stands out you know like i think a lot of it

a lot of conversations we talked about earlier is like the teams we had in calgary how did we not how did we not go further how do we not win How did we, you know, win cups, win championships, win titles? You know, that's, that's one thing that really that was one question mark. You know, you know, obviously, you get the story, you know, people always want to ask, oh, what's the like playing with Jerome? What's like playing with Kipper? Yeah.

Right. You know what I mean? Which, you know, that's, that happens all the time. Um, that being said, it's, you know, I don't know if I can, you know, I love my, I love my time of Calgary as you know, and that's why I'm still here and being a part of the alumni and being so but i don't i don't know if i have like a set thing that people always ask sure kind of thing but you know it's now it's you know the thing is too as the fans in calgary they're so used to seeing us around all the time um you know a lot of now they're asking you what's going on

life now like what are you you know where's what are your kids doing like because you know i remember you know and lots of people remember my wife tanyan she was one of them people that or she brought our kids to every game you know for the two younger girls um starting off here in calgary she brought her every game because she's like for me it's easier to go to the dome and go in the wives room and have help for the other wives and girlfriends for a couple hours and get a break and have some dinner and watch warm up and watch a little bit of the first period then take the girls home to bed right but that was you know so it's you know so it's funny we go to rank now and you know even the ushers in our same section 104 where we used to sit they they see our girls now and they know how the kids how the kids right so that's you know that's kind of the whole family the whole family perspective and you know how the you know i think the games changed a lot too now because just back then his family was kind of on the outside, but now you see, you see the transition in the new era, and there's kids in the dressing room all the time.

There's like, back then, like you don't really bring the kids around the dressing too much, right? It was special when you got to go in the dress room, and bring your family down in the room. But now it's then, you know, even I left, you know,

my wife and I talk about all the time, and warm up now how the, you know, how the guys now, they're, their kids are on the glass and they're like waving to them and having fun of them. And back in the day, it's like,

if you're doing that, you're not focused. get ready for the game, right? There's something to use against you. So you're like pretty straight and narrow. But yeah, I don't know. It's the game's, I think the whole family aspect's huge for me. I got my wife, who knows your wife very well.

And everyone that knows your wife's a huge fan of your wife. She's recited the five names of your kids. Are you okay if I read them? Like this is, I was trying to remember A, how many and B, all their names. Can we give the, see if she get it right here? Okay. So it's Carter, Paisley, Stratton, Briggs, Kaylee. Callahan.

Callahan. Cali. Cali. There it is. So. Yeah. Those are some good country names. A,

but B, your family is an incredible family. You've been coaching your son Stratton, who I believe is around the same age as my guys, which means it's coming into his eight-year-old season, which is a ton of fun. I think stage who's got a kid the same age. How much have you loved being a dad?

And when you stop playing hockey, how much did you realize your wife's a rock star? Yeah, I gave my wife all the credit in the world. She is a rock star. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know where I'd be without her in our family is. is a huge part of our, you know, I guess our families, everything.

But it's so cool now watching the kids and being on the other side. And, you know, it's pretty cool. So Brow and Troy Brower, Matt Stage and myself, we're all started a, started a 2015 age group team for our kids in Calgary here. So we're going down that avenue now. And it's crazy the hockey. Like, it's changed so much and the creativity and all that kind of stuff. But it's at the same time, it's, when we grew up, we played in our hometown. only played one thing now there's so many different avenues so many different leagues to go on so

yeah i'm trying to navigate i'm like half time i'm lost i'm like it's a good thing that we got three heads going together with stage and brown i trying to figure out which roots or you know what way we should go and and uh but we're excited where like so we just um we got an hs l franchise this year for the first year and so we're starting our own little group so um our three our three boys are all the same age and we want to we want to you know be able to play together and and you know that's one cool thing about hockey is your teammates, your relationships and that kind of thing. And for us to be able to go out and coach each other's, coach each other with each other and coach each other's kids, it's, it's fun.

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Yeah, but, you know, it's little, little things like that that's, you know, obviously we don't see, but, you know, obviously, Tanja watches like, yeah, skates like you. My dad and my parents, too, all he skates exactly like you did. It's wild. And it's fun. You get to watch them build those relationships and have those bonds in the dressing room that you got to have another generation. That's got to be tons of fun. Yeah, it's so much fun. My kid, he's always bug him because he's the last kid of the dressing room every single practice.

I'm like, hey, buddy, let's go. let's get out of here like we we gotta get home and this is familiar yeah he just sits there and he's that's that's that's way he is he's just he's he's a social butterfly and he he's he's he's got such a cool little personality to him he's you know he's intense he's like like me um has a little bit of short fuse and gets you know he has has that emotion um but at the same time he's you know he's one of them kids that he's he's he's a perfectionist too and he he he he i don't know he that's just something about us he's he's way he's wired that's yeah it's way wired exactly you're uh almost done a full year of a new gig uh tell us about what you're doing now

away from hockey and i guess how it came to be how you like it what are you doing now that uh i don't know if you want to know if you want to call it your career you're another job or just you know something that takes some time here while you're coaching here and you're a family man here like you're working with cardinal point sports management what are they what do yeah so it's for me it's a cool little transition like this is you know what's one thing about hockey your career doesn't last very long and for me i know i wanted to do something after hockey and and this is an opportunity that came about um for me it's uh i've been a client of the company for um 20 plus years and uh they approached me about coming on board so our biggest uh our biggest thing is that we deal with um

with hockey players and athletes of doing their cross-border taxes um i call it a personal concier service for hockey players yeah sure we do everything from paying their monthly to help them with disability insurances, to help them with their car insurance policies, their home insurance policies, their renters insurance policies, dealing with banks directly. Pretty much anything on a concierge service for players, we take care of for them. So guys, for example, leaves their credit card on the road kind of thing. Rather than sit on the phone with the bank and on the hold, they call our girls in the office, they take care of everything for them.

You know, the crazy part is, like, people don't realize, like, when it comes to the tax side, You know, when you're professional athlete, you're traveling around, you've got to pay tax in every state you plan. So it's not just the home games. There's 41 road games. You're filing taxes in different jurisdictions, provinces, states, and they're all different. Yeah. So to manage how many days you are in each state and that kind of thing. And it's, it's a, you know, the cool thing about it is when, you know, they approach,

obviously I've been a client for 20 years of the company. But when they approach me about coming on, it's more of a, you know, another aspect of my job is more of the mentorship side too. you know, I'm not your coach. I'm not your parent. I'm not your agent. I'm another voice and another ear that you can vent out on if you have issues, that kind of thing where I can, you know, be another line of support for young players.

And for me, building them relationships now. And, you know, it's look at agents and they're building relationships with kids at 14, 13 years old now, which is, I seem is absolutely crazy. But that's the way the game's gone. And for me to start building relationships with these kids. So when they, you know, when they do sign a contract and it's, and, you know, it's a completely different life changer when they sign their first contract and money's coming in and, and trying to get them set up where they live. They're going to be in the States, cut and ties to Canada, move down there, you know, important vehicles, like all that kind of stuff, right?

So it's a, it's a completely different aspect. And, you know, a lot of these kids, they don't, you know, and not only kids, but a lot of these guys that we deal with and clients of ours, they don't realize that, okay, with your career, your career, if you, if you run a 10-year career, You're doing really well. You're beating the odds. Yeah. Right. How, what's it look like from post career to you get your pension at 62?

It's a lot of time. And how do we bridge that gap and how do we monitor your spending? How do we advise you on different business situations, different opportunities you have? You know, I know one thing I had friends all the time, approach me about, hey, why don't you invest in this company? Why don't you invest in this? That kind of thing, right? Early on.

And it's something where, you know, it's, we do business evaluation. So if they get to pitch something, it comes to us, we do a complete business evaluation, of it and advise them. Is this legit? Is this not? Yeah, advise them on, is this make sense or does this not make sense? We're staying away from this. This is something that intrigues us. So it's a, you know, it's, you know, for me, I've, like I said, 20 years and I'm in

contact weekly or, you know, with the girls in the office or, or, you know, our partners of the company and talking about that and always had that relationship. Like, you know, big, big part of my job is when our clients come to town. I'll take them for breakfast, the day of a game or take them for dinner the night. before a game and just build our relationship and and if they have any issues that what's going on your life yeah just being a you know being uh you know or you know another lifeline yeah right and uh you know like i said for me it's this is a good transition for me even like I said I lived it through this company for 20 years and I I want to help these young guys so that you know you

don't hear horse stories a guy's going broker you know bad business deals or anything like that where you know I'm going to look out for them and long term for their family well it's nice that it's not just hey this this company I just met no they they manage my money. I know how these guys work. I can vouch for them and trust me on this and here's my experience in this situation. I think it's a great fit. We wish you the best luck in that. There's a couple of year old teammates that have new jobs. Craig Connor and Jerome McGillan, what are your thoughts on the developments in the last six months? A very different front office than the one we saw around Christmas. It is definitely different. You know, it's great. Connie,

Connie is, you know, I was fortunate to play at both of them for a long time. And, you know, Connie's one of them guys that, you know, his, his whole persona, his, you know, as a guy you see as a leader, that kind of thing. And him coming in and, you know, leading the, he's been around a long time, put his dues in. You know, I used to live, Connie used to live right behind me when I lived in West Hillhurst. And I, uh, when he first retired and he started working out as a special assistant to the GM kind of thing, I never seen the guy. I saw his, like the girls and, uh, his wife and the girls all the time. The girls babysat for us once in a while. But he was always on the road.

he was on the road 20, 25 days a year. He's put his time in. You know, Connie is such a nice guy. And, you know, that's one thing that, you know, he is, he is loyal, you know, obviously bringing Jerome back in. He wants to bring some, you know, people around him that he knows and, you know, has that loyalty to. And, you know, put a group together. He's got, you know, he's done a good job. And he's, you know, he's got mentors. He's mentored under, you know, so many good top execs in the game and learned to process and learn to roll, right? And, you know, for him, I'm excited for him. I think Connie's going to do a great job. um you know it's going to be it'll be interesting this next year you know he a lot of things have changed and you know players have demanded what they've wanted and they've kind of got what they

wanted so now it's it's in their hands right um yeah it's a whole new whole new coaching staff you know not new coach and different new head coach a couple new assistants new assistants and you know it's at the point now or you know it's it's on the players now yeah right um you know that was one when when when uh when tree had brought in uh darrell he's like the coaches going anywhere like we're going to figure out what's going on here and to do that kind of thing and you know darrell had his time and and you know he taught a lot of guys a lot of great things you know i was out of game this or right before the year before johnny kind of left right and i was sitting there and warm up and johnny's dad was sitting there so i went and sat beside johnny's dad he's like

you know what um you know he we kind of talked about coaching and that kind of stuff and he goes he goes he goes i love darrell's a coach darrell's done so much for johnny as a player and you know that kind of thing and that avenue right and like you hear that from you know guys and you look at Johnny, look at Chucky. They've had some of their best careers under Darryl. And it's, you know, that whole transition stage now. So it's, you know, unfortunately didn't work out for Darrell with, you know, the team last year kind of thing.

But now that they have that new step coming in and, you know, Ryan's going to come in and do a good job. And, you know, but it's on the players now. So it's time for them to step up. And that's, you know, that's where it's at now. There's a few excuses that you can't fall on anymore. It's time to for the players to show up. And I think it'll be intriguing year.

There's still lots of talent there. And they didn't bring in a guy that they didn't like. The new coach is a guy of the organization really likes. They've groomed to be a head coach. Ditto with Connie as a GM and their first time guys, but they've been learning the ropes for a while. I'm fascinated to see how it goes. Yeah.

No, it's going to good. I'm excited to see it all play out. And, you know, obviously get back to your question really about Connie and Iggy. Like, he's coming in. Like, you know, Iggy's just kind of getting his feet wet now, I think. Obviously, he wants to, I'm guessing. He wants to finish coaching his kids in Kelona. Joe's got one more year at you 15 or 15 age group and then he's into the Western

League. and I think you'll see a lot of Jerome, not that you haven't already, but once, for sure, this time in a year. Yeah, exactly. Full time. It'll be, you know, it'll be a different, you know, different look again, right? And, you know, obviously, I think, you know, with them too and they're, you know, the hockey minds that they have and they create and, you know, just with the two of them,

like there's a lot of experience there, right? And, you know, I'm hoping that between the two of them and the rest of the staff, like, you know, the, between the, you know, the pro scouting guys and the rest of management, they've been around a long time, right? And to collaborate. And it gets cool to have two alumni in there now and, you know, kind of taking over the ropes. Hey, guys, it's Pinder. Back to the show in a moment.

We're going to dive into a betway bet of the day though right now. And I'll tell you one thing, I've been thoroughly impressed with the Baltimore Orioles work over the first two-thirds of the baseball season or so. Best bullpen in baseball, best closer in baseball, deep lineup. Maybe no superstars, but a lot of really solid players. Pitching staff maybe doesn't while you, but they just win. guys, they win, hitting, bullpen, start a rotation. I don't see a weakness. They are plus 500 to come out of the American league in Major League Baseball's playoffs this year. I mean, they're third or fourth on the list for odds. What are you talking about? This is the best team in the AL right now.

I love Baltimore plus 500 to come out of the American League and head to the World Series. Jump on that one. Kit the Betway app, 19 plus. Bet the responsible way, Betway. Awesome to hear about your new gig. always great to run into your family, great people. The amount of money you've raised in the community with your work with the alumni and your own, you know, poker, rough stock, hockey event as that's evolved over the years. Huge kudos to you. And I think, you know, I asked you what Flames fans would come up and talk to about. I'll tell you one thing that everyone would agree on.

Like, everyone admired the way you played the game. You were physical. You played with a great intensity. You worked your tail off. You're a great flame. And appreciate the sit-down time today. Thanks for having me. It's been a long time coming.

We've been trying to skate. trying to schedule a date for a long time but uh you know obviously busy and and uh no it's glad to get in i look for to come back right on me enjoy the rest of your summer thanks buddy