Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Former Calgary Flames Goaltender Jamie "Noodles" McLennan (FULL INTERVIEW PART 2) | FN Barn Burner

Episode Date: September 22, 2023

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June 2000, Calgary, Alberta, the Minnesota Wild and the Columbus Blue Jackets hold the expansion draft. Second overall pick to the Minnesota Wild Jamie McClennon. I couldn't, I had had to go and look, well, who went first? Itchy, scratchy, Taborachi goes to the Columbus Blue Jackets. The first six picks were all goaltenders. I get crazy that. Did you feel like you, because you were obviously exposed by St. Louis? Did you feel you were going to get picked up there? What was your thought, obviously, when you now are going from a 51 win

team to an expansion team? Okay. Not only did I feel, I knew I was being picked because you want to talk about, you know, backdoor conversations and, you know, all of that type of stuff. It's the reason why I hired Maxie from, from Fierzy, because I knew I was going from a first place team to a last place team, and that was going to be, not a last place, but to an expansion team. So I knew it was going to be very tough mentally to handle that. So, yes, I knew in February of that year that I was still playing in St. Louis

that I was going to be exposed and that here's the other thing. I needed to sign a contract. I needed to be under contract to be exposed. I was going to be unrestricted. So they needed to sign, the St. Louis Blues needed to sign me to expose me. So I had some leverage. So to the point where I do believe I, you know,

that Minnesota might have been involved in the contract extension to the St. Louis Blues, you know, which is, you know, like, I don't, you know, I don't, I can't confirm or deny. It's more just like they knew what was going on. And I had to be under contract to be exposed. And Brent Johnson was coming up. He was going to take my job the next year.

He was ready to play in the NHL. So I knew I was not going to be a blue the next year. So whether I went to Minnesota or got, you know, traded or whatever, I needed to be signed to be exposed. And I knew, I knew it was 99.9% chance I was going to Minnesota because I, I think the scouting staff and the people there like me. So that's kind of what I've heard. So what about that team? I remember talking with like Perry Barrazan when he goes to the San Jose

Sharks and they're new and it was a rag tag bunch and just crazy, playing out of the Cow Palace and that down in San Jose. Obviously a little bit different here. I was, you guys won 25 games. Scott Pellerin led you with 39 points in scoring that year. It's total Jacques Lamar hockey. It's trap it up that you guys had 25 is a miracle for that team because you were not very good. Well, and so if you go back, there's a stat that sometimes comes up, even when I'm doing color to this day,

it's called the lowest goal support for a goaltender in modern day. That was me. So I played in 38 games that year. and the team scored 53 goals total. So. Just get me one, boys. Yeah, exactly. Except I would give out four.

But I had, I want to say, I don't have the stats in front of me, but I think I, did I have four shutouts that year? And I think two of them were zero, zero ties. Where I had to. They didn't get the win. And they had ties, right? back then they had ties. So I remember playing at home, I think we were playing at home,

and I got a zero-zero-zero tie, and the trainer cut the puck in half, and Roberta Lwango got half of the puck, and I got half of the puck. In my storage downstairs, I've got a couple half-pucks that have shutouts on them, because they were zero-zero-ties. Like, so, yeah, you want to talk about,

and honestly, first-class organization, unbelievable setup, unbelievable building, from day one. I mean, Minnesota should have never lost a team anyways. But you get, you went back there, the building was packed. They, they set it up amazing. To the point where I still, a lot of the guys that I played with in year one, year two,

they're still entrenched in the organization. Like, West Walls is still there. Brad Bombadier is still there. Darby Hendrickson's still there. Like it's just Tony DeCosta, they're trained. The head equipment trainer has been their only equipment trainer the whole time. They put together a really good set up there. But wins were hard to come by.

And I remember Jacques Lemaire was the coach. And we had meetings that summer. And Jacques took me and Manny Fernandez into a room. And he goes, you know, I know your contract. You're getting paid a lots of money. You're going to get a lot of hard starts this year, noodles. And he goes, do you have a problem? and he points to Mani

with that guy being my sister's kid. And I don't know if you guys knew this. Manny Fernandez was Joclemaire's sister's kid. And I go, no, I'm fine with that. I go, like, this will be a healthy competition. I go, as long as you don't. He goes, I don't have a problem.

And I was like, all right, let's do this. You know, so Mani and I had a unique relationship. But he was a really, really, really good goalie. Really good. And, you know, Jock, to his word, that year he said, you know, you're going to get some tough starts. Like, I'm, I'm, you know, we're going into Colorado and they've got, you know, a team that's a Stanley Cup. You're going to be playing those games, you know, and I said, no problem. And I think I had five wins, 25 losses and five ties, stuff, whatever I had that year.

But statistically, it was ugly, but I swear, like, I even say this to this day. I thought I played really well for them. It just, it didn't, you know, there was no wins there. There's just no, you were in a expansion team. And then, you know, the next year, they signed Wayne Rollison, who was an upgrade over me. So they ended up, I ended up having to play a year in the minors because my contract was pretty good. I had what's called salary revision. So I had, I made, I can't remember what I was making, say a million bucks that year.

but if I got to five games, it was like $50,000 bonus and $50,000 added to the next year's salary. It was this like crazy double bonus. So because I played 38 games, I had inched my way up to a pretty decent salary. So I priced myself out of the league as a backup. Yeah. So I had to kind of wait a year to get back into the fold. And you could renegotiated deals back then, but you had teams calling going, well, trade for you tomorrow. if you tear up your contract and you can go two years at seven or you can play in the minors

at one year at 1.4. I'm like, okay, well, I'm going to collect my money and play in the miners and rebuild myself and then go back. And that's kind of what happened is, you know, I priced myself out of the league as a backup and didn't have a statistical great season the year before. And, you know, I had to battle to get back. And I got back when Craig, Craig Button traded for me. I went to Calgary. So just because you're a great teammate and you're of course going to be the guy. Yeah, some tough games. Yeah, hey, put me in. I'm fine with that.

Were you fine with that? Because even you and Roman Turk win the Jennings, whether your name's on the trophy or not, 51 wins and yeah, you lose in round one. But then you've got to be thinking, I'm going to an expansion team, but I'm playing. I got as good a shot as anybody. And the coach says, hey, it's all good, but you're going to play some tough games. and you play those top games, and then the next year you're in the minors.

While you're losing those games, and then at the end of the day, don't you feel like that's a kick in the balls for being a good guy? It was, but, you know, ultimately, you know, Mani played better than me. Like, he was a better goaltender than me. So, you know, on nights where, you know,

I remember I lost 4-1 in San Jose one night, and Jock took me into the office afterwards, and I was like, oh, am I getting it? And he goes, I just got to say, I'm sorry. And I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, we gave up 28 quality chances tonight. He goes, that's the most I've ever seen in an NHL game. And yeah, like I remember the fourth goal I allowed was a bad goal, five hole.

But outside of that, I thought it played really well. But statistically, it's still a loss. Statistically, you know, my say percentage probably that night. I don't even know what the shots were, but probably didn't hit 900. So you're like, okay, does it look good? No, does it, like, it was a natural reset because it's like this guy didn't do the job, but it's like we weren't on a great team. But there were times where like, okay, man, he stood on his head.

He deserved. Like, if you look at Manny stats compared to mine that year, like, man, he was great. Like, he just, he was a better goal tend than me and he outplayed me. But then, you know, if you looked at the quality of starts, some of them were, you know, more on par with us, but it doesn't matter. He was still going to be. And if you look at his career trajectory, like he ended up being a starter there. And I think one year he played, he might have played the All-Star game.

He was that good. Like he was a really good goalie. But that was our first year and we were still kind of learning under Jacques. And Jacques was awesome. He was really good to me. But it was, he was just very honest. Like he's the coach that I had who always had an answer. Like sometimes you talk to a coach and you say, what do you think about this?

And he's, oh, you could try this. you could try this. Jacques would just say, you do this, and this will happen. Like, it was like, it was unbelievable how smart he was, cerebral. So I loved my time there, but it, you're right. Like, believe me, when I was sitting in the minors in Houston and, you know, thinking where the, like the year and a half ago, I'm in St. Louis on top of the world, there was some tough times for sure, because that's when I knew,

that's when I knew I loved hockey more than making money. because I was making the most I'd ever had in my career, but I was miserable doing it in the H.L. But, you know, I, it was a good, it was a good reset for me. I had Todd McClellan, and he was a young coach, and he was awesome. And, you know, Todd, I have so much respect for Todd. I'm a huge fan of his, and I watched him work every day. And he was awesome to me because he said to me day one, he goes,

I'm not sure how long you're going to be here, whether it's two days, two weeks, for the whole season. He goes, just give me your best. And I said, Todd, I'll give me my best. And I was here, I was there the whole year. I think we went to, like, the conference finals of the finals in the HL that year. Like, we played well. And I thought I gave him my best. But there were times, to be honest, yeah, where I was, I was pissed to be there because I didn't think I deserved to be there. It didn't matter. Like, I was there. And I had to eat it, you know. You mentioned the trade to Calgary, June of 2002, a ninth round, pick. Some will be shocked to know that there used to be nine rounds in a draft. So how did you,

I guess, did you know this trade was coming? Had you lobbied for a trade or how did it come to be? Because Calgary brings you in and then that's kind of another chapter for you. Well, again, talking about potential information behind the scenes, I did, I did know that I was going to be traded to Calgary. I didn't realize it was going to be during one of my pub crawls. So I had to take a quick pause and take that phone call from Craig Button and from Minnesota as well, wishing me well. And there's a bunch of guys yelling and screaming in the background, half naked, who knows what was going on at that time.

But it was June. And, yeah, I got traded for a ninth rounder that doesn't exist anymore, which is kind of funny. But I knew. And I knew I was going. Craig had intimated to my agent, Pat Morris, that, you know, he wanted me. me in the system wanted me, you know, back. It was more back, again, I was on a more reasonable contract for what I brought. I was on a backups contract.

And I can't remember what it was. I want to say maybe seven or $6.50 or something like that. But it was, you know, it was decent. Like I got paid well and got brought back into the fold and I got back to the NHL, which was where I wanted to be. And working with it was large back at Ring Calgary at that time? Yeah. So large was there.

So I came back and that was, you know, Craig was there. We had Greg Gilbert and then I can't remember when Darrell came in and took over type of thing. I think that's when, so it was me and large and then it was me and large. And then Darrell came in and then he brought Kipper in. Darrell came in near the end of that year because I remember he had. Spring of 03. He had a chat with all the guys who were over 30. He brought us all into this room.

And I remember like looking around the ring. And I think it was me, Dave Lowry, Marty Jellina. I'm trying to remember who else. There was, you know, the 30 plus group. Craig Barubi, I think. And he just said, we've got five games left. And he goes, if this team goes into the tank because of the lack of leadership in the room, I'm going to have a problem with that.

So he said, I want to see compete these last five games. They mean something. They mean something to everybody. And he goes, one thing that you guys have in conference. in this room. What is it? We're all looking at each other. I'm like, I don't know what it is. He goes, you're over 30 years old. Remember that. And it was interesting. You know, Daryl always did everything with a tact, right? He had, you know, mindset behind it. So, yeah, that was, that was like, I think my first and second year in Calgary and coming back. But I played with

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Check out their social streams on Twitter at The Hearing Loss or on Instagram at The Hearing Loss Clinic. Do you think Turek had any hand in you coming back in there? Like was your relationship in St. Louis one that they would want to, if Turek's are number one and McLennon and he got along well and they played together well in St. Louis, let's bring them together. Do you think that played a part in it? I think it does because if you look at some of the goalie partners I worked with, and I'm this is a public story, but Roberto Luongo, when he was negotiating with Keenan for an extension in Florida, one of his, we'll call it demands, was that I'm part of it. He extend me. But I had an

option to be picked up. So he wanted my option picked up. Louis wanted to sign. And he wanted, you know, I think the goalie coach, he wanted like things to, and never worked out to the point where Louis got traded to Vancouver and Keenan didn't pick my option. So it's, you know, there was, there was things where you had that relationship with the starter, where, yes, if it's, if it's a choice between McClennon and somebody else who is probably in the same, you know, conversation, but McClennon's played with Turrick, absolutely. So, and Roman and I had a great relationship in St. Louis. I think I had a great relationship with all my goalie partners. Some closer with others.

I'm still very close with Louis. I'm still very close with Kipper. I'm one of the only guys I feel like he talks to in this world because he's, you know, quite a recluse. But, you know, Fierzy and I like worked well together. Hexie. I run into Tommy Soderstram. I don't know if you guys had that.

It's cameos. I'm on that cameo or whatever. Yeah. You know that app. Somebody sent me a note asking for a cameo for Tommy Soderstrom's birthday. and it was like the Tommy Sauterstrom fan club. So I sent it to him. I was like, God, I miss that guy.

I told the story about him on the stock market and stuff. And he sent me a note on Twitter. So it was kind of neat. Like I had very unique relationships with all my goalie partners. But I do think that the familiarity and having a good tandem like we did in 1999, me and Roman, probably helped with them to bring me to Calgary to play with them for sure. So Kipersoff, and we've had you on the show a number of times, and you've talked about this a lot.

Probably Flames fans know it, but Turek is injured, you're playing. Here again, this is my time, grab a hold of the stick. It's my chance to go, and then you get injured.

How many games did you play before you got injured? Because you were playing well. Well, I broke my sternum. Yeah, what's the same? Rolston, didn't he hit you with a slapper? Yeah.

Yeah, Brian Rolston. hit me right here and it fractured my sternum and you know spidered it or whatever and chip my clavicle i still have like a bump in there it's like a i think a calcium deposit now but i played like 10 games with it and it just i remember talking to darrell about it because i couldn't move my arms that well like you're you know you're everything's attached so it's like okay like everything's attached your breastplate so you're kind of like okay if i keep my hands in front of my body you know that could work out and so so we put like an extra pad on there and the guys knew and you know in practice like everyone's i'm just kind of like standing there and practice and then okay games

would come and a shot would come and if you like opened up i could feel like tearing in there that was painful very painful but i remember talking to darrell and said like let me let me let me play. And I said, the minute that I feel like I'm hurting the team, I will let you know. Like, you'll obviously know through my play, but like you take me out. But I said, let me play. And that, I think it was about 10 games in like that January time. Roman had blown his knee out. And I think Danny Sabrin might have been up. And I was like grinding away. I can't remember when did he trade for Kipper. He might have traded Kipper earlier. November.

Oh, you know what it was. He traded November, but what happened was Kipper hurt his knee. Yeah, Kipper heard his knee at the All-Star break. Yeah, so Kipper heard his knee. Roman had a knee injury, and then I broke my sternum. So I was like, let me play through this until Roman comes back. So I talked to Darrell. Darrell was good with it.

The guys banned. The guys were blocking shots. Like we were like a tight defensive team. And we won some of the time. games. I felt like I played solid. But to this day, I remember the moment where I knew I was hurting the team more than I was helping. It was in Washington. And we were tied zero, zero with five minutes left. It was me and only Colzig. So we both have a shutout going. We're both playing pretty good. And I don't, I'd have to go back and look at the box score, but I remember

Iggy scored. And it's like five minutes left in the game. I'm like, okay, we can do this. We can win. I could get a shut out here. And then they scored right away. And then Matthew Lombardi, I think, scored. And I'm like, okay, with like three minutes left, we can do this. And I remember it went back to the point and Gonshar took a slap shot. And I went to catch it.

And my chest like came open and I like let it like it go through my glove. Like I didn't have the strength to keep it in. So that made it too all. And I'm like, oh, I've really hurt the team here. Iggy scores with like a minute left. So now I'm like, okay, everyone's bailed me out. We're going to do this. And with like, they pull their goalie with like 10 seconds left.

And I'm standing against the post. And Yarmour Yager throws a hope puck from the corner. It climbs up the net. He's behind the net. Climes up the net, drops in like the crevice of my knee, hits my knee, and drops over the goal line. Just the worst goal I've ever, like, it's still traumatizing to talk about it. The worst goal, and they tie the game to make it 3-3.

So I've got a shutout going me and Colts did five minutes left in the game. Now it's 3-3, and we're in one, and I can't be trusted. The next buck that's going to be thrown at me is going in the net. It doesn't matter. Like it just, and after the game, I remember it. We ended up tying that game 3-3, fine, but like I remember saying to Darrow, like, Like that's enough. I've heard the team here.

And Roman was coming back. So Roman came back and Kipper came back, obviously. And I became expendable because they had the two guys there. And Darrell traded me to the Rangers for Chris Simon, me and Josh Green. So that was kind of the end of. Yeah, we're in Dallas after I'd gone out all night. And I remember coming home at like five o'clock in the. morning and locking eyes with darrell in the lobby and i was like you didn't see me i just kind

went out to the elevator and um we came down the bus was at noon and i came down at 11 o'clock and darrell was in the lobby and he called me over and said i just traded you to the rangers and i remember saying is it because i broke curfew and he started laughing it's like no he goes we've been working on this for a while so anyway so i got traded and i had to go on the bus and i had to go on the us to say goodbye to the guys and stuff. So it was a, that was an emotional time because we were a really close team. I remember him calling us over

to tell us before he told you, I think. And I was like, oh, for good. I want to ask kind of both of you for that, because you're a beloved teammate. That's your story. Beloved teammate, a leader in the beloved teammate, a leader in the room, the guy that keeps everybody together, the glue,

best seat in the house, supportive of events. everyone has other teammates that you just heard stories say i'll go if he comes i mean he knows how much he's liked and then on top of that i think that what really why we felt this so shitty we were that close to team plus he'd played so hard in that pain and people it's good right now that you talk about it because there's a guy that played for the flames a couple years ago that was in the Stanley Cup final and he was talking about and he got hurt and he talking about how he couldn't get out of bed and the guy there

he played with it. So I'm sure there's different degrees of it. But my point is he battled so hard and done so much and been such a part of the integral in getting that group to be a team. That's and then you, and even greener. all loved Greener because he was so fun and you battled and did what he needed to do to kind of be around. Yeah.

When you lose guys off of teams that are that close, it's heart wrenching. It is hard. It's hard. I remember, you know, and it was getting to New York, they were blowing it up. Yeah. So, you know, that's what I never understood is why the components of that trade. I could see why Darrell wanted Chris Simon. but I was looking last night

they had offloaded so many guys that's you played in Messia's final game in the National Hockey League because he was done they'd traded Leach they traded Covalov, they traded I mean, Holik is a UFA, they're blowing it up why did they need you because they're not keeping you I just, is there not a draft pick? What was, what was, why did the components of that deal

why it had to have included you at that point? I think they needed a goalie. It had to go out the other way. I don't know if it was a financial situation or if it was just if one had to go out one way. And also trying to remember they had Jason LaBarber coming up, but it was me and Mike Dunham. And you're right, we had to be on expiring contracts that they were just going to let us go anyway. So it was, it wasn't like throwaways, but it was like almost I look at it from a corporate standpoint, like bodies in, bodies out. And that's what it had to happen.

So I don't think, put it this way, I don't think the Rangers are like, we need Jamie McClennon or this deal falls through. It's like we need to make the money, we need to make the money fit. So if it was maybe Josh Green and my salary maybe added up to what Chris Simon was making or whatever. But it was, I think it was more the, and we need a goaltender because they didn't have one at the time. I think the barber was in the minors. And so I think it kind of worked that way. I actually never asked Darrell the semantics of how it went down. But yeah, it was tough.

Watching them go to the finals was cool, like heart-wrenching. But I remember coming back and Darrell called me personally. And they were against Detroit in game six, I think, at home. And he's like, I want you in the building. You need to be here. So I talked to Hanlon. I came down and put me in a luxury box. I just kind of hid.

And then you guys won. I think Jelly scored an overtime or you guys won that night. And I went to like Cayley's and, you know, had drinks and saw everybody there at the end of the series. And it was kind of cool just to, you know, kind of, you know, I was a part of it, but not a part of it. But it was like the guys made me feel a part of it.

And then obviously the finals. It's funny because I know that all the guys in the room, like I don't know how it would work. But like when your season was over, but your contract wouldn't have been up. Because if your contract had been up, we'd have said, you're on the road with us.

Let's go. You're it. Just get back down there. Yeah. Depot's got your shit in the back. Just grab a bag in your jersey and come on the road. Yeah, pretty much would have done that. That would have been fun. We've been going there.

There's still so much that we could get into. But I don't want to tell. I mean, God, we've been rolling here. Let's talk about Kipper. You guys have a special relationship. That one year he plays 74 games. Most backups would be choked. I never get to play.

This is the shits. But you and Kipper had a great bond. What was it like playing with that guy? And I guess just some, any Kipper stories. I know there's the one with helicopters and nickelback and stuff that's, that was in your book that. Yeah.

Got it. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah. I think the more like my, my, my favorite thing about Kipper was that he always played like the aloof like, nah, you know, I don't care.

I don't really know what's going on. where he was like the other way. He was sharp as attack and he saw everything. He was very, very perceptive. So, yes, watching him work every day, the coolest thing about it was he knew what it took for him to be ready. So it wasn't like, hey, I need, you know, I'm going to go through practice, I'm going to go through this.

It was like, I'm going to stretch. I'm going to take my shots. I'm going to do my pre-scout. And a lot of his pre-scout was either done in his mind, Because he would ask me, like, what does that guy like to do? What does this guy like to do? We always talk. So it was, he had everything buttoned down.

To a point, it was almost like his formula. He'd sit and stretch in the morning. I have no idea what that guy ate for pre-game lunch. I'd, you know, see on the road, he would have chicken and pasta. But, like, he was just one of those guys who, he just knew how to play, it knew what it took for him to play that night if he needed extra or whatever. but you would you would think he was so dialed in so intense and he was the other way where I remember one time he always used to bug Depot our trainer about being cheap and and you know

whatever like Depot and Depot had bought his kids a guinea pig and the guinea pig only had one eye so like he used to he called it like winky or something. something. I can't remember what. So we're like, I'll never forget this. I'm sitting on the bench and Kipper come to the bench and we're going into a shootout. And, you know, so whatever the score is, 3-3 or whatever, we're going in a shootout and Kipper would throw the towel to depot, Depot throw him the towel and be mask up, he would drink and water. And he would always be looking at Depot and like have one eye close and be like, like, you just always like, his timing of everything was always perfect because you know you're in this pressure-packed situation

he's just to go into a shootout and he's messing with people behind the bench you know and he loved it like he would laugh like he would look at me you'd have one eye closed and people would be so rattle like oh you know screw you kipper screw you and like tipper would be laughing as he put his mask down he would look at me like because him and i knew it was like his sick sick form of humor And, you know, he just, that's what he was like to a T. It's just, to this day, we don't talk very often, but it's like, I'll open up a text from him. And it's just like a funny video or just a funny little saying, like, you know, an article from a paper. Like, he still reads things.

He still follows things. But it's like, you know, it would be a picture of like somebody that we played with. And it's just like, you know, what do they look at what this guy looks like now or something. Like, it's just funny. Like, he's always. had that really great sense of humor. You know, you witnessed it every day too.

Well, and that's what you, that's the thing about him is that he'd love to laugh. He'd love to be having fun and enjoying it. He loved it all. But he came across as kind of Mr. Serious, right?

Oh, yeah. I'm dialed in all the time. No, you're not. You're a shit disturber. One time I was coaching. I'll never forget this too.

We were having him. We were going through a rough stretch and I was coaching. So I'm his goalie coach. And we're having like a pretty heated coaches meeting, you know, Brent Sutter and Dave Lowry, Rob Cookson. You know, we got all the coaches in there. And there's a knock at the door. And Kipper pokes his headed and he's like, I need to talk to my goalie coach, you know. And they're like, okay, you know, Kipper's like, you know, so dialed in.

Like, okay, like, okay, noodles, you go. You go deal with what Kipper wants. So I go back through the gym and he's in Rich Hesketh's, our strength and community. conditionings is his office. But the blinds are all closed. He takes me in and he closes the door and I'm like, what's up? Like I'm thinking, okay, we're going to talk something.

And he presses play on YouTube and it's like a funny video of like, you know, people get hit in the nuts with balls or something. You know, like it was like a YouTube clip and he's like, look at this. And he's like, look at this. And he's laughing. And we're watching this video and dying laughing. And like everywhere else.

The house is on fire. Like, you know, we're losing games. The coaches, you know, the owner's mad. Like, everybody's mad. And he's showing me this, like, funny home videos of, like, you know, parents getting kicked in the nuts. Like, that was just. And he's laughing, like, dying laughing.

And I'm like, just be ready to play hockey tonight. That was him in a nutshell. He was so awesome. So awesome. It's time to discover or rediscover the legendary St. Eugene Golf Resort and Casillas. Planning a golf trip, a romantic getaway, or maybe just some tranquility away from the city. St. Eugene is the answer.

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He was part of the, we're not going to get back. We need a helicopter. We've been out all night. Was he in on that story? Well, you know, my book, I had to sanitize my book a little bit, put it that way. But I would just say there were bodies there. You know, Chad's let the, Chad is in the years prior, has led it out that, that, Kipper was in attendance there.

Yeah. That way. Yes. But it never came from me. That's the thing. If you look at my book, it's me and first person, but there were other people. There were other patrons at that house at Chad's house. And, you know, Chad, to this

day, Chad and I are still very close. I'm with him last weekend. But like, you know, he, it was a late night. There was a helicopter involved and Mika Kippersoft was in the building. Yes. So put it that way. And it's a, it's, you know, it's because the, the helicopter was the only way.

Because so you, you guys have been out, you've been partying. You're at Chad Kruger's house from Nickelback. It's, it's late. And then the realization is, oh, shit, we need to get to the rink. We'll never make it in time. Well, yeah, we need to get back to the hotel. Chad lives in Abbotsford, which is 45 minutes outside of Vancouver. And, you know, the bus and the plane are late.

even because we're moving on to the next city. So yes, there was a time crunch. Put it that way. And, you know, only, there's a time crunch only that a rock star could make a phone call that a helicopter would land in his live in his like front yard and then take, take the patrons back to downtown Vancouver so that we could grab our stuff from the room. You could have a chance. Jesus.

We have a chance to make the time. Like it just, that one was, you know, dodging bullets left in. Right. But, you know, it was the longest, it was years later. I don't know how, you know, I think Chad said it in an interview or something. And I was like, why did you say that name? Yeah. Yeah. I will confirm or deny that, you know, he was in attendance that night, put it that way. It was a late night. Where do you land the helicopter? Where does the helicopter land for the hotel? Did they have a pad on those? I think there's like, no, it was like next, like, literally, like, not even a block away. There was a car waiting for us, dude. So anyways, it's a disaster.

That's, it never stopped. It never stopped. But, like, the thing is, that's just one night. And, like, Kipper wasn't a huge partier. But what he was is the guy who was with a good team. You know, he was just, if we were going out for drinks, if we were doing something, like, he would, a lot of times, like, on the road, he would just, like, cave, you call it up. go to the go to his room he and eric stay in but if there was times where we could all hang

out we would hang out and he was great at that like he was you know retro you how many times have we been out with him where you know he and he can go the distance put it that way for a guy who's not wasn't very thick he could go the distance with everybody he could he could he could stand in there all night if he had to well there's too many guys that wouldn't go they'd put you know forget that it's important to be together and have some fun, have those laughs. Kipper never missed out on it when it was a team thing.

You can't say enough. I just, I remember, like, you know, first time, the one night, I, we played in Toronto, I remember the one time, and Kipper came to me as like, you have your passport? Like, yeah, we're going with retro. We'll go down to Buffalo.

I feel like I feel like we took a car down to to Buffalo. to a bar and I was like, why are we in Buffalo for those bars in Toronto? But that's the type of stuff. Like, you know, it's good times. But, you know, I don't think,

and it comes back to the start of this conversation, it's just everyone's wired differently nowadays. So I don't know what guys are up to for their fun. I'm sure they do have fun, but it's just a different type of fun. Like, the one thing I'll say, like retro, you know, there's a million stories.

about you. You came to play every night. Mika Kipersoff came to play every night. Now, he didn't have as many stories, but just, you know, when he took time to go out, he enjoyed himself, a man who came to play. And that was the one thing that was always ingrained at us is like, okay, you're going to go have a little bit of fun. You better be the first guy working your ass off at practice the next day or whatever was asked of you, that you better be front and center from the dedication of dedication part.

where nowadays you see guys if they go out all night, I don't know if they can hide it, and I don't know if they can function the way that if we, you know, I can function on no sleep, which, you know, was rare, but then I would certainly sleep the next day. So, you know, when afternoon naps were longer than your night,

your sleep at night, that was usually an indication of things had gone well. Exactly. We'll wrap it here. I just want your, because this is another one of those stories that is kind of a legendary, that you have yet to serve four games of your five game suspension. It is your final game, game five, Detroit playoffs.

Kipper gets pulled because Red Wings are kind of banging them. In goes Jamie McLennan. Lasts 18 seconds before slashing Johann Friends and two five in a match penalty for aggressive and illegal use of the stick in the closing minutes of play, says Colin Campbell. Jimmy Playfair got dinged 25 grand. the team $100,000 and you got five games, and you've yet to serve those. And then Kipper had to go back into the net, which I'm sure he appreciated as well. But take us through the 18 seconds.

So I served one game. So I owe the league four. They'll never get them from me ever. But so here's my recollection of it. And I'm pretty bang on with it. And I'm going to be dead on. Here's why I'm bang on on it is because it was the stupid thing I did. You always regret mistakes that you make. So here was my process. I watched for five games, I believe it was.

These guys accidentally falling on Kipper. You know, it's like, oh, and it wasn't just friends and it was homes for all of them. It was the whole plan. The whole plan was get the Kipper song, which, you know,

if I was playing against Kipper, that's what I would get to. But that, That particular night, I remember who I was, sorry, it was an afternoon. It was a Saturday afternoon. But that particular game, Iggy was losing it because he was chasing that Matthew Schneider around the ice. He was trying to fight them. Brett Lebeda had submarine Damon Lankow and went after his knees.

So Lank said butt ended him. There was, it was a war. And I was just sitting there on the bench and watching his guys, oops, I fell over, fell on his leg, on it like they were and I remember thinking that particular day if I get in I'm going to try and start a line brawl so that he's like we can have our panic because I think we were losing like 5-1 5-2 at the time 5-1 yeah okay so at 5-1 I remember jimmy play for just looking at me and going go in and and I swear on my life of my kids and whatever this was not premeditated with jimmy

at all there were people that you know said like oh jimmy sent him off the bench all he did was put me in to get Dipper out of there because the game was getting uglier and ugly. Okay. So I go in and if you look at that full 18 minutes, I'm getting a two-minute slashing penalty right away because I'm slashing frantic. What I'm trying to do is get a reaction of him. So I flash him a couple times. If you look, he goes like this with a stick. He gives me a little whack in the head. Accidently, oh, you know, I'm off balance bone. And I'm slashing him and chirping him like going let's go let's go and we're already short-handed i think so i'm getting a penalty the puck goes around behind the net to on delayed whistle and franz and starts skating towards me

and i'm thinking okay this is going to be the line brawl he's going to sucker me i'm going to take it we're all going to pile in and this might turn into either a bench clearing or at least a line ball here but i'm going to start it okay he comes towards me i'm thinking he's going to pop me I chop him. I chop him on the right hip pen in that area. And he dropped. And I'm like, oh, no.

Like, it just planned, like, when haywire. Because I'm thinking, I'm going to chop him. He's going to punch me. We're all going to, all hell's going to break loose. I chop him. He drops. And it's just like, like, it's almost like a music at a party. Just the music stops.

And he's like, oh, no, this didn't. This didn't go. way I planned this at all. Like, I think my heart rate was at like 80. Like, I wasn't even, I wasn't even in the game. I wasn't even engaged. I was just trying to start something. And he drops, the ref grabs me, skates me out, the lines, it's like, hey, you know, calm down. I'm like, I'm fine, man. I was just, and they skate me right off the ice. Kipper goes back in, and everyone's losing it. And that's basically what happened. And I've got five games. But the thing is, is we played the next night.

So it was back to back, but it was in Calgary. Game 6 was in Calgary Sunday night. So we flew back after the game in Detroit. And Darrell said on the plane, Rich Preston pulled me inside, and Darrell said, you're going to have a hearing be at the rink at 8 a.m. tomorrow morning. So I have the hearing. Darrell's defending me thing, you know, that's nothing. It's the love tap, all of this stuff.

And it looked worse than it was. which we was. My headphones are dying here, so hold on. Let me do it. No. Can you guys hear me now? Got you. Okay.

So, Daryl's yelling at the league going, you know, that's just a love tap. And so we wait, but we're playing that night. He goes, you're going to get suspended a game for sure. And I'm like, okay,

so I think they had Danny Sabrin there or whoever was going to back up. And Rich, Preston comes in and he goes, you got five games and he got fined. And Jimmy Playfair is like, he's joking, but he goes, you just, he goes, my kids, you just took out of our garage. He goes, I was going to buy them a C-Doo this summer. And I was like, oh, God, like, so I think the team gets 100 grand. Jimmy gets 25. I get fine. Like, all hell's breaking loose. And I was so embarrassed. Like, that's the biggest thing. I was so embarrassed. I sent a note over.

because I know Chris Osgood and I sent a note over just to be like that wasn't personal man I was you know just trying to start some and it just didn't work out ironically Johann Franzen scores the game winning goal the next night so he was resurrected and he was

fine on a shitty shot come on Kipper you could have that I should have made that save at the end of the day I've had conversations with Franz and since I apologize to him because I was like I wasn't targeting you. I was just trying to start it. And, you know, hopefully it's water under the bridge.

I still get nasty Twitter messages from Detroit fans sometimes being like, you're a piece of this. And I just kind of chuckle. I'm like, you know, let it go. It was 2007 or 2006 or whatever it was. So anyway, that was my last game in the National Hockey League. And unfortunately, it ended on a poor note. but I own it.

It was my mistake, but that was my intention. And the thing is, is apparently the league said to Daryl, well, we could suspend Iggy for butt ending and Damon Langkow for something too, but, you know, the low-hanging fruit is the idiot who slashed a guy in the stomach or in the hip area. So that's basically what it was. And Franzin, in fairness is, what, 6-3-2-40?

And if anybody's ever worn a pair of hockey pants and it's taken a slash, across the front of the legs. There was a very bit of padding there. Put it this way. He went down like he got shot. I would still be laying there if he decided to beat me up. The guy was a monster.

He was a moose. Like he was like 240 pounds. Yeah. Like I just like I say, I just in my mind that transaction, I could, I was envisioning it that he was going to sucker me or punch me because I had been slashing him. then all hell was going to break loose. But it didn't go down that way and I have, I have to own that one. No,

Jimmy had the wrong guys on. That's the problem. That's blame it on Jimmy. He did hammer. He had hammer and, uh, oh. Like maybe Brad Stewart or something. Yes,

that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hammer lick was looking to old carpy. We used to call him sticky fingers, uh,

hammer lick. You'd steal anything that wasn't. nailed down in the dress group. For the octopus. Dionne would drop off jersey. Like, he'd come in with a box of Red Bull T-shirts and Hammerlick would fight everybody for all these. Like, literally it was like,

he'd take them all. Old Hammer used to call him Sticky Fingers, Hammerlick. I love that guy. He was awesome. Hammer was, we had a lot of fun with him. But that's what happened that night. And unfortunately,

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think of this like in the in your lifetime getting paid it was like a paid vacation getting paid to go play hockey in a country you probably would have never, wouldn't be on your list to go, okay, I'm going to Japan. So it all ties full circle. Joel Dick and Mike Dick, who I lived with in junior, their mom is Japanese. So Joel got his citizenship and went over and played there for 16 years. And he called me when I was going to retire.

And he said, why don't we retire together? We played bandham hockey together, come over. So I went over. I went to the KHL, which was an absolute disaster. We could do a two-hour show on that alone. And then I ended up in Japan with the pond paper. And Joel had been there 16 years. And went over there, me and Tyson Nash.

It was awesome. The culture was great. They treated us first class. The level of hockey was about the East Coast League equivalent, so good players. but everything about it was just super cool. Like I got, I went there for four months or five months. There was four teams in Japan, two in Korea and one in China. So it was like you'd never, I got to go to those countries.

I'd never been there before. So it was really cool and really great experiences. So I was, I was really proud to, you know, to be able to do that. But at the end of the season, I knew I was done. I remember calling Darrell and saying, I'm retiring. you know, I want to work for you and Darrell gave me a job the next day. But it was literally, I had to get it out of my system. I knew I wanted to play one more year, ended up in Japan.

And it was, it was awesome. But I knew I was done. I think I was like 38 years old. And I said, check, please. I'm out. So it was good. And then you coach for a number of years. And then you were working with, as you talked about earlier, with Brent Sutter and that

grew. And then that came to an end. Did you know that coaching wasn't for you or did you think I'll get a job somewhere else with another team? Because broadcasting was always seemingly going to be there for you in some way, shape, or form. But the coaching as compared to what you're doing now. It was, but I didn't love it. I loved my coach, the guys that I worked with. And, you know, Dave Lowry, Ryan McGill, Rob Cooks, and I stay in touch with all of them.

But I look at it and I joke with them to this day. we all are where we deserve to be kind of thing. I ended up in the media. Those guys are all still, you know, in hockey, either head coaches or assistant coaches. You know, I look at it. I loved everything about it. But now that I'm a parent,

I think coaching's a lot like being a parent. You can prepare your kid as much as possible. And then you send them out and they make mistakes or they may, you know, have a bad day or whatever. You can't control once they're out there. And that was the toughest part. Like coaches, there's a reason why they have gray hair. They're stressed all the time because it's like the players, they don't care.

Like, hey, goalie gives up five goals. He's going out for dinner. He's going for a beer. He's visiting with his buddies. And he's worried about the next game. The coach is worried about that game and preparing the team for, like the coach, you're always on 24 hours. So I felt, and I could.

I was offered other jobs. And to this day, I've been offered to go back into hockey. And it's not that I won't, but it's got to be the right situation. I look back and I still had a lot to learn as a coach. I think I was a really good coach from a relationship standpoint, but I needed to be better technically. And it's almost like anything. That was my first couple of years coaching.

I was still immature as a coach and I needed to learn the ins and outs. So if I had to do it again or not had to do it, if I decided to go back into it, I think I'd be a different coach now. I don't know if I'd be better, but I'd certainly be a little bit more technical. I was learning kind of on the fly, the technical stuff because I was applying it from the stuff that I'd learned from my goalie coaches, Dave Marcoo, who's still a close friend. So it was, I like where I'm at, but if I had to go back into hockey, I'd like to be more in the behind the scenes, like management.

type of thing, you know, AGM or player development, that type of stuff where, you know, it's, it's helping build a team and giving perspective and stuff and being an advisor. I'd love to do that type of stuff. And those jobs aren't, you know, they're not readily accessible to everybody. So it's, you know, I am where I am right now. And I'm, you know, this is my 13th year with TSA. So I'm, you know, I'm pretty entrenched with them. I think they like me.

I like them. And, you know, so we'll see what happens. but I love calling games. I love being on all the shows that I'm on. I do TV radio. I do all of the stuff that we, you know, you guys know,

you guys know. So it would take a special circumstance for me to leave, but believe me, I get offered them every summer. It just, you know, I think it's not the right timing right now. So we'll see what happens.

It's been how long, so you, how long have you been doing the daily radio show? Well, since day one, like, radio was, that's 12 years.

So I've been, but it used to be called Blue Lunch. Then it was Leafs Lunch. And then when O'Dog came, they moved us to the drive show. So it's called Overdrive. And I think this is year seven, eight. I don't know. It's, you know, three hours a day of us yelling and screaming and being idiots. I don't know.

It just kind of blends together. But I think that's what it's been, you know, that amount of time. Well, you guys, it's the best in the country. And I think you guys are probably told that a lot. And I think you probably know that. But there's something special about having that dynamic. And is it grind on you a little bit, three hours every single day? It does, you know, hour three sometimes if I've been sitting here in my home office and I've had dinner and I, you know, I'm having the meat sweats or I like, we have a joke on our show where it's like, you know, somebody,

go baby monkey for a for a segment where like you guys are talking the other guys just sitting there like an idiot like not being so we have i caught myself doing baby monkey yesterday during one of our interviews i hadn't said a word i was just sitting there going oh i'm on national tv i should probably look alive and it wasn't but you know what it it's like anything uh you guys will have you know you hang up sometimes from a show and you go yeah we had a great show or we we had a bad show, I only noticed the bad ones. You know, sometimes my wife will be like, how's the show? I'm like, I don't know.

I think it was okay. If you don't remember it, you think that it was good. I only remember the times where you're like, all right, I just chewed my tongue off on that or, you know, I tortured that segment or whatever. Other than that, for the most part, we're a pretty well-oiled machine, but three hours is a lot of day. It is. It's a big ask.

The host does a lot of work, right? It's really the host. I don't, you know. Yeah, Brian, Brian Hayes does all the heavy lifting and me and O just, you know, it's always the host. They're the rock stars. That's what it is. Yeah, that's what they say. It's been my experience.

Noodles, you are one of the best, man. Thanks for doing this. I knew it was going to go long, and it went longer than I thought. And there's so much we didn't even talk about. But that you had the career you did, you're getting coaching jobs. It speaks to your character. And you're one of those guys. guys that I'll tell my kids about or whatever. If you're a good person and you treat people and

you do things the right way, things are going to find their way, even if you have no idea where they're going. And I think you're one of those guys. You have been, there's no one that says a bad word about you. Everybody loves you. And you've treated people the right way, except France. But you've treated people the right way along the way. And it's, it's done amazing for you. You're one of the best at what you do. And that's the other thing. There's not many people that can do what you do the radio the TV the and and the color commentary from ice level that's that is not easy people think oh it's a breeze you just go it it's not easy and you're very good at all of them well thanks yeah no it's it's it's a lot of fun i've transitioned and you know i work hard at it that's the

one thing it is it's you know i think my hockey training has helped transition into the media because i treat it you've got to have the work at it you got to put the time and you've got to do all these things. But yeah, it's been good. And yeah, there are people that say bad things about my wife was all over me this morning. So she was chewing me out. So there, there's two people that you can point out, Franz and my wife. There you go. You're 52 or whatever. If it's, that's a short list. You've done pretty well. And Warner's sitting in Buffalo. So if you want to go get in the car and go back down to the bar in Buffalo, he can meet you there. We can still find a pint. Open, open invitation, retro. Yes, always. We do. We are going to do that. We are. We are.

are going to have. Maybe we should have a follow-up show where I'm sitting beside you. That'll be fun. We'll do that. I feel like there's a few guys from the old team that have the March date circled on the calendar for this year. So yes. So I've already in planning my color schedule, I was there was only two blackout dates that I said don't even think of scheduling me for a game or to be on the radio that day because I probably would be non-functioning and and that March second date that weekend. I think I'm going in the Thursday. I don't know. Hanlon has some stuff planned, but I've been trying to kind of plan it out with my life too to just go in because it'll be it's going to be all about Kipper, but it's going to be all about just catching up with the people

that love Kipper. And that's what I'm really looking forward to. So that'll be a fun one. Jamie, thanks for your time, man. Appreciate you. Best of luck. Any time, guys. Thanks for having me. We'll chat soon. Be good, Jim. All right, chat later. Hi, you, buddies. Boomer from Barnburner on Flames Nation.ca here with a little bit of betway action for you. Now, the Miami Dolphins, as we know, off to a great start. They are 2 and 0. A lot can happen.

AFC East, Patriots are 0 and 2. The bills are 1 and 1, and I think by many favored to win this division. But how about Miami? If they win this division, coach of the year future bet Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel, win the division, why not Mike McDaniel right now plus 700? I'll take it. Finns up. Find that one and more at Betway. Those boys will be putting on a show,

Mika Kipersoff, that jersey going to the rafters, nail down the furniture, because those guys are coming back. And, I mean, man, if we could ever get them to sit down for a while and put a microphone and have a visit with them, it would be great. It'd be tricky, but we'll try our best. Jamie McClennan, love the guy. He is one of the best. There's just no two ways about it.

Thanks to him for spending all that time with us. We had to cut it into two parts, two hours, more than two hours at the end of the day. But appreciate noodles. Appreciate you for being a part of what we're doing. Obviously, we're getting into a training camp for the flames is underway. We're getting into preseason games. Sunday is the first game. And then Monday, and they got four games in, what, six nights?

And then we're into it, folks. We'll be back with the shows next week. Retro Pinder back from his European vacation. Did he get his, you know, his bikini line waxed? I don't know. We'll probably find out. But we appreciate you. Have yourself a fine weekend.

Be safe. Be kind. And looking forward to having you on board as we get into full swing next week. Hockey season, baby. Let's go. Barn burner. Have a great weekend. See you, buddies.