Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Frank Seravalli Joins The Show | FN Barn Burner - June 21st, 2023

Episode Date: June 21, 2023

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Wednesday. Welcome to Wednesday, everybody. It is Barn Berder here inside the Tower Chrysler Studios. There's Rett who is having some salami and cheese. Salami and cheese. Break out the salami and cheese. Raptus win. Remember Chuck Sorski? Delicious. Oh, it's awesome. Did he say that? Yeah, that was one of his catchphrase. Break out the salami and cheese. Like one of a big play, like a slam dunk or something.

maybe they went at the buzzer. Chicago guy. Yeah, yeah. Everyone loved them. Had an afternoon show on Toronto. Legend. Awesome. Sorry about that.

It's good. No, good, good talk. Really good start to the show. Massive legend. Consumer Choice Award winner voted Calgary's favorite Chrysler, Dodge dealer. 10-901 McLeoddrail South Tower, Chrysler.com. I would, you know what? Get two.

What two are you starting with? Get two. I'm just saying if you go in there and you talk to the sales staff, you start talking to the people at Tower. You get two vehicles. They're probably going to give you a hell of a deal. The price of one? No, it won't be for the price of one,

but I bet you're going to get maybe some floor mats. Yeah. You know, if you're buying a RAM, maybe you get kind of the coating in the box. Oh, yeah, you got the true coat. Maybe even the tonneau cover on top. I might throw that in a cover too. It's unbelievable.

Yeah. I've been blown away at how simple and yet amazing and perfect it is. You need to have it. I can't imagine not having it. especially in Alberta where it can snow or rain on you at the snap up a finger. Oh, that reminds me. I've got to get video for Rhett. He was asking about snow.

I saw some snow yesterday that he needs to see. It's been that long. Out in tropical buffalo, you forget. It's just June, right? That's the thing. It's almost July. I do recall as a child one year we had snow every single month, which is not easy to do.

That's a special place. That's an accomplishment right there. It really is. It might have been a camp or something where you're in the mouth. mountains, but yeah, every month. So salami and cheese. Was it just hanging around? Is that left over from lunch?

How did we have that kick? Yesterday I had a hankering. I'm not sure if you guys get those, but I had a hankering for a salami and turkey sandwich with barbecue potato chips on. That's quite the collection of items. Are you pregnant? I don't know. So it's an interesting one.

Yeah. I don't know what. The barbecue chips with salami and turkey, it's just that feels kind of specific. It was delicious. I'm sure it was. Yeah. It's very red. It's a, it's a great idea.

And he, uh, I think he nailed it. He did what you. You wanted it. You got it. It's hard to get enough chips on there, though. It's probably the first bite they're spilling out. Yeah. So if I crunch them on,

And then I add more and I crunch those on and then I still have a little pile beside. What if, what if you just have the sandwich and the chips on the side? You take a bite of the sandwich and then you fire a, fire a couple in while you're chewing. Again, you don't get enough. You don't get enough. Hmm.

So. Yeah, try it. It's great. You know what you would go good with? Some of a pender's beef barley. Oh, that soup yesterday was nails. I told you, and I followed through. It was a soup day.

Sat right down. What's the soup of the day? Beef barley. Yes, biggest poll you have, let's go. Where'd you go? Pub down the day parks over there. Did you go for lonely soup? No.

I met up with one person. Flying and hot. Just sharing some ideas. Top secret. Yeah, I feel the secret. Yeah. It's attractive. Smother.

Oh, it's fine. Swerve. Not here to judge. Not here to judge. Not here to judge. we are going to have Frank Saravale on the show today Frank usually on a Tuesday

is going to be Frank on a Wednesday today that's the season of Frank bombs if you think about it we're now officially a week from today round one we are in draft week this is when some of the biggest

blockbusters in the history of the league have been taking place great it's one for one let's get some stuff going here what would Gary say if say it was a week from today and you're at the draft and then thank you

Nashville. We have a trade to announce. You're going to want to hear this. He really does have kind of a thing. It's a little bit of a wiggle. And I don't know, not to make fun because maybe it's, I don't know, is it something medical or whatever. I just think that's just kind of part of his, how's everybody doing?

How we do it today? Is everybody good? You know, it's feeling all right. Just kind of a thing. I would be nice if they have some trades to announce in round one. Maybe it's medical. Gary, I'm sorry for this. Take it back.

Take it back. Pinda Report. This day in Flames history, kind of a Flames history, but also, you know, there and beyond. We'll get into all that. The Hanifan stuff from yesterday, it's catching. Now what it is, because we've talked, well, what, Lindholm, if you're going to pay Lindholm that much money, you've got to trade him. And with Hanifah, yeah, you're going to need more than that.

What it's really done now is it has opened the door for people to send me slash us, send trade requests what about this trade well what do you think about this trade hey do you think this trade would be any good and it's like kind of regret bringing it up oh come on this is great get interaction the people that love the show are giving you ideas yeah a lot of work it's not that it's a lot of work it's just so few of them are like or or or even yeah it's like when you go to the the message boards those trade proposals yeah for every good one there's a thousand idiotic proposals Yeah, we'll just send them our six bad players and we'll get Melk.

Yeah. So how about Hanifan and our next two seventh rounders for Connor Bedard? We'll see. Yeah. And you're too nice because you're too like, ah, it just would be like mute. I just delete and bang. I can't do this. That's good.

It's good. But I think what I do think is on social media. I think a lot of people were agreeing with our assertion yesterday that if there is going to be a Noah Haniffin deal. There is an opportunity for you to cash in. You could have a serious impact on the entire franchise moving forward with what you get back in this trip. And it's the first real fingerprints that Craig Conner is going to lay down on the roster. He's hired his coach. It sounds like they're going to follow the assistance here. Those chats are still ongoing. There's been, you know, oh, we're going to resign this guy in the H.R.

But really, this is a core piece going out. What do you bring him back in? Is he going to load up on picks here? Is he going to try to find young players? Is it going to be a bit of a mixed bag, a smorgishborg of a or does he want someone that can play? Well, that's what I mean. Like, so let's say there's a 22 year old kid that will be a top four and maybe hasn't made it made that why does it have to be a defenseman? Maybe it doesn't have to bring it a defenseman. Yeah. There's a lot of, uh, with seven UFAs, there's all kinds of permutations, isn't there, red? You can move a lot of guys. Checkers. I mean, chess, not checkers, fellas.

That's what do you mean. I'm great at both, so I get confused. Yeah, you are. And they're similar. Which are you better at. Chess, you're a chess guy. You're a chess guy. I stonked my kids.

Cerebral. I stomp my kids at chess. Didn't. At the pool. They've got the stand-up one, the big board. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You ever, because Dom, Hassick, was a big chess guy, apparently. Or fancied himself a chess guy.

You ever play with Dom? Did you ever hear about his chess prowess? Does it feel like I'm making up something? I could never saw him play chess either, so I'm not exactly sure. Yeah, maybe off-season thing. I'm really great at chess. Oh, I haven't seen you play. Offseason.

Retired. I do that in the Charles, by the Charles Bridge. I have my morning coffee and play chess every day. Do respect to you. I only play with certain caliber of players. I don't know. Are you internationally ranked? I didn't see you in the rankings.

What was that the gambit with that thing? So it on Netflix or whatever? What are the Queens gambit? Oh, yeah, that was supposed to be good. No. It was good. You watch your retro? I watch most of it, but like most things in life nowadays, I get bored with it after a while.

Yeah. So he started with the idea of doing it many things. Frittered out before you got a ton. Yeah. Yeah. What else would there be? Like what other examples of things that you were all in and then you lost? I don't know if I got.

You know, kids, family. Yeah. Life. Work. You were saying that that's a problem now is that you start all these series and you're like, oh, this is Dease. And then like your four episodes in it, eh, can't be bothered. I don't know.

I'm clearly getting old. I need reality and not reality stupid Jersey Shore stuff. I need like documentary reality based TV. Like after that, I started on three shows last night, watched half. of the first episode in my own. You know what? I find that, and as you know,

Rhett is a big reader. He's a very good reader. He reads a lot of books. I have a hard time with fiction. Yeah. Because you got to, I'm not in it. I'm not believing it,

which is, you know, whether it's true crime or like you say, documentaries or just, I kind of need it. I need to know it's real. Yeah. To get into it.

I don't need that with movies or TV. I don't know why that's. Now that you mention that, I would think of books I own, most of benign. Not that you say that, but we kind of work in that space, right? Like, we are, we love the storytelling of live sports. You can never guess the ending. Sports is the greatest.

Just the facts, please. Just the facts. I don't want any BS. Yeah, and then a cloud, a unicorn jumped out of it. Shut up. That's not real. I started watching that some show called Citadel last night on one of the Netflix or something. And I'm like, they killed eight people and pushed a guy out of a moving train.

And I'm like, well, fast forward. I wonder if they'll survive. Okay. Boy, those actors, I hope they got good stuntmen. Can you do the Lord of the Rings and that sort of stuff? I actually can, but I think, Dean, it's because I read the books when I was younger. I was, yeah. Like that whole Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings shit, I can't.

What are we doing? Did you get into the Game Thrones? No. Because that's same vibe, right? No. So, yeah, it's just old times, but there's dragons you're flying around. Oh. that was good and last season sucked it was awful the last season was so bad so good and all the

waste all the moh what a waste oh okay let's do it or do you have plans for the show today well what do you got well we might as well these dumb ass jams they drag the feet and it takes forever to get shit done let's just be done with this we're going to fix this days off like you're going to go to nashville you might as well have all the shit off your plate so you can sit at Tootseys and laugh at the other idiots that are still working. So let's do Connie's job for him. At least the first three quarters and hope we don't tuck her out, right? Yeah.

So I kind of like the idea of being at Tootsies for sure. I'm into that. The rooftop, nice weather. Music will be good. You get those Shiner box with the yellow label. Oh. Armfuls. Whatever.

So Noah Hannafant to Toronto from Neelander. and then we're going to move I don't know if we can move to Foley quite yet we're going to move Michael Backland out again for Backland picks I need well okay so this is where I need your help guys Dave Nones and Don Maloney Don Maloney

Delicious Who are we moving up front to Phil Hanifin's spot on the blue line Because we got Kneelander now up front There's a lot of effort. There's your spot. We've really, we've really, we've really created something up front. No, I don't want to throw a wrench in your plans. Just really quickly.

Nealander, exact same situation as Hannafin, a year away from UFA. That's a sudden matter. He loves Calgary's from Calgary. Fucking Calgary. Let's go. It's a dual sign. For Sweden, not too worried about that. Calgary.

Let's go. Dual sign and trade. Dual sign and trade. God bless you. And you've added to your cap. You're now spending more. We can't sign this guy. You can't sign this guy.

But let's, yeah, we'll sign them. So I don't mind that. We can revisit that, but I think we should start with something we can all agree on. Can we move a letter out for a second and just call that done? Sure. If you're getting a second, yeah, let's do it. Especially this year's draft. Deep draft.

And, you know, you don't have to use that. That second can go get you to fill a hole in that. And you already have your own second. You don't have your third. So now you got a first and two seconds. And all you did, graduated Wolf. So who are, let's go, kind of even broadened things. Who are some of the players that you're hearing around the league that are potentially available?

Because we're close now. And you hear all of these names. Oh, this guy could be on the move. And I'm not sure if this guy could be there. This whole thing. We've long heard about Travis Kinectney in Philadelphia as a guy that was tied. I know that Trilliving and the Flames were a big fan of him. I believe that was the Dougie Hamilton trade draft.

Yeah, 2050. They had a pick that they traded to Boston in the Dougie Hamilton trade. I believe so. would the head there. Well, that's your living. That's not common. No, I'm just saying that the scouting staff, the people at one point, they were high on him.

And I think that his game has been. I think you like him if you're a scout. You absolutely like where he's out. I don't think anyone in Philly's off limits. If you like Sean Couture, injuries, if you like Scott Lawton, if you like, like Phillies, they've been floating Carter Hart's name out there.

Nothing is off the table for Danny Breer. They're finally embracing that we're going to tear this down a little. Yeah. So anyone you want, call. Winnipeg's got the three guys? Well, we'll talk about Winnipeg. They got, fuck, they got a mess.

It would have been. What was I just going to say? Brett Pesci's name, oddly and interestingly, in Carolina is a guy that may be out there. I keep coming back to Martin Natchez. Marty Natchez. He was the name theoretically in the Kachuk offer. In the Kachuk thing. And just, I don't know.

Is there a chance you could maybe pry that guy out of there? I don't know that they're going to do it for a Hannafin. Hanof and was a cane already. I'm not sure do you kiss and make up there. But are there any of those, is there anybody out there in that rumor mill that you would be placing a call and saying, hey, heard a thing about your guy.

It's going to take for you and me to get a deal done today. Sandheim and Philly, former hitman. If you want to add another top four, blith tier played here. Manitoba guy. And, I mean, the thing is, is you probably should be calling all these guys. see what the prices are, but yeah, I don't know that there's, it seems like with the cap situation

whose teams are in, there's a lot of these names. Like, we're hearing a lot of names floated and the absolutely have to move them is a smaller list. And a lot of those guys are in Sannafin and some jets. So the thing about, about this though, retro is the flames are in somewhat of a cap situation where they would love to move some money in order to ice their team next year. That's why I've enlisted you and the. brilliance of Ryan to assist me in this. So yeah. It's figured out.

They're over the cap right now. We know what the cap is. Yeah. Well, we just got Chris Johnson reporting today that he's under the impression that the memorandum of understanding regarding the cap, $83.5 million, $1 million addition to the cap, which is not what a lot of people were hoping for, probably GMs and players included, that there's going to be this big jump next year. You could have easily smoothed it.

But they started trying to. to do horse trading. And I'll only do this if you give us that. So this is the issue. Then we're going to trade Noah Hannafin for picks. He's going to dump them. Well, and you can, to include him in a deal with Justin, or Justin, Jonathan Hubertu, or Nazim Kodry.

Oh, here we go. Yeah. I'm going to get rid of that. One of those and Hanifin. What else are you giving them? You're not getting anything back for that. Well, maybe it's worth. it. I mean, you're selling low on those guys. Maybe they're going to be, continue to have awful years, but you and I have a disagreement on this, and I'm probably wrong, but I just don't understand how one year with all that went on has created a situation that they're unmovable.

I think they could, in two ways I feel about it. I don't think he was as bad as he looked last year, but I also think given the term, other GMs aren't going to risk the commitment. Then why were we? He did not screaming bloody murder when Mr. Trillivings signed this guy or these guys. Because you never thought a guy could drop that much. It's the greatest dropping points in actual history. 115. What did he have for points last year? Like you were, he was 65.

Yeah, it was not good. No, no one thought that was a rational outcome. The worst case scenario you couldn't have imagined was that bad. That's why. you literally saw the ones yeah so it's it's less than half of what he had last year but if you're well i it's hard to argue it's hard to argue that you're wrong because because i hated the effing contract to begin with i thought it was a structure sucked for sure the structure sucked it was a complete overpay you gave him everything and the moon and he's getting older and even if he was right

Like anytime you ever thought that you'd want to sell that contract, get rid of that contract, it was always going to be awful. Yeah, you were stuck with him unless he was going to be a superstar the entire time. But even then the last four years were going to be tough. Yeah, the only way it was justifiable was if you won. So now that it's happened and we've seen the season and we know that it's probably a top five most difficult contract in the NHL to move, this is the situation that Connie walks into. He doesn't have the magic eraser or the receipt to return Hubert out at Home Depot.

like he's this is he has to deal with this and I don't think that you that's the summer to try to move him if you are going to try to move him even if you could possibly move him how how do you move forward with this team here's here's my take on that is you have very little choice if you're going to move huberdow I think you're going to have to have to sweeten that pot look at the monahan deal to get Montreal to take monahan for a year they had to give up a first I eight you have no other other team has to believe that there's some value with huberto right but my my point is you would be selling so low yes in the history of the stock of jonathan huberdow it's never been lower yeah it you you can only bring him back with a new coach and hopefully a get him back to the close to the player he wasn't that it's great for your team and you just keep him or b then if he gives back though But you're absorbing of the cost in that trade would be less. Maybe. You can't either way.

Like this isn't where we start fixing the flames because it's not happening. This is the problem, right? If you're not going for it now and you can't trade those guys, we're talking about five years of hell. But the thing is, though, even teams that go through a rebuilder are trying to, you're going to have one or two spots that aren't perfect. You're going to have some bad contracts, some older players, something in that mix you're going to have to deal with.

So it's as ominous as it's ever going to look right now because there's eight years left and the cap's been flat for five years. If the cap's $100 million in three years, this isn't going to feel as crazy. It's like, oh, he's only an $8 million player if it's kind of pro rate where things were. Let's see about 10 days away from that raise kicking in, right? Yeah, I think July 1. he gets his big raise from 5.9, 10 and a half.

The deal hasn't even started. And to be fair, just to go back down memory land. And look, we understand how it's played out. It's not a contract you'd ever give the guy today. Connie can't undo it. But the logic at the time,

the structure was bad. It's the only contractor livings ever done that's been bonus loaded like that. And it was because he was over a barrel. Whether he should have done or not, we can, we have hindsight now. At the time,

the reason no one yelled to the moon was because the logic was Johnny had 115 points. So did Jonathan Huberto. We'll give the Johnny contract that got turned down that no one had a problem with when you were saying Johnny 10 and a half, slide it to a guy with the same point total with a similar skill set and we move forward.

Now clearly, you made great points about it didn't fit and all that. But that's why at the time no one freaked out. You literally signed the guy that finished second in league scoring. I freaked out. You had questions about it for sure. Yes, you did. ended up anyway what we haven't discussed is that why true living left it probably was a small part of many reasons he left i think the biggest was the coach if you're true living you're looking at i don't

think that's an easy it was the coach well i just was dysfunction all year and anyone around the organization said that that those two weren't on the same page so that was frustrating you don't talk to everyone i talked to and it wasn't as one-sided as you make it out so i'm not saying it was Daryl's fault. You're paying me in there. I'm saying those two together. Everybody said it was the talk about it's Darrell. And it's like, I said the GM didn't belong to coach. That's, that's up to those two guys. I'm not assigning responsibility there. But yeah, if you're tree and you're like, I'm a free agent and there's some openings here that are nice, I don't have to pay a guy that's going to be 30 at the beginning

of an eight year contract, 10 and a half, I can slide out the door. Like, I'm with you. There's rosier setups in terms of the cap. There's a few things to play in. Let's be honest. Of course. It's the Toronto Maple Leafs. He didn't know that at the time, though, but I think he probably would have had this spidey sense out there. I think there was anyway.

Didn't finish that sentence. That's weird. What? I think that. He's twitching out. Leave him alone. It's not his fault to go. He bumped his toe.

It's not. I didn't bump me. The Dubus stuff played out afterwards, but you also understood there was a very realistic chance that Dubus wouldn't be renewed. I had heard Toronto. six months ago a while ago his anyway

people know people right there's relationships in the game and people know when GMs are lame ducks in the last year of their contract yeah and how many guys walk away from GM jobs not many not many

um so anyway um it would it would seem probably a little rosier the the Hubert O'clock contract, sure. If I don't have to have that hanging around my neck, that's a plus. Age like milk, right? If I'm not getting along with the coach, that's a plus.

Toronto, big market, probably more money. The way that team is run, that's probably a plus. Like, there's, there's a few things there that would. Anyway, back to the Huberto thing. I just, I, I hear you're at. I just, I can't imagine. The only one I can see is Montreal. is if Montreal has some good young players and they feel like this is a guy that would be in the market. It's the only one that I can see where they would potentially even think about it or look at it. And then what would you have to do keeping in mind the Monahan deal? Would it cost you to get a dumb deal to the tree did though? Well, it wasn't like you didn't go around and see what the market fair.

that's what it cost to get rid of $6 million. But how often do we say it, right? So, okay, then let's go back over the history of the management of the assets that Mr. Schulte. Maybe this is what we haven't done is, is pointed the, he made some shitty deals. Yeah, no, the Monaghan one was so that he could get Cadre in. Sorry, we got, we got, sorry, Frank. We got, sorry, Frank.

I didn't, uh, he just popped up. He just popped up. Hey, Frank. So our, uh, NHL Insider Frank Sarvelli, a presentation of Bonner. Taun Meat Market. Bon Ton opened their doors back in 1921. Since then, just first class treatment of every customer that walks through the door, their staff. The product is top-notch, AAA Alberta, Beef, Free Range Poultry, grain-fed Alberta, Lamb, 28 Crowfoot Circle, Northwest, bonton Meat Market.com is the website. And it's apropos in a way that Bon Tonin Meets is the sponsor of playoff, or now offseason Frank Cereval. because I have something here. I need you to do some splaining, Frank. This goes back to, I guess, was that Father's Day?

Yes, this was on your Sosh. It's for those that are just listening along, that is a griddle with some meat and other food items on it. Could you please describe to us what we're looking at? Well, so you see some bacon there, of course. Some thick cut bacon. And then what you see in the middle there is a New Jersey staple called pork roll. Some also call it Taylor Ham.

Not sure if you're familiar or what the closest equivalent would be. Think like Canadian bacon except way better and saltier. Oh, I thought you were going to say baloney. I thought you had some bologna going there, Frank. No, no, no, no, no. But I was going to ask you guys, can, does, I don't know what the, uh, the agricultural rules are crossing the border. Can I, can I get a, can I order a Bontan shipment or can I, can you, can you guys bring me

a cooler to Nashville? I feel like someone's going to get thrown in the slam if we do that. It's an issue. You're, uh, you know, you're, yeah, you know, but I need some Alberta AAA beef. Like that's, catch a flight, buddy. Yeah. No, I know. This riddle is brand new.

This was one of the first meals. I cooked on the griddle, fired it up over the weekend. So good. Yeah. No, I couldn't tell. I figured we're going to bring this up. We've been talking about bologna. And really it is, it's, it's, it's, it's full of bologna.

It's the meat of kings. It's the choice of champions. We're trying to bring bologna back. And I thought, man, if this is Sarah Valley down in, in Philly, down in PA, also representing some bologna, Bologna nation, then we were. going to celebrate today. So fun fact. I've never actually had any bologna at any point.

Come on. Here's, you know what you need to do? Get yourself some, go to a meat market, get some good bologna. What's some, not some shit. And then fire it. Packaged bullshit. Yeah, none of that. Go into it to a nice meat market and get them to cut you some, a decent thickness and you

throw it on that griddle of yours. So you're saying not like cold cuts, baloney. like actual real baloney. Well, it's coming off the same, the same deal, probably, right? It's going to come in a. Give me your best baloney. Yeah.

And throw it on your griddle. Is that a black stone? What is that you got there? Yeah, it's a blackstone equivalent. I went with the Trager brand. Gotcha. Okay. Very nice.

All right. Next. So when you get your Alberta, AAA beautiful beef, you got to get the Trigger, Saskatchewan seasoning. Okay. Throw it on your steaks.

Oh. So good. What's Scrapple? Isn't that a Philly thing? So Scrapple is a Philly thing and it's basically an amalgamation of all the different scraps that are left over at the end of the butchering process. The deli floor. They use like cornmeal flour to kind of like goop it all together. And it's it's in like a loaf and you can like cut it and throw it on the griddle also incredibly salty.

But like delicious. Is it more of a brick then? Yeah, so it's a brick and you just kind of cut off a slice and throw it on your griddle and fire it up, get a little crispiness to it. And the best part is you can have like a, this is going to sound like a Tommy Boy reference. You can have a hard, crispy shell and then it's nice and soft in the middle. Yeah. Richard, it's a hard candy shell.

How similar would it be to spam or in cat click? No, not very simple. similar. Like the, the idea of the brick being similar, but the internal, you know, stuff is not similar at all. Do we know what that is? Because that feels like you say collection off. Snouts and you don't want to know. It's like, I guess you didn't want to know. Yeah. It's also like absolutely terrible for you. Really? Which is why I eat it. Most things in life that are great are. It's going to say. Yeah. Most things are. As you can tell, I don't really have any self-dice.

Was it only in Philly? No, it just originates from Philly. And you can like any grocery store you would go in here, like they would sell it. So could I go down in Buffalo here and get some scrapple? Potentially. You should try it. It's a great breakfast meat. Okay.

Look how excited for retro. You got plans today now. You got shit to do all of a sudden. Research. Yeah. Man's on a mission now. It's got errands to run. So I'm just going to, I'm going to rattle some things off here because I, so in Winnipeg, Connor Hallibuck is leaving.

Dubois, he wants a shifley last year. They're done with it. Let's get it. And now potentially buying out Blake Wheeler last year. Other than that, things are going great in Old River City out there. It's, uh, there's, have we seen a more rockier situation on one team? When, like, when's the last time? They lost four D-Man and this is the same team.

A team has been this upside down. in a single off seasons with star caliber players. I've mentioned this before. I look at it in the exact opposite way as you. How upside down or wo is us. All these guys are leaving and wow, wow, I can't believe it. Last time I checked, Pierre Lou Dubois, the premier center available on the market as a young guy just turning 25.

Yeah. Number one goalie? Mark Sheifley. Yeah. Number, you know, definitely the number one goalie available in Connor Hallibuck. But pedigree and one of. the best of his generation. Hazavisina as a finalist

yet again for another one. At the top of his game and signed to a reasonable deal for next season. Mark Sheifley, coming off a 40-plus goal season at a $6 million cap hit. Tell me, you know, maybe

the biggest thorn in their side here is Blake Wheeler, quite literally from a team perspective as well. It's going to be addition by subtraction not having him back next year, whether you buy them out or eat half and trade him. Like, tell me why the Jets are in a bad spot. I'll tell you why they could rebound and be a playoff team next year.

Yeah, I guess I don't mean they're in a bad spot necessarily. It's just they. Lots of issues to do. There's a lot in one. And I guess that's, you know what, that's part of what with Shevel Day off, there's, there's so much loyalty and in some, in some people that say they don't do anything. They sit on their hands and whatever it is. that's maybe how you get here.

You saw one coach leave, the other coach torched the guys after the season was over, after the final buzzer, he crushed the guys in the room and then the guys are coming back. It's clear that they need a fix. Yeah, it's,

I'd be very curious to talk to people there, maybe off the record to find out, how long has it been this dysfunctional? Because it's out for all the public to see now, behind the scenes, how long has that room been fractured? Because the results, obviously on the ice haven't been great. I think it's years. I mean, I think it drove Paul Maurice

quite literally to the point of exhaustion and the brink of retirement. And it's a, it's a combination of a few things. If you've spent any time around Blake Wheeler, which I have, and I, he's one of my favorite guys to interview because if you ask him the right question, you're going to get a really good answer and you're going to get an honest answer. But he can also be an absolute surly prick. And he can be negative and he can be ornery to be around. And Mark Schifley can be miserable. And you have two guys that are highly talented like that that have been there, want to experience success, feel like at some point they've been underpaid and have a lot of frustration to take out on the group. And it's been a taxing situation.

And this team needed to turn over the page and they needed to do it last summer. And they acknowledged that they needed to do it because they ripped the sea off of his jersey. But they weren't willing to actually step up and solve the problem. And I think it's a big reason why their season sort of swirled down the drain. They were in first place in the Central Division in late January and didn't make the playoffs. Or made the playoffs but lost in the first round, excuse. me. So, I mean, they needed to make changes new it and didn't do it. And now we're kind of forced to a year later with a bunch of other guys making decisions based off of those decisions. And to be fair,

with Wheeler, it's one year left now. The buyout's much more attractive than it would have been last year. And do you think they can move him if they ate half? Or is this have to be a buyout at this point? No, I think there has been some trade interest. I think the expectation is that the Jets would have to eat half because teams know that they're in a spot. Look, it's either if you don't eat half, we're going to, you're going to have to buy him out and he's going to be on your books for two years. And you're going to have to pay slightly more money to do it that way. I see some interest in Blake Wheeler because he still puts up 60 points-ish,

55 points. He's a big body that's a power forward that plays the right side, that at four and a half, you know, four million bucks is still a pretty decent guy to plug into your lineup. Maybe the sort of last piece

that a team that's in the contender mode would like to add to their team to try and push them over the top. And maybe you also see a better Blake Wheeler somewhere else, new challenges, new perspective. I think he's one of those guys that takes care of himself real well

that, you know, at his age can still be a productive. productive player. Does this affect the flames? If the flames are deciding. I see comparables if the flames are deciding to try and move guys. Does it affect the flames? Well,

flush that a little more. If they decide they're going to move Lindholm, we can't sign them. Right. And Winnipeg's got Shifley and Dubois out there already as guys that want to move. that does it water down the market? Can you demand less? No, I don't think so just because I think the caliber of player that that Lindholm is.

He's going to have a unique market, not to himself, like all the other teams that are into, you know, getting a center and adding them to the mix. Like there's all sorts of different tiers to this. And part of it also depends on a stylistic fit. Like Lindholm being the complete player, shyfully has. like some you know some elements to that someone that has like a really high hockey IQ and dubois has more of the power forward side to him um as a center that's really kind of just growing into his body and i think can actually do a bit more than what he's put up in winnipeg um and then like the next tier down you've got you know the kevin hayes and that group that are that are also available um

I think part of where it affects the flames, if at all, is just in tax bracket. Like if you're also slotting these guys out by the amount of money that they're going to make on their next deal, I think Lindholm is sort of in a tier of his own. And then the next group down is Dubois. And then after that, it's the guys that are being retained. What is Mark Schifley? Because you hear it, it's funny with, I think we maybe talk to you about it. you have Dubois and the thing about him is you love it you love the way he plays a lot of the time

but then sometimes it's like his give a shit meter is kind of broken whereas on the other side it feels like sometimes Shifley is so wound up and intense and like you say hockey IQ this guy is all about hockey that he's too much for some of his teammates that it's like oh dude we just we need you to just dial it back a little bit but here again you're talking about how we always talk about especially here how hard it is to get a center a number one center. Is this an off season where Dubois, Shifley, potentially Lindholm, there's some real centermen out there all of a sudden. Is Shifley a potential, is he a number one across the league or what is he? I don't think he, you know, I think he's in that,

we talked about this last week, the idea of Lindholm, you know, there's maybe like 12 centers in the league that you say, okay, they're number one centers and you don't even have to think about it. Like you hear the name and you just nod and move on. And so once you get past like 12 and 13, there's sort of this next group of guys that are right on the edge and the cusp of that. I think it's like, you know, Lindholm and Larkin and Bo Horvad and that group. And then Mark Scheifle is somewhere in that. And it's hard to kind of discount what he's done because he's still just at 30 years old.

and still someone that, you know, again, scored 40 goals last season, a career high, that, you know, I want to make sure that you're not leaving out. So I agree. I think he's in that number one center category. However many you think there are 17, 18, 20 of them in the entire league. It probably doesn't go much beyond that. But I think he's in that conversation and right there sort of in the back half of the teens, if that makes any sense.

Sure. Yeah. Okay, so Winnipeg we've talked about. They've got an opportunity to reload. We know there's seven UFAs for the flames. Just give us the latest on what you're hearing about them because clearly the biggest two in terms of value and decisions are the youngest of the bunch in terms of Lindholm and Hannafin

and guys that are going to be able to dictate Max term on their new deals. But the group as a whole, any rumors out there or what's hot, what's not? I think Craig Conroy has been working feverishly on this. I think the last sort of update that I got was that a lot of this is in the hands of the player and the agent. And I think that's really the most uncomfortable position for the flames to be in, is that they're not really the ones making the decision here. They want to resign these players.

They want to spend the money. They want to have them in Calgary. And they haven't gotten an answer. at least that I know of yet, that's definitive from Lindholm, from Hanifin that says, yes, I definitely want to be back. That, you know, Lindholm, I believe, was meeting with his agent over the weekend and was supposed to provide some sort of clarity or answer to the flames. I don't think they've gotten that yet.

But I think generally league-wide, talking to managers around the league, the speculation is that both Lindholm and Hanifin are not going to be signing with the flames on July 1 in extension and have not given, you know, it's not no, but there's no indication so far that it's yes, and let's talk and let's work through the numbers and that. It's more of like an I don't know and the flames are going to have to interpret that for what they will. And if you take Craig Conroy, and I think this is kind of one of the dangers of, the spot that he, you know, has worked himself into with what he said at his opening press

conference about asset management and not going through next season, you know, with guys that are pending free agents that might walk for nothing is he sort of created this expectation now that if they're not signed or don't plan to sign, that he's trading them. And I, we could talk forever about whether that's prudent or not. but he's created this expectation that if it is a no or it's a maybe and it's and I don't know that they have to move on and then then what to now turn around and pull the trigger is a different thing just to clarify really quick some of the reporting around Hannafin suggests that he won't resign that's too strong for your liking no it's not too strong I think it's more or less just

been I don't know like you know I want to keep talking and and it's it's they don't it's not that they dislike the situation in calgary it's just that they don't really know exactly what it's hard to project what the market's going to be like one year from now because you're looking at all the other guys that are available in your same class and then right now you're looking at the teams that might be interested you in this moment in time and then can i resign there do they have the cap space do they want to resign me there's a whole lot of things to work through that isn't as simple as saying like I'm a UFA in 11 days or nine days, and I know exactly what the market looks like.

The big jump that everyone is expecting for the salary cap at a year's time, is that potentially holding things up or are all teams and all agents and players under the assumption? We know it's going to be big, so we're just kind of all in that ballpark of what we expect it's going to be. Yeah, everyone expects it to be big. I think everyone, we sort of got some clarity or reporting today. from Chris Johnson who says he believes the cap is going to be at $83.5 million next year.

I don't have any confirmation on that. I checked in with three NHL GMs in the last hour who have all said that they have zero direction in any formal way from the NHL. There has even been a hint. There's been no memo or anything like that that's gone out that says, yes, the cap is definitely going to be at 83.5 next season. But because we know that that debt is going to be paid off

and next season goes back to being linked to revenue, you're looking at $90 million plus dollars next season that the cap is going to be at. That is, you know, with what a lot of teams are looking at, it's not only going to alleviate a lot of problems and pressure points, but it's also going to create this windfall of cash that you might see teams start to spend now, knowing as my mic just fell off my desk,

that as my mic fell off my desk, that as my mic fell, that they might go out and spend some of that now. Yeah. And again, we're into the whole predicting what the cap's going to be. That's been a tough game the last three years. We thought this IU was going to be paid off. And for these UFAs, if you're advising them, let's wait and see. Like, what's the rush here?

You're in the driver's seat. You've got leverage. Why would I give you an answer now? That's good for the flames. It ain't good for my camp. Well, that's kind of like it's goes to a number of different players that are up a year from now that are all having that same discussion. And like Austin Matthews is sitting here going, well, I know what the cap is right now,

but I don't know what it's going to be a year from now. And that might mean even more money. So maybe I just wait until the very last possible moment, even if I'm going to be resigning with the team that I'm already playing for, I want the details. I want the clarity. I want to know. Can you put into your contract, I want 15% of the cap? No.

No. Yeah, that would be one way to solve for sure, though, wouldn't it, right? It's like wherever the cap is, I'm getting a percentage of it. But they have to lock in a AV. It's like a number you're stuck with. And if you're going long term, you're marrying someone for eight years. You'd hate to leave an extra, you know, oh, the cap is $5 million higher. I could have got another 5% of that for all eight of those years.

Shit, that's a lot of money at the end of it. Yeah. And by the way, Pinder, I just wanted to say I didn't want anyone to think that I was being wishy-washy with my answer on where things stand with Lindholm and with Hannathan. this is the information as I know it that everyone thinks the answer is no. Yeah. But the flames I don't, at least I believe have not gotten a formal no from these guys. So I just want to be clear about how I'm framing all this.

No, that's good. And in a lot of markets, that's, of course, that's understandable. Whereas here, it's going to, it's going to rub a little differently because of what happened with Goddrae and you saw the Kachuk, like that whole thing in Calgary when you, and especially when Conroy came out and kind of more or less, said, we can't let that happen again where we go into a season, lame duck with some players and then have them leave. It's very understandable. He's got seven UFAs, but the two that you can't have uncertainty on are the guys that are going to the franchise pillars, the guys in their 20s

right now. Like that's the guys they're going to dictate huge dollars in max term. That's a tough spot. If those guys can come to terms or come back next year and they play, Frank, what do you do you do you what kind of turnaround are the flames a playoff team and are they a go deep team or what do you see with the lineup the way it's kind of structured right now for the flames if they just stand pat it's such a wild question to answer because i don't like no one saw the panthers going on this run and and even the golden nights everyone was kind of like good team but like are they really, you know, the class of the NHL, does anyone think that this team's really

hoisting the Stanley Cup? Like, they weren't a popular pre-playoffs pick of this team's going all the way. And that ended up being our final. I think if this, if what the flames have right now on paper came back next season, you know, regardless of extension

or not, and you know what, Craig Conroy said, you know, I can't find the proper return for Lindholm. And I don't know what's going to happen with Hanifin, but damn that contract under five million bucks a year is serious surplus value for us and we're gonna like i think the devil's advocate to all of this is what is the harm in having a player play the final year of his deal that you sign this contract it has an end date what's the harm in getting to the end date and then just shaking the guy's hand and say thanks for your service i appreciate it

we're going to let you walk. Because I think the alternative to that, on one hand, is you end up with a player that you have locked up for too many years at an AAB that makes you just slightly uncomfortable. And that's on the positive end of it. And on the other end of it is you end up trading a guy for just go back, you know, one year's time to the situation that the flames were in getting Huberto and Weeger, that they then felt beholden to re-sign those. guys to contracts that you now feel slightly uncomfortable with. So I don't think there's a perfect

scenario, but I do think that there's something to the idea that I think one team that's been an absolute leader in this category of this sort of fish or cut bait is the Carolina Hurricanes. Some guys, they're like, yeah, this is great. This contract is a serious bargain. We're going to have it play out and then we're going to move him and other guys they've been like hey we know a year ahead of time that there is zero chance that we're going to be able to we have interest in paying this guy market value he gone i get i get it i just i think so many times teams are focused on you know what they're losing as opposed to you know this is sort of the opposite end of view which is look at the amazing opportunity that we have now to go spend

the money that we would have had to pay Lindholm. And yeah, it's hard to replace a 1C. But I just think the idea of like, oh, you have to do this. This is the playbook. This is what asset management says. Like maybe you get to a year from now playing out. And I think to answer your question, I think the flames are a playoff team. And then you roll the dice and you figure out what happens after that.

But just to play devil's advocate, what happens if you get through this next year with all those guys under contract? and you say, we lost in the first round again. We made the playoffs and that was great. But like, we got to shake it up. We got to change the DNA of this team. We've got to do something different. And if you had resigned all of them, you're like, holy smokes, like we can't go anywhere. We're handcuffed.

Yeah. It's a tough spot because, again, you're right into the scar tissue of Johnny leaving for nothing. And Craig comes up and says, I can't go into the season with seven UFAs. And oh, my gosh, like Lindholm leaves for nothing. Yes, it was a great value deal. But how in the world are you competitive without him? Your top center is a 34-year-old. You're trying with you're tied to the guys you want to be tied to and not the guys.

Like if they fail again, you're going to really be looking at the hero and and Codry deals and going, geez, these are the ones that are handcuffing us because you would have signed a Hanifan and a Lindholman. You'd rather pay that. Anyway, I agree with you. I love how Carolina does business. I just wonder how you see your way through this because back to those two contracts I just mentioned.

To me, if the team doesn't do well, I don't know. And maybe this is a question for you. Can say you go through the year this year's status quo, Lindholm and Hannafin walk or you trade them or whatever happens, and you do make the playoffs, you do lose in the first round, but you're not happy with it. Are Cadre and Hubertow guys that you can ride

or keep around long term and bring in a youth movement? I think so. And not only that, it doesn't really matter what I think. reality is they're not going anywhere. Yeah. They're locked in. So you know it.

It's almost like no sense even asking about it or crying about it because you know that those guys are there. And for better. So do you plan for five years out instead of two? Well, and that's kind of, I think, part of the excitement of if, you know, if you get to a spot where those guys, you have to trade Lindholm, you have to trade Hanifin. first off, what can you get back in return that helps you for the future? And then what can you get, if you take future assets, what can you leverage into help for right now to aid in the Jonathan Huberto and Weger and Cadre, you know, progression in Calgary? Because those are the foundational, or at least those, because those contracts were signed, they are the foundational pieces like it, love and hate it. of this team for the foreseeable future

that you have to make it work. And you're even with those guys, if you wanted to go towards a youth movement, you're never really going to be able to bottom out anyway. So you might as well try and be as competitive as possible during this stretch to really kind of do what the flames have always done, which is try and hang in there as best they can. And just kind of the lot, and then we can move on.

I guess just in your opinion, if a Haniff and deal is to take place, do you feel like it would have to be a sign and trade or not be a sign and trade like what we saw with Kachuk? Because you would think for the flames, they would love it to be that way. Get more. Because in theory, you would get more. I don't know if that changes Craig Conroy's thinking. If you can't, if it's just a trade of a player with one year left and you take what you can get.

What's your read on that, if any? Well, I mean, the other alternative would be that you just allow Noah Hanofin to talk to that team ahead of time. And yeah, you might lose out on the eighth year for the team. But you'd at least be able to have him dictate and signal to the team. Yes, this is a place not only that I want to go, but this is a place that I'm willing and interested in signing an extension. And they could even talk parameters of what that would look like to then sign on July 1. I mean, that's another road to go down to maybe extract a little bit more leverage and a slightly better return for your team.

but I don't think it has to be that way. I think just the idea alone, like if you're, again, you're thinking outside the box, the idea alone of having a Hannafin or a Lindholm play for your team for next season and contribute at that level with the salary cap hit that they're at, like if I'm a contending team in a flat cap world, it's intoxicating to me. I want that. and whatever happens after that, so be it. Man, you imagine you get to the deadline,

you meet half that and you're selling the number one center for the two and a half million bucks. We saw what Vancouver did with Oliver Ekman-Larsen. Obviously, they got a lot of dead cap money for a long, long time. I guess just to spin it for the player, Oliver Ekman-Larsen, what's the market for him? What has he got left in his game? is there potential all of a sudden maybe there's a deal to be had in the team that gets Oliver Ekman-Lars.

Well, there definitely is a deal to be had. I think, you know, to me, I always viewed Oliver Ekman-Larsen, and you didn't see this in Vancouver, but I viewed him as one of the better skaters in the league that has upside. And I don't know what's happened to him. I don't know how much of his situation changed since his mom passed away. It almost kind of seemed like he didn't have that much interest in playing hockey anymore. And I don't know if this is a sort of kicking the pants and opportunity to, you know, maybe rebound and rejuvenate and rebuild your career.

Or if he just is one of those guys that's like, yeah, I'll give it a shot somewhere. But I signed for 66 million bucks. I'm getting 55 of it. You know, I'm in a great spot in life and whatever happens happens. I think for a team that is looking for, you know, someone to sign on their blue line. And I mentioned Florida as an example yesterday. They have both Aaron Eckblad and Brandon Montor out well into next season. So not going to be there on opening night.

Could be missing months after that. Two big pieces of their blue line that you then also have to account for them coming back on your cap. So you can't go out and spend their money. Ekblad or sorry, Ekman Larson and Matt Dumbah and John Klingberg, guys that I think are candidates to really go out and take a little bit less now on a one-year deal, you know, million and a half, two million bucks,

come in and prove it. And we were just talking about the cap going to north of 90. Go in and have a banana season and cash in next year. And Ekman Larson's already double-dipping anyway. There's no risk. I mean, you've got a chance to reboot your career and one more year in a flat cap world. You've got contender type teams that are hungry to add you. I'm someone that always, you know, I'm like, I want to bet on myself as many times as possible.

Yeah, security is great. And it'd be awesome to get, you know, a four times four deal if you're, you know, Klingberg or someone to recoup some of the money that you left on the table in Dallas. but I just like to bet on myself, have a monster year and cash in later. Doesn't it feel like to move Tampa's been making for five years? They bring in a guy you think's washed up in the blue line. He plays third pair.

And it's like, yeah, he's not dead. It's interesting. It's the right role winning team, not asking them to do too much. This might be a rare year where you might not be looking for a two or three year deal. You might get some players on a real bargain. Gavikov signed a two year just to do that, didn't he? On a one year deal, you might get some guys potentially UFA is at a real deal just so they can be a UFA again.

And like you say, I'm going to bet on myself. I'm going to go in to play my balls off and be UFA again next year. Look at Patrick Kane had hip resurfacing surgery where they grind down the joint and basically put a new hip together. It's as close as you can get to a hip transplant without having one. And he's going to sign somewhere in November, December, whenever it's going to be with a contending team for no money. One year.

One year. Jump back in. to jump back in, have probably play pretty well knowing it's Patrick Kane, and he thinks that this idea of the surgery is going to totally allow him to get back to the level he used to be at, but still needs to prove that. But then to cash in potentially one year from now, like, it's crazy. Yeah. DailyFaceoff.com, you've got your trade board up there.

You've got, obviously, top 25 UFAs too. Winnipeg, Winnipeg guys. Top 50 UFAs, top 40 guys on the trade board. and Stephen Ellis has his top 150 draft rankings today as well. Yeah. So it's an interesting read to go through and just whatever fan of, whatever team you're a fan of, you start to kind of dream of all this UFA.

By next week, you trade for this guy. Anything, you know what I'm dreaming of? Bologna. A little bontan meats. Yeah, there you go. I guess just quick hitters. Anything on De Brinket that's new? No.

Look, they gain back a little leverage in Ottawa knowing that they're going the ARB route. They're talking trade. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that they just kind of strong arm him into coming back for one year. I don't think it's a likely path, but it's a greater than zero chance that they say, you know what? You're our property for one more season. We're taking you to ARP. You're going to be a well-paid guy.

at the very least you're looking at the high sevens on a one-year deal and you're going to have to eat it. Yeah. And one of the, you didn't, it wasn't a player, but you had the St. Louis Blues with some draft capital. Is that something to keep an eye on? It is. And 25 and 29 overall, I can tell you, you can write it down in a sharpie. Doug Armstrong is not going to the podium three times on what next Wednesday night in Nashville. 10, don't they?

Like 10 and then those two later. 10, 25 and 29. He's not going to the podium three times. So he's trading those, you know, those latter first round picks for something. I'm told that the St. Louis Blues had engaged the Philadelphia Flyers on Scott Lawton. I believe they dangled one of those first round picks to try and get him three years left at three million bucks. I think they're involved in a whole bunch of different things is they're also trying to trade some of the defenseman that they have.

Yeah. Three first rounders. It's rarely, it rarely works out, right? When you have that many picks, what was it with Edmondson? When they had Sam Gagne and then they took Alex Plunt and Riley Nash and then Boston

had those three. Three in a row. They hit on. Debrusk they hit. They missed on Sinishin and Zaboril. Yeah. If I'm correct. And then the three after were Connor,

Eilers and Shabbat. Yeah. Not ideal. So you can really, you can really hit. It doesn't seem to. happen very often. Coyotes are at 6 and 12, too.

And what are, I mean, what's happening there? Well, they're going to be picking at 6 and 12. I can tell you that. That's the plan. They're changing their approach. I know they're in the central division now, so maybe not as much of an issue for the flames. And maybe you could say the coyotes just aren't generally an issue at all for anyone.

But they're trying to be more competitive next year. So no longer a dumping ground for contracts. They're going to be trading for players. They're going to be trying to sign players. They're trying to convince Logan Coley to leave school and come play for them next season. They want to inject some life into their market and try and, you know, generate a little buzz. I would suggest that it's a deviation from the rebuild route that they've been on. They say that this has always been part of the plan.

But the point being, the coyotes are going to try and do things differently this summer. young and cheap that's that's the dream well we're going to be keeping our eyes peeled for a lot of frank bombs yeah it's the week of frank bombs we need some frank bombs for sure to be coming our way i'm uh i'm trying it's it's been a little bit quiet like scary quiet and um i don't know i can't make the news i can only report on what i got that's the tough part walk us through your next week we're we're gonna see you in nashville i know so what's and then it's it's a crazy time obviously with free agency not long after. It's a crazy, crazy next 10 days to July 1st.

Sunday, go to Nashville, Monday, NHL Awards. Tuesday, used to be the GM meetings not happening. That's when you guys arrive and the party begins. Oh, yeah. And then Wednesday, round one. Thursday, I'm out in Nashville and prepping for free agency. Perfect. Thanks, Frank.

We look forward to sitting down with you next week with any luck and doing it from Nashville. Sounds good. Perhaps one of our shows Cocktail in hand. Maybe. And maybe below you in the other. Week since we did a show like that. There you go. Thanks, Frank. Good to talk to you, buddy. See you guys. Frank Cerravelli, R&HL Insider for Bontan Meets.

Bonton Meat Market. 28 Crowfoot Circle, Northwest. Just go and visit. You will leave with something glorious and you'll be better for it. Brett, how are we doing that? Did we lose you halfway through? Yeah. No, I was listening to Frank's take on it all.

I tried to be, makes a lot of sense. He's kind of on the same page of you and a lot of that stuff. Like, yeah, I think the greatest challenge with all this is just what are Connie's marching orders? I think it's really easy to say, let's rebuild.

I think we'd all do it. And even if it's not a marching order, what do you do if you've got Codry and Huberto? Like, you're not going to go. Like, in a way, it's like, well, you've, you've committed to going for.

Let's say you're three years down the road. If you're rebuilding, it's not two years. Like you need to give yourself some time. The cap's over $100 million, $17 million tied up in two guys is not going to sink your battleship. It's not great use of the cap, but you've got 83% of that cap left. Know what I mean? And that's basically what you were doing cod. You're making stocks, but you can survive it.

You can survive it. It's just that you're going to have three years of misery, I think. And if you're rebuilding misery means higher picks, maybe? I don't know. But like Bob's been a 10 million guy for four or five years. And it's like you survived that. He was a shitty goalie for four or five years at 10 million bucks. And they weren't a bad team.

It sucks that you wasted some cap. You just have to be really smart around that, right? And like when you say misery, they miss the playoffs this year. By one point. Like I just, I don't know. I just, I just, but what it is is I just, if you, if you're going to rebuild and you're going to be young, boy, you're going to be bad. Well, it's not like you've been going to round three and round four here for years. and years and suddenly it's going to be a huge sock to your system you're going to have some

guys still here i don't think you're going to be a horrible team you may miss the playoffs but what's the friggin difference at least you're i you know the problem for me is i'm very jaded because i was jaded about the con taking it personally i didn't like the contracts to begin with so i've got this shitty attitude towards them so and then it didn't work out i'm like say and they were big parts of the problem last year to be fair weren't they yeah there well there's a thing Their lack of success was a huge part of the problem. Yeah. There was no part of any of that.

Well, remember, we looked at the cadre numbers, and we just had it in our heads that it was such an awful failure for everybody. Terrible, right? I mean, there's other things. It was an all-star. Right? There's other things. I guess it's not the worst thing in the world. And it's like, Jesus, could your, could your power play be 5% better?

Could you get a few more saves? Absolutely on both accounts you could. And it's like they had one more point than fucking Florida. That's why this is such a weird spot. They're stuck in that muck. middle where it's like, I don't know if I can believe your contender. And even if you were going to start selling parts, you're not bad enough to start

drafting the top five where you really get like franchise altering players. No. And again, you're a weird mushy middle. You're another year into it. You're like, wow, damn it. But now you're talking about guys that may, Frank's trying to pump the brakes on that a little bit, but two your top guys might want out. Right? Or just aren't willing to commit.

And I guess I would understand if Linowman and Hanifin aren't saying, I'm not going to sign anything this summer because I just don't know because fuck we don't know about this team to me that's the thing we you put yourself in Craig Conroy's shoes or whatever put yourself in Noah Hanifin's shoes yeah I don't know what I want to do I don't know what the cap is I don't know if we're good or not I and probably and probably and probably knows what he wants in a contract though not very many guys sorry to step on you there Dean but there's not very many guys in the NHL Austin Matthews would be one Connor would be one that can go I need a piece I need a piece I need a

percentage of the overall. Like, I'm telling you right now, if that, I've got to believe that Noah

Haniffin has a number and I had a number in my head. It was my dream contract. Noah Hannifin has one. Yeah. What I agree to me?

I know from personal experience. You can't tell me he doesn't. I think I believe your instance, I just think it's a really unique year where it's super flat for four or five years here. That's not how big this jump is. That's not the thing.

You're taking signs. and it's construed and and messing it up i'm saying personally he has a number in his head that's his dream contract and if it's if he can sign it i would be surprised of maybe it's more than the flames want to pay and maybe he doesn't want to sign it here but there's a contract out there that makes him go he's not going he's not looking at well look you know his agents and well the cap's going to go up, it's going to be easier to get that number, but that number is not he's not going from, oh, I

always wanted to be a six million. I always thought if I could get six million to, well, I need to get 10. There's a number in his head that he knows what he's worth. For you, was it somebody else that had signed a contract similar? Well, my old line. I feel like that's always kind of part of it too, right, where you see somebody's, well, I'm as good or better than him.

So that's, that's. Yeah, it was. there was a number. I was like, yeah. So anyway, it's a, all I was saying with Hannafin, it was less about the dough, I just, because at some point you think about your lifestyle, because you're right, I think the money's going to be there, more or less. You take tax implications and that in, but it's like, do you want to sign here?

I don't know. I don't, I don't hate Calgary, but it's not home. I don't know. And I don't know what are we doing here? If I knew today, pick between Calgary and Team X and Team Washington. and Team Z. Well, now I can probably give you, but I could be, am I a year away from that? Do I have to make that decision before next Wednesday? I get it. They got the leverage, man. They don't have to do shit. It's absolutely in their right to just wait and let Connie sweat. And that's, it's a shitty spot he walks into because I don't think many agents are going to say, we got to get a decision this summer.

They're going to say, we want to be making good decisions. The better decisions you make are ones with more information. Let's get full information, get closer to UFA. You can always you sign in Calgary here. Yeah, I don't think they're all, I also don't think they're saying, you know what, Craig's new. We should probably, you know, no deals. Let's help him out. Let's just make a decision. So, so he's got one less thing.

No, it's like, oh, Craig said he wants to deal with this. So we should probably help him make our decision. My job is to maximize your earnings. And I think it's in our best interest to take our time on this. There's too many unknowns in the next year. I mean, what if Boston's interested in Noah Hanofin? Is Boston good in a year? I'd want to wait on that.

You know, are you, if I'm Noah Hanavan, I like to know if Elias Lindholm's here. I don't know that right now. Like, what does this team look like? Are they halfway, you want to retire? Yeah. Because Noah Hanifan signs that next deal, that's, he might get one more. He might get one.

At Linholm, for sure, that's the last deal, right? It's 30 to 37. That's your max contract. I have another question just about one of the free agents. I'll get to it here in a minute, but I want to tell you about the Grey Eagle resort at events center, specifically the event center. We were talking with Sheldon the other day about, and I guess it was a while ago, but just with COVID and everything, it just took so long. Concerts were done, comedians, just everything was done. And then it was a few months ago, it was like, everybody is back in the road.

Everyone is out there. And he has been a busy dude. we've told you in the past about the events. They rolled out, I believe it was yesterday. They rolled out three upcoming concerts that are going to be over at the Grey Eagle. The first one is the most recent. No, the first one is, well, I'll talk about that one. That's the glorious sons.

These guys are awesome, Canadian band. That's in November, November 18th at the Grey Eagle Events Center. Now there's a pre-sale tomorrow. 10 a.m. The code for the presale is TGS. The glorious. I'm guessing that's what it is. So if you go in for the presale,

that's the code you're going to need, TGS. So that was one of them that came out yesterday. We'll take a look at another one that came out yesterday. I'll wait for it to pop up and then I'll just react to it. Oh, CZ Tom. Come on. Rock Legends Z-Z-Top are rolling through October 11th. Oh, how, how, how, June 21 is the pre-sale.

So that's today. Black Top. Ends tomorrow at 10 p.m. The code for presale there is Lovin. L-O-V-I-N. Lovin. As in, I'm guessing, give me all your lovin. McLevin?

All your hugs and kisses, too. So a little Zizi top, the raw whiskey tour, October 11th, and then the other, which blew some wind up your skirt. I'm excited about this. Portugal, the man. With special guests, Good Kid. Wednesday, November 8th, the presale is also starting tomorrow for that one. The code, and I don't know what the, you can see the other two, the tie is. The code word for the pre-sale is Tank Dog.

Tank dog. Is that our boy there? Look at it. It might be. He looks like a dog with a tank. He's got a tank. So there you go. It's tank dog.

For Portugal, the man, that pre-sale goes tomorrow for that show coming up in November. Go and check out their website, Great Yule Resort and Casino. Something for everyone out there. There you go. Who's Colin? Who's Colin while we're doing it? Who doesn't know that I'm very busy at this time? Anyway, so that's what's going on.

Check out the, as I say, check out the website because there are other shows moving on. They got the big bull busting coming up. I know. Very excited about that. I wonder how long that takes because they have to. We're going to a bunch of dirt, all those fences. It's a dirt. Bleachers.

And you have to. Safety. Pends. And for everybody. How long does it take the haul, all that dirt in? God almighty. So they got a lot going on over at the Griegle. Do check out the website.

Yeah, man. We'll get to the Pinder report in a moment. This was a question I was going to ask. And it's just kind of out of the way. of the blue, but I know by the time we get next week's busy and everything else. Michael Backlin, going into the last year of his deal,

is he going to sign this whole thing? Guys in the room have talked about him being the captain. It seems like he's made it known that he wants to be the captain. And you hear, I heard Elliot kind of talking about it with contract negotiations, how's it going, he likes Calgary, you know,

he really wants to be the captain. Could be a career guy, career for him potentially. You can't have the captaincy as part of contract negotiations, can you? If you think he's your captain, you can. But if it's, only time I can think of it happening was when Roberto Luongo was working on an extension in Vancouver. And he was a top of the market goalie. They made him a captain for one year. And we know goalies can't be captains.

They already get too much blame or too much credit when things go right or wrong. And then they moved it. after, but it seemed to be lubricant to get a deal done. I guess for you. Very different scenario than a third line center that's 35. We've talked a lot about captaincy and especially with this team that seems like it's been a little rudderless at times. And then we heard from both Huska and Conroy the importance in having a captain and they

will have a captain, but you can't, right? I don't think it should be, but. The only way. Sorry. Well, I'm just repeating what I always say. The captain is not. It's an earned title, right? And I'm not saying Michael has or hasn't.

But if he's getting the captaincy because of it helps smooth out the contract negotiations, I don't think that's the optimal situation. Right. And the one situation, I'll say it's okay. If you know this guy is your captain, like we're going to have one and he's the guy and he already's running the room and whether people outside of the room know it or not, this is their leader. Now you can take that and be like, Michael, let's make it a dual press conference.

It's a one-year extension below market that helps the team and you're the captain. The issue I have, and again, people are, it's not a shot again. If he was your effing captain, why hasn't he been your captain since Giordano left? Well, Darrell didn't want one. That was pretty clear. You don't know that. Daryl didn't want one of those guys. I mean, I would just compare what Daryl said about the caps.

He's up versus Husk. It's a very different take. That's all. If he wanted the captain, they might not have had one or he didn't want. care about the coach's decisions either way. Because I think Darrell would have gladly given somebody a C if they had earned it. And now Husk is giving somebody a C because he feels like he has to. Those are both wrong reasons or whatever.

But in all of this, if Michael Beckland was your captain, it should be glaringly obvious. There was no question who the captain was going to be when, Jerome got to see, even though Craig gave it up. There was no question who was going to be the captain. That was so long ago, right? When Jill got it? Because was he not co-captons with Todd Simpson or something? And then Simpson left and he took over sole captaincy.

Like it was a- Lowellie. He took it from Lowry. Is that what it was? Yeah. So, I mean, it's- Lowry had issues with Gilbert and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But again, it all goes back to, for me, you most,

McDavid's the captain because she was going to be the superstar. There's a lot Yeah, right? There's certain guys that get to be kept, but usually by the age of 34, with a vacant, when you were an assistant for years prior to the captain's,

what's the word of what it became an open or available? Like leading up to geo leading, leaving, Backland was an assistant. If he was captain, material, I feel like, well, there's a natural,

next stage or next step or, you know, and now I feel like at the age of 34, it's, I think it's fine. If he's your guy, he's your guy. If he is the guy, he is the guy. I just think at 34, well, you're going to be back at this again in two years. He, yeah, it's exactly that for sure. If it happens that way, it's, it's a guy that's buying time for the next real leader. And maybe his habits or is such that that is a good spot and maybe his relation with Husk is phenomenal. Like we're really into the wild speculation category because Huska knows is better than anyone. He was in that room the last five years. And if he was leery about not being a candidate, it's odd saying that we, and he was very firm and not quibbling about it.

I just don't want to be a putz about it. And I don't know why I'm so opinionated on it, but it's the guys in the room that should effing pick. Not the coach. No, and I'm just saying, like, Ryan would see that dynamic of, was something missing last year or is there a natural? Yeah, not to say he wouldn't agree with the players if the players had a choice, but I did think it was interesting that he said, yeah, Craig and I will sit down and we'll talk about it and we will have a captain. I've not played, but I do think that that should be something that the guys. Because you can put a C on whoever. Sure.

And then if the guys are like, so he's our captain, then you may as well not have a captain. And we don't know. Maybe Huska and Conroy are meeting to say the team's voting, here's the date of the vote. Like we don't know the process. We know that they both want a captain and they saw that as an issue not having one the last couple of years. He kind of said in our sit down, though, didn't he and Conroy were going to sit down to pick a captain? I don't recall him saying pick one, but certainly they'd agree that this has to get done. Anyway. I think you certainly have to consult your leadership group, but you don't anoint. He's the only guy with an A.

I'm looking at the cap friendly. He's the only guy that they have listed. Well, I'm trying to think who else. Yeah, and honestly, I would put Weiger in the group. We've mentioned Noah Hanifan. I think Chris Tannov's a immensely respected. We don't get to pick because we don't know shit about the group. But those guys would, if you talk to that group,

you'd hope there'd be consensus if they're going to give a captain. I would think that's right. With the whole thing, it's one of the you hope, pluses about Huska having the job is that he's been close to it and can appreciate what's gone wrong aside from the on ice stuff, some of that too, but is able to maybe address and fix some of it. So he would probably have a pretty good indicator. Yeah. This guy's a leader and should be the captain and that the room would hopefully agree with him. Let's do the Pinder report.

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I'll be ready for this. I just thought drown you. I thought if I was going to kill you, it had been years ago. Really? I've got to crank this up, eh? We'll start with Mitch Love, making his rounds around the NHL interviewing for assistance position. Here's Darren Dregor, the insider from TSN,

saying, I was circling back to Calgary to talk about joining Ryan Huska's staff. Assistant coach, head coach, and the HL. Those are kind of the options I imagine he's looking at. It was not the best of timing for him as all of the NHL head coaching vacancies. poof were gone by the time the Ryan Huska decision was done, assuming that Babcock does end up in Columbus once his contract is completed in Toronto at the end of the month. And you would think at the same time, if any of those teams were going to seriously consider him, they would have reached out, I would guess, right?

So the question is what positions him best for success moving forward, getting to the NHL level where we heard in the interview process from Craig, being around the league is very important, or continuing to run a championship caliber program, in the America. The championship may be strong. First place in the regular season in a 32 team league, back-to-back coach of the year. Really, really good teams. So we'll see what happens on that front.

That's the only flames news. Rett's going to like. We'll save the other for the end. And we'll get to some NHL news. We talked about it quickly with Frank. A little more, I guess, cementing of a lot of people's fears. The cap ain't going up. Only a million bucks.

Not going to smooth out the potential $9 to $10 million jump over the next two years. So it's going to be. make deals harder. And yes, guys on value deals become more attractive, Dean, but it's even harder to move any money at all now because everyone's drowning. The cap is right there. I'm sticking with drowning. It's a very dark theme. Submarines yesterday. Yeah. We'll see how this affects things, but now that we have that, teams know exactly what they can and can't do a week ahead of the draft. Hall of Fame Day, Rhett, are you getting a call? Does anyone called your phone? This is the day. And he's muted, yeah.

A lot of times Lanny makes those calls, right? It'll be a board. Shouldn't Lanny be, something's going on with my, anyway. I don't know. Something must be wrong with my phone that it's not coming through. Have you been retired for, what, is it a three-year period? You need to be away from you? At least, yeah.

But I think Lanny's holding a personal grudge because he, uh. Because you said no to him at the World Championships 15 years ago. Let go, Lanny. He doesn't seem like a guy who holds a grudge that. One guy we hope does get the call is me personally. Alex McGilney feels odd not to be included with the group they've collected at the Hall of Fame. And here's one of my favorite anecdotes that I've read recently on McGillney. You like this, Red.

We're in the locker room. Kenan's all over McGilney. And we're like, holy bleep. Normally he's not like, not on McGilney like that. McGillney looks up and he says, Mike, have you ever heard how I defected and how they fucking threatened my family? How they wanted to kill everyone? you think you're fucking scaring me. End quote.

Some F-sharves, but unreal. Hey, Mike, you're not scaring me about my power play work. I had to escape death to get here. Well, guys, let's really try and have a better second period. All right, then. Let's go. Go team go. Surely to fuck we can deal with this.

That's right. American League, game seven tonight, just as you'd expected. A game on the 21st day of June where the temperature is expected to be 38 degrees Celsius. I told you, Serge, it's too hot down there. Come on. That's not too hot if you got shade. That is absolutely perfect. Oh, man.

See, his hot yoga will just be regular yoga. Dry air there. Yes. Sweatman is downward dog. Do it in the backyard. Get those vinyasas in. Garrett Cole last night lost the handle on a fastball, Dean. It looks a little bit like this when that happens.

Whoa. No, maybe he didn't lose the handle because there's a nice little breakdown from John, boy. Oh, Jesus. Oh, that's the edit from last week's John Sterling. Some good editing. Did RJ do that? That's really impressive stuff.

Baseball karma is a thing. Watch what happens when this, I want to say young man or maybe young adult catches a fly ball. The move is don't be a Richard. Give it to a kid nearby, right? Go to baseball game. The team mobile coverage camp. So this is why baseball is the great. a sport in the game.

There it is. Look at that. Woo. He's pumped up and then he's like, oh. But he's like, you know what? No, I got to give the baseball to a kid. But then later in the game, Gooby, when Walsh hits the home run, the kid's dad's going to come up with the baseball.

He's like, here you go. Now you got your ball back. You got two. He's like, you know what? No. This is incredible. Gives it back. That is so amazing.

Look at that. He's like, no. She's like, that's so cute. Oh my gosh. That is amazing. Look at that smile. Both of them. tremendous.

Baseball, boys. Tremendous. You know what? Society's going to make it. That gives us hope, doesn't it? Very good. I'm convinced now. We're going to be okay.

Brett, you just had to be at the Angels Dodgers game. Change your entire outlook on it. I had to speak with a teenager today. I'm not convinced. Not a. Should have been in L.A. without your teens. It would have been better. Here's Marco Carducci of Cavalry FC talking about this weekend's upcoming match.

They have got. York. It was unbelievable. We had an amazing crowd. I think we beat Edmonton 3-1 on the day, if I remember correctly. It was an awesome experience. The fans brought it, but knowing that we're there, and again, this extends what we do extends beyond just what happens on the field over 90 minutes. It's a part of the community and for us to be able to support pride, to raise money, to raise awareness, just to stand behind something that is obviously very important. It's important for me. You know, again, last year we did such a phenomenal job that people behind the scenes at the put on, again, what was an amazing event.

And hopefully, again, we'll be able to do the same thing and get another great result in the field just to make it one big celebration. All right. So, pride game, Saturday, 3 o'clock against York. See you there. Great crowd last year. One of the games the year.

Love it. I'm telling you about the CBL. Remember every game ends in a walkoff? We're explaining the target score. We explained it twice. It's like, okay, I kind of get it. Do I want to do it again for people that... No, we're going to watch it.

For people that are listening that didn't hear the first time, you're not explaining it for my purpose. Right. And what I'm saying is the video is the best way to explain it. Your target score here is 85. Both teams are 83. Next bucket wins. This is the CUDA.

Come on, Scarborough, do a better job with you. Every game ends of the walkout. That's kind of fun. Shooting stars. They're shooting and their stars. No, star, stars. Now, not every game ends in a walkoff. The team that has a lead will still have a lead

and could just run it out, right? It's not next hoop win. Oh, you got to get the target score. Whoever hits it walks it off. We tried twice. That was, you got to explain it again. I'm going to have to explain again. But not both teams like,

when there's four minutes left, the next stoppage, they will add nine points to where the leading team's total is. That is your target score for either team. Whichever team hits that wins the game. Someone will hit a bucket that walks off the game. So if I think it from, boom. So he could be beating me by 100. Like, I got to get to 100.

It could be 100 to zero. He has to get, 109 is your target score. Right. But the team that has a lead is still closer to winning than a team that didn't have. Yeah. Yes. You're in the lead still. Right.

Change it. He's in the lead. They're going to have to walk it off a little quicker there. Okay. Sorry. Confusing things. Rett, uh, I don't hate the rule. I just hate you.

Change. That's what it's coming down. Change is not at me. That's tough. I'm going to audible pretty hard here for Jack because we're way late and we can save some of this for tomorrow. But Retro was asking for a snow update. Here is Sunshine Village yesterday. Is there snow out there?

I got snow. What do we got through? All the mountains got snow, right? This was 20 hours ago. Just saw it on the socials and thought we'd throw it up because it's a lot of snow. I got somebody inside. Look at this. It's coming down.

That is, that's a lot of snow. A lot of snow. The lifts open. Let's go. I mean, it's not hiking weather all of a sudden. How about that? Skis left. It's not June 20.

Sunshine Village. And finally, Rhett, you're going to hate it. This is a new ad late to the show. Your boy. Jonathan Eubertoe. He's got some non-traditional. I didn't get it. Come on, you said it to me.

He said, Rett's going to love it. If you said something to say Rett's going to love it, you got to get it. Oh, come on. Jack, what? You're going to get your first shovel, Jack? You're going to get the shovel. Jack, we can end the show on it. We'll do that because we still got other things to do.

All right, yeah. But what are we in a rush for? Are we in a rush? We've got to get out of a lot. Pinders Donnie wants out of him. I'm hungry still. Salami. It's delicious.

Oh, my God. Yeah, that's right. Okay. Well, finally, the shoveler has dash cam, and we got some great footage. Where was this in Buffalo, Rhett? because this looks horribly dangerous and I'm worried about her safety and all these other Bills fans

that this doesn't look good. Dangerous stuff. Right. Thought you had dash cam because, oh, my goodness. There's a mushroom cloud there. That's reds starting the barbecue.

You can't leave it on up for night and then lighter. Do you smell propane? That, boom. Steve Montador and my dumb roommate, Deke did that. When I was traveling in South Africa, they went,

they left the barbecue on and they came home, but it was burnt, they came home and the house was nearly lit up. Oh. Oh, dear. They had to get to the bar. I think a couple, I think it was Dwayne and Brent in New York.

I think they did the same thing. They were having a barbecue and then, hey, you know what we should do? Go home to Viking. It's the offseason. No. I think it melted the friggin siding and I think there's something to that. Doors are locked.

That's not ideal. All right. That's pinned report. Village Honda. Just going to push a couple of til tomorrow. All right. For the entire month of June, Village Honda collecting recyclable pop cans and bottles for donation to the Cochran Containers for Critters Program. Help them, help pets.

Stop into Village Honda today with your. donation village Honda so he's going to get it right he's going to get it we'll finish showing i just want i think the perfect ending of the show is we watch ret react to this and we're gone see tomorrow see i i think we need to try and bridge the relationship between ret and and i think there's you know we need to feel like you're not held he's only seen the worst but that's what i'm saying

the worst today maybe today's rock ball and here he is pushing an old lady down the Oh, well, see, that's why I hate that contract. I told you. They shouldn't sign that guy. Yeah, we better hit it. I'm going to hit it now. So what are we looking at, set it up again? What are we doing?

Well, I mean, it's going to be pretty self-explanatory. It's an off-season regime. I'm sure this is what Rhett was doing back in Saskatoon in his off-season. The court, catch, push, l' air of the bush. Inspire by the knee, expertise. Tighten the core. So he's standing on it. Core gets pushed. One leg, standing on one leg, blowing up a balloon.

One leg on the ground. Tighten a core. There's stupid everywhere, Ryan. I had too much stupid. Brett's done. He's done with stupid. More stupid. Are you going to be able to avoid stupidity? Stupid.

More stupid. And don't be stupid. Stupid buses fall today. Maybe I'm the stupid one. Oh, for the Christ sake. Now listen. That looks hard. Blown up balloon.

Well, you heard him tighten up decor. He's telling you, you got to dithen. So I was going to, you're wrong, Dean. Blowing up balloon is very accomplishable. But Boss Rutan on Rogan the other day talked about his breathing. He's got a new apparatus. So maybe it's this sort of thing. I don't know.

If it was on Rogan, he's into it. I think it's not as bad as we thought. What if, yeah, what if boss, Rootin does it. I'm willing to do it because if I don't listen to boss, boss will bust my head. But here's the thing I feel like you more than anybody should be

open to new training techniques. I am saying I'm getting it a pass, but your take that this is very difficult. Tomorrow, well, I might be driving. If I'm not driving, I may demo this. I would love that. Please do. I don't care if you are driving.

Just please. There's some rest stop somewhere where you can pull over. Making a comeback. Maybe that's at the NHL combines now for the kids. Look at the ease. In which he could. Very impressive lung capacity, Dean.

I like that he's working out. I wasn't working out in June. I'll tell you that. There you go. That way and out of here? McLeod Law and out of here. Cloud Law and out of here. Because a little something I want to, you know what?

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2003, on this date, one of the greatest NHL drafts in the history of the national hockey league. Do you remember it? You weren't listening to me, so it'll be tricky. I don't know. It was 2003. 2003. Yeah, what do you think I was doing in 2003? I don't know.

Watching the draft. You're at Stampede, getting ready for, you're picking out your boots for Stampede. That's what you're doing. You're getting gunned. Mark Andre Fleury goes first overall to the Pittsburgh Penguins. The Calgary Flames with the ninth overall picks, selected Dion Funnuff.

Nuff done. It's as happy as Daryl's ever been. In this draft as well, in this first round, you had Funnuff, obviously. Flurry and Eric Stahl, Dustin Brown, Brent Seabrook, Zach Perrezy, Ryan Getslaff, Brent Burns, Ryan Kessler, Mike Richards, Corey Perry. It's one of the greatest first rounds.

It is Dustin Brown. Just move back to Buffalo. Is that right? Pick them up. Big news round. That's the O3 class. There's many hoping or thinking, squinting, maybe this could be competition for the 03 class, the one we're looking at 20.

You go to round two, not to jump on you there. Louis Erickson played over a thousand games. Patrice Bergeron went at 45. Shea Weber, don't bring up Shane Weber. Anyway, Shea Weber played over a thousand games. You scroll through this draft and there are so many, it's not just spot games here and there. 400, 500, 600 games.

Guys were players. Lee Stemniak in round five Brad Richardson I'm we've got to go so No we don't where are we going Go ahead I'm hungry I want some salami Pavelsky round seven

Would there be any scientific reason Why that group had success I'm trying to correlate the lockout In that group That was before the lockout So it's going to be tough right I know but that's the point Maybe they all cooked a little longer you're thinking

They cooked a little longer. There was a bunch of guys, older guys in the NHL that after a year off couldn't perform as good. Right? I also think sort of just great breeds great. Like if you're great, you play against great people. Exactly us. Totally the exact same thing as that. But no, if you're that same, like the 03 class grew up playing against each other every year.

And just that level of competition was slightly higher than all these other years. they made each other better. Maybe I might be stretching on there, but that would be my take on it. Every time they go play provincials or represent their country, you 16s, you 17s, whatever it is,

it's like, damn, like we got to be at our best here. And it took a while because for the longest time, Hugh Jessamine, who was taken by the Rangers at 12, hadn't played a game. He was the only guy in the NHL, or in that first round

that hadn't played an NHL game. He has two to his credit now. So every player selected 30 in that draft, everyone played at least two games in the National Hockey. Abbott's for Pete, great, Hugh Jussman. Yeah. Great. Definitely braids some air there. So there you go.

And man, when Funf, you almost had to keep he and Big D apart. Boy, there was Twitter paid a really big game. Open mouth kissing, right on the podium. And what was it? Colburn and one other D went ahead of him. And the Dion slid there. Darrell couldn't have, like, you may as well have been on a carnival ride. He was just.

Ryan Suter at 7 to Nashville, Braden Coburn at 8 to Atlanta, and then Funuff to Calgary at 9. When we look back at Dions, I don't move, because that's for McLeod law, obviously, personal injury lawyers, the part of the community, whatever it is, whatever your law needs are, these are the people to contact. I don't know how else to put it, because whether you own a business, whether it's something personal, injury, whatever entanglement you're in, then McLeod Law are the people you need to contact. They will help you through and get you where you need to be, McLeod Law.

How would you classify Dion's career? I was kind of like a supernova. It was like onto the scene with the huge bang, and then it was like, oh, hold on. Called her nomination. 20 is a rookie. Captain of the Leafs, played on that world junior team,

which was also good. obviously tied with this draft. That one class, there was no NHL season, so they had access to all the top players. So it's Getslapped and Bergerna, and Perri and Fennuf and Flurry, and everybody was on that team. He was one of the most feared open ice hitters in the game,

if not the time. I think he was an era late. And also, he just tapered off. Like, what made him special, he stopped doing. Yeah, you couldn't do it as easy anymore. The game changed. And I wonder to that point, right? You can't argue with his.

I mean, he had a great career. It's just that he reached the potential you expected to him after his first three or four seasons. And I don't know that he did. If you looked at five of your segments, this first five would be the best. You just have to adapt probably. And I don't know. He was so renowned for those open ice hits and he was such a punishing hitter. At some point, your body is taking a bit of that punishment itself.

I don't want to say that he made it, got the money and then. Took his foot off the gas. It's on the limelight though, wasn't he? You know, the kind of a big accusation. But, and I don't know if there was a turning point, but he went from, like you say, just everything you could have wanted in a player, in a defenseman. And then it really did tape raw. Guy could hit and shoot and 20 is a rookie. That's the thing.

It's not, it's wild. He was a hitter and a shooter. Yeah. and you're just a shooter. Until it's canceled, it's not canceled. It's true. Wow. That's been great.

I got to go. What do you have to do? I got to drop back coffee, send in the fridge waiting to be consumed. We got to do Betway and we'll be out of here. It's the Summer Solstice. Get the Betway app on the Betway bets, bet responsibly, bet the responsible way with Betway,

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what we want to do? Thursday. You're not here Friday. Not here Friday. What are your plans, Warner? I might be driving tomorrow. You might have a road trip update. Are you on that I haven't committed to that yet?

No, but yes. Okay. Most humans would have, but for you, this is very much how I thought it would play out. It would be helpful for probably many other people to know what you're up to. What the hell difference does it make? No, I'm in Evanton on Friday. So if we knew you, we had your Friday, that would be nice. Yeah, if I knew you were here tomorrow or Friday.

Well, I'm not going to be there no matter what. Just for available for the show is what it is. Oh, wow. I'm driving. I've done the show driving before. Great. You did. He was driving to Pittsburgh.

And then you just log off. halfway through. It's, oh, I guess he's gone. And then it's juggle fest for walking sticks, boom. Yeah, for the guy back here. You're a professional, dude. You've been doing this your whole life. Yeah, with you. So,

yeah, he can handle it. Don't be surprised by expected behavior. I don't know. All right. See, Rhett. Hopefully. Bye, buddies. Oilers suck.