Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Frank Seravalli Live In Studio | FN Barn Burner - September 29th, 2023

Episode Date: September 29, 2023

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We are rolling here with Barnburner on a Friday, a chilly Friday. Tropical Friday. Is it officially fall? Is it autumn? Autumnon, now? I don't know about officially. I feel like we have to hit some sort of an equinox to get there, don't we? Have we hit an equinox? Jack, can I get an equinox update, please?

Jack, if you could look into the equinox situation, that'd be great. Welcome to the Tower Chrysler. Tower Chrysler voted by you, Consumer Choice Award winner, favorite Dodge Cries the Ram Jeep dealer in southern Alberta. Look at who we've got here. Oh my goodness. It's a little hot. He doesn't need two lights.

He needs one light. The camera's always hot. He just twist that guy. We'll use that light here. Yeah. It's all right. It's all right. Look who it is.

It's our insider from Philadelphia freedom for Frank Saravalee. South Philadelphia born and rent. That's right. Playground is where he spent most of his days. How you doing, Frankie Boy? in Alberta. I'm good. The Western Canadian tour.

It was a bit nipply this morning. That's right. So how often do you get up here? Because you came, you were here about a year ago, right? Didn't you come out for? January,

Jasper. Just hang on. Yeah, we, oh, sir. You came out about a year ago. And then you were out for the pond hockey. Do you come,

is it? A couple times a year. Yeah. I may get out here. Well, in Battle of Alberta. It's right around the corner. We got one of those again, right? The playoffs.

Yeah. I was here for that. Right? So if the flames just held up there into the bargain, you probably would have made another trip. I visited you guys once at your previous stop. That's right. I don't have any memory of that.

Yeah. Yeah. How does it compare? The old stop to this stop? It's more spacious here. Is it? But I'd. Our bar is better stocked here.

I'll tell you that. Yeah. Yeah, I did get pendered last time. You got pindered last time. It happens. Happens to the best of them. How did it happen, though? You win some, you lose some.

Yeah. Because by now you know what it's about. Yet you felt. into the crevasse that is being pender. He's not coming. He's in denial too. Right into the crevasse that is pender. Yeah, it's a vortex that's unavoidable, I would say.

You can, like, you can do your best. Like at pond hockey, I really tried hard because there's really nothing worse than playing hockey hungover. Did you try hard? Because I saw a lot of wine being consumed. It didn't seem like you were putting up that big of a fight. I, no, I was a good boy. I went to bed early and,

got my rest and hydrated properly, ordered a late night cheese wheel one night. Were you involved in the high kicking in the lobby or did you miss that? I saw it. Yeah, so you kind of got pindered in Jasper. But I just couldn't participate. A lot of hammies. Not all of us are built for the high kicking extravaganza. He's one of a kind.

He is one of a kind. So we had a little baseball, a Thursday night, then a little brewery, then a little cocktail bars. A little tour last night. And then like three tequila sodas too many. Oh, too many? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, really, eh?

Hmm. That's my go-to. Dean went to Mexico in August and he's like, my thing is just all the ice, vodka and what, a little bit of bubbly water? Just some soda water, yeah. The problem was. I'm the same with tequila and a lime. Young, Tyler your Mchuk. Young buck, yeah.

As we went to the last stop of the night, unfortunately made the mistake of giving Pinder dealer's choice. Yeah. Like, what do you guys want? I'm buy this round. Oh, dealer's choice. Okay, you're getting tequila sodas. And we knew the bartender. He was very heavy hands.

Yeah, that was a club poor. It's unfortunate. It's always everybody else's fault. It's Pinder, it's the bartender. It's my janky liver. Yeah. So you are, you've done a Western swing. Will it take you to Winnipeg?

No. Oh. Well done. Okay. Yeah, we're avoiding that part. So Daily Faceoff, Vancouver, Edmonton, now, Calgary, and then back to Philadelphia. Philadelphia to the home office. What, uh, what can you tell us? What have you learned the last two or three

days here in Western Canada? Yeah. Do you want to start with the flames? Let's go chronological because you started Vancouver, I believe. I did. Um, the vibe is totally different in all three stops. And in Vancouver, I feel like what they're feeling now, there's a very similar vibe to last year with the Calgary Flames. Puckering, Dean, was the word that I would, uh, like a, like a turning of the page. Tight. More. Yeah.

A little tighter. They know they, they need to have a good year. They know they need to, you know, try and win. And that kind of surprised me in Frank said this last night because it's year one of talk it. Like you took over mid season. It's not like, ah, this fresh start. It's like already the intensity and the pressure is cranked.

And Alvin's still relatively new. Yeah. There's still some shot on him. That's kind of why it's a bit surprising, isn't it? Well, I think it. always starts at the top down. Yeah. It's been 10 years.

The fan base is antsy. The owner is antsy. So excluding the bubble. It's been 10 years since in the playoffs. It's been 10 years since they've really gotten it together. Yeah. At least. Okay.

It's kind of been the same thing over and over again. Where are they at now with the Horvett departure, J.T. Miller? I think at the time it was hot and cold. I think that he was the guy. I think that's a fair way to describe it. Yeah. I mean, I went to camp the other day. someone's wearing 53 so that probably gives you an indication of how they felt it ended yeah how do

they like chronic because that's what they use that pick to turn into and that that decore all of a sudden we talked about last night like that's a better looking blue line than they've had years vastly improved i think you know last year they're asking kids to play in positions that they had no business being in like ethan bear top pair exactly jack rathbone playing whatever we're talking about guys that are fringe n hl players being asked to routine play in your in your top six like that's hard now they've got erroneous for a full season yeah i think he's going to be tremendous he's got a personal nine year playoff streak one two stanley cups it's like the russal martin thing you bring in the guy that always makes the playoffs and then

cars and susy so Seattle defender was a big phrasia guy right yeah like emphasis literally on big yeah so i think they could be pretty good the goalie bounce back the biggest thing there or the coach If there's a turnaround, what do you attribute to more than anything else? The goalie part's going to be enormous. Demko was hurt last year, actually acknowledged in an interview that's dropping on, frankly speaking, today, that he completely tore his groin last year and finally had to sit out. You can directly correlate his numbers to his health. At any point that they've dropped in his career, he's then missed time due to injury. he came back March and April, finished the season 920. He's that good.

Yeah, yeah. And he's my preseason Vesna Pick. What's your read on Tockeet? Coaches in Arizona leaves, and then it's mothballs. He's gone for a long time. Then comes back here. Is it just, he's on TV again.

We remember, oh, right, Rick Tocke, then he's back in. I was always surprised that in all that stuff that happened in Philly, that he didn't end up there being a flyer great and all of that. I just felt like he would be that mentality and that brand,

that image of what it is to be a flyer. I just wonder, did he get better during his, is he smarter? Is he a better coach than he was before? I think he was good as, I think he was good then. Yeah.

And it's hard when you're a coyote's coach because they made the playoffs one year. If you're judged only by success, it's a tough measuring stick. Was he there when they went to the bubble? Yeah. Didn't have pretty infar players? That was his team.

When their GM left before the bubble? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was there. Can you imagine? Like he goes, we can't get postgame shakes for our players, like nutritional shakes. That's the type of, it's like, it reminds you of major league

when they get sent to the prop plane. It's the new owner. And like, no, no, the owner's great. Trust the league. We love this guy. And they're like, the city of Glendale is ending and terminating the relationship. They're going to have an empty building rather than deal with the coyotes.

They literally got kicked out of their own rink. Yes. Are there whether they then deal with these guys and take their millions, go away. Are there any sewer this flight? I hope there's some pilots. Oh, my God. Something like that, yeah. So how?

I watched Major League a few weeks ago, and it's just, it's tremendous. It's so good. And I introduced my nine-year-old to it. And there were many, many questions after that, but I felt like that was a good sort of entree into the, you know, language and scene and. he's like, dad, why do they keep ripping off stuff on this woman? Yeah, that's right.

Speaking of language, Frank took his kid, the first Eagles game of his life. And your son's nine, you said? Nine, yeah. So you know, Philly fans, do you know? I said to him, but you're going to hear some things that you've never heard before. First order of business is to never talk about this again. Right.

Second, try not to ask too many questions. Dad, I only hear this when you're at home alone and mom's not. not a wrap. There was a guy behind us. The Eagles were up 20 in the second quarter just giving it to Kirk Cousins. Yeah. And it was no Bueno. Kirk Cousins' SDs, I think it was something like that. Yeah. Hmm. But my son didn't interpret it that way. So you heard different words. Yeah, he heard some different words. Yeah. Are they nervous in Vancouver over Elias Pedersen? They, the market is nervous. The team isn't. walk us through that well i think the easiest way to explain it is being that he's a impending ufa i guess

for clays an impending rf a rf a for people who are so we talked about this last night actually that he's because pender goes well he's just he's walking into the kachuk situation i just meant sort of like contractually kachuk leaves he was an r that summer right and then it was the force his way out year away from you i'm not going to resign and they do the sign and trade and that contractually is where Pedersen is. I believe he's a one-year deal and a Q-O away from just being a free agent.

So they can negotiate and he's like, if I don't like it, I'll just take my QO and be a UFA. He did force himself off, right? It was not, oh, so you mean at the end of this year? It's crazy. I had no idea.

It was very much by design. He used leverage that no one really has before. Yeah. And so that's where Pedersen is. You just don't think he's interested in using it that way. I don't, I think he actually likes it. Yeah. And unlike being an American, like it doesn't really, you can't.

There's no team in Stockholm for him to ask to go to move to. Not that I know of. Yeah. But if they keep playing games there, maybe. So I think when he's put himself in a spot after 102 point season to level up. Yeah. You go and do that again. And you're talking about a totally different pay bracket.

10, 11, 12. No, you're talking 11.5. You're talking David Pasternak. that world. And I think the Canucks, the reason he's not signed is not because he doesn't want to be there. It's because they haven't put the deal on the table that he likes. Are they convinced he is that Pastornak level player?

I think they want to see it again. Yeah. They're not going to say that part out loud. Of course. Yeah. But I think that's the truth. He's their leader though, too, isn't he? I know that Quinn got the captaincy, but like that's the guy.

If he's right, they're good. Like when he wasn't right and was playing on the fourth line, I think it was at the end of Travis Greenser and they were awful. when they got him back to being Pedersen. He was like, oh, yeah, they're winning games again. I'm not sure he's their leader, though. I think Quinn Hughes actually is that.

And I think J.T. Miller has some of that. Pedersen's quiet. Very quiet. And that's okay. There's nothing wrong. He's part of the leadership core. I just don't think he was ever really suited to be the guy. What is the J.T. Miller thing?

Why were some fans keep Horvatt, move on for Miller? Was it just contract stuff, what you could get in a trade? Or is there something about his personality, his mentality, the way he is that rubs people the wrong way? Or is he a bit misunderstood? Because some guys, they take that passion and they care so much. It's just they can't channel it the right way. And then it comes off as being bitter or whatever the case is.

I think it's all of those things. And I don't think it was overplayed. I think he's an edgy guy. He is. Polarizing? I don't know if polar. I don't think polarizing is. fair. I think he just has an edge to him that you either like or...

Because it didn't work in Tampa, and that surprised me. They paid assets to get them. Well, they didn't work in Tampa because they didn't have the cap space. But they played him down the lineup after like he was top six for a while. And then it was just like he was a fourth line. I'm like, why is he there? And then he comes to Vancouver. Oh, yeah, there it is. 90 plus point season. Yeah. He's really good. They don't like the contract though either. And I think part of the marketplace, if I'm interpreting it correctly is they saw it as Miller or Horvatt and they didn't like that the team picked Miller over Horvatt and then Horvatt didn't like that they picked Miller over Horvatt

and that's how it unraveled. That's how it unraveled. Didn't work for Horvatt in New York immediately either. No. Wasn't a great fit. Is it a great fit now? Will it be a fit moving forward? Islanders can't score.

So theoretically he should help that. But I'm not so. I don't think the Islanders make the playoffs to see. I like the goalie. They might because of that only. It's a Lou team, right? It's very, very Lou. Veteran goalie.

Yeah. A lot of the same elements. Yeah. They're going to have to win very much the same way. Except the Loo teams in New Jersey were very successful. Three Stanley Cups. Yeah. So then you move on from Vancouver to Edmonton,

where the mood, I'm guessing. is. It's go time. I don't know if there's more boring off season in the league than what Edmonton's had. Like, what are you actually talking about? That actually made the conversations with Ken Holland and Jay Woodcroft kind of interesting.

It's like, well, what do you ask? Yeah. It's basically a reload with one guy added. That's not all that different than here, though. Right. But the regime change, right. In Edmonton, it's how do you, you not let the pressure of these expectations overwhelm you?

That's really the name of the game this season. You can't win the Stanley Cup in October, November, but you can damn sure lose it. It's, do you like with, and again, it hasn't been a lot. Their goaltending is set. They bring in Connor Brown. I said it on the show the other day. McDavid maybe looks faster, if that's possible.

I saw that clip the other day. Preseason game is I guess. 70%. God almighty. How does... I said that to the Flames guys yesterday and they're like, oh man, we got to see that guy. If, and it's not easy to win the cup,

obviously, but for the Oilers, that's just win the division, meeting somewhere in that neighborhood, those expectations. If they don't get there, what is it that has failed? Defense, I can't imagine. It's got to be goaltending.

Is it still the goaltending? That's their one and only question mark for me. I think their defense is if you're ranking all 32 top to bottom, they're probably like number 12. Really? 10? You don't think they're that good? No.

I mean, I don't know. I love to. I mean, I'm talking one to six, not star or. I thought nurse had a really miserable season. It's probably best suited on a second pair. He's not. Hushar looks like an explosive power play weapon, but what is he five on five? Like they're missing a star defenseman, aren't they?

Let me just go pluck one off a tree for you. No, no, no. I thought Ackholm was a really big ad and important, but like that's still to me, it's the defensive goaltending that doesn't stack up against all the teams they're going to play in a conference final. I think you have your oil or goggles on a little bit though. I mean, would this be Bushard's first or second full season? Like, he's still emerging. He's developing.

Darnel Nurse is Darnel Nurse. The cap hit really impacts, I think, how people see him. And yes, is he often playing too high? Probably, yeah. But it doesn't mean he's not an effective NHL defenseman. I think at home. He was great a lot there. Lynch pin.

I just sort of think, like, if they're going to lose, which is how you started this, it's that they're running into teams that have better decours. And I think Colorado does, and I think Dallas does. And I think Vegas showed they did last year. And also all those three teams, I would argue, have better goaltending with maybe a question mark beside Colorado. Yeah, but what do the Edmonton Oilers have that none of, of those teams do.

No one's going to say, you know, geez, like the two stars on the other team out played McDavid and Drysettle. That's why we lost. We're asking why it wouldn't work

and why it wouldn't work for me. It's cold hunting. It's not D. It's cold hunting. Okay. But they do go hand in hand. Yeah. Like if you drop one of those oilers

goalies into that Vegas roster, I think they still win, right? Like that system is just so good. And the oilers are changing their system. Jay Woodcroft is going to Zone D, which is, I was asking,

Ryan Huska about it yesterday because they're also making some tweaks and he goes, let's be honest, this is a copycat league. Everyone saw what Vegas was doing, what they accomplished. Didn't really seem like it mattered who was in that. Yeah. And that's not sliding Aden Hill in the run that he went on. It's just

that might be the reality there. If it was Brasua or Logan Thompson, they might have still won. They had all the same results. Yeah. It was like sub one guy out. They won four games in a row with four different goalies at one point. And when we sat here a year ago talking about Vegas, their goaltending was probably that's yeah that was the Achilles now granted they were coming off a year where they didn't make it but still it's

where's the where's the weakness while it's the goaltending they don't have it's cat Logan Thompson and all that so that's why I wonder about with Edmonton when you look at the goaltending it's Skinner or Campbell Aiden Hill just won a cup and it's it sounds disrespectful to him because not I guess not everybody can do it but it kind of feels like if he could then a lot of goalies could why not Stuart Skinner how where does Stuart Skinner and Aiden Hill begin you know what I mean Stuart Skinner is better than Adenham. It's that system that Vegas,

we don't appreciate with how tenacious and fast and they just come at you all the time. It's just a steady, steady game that they play. I don't know that I see that with the Oilers. Oh, yeah. That's what they're working on. I think they're also,

what's scary for everyone else is you could see for the first time that last year really crushed them. Yeah, like they felt like they left one on the table there. When you saw Dry Cytle after that series ended, and I asked them about it this week, like that was when I was like,

you got something. Not to say they're not unbelievable players and not to say that they didn't care before, but when they were gutted like that, you can't fake that. And that's some serious motivation. And I just think at some point, Connor McDavid is just not going to be denied.

You're not going to be able to. If they don't win a cup with him, that'll be one of the greatest failures you've seen in hockey. Because I don't know that there's a player that good that hasn't won one by this age already. I think that's fair. That's the pressure, right? If they somehow didn't win with Connor, it would be like, how did you screw this up? But that's what's kind of pulling on their jersey this year to start, even just to start the year. Just yanking on them a little bit.

The pressure, you're saying. Everyone feels it. everyone knows this team now has the goods to compete. Three years ago, we're having a different conversation about the way they're constructed. Now they, for the first time, they have six legitimate, excellent forwards. That brown edition is going to be unbelievable. Is there a cop for that? I just try to think of teams that had high expectations and great players but didn't break through.

And I default obviously to San Jose for year after year. was Marlowe Thornt, Marloth, and you just got to the point they're not going to win. We're reaching that stage with the Maple Leafies. Maybe. I mean, McDavid is not Joe. He's in a class so by himself. I don't know. I feel like they are very, very poised to make that run this year.

If they're healthy, if that guy's healthy, I'm with you. I just think he is, how many guys can he care? on his back a ton he just last year the answer was too many evander kane hurt zach hyman hurt you can't you just can't do it all yeah and stewart skinner suddenly got to the playoffs and wasn't the guy he was in the regular season spit the bit yeah playoffs man we spend all playoffs we spend all seasons i here we feel like this is how it's going to happen and then an intro well now it's changed because they're it's different than it was when they don't have him and him in the lineup.

So I like the pressure there is huge and I know Woodcroft's message is like today. Can't never mind the season. It's just come in and have your best today. And that's probably the best way to do it. It's the only way to try to remove the expectation and the pressure. Because when you start looking big picture, that pressure only mounts, you think about this is the second last year of Leon Drysidal before UFA. You won't talk about anything.

He loves Connor. He's not going anywhere. Well, I mean, it's just that you could see how. They're like brothers. Every year that something doesn't go right, it just feels like there's even more pressure put on that thing. I think they're just going to keep banging their heads against the wall until they break through. Yeah.

I don't think either one's going anywhere. Do you see any of their social this summer? They're just hanging out everywhere. Any place Connor McDavid showed up, even if he was doing something promotional, I was like, oh yeah, there's Leon Drysettle off the side.

Like Leon apparently was in Toronto most of the summer with Kong. Yeah, he didn't, I don't even, I don't think he might have gone back home a little bit, but. Yeah. Not much. That's not the news we want here in Calgary, Frank. I was going to say, Ryan, I think there's the, well, yeah, maybe I'm kind of with Frank. Where else are you going to go?

No, I mean, it's cold in Edmonton, but if you want to win. There's no other place on the planet that the two of those guys can play together. Right. That's it. This is the only one and only. If he's leaving, he's choosing another band of superstars to play with. And can they afford you? Right.

And so this is what I'm saying, though, like the pressure mounts because those two are signed for 20 million a year. on their new deals, those guys will be signed for 30 million a year. But the cap will be 105 million years. But my point is, is like, your best financial situation to win the cup for them, cap-wise, is this year. Because you're going to have cap-overages with that Brown deal for next year. Like, this cap-wise is their best chance. Well, the cap-overages for next year are going to be wiped out by the increase in the cap next year.

It's this year and next year. It's just dead money that they already have for next year. That's my only point. Right. But what I'm saying is that, means that the picture doesn't change. It's this year and next year. Yeah. And then it's the 10 million bump for the two raises or whatever it is. Yeah. Like whatever whatever number, whatever that is. You're like, yeah. But he's, he's not going to, he already took less already.

How does that? How does he feel about that? So that darn. I think he would take even less. Yeah. Like, like, he was at 105 and walked it back to a hundred. Yeah. McDavid looks to me as a guy. He's got all the money he's ever, he's not going to be judged by how much more can you spend. how much money he's made or how many heart trophies or any of that. There's only one thing left. Of course, that's where he's the most driven. And yeah,

they hung out all summer. They trained together. It's like listening to the Kelsey brothers, right? They've got their podcast hearing Edelman. It's like, yeah, when we lose, we start training in February.

It's like, fuck, yeah, that's what you do when you are the elite and winning matters. more than anything. Brady and those guys we're getting together and we're training before everybody else and we're going to be the best.

The scariest part about that is once they win one, they might win six. Yeah, it really is. Calgary, that is the fear. It's like somehow let them screw this up and now they finally have competitive management, not like buffoons. It's like, I don't like this.

We'll be back in the 80s again. Yeah. What's your view on Woodcroft? is i mean it's first first nchel job they didn't bring in a storied coach to over you know what i mean

this was okay they brought in ken hitchcock i mean with this hire but that's they didn't do it this time because it hasn't worked we've seen them they brought in pat quinn and they bring in hitchcock and that this was uh well he's young he's in the system we think he's a good coach given the job I don't know if everybody loved the hire when it was made.

Why do we keep bringing back all the same guys? I know. And he had relationships with them. He was their assistant and then went down to the A. Like I think that was a big part of this, that he wasn't a stranger to those guys. They knew him. And then he also had the benefit of then developing all the other players

that he pushed up to the NHL from the AHL. So he knew the stars and then the grunts. And then it makes a pretty perfect marriage. I feel like that was a really patient play by him. And I don't know that he planned it that way, but to go away from the NHL to the American League, to get off the charters and go ride buses, that's,

that to me, like, that was a patient, long-term vision thing for him. That's what, but that's what the team wanted. So when the team says, this is your opportunity,

this is your path to ultimately get here. Yeah. You're like, okay, I'll do that. Coming up tomorrow, before we get into the, tomorrow is Saturday.

Tomorrow is Saturday. It is. It's race day. It's Century Downs Racetrack and Casino. It's Barnburner Race Day. Can you do that thing with the Trump? It's going to be 1245 is post time. We're going to be there doing our thing, having some drinks, having some food, getting some money on the money. I'm staying.

Thoroughbreds, let's roll. Barn burner heat. At some point during the afternoon, it's going to be the barn burner heat, which of course, I think whichever horse we bet on is. If there's a red one, I feel like we just have. Unless the names like McDavid or something, you've got to pick the red horse. Oh, whatever it is. Yeah. But if you've gone to the track if you'd never been to the races.

This is your opportunity. Come out. It is a ball. You're a degenerate. You've been. Oh, yeah. So my dad, my dad's dad. My dad, dad, dad's dad. We've gone to the track and while there was a mother put the, put the rent down. When I was in high school, there was a track five minutes from school. No way. It was on the way home. And when I first turned 18, I would go. I would catch like the last two to three races on the card when time alive.

I'd that go for you. It was unbelievable. Like when you're a kid and you walk in with 20 bucks and you walk out with 150, like you think that is the coolest thing. It's exhilarating. Yeah. Thoroughbred racing September and October, both months.

We're almost, obviously September's over, but throughout the entire month of October, the thoroughbreds are racing every Saturday and Sunday, 1245 post time. Admission free, all ages, welcome.

Grab a drink, have some food. Get yourself the lineup card. Wager down. Enjoy yourself. Get up on the rail and start yelling at horses. Love it. Why wouldn't you?

So join us tomorrow. We're going to be there. Come one, come on. Come on. Love to see you. 1245 is when things get going. Get there early and hang out for the day. Century Downs,

racetrack and casino. Is it a fascinator? The fancy hat. Is that what they're called? Not sure. I'm changing my flight. I'm staying. I'm just,

I'm fully entering the Pinder vortex. I know. You're in it. I'm becoming a citizen. It happens. It'll suck people down if they're not going to. need to get a line on a liver transplant. Otherwise, you're good.

Speaking of a line, yeah, I could use one of those. We'll get that going. So, Calgary, you're here, coach, general manager, captain. I mean, so many changes from a year ago. It's crazy to think that, oh, yeah, and just do it again. It's been a wild 24 months. No one wants to come back. Suddenly guys may come back for this team.

And yeah, there's still obviously question marks about what happens at the end of this year. But as you sit here, whether, I don't know what, what, morale's high. Totally different place. Morales high for what that's worth. I don't know if it's going to be worth anything, but it feels pretty powerful right now. Yeah. You could just tell being at practice yesterday, banging sticks on the glass, celebrating goals, smiling. Jonathan Hubert, we talked to him and frankly speaking, I'll drop next week.

He said for the first time, I think in his life, like, Going back to minor hockey, he goes, I didn't want to come to the rink. Loster. Yeah. It looked like that. For the whole team. I mean, when you talk about the potential exodus this past summer that ultimately didn't end up happening, they were so tired, so beaten down that they felt like they had no other place to go.

Yeah. Except out of here. I wish Rett was on for this. and it's not to like pin him into a corner he's not here but he's been very very defensive of darrell and why i think there's well because i think there's a lot of blood on the hands of guys that took money and didn't play that hard and like he's right about that but i think that he's absolving darrell of a lot of really weird things that happened last year right from training camp well and i think he's and i i agree to a certain extent i think that there's too much stock being in being put into

the fun element of things. Winning's fun. They didn't win enough. Yeah, wait until you lose a few. See how fun it does. Yeah, well, but the problem last year was they were like four and one or five, one and two out of the gate and it was already like he was barking. He was barking.

Yeah, six games in. I remember they were four and two. Yeah. And it was like the sky was falling. Listen, Darrell's a very, he's a hall of fame coach. He is a hall of fame coach.

There's no, no one can point at his resume and say, uh, absolutely he is. Will he go in the hall? Yeah. I don't know what the criteria for coaching is, but like he's top 10 in a lot of stuff. And the games coached aren't that high. Like he's, he goes, he's one of the winningest coaches in history this league. Does the stink of this year? So Mike Babcock was a Hall of Fame coach. Was he? Yes.

Olympic old medals, Stanley Cup. No, he went up on a loaded team and did nothing else. Setting a precedent. That doesn't matter. For coaches. Right. That doesn't matter. I think Cups matter a lot for coaches in the hall. No, you're saying on a stack team. That's what I'm saying. Cups championships. years down the road, they don't say, yeah, but how good was the team? Did he really coach them? Was it his coaching prowess that led them to victory? No, he's got gold medals. He's got cups.

Games coached, wins. Okay. It's undeniable that he was on a Hall of Fame track. I think so. Yeah. Is he now? I don't think so, but you do. Brett mentioned that before last week, I think when this all came down,

he says, I don't think he gets in now. And does the stink of this from Daryl Sutter prevent him from getting in? I think it's different. He's done more without, yeah, I feel like one bad year doesn't sink any coach. And also, we got to see what plays out. If they suck again this year, that absolves Darrell a bit, doesn't it? There's no, I mean, who knows what the future freaks, but there's no, like, there's chaos and there's the temperature and the mood and all of that. There was no going off the rails.

There's no instance where of wrongdoing or. There were a lot of. There was no. I would say a lot of very border. line. It's taking a shit. But there's no scandal. I don't. We talked Frank every week last year and it was like you had a very early clear vibe that things were not good in Calgary right from the get-go between the new star

player and the coach. I think it was the third show I ever did with you guys. Third show, third week of the season. Right. But the, I mean, it's a list that is a mile long of coaches who have battled with star players. But what about when you battle with every player? The coach in your talent. How about the story from Tyler to Foley this summer? Well, what was?

Did you see the podcast? You know, there are no score 10 minutes into the game and Daryl's walking up and down the bench saying, oh, Mark, he doesn't have it tonight. You guys got to go to WinSport tomorrow. Yeah, and, and Lidar, go get ready. Zero, zero. There's no score.

We're out shooting them. I know. I am not defending his smoking gun, you're right. But the reason that Mike won't go in if he doesn't is because of this. Is because of what happened in Columbus. No, I get exactly what you're saying.

I'm just, there's a, there's a really thin line of what you're talking about. Mental warfare is mental warfare. Yeah. Scrolling through a player's phone is an invasion of privacy. treating players the way that you do is still mental warfare. I agree, but the phone thing with Babcock, that's a specific incident that I think if that would be the roadblock

if people can go in. I'm just trying to think off the top of my head, like Scotty Bowman, my guess is he was a bit of a, a bit of a tyrant over the years. You hear a lot of stuff about Scotty Bowman. Guys like Pat Quinn, they were hard on players. It's a different time. Al Arbor, hard on players.

But yet they are some of the most storied coaches in the game minus a controversy or a scandal, I think Daryl Sutter goes into the hall. Okay. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just asked the question. Does the stink of this,

does it stay on him for a while? And I just sort of like, the difference in my mind is that Daryl won with a six seed and an eight seed and dominated in those two years. They won the cup. Mike Babcock won with a team that was probably a Vegas favorite to win a cup. I think it was almost pre-cap with Detroit? Nope, 2008.

Okay, so not pre-cap. But it was like, yeah, how many Hall Favors are they having there? It's like, he did a good job. He won, but it's like, I'm not convinced that some other coach couldn't have won with that team, just like they couldn't have won goal with Team Canada. I am convinced Daryl was the reason LA won two Cups. I wonder what Drew Doughty would say to that. Well, I was going to say.

Or Dustin Brown, but look. Or Justin Williams or all these other guys. So when they were out of the playoffs midseason and he replaced what Andy Murray, and they fucking steamrolled everyone they saw that year? Like, is that not Daryl? They might not like him, but you've got to give him credit. Terry Mary. Terry Murray, thank you.

Yeah. Too many Murrays. Eddie, Eddie Murphy. Anyway, back to the flames. They, they resign, they trade to Foley. They bring in Sharon Govich. You might be, being from where being in Philadelphia, you would have seen Sharon Govich, obviously more than we would have out here.

You're going to like him. Yeah, give us a bit of a report card from where he said. This is the easiest way to explain Sharon Govich. Has wheels, shoots the puck, challenged hockey IQ. Yes. Because if he isn't,

he's a star. If he has hockey IQ with the wheels and that shot, he's a star. Here's what I would argue. That is the very best player to play with Jonathan Huberto. It's DeClair Light.

Someone's going to put the puck on his stick. Your only job, but you have one job. Shoot the puck. Yeah. Get open. Shoot. We don't even want you thinking.

Don't start thinking. But he can skate and his shot is elite. 25 goals, second year in the league. That's not nothing. So you've got Hubertow, Lindholm, Sharon Govich. Now, can you go, just I want to make sure I heard that correctly. He's the most talented Hubert O's play. What was that?

He's the perfect guy to play with Huberto. Yeah. Like you couldn't draw it up any better. for a stylistic fit to play with Huberto. And benefiting Huberto or benefiting him? Benefiting the Calgary Flames. Okay. Both. The type of player he's had success with.

I just thought you said he's the perfect fit that Hubertos ever played with. No, no, not ever. No, no, no. That Huberto could play with on this team. In Calgary. All right. People forget that when Huberto put up 115 points and was tied for second in league scoring two seasons ago. It wasn't anything to do with Barkov.

At even strength, his most common linemates were Sam Bennett and Anthony Declare. Those are not superstar players, but the fit was key. And this is why we got into it last year because he's like, he has to play with Lindo. I'm like, well, maybe he does or doesn't. What he needs to do is be with the right type of player. And they couldn't find out who that was last year because Daryl was pretty stubborn. On that team, and I'll stand by it.

It's fine when you're in Florida, not playing with Barkov, and the points are racking up. When you're in Calgary and it's a shit show and you're struggling and other guys are struggling, why are you not putting your top winger and your top centermen together? because neither one of them are playing well or getting results and the team is soft. They hardly tried it. It was another Daryl thing that didn't make sense. Let me ask you a way more simple question. After being the second All-Star left winger,

scoring the most points in NHL history in one season as a left winger, why did Jonathan Huberto spend 50 plus games as a right winger last season? Darrell. There's no, it's a puzzle for sure. I was like, it was almost like he laughed. Like I said,

well, like this year, like maybe you could at least start playing on the correct side. Last year, Darrell made that comment early in the year about Lindholm and Hubertoe.

And it was, I'm kind of paraphrasing. I don't want to, but he said something about Lindholm is our best player. And he's got to play with guys that he likes, that he likes playing with.

And so whether that was actually how Lindholm felt, or Darrell was throwing. Is it a veiled shot at Lindholm? I don't know. Is it a veiled shot at Huberdow? He's taking a shit. It was a shot at everyone.

Yeah. It was him against that whole team last year. It was sad because we saw it so early. And then the craziest part about last year for the Calgary Flames for me is every single thing that could go wrong did. And they still only missed the playoffs by three points. Like they almost. lost their way in. Kind of like the Florida Panthers.

Remember the game against the Blackhawks? Like 10 days left? I mean, we can't forget that one because that's the worst shift I've seen from Nazim Kadrin his entire career. And it wasn't close. Yeah. The one thing, though,

I'm not saying that play. I'm just saying that loss. Oh, and it was, I think they went like one. Who scored two goals that game for the Hawks? Is it Athens C or so? No, who was it? It was someone that's like a,

total fringe NHL player. It was a guy playing with Domi that night. Yeah. And it was like, you just had your season ended by. Yeah. The one thing, to your point, the one thing that could go wrong if it did, the thing that they, which just concerns me a little bit, is they really had nothing in the way of injury problems. Markstrom didn't play well, but he was,

we are led to believe he was healthy. Only to have until the end of the year, he was healthy. Guys didn't miss. Unless you count Shillington, but yeah, and that's injury, I don't know if that's right word. Yeah. So they were very healthy relative to the league. from game one to 82. The guys that were on that team were mostly healthy. You can have a lot of things go right this year.

But if suddenly, if you have one or two key injuries, I feel like you're back in that bubble spot again. Maybe. It's funny. Like in this market, I feel so much negativity and just people don't believe in this team because of what they watched and because you're close to it and you can't escape.

Outside of the market, I continue to see people that are very smart hockey people saying this is a playoff team. I think they're a playoff team. The sports books are minus 200 for them to make the playoffs. A bet way, you have to bet $200 to win 100 for the flames to make the playoffs. Like that does not match the vibe around the city. And for good reason, because I think the people and the fans in the city, they pay closer attention. They saw last year when they're playing Dallas and Minnesota, so this is not going to go well.

Oh, you beat both of them. Holy shit. Let's play Anaheim. Lose at home. Lose at home. But again, it's a couple more big. wins. All right, well, you're going to be able to do it. To your point. Then it was that Chicago game,

shit them, shit their pants. It's hard. I get why fans are not trusting of this team. I get it. It's just that I don't want you to give credit to the fans being smarter than sports books. The history of sports is that they're not, right? Like the sports books are more rational. Well, sports is a reason

why they exist. There's a lot of people last year thought that this team was going to be better than last year than it was the year before. Three years in a row, expectations have been completely missed. But now there are none. I'm not saying they're right. I'm saying I get why fans would have a hard time trusting the team. Until they demonstrate that they can be more consistent and live up to these expectations,

it's show me, show me first. But that's, you know, you want to know the word they kind of kicked around yesterday a bit? Underdog. We're the underdog now. And the last two years they went to the playoffs, people didn't think they were good. The last two years, people thought they were good. They missed the playoffs. expectations are a thing.

We talked about in Edmonton, very different, but this team has failed to reach expectations basically back to like 2019 when they were the one seat against Colorado. What would they be this year? What would they be? The expectation day. Well, that's what I'm saying is weird

because in the market, people don't think this is a playoff team. Outside of the market, unanimously, it seems. Not unanimousy. I shouldn't say that. The overwhelming, not overwhelming. The majority of hockey people think they're a playoff team.

What is your expectation of this team? I think they're six to nine in the West. So, so like kind of the same as what we thought a year ago. No, last year people had been winning the cup and winning the division, very different than last year. You didn't.

No, I'm saying the expectation. I'm asking you, what are your expectations for this team? And what were they a year ago? Last year, I thought they were a top two team in the division. And this year,

I think they're probably the third or fourth best team of the division, but that's probably still good enough for playoffs. Yeah. You want to talk about safe money with this team, Just say bubble team, it'll be in this fight for a playoff spot. And generally you're going to be right. But two years ago, they won the division. It's weird, right?

Like, no one saw that coming. Darrell came in and replaced Jeff Ward, and they played 500 hockey and didn't look that good. And it was like, here we go. You know what it started? The same group of losers. And they won the division. They weren't a bubble team. They can dominate it.

They went through that trough where there was no playoffs. And then 2019, this team's come together. Young studs, look at this, win the division, win the car. All right. Five games, Colorado. snot bubbled. Oh man, we really thought this was going to be a good year and then it wasn't.

And then okay, well, it's not going to be. And then it was good. And then it's bad. You know, you know, you know, you know, that's, it's been hard to trust this friggin' team. And that's why I just think that's why the city is the way it is because there's so much scar tissue.

Then that's okay. And that's honestly, that's actually what makes it fun. That's what makes this year. Yeah. Interesting. It's going to work for this team because, because your point,

they're all in there. They don't have to pretend their underdogs. It feels like they are in the city. And they're, loving it. Ryan Huska, Craig Conroy, these guys, this is, this is in their wheelhouse.

Because I do think they have something in the top seven decor in the league. And they could have a goalie that's really good. Could have two. They could have three. And they, Jonathan Hubertoe, I think he hits at least 90 points this year.

I'll write that down. I can remember it. I have a feeling I might hear about it. Yeah, you might. Yeah. And that's just based on. Pinder said last night, if he gets to 90 points,

he will have achieved legend status. No, I said if he gets back to a point per game, like he will be like loved in the city because that's how bad it went last year. And that's how huge the commitment is for the next eight years. Wasn't it the biggest drop from one year to the next? In the history of the league. In the history of the league.

Like people have quit on him because of how bad it looked last year. And Franks made a lot of points of why that was. the case, but until people see that he, like he said to you, like Calgary hasn't even seen me yet. He said Calgary has not met the real Jonathan Hebrose. And you know what made it worse? It'd be one thing if you came in and had that kind of a drop, you also got paid. Well, that's exactly it. So not only did the, did the points go away.

It's like, well, Johnny left and he had a hundred some, but this guy came in and he had a hundred and some. So it's a saw. Then you also gave him the richest contract and franchise history. You could see the logic. It was like Johnny didn't sign here. They had the same number of points. Give him Johnny's money.

We'll structure it however it needs to get done for Allen, watch to sign off. He's here and let's just keep moving. Everything's the same. And it wasn't the same. It was culture shock for him. I think it was Darrell shock. Mark it.

So you got, okay, so you give this guy the biggest contract in Flames history. When was he used late in games? You didn't. They just roll. Never. Daryl rolls.

Yeah. How do you then turn around and say, you didn't do it this year? playing in a position you've never played in your career. In a city that you've never been in, really, except for the odd Eastern West Road trip, right? One night a year. Some people will say,

give your balls a tug, be your pro, so you're living in a new city. That's what Rhett would say. Get over. At some point, be a pro and, and dig in.

I'm not making excuses. I'm just telling you that's, that's how he tells the story. Yeah. Yeah, Listen, I can't, Daryl's a great coach. I've talked, we've seen it. I've talked to too many people just about how awful the mood and that attitude and the atmosphere was.

It was not a good place for people to win hockey games. It was not a good place for people to work. To work, be good at their jobs, enjoy their time together. It was, it was dark for sure. Toxic workplace last year. It's the exact opposite right now. And I know a lot of people, ah, kids today, they're soft or whatever. I don't want to work in a place where my boss is an asshole and you can't.

No one wants that. It can only mean good things. Does it mean more wins? I don't know. I don't know how even if the team wins more. Do you look at it and just say, well, it's because it was more fun. I don't know how many fun victories do they get this? Wow.

But how many miserable to work losses do they have? Yeah. How many one goal losses? How many blown third period leads? And again, still only missed. by three points with the worst season that Markstrom's put up in the last half decade. What about that? We kept waiting for him to kind of find his form.

You hear about having a kid and we know what that's like. That's when you did. I found his form as soon as a kid was born. It's like, is he going to get above 900, say, or 8%? If he gets to 900, they make the playoffs.

Which is crazy because 900 ain't a bar for March time. 900 is below league average. Yeah, I know. And that was, you're not asking for the, sun, the moon and the stars, just give us like a little something. And I also

Lidar was getting run over by Darrell every other night that, how's that going to work? You can't just be like, hey, call him in. He's not going to help you at all. And this year maybe, like, Daryl didn't use the farm team.

The GM would call up a first round prize prospect. What's his number again? Yeah, exactly. It changed this year. But he'd ride charters for two weeks, and he didn't take advantage of players that were playing well in the American League, aka Phillips, aka Peltje, aka Dustin Wolf. He was very, very stubborn in his entire approach. And when it didn't work, he didn't use the options he had.

And I think that's why guys like Connie and Tree were so frustrated because they loved a lot of the guys in that HL team that could have been solutions. And you lose. Gerald and use him. You lose some of those guys. You lose Phillips. I don't know if he's going to be something, but. You didn't find out.

Why wouldn't you? So you call a guy up and then you leave him linger as a healthy for 10 days. You know, that was actually one of the biggest, and I think I told the story last year, that was one of the biggest things that pissed the players off last year was that they could, he couldn't even give them an answer of when you're making your NHL debut. You know what your lineup is. Can we, can we bring his mom and dad in for the game? And it took until one of the players went to tree living and said,

we need an answer because we're not allowing this. to happen any longer. This is what they're doing to this kid. Yeah. And the kid. And then he did what he did after the game. What's his number again? As a way to say to everyone else.

Bird. Hope you're happy. That's the, and he played him what? What was his ice time? Yeah, not much. Six minutes. How are you going to ever find out?

I know. It's so sad that you had Matthew Phillips, this incredible story, small kid, local kid, sixth rounder, Torches Jr. Like that's never happened here before. He's going to be too small for the American League. Dominates the A. And you had all these opportunities last two years to find out what he is at the

NHL level. And instead, Craig Conner has to make a decision this summer of, how much can I give this guy? Can I give him a one way? And you don't even know what he is because your coach was so stubborn than even in two lost seasons. You never saw him play more than three games. So there's, and then we talked about it.

it was yesterday. The GM wanted to see him. Yes. He called them up. So there's that, then he drafted it. That disconnect between GM and coach was a real thing. This year,

it's more cohesive top to bottom. Players like the coach, coach likes the players, GM coach, everybody seems to be, it's all harmony. We'll see how it works out. Man,

the franchise has never lost a really talented small guy before. Okay. You said, as you brought it up before. Are there enough goals there? You guys talk to, uh, Jason Weamer.

Yeah. His main concern with the team. What's he doing now? He's being Jason Weimer, being the best Jason Weamer out there. Seabair. Leading the league and Jason Weamer. That's awesome. Like activities.

Yeah, he's good. You guys are good along. Good guy. His concern. I would get along with everyone. Not everybody. I think for a lot of fans, can they, because you just look up the road. And yes, it's one of the most potent offenses that we've ever seen.

So it's an unfair gauge maybe. but Hubert O, obviously, Manjapani had an off year. Shoulder surgery. Is there enough? Are the goals going to be there? To Foley gone? I think that doesn't even really like register on my radar as like things that could go wrong. I just think they were so bad on the defensive side of the puck that if you get league average goal tending, it's eight points.

How many of those one goal losses are gone? Like 10, five? you missed the playoffs by you think you'd one more point in Florida was that it was in St. Louis right when Markstrom just led in that oh god late in the third that was dreadful but that was in like November or December like it wasn't even yeah but games like that all the time that was like the story last year and I'm not saying it's all on him but he had like a 700 save percentage on first shots of the game at some point in the spring it was just awful it was hard to do it was almost it felt scripted yeah It felt scripted. Shot goal. Of course. Shots are 10-0-0-Callory. They really are owning the puck.

Shots scores. The Islanders have opened the scoring. Oh, and Marsha's going to want that one back. Holy five. How did they do this again? So with all the, I mean, it's so good to reminisce and remember these great memories. Are you very excited for October 11?

Let's get this thing going. I'm excited because it feels different. It really, like, and I know that that's what they're telling you, but being there and see. it and feeling it, it actually does. Again, give it three weeks. Yeah, I know.

It might not, but I think there's a chance that we might actually see the potential of what this team was supposed to be. They start with a big old road trip too after playing the home opener against Winnipeg. They do a lot of times. I don't mind that group going on the road right away,

to be fair. Michael Backland, Captain, thoughts, and the contract, I guess, because it's kind of... I thought it was supposed to be Rasmus Anderson. It depends what we're talking about. That was the week before. Oh, okay.

Sorry. I was a little slow on my news. It feels like a shot. No. Long time coming. Should have happened three years ago. That is where we disagree on the show the most because I felt that way. And Rhett and Boomer said, what if he's just not a captain?

What if he's just Michael Backland? And why wasn't he a captain earlier? And I thought that was a Daryl thing. But you don't necessarily view him as capital C captain. I just, if Daryl, if Daryl, Darrell drafted him. If anybody would have thought be the guy

so I drafted his captain. But they didn't name anyone. Well, exactly. That's what I'm saying. There wasn't a captain. You could have put the sea on him, certainly. I just don't, I don't think that

tenure with a team automatically makes you a captain. I just view, is this guy our leader? On the ice off the ice, do I feel, I just think it's an organic, thing. I don't think you can look on it. Well, who's played here the longest? Okay, well, he's our captain.

I don't think he's that. And I guess in the room, they feel that way. And that's awesome. And I hope it works out for Mike. I hope it's great. From the outside looking in, I think he's a very, he's very nice. He's great in the city. I think he's a wonderful guy. I just don't know if he's a fucking right. Backland got me. So we're fired up. You're goddamn right, backs. Let's go. Let me ask you this. And not every team can have that. I get that. But I just, I did Mark. Did Mark Girano have that guy? He was more of, warrior. He had more of that feel to me. Why? I think they're almost the same personality. I don't, and I don't know, I don't

know Michael Backlin all that well, but just spending a little time. Like, I feel like him and Giordano are the same person. What, what is, we've seen a lot of players come out in the Penderport, there's a couple, but like a lot of players went well out of their way beyond the like expected complimentary stuff to say like this was deserved this is overdue this is our guy because he was one of those guys leading the charge last year you want to talk about leading the charge it was like we're not putting up with this stuff from darrell and and hey if that was happening behind closed doors if he was marching into darrell's office and saying back off and then that's the leadership quality that you want to have in a captain like the pelche thing it wouldn't

surprise you if that was backlin that went in and said this has to change I don't think it was him. I mean, it's guessing, right? Well, I'm asking if that would fit or not. I know it wasn't him. Okay. But there was a lot of stuff that happened throughout the year that he was like, no, no more. No Moss.

Yeah. And that's, that is what you mean. I think the hard part for Rett, to be honest, is that that wasn't the player, Michael Bacclan was, and Rett played with him. Michael Backlin in his young 20s was naive, soft, always hurt, and probably like deer in the headlights a lot. but that doesn't mean a guy can't change over 10 years and figure out what it takes to be a winner. You're not just born a leader necessarily. Sure you have your Jonathan Taves, but other guys like a Giordano, like it takes time. It takes mentorship and watching.

What does it take to win in this league? What are the habits that we need to have? I think it's tough for Rhett to look at the kid he played with and say, that guy's a captain. For him, he's been in a room for years and years and it played with different captains, right? Yep. So whether or not Michael was that then, he has in his mind what it is to be a captain and doesn't see and doesn't see Backlin there. Right.

He talks about Brian Scruidland, Jerome, like those types of guys. He doesn't see Backland and we should not be speaking for him. But I think it's fair to say. He just doesn't see it that way. I think it's less about who Mike was at 20 and more about what he has had as who he's had as captains over the years and feels like those, that's captain material. Yeah. And my point is that he doesn't know the Michael Backlin now. He's only been in the room with the Michael Backland that wasn't illegal. Sure. Yeah. Let it work out. I'm happy for him. It was a nice scene the other day. You like the family's there. I do like the deal. I don't think there's any risk in it. Third year would have been scary because that's four years to a guy that turns 35 this spring. The two year term was key for me. Perfect. And sub five million. Like you're never going to get hurt by that. You can not like. We talked about it yesterday. Red did. I didn't think the deal was, I kind of, I said it was, I felt like it was a hometown discount.

To me, that's, okay, that's, that's less the market. That's, that's, you, you want to be here. That's what you need out of a cap. Okay. It's all, nice story, put it, put a bow on it. It's done. I think for him, it's less about the term. It's the four and a half million that he sees. I asked him the day before the deal it accepts and he said it was two times five. He doesn't think it's a, he doesn't think it's a bargain. He doesn't think that's a discounting anyway. Four and a half is the going rate for Michael Backlund. he might be right. If you put red on a spectrum,

he's, he is at the other end of the biggest fan of back. He's not a hater, but he's, he's, I think the general consensus on Backland, he would be the other side, not like a pro.

Or like, eh, the entire 10 years I've worked with them, it's always been like, he wants more, he wants more. If it was a three year deal at four and a half per, the third year,

it scares me because you're just, you're going to pay someone who's turn of 38. I know, but I guess to me, it was more, more about the two years. It's both. I thought it was a win on dollars and term. I thought, that's why I'm asking you if it was three years at four and a half, would you feel like four and a half's a deal? Then you wouldn't. Yeah, I agree. And that's so four and a half at two years is the same

at three. So it's not the contract. It's the term. Where, where, I understand what you're trying to say. Like, I thought they got a win on both term and dollar. So I really like it. So how can it not be a win at three years at four and a half million? Because he's not worth three and a half and three years. Four and a half and three years. Yeah. Thank you. Like it's because. We are expecting diminishing returns as a player goes 35, 36, 37, 38. And so to pay the 38-year-old 4.5 is much more risky than the two years before that, in my mind. Is there anything else we have? Are we putting you to sleep there, Frank?

No, I was thinking about just it's the easiest way to, like, slot in a contract ever. Like a GM told me this, and I think I've talked to you guys about this, 100K per,000, So like if you're, you're, four and a half million, or you should be getting 45 points or 45 points, four and a half million. Michael Becklin. Last year is at 56,

like you said, probably going to diminish a bit, career year, but you can pretty much pencil them in for his entire career to this point for 45. And the beauty is. And the cap's going to continue to go. Like,

it just, it's like, his defense too. Like, that's, that makes it even better for me. It's not like his offense is what makes them great. I think I,

I just don't see any risk. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's fine. I do think it's a bit of a discount. I think it's when Elliot, and I'd not throw Elliot up the bus, but it's three at 5.5. It's like, Jesus.

That's rich. Man, Conroy, what easy now. Settle down. And then you hear two or four. Well, yeah, that feels, that's about where it should be. That's about where it should be. He'll hit a thousand games early next season.

He mentioned that was really important, too. Did he? Yeah. He said to do it in one city with one, franchise thousand games. Wasn't it geo like right after in Seattle? That was like, are my crazy?

I think he was at 989 when he got traded. Yeah. Or got claimed. Got claimed. But I don't, I just think it fits. There's like a, and now here's the thing with Backlin is he's changed his mind.

And he actually, it was funny, he said yesterday, he goes, I came back from Sweden and I, you know, sat down with my wife. and we talked and he said,

I changed my mind. And they were like, oh, I mean, you know, I decided to stay. And it was really kind of a funny slip of the tongue, but he's now going to become Craig Conroy's salesman.

He's like, he's the recruiter now. Yeah. Do you like, it kind of already seems Sweden. I don't mind that. You, um,

no, I meant in terms of the guys that are in the last year of the deal. Yeah. Hey. I did it. Let's go do it together. I wonder to. Lindholm and Shillington, two Swedes. The Shillington thing is still...

I know there's... I want to be careful how I phrase this because I'm really sensitive to it. And he made a huge jump to come over here. But what's going on? Is this going to come together or is it not? I mean, this is the question we ask you. It seems like it's crickets on.

all fronts here. Craig Conroy said yesterday when we asked him just here to support him. Give him everything he needs and they were proud that he came over here. He couldn't get on the plane last year. Now, I don't, I don't have a sense that anything's changed. It's just that he can't, can't get over the hump. Yeah, it's, it's unfortunate all around. You feel for him, he's obvious, there's obviously something he's going through. The team would love to have. and he looks good like those videos like he looks had such a tremendous year

it was such a breakout for him the flames have really gotten a shitty deal when it comes to younger top four defensemen that are trending in that way Yusov Alamaki knee injury Shillington his situation Adam Fox you remember him that was so much an injury

no but again bad bad luck with young defenseman it was an injured national psyche I think that was something. Do you snore? I do. Of course you do. I mean, look at me.

A picture of health over here. I was guessing you snar. Just, I've been throwing it out there. Being a guy of our age, that sort of thing. I'm not your age. What are you older? He's younger than Crosby. Remember?

It's the meme. Someone sent something into the Oilers Nation text line the other day. They said, you want to know how hard hockey writing is? Just look at Frank. Yeah. It's like being the president. Hey, you see old bottle?

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Perfect. Done. Dr. Jay. Yeah. So cup final. You're here for the cup final. We'll get you in.

Did not say that. Time for the Pinda report. Don't do some Pinder report? Well, I mean, is he got to leave? Do you want to hang with us or what do you mean? No,

I actually do you have to run. Oh, shit. Let's, let's, where you got to go. All shit. let's say bye to frank we'll take a quick little break we'll come back with pender i gotta give me a hug i got a sandwich uh down the street that i got to uh

interview yeah there's a deli oh yeah i got jokes fat jokes what else you got it's lunchtime i'm starving come on what do you worry about sarses are saying prosciutto's on the menu um well anything what about pittsburgh carlson comes in this this is kind of uh get the band back together let's give it one more shot i know you guys are pretending like you're never going to talk to me again. Oh, hey, next Tuesday. He really is hungry.

He's going to go. Hey, he is hungry. Real quick. Vasilevsky, Tampa. How much trouble is that? Trouble. I mean, that's a team that I thought looked really tired last year. Yeah.

It's hard to bet against a team that has Sergachev, headman, point, Stamcoast, Kuturob. Like, that's your core. Yeah. But Vasilevsky is such a big part of that for a team that didn't light the world on fire last year. Yeah. they got to tread water. And the problem is, if you were to rank all 64 goalies in the NHL,

the guy they had as the backup would be 64 and not even a question. So I think their plan the whole time was to pluck a third guy off of waivers from somewhere. Now you can do that, but is that enough to get you through for the first 10 weeks? maybe they'll I mean the thing about breezeball on that team I feel like they they will know I think that's one of this we've talked about it that's one of the best run front offices that that there is in the game they'll have a good sense to what what goalies are going to go on waivers here in the next week to 10 days as the season starts and if that's going to do it then they'll they'll try and if it's not then they're yeah they're going to have to make a deal to get something done big save day there maybe

Calgary podcast. But there's three goalies here. Dan Vladar has been an effective backup. Got a piece for him. With how he's been used, right? With, with Daryl at, Darrell's heart on backup goalies. They've also got,

this is news. They got Dustin Wolf, who's, he's got that arm, that arm pump. He's got the, it's in mid-season form. Yeah, the cell is in Winnipeg. So I don't know. There's three goalies here.

He's hungry. He's got to go. We'll let him go. So here's the thing. And here's, I think, the easiest way to explain where the flames are at. I think they know that in an ideal situation, moving Dan Vladar is the play.

I don't think they've had a market materialized for him and not because he's not good. It's just that no one has, anyone that's had a need to doesn't really want to spend that much. And I don't think Tampa's all that different. In terms of acquisition cost or cap space or both? Well, they can make the cap space work, but it's acquisition cost as well.

That this, I don't know why it is, but this market for whatever reason is more down on Vladar to the theme we were talking about earlier than the rest of the league is. I think he's a second round pick all day long, like without blinking. And I think 18 months ago, he was a first. Jeez.

the contract is reasonable and I think the flames know that Wolf is ready and could really use to be that guy but that doesn't mean you just throw out Dan Vladar just to do it. You try to get that second. Yeah, you try and hang on and be patient and say, you know what?

He's waiver exempt. We have time. Let's keep him starting for the Wranglers, Wolf, and then let's figure it out from there. I think that's been the story of the off season is that the offers for guys haven't been there. It was a soft market for Glendholm, Hanifan, Backland, all of them. Because we talked for a long time.

And remember when the Tofoli day, oh, guys, a 30 goal guy's got to be a first. And it's like, ooh, a third. Oh, that's not what we thought we were going to get. I think that's what it's been across the board for, for a lot of those guys. But just wait. Yeah, that's what, and that's what you do. And that's what their plan is. But it could change.

Tampa goes on five out of the gate. Maybe they are willing to pay the price, right? Right. And then all of a sudden, you're fine. I like the approach, though. I think it beats the alternative. Well, it's good to see you. Good to see you.

Good to have it. He left his house today for you. It's been too long. Yeah, I'm not happy about it. So frankly, speaking back for another season? It is. Really excited to get rolling. We'll have Flames next Wednesday. Those interviews that I was talking about.

We have Vancouver dropped today. We'll have Edmonton later next week and off and running. And Daily Faceoff Live starts on Monday as well. There you go. Find it where you get your podcasts on YouTube's. Get to look at Frank. Sorry about that. That's good.

And yeah, Daily Faceoff. There's lights in the ceiling. Every single day. Every single day. Be well, Frank. Good to see you. Good to see you guys. We're going to break.

We'll come back with the Pinder Report and more. Stay there. I'm back. Welcome back to the show. It's a Barberger here on a Friday. Lots of people milling about. There's a lot of milling about. She's as busy as the studio has been ever.

Yeah, we've got Seravelis and we got Ryan Pikes. Pike bombs. RJs and Jacks and Tyler's. Boss man out of Chuck. No rats. God no. Yeah, we got, did we have two minutes of a rat? None.

No, no, he was going to and then he, uh, they didn't. Yeah. But good, always good to see Frankie Boy. Did he say he was coming back for the. Heritage Classic? Yeah. He will be here October 20. Edmonton, which is, that's going to,

quick man. I was going to say that is. So Sunday is October. Right. That's the same month as the outdoor game. That's the same. So October 29. Basically a month away.

It's in October. And because today's September 29th. Jack, can you confirm that is October 29th in the month of October? Just give it a quick look. See if you got a. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Thank you, Jack. Confirmed October 29th. But yeah. You've been to a couple of these outdoor games. I was at the one. here. Now, was that a heritage classic? Yes, they brand the Canadian one's Heritage Classics. The stadium series

ones are the non-New Year's Day and then the Outdoor Classic are the New Year's Day ones in the States. We're going to have some stuff obviously as we get closer to that. Flames Nation Barnburn are going to be doing stuff. Alberta Blue Blue Cross has come on board with us. We're going to be doing some stuff there as well. Now, you're at the first one? I was.

2003, November 22nd. I wasn't supposed to go. My dad, who's a season ticket where I was going to go with a buddy and then there was a family emergency on a very short notice. It was like, do you want to go to this game? And I'm in university at Lethbridge. My brother's in high school. I'm like, are you kidding me?

Do I want to go to this game? Like oilers, habs, outdoors at Commonwealth. It was incredible. The only snafu, which I think they've done a better job of, is it was November 22nd, not October 29. And she was cold. And she also wasn't being played midday. There was the alumni game with the habs and the Oilers.

And then the sun dipped behind the corner of Commonwealth. everyone went. Yeah. And they started playing the real game. It was probably around minus 25. And when that sun went away, it felt like it dropped 10 degrees. And my idiot brother was like, what should I wear? I think I'm just going to wear skate shoes and jeans. I'm like, pretend you're skiing for a week. Yeah. Pretend you're going to Antarctica. Do not wear jeans, you knob. I remember here, people that had beer, you had to drink them so fast. Yes. So we were in a section and there was four seats right next to us. It was two

dads from Chicago and their sons. And they are so jacked. They're like, it's so cold. This is amazing. And like taking pictures. And it's like, this was a big father son bonding moment until about half or through the first. And they're like, this is too cold.

Beer is freezing. How can you live somewhere where beer freezes? Oh, God. We didn't see him the rest of the night. And it's become, it's become kind of a common place for, for there to be outdoor NHL games. Yeah.

It's not crazy. That was the first one. That was a, that broke the ice and that was the coldest one as well. Yeah. That was. It was quite something. And we ended up huddled in a concourse by the third, but we almost got through the whole thing.

And again, there was that alumni game before. It was a big day. But between ticket sales and the jerseys and just the excitement, it was clear they had stumbled onto something, which is why we're still seeing these. And we're going to have one in a month. Exactly a month. And the other thing they've done is that was sort of like, we're just going to host a game at a football stadium. Now it's the carnival festival for a whole weekend vibe in a city.

And that's what they've drilled. When we talked to Ozzy Brad, he's like, the city of Melbourne was all NHL for days. And that's what they've added on. It's, you don't go to a game. It's a weekend event. It's like going to an NFL game and tailgating all weekend. That's what they've been great at. It's like the draft, right?

The NHL does a great job with putting on those. When they come into a city to put on an event, the draft or the All-Star game or whatever the case is, they've got it nailed. There is, with this, you do have to put a rink together outside. And even there, they've gotten a lot better, too. Yeah, and it was what, Dan, not Kelly. Dan Craig. That was the ice guy.

He was the Edmonton guy and he was so good at the NHL's like, you're with us now and you travel with this traveling kit. You're going everywhere to make ice. But that was the original one where it was like, how are we going to do this? So they didn't have a problem with temperature. Yeah. And are you ready? Because I think I got news for a guy that doesn't like leaving his house. You might have to be in Evanston.

Oh, geez. Goodness gracious. I'm hearing from high of places, you might be there. Well, thank goodness for Alberta Blue Cross. Well, if you're going to go, you better have some traveling. Travel insurance. We'll get them on board. Only one thing better than sharing

memories, and that is making new ones. Alberta Blue Cross, travel insurance protects those memories and more, wherever travel takes you. Visit ab. bluecross.ca slash travel for more information. A.b.blucross.com slash travel. I don't mind cool weather,

but the beer freezing, that's... Anything with alcohol freezing, you're cold. Yeah, you know what? I'll tell you about... Because I was at the one here. Which also was chilling, right? Yeah. If...

To know that one in... Edmonton was colder. It's like, how could it possibly have been colder? Because it was, it was something. But again, October 29th, we're going to be okay. Well, the Winnipeg one, my photograph, forgotten about, I was on afternoons. Pat and I went with listeners, I think, what, 20, 30 people out there. And that was chilly, but they're great.

These are great. If you haven't, like, it's a bucketless thing. And it's like, oh, it's another one on TV. It's not for that. It's for the market it's in and the team's involved. And for that, it's always a winner. That's been my thing because we hate everything. Everyone hates everything.

Oh, there's those stupid. It's for, it's like when the All Star game comes, everyone hates the All Star game. For the people in that city that are going, it's an amazing time. There's stuff outside the rank. All the stars are there. It's an amazing show. And it's the same with this. And, you know, it's not just Edmonton's thing.

It's our thing. We get to kind of take part. Hey, if they're going to win a game against the oil, maybe we'll do it in front of 55,000 people. Yeah. Maybe it'll slow McDavid down. maybe can they can they get them into the wind for like the first and third we'll probably slow everybody else down too the flames downwind they need a little help there against them uh you want to do some

betway let's do some bad way all right point spread picks it is friday we got week four action that started last night i think yesterday i uh i think i like the packers kind of like the packers too but i understood now why all that money was moving on a Detroit because we kept seeing that line change, one and a half, two, two and a half. Why is this money coming into Detroit? Oh, because Detroit's better than. They were last night. I mean, it wasn't close.

Yeah, we were talking before the show started. I was at, uh, my kid had a event last night. So I went and watched at a at a lounge and there was some of the stranger, but a Packers fan. And right near the first half, it was when there was the interception, the near safety in the end zone, the, the punt that was muffed and then almost, he's, oh, geez, what are we doing? I don't even know if he knew he was barking out loud. He was just dialed right into it. So it was not the Packers nights. The Lions did cover whatever that's one and a half, one and a half.

It ended up in two, two and a half. Not an issue at all. I elected to after three weeks of playing Deshawn Watson ahead of Jordan Love who is better, decided this week to go with Jordan. I was freaking out at the half. The only good news was that it was garbage time second half. He runs for one. He throws for another.

He gets a two point conversion. He actually ends up having a good day. but I was like scared shirtless at the half. Like what? I'm screwed here. I need to tell you something. So I've made an astute observation on your fantasy team. It sucks.

This will mean nothing to anybody. No, no, no. Okay. On your team, I worry, I just want to make sure I get it right. Yeah. On your team,

you have Rishon Johnson. Yes. Deshawn Watson. Yes. Jahan Dotson. Yeah. Rihon Jahan. Rahan Jashon.

Is that by design? John Dotson, Deshawn Watson, Roshan Johnson. You got all. I got to find more. You got to find more. Get on the trick. Gritton Johnson? Yeah, find somebody.

John Dotson? Yeah. Good time. So did you, how'd you do? Because you had both Love and Christian Watson. Watson got to the house, so that made him better than expected. And the second half from Love bailed him out. And the rushing touchdown really did because those are six, not four.

So I ended up surviving better than it projected. So that helps. I'm in a favorable position going in. I'm 013. If that second half doesn't turn around, I'm cooked. Like, I need to win this week and two of the next three weeks. What are you playing? I think I have.

It's very important. Stay with us, folks. Do I figure cooking with Bill? I think I am playing Bill. You've got beard science. Yes, I do have beard science. He's got Mahomes against the Jets D on Sunday night. That'll be nerve-wracking.

Look at this matchup. Yeah. Jack and his Antonio clown taking on Rets simply the breast. Oh, I love an inter-stasy. show week. Brett got a quick 5.6 from Sam Laporta last night. Damn it. I wanted to peel off

LaPorta. I waited too long. Justin Fields. Awful. As we sit right now, in as Jack's starting QB. Who else does he have? He's going to the quarterback there. CJ Stroud. I can't do that. Well, who they playing this week? Stealers. Oh, God.

Such a homer. Stroud has been way better than Fields. He was so good. Way better than Fields. Come on. All year. And then he plays his team nobody won't start. You're going to lose. That's great. Fields is playing against the team that gave up 70 last week. Fields's team might be worse than that team. Oh, but I mean, I agree with you, but the Denver defense should be well rested after not trying for a game. They basically took a buy week to Denver D. Even if Fields gets loose for a couple. Yeah. It might. God, he's looked bad. It's, they, they've looked bad. He's looked bad. Oh, he's got DJ Moore. Now he's fixed. No, he's now just standing in the pocket, deer in the headlights for longer. that's our fantasy update for you. But yes, Betway, get the Betway app on your phone.

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Okay. I love looking at Public Moneyverse. versus the sharps, and these are the three biggest gaps between the two. Tennessee, getting two and a half points at home against struggling Cincinnati and Joe Burroughs tender calf. Vegas against the Chargers. I am a Chargers guy. They can charge their way out of heavy favorites. You're going to let five points to somebody else.

So you've got Jack who won't play somebody because they're against the statement. I'm going all in. I'm hammering. If you bet against the Chargers, you made a lot of money over the last five years. So I'm going to do that again here. And I'm a little scared about this. but I'm following the money. Danny Dimes at home getting a point against a Seattle club

that's been kind of Jekyll and Hyde. It looked really good and really bad at different times this year. And Danny Dimes, they looked at, they were getting Schallack by Arizona down 28-0. They come back and win. We'll see what the Giants are made of at home. That is the Monday nighters.

We won't have a record update until Tuesday. That Seattle defense is no bueno. Yeah. And I don't mind that pick. I think Danny Dimes has a big fantasy night, has a big night. I think he's going to get. get those feet going. He's going to have a good night.

It's been tough for the Giants, right? It's. Yeah. It's Barclay. They have really no receivers to speak. Well, Waller hasn't been great. I thought that would be the, I thought that was such a great pickup. Like, damn, Derry and I still. And you know what?

I still think it is. Yeah. What is it? Wondale Robinson. And that's just not a lot of weapons there for them. All right. So, boy, you don't like your chargers for a guy that is a charger fan. You don't like that.

Oh, they could win that game. But there's no, like they very easily could lose it or just sneak by in ugly fashion like they did it against. Minnesota. So I'm absolutely taking the points in Vegas. Is Garapo playing? He's questionable, but it sounds like a play. He's on track to play is what I'd say. And what was a concussion near the end? Is that what? Limited in practice yesterday, I think is what it was. And in Tennessee, there's big time concern over the big man. Well, and it's not just that they're also working in Taze Sharp a lot. Yeah. And he hasn't been bad. So it's not like in prior years where it's Derek Henry and

a duster. Like this kid's a good player. And so maybe that helps Derek Henry. as the season progressed is not worrying down, but he hasn't looked as dominant. And if they're bad, maybe you trade him. Like he's a guy that if he was on the block, like, boy, that'd be an interesting,

bring that guy in behind a good O line. Two and a half. Yeah. You didn't see enough out of Burrow in the Bengals last week? I mean, they've lost twice and they scraped out a narrow win. I feel like they could scrape out another narrow win.

Gotcha. Those are my picks. All right. My picks. I didn't put, I don't, I mean, sharps or whatever. This is just, I look at these lines and I like these lines. Atlanta at Jacksonville, Jacksonville was terrible last week. Terrible.

However, Calvin Ridley had a big week one, then so soon weeks two and three. I think he's due. Retien is for a revenge game for him, right? Because he was the Atlanta Falcon forever. That's a big spot for Ridley. True. True with that. ETS's been good.

And I think Trevor Lawrence is going to be better. It's a minus three at home for the Jaguars and for Atlanta. Quarterback is no good. it's kind of run or bust. They got Drake London, their pits. Just rotting. It's, yeah. So I'm going to take Jacksonville by the field goal.

Kansas City at the New York Jets. It's minus eight and a half. It feels like a public pick, but I do think that the chiefs are going to wax the jets. It was nine and a half a couple days ago, Dean. I like eight and a half better. I'll tell you that. I don't,

I understand that Simeon is in as the, I don't know if he's playing. I think it's still one more week as. Jack Wilson. I like that pick. This just feels like it's going to be a boat race. And Tampa Bay at Norlands, Tampa Bay plus three and a half. Love the hook of the point five. Yeah, Mayfield's been good. Goofy Mayfield's been all right. Mike Evans has been awesome. Really good. And the run game hasn't been great. What are you, New Orleans? And well, they're going to go with James, right? Is James Winston going to be the guy? He's going to throw touchdowns, but he's also going to throw some picks. I'm going to take, I'm going to take Tampa Bay also revenge game. Let's go look at that Winston. an interception prop, by the way. That's a good reminder. So it's Buccaneers getting three and a half. So my picks, Jags minus three, Chiefs, minus eight and a half,

and the Bucks getting three and a half points. My record through, well, we didn't do them last week, but I'm three and three. We're all three and three. That's easy to remember all four of us. Jack, let's go to yours and then we'll hammer out Rets. Surprise, surprise. I'm on the Steelers. Once again, Houston looked pretty good last week.

They'll come back down to Earth here. Pittsburgh will go in and stomp them. Three and a half is not, or three is not enough points. What were you going to ask? Road favorite. No, I was just a confident guy. Yeah. I like the confidence.

Is it like Rets, bills? Are we just going to see Pittsburgh every single week? They're second in the AFC. How dare you disrespect them? They are second place in the AFC at two and one. How dare you besmirch the good name of the Steelers? But is that the parameters, just regardless every week, it's Steelers? It will be every week.

Okay, good to know. But I'm pretty confident in this one. I'm with you as well. The Jets suck. They can't score at all eight and a half. is not enough points. And then I'm on the opposite of Ryan here. I think Tennessee,

they got blown out by the Browns. The Browns suck. Cleveland sucks. He's the Browns. Is the original rival of the Steelers? He just hates. Well, they're so bad. Are they two and one?

Same as your Steelers? They lost to the Steelers. And you guys all think the Steelers suck. I don't know if that's the case. I just, I like that you think they're really something. Winning the division and thinking they're sucking are two very different things. There's a lot of middle ground where we both exist, I think.

Fair enough. But they blew out. Tennessee, so Tennessee sucks Cincinnati minus two and a half. All right. Yeah. Yeah, I actually, I like the look of that pick, but I am following the money. So I'm, I guess, begrudgingly going with Tennessee. I like that pick.

I'm not, if they get, it's Taji Sharp. I think that they're going to start using him more. Man, I, their quarterback looks clunky right now. Yeah. It's amazing. They're still trotting him out there. But yeah, they get, Jemar Chase got involved. Chase did get involved big time in that second half.

and they won with how many drops from T. Higgins, from T. Higgins. Yeah. I like that pick. I like all those picks. Now our friend Rhett, who is not here, but you know he always,

he's consistent. Dallas is still an every week pick. Because he's got Dak, is his fantasy football. Buffalo is still in every week pick. Because he's a Buffalo fan. It's Dallas at home minus six and a half against New England. I'm always curious what these lines would be

if Dallas didn't get blown out by Arizona last week. Yeah, what this line would be. Yeah, probably, it's probably the full touchdown. This is, and I think I said it the other day. You always, you kind of assess the coaching matchups. I always love when Belichick takes on McCarthy. So he's got the Cowboys minus six and a half.

He is, look at that, all of us holding hands. Kansas City at the Jets, he also likes the Chiefs minus eight and a half. And a lot of eyeballs are going to be on this game. Buffalo at home to the Miami Dolphins. That's going to be a great game. Expected points and just everything is. It was two and a half. is no three. There's money coming in on Buffalo, guys. That's, that intrigues me. Given that

Miami just put up 70, I think we see a huge shoot out here. Miami's D is not good, and they also can put up numbers at will, it seems. Like, I think this is the game of the week. Minus three is where the line sits right now as we, as we do this show. So, Rhett, it wouldn't matter if it was two and a half or whatever. That's, uh, minus three at home for the bills. So he's got the Cowboys chiefs and the Buffalo bills. That way, bet way, bet way, bet they're responsible way. And that's, again, not for Red, but for us, early game, Buffalo Miami on Sunday. 11 a.m. Mountain. Love it.

That's going to be, maybe you get two screens, you get that game featured and then Red Zone on another. You'll be happy. Or if, I mean, if, depending on what you're using, you can do this. You may as well just stay on Reds on my little thing there. You can get, shh. Because I, you know what, especially on Monday nights when they're rolling out these stupid two games at once. Yeah, yeah, you need the two screens. You can split screen on your, through your, I got the little Apple TV, the only thing.

You got to work at relationships. They're not easy. Like, it's always work. You don't just fall in love and it stays easy. I've really been grinding on a three-hour Sunday window, 11 until 2, just to try to have at least two of those three hours with Red Zone, whether that's on a screen of my hand or in front of a TV or at a pub. I'm really working at that.

And I'm trying to find the right give to get that in return. It is hard to pull off. My daughter's ringette team decided that this was the week. We should have a bottle drive. from 11 until 1230 or whatever. I have a truck. I have bottles. They're all at your,

at your disposal if you want them. I will not be there. I'll be in the basement. I will not be available. So good luck. We have kid hockey early morning, then kid baseball, but I've been streaming Red Zone

with cooler in hand in one of those comfy chairs at the baseball game. I'll tell you, the Red Zone thing, we've talked with some people, it's not their thing. And I get that.

I love it more. by the week. Are you a Red Zone guy? Because you are hardcore, or do you just have to watch your game? Where are you on Steelers? I'm all out. I have three games going plus Red Zone.

Oh, that's so good. That's the minimum. We have, we started our fantasy football league in 2000, 2001. I think a predated Yahoo Sports. My buddy was at Princeton. It was like, there's this thing called fantasy football. I'm like, I'm in.

And so this is an ancient league. When Red Zone first happened, it was like, we were all in a room, like, ready, waiting, being like, we've heard about this thing. Because we used to try to do it ourselves. We had the pirate satellite dish at university. You'd write out on all the channels on the pizza box.

Someone's on the web like, oh, it looks like Minnesota's close. Cole pepper to moss and you're jumping around channels. They're like they basically, what we were trying to McGiver, they've perfected. It's unbelievable. Yeah.

And I know as it got popular, remember the NHL network tried to do that. Yeah. For baseball, there's what, diamond surfing. Yeah. So they did that.

And then they didn't hot. But the thing is there's, you can go a long time without there being goals. And even so when a goal, it's like, oh, okay, so it's one nothing. It's not the same as a touchdown in football. Yeah. It's the best. With games on the one day.

That morning window, when there's nine, 10, 11 games, it is the best. So good. Pinder report, rip through it. Have you not done it yet? No. Christ. We can hustle. Because I'm hungry.

We were talking about sandwiches and Frank's going to eat. God damn it. Let's just watch the drive-thru video and call it a video. Do you that? Yeah, sure. Well, and honestly, we have talked about a lot of this stuff. Yeah, there's like three things I want to touch. Well, we got to do it because, I mean, it's Village Honda.

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MSRP is major really sexy price. That's right. It's a major. Really sexy, sexy price. I think that's what it sounds for. Really. We start with Calgary Flames News. We'll rip through it. Rasmus Anderson. How's this of a vote of confidence for the new captain of the Calgary Flames?

Anderson was a candidate himself saying to Julian McKenzie. In my opinion, it should have happened a few years ago. Love to see it. Noah Haniffin also chatted with Julian. He was doing some good work yesterday at training camp. Here's Noah on his future, one of still five free agents this coming summer. It's been great so far. Okay.

This is a very different vibe. Remember when everyone was going to leave? Okay. One back and another guy saying, I might be too. Okay. And it's not, it's not like Julian doing great work. Yeah. Again, it's not as O'Hanuffin would come out and say, you know, Julian.

Me. Well, but the Lindholm comments have been more, ma'am. Fair, yeah, fair enough. Like, it's all just tone and we're reading between the lines. But, like, if you had heard this in June, you'd be like, what? He hasn't been traded yet? Right? And I do think, like, to Frank's point, coming back and the air tasting better and loving being at the rink,

that was a hard place for these guys to be mentally last June when all the shit at the family. I tried to set the trap there. I set the bait for the Julian bubbles thing and you didn't take it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Julian's trying to get in there Do these one-on-ones at camp The drinking stand can't be drinking

In the rake jewels Freck and leave all over us The lineup tonight It is a game day Boy we've talked about it a lot What a monster game Battle of Alberta preseason edition I'm sure it's McDavid and company

Or it's Brett Kulak and Xavier Burgo Okay either way Dan Vladar will get the start And Greg McCaig Greg McCaig with an officer for a arm and a leg for a leg uh it'll be as i said bladarinet a rather veteran look at that blue line oh look at hanserson tannap anna hanifin ostrich that's four your top six going tonight

ube's in backlinson sharing govitch is in coleman lindholm dubay coronado that's a veteran line up my friend look who's wearing the 23 over for the oilers tonight two three who's that i can't see too good who's that dead it's gonna be a journey forward says griffis says griffiths from a CESQarvis. There's your lineup. 7 o'clock start at the dome. I do a few oil or honks that'll be there thinking that potentially Pacific Division final preview. I know huge stakes tonight.

Yeah. Boy, they're going to miss McDavid. And you'll notice them if they're at the ring. Is that right? Yeah. You'll hear and see them. Yep. Bad news for the tabby lightning yesterday.

Andre Vasselowski. Uh, surgery. Oh, but don't worry. It's just a herniated disc in his back. Oh, that actually sounds awful. expected to miss the first two months of the regular season. Two months. I feel like that could be important.

Well, everyone was kind of already like hedging bets with Tampa being like, I don't know. They really kept waiting for them to look at the switch last year. I don't know that they ever did. And it's tough to imagine this team winning with maybe, as Frank said, the worst backup in the league, Eunice Johansson.

So what could they do for Capspace? Like, let's see what, I mean, let's get to find a goalie. This is our boys at Puckpedia. If they send the right people down and go short and do this and massage that and maneuver this, 2.2 million they could free up. Johnny Goley is to make 2.2 million. I believe I do, actually.

It's weird that's the number. Oh, look at that. There's Dan Bladar, 2.2 million. And he's starting tonight. Unbelievable. If there's any Tampa Scouts in the building. And you know what? Such a nice guy.

Lovely. Very tall. So polite. Yes, good nickname. Manner. Vilar. Yeah. okay i mean you just uh let us know where we need to fax this thing loves warmer climbs get it done

doesn't mind humidity we'll take a 20 25 second rounder dean thank you connie got it done let's get correct the text con right well Connie's wife can tell kregg that'd be great thank you uh will move steos the assumed next gm of the emminton oilers maybe just a year ago is gone so he was a both wasn't he flame great there's not many both he and steve smith he and steve smith and Milan Lucci. Fierzy. Fiercy. Glens Cross.

Glennie was too. You're right. Schmead. God, you're on fire right now. This is a heater. Horac. Oh! Was Horac?

No, I don't think so. You're on a heater. Lombo. Jared Stolled. Did those count? They didn't play. They were draft swaps. Steve Steyos is not going to be the next door.

He was correct. L'Abrezwa. L'Areswa is correct. He is the new president of hockey operations for the Ottawa senators Michael Andlero. The billionaire has been tight ties with this guy. I believe they've won a bunch together in junior hockey.

He's coming to the big club. And Pierre Dorian, why is the temperature so warm in your office? Sir, did you know the thermostat's right here? Oh, that's you. That's not the thermostat. You're setting yourself on fire.

A little pressure there on Mo Piero, the rebuild is over two years ago? I don't know. It's done a good job, kind of, but we'll see here. They will be, you know what? I'm excited to watch them. be fun to watch. They will be fun to watch. And God,

if you actually found a way to make people care about the Ottawa senators, God, good love you. That Snoop Dog was in the jersey. I mean, it's true, yeah. Although maybe he's sour. As long as you believe Corpusallo is a good goalie, I mean, it's clear they're a playoff team. There was a time we thought Corpus Allen was a good goal. It was in the bubble against Toronto when he and

Merz Likins were basically unbeatable for a week and a half against Toronto. Knocked him off. AL NL Wildcard, quickly looking. There's only three days left in the Major League Baseball season. There's Toronto. Seattle walked off Texas in the ninth, erasing a deficit at home. Jay's magic number was at two.

Could have been one, if not for that walkoff for Seattle. Those series continue with Texas in Seattle tonight. That's an 8-10 start. Seattle slightly favored. Toronto opens a three-gamer with Tampa Bay. Aaron Savalley will throw for the raise. It is Yusay Kukuchi getting bumped up, not Ryu going tonight. A victory would reduce that magic number to one.

And then if you got a Texas win tonight, it could be all wrapped. The opposite would make things very tense. October baseball. Love to see it. Even if you're, you saw baseball so many games. I kind of like baseball. When October hits, you can crank up your love of the game of baseball because it's so great. It is 100% true.

Cavalry FC in action tonight, Dino. They are the champs. They've won the regular season, but the playoffs still loom and they got two parties left at home. Go celebrate the fellas. this fifth season. They punch your ticket to Concorda Calf Tournament in 2024. These are their final two regular season games. They are both at home.

They will celebrate with the trophy next Saturday. Tonight, it's Valor. Go show the fellas in love. It'll be beautiful. It's Bruce Meadows. The leaves are turning. Yes. Goodness.

What a night to be. Kick the horses out. Let the soccer players in. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah, just sweep up after the horses. Yeah. Watch your step.

That'll be fun tonight. Good luck to the fellas. What a great season they've had. Playoffs loom. It's going to be good. And Rider Cup this morning was all Europe. And I mean all Europe. For nothing in the morning matches, the afternoon matches,

I believe we're ongoing right now. Americans don't win in Europe. They're too rude. They talk too loud. You can't be ordering meat on salads. Please settle down Americans. Sad a thing? Big thing?

Major to stand for Americans. It's not a Cobb salad unless I got bacon on there. You can't order salads in many states without meat and cheese. on meat. This is not a salad. You've added some greens to meats and cheese. Fair enough. Yeah, it's a charcuttery with lettuce.

Lettuce. Yeah. Iceberg. So it's all Americans early in that one. And finally, a couple to go. We will, the last one, actually, isn't it, Jack? Speaking of Europe versus America, I don't think we have to guess where in the world this is. Let's have a watch as a drive-thru window goes wrong somewhere in the world, Dean.

We can't just to say where it is. There's a No. I'm a for sure. In the vehicle. Done? Oh my gosh.

Dang. Dang. No. Yeah. All you guess. Where in the world up? That's the window and a large people and a truck. Oh my gosh.

If you said Bosnia, you're correct. Jack. On the jack. On the jack. Jack in the box. That's Pender part. careful in those drive-thru windows. We're going to need to have an employee review after this.

I mean, this person, we're really going to need to sit down and go over. I don't know how long you have to sit down. In fact, you can just probably walk, get up and leave. Your employment here. Yeah, you're gone. God, almighty. There you go.

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Man, do we have a show today. What a show. Jeez, you must be exhausted. I'm beat. God, starving. You glad you left house? Not particularly, because I mean those guys. Star.

I don't know. I want to tell you about the Griegle. Got to tell you a little bit about the Griegle. Of course, happy to be partnered up with Grey Eagle Resort and Casino. We're going to be out there right away. I think maybe as soon as next week. We are.

We are. There's stuff coming up. Nikki Glazer. Funny, funny comedian. She's doing the event center as well. Zizi Top. I think air supply is there tonight.

Hum-a-la-la-la-la. You got a love team? I think that's air supply. Find out tonight, go to Ticketmaster. See, I get those tickets and find out if that's, in fact, where it is. But in the casino, they have some amazing giveaways that they get going from time to time. Contests and check out the one they got here now. And they don't want to pigeonhole you.

Maybe you're not a car person. Maybe it's not your thing. $100,000 or a brand new Corvette. That's right. So how this is working. And every reason I bring it up today. They're taking qualifiers. They took qualifiers in July,

qualifiers in August. Saturday, another 20 qualifiers are going to go in. So it's Saturday night. If you got no plans, go by the Griegel, have a lily out, get in there. And then coming up in October,

October 6th, all the qualifiers are going to come in, and someone is going to win. The grand prize, the brand new 3LTZ-51-C-151 Corvette. You'd be okay with that, wouldn't you? I'd be just fine with that, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I'd have to really. given that I don't have any income because of this, I'd have to really kind of convince my wife that the 100 grand is way worse than a new Corvette. Just drive one of those ride share companies. You can zip around your car, get paid. So there you go. This weekend, even more reason to get to the Great Eagle Resort and Casino on the beautiful Satina Nation,

the event center and the casino, lots of stuff. And yeah, we're looking forward to getting back over there, doing stuff over at the stage bar, maybe get you drunk and dancing on top of it again. I would never get over. on that stage bar and join a band singing, especially if I was looking like an idiot wearing a sequin blazer.

You'd never do it. You would never do it. Have a fine weekend, everybody. We are back Monday. Is there anything next? What's good? Weekend? Well, we'll see.

It's tomorrow, by the way. Oh, yeah, we're going to be horse racing. You already talked about it, but don't forget about that. Yeah, we're going to be racing horses. Pinders going to be on the back. One of those horses, there you see it. And then next week, we're going to wrap up this preseason stuff.

We're going to get a team. We're going to, you know, make some cuts. and get after it because we're very close. October, as you mentioned, begins this weekend. You got the Dryden Hunt jersey at the order? Number 15. When you got that number in training camp, Simon, Jackman, Hunt, with great expectations come number 15.

Did he say, was it Hunt or what did he, felt like you threw with something in there? Haram, right. Watch your mouth. Watch your mouth. Have a great weekend, everybody. Support the sponsors, subscribe and like on the YouTube, get the podcast, wherever podcasts are sold.

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