Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Friday Morning With Stephen Brunt & Darren Dreger | FN Barn Burner - April 26th, 2024

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

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Hi, everyone. How are we doing? Welcome to Friday. Welcome to Barnburner. It's, uh, it's your favorite. Former radio show turned into podcast that, uh, is, is in Calgary. And, and Buffalo. And Buffalo. Yeah. I'm willing to bet you we are the only podcast globally that comes out of Buffalo and Calgary talking hockey. I'm not going to bet you on that, Dean. I trust you. I think that's good until. I'm not going to take it back. I'm going to throw it out there until someone has data because you know how I am. That's right.

Show me numbers, man. Show me actual hard data that can confirm or deny something. But of course, the more important thing is we got a big show today. It's Friday. Friday is Hawaiian shirt day. So, you know, if you want to, go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. And jeans. Now, Rhett, you held this up in the pre-show, and you're holding it up again.

This is, it looks to me like that's the base. That's the busted base. I thought that was chew at first, but that's not at all. So what's usually there? Can you flip it? Can you flip it? It's busted. Because I have, I have the very same thing.

I don't know how it would have broken that way. Well, I leaned on it, Dean. Leaned on it. And it snapped the whole thing. Things worse than your shoulders. That's grumb. Wow, how about that? I was doing my swear pushup, and then one of my donkeys pushed on my back and nearly broke my shoulder.

I see. Good, good, yeah. So he got a swift kick in the ass. How old square push-ups going? Are you feeling some massive gains in the shoulders? Our moves are shrinking. And your vocabulary is getting better, or are you just swearing just as much and just getting ripped now? Oof, who, both.

Jack. So, Jack. So, Jack. Well, we have a very busy show. I do. I mean, rather than, you know, putts around, let's get to it. A couple games in the playoffs last night. We'll call it some opening statements for McLeod Law,

our buddy Peter Klein over at McLeod Law, personal injury guy, but you knew that already. He's also the go-to guy for your disability insurance claim if the disability insurance company will not pay you those benefits that you need. You've been off work, you've been injured. Come on now. Peter is going to get those benefits that you paid for and that you deserve. and with it a little bit of peace of mind.

The very best in the business, it's McLeod Law, some opening statements. We can start with, well, we can start wherever we want, I suppose. Both series look like they're going to be over early. It's the drama. There is none. I had very high hopes for this battle of Florida.

You sure did. And like whoever wins it, whatever, I just saw six or seven and nastiness and two teams that hated each other. Just really, what I've seen, hasn't really played out that. way. It looks like one team just is poised in big moments

and the other can't make the play and Bob's outplayed Vasilevsky. Yeah, to a wide margin. And I don't even, that's part of it. It's not the only thing but that's certainly part of it. Well, and what, three one goal losses, right? The overtime, the game won and then last night. Like it's weird. I was the tiger. I have the tiger.

One team wants it. One team's had it. Yeah. And it's funny because you'd be like, wow, this one team's won everything before and the others. I was just a fluky run. But it's like, Florida looks like the poised group, not Tampa. It hasn't been Stamcoast. It's been a problem. He had half their goals in the series.

He's got a goal every game. He scored. Holy shit. So it's not him. Yeah. So the 5-3 with the empty netter, Panthers up three games to none. And for the lightning,

oh, for four in the power play last night. Now they had a disallowed goal on an offside. That hurts. Hit a goal post in the second. That hurts. But when Mott scored in the second, that's the first lead that they'd had in the series.

Tough to win a series when you don't have the lead for any amount of time. There again. You got to win a lot of overtime games if that's how you're going to play. Six straight playoff loss for the lightning at home and for the lightning, or for sorry, the Panthers. Just another road win. Remember last year, eight and four away from home on route to the final. Yeah.

So tack up another one and they get a chance to add another one in a couple of nights time. So there you have it. 3-0-0 lead for the Panthers. First Stanley Cup finalist to start the following postseason with three straight wins since the Oilers in 84. Yeah. That's usually that, you know, it's the hang-all. You played so much hockey, whatever it is. Panthers have not slowed down.

I feel like if the hangover is really just missed the playoffs. We saw that for a while too. You lose the final and you're just burnt. You don't make it. That stat feels like people just reaching trying to. to find a stat. Well, it's been since 1984, so. Right. But it's like,

a Stanley Cup finalist hasn't gone out to a three. No, I'm not saying it's not real. It's just, yeah, it does feel obscure, right? Okay. I'll look at the numbers back if you'd like. Can you help them take that stat back? What have you got,

um, AIing this show. Anybody else got anything else? Um, and it looks like a real shit kicking for, uh, Tampa Bay here, Dean. that's sure does. My take on.

Okay. Yeah, and I wonder where they're at. Like, Circachev, we heard some rumors while we might come back for the playoffs. That's obviously not happening now. He's, you need a lot more time than around one, which they're in big trouble in. They kind of stopgapped some issues at the deadline

with Declare and Dumba, but I mean, this is kind of the, their window to contend. And now it's a couple of years in a row where they go on. Yeah, prediction. This will be the, well, now Stamco's is a free agent and, you know, is this, is it finally over? Is the window closed?

That will be the whole thing for the tab. Yeah. In a year where one of their players wins the scoring race. Right. Yeah. And they were with a line, goal. Yeah.

And I said, I think you said it the other day. I think there are other teams that could and will lose to the Panthers the way they're presently equipped. Agreed. They're a good team. That's, there's not going to be much shame if you lose in this team. I wonder where Vasilevsky's at. He just doesn't feel like he's been a top five goal in the last couple years.

He had the big injury, missed the start of the year. Last year in the playoffs got out dueled. It's been two years where he seems to be like maybe not in that elite top three to five class anymore, where I think he's been supplanted by the Hellebuck Demko, Sorokan Shosturkin crew. That's a big piece. He's been the second best goalie every night. That was never the case when this team won cups. Yeah, that's the why it's damn near impossible to just keep doing it.

You look at the team, the talents there, the abilities there, they haven't turned over. They're not short, high-end players. It's hard to do. Yeah, it is. It's hard to do. Like, it's quite a statement to make, but you look at tapping, oh, yeah, they're going to, you have to have the edge mentally. And I'm sorry, after you've won a few, you aren't going to have it.

That's human nature. Yeah, and I'm a psychologist. And you know, this year in, he started 52 games, 2.9 goals against and a 900. Last year, 60 starts, 2.65 and a 915. They're not terrible numbers, but then you go back a few, well, 2.21 and a 925. I mean, it's when you set the bar that high and then you don't reach it, it. And when you win a cup, those numbers, those incrementals are the difference, right? Those aren't bad numbers two years ago.

Well, that, but compared to when they won, it's not the same. Yeah. Because we, sorry, we've talked about it already. Those, the slow starts in games one and game two. 82 games, well, fucking iron it out. Playoffs against a really good team, it's hard to absorb. Down one nothing every night, right? Yeah.

Tough. so sounds like we've written them off sounds like it's over at three oh yeah i think we have yeah feels like it's kind of do you see what our guest thinks about their chances here or well i don't know well maybe he's paying attention maybe he's not i don't know i'm waiting for my text do we get text all right there it is 10 minutes ago yeah uh i don't like going in i i need to be in the program the other way it's just not uh it's not gonna it's just YouTube, Dean, don't worry about it. Near the end of the show yesterday, sad news came down

in the hockey world you knew was going to mourn, and we continue to mourn as Bob Cole, the legendary voice of hockey night in Canada, and you can strip it away. Just for our generation, the voice of hockey, passing away, and just a little bit of love for some Bob Cole here right now. Up to center and coming in as Louvre,

Bill and Dike Cinerdett. McDonald's scores. Danny McDonald's. You've done it, Lanny. You've done it. Here's looking. The center penalty coming up. Does it better?

Nobody has done it faster. I got choked up. I was thinking about it. Every Canadian team, and beyond that, every one of them has at least one signature Bob Cole, if not two or three. And when, I guess when you do the job that well for that long, you're going to have that kind of an impact.

our next guest was lucky enough to spend some real quality time with Bob Cole. The book, Now I'm Catching On, My Life on and Off the Air by Bob Cole, penned by longtime friend, Stephen Brunt, who joins us here on the show. Stephen, how nice? This is a real treat. I wish it was under better circumstances, of course, as they say, but it is good to see your face. and hear your voice, pal, how you've been? Yeah, it's been a long time, man. You must have lost my number, right?

And for no real reason. I'm a freelancer. I can do it anytime. I can do anything with anybody. Well, see, I don't know the legal, how that works. I don't want to get people upset, but people have been clamoring for you to come on the show. You're everybody, people are already, the chat is going crazy here.

People are pumped to see you. We'll get to Bob, not to push that to the back burner, but how you been? What's life been for Stephen Broad? It's been, man, two years, I think, since we've caught up. Yeah, well, it's, yeah, I think, yes. It's been almost two years since I was last in my former gig, and I've tried to remember what the timing was for you guys. So, yeah.

Similar, yes. Similar. We're kind of on the same timeline. No, life is good. You know, working on a bunch of projects, some of which are kind of invisible because they have to be legally. And some fun stuff doing things I want to do. And otherwise, still living my life, going fishing, going out to Newfoundland, about a month.

And, yeah, all as well. Rett's going to need some fishing details. Where are we at? How's our fishing game? It's out there to catch a few, some bonefish? I think it's bone fish. Yeah, I was down in, I was in Belize. And I was in Little Cayman for a bit.

And I'm going down to Florida tarp and fishing in a couple of weeks down to Alamara in the Keys. So, yeah, like, yeah, that's... No one doesn't care. I promise, you know, eventually you have to work to pay for all this stuff, right? So I'm trying to kind of, the work-life balance. I'm way on the life side right now. So I got to figure this one out. Yeah, it all balances out, Steve.

And I mean, at this point, I think it's all going to work itself out for sure. So I guess take us back the, because you've done, you've done a lot of works, a lot of books, favorites of all of our, I mean, we've talked a lot of, about the Ali book. We've talked about, you know, Jordan Tootoo and your trips up to. Bob Yard. Up north, Bobby R. You've, you've done some incredible work and we're incredible fans. Give us the timing, the, I guess, the point of the career for Bob, obviously, it's getting near the end. You get, I guess, a little bit introspecting. When you put out a book of your life, you probably feel like, oh, we're around and third, maybe time to put a book together. Give us the timeline on when.

And then how it came together. I got to say with Bob. I don't think you ever thought he was round and third. Okay. Bob right up until his dying breath probably thought he should have been on Hockey Night and Canada, to call him the games. He did not surrender easily. Look, I knew Bob from being around the press box for a lot of years when I was at the Globe

and then later with Sportsnet, obviously, but mostly when I was at the globe, and I would see him and talk to him. And he knew about, you know, when I started spending part of my life. and his beloved home province in Newfoundland. You know, we talked about that a lot, and we knew a lot of people in common in Newfoundland. And, you know, I always liked Bob, and Bob liked me. And I say that last part, because I don't think you liked everybody.

You know, he was kind of, he was a character, and a bit of a cantankerous guy, kind of did things his own way. But I really did, I really did like Bob. And we did some stuff. We shot some stuff with him at SportsNet around the time, before his departure from hockey night but around that kind of career retrospective stuff. So we shot the producer, George Gutakas and I went out to St. John's

and we shot a long form interview with him and we went to his house and did some things. So I spent a fair bit of time around Bob later in his career. And he started telling me the stories, the non-hockey part. And again, the other thing is if somebody's a Newfoundlander, like Bob had a whole other life out there before hockey. Like he was the first guy to read the news on television in Newfoundland. You know, television came late to Newfoundland.

So this is way before hockey. And he was the host of Reach for the Top in Newfoundland, which was a big deal, apparently in Newfoundland. So people out there knew him on an entirely different level. And he had all these, you know, he'd gone off and sailed, went on a steamship, a passenger ship leaving St. John. When he was like 13 years old, worked on a ship sailing the Caribbean. and he, you know, it was a curler.

He curled in two briars for Newfoundland. As the skip. Yeah, it was a skip. He was a coxsw in the rowing race, the Royal St. John's Regatta, the guy with the megaphone. He ran a fish plant at one point. He ran a fish plant while he was on hockey night in Canada.

He would go home in the summer and run his fish plant. So there's a lot of, you know, Bob's stories and, you know, obsessive Frank Sinatra fan and salmon fishermen, fly, great fly fisherman for salmon, love to fish. So, yeah, we talked about it and I, you know, kind of person, I didn't have to twist his arm too much. And, but I thought there was a book there. And then I hung out with him a lot to get that book done. And, you know, a lot of it out in St. John's in his hometown. So, uh, yeah, I, look, I loved him.

Um, and this aside from how great he was as a play by playman doing hockey. Like, I, you know, there's other guys who have been really good, you know, and historically, you know, Danny Gallivan, who was a big friend of Bob's, obviously, Danny Gallivan was great. and, you know, people go back and talk about Foster Hewitt and the guys who do it now are really good, too. But, you know, there's a genius in the way Bob did the game and called games that I was just listing those clips that you ran, you know, a lot of them in the last couple of days. And the beauty of what he does, and I think it's underappreciated is the fact that, you know, hockey doesn't stop. You know, stops for faceoffs and stops like that. But it's a game that flows.

And it's not like he knew that Mario was going to do that. Exactly. And the fact that he could anticipate something that was about to happen and kind of raise the emotion and raise his voice and build the excitement and then nail it in the moment. Like his calls and big goals like the Joe Sackett goal in 2002 at the Olympics. Again, it's not like he knew Joe Sacki was going to score the goal that clinched the Olympic gold medal for Canada. But he pulled that out of himself. You know, and it's like baseball, there's lots of time to think about it. Football, there's lots of time to think about it.

you know hockey you've got to kind of be in the flow when you always talked about feel and flow that that's what it was all about that's what foster he had taught him and i think it's true you know i think no one's ever done that better than bob yeah there would be technically stronger in terms of the exes and those and identification and maybe talking about systems but bob was the artist not the technician right like what he did yeah that's that's that's that's that's bang on right like it's it wasn't about the information can be although i got to tell you he was meticulous like in terms of notes and, you know, prep and talking to coaches and getting the lines and especially the pronunciation of names.

Like he was obsessive about getting that right. He spent time unsuccessfully. You know, he used to try to convince Zach Parisi to pronounce his name the way his dad pronounced it. Right. I heard a story from a guy who was working color with him and it was during a break and he's in the producer's ear. Dominic, is it La Chance?

or Lechance because the guy in Nordiques he's Lechance and this guy is Lechance somebody find this out for me and man we would Dominic we would do we still do the Dominic to try it we still have that that kind of thing so to hear that he was a stickler

for pronunciation that hits home for me after all yeah and you better not mess with it right like he took that stuff anybody who kind of crossed him like Bob Bob was a bit of a ferocious character in his own way. There are some stories back in his youth about, you know, some confrontations he had with people. He had kind of, he was strong, too, like a physically, I know he's kind of not a big guy, but he had kind of crazy strength.

Like there was one story about somebody, I forget why the guy, what he was pissed off about, but he was pissed off about something, where him sitting in a car and reaching out through the window to somebody who was annoying him and pulling the guy into the car through the window and you know, laying a beating on him. So, yeah, he didn't want to, you didn't want to mess with Bob. Even when he was, you know, 85 years old, you didn't want to mess with him.

Sure. Yeah, you know, and it was back in, again, going back in the old days when I was at the rink all the time and you'd be working the games and all of that, it was always a big thing. And for us, it was never, oh, hockey night and Canada's in town tonight. You know, it was never that.

It was Bob Coles in the house tonight. And there was, so there was, there was Don Cherry and you, Dawn never really left Toronto until the playoffs. And Bob was generally in Toronto. But man, Bob Cole's in the house. You knew it was a game that night if Bob Cole was in town. Well, and he would bring it, right? Like, there weren't a lot of dull games when Bob called him.

Yeah. Even if they were dull, you know, he brought a level of entertainment to the games. He, again, very, you know, he's a very quirky dude, right? Like the guys who worked with him on color, like Harry Neal obviously was kind of the best of those, I think. They really worked very well together. And he kind of was a great counterpoint for Bob with his sense of humor.

But yeah, if you work color with Bob and you stepped on something he was trying to say or you ignored him when he gave him the high, you know, he's the highman, right? Yes. Stick out his hand and say, okay, you can see him in one of those clips sticking out his hand. That's shut up. So he was, he was very partial to, you know, color guys who knew when to shut up and let it. breathe. And Bob was very good at at letting it breathe.

You know, not just what he said sometimes, but it's in the moments when he chose not to say anything. That's hard, right? If you're being paid to talk. And, but yeah, you, not the, I say, if you kind of worked on Bob's terms, he was probably great, but if you didn't, he would be a very hard guy to work with. Yeah. I was saying yesterday, and it's

with Newfoundland and the same Peter Marr, the longtime radio voice of the flames, he'd have the same thing. And I remember that was for me to sit in the press box, one of the first times and just kind of watch people how what does the game look like from up there it's i'm watching peter i spend i'm half on the game half watching him kind of do his thing and when they would score the hand would go up the flames you know the whole thing you'd go through and then he would bring it down and that was mike rogers okay you're you're free to go you can start now so it's it's

you know it's an art it's a very strange art for him it's um and you know you know you can tell some you know some guys have an act for it some guys don't it's I think, and again, this goes back to what you were saying, Ryan, really. You can call a game accurately and, you know, there's a lot, and again, there's lots of great play-by-play guys out there. But at a certain level, it's kind of, it's like when Ernie Harwell was doing baseball or, you know, one of those, or Vince Cully, for sure. At that point, it's like music, right?

It's like a musician improvising. It's like a jazz musician, you know? And I think with Bob, that's the level it was at. yeah i do too it's a great point that i think you nailed it pender because you think about it from a musician standpoint there will be some people who will be a better pianist or a better guitar player or whatever you know better singer than bob dillon but you know bob dillan pretty pretty popular and neil young not didn't have the best pipes in the world but yet but yet there he was i think it's tough too because it's a it's a business where much like there's so there's now 32 teams but to

to do hockey night and cat there's very few of those jobs. And from the day Bob Cole would have taken over, there's somebody trying to take his job. And there's another young guy every year, every two years, every five years, there's another crop of young broadcasters who were coming through and coming through. And he was, and it's no disrespect to any of the Chris Cuthbert, I think is fantastic. He's one of my favorites. And Jim Houston, you think of all the guys that came along. But none of them were Bob Cole. And even near the end, I still felt, Like he may miss something or the name might not be right, but no one brings energy to the game

and makes the game sound and feel more exciting than Bob Cole. To be undisputed, still the best at your craft after so long. There's not many parallels to that, I don't think. Well, you know, and boom, you know, he used to do, even like in that last season, he was still checking, he had air checks. Like, he'd bring his, he'd listen to his games after he'd go home to Newfoundland and try and see, you know, what did I, you know, how did I do? Like he was still doing air checks.

And I got to say one thing, because now that I'm on affiliate, I can say these things. You know, when Rogers bought the rights, when they bought Hockey Night and Canada, one of the mistakes they made, I think, and you can say that, you know, hockey night and Canada at that point needed a bit of a refresh, right? That's, I'm not saying that it didn't maybe need a little bit of oxygen pumped into it. But, you know, they bought a 60-year-old Canadian cultural institution. And then they, you know, they didn't quite. know what, you know, they had a bunch, they had people in the house who kind of wanted to,

you know, who resented it, right? They kind of, you know, peed on the old institution, right? They, they wanted, you know, they just wanted to change it because we're, you know, we're, you know, we're, we're not the CBC and that's, you know, the people on the outside always resented hockey night, right? Because hockey night was the great Saturday night thing. And part of that what they got for their money was Bob. And, you know, cherry as well.

This would have also applied to kind of the way that they worked, you know, and again, I'm not going to go back over Cherry's firing, but when they tried to kind of bring him to heal, right? They said, okay, we're going to, you know, we're bigger than, you know, we're bigger than the institution. We're bigger than Don Cherry. But with Bob, you know, obviously he was late, it was late career and he was, you know,

and he wasn't, you know, he made mistakes that he wouldn't have made when he was a 60-year-old. But, you know, I don't think they valued him. they don't they didn't value what they had like there should have been you know and bob now bob resisted retirement talk tributes you know he wanted to work and you know he left kicking and screaming and every year after he was gone i get you know he would be watching those games and thinking i should be there you know i should be calling when jim houson came over and you know part of his deal was he got the stanley cup finals like bob thought he should be calling the stanley cup finals because he's bob cole you know

and he's done it forever and he's the guy And I think that they should have, they should have valued him more and valued his history more and valued what he meant to people more rather than saying, you know, out with the old and with the new, it's time for change. You know, I think he was disrespected. And I say some of that's behind the scenes. It's all behind the scenes.

But I, you know, and I say, Bob's cantankerous guy, not the easiest guy to work with, wasn't going to go out, you know, like meekly like a lamb and take his retirement tour and then, like, that's not him. Yeah. But man, you know, that's, I know, I see all the tributes now on sports and then, you know, that's great. But. Be great if he were here to see them.

I was here today. Yeah. I was here today. Yeah. It'd be really cool if he could see the outpouring of emotion and love for this guy. And it's, and it's all sincere, right? I don't get the, oh, I didn't really like, oh, that's, yeah, I think people, when you get emotional from hearing those. calls. And Rhett, you will know this. The other thing that was always cool when Bob was in the

building, and you would have seen more of it probably Stephen if you were at, you know, that he was in Toronto all those times. But when when Bob would walk by under in the bowels of the rink, players would come out to show the risk. They, they would want to Mr. Cole. I'm Mr. Red Warner. I'm who. Right. And of course he knows who they are because he's the play by play guy. But Reto, you would have seen that all the time. That's what makes me emotional is knowing those moments because they did happen. They did the the respect

that certain guys had downstairs from calling it so professionally and so well and painting those pictures that we got to be part of an enjoy, but without those voices, everyone else, it's not the same, right? Yeah, the scenery is the same, but the picture's not the same. And they did.

There's certain guys that watch. walked around downstairs and you said it when bob cole was in the building you damn well knew bob cole was in the building you were pumped to know it yeah from a broadcast step from from our side and from the player's side it was a big thing and and and all of this is going to sound like it's a shot but i do think there's a lot of very good broadcast there's a lot of good play by play guys but your point is so in baseball you've got a lot of time and i think a lot of you can prepare you can know when a moment is coming. There's a lot, it feels like it's contrived.

There's some, you know, put that in, you know, there's just stuff that's already pre-planned and that's their signature. And Bob Cole was never trying to be part of the event. He was never, I'm going to nail this call with this phrase that's going to be legendary. That was never, Joe Sackick scores, surely, that's got to be it. That's not planned. It's in our, in our brains. forever, but it was simple, and it's what we were all, we were hoping and surely,

God, please, surely that's got to be it, right? All of those calls, I don't know that there's anything that's overly eloquent, but they're there for the rest of time and they're perfect. Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny. Of course, you know, people like, one of the things Bob hated were people doing Bob Cole impressions, by the way. So anybody that come up to them and start obeying them, man, it bugged them.

but he but he also he didn't ever want to talk about the old baby right because it wasn't a catchphrase like you think now that that's one of those things well okay you know i'm going to wait to throw out my you know and we all know guys who have those right where they it's like they you know put their patent on it right they want to make t-shirts but bob you know like bob's oh babies you know they didn't happen as often as you think they did but when they did they came from here somewhere it wasn't like you thought man i better put you know one of my tags on it because it's it goes back to the idea that that he wasn't the show. And I know he was part of the show.

If you listen to those clips, like, you know, that he is part of the show. But he wanted to kind of, Foster told him, you know, years ago when he, you know, he actually kind of cold called on Foster Hewitt at the radio station in Toronto. Foster had no idea who he was, some guy from Newfoundland. And Foster listened to his tape and talked to him. And he said, if people leave the game, if people, turn off the game and they're talking about the game and how great it was and they don't mention you, you've done your job. And I think that's how Bob thought of his role. I know that's how he thought of his role. That, you know, we're talking about those games and those great goals and those moments and those great players. And, you know, and again, it's great that Bob is getting the credit that he deserves for what he did. But, you know, Bob would want you talking about Mario and Joe Sackick and Gretzky and Lanny. and not about him.

Because that's, that's, that to him is how you define the job. It's funny. You mentioned that sort of transitional period where sports net gets a 12 year national rights exclusivity, the monopoly.

Ah, we're going to reinvent hockey night. They sort of lease CBC's airtime. Ron McLean sent out and dust it off as if he's done. Didn't take long to realize like, okay, like he's sort of in that Bob class. When he talks,

he just, it's poetry, it's rhymes. It's, the mayor of Chilliwack and, you know, this hook from a tragically hip song. those it all together.

Look, I was always a huge Jim Husson guy, and I thought that was your, your tactician, your technically sound broadcaster who would make zero mistakes. And Bob was the artist, but Bob was making more mistakes. Like, that's a really tough spot to put someone in, because what can Jim Housen do more

when he doesn't make any mistakes ever, and Bob's misidentified something, yet has this, he can do the whole symphony thing. Like, that's a hell of a spot to be in. And I think they blew it on the host, but I understood that sort of battle of who's going to be our lead play by play guy. Like it wasn't prime Bob when that occurred. Yeah, I think you're right. And, you know, and again, it was tough, you know, it was not Jim's fault that they, that he got the gig.

He got the gig on merit. Yes. You know, as you say, he never made a mistake. He was, you know, technically perfect play by play guy. And call it some great moments and great games himself, right? And Bob was, you know, 80-something years old, right? Like, so yeah, there's got to be a transition there. And I understood that.

You know, I remember saying to the guys, somebody at Sportsnet saying, like, why don't you, you know, do a dozen Bob Cole games a year, original six matchups or something like that, or Canadian matchups or something where it's got a little bit of an identity, you know. And I'm not saying go all throwback and, you know, wear powder. blues and all that, but, but something. Just, you know, why don't you take the asset you have and make the best of it and, you know, it exploited in a way, right? Because you own it. You own this brand. And rather than just kind of saying, you know, we're going to cut you down to this

memory games and this number games and then you're going to disappear and see you, you know, nice to have you tribute, you know, nice the player saluted you. Yeah, I think there was a way you could have bridged it where Bob could have retained you know, dignity is the wrong word because, you know, but I think that there was a way that they could have maybe made that transition where Bob had a thing. Now Bob, you know, Bob may well have resisted that. I got to tell you. Like he may have said, screw that. I don't want any token stuff. I want the Stanley Cup finals back. But yeah, they weren't willing, you know. And then, you know, other things happen and pandemics happen and all kinds of stuff happened. And, you know, they've been scrambling on that broadcast really, really. you know, since the day they got rid of, you know, Strombolopolis and they had to kind of start retrenching. Yeah.

There were mistakes made. Some of them were, some of them were clear and made clear very quickly. And credit to them, they, you know, made the changes, but some of them. And the other thing is to, it was a different world. And now I'm talking about when Bob's in his prime. You go back to when we were younger or whatever. And there wasn't, you know, Amazon wasn't going to be showing games and Apple and Tia,

TNT and ESPN, you were getting hockey in more or less one place and Bob was the guy. Joe Buck gets crushed. I think he's terrific at what he does. I don't think there's many people that can do what he does. But just to have like a Vince Scullier, you'd have one person who's a voice to have that, to corner that market, to have that kind of pull. I don't know that we'll see that.

It's pretty rare. Oh, yeah. No, you won't. Right? It's hockey Bob Cole's calling the. hockey game every Saturday because he's the one that does it and no one else really does it. So it's not a bad thing. You're right, boom.

Like, you know, there's a number one NFL crew for each network. You know, there's somebody who calls the World Series. There's somebody who calls the Super Bowl. But there's not, you know, the guy, right? There's a bunch of guys. If there is, I feel like it's Al Michaels, right? And I'm sure he has his critics. But to me, I feel like I'm watching a football game.

when I hear Al Michaels on. Yeah, but, you know, it's, but no one seems to be, you know, those guys go too, right? They get,

or they get shuffled off to one side. And, um, it, no, there'll never be the equivalent of. Yeah. One hockey game in a hockey crazy country,

a week, you know, on one station, um, or, you know, uh, one guy calling all of the significant playoff games.

And, uh, that kind of, having one person identified with a sport as much as Foster was, or Danny Gavis, Alivan was or Bob was or, you know, or Vince Cully was with the Dodgers or that's, yeah, that's, that's over. And again, it doesn't mean there's not a lot of great and different and unique play-by-play guys out there. There still are.

But that kind of that idea where the voice in your head was only one voice, that's gone. It's hard to envision somebody capturing the game. Like Peter Marr to me is the flames. Yeah. Rick Jenerette is Buffalo. Jim dance is the masters. That's the only soundtrack one I can think of today. But Bob Cole's hockey, right?

Like it's it's it's the, he's not regional, he's not specific, he's just, he's hockey. So I, and I can't envision, maybe it will happen and time will tell,

but just the longevity of it all, the games and set decades, that he got to call and be that voice for everybody. I just can't envision that happening again. No. No, no, I can't either. You know, it's interesting. Somebody asked me, I was on with Mitch Melnick and Montreal yesterday,

and he, you know, talking about Bob and they said, people in Montreal thought that Montreal was his favorite team, that he was a Habs fan. And of course, Bob would never acknowledge that he was the fan of anybody because that would get in the way of his neutrality. But, you know, but think about the things that he's associated with, you know, he did, call those two habs, the 8693,

Stanley Cups for the Habs. But the Islander's dynasty. All those games are him. The Oilers dynasty, all those games are him. You had the Lanny Clip and the Flame Stanley Cup, that's him. Like, he, you can kind of, he's identified with, you know, when Bill Hewitt was calling the Toronto Maple Leafs games, Foster's kid, he was the Toronto guy.

And Danny really was the Montreal. He was really the Habs guy in a lot of ways, although he did get some national stuff. over the years, but I think you still kind of think of him as the, as the Habs guy. But Bob, you know, as much as he spent a lot of Saturday nights in Toronto, because of those playoffs and because of the international hockey, too, he was the voice of team Canada and he was, you know, he's Marios Chronicleer, right? He's like he's, he attaches to a whole bunch of different things and a whole bunch of different teams. Yeah. Yeah, he can bridge Howe to McDavid probably, right?

That's insane. Well, yeah. Yeah, he hung out with How, you know. He went bowling with Howe. He had Howe out in Newfoundland. He had Howe out Newfoundland. Anyway, there's a million Bob stories about a million things. But yeah, he did. That was before he ever was a hockey broadcaster, but when he was a DJ in St. John's.

Yeah. So obviously it was a great way for us to get you on. Because you were kind of the multi-tooled athlete. You're a writer with the pipes. You're the narrator. You're doing radio, television, all of it. Now you're doing very little of it. Do you miss it? Do you miss some of that? What are you most missing, I guess, at this point? I think it does occur to me every once in a while. You know,

I miss people. Like now, you know, the people I used to work with and being in an environment where there were people to, you know, colleagues and comrades and all that stuff. Although, you know, of course, the pandemic kind of kicked the crap out of that, right? Like, spent a lot of, several years they're walking into an empty building, so that was less fun. So I missed the people. And there are days when there's something I really, like, you know, when Bob, like yesterday, I did, you know, I kind of, I thought I could do justice to Bob because I knew him pretty well. And there are, you know, some other folks have done some nice.

Elliot Friedman wrote a really nice piece about him on SportsNet today, for instance. It was, you know, about being kind of the young guy and the crew and joining hockey night and working with Bob. but I miss being able to talk about Bob. And occasionally there's something in sports that jumps out where I think, you know, I probably should be the guy talking about this today. A brunt essay. Yeah, or one of those, you know. And you know what?

I don't mind saying, and it's whatever, SportsNet dropped the ball on the Cole one yesterday. They had a lot of very nice and touching tributes. But I went to watch the Bob Cole tribute, and it's a bunch of people just talking about him. I want to hear him. I want to hear his voice. I want to hear him talking.

I will say, and again, with certainly no bitterness, there is a piece on there. Say, my written piece ran on Sportsnet that I wrote several years ago, right? Because that's when you, you know, you do kind of anticipate people's passing and have obits in the can, right? And they did run it with my name on it, so that was nice. How does that work, by the way? I don't know, just showed up anyway. They own it.

So, you know. It'd be like if you built something when you still work there. and they brought it out on set. But there was a video with a narration that's on Sportsnet, which does not have my voice on it anymore, which I did write and did voice. Really? Yeah.

That's a lot of work, you know, taking that one voice off and putting another voice on it. It's a lot of work to be petty bastards. You know what? But they're up for it, so that's good. I thought it was kind of, yeah, I thought it was, it was weak, man. But, you know, what can I do?

Again, they own, they own the material. They own the content. What can I do? Well, it's, it's, it's, funny because like you talked about this or at least alluded to it when you were there that you know like part of what your job description was was exactly that to put some stuff in the can when shit hits the fan and that's an awkward weird thing to do because people are still alive when you're doing that and you have to put yourself in the spot thinking about them as having passed

and to summarize their lives and oh might see them down the hall later well it's also like you're you're kind of like an insurance guy like you're kind of you have a list and you go yeah who's who's You did a death pool. That's the most time left here. You were running the death pool. That is so dark. It's prioritized, right? Like, you know, that guy's not that old, but he doesn't, he lives kind of hard.

So you kind of move him up in the list, right? No, it's honest to God. Yeah, we were, Scott Moore, my former boss there, and your former boss, once said that if his line was that, if you woke up in the morning and heard me talking about you on television and then you were dead. Oh, Stephen. Yeah. You're almost some mortician. Yeah, Grim Reaper.

So, yeah, so, but, you know, like, for somebody, like, this one was personal, you know, like, so, yeah, there's other ones that, sure, they can do whatever they want with them, but, you know, Bob is my friend. So, so I kind of, I kind of resent this one. Well, this has been a real treat. I don't know why. You know what it is? Here's what it is. I feel like it's such a nuisance. Hey, we'd love to get you on the show.

That's great. Okay. But you're going to need to have a camera. And do you have headphones? And do you have Chrome on your laptop? And if you could put, make sure you mute the thing and do it. There's so much. I just like, oh, just fuck it.

If it was just a phone call, we'd just talk with the phone. But there's some hoops to jump through with this now. But obviously, you're well equipped to jump. Well, I just did a couple of clicks and it worked. It worked. All right. Maybe it's not that big. We've missed you, buddy.

We really have. I feel like we were just a bunch of idiots yelling at each other. and sometimes we're right, but most often we're wrong. We need the voice of reason, and that is you, sir. Well, I miss, you know, I do miss our conflaps. It was, yeah. Well, you've answered your phone, so now you're really hooked. Yeah, I'll do the next one for I'll be out in Newfoundland.

I can do it out in the backyard there. Wendy started pilgrimage. When does it start? I'm crossing on the first of June. I'll be on the boat on the first of June. Okay, so kids, dogs, family members, who's staying, who's going? How's that one here? It's me and the dog going out because that's, we're very compatible.

And then other people come after that. Yeah. It's a long drive dog. It's not a long drive. You know, some people are more, you know, attuned for a long drive than others. Yeah. And everyone's very good and happy with that arrangement. Yeah, that's true.

You know, dad and the dog are going. Not just me that's happy about it. Both you and the dog have got your head out the window. Oh, yeah. We're great. And those who are not in the car with us, they're happy about it too. 100%. Do you have a favorite moment of that drive?

I know like our family, we do a annual pilgrimage to northern Saskatchew, and it's like maybe 10 days a year. And there's a certain part of the drive. I always like, I get excited. Is there, is it like getting off the ferry? Because that can be crazy. Or is it turning the corner and see in a certain bay. Like, what is it for you? Yeah. When I get up, yeah, there's, when I get up, the getting off the boat is great because it's like, the weather's always horrible in southwest corner of Newfoundland where you get off. It's like, it's always misty and foggy and horrible. And all the Newfoundlanders on the boat are crying, right? Because it's going about how beautiful it is and they're home. And you know, almost kiss.

in the ground, all the people coming back. So it's always kind of a cool moment when the boat docks. But yeah, up in Bond Bay, where I live there, there's a moment where you come up over a big hill called this, they call the struggle because going up and in a car about used to be a struggle to get to the top. It was, it's very steep.

But you come down and the kind of the bay unfolds in front of you. There's, you know, mountains on the one side and then the water and that's when you know you're there. And I can tell you, that road's got all these little twists and turns on it. I could close my eyes. I can do it right now. I could drive that whole thing without even looking. So that's when I know I'm there. Well, before you know it, we're already, geez, April's kind of slipped through our fingers.

We're heading towards it here. But it's real good to have you on. This has been, this is a real treat. We miss you, love you, pal, good to see that you're doing so well. And we'll do it again soon. Yeah, give me a call. Yeah, I'd love to do it. Awesome.

Take care, buddy. All right. See you guys. There you go. Stephen Brunt, the great Stephen Brunt. Who didn't want to just, sorry, who doesn't want to just sit here and bullshit with Steve for the next two hours? Well, I was looking because we got another thing. I know.

Name of the book, which, you know what? You're going to have to go buy this one because this is of all that's the thing. You get books sent to you, hey, we're going to have this author on, whatever. I never did get my hands on this one. Now I'm catching on my life on and off the air, Bob Cole with Stephen Brunt. Yeah, what Stephen, I guess, illuminates then talked about there is just that. this guy was a bleepin legend before he did a single game of play by play. Like we,

we have one portion, one little cross section of his life that he's famous for, but there's so much more there. Seven, eight minutes, Pinder report? No, God,

no. I don't know how we're doing the show then, because now we're killing seven, eight minutes. Uh, yeah, let's give it a goal. What if we,

what if we just didn't do crocs and snot and poop today? Why do we did sports? Do you want to do? As long as we can. Pinder Report brought to you by Village Honda, new in-stock inventory on the ground. Village Honda, all new vehicle pricing. MSRP. Village Honda and Village Honda presents the, let's see now I'm dragging it.

Ryan Pinder, Rindindon. The Pindra. Thank you, Dean. It is a game day for the Calgary Ranglers. Up 1-0 in their best of three in Tucson, a single victory. they can stomp out those roadrunners and move on to round two, which with it would come home games

at the Scotianic Saddalo. Come on, fellas. Dustin Wolf's coming off of 46 games shutout, 46 save, shutout. 46 games would be a hell of a long time. A lot of shutouts. Jesus Christ. I feel like that'd be some sort of record

we'd heard about. Yeah, it would break Bresti's record for sure. Okay. Pike with some more details here on exactly what, where, when, how, all the Ws. What's going on here? Yeah, they can advance 8 o'clock Mountain HLTV,

some sort of letter number combination for the audio. Not familiar with that. Last night in the NHL, let's see exactly what happened. We talked about it off the top. If you like competitive series, it was a really tough night for that. Tampa let us down at home, 5'3, the final there.

A better start for Tampa, but they just look outclassed here by Florida. And yeah, we never really had high hopes for the Islanders. against the canes, especially when, you know, you blew that 3-0 lead in game two. Yeah, they've lived up to our low expectations. Islanders, go away. Beat it. You're gone.

Tonight, probably some more go-aways. I have a John Cooper on Bob Cole. It's a little longer. We can maybe save that for the end of the show, Dean. Sure. Cooper, the head coach of the Lightning. They're on the brink now. He said he wished it was better circumstances,

but wax poetic about his interactions with Bob Cole for about two minutes. so we'll save that for later. As for the Cains and how they got there last night, this is a guy that isn't that old, but yet there he is right amongst the franchise leader. Rod the bod, his head coach, the only guy with more game winners in the postseason.

That is quite a, you know, start to his postseason career for Sebastian Aho. I thought would this all be Justin Williams? I guess I, and you know what? It's not been an overtime. Because he was in L.A. and in Philadelphia, and the other thing is Hartford didn't have a lot of playoff game.

Right. Going back to there. Mike Rogers, not there because they weren't. No, no pat for beak. Right. Sanderson? Puck do you. Puck doke.

Okay. What do we got tonight? Let's take a look. Four games, guys, look at this. We got some bangers tonight. Now, the first one, okay, fine, whatever. This is like you eat your salad to get to the good stuff. Rangers in Washington.

Washington, not unlike the Islanders. Please go away. We're done with you. You're boring. You're boring, people. Go away. After that, it gets good. We are in Nashville, early start, as the Canucks without Thatcher Demko will try to beat the Nashville Predators.

After that, back to this series that I think could be the slobber knocker of the bunch. Jets in Colorado go mile high in Denver. And then the Oilers in L.A. You see and switch there. So those last three games, all tied one, one, big pivot games coming up tonight. Love it. So interesting start time for Nashville being in the east. We drove north from Nashville and ended up in the eastern time zone,

and we almost missed a flight. It is not that far up. Now, here's the thing. Do we have the people singing the song for? Good Lord. Vancouver. You put out a stupid rap video about the Canucks, and Thatcher Demko got hurt immediately.

And so the only thing cringier than that is this. Hey, Casey, this is a message for you. If you're not Casey to Smith, keep scrolling. Casey, lock in. You've got the entire city behind you. And the best team in front of you. Oh, fuck. In December.

And December 19th, you beat the Preds. Oh, God. Casey, you got this. In DeSmith, we trust. Go! That is, dig up, stupid. It's this shit that got you here in the first place. That is so bad.

Who boy. Deserve what you get. Oh, I have to now look at Nashville in regulation. I just, that's awful. That is so bad. You have put a pox upon the team. A curse on their family. It's so hard about it.

Goosh. Rangers' caps tonight. We said go away. I guess maybe I don't know what to talk about here, guys. If we're not going to get a Wilson-Rempay fight, I'm done with this series. Next. Next.

Jets, Colorado, this I have high hopes for our friends. Series is two games and already feels like it's had lots of twists and turns. J-E-T-E needs to step it up here a little bit. I was going to say, rat, and I thought maybe I'd be criticized. This feels like a must-win to me for a win. In a weird way. And look, maybe if it's not a win, it's a, we need Connor Hellebuk to look like a goalie that allows less than five a game, because that's his GAA here. Establish some sort of baseline of play, because yeah, you won seven, six, but you have been wishy-wash, you've been like Dallas where you're not in

control of anything. You, the team that gave up the fewest goals in the regular season, have been taken to the woodshed at times by this team. You've got to grab a whole of this. Yeah. And then the nightcap, look, we think L.A. is overmatched. You know who doesn't think that? The L.A. Kings. That's what it is. There you go, Ryan. There you go. You got to have belief, folks.

And Jim Hiller in there doing his torts. We bet against them, the world's against them, underdogs. We'll continue to do that. It worked at game two. Good stuff. Let's go to the NFL draft last night as, well, a lot happened. Dino, what a day for the Chicago Bears. Look at

selections one and nine. They go get the best quarterback theoretically in the draft class and add a dynamic wide receiver. Hello. Dean, you're going to love these bears. Yeah, so excited. A lot of debate. Are you feeling a lack of passion surrounding Dean? Is he quitting on this project with being a Bears fan?

I even wanted the Bears. He can't just. It's a perfect time to get on the Bears. They were bad and now they're going to be good right away. He's a down on his luck kind of fella. Like the bills suit his persona so much better than this. out of the hat Chicago Bears bullshit. And what the bills did yesterday.

I mean, how can you be a fan of that would be the question? Very lot of high alert. Yeah, I bet. There's a lot of medical devices being used, ambulances. Oxygen tanks bought. Yeah. Yes. What?

Not ideal. We will jump in here. We'll get to the second half of the Pinder report coming up. But TSN Insider and one of our, of course, hockey insider is. joins us here. Darren Dregor getting ready for another night of playoff hockey. And, I mean, we've tried.

Okay. Rangers and Capitals and the Islander. I mean, we tried. We really tried to put the booster cables and convince people. There may not so much. Yeah. To the point, you may as well let these teams that are dominating. Let them get some rest and be ready to roll.

Don't risk injuries. None of that. Just let them get through. and let him get rolling in a way, no real surprises there, I guess. Now, again, we feel like the capitals are already down three nothing, but certainly last, certainly last night, I guess maybe it's the lightning. They've been outclassed here by the Panthers. Yeah.

How much, and we talked about it earlier, how much of it is, the Panthers are just really good, there's no shame there, and how much of it is the lightning are older, tired, injured. Some guys maybe back from injuries too soon, that sort of deal. Well, for me, it's more about Florida. And Florida's injured too, right? Sam Bennett is out.

You see how long that kind of works its way. To hold the key to Kutraoff without a goal, I think he has, what, three assists? I mean, that is- frustrated last night. Hey, like frustrated, bad move, bad plays, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, I think what we're seeing here is

the Florida path, there's flex some depth muscle. right and the experience of the panthers is there and you know i i know paul maries very very well and it's not lip service when he talks about how much fun it is to coach this team and i i've had more or less off the record conversations with them where he says it's it's the easiest team i've ever coached and that's mostly because of the mindset right and the fact that you know you've got personalities there of course you have egos you have that on every single team but this group is willing to park all of that, to play the way that you got to play to win in the playoffs. And, you know, they're willing to embrace each series and take it as it comes. Sometimes

you've got to be really hard, aggressive on the forecheck, be as physical as you can. Sometimes you can open it up a little bit if you're chasing a game. Well, Florida can play any game you'll want. And then on top that, aside from the layering effect of what they've got offensively, their D is good. And how about Sergey Barbowski? I mean, rewind the clock three, four years ago. I honestly, I might have put a big chunk of dough on the table to say he'd be out of the league by now. How about last year, Gregs, Alex Lyon finished the regular season for them and started the playoffs a year ago.

But at least he showed not just signs, you know, in the second half of the regular season, Braboski was good, right? Like he, he rebounded. So I don't, I, maybe it's the Florida son. I don't know what happened to this guy. Like he's, you know, it wasn't. that long ago, we're we're challenging Bill Zito going, how is this guy going to pull a Kelly McCremant and make,

make Brobowski disappear in that $10 million contract? And now, you know, it looks like good value. In fact, it is good value in Brabowski, who has been stellar in that series. But I'm not going to lie. I'm surprised. I wouldn't have marked the Battle of Florida as being upset potential. But given what we saw from the Tampa Lightning,

again, in the second half with a goal. will tending that they have, the winning category, all the elements. It just felt like this was not going to be a four or five game series, but here we are. Now we're already, I did a couple of interviews earlier today. Guess what we're talking about. We're not

talking about the potential of this week. We're talking about, okay, is Stephen Stapkos about to play his last games in a Tampa Bay uniform? I mean, that's where we're at with this club now. Handicapped that for us. Where are you? Well, I don't have any inside information.

on this and the reason I don't is because they just decided a long time ago through Stamco's they were going to park any sort of discussion we all remember back to prior to the start of the year where clearly his nose was out of joint which is a significant ask kind of a cheap shot there at Stammer and the big beat okay but he you know you just said look we're not going to I'm not going to deal with this if it wasn't a priority for you in the offseason to come to me and and have a conversation about what an extension looks like as decorated leader, your captain, then it's not going to be a priority for me. So I don't know that feelings were hurt, maybe a little bit, but I guess I keep looking at ownership, the Vinnick family

in Tampa Bay. Pretty loyal guy, pretty loyal family. I can't imagine that they, term is going to be the issue here, but I can't imagine that they don't make every attempt to keep Stephen Stamco's with the lightning. But that's what free agency is all about. You earn that right to look at the open market and we'll see if that's what he chooses to do. It just feels, it's got a little bit of a Crosby feel to it though, doesn't it? Like, it just feels like he should end his career in Tampa Bay. That's an interesting thing you bring up that maybe we don't. And how are we supposed to know is the influence of the owner? You see it, you think of Robert Kraft. How long would Belichick have been making some moves with Brady were it not for Kraft and his loyalty to Brady.

You know what I mean? And so you wonder about a guy like Vinick and you wonder about ownership sometimes with big franchise players like this when sometimes they take control, not say they're meddling, but sometimes you know what on this one. Yeah. This is what I want to do. And that was clearly the case with the Gindler here at the end.

You know, this was above the GM position. This was an ownership there. And that's a really good point you make, he's like the owner probably has the hammer on the GM here. in some senses? I would think so. You know, he allows Julian Breezwah to go about his business and make the tough calls. And Julian has done terrific work. I mean, he's a Stanley Cup champion for a reason.

And as we know, every cap team has got to make ridiculous tough decisions. I mean, good people are sent packing just, again, to comply with the salary cap. And yeah, I know the cap is going up and Tampa Bay will utilize those resources, but they have other pieces that they're going to have to pay attention to. But when it comes to a personal matter, you know, and you're talking like Stancos is right there, of course. I mean, he's probably top of the food chain. And then who else do you have in that group?

Victor Hedman, of course. Braden Point. Yup, all day long. And probably Vasilevsky, right? And then after that, you know, there's a layering effect again that I think, you know, players that maybe wouldn't get the special treatment or at least, you know, the owner may not be peering over the shoulder of Julian Brisebois, to say what you're doing. But I can't, I don't doubt for a second that he's going to have some influence on Stamco's. We were just talking before

we got you on. I don't know if you were in for that. Just talking about abs and jets tonight. Jets allow the fewest goals in the regular season and are getting, I mean, they're getting lit up by the avalanche, which I guess isn't surprising. It's just made, not to say that the Jets are frauds or anything, but retro, we were kind of saying, how does one one, if you go up two games to one, how does that feel like, you know, how is game three a must win for Winnipeg? But at the very least, the fashion in which they play game three is really important for Winnipeg, I think, here. 100%. And who had Connor Hellbuck giving up 10 goals on their bingo card going on? the series.

And the whole series, maybe. Geez. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. And look, I was in Winnipeg for games one and two. And I, you know, I think in the miscues in the second period of game two where, you know, he mismanages the puck out of his net along the goal line. Perese pops it in.

And even the Josh Manson breakaway going, I understand it was, there were a couple of other mistakes that were made. I mean, Nick Eilers falls down in the offensive zone, doesn't get up, can't control the puck. McKinnon grabs it. on the penalty box and he's on the break, but it's Josh Manson, with all of you respect. It kind of felt like a puck that Helibok should have stopped. And furthermore, Georgiev was brutal in the opening game of that series. And look, you know, the Ab still scored six on Hallibuck.

And then Georgiev was pretty good. In fact, he was very good in game two. So if he gives Colorado that level of goaltending, then Winnipeg has an issue here, fellows. They have an issue. It's not just goal-tending. You know, that's, of course, as the cliche goes, the last line of defense. I don't know what you guys saw, but I saw a team that was a bit lost in their own end, especially. I thought they cleaned up parts of the ice through the neutral zone.

It wasn't as easy for Colorado to enter the zone in game two as it was in game one. But poor clearing attempts and just mismanagement in the defensive zone led to trouble for Winnipeg in game two. So there's some areas they've got to fix. And for Colorado on that flip side, they're not airtight because Georgiev did have to be very good in game two. And right, that's a one goal game minus an empty net goal. So for the Jets, the path, you can see the path to victory here. You just got to find a way to keep the fuck out of your net. Well, and man, does it get tough in Denver, right?

Because now, Betnar, you know, doesn't control the matchup game, but he's got to, serious influence. And again, like that McKinnon line is out almost every second shift. At least they were in the third period of game two. That's not changing in three, four on on home ice. Now, the morning skate of game two, I saw Rick Bonas head coach of the Jets go to Toffoli, had a lengthy one-on-one conversation with him on ice. Same thing with Nick Eilers, same thing with Sean Monaghan. And the reason he did that, it wasn't to kind of encourage these guys to get going offensively because they've had some looks. Like remarkably, that line wasn't on the ice for a single goal for or against in game

one. 13 goals. I mean, so I guess they kept it pretty clean. But beyond, you know, okay, shoot the puck here, fellas. Like Nick Eler, stop throwing it away. You're throwing the puck to no man's land. And effectively, it's a turnover. So stop doing that.

So he's trying to wind that trio up defensively as well because it can't just be about Adam Lowry and that group trying to shut down McKinman. It's got to be DeFoli, Monaghan, and Nikolai Eilers who will get some of that assignment tonight in game four as well. What has happened to Dallas? And we all understand that the Vegas team they're playing isn't the one we ever got to see in the regular season

and a lot of people are going to twist themselves into pretzels getting upset about that. it is what it is, but what about Dallas? Where's their half of this thing? Because it feels like they've left us wanting more. It's a bit of the Vegas flu, to be fair. And, you know, that's not a fear factor. It's not like, you know, the Dallas stars are intimidated by the Vegas Golden Knights.

I don't mean it that way. What I mean is I think that they thought, okay, we've had a hell of a regular season run here. You know, top of class in the Western Conference. We draw Vegas. Okay. No problem. Well, now we have a problem because Mark Stone is good to go for game one. And Alex Petrangelo just jumped off the operating table after the appendectomy.

And he's good to go. So now they're fully bolstered. You know, that lineup is intact. And McCriman reminds me every single year that Mark Stone is literally the heart and soul, head of the snake for the Vegas Golden Knights. And he proved that as first shifts, going on the power play goal in game one. So I think that Vegas got in the heads of the Dallas Stars.

pretty quickly. And then you look at their goaltending with Thompson and Aden Hill. Like if you're Jason Robertson or Ben or Wyatt Johns, I mean, any offensive player in Dallas, aren't you just licking your jobs going? Let me have that

goal tend. Now, you got to get to the big trees on the back end and just talked about Petranchal being among them. But it just feels like they're not as invested and not as committed in Dallas as I expected and thought they were. But I, you know what? know, you know, Vegas is up to love in that series.

I still think that series is going six or seven. I really do. Yeah. For Vancouver, they, they know life without Thatcher Demko. They lived it for a couple months near the end of the regular season. But do you think there's any chance that they could have anticipated that maybe he would miss time or that aggravating an injury was a possibility? Was there a rushing?

Because we looked at it when he would, because he played his first. game back was against the flames the week before. I'm not looking to throw anybody out of the bus or looking for something that isn't there, but it's a huge loss for them. Huge. Now, I was flat-out told it's not the same injury. You know, it's the same knee, but a different injury. And it happened late in that game, and I mean late in that game, but he obviously finished

the game. Woke up on Monday, okay, doesn't feel great, okay, we better get it checked out. He has the MRI. and they exposed the issues to the degree that he's out for an extended period of time, whatever that is. We know that it's the rest of this series. And likely if it's similar to the injury that he just came off, what was he out five weeks, five and a half weeks, something like that.

So, you know, this is a real kick to the stones with the Vancouver Canucks. And not that Casey DeSmith isn't good enough. He is. And history shows us that, you know, win the Stanley Cup, normally you do have to have a tandem that works. So he's getting tested very, very early. Beyond that, though, and this is me being captain obvious, you know, now you take Thatcher Demko out of the equation, okay, he can steal a game or two in a best of seven series.

You know, unless Alias Patterson, like, he's got a surface here, fellas. Like he, and whatever was bugging him towards the end of the regular season, the last 15 games, whatever it was, has obviously crept into, you. you know, his psyche mentally in the playoffs as well. That is, he's got to be a driver on a line, not, you know, Mitch Martin in Toronto continues to take a ton of heat because he's not producing. Well, I'm assuming the same is applied to Patterson in Vancouver because they're, they're just, and Nashville's no slouch here either.

They're likely going to get out goalied with UC Saros. And there's something about the balance, the experience of Orion a lot, Riley and everything they got going in Nashville that is going to be tricky. It's a formidable challenge for Rick talking to the Canucks here. Patrick, you took the Preds, right? Right? In the series?

Yeah. And I would have really, I think a lot of people would have if Demko was. Yeah, there's that. I think we all sort of thought that Vancouver was going to have to face adversity and we'd learn about them. We just didn't think it would happen as soon as game two with their star goalie. Yeah. I mean, it happens, right?

I mean, it happens almost every single year, whether it's a goalie or a top forward or a defenseman. I mean, an injury is a part of it, which is why we, again, we always lean on the notion of you, you need a solid tandem. But, yeah, there could be some maturity issues here, fellas. Like, there could be some growing pains needed in Vancouver.

You know, J.T. Miller has had a wonderful year. You know, he's kind of what drives that group. But I didn't have them going deep into the playoffs at the start of the year. In fact, I think I was a dumb dumb in our group, and Adam was a non-playoff team. Most did, to be fair. Yeah. But there's always growing pains with up-and-coming teams. You don't just like, obviously they've had a hell of a year.

Demko can cover up some warts if they needed them. But it's not unheard of for good teams to make the playoffs and stumble out of it. And then the next, you know, next year, year after, it's kind of like, oh, okay, here we go. Yeah. before we win, right? Yeah. Even Detroit, you do Detroit when they went back to back.

The year before, Colorado got hot and smacked them around. Yeah. Right? Like, it does take some, some seasoning time. Tampa flamed out in the East final a bunch.

Yeah, before they finally, you know, that was a group that couldn't win until they could. It's totally normal. It's, and they're going to learn a lot. If they can get back and win this against National,

they'll probably have Evanton next, but they might not. I read there. Yeah. And it's funny because you mentioned that Detroit one. That was back when Pabeltatsuk and Zetterberg couldn't win. Right. You can't win with those guys and then they just want back. Well, but then go all the way back to the Eisenman days, right? Sure. I mean, they couldn't win with Steve Eisenman. And, you know, Scotty Bowman basically had to bludgeon into Eisenman's head. There's a way you got to play. You know, it can't be about the points. It's got to be about, you know, being as rock solid a defender as a centerman as you can.

and the guy's in the Hall of Fame. So I guess he responded well. William Nealander, what do we know and what don't we know? This has been a great job fog to try to deal through in Toronto, I imagine. Yeah. And you know what? It's always tough on hockey operations, right? Because, you know, the prodding eyes, media, the questions, all that, we want to know.

I mean, how does a guy like this not just miss the end of the regular season, but the first three games of a tight series against the Boston Bruins? And, you know, there was speculation. Is it his back? Is there a muscle strain? Like, what's going on there? But, you know, I was told late last week that the source that I had indicated he thought it was migraine related. And, you know, I, you know, I see Elliot Friedman speculating on that yesterday.

Makes a lot of sense. Now, how did that happen? I don't know. Far from a doctor here. He's had it in the past. He got rocked in that Florida game, for starters. So. Game of the year?

Yeah. last game of the year. Now, you know, again, in our poking and prodding, you know, I asked somebody I trust within the organization, you know, again, a number of days ago, is it possible this is concussion related? And I was quickly reminded, well, no, it can't be. He's been skating. You know, he's not in protocol. He's been skating. So then automatically I flipped over to the idea, okay, well, I remember he had this issue with an eye migraine, which I'd never heard of, but it sounds painful, which it obviously is. So that, That's the sense is that he's dealing with something migraine related. But I can tell you, fellas, he pushed hard on Wednesday. I knew he wasn't going to play Wednesday night. He stayed out with a healthy scratches and whatnot. Stayed out longer. But he pushed hard and participated in line rushes on that third line.

I'd be shocked. If he doesn't play game for tomorrow against the Bruins, then I'm starting to wonder if it's time to write him off for the series. But I think there's a strong chance, strong chance. he's in the line of tomorrow. That, I'm trying, I'm just trying to think,

I guess. For entertainment value, Jets and Abs has been there because it's been, you know, a circus and looking around, I feel like the Boston, Toronto series,

it might be the most entertaining series of the first round. And it hasn't been for, I know Mariner gets heat and all that, but it hasn't been for media made up BS. I just, because at least I think they've been very close. And could have won?

Yeah, it's been a hell of a series. Which maybe isn't a shock, but it has been. No, it really has. And it's got different storylines to it. You know, game two, Austin Matthews was all world, man. You know, not just, you know, the offense that he created, but just how hard he played. I mean, he and Ryan Reeves led the Toronto Bay beliefs in hits in game two with six each. you know, he wasn't able to hold that position in game three,

but who took over? Brad Marchand took over for the Boston Bruins and scored a couple of games. There's always some nonsense in the games that these two teams play, and I'm here for it all day long. You know, the shenanigans of Pat Maroon, straddling center ice, and Ryan Reeves trying to hold them accountable there. I didn't love that. Yeah, I didn't love that.

I mean, that's a little greasy, you know, because all it does, and rent tune me up here, if I'm wrong, all it does is put a bullseye on one of your top guys. That's all it does. So it's not that they should be worrying about Ilya Sampsonoff. You know, if I met Pat Maroon and I can somehow, he wouldn't be on the ice against Austin Matthews, but I'd just say it if he can somehow put a lick on one of those guys, one of those, you know, forward. a hundred percent he's going to do that. So why unnecessarily poke the bear? Play hard. Be physical in the game.

You know, battle in the foreshank, battle in front of the net. Do what you've got to do. Max isn't afraid. He's more than capable of playing that game. I just, I didn't like that trigger. And he's been effective. He's been good when it comes to, you know, play in the game.

But in game one, we were saying, you come out, we're not going to be pushed around. We're going to be physical. Oh, penalty, power, play, goal. Yeah. And then in game two, he's my. much better. He's very good. Sticks to play in hockey and then does that. And not to say that was the catalyst for Boston to get the league back. That's the,

that's that fine line. But that of Marshan, and I think you learn. And if you're going to be really good at being the, that guy, you have to be able to not do it. Right. Do you know what I mean? Like that's almost more irritating.

You have to be able to not do it and go score and play and then stay by the bench. it's the dark arts and it was a clinic from Marchand in game three it really yeah yeah like that goal that goes in is brutal the Frederick goal like it's terrible short side distance it should be stopped no good he's not David Pasternak yeah I don't believe that goes in if there's not an absolute circus following Marchand around that entire shift distracting everyone including all the fans yelling at the officials line mates even the goalie I don't think that goes in if Marchand's not Marchanne's not Marchand Well, and luck, the Leafs were upset because they felt like, you know, that play should have been whistled dead twice.

Exactly. You know, you had McAvoy who gang tackled Matthews below the goal line, you know, no penalty there. And then you had the jousting, which again, I was okay with between Bertuzi and Marchand. Yeah, that's good entertainment value. Didn't pull the Leafs fans out of their seats because, you know, their ties around their necks are tied to the bottom of the seats. so that prevents them from getting out of their chairs. And apparently they all have laryngitis as well. But, you know, the Leafs were upset.

But that's a goal. That puck can't go in the net, just plain and simple. That was the blemish that Samsonoff had because otherwise, you know, he's been pretty good. Joe Bowen and Darren Dregor calling out the Toronto. Jeez. Those gold seats? Are those the ones, the ones that come with sushi and you're not allowed to go to your seats

until it's five minutes into the period? Is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, you know, I'm a partial season ticket holder, or not in the playoffs because I'd have to mortgage my house, but in the regular season I am. But I speak from experience in being critical here because like I said earlier,

I was in Winnipeg for the Whiteout for the first two games. There's not a building in the league that is better than it was in game one in Winnipeg. And it's a small venue, right? I mean, and the fans, it literally feels like they're on top of the ice. And when you've got Jared Bednar, the abs, post game talking about how, I mean,

he had goosebumps, on the bench, prior to puck drop because the walls were vibrating inside that building. Ebbington gets pretty loud. Calgary gets loud when the flames are in the playoffs. Allegedly. Yeah. No, I remember in 04.

Back in the day. Before the team was even out. And it was, there were Go Flames Go Chance like after warmups. It was insane. And if you looked at Vancouver, that's not traditionally a loud building. It was zany for game one.

It was nine years. Absence makes the heart grow fun. I got a fun story back. to that Stanley Cup final involving the Calgary Flames. So I'm a sportsman at the time. And we had, so it was me, Kipper, I think Scotty Morrison and Paul Maurice was our guest analyst. And we had this big mammoth set outside the Saddle Dome.

And I guess we weren't smart enough to hire security. So we had all these just gunned flames fans post game every single night. And the stuff they were chanting and yelling at us. And we're live TV. And all you can hear is, Drager sucks. And whatever they were. And Kiprios, who Rhett can appreciate this, his wires would touch on occasion back in the day when he played.

He had the old neck stretch going like every time he's sitting there. I guess he's just angry. These people are just ham. memory him with insults. Anyway, what a time. I do want to apologize. I was 23, and it was an exciting time. It had been a long time. Yeah, yeah, you were there.

Yeah. So hard. Hard to resist. It's harsh. Yeah. Series shifts to L.A. for Oilers and Kings. Yeah. Man, I want to believe there's a series here, and I know that the Kings got it, they were

better in game two, and the Oilers were maybe not as good. Yeah. It's hard. What's the, if we're to. look at this series. More like game one, or it's a lot of Oilers, or more like game two, or the Kings are good too, and they can maybe find

a way. Yeah, more a game two. And, you know, I still think Edmonton's going to prevail here. There's just too much firepower, right? As long as, you know, Stu Skinner can be as good or it needs to be better than he was in the last game. The LA Kings obviously have got to sharpen up that penalty kill or

be more disciplined. I mean, Edmondson's, what, four for seven on the power play in this series? That's their bread and butter. You know, and there shouldn't be as much real estate available to Edmonton as we've seen, certainly saw in game one. And I think, I think the L.A. Kings cleaned it up a little bit more in game two. But they lean on their old goats, man. Like that's, you know, Anseh Kopitars, he's still got lots to give.

And what a mentor for Quentin Bifield, who I think he's, he's a real good player right now. I think he potentially is going to be a star in the national. He's on his way. He's on his way. Big and strong. And then, you know, Adrian Kemp, he can flat out fly, and we saw him generate the offense. And I love listening to Drew Dowdy because even though he gets an abundance of credit, I don't think he gets enough for how he changed his game and sacrificed the way that he's capable of playing so that that team can win.

And he's done it for over a decade. Darrell, well, because obviously Darrell saw it. Yeah, he said that for sure. This guy could be a 50, 60 point, 70 point defenseman or more if he wanted to. But for the team, he doesn't worry about that. And there's, there's, and luck, I mean, fortunately for him, he is being well compensated. But it's hard to tell when a lot of times your contract is tied to your product, your offensive numbers and production.

It's hard to tell those guys, well, numbers aren't important. Bullshit, they aren't. Talk to my agent when I'm, when my contract comes to. But yeah, he's, he has been that kind of team for us. guy for a long time. Well, and you know what? I have a conversation. I think I mentioned this last week talking about the NHL ballot and the awards and all that. And I've explained to you guys in the past, I go through a process, especially with the Norris, where I break it down into segments, right? We talked about this. Well, the vault's one of my guys is Chris Bromner. You know, pretty good

defenseman back in his day. And he reminds me every single segment about two guys, Roman Yossi and Drew Dowdy. And, you know, he's like, you guys, you know, of course Quinn Hughes is going to win the Norris because of the points that he accumulates. And, you know, this guy's going to get attention and that guy. But he goes, you're asking me and I'm telling you,

the two top defensemen in the league all around best defensemen are arguably Drew Dowdy and certainly Roman Yose. So there you go. Last one. Real quick, just where's the give a fuck meter for Pierre Luke Dubois? It's a sliding scale zero to 10. Where do you have them right now?

Because I keep waiting for him to, you can see flashes, but God. No. Well, I'll tell you what. The only reason my meter is even registering on him is again, because I paid close attention to what's going on in Winnipeg. And Gabriel Vilardi is terrific. Yeah. I mean, one for one.

that was a steal, Valardi for Pierre-Luc Dubois, let alone the other, I have followed, perfect bottom six guy. I mean, the goal that Gustafson scored to open the scoring in game two

really is because IAFOLO creating chaos in front of Georgi of, right? Then you've got Kupari, who, you know, the Jets, I talked to Chevy about him morning skate the other day. They think he's got a real good chance of being a really sound

two-three center in the national. Hockey League and he's not even in the lineup. And then on top of that, they get that second round of draft pick. Rob Lake's a good dude. And I think he's done excellent work over time in, in LA. That's an old-fashioned fleece. That's a tough one. And then to commit, he's an immovable object, right?

Yeah. It's the Hubertow thing here. It's not good. Exactly right. And I guess I understand, you know, you've invested in the trade. You've given up all these pieces. Of course, you're going to believe in the player. in PLD and give him the mammoth contract because you believe you're getting the best player

in the deal. It's not by a long shot. Well, and you feel like you're getting the player in the place he wants to be. So, okay. We've checked the box here. So you're good to go, bud. Yeah, that's right. I mean, there needs to be some soul searching individually here.

The player needs to. Tanya Harding. That's yeah. Yeah. And you know, and the flip side of that and Winnipeg did it once. Yeah. with Evander Kane. We just need this guy out of our locker room.

They did it with Dubois. And Wheeler. We can't have this guy in our locker room. And you talk about Drew Doughty. We played the clip, I guess, maybe two months before the end of the regular season, where Drew Doughty was, we got guys in here. They're worried about their apples. No, yeah.

Yeah. You know who he's talking about. You know exactly who he's talking about. And I'll tell you this. You remember Rick Bonas last year going on that. Was it end of the season? At the end of the playoffs. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, okay. You know who he's talking about now. Well, and you said Paul Maurice earlier, he walked away from this group when it had Wheeler and Dubois there. It's like, forget that one. And you heard for a long time,

there were two kind of forces in there that you maybe got Wheeler and you've got Schifley. And Shifley's really intense and he loves the game and he's all hockey. And then you got Blake Wheeler over here. Wheeler leaves and then Shifley and Hellebuck sign long-term extensions. Yeah. I mean, sometimes you need to read the tea leaves and other times it's kind of maybe in bold, bold print for you. Yeah, and look, don't underestimate, assuming the Jets have success, and that's a large assumption, they've got a battle on their hands.

I can tell you again from being around that group, the culture there is as good as it gets. It is. And that's not just about Adam Lowry. It isn't, but he holds guys accountable in a real good way. You know, like I'm sure people, you know, I'm a player, he'll ask, what do you think? I'd think my game was, well, it wasn't very good. You know, he's not yelling and screaming.

He's not ranting and raving. He's not creating a click environment where four guys are going for dinner and the rest of the team is going somewhere else. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm just talking about that whole culture in Winnipeg. you can win with that but they got to get some work done here yeah chatted with brendan dylan who's a pal the show he said this is the least talented and skilled team we've had in three years but everyone loves each other we're incredibly coachable everyone's bought

in so here's a weird thing and it was weird to me so i mean i don't always go into the dressing room post game because it's not like it used to be right back in the day you'd go into the dressing room and there were 15 20 players standing around you get out a conversation, get some stuff, and away you go. Now, they roll out one guy at a time. And it's a mammoth scrum in front of a backdrop. And that's all you got. So you're, you're just kind of eavesdropping is all you're doing in the scrum. So Brendan Dillon comes in after game one. Tell me how hard this is. So I just happen to look down. I'm standing on the outside of the scrum with Sarah Orleski. And I look down and I see him standing on his tippy toes. So he's in a hoodie

and shorts and runners and he's standing on his tippy toes he stood on his tippy toes for six straight minutes i like is he working on his calves like what's what's what's what's going on like and it was like i don't think he even knew he was doing it i didn't there was nobody standing beside them it's not like it's the team photo and they're not sitting there standing and he's trying to gain an inch i don't know what it was it was bizarre weird. I don't think I could stand on my tip he toes for 30 seconds. Oh, I cramp. It starts cramping and then I'm

on the ground and I'm wailing. It's not pretty drags. It's not a good sight at all. It's not a good sight. You and I, as they say, Dino are stocky. Yeah, very stocky. Stocky. Yeah. Better than portly. Yeah. Jeez. Bad memories. And I guess just

quickly, I asked Noodles we had him on. You're taking what we saw in Salt Lake City. It was pretty cool. I love. They had the kids in the airplane hangar with the signs. Yeah. And the rink was full. And I mean, you can do that in a short amount of time.

You can, you know, keep people's attention and get them excited. But I get the, I get the feeling that's, that's a city and a fan base. That's some sporting fans that they're going to, they're going to put this city on the map. Agreed. And more importantly, they've got a billionaire plus owner who's going to spend money. Right. So Bill Armstrong is going into free agency. Ooh, here's a novel idea.

You can actually sign free agents, Bill. You don't have to strip your roster down to the wood yet again at the trade deadline because you're over budget. No, no, no, no, no. You know, build this team into a winner. And that's the messaging that's coming from Ryan Smith. And so the players will appreciate that. Look, I don't know. I've never been to Salt Laker.

If I have, I think I was there for minutes. I was literally there on a stopover going to somewhere else. Apparently, it's a beautiful city living. And, you know, by all accounts, you know, poking around the NBA and whatnot, players love it. They love it. So these guys, they've earned it. The players who have been there are the longest in Arizona, they've earned to be treated the right way. Well, we've probably got to let you go.

And this might be an odd question. But Terry Pagula takes over as owner in Buffalo. And Dars Riggard, been here for years and kind of under the same scenario where you've got to run a tight. ship it doesn't always work ownership put too much emphasis on spending too quickly airhoff and lano remember that right like we you've got money to spend go spend it oh not there it's a fair point and and this isn't a criticism of bill armstrong but we're going to find out what kind of general manager bill armstrong is because when you're cutting it down to the wood every single year it's not that that's easy to do it's not because you're trying to match

maximize your level of return. Like the Jason Zucker trade fellows, that one sticks out to me because what they end up getting, like a six rounds or something like that, right? And the reason was they couldn't retain any money. Yeah, all their deals at the deadline,

they didn't retain on anyone. That was clearly like you could have got more if you did, but it was, I could be mistaken. Not eating money. No, I could be mistaken on the team. I think the Vancouver Canucks offered a third.

But yeah, I think so. If it wasn't the Vancouver Canucks, it was another team. A lot of stuff went on that day. But Armstrong was losing his marbles because his owner wouldn't retain any money, any money. And the other thing is too, to that point, it's not easy. But when you're selling off assets and taking futures, hey, well, they turn this into a first and a third. And they turn this into two seconds. Yeah.

It's not that it's easy, I guess. but it's easier than turning those into effective players and building a roster. Anyway, I just wanted to get you thought. We have kept you for a long time. No, it's okay. That's okay. Appreciate you doing a little shuffle for us and for staying on as always. Have a great weekend.

We'll catch up in a week or so. Sounds good, boys. You too. Enjoy the weekend. Thanks, Paul. So, Jason. Darren, TSN Insider, our insider here on Barnberger and Flames Nation. Remind me of where Buffalo is at when the Pagullas took over because I sort of see,

Phoenix is if you looked at the bottom five to ten teams in the league, I don't know who's better positioned to be really good really quick. When you look at the age of their roster, how many picks they have, guys coming into their prime. I don't know that I thought of Buffalo that way, but you were there

or nearby. Buffalo after I left. After the lockout, Buffalo had they had Drury, Breyer, they had amazing teams. Brian Campbell was playing well. J.P. Dumont was still here. Connolly.

They were, I still remember Jennerette's calls them, these guys are good, scary good. Like, that was 0-7-ish. And then they start, then all those guys that were stars. Yeah. Needed contracts and they couldn't pay for it. Yeah, I'm looking, it was 2011 when he bought them. So I guess the question is, were they similar to Phoenix?

Those guys, I think they made the playoffs his first year that he bought the team. Okay. Then they were going to spend money and build and nothing. Awful deals. I remember too when Glenn Sather left Edmonton and went to the Rangers and the whole thing was there. Look what Sather was able to do with a small market team, no budget. Now you're going to be able to get free agents on all of that. And he got big names.

Yeah. But it didn't work into, didn't win. It was like you weren't a free agent until 31. And Toronto in New York had these huge consequences. but these guys were all in the back nine. They were on the 16th T-box and they signed them. I think being able to spend to the cap makes you, there is a benefit, obviously, to it.

If you've got internal cap issues, you are behind the eight ball already and you had better be phenomenal at your job as far as being a GM. Allowing you to go to the cap makes you great, but spending money, just because you can spend money, you win the lottery and all of a sudden,

you can spend money. Well, you're going to go buy something of value or are you going to go buy a sports car? You don't even blow your brains up for sure. It's the same thing. Especially now where cap space is, is so valuable and being able to spend it wisely.

Again, you talk about how it changes when Winnipeg moved to Phoenix, one of the first players that, one of the first things that happened, they signed Jeremy Rowanick as a free agent. So for people in Matatose, Jeremy Rowanick is playing on the Jets? That would have never.

Like, how do those, to coexist, but anyway, so let's get back to the Pinda report, a presentation of Village Honda, located in the Northwest, Autumn Mall, your dealership for life the part two, I guess. Are we in the most of the other, is it still there? We got one in there. Close.

Did the NFL drafts? Really, really wanted your Chicago Bears takeaway, and I just didn't, Caleb Williams when he was crying in his mummy's arms. So if this ends up being one of the best wrestling, you're going to be not happy because he cried with this mom. No, I'll be, okay, then it was, it was much to do

about nothing. And he's, he's a boy that loves his mom and it's nothing more than that. It is what it's those dumb things. Listen, he was the consensus number one by a mile, by everybody that knows everything about football.

So yeah, seems like it's the, seems like he's the right guy. Uh, where are the bills in here, right? I don't see them. What's going on here?

Uh, listen, Mr. Bean is brilliant. He doesn't do normal. He's a turn of thinker. That's where we see eye to eye on a lot of this stuff. Yeah,

I love that show. He didn't even say a word and you laughed the whole time. Mr. Bean's great. Yeah. They got crushed for, because they trade out of 28 to Kansas City and just everybody crushed them for it. Well, you're trading with the team that continually knocks you out of the playoffs and there's a Super Bowl favorite every year.

He gave him a chance to go get a wide receiver. Now, there is a lot of talk that Mr. Worthy is not a round one wide receiver. Not worthy of round one? Yeah, he's not worthy. So that was the, they weren't. making them and they didn't care. And if Kansas City was going to trade with Dallas or Baltimore or San Fran, they were like, well, we might as well take the assets because we're not taking this worthy guy or these other

guys and we'll trade down and get more. Jack, fastest player ever clocked at the con. Yeah. Is that correct? It's funny, though. You look at the list of fastest guys. It's not the list of best receivers. It's definitely a skill, but it's not root running.

It's not catching. It's not playing. Now, what about you, Pinder? you were hoping for a wide receiver at five. I will get there. I want to go to Jack first at 20. Tell us who the steal,

because I mean, geez, a huge stealer song. What did Pittsburgh do? Do we like it or hate it? We need a hot take from Jack here. I love it. I don't really know who this guy is.

Big Troy, left tackle. Big Troy, Polamalu fan, actually. This guy is. Yeah. Troy on Troy. Their names are.

I love it and I don't know who he is. Thank you, Jack. Thank you, Jack. And yeah, like, here's the thing. Is it easy to dream on wide receivers catching touchdowns in the end zone or right tackles blocking guys? Like the charges took the best player available, but fans want fantasy football positions. They don't care about O lineman, but Harbaugh knows how to win. And if you don't have an O line, you can't run the ball and you can't protect your franchise quarterback who's been hurting back to back years and Justin Herbert.

It's the right pick. You're not getting an offensive superstar, right? He's six foot nine, freaky athlete O lineman. It's like when the flames take a defensive defenseman at nine? No, I don't think you want to do that that high. I don't know what it's like for. I feel like it maybe is. In a draft, it's full of defense,

and everyone's excited about maybe getting a forward or a center. And if you take a defenseman. Yeah, taking a D man, sure. Just, yeah, in the top 10, they're all offensive defensemen, it seems. But yeah, I think that's probably more. It's not the sexy star you're going to, by the jersey for, but it's probably more correlated to winning, which is why Harbaugh did it. His first pick is head coach tied with that old Baltimore GM, and they run the ball religiously

in Baltimore. So like the guy that is the new GM worked in Baltimore. We'll see. It's a freaky athlete. Bender likes it. He's no linemen. Surprising. It's move.

Calvary FC will open their regular season on Sunday. Yes, they played Tuesday at home. That was Canadian championship. And they've got the white caps coming on the 7th of May. But this is league play stinking Pacific in 10. down there it is expecting a juicy crowd 3 p.m. kickoff should be fun and I think the weather's going to cooperate go pour a beer on someone's head pender do it you're encouraging me to do that usually Dean says go out and don't embarrass the show that's sort of get do something get you're

very different direction such thing is bad publicity I guess 16 degrees and sunny on Sunday yeah okay we just got plans 3 p.m. see you there let's get to the dumb shit I know ret and rob Brave, been working on their decks in the backyard. It's a little closer to summer in Buffalo than it is here. Now, this is, you're going to have to squint really hard here with your great eyes, Dean. But it looks like Rob is missing one of the boards for his deck, so he's gone to replace it. He must have got it right there. I keep my.

That's perfect. Holy cow. Now, how big are the hills out there, Red? Because I know there's probably decent mountain biking, not like Rockies, but like it's. Yeah, not mountains, hills. Yeah, mountain, hill biking. Is that what they call it? I got a hill bike.

So here's a race going on by Rettos. I think that lady walking in front of them is part of it. Oh, geez, people. It's a race. Is the other side of the track really a better, that's a good? Some people are dumb and shouldn't get out of the house. Yeah, look at this idiot. Oh, my God.

Yeah, that's some Darwin Award shit right there. Jesus. Now, that's mountain biking. What about bike ramp? Is this one of your kids working on, they want to do some half-pipe stuff with the bike? They're adventurous. If you haven't compressed a vertebrae, consider yourself lucky.

impression right there. That's maybe not even funny. I hope that guy's okay. Dean, you got a pickle guy? I do, yeah. Did you ever notice? Have you seen a pickle guy lately? I haven't. No, you need to get some pickles. Definitely do, yeah.

Improve your attitude. Brian, that's the smell. Yeah. Turn. Yeah, I don't want pickles anymore. What is this show? Dean, you like piratas? We have Stephen Brunt on to talk about one of the best podcasters.

Do you like piranhas? You got very sharp teeth. Zip ties, no sweat. Zink. That's a handy tool you could have. You'd probably need to have in a bowl water at the kitchen, but that's a, ooh, say goodbye to your finger. Jeez.

Yeah. Windy Rhodes. I don't think this is Lethbridge, but I do recall Drydeny, Luthbridge. What was her name? Windy Rhodes. Oh. she was my favorite

I keep an eye on this trailer in the right this is like a huge valley and the wind blew a car over the bridge jeez cars are spinning out oh the west and kate mate I don't know where this is

is that wind blowing cars south africa might be definitely keep driving don't stop just keep driving well the guy that stopped went over I don't know that there is a good option there

we haven't had spiders in a while dean so good thing this came across my desk today I swear it's just getting worse and worse oh it started it is disgusting they're literally everywhere Mormon crickets apparently they don't bite dean they just doesn't matter you still have to step on them cover your property that's all they do our entire neighborhood is flooded with these things our whole town is move You're moving. I just,

ugh, it is disgusting. Call the Orkin Man. No, no, call the moving company. I just wish they'd go away. Call Derek Newman and his real estate company.

You're moving. And I can't go outside because as I'm sure you'll see, there you go. They are under our patio and they just randomly let go and they fall. And with the fusion in my neck,

I can't risk. Oh, dear. One of them landing on me and me reacting. and hurting my neck. I don't need to hear her. It's just madden. Yeah, she said they're even on the hospital.

It's tough. Now, this is before the locust come or the locusts. No, that's started. As it started? Hatches on. Oh, I'm excited for you. You guys, because it's what, the 13 year and the 11 years or pairing up this year?

17 and 13? Anyway, it's going to be awesome. Cicadas, cicadas, I don't know. John Cicada. Okay. Ret and Rob, excited about the summer weather coming. They got the old inflatable pool out on the trampoline. Love to see you having fun, Rhett.

This is great. You know what? It was time to replace that trampoline anyway. Those are the old ones without the sides. Unsafe. Right through the math. Those are the spring ones. It was the new ones without springs.

I saw a guy, my neighbors moving in Calgary. And so he sold his kid the trampoline, which hasn't been used in five years anyway. this poor bugger that came to buy it. I'm sure the deal was, yeah, it's $100. Come get it. He was out there for hours. And you could just tell he was like,

I have to do this. I've got it. I've got no other way of dealing with it. There's no, I have to. If there was a way out of this, I would, but I can't. It was still frozen in the ground and he was trying to. Oh, no. Dead left it out.

So good. Now, uh, there's a tree in Rob's yard that was getting in the way. So he decided to get at her. Here we go. Let's take a look because you chainsaw, get that tree out of there.

Run the view to Rett's, uh, living room to the shovelers chain. There's trying to wedge it. And then we go up. Oh, shit. That's not good, Dean.

getting shirts on that. Tricky. Cool. And the last one's called crock surf. Oh, good. Let's have a rip. Look at them go. You are brave than me.

Look how close is getting to these jerks. Are they afraid of him? More than he's afraid of them. That's backward. But at some point, he's going to wipe out. Right. This is where my head was going. Especially when you're going over land.

Like, whoops, I fell, and now I'm an appetizer. I used to have two arms. Now I have one. Croxurf, Dean. Put it on your to-do list. Just one, Dean. That's improvements. That's your Pender Report on Friday.

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this is again, inside hockey talk, being in the program this way, I can't save comments or I can't control the chat stuff either. So not ideal. If you don't like it, I'll just tell Jack, do it the other way.

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Contest ends April 30th, 2024 skill test required for rules, visit service. orgia slash win. There you have it. You wanted to mention, and I know we were talking, the new Greta in Toronto is open. Oh, this is the weekend of Dodgers or in town? I've been watching on their social media in that. Casey's been,

Casey's out there and he's pulling on all the stops. It is awesome. And that side room that they have here, and the reason I bring it up is because Casey, we were doing watch parties over at Greta on 10th Avenue, when the, when the flights were still playing hockey. He said,

maybe we should do something. Maybe you're for an oiler fan or maybe do anti-oilers. It's a cool place to watch a game is what you need to know. They just have those big screens too. They're even bigger and better. Yeah. So I think that probably when you're thinking about Greta, obviously you're thinking about the archie

Cades and have that, you know, the bar, the street for that whole thing. And it's awesome for that. You may not think of it immediately as a sports bar because it's not. But yet that one side of Greta kind of is. They've got the TV set up there, lots of seed and great food, great drinks. So don't sleep on Greta if you're looking for a place to go and boo the oilers. Yes. I do have an update from the Greta opening in Toronto. Oh, do you? I had someone reach out from our organization in Toronto that said, hey, I was at Greta opening last night. And someone told me the, um, the Sonos speaker story from All Star Break. Oh, yes. And he's like, is it true? Oh, it's true.

Like, who told you? He was like, oh, yeah, one of the sales guys in Toronto, the Greta opening. And, uh, yeah, it's true. It happened. And, uh, just getting back to sea level after that one. you're fortunate that you saw sea level again let alone yeah i thought it'd be six feet under soil never run water yeah yeah yeah it's a good sunny weekend greta opening weekend in toronto why are we not there guys we got to be more organized jack it's jack let's get into the great clips inbox

how do you take part in the great clips so you what is it what what you just got to send your emails in email the show you got questions you got thoughts you got all this great clips inbox at Flamesnation.ca is the email. Well, great clips. You know what great clips is all about. 4,400 hair salons throughout the U.S. and Canada. World's largest hair salon brand, official hair salon of the NHL. Seven days a week, locally owned and operated. You get the Great Clips Checkin app.

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For more information, go online, greatclips.com with great clips. It's going to be great. It's got to be great. One that was here on the old Chatteroo from George. Do you guys ever think of doing a show where we could call in and ask questions? I think it's a horrible idea. I do think about it. I wouldn't risk it, Dean.

Terrible. Ret, you, I mean, you always want to take you. I've learned from the best that this is, I've pushed for it. Yeah. I pushed my luck and I had to learn the hard way, George. What's the name of that segment we used to do? Phones. Phones.

Hey, Jack, how do you like the Steelers pick? Now, you kind of, again, can we just get a recap on how you feel about the Steelers pick? Ken wants to know. Yes, I believe I said I like the pick, but I don't really know who he is. he's a lineman he is big he's grit he's stealer football i don't i don't understand it myself what you're saying offensive linemen defensive linemen do we know which side of the baller plays on that i like the pick but i don't know who he is so

he's just trusting the process how many bills players have been you don't know i know i listen i'm a true fan i understand what the bills are trying to accomplish i know who they're targeting like oh really yeah I can't tell you. It's a secret. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Walshie is in, Great Clips inbox. Need more Brunt.

Yeah. I could see that happening. I've been pushing for Brunt, Dean. You're always worried about imposing on people. People love coming to chat with you. I don't know that that's accurate either. I feel like it's a nuisance. He was happy to talk to.

I know. Thrill. He didn't look upset at all. It was good to talk to him. Miss that. Miss that. guy. This one here is from

Tyler. Hey, boom, love the show, especially the great clips. Inbox segment each week. A hockey question for the Barnburner's squad. Kempi or Rempe? Sincerely, Tyler. Like he's having some fun there with the D. Tempe, please.

Yeah, I'll still take Kempai. If it's a fight in the alley, I'm taking Rempay. Right. Yeah. I don't know. Kempi guy. It sounds what you're looking for, I guess. Yeah, it depends what you're after.

So, okay, two to one. This is from Brett. Retro, today on the show you were talking about the chavella drink from that takaria. Looked up the recipe. It's suggested adding a splash of tequila or having it as an accompanying shot. What are your thoughts? Tequila in the drink, tequila on the cider, no tequila at all. Thanks, go, flames go.

That's from Brett. So just in terms of your tequila, put it in the drink and have it on the side. Let's get at it. It's gorgeous out. Spring. Spring in the big. Let's, don't monkey around here. What kind of drink is it?

Did I miss that yesterday? Do we never really get a good description of it? We never really finished it. It's the chivella. I don't think it's that rare, but for some reason it was really good at that place. So delicious, hey, when it touches your lip. Chebella. It's like a beer margarita.

It's just going to stick. It looks like a Caesar beer. Yeah. I'm in. Yeah, that'll work Friday. Sure. Let's do it. Yeah.

12-1. It's weird because there was a time, it's, I know, I mean, for me, there was a time of my life, I thought I'm done with tequila. You get sick on it when you're dumb and you're a kid and you're doing it. I don't get it. But then as you get older, I've actually come to really enjoy the tequila drink. You know what's happened too is that they used to not send any 100% of gave tequila out of Mexico.

So you, everyone thought tequila tequila was just shit. And then in the last 25 years, you've actually seen very good tequila leave Mexico. And, you know, when we were drinking cheap shit shots that were horrible and not 100% of gabia, you're like, oh, this is tequila. It's horrible. But now there's actually many you would sit and sip, never mind to even shoot. I got a tequila bought for me when I was in Florida.

Yeah. Delicious. Yeah. I'm a big tequila guy. That might be if I do power rankings of liquors. So good. Just. Straight.

Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. I've got a bit of a two-parter here for you right now. Actually, I just need to grab this here. I think that was the drink, but whatever. Well, you were the one there.

I know. How the fuck are we supposed to know what you're doing? Well, he's just, obviously. We're scrambling around. Push-ups. Okay. Two sheets to the wind. I owe you a one.

Mexican beer with tomato juice. Lime. Rims done nicely. Maybe it was. So we had a lot of them. Relax. It's like a Kalada, right? Yeah.

That's the, I enjoy when I'm in Mexico having the Ojo Rojo. You do love the Ojo. I do love the Ojo Rojo. Red eye. Little red eye with the spicy, yeah. That's good. Okay, two-partner. This is from Cindy.

I'm traveling with my son to Philadelphia on Tuesday. See there, Cindy. Play hockey in the World Selects Tournament. I'm in Boston right now with my daughter for hockey. then we're driving from Boston to Philly. Was listening to you talk about some of the places Frank took you to while in Philly to watch wrestling. Any suggestions? My son is looking for some good Philly food.

Well, yeah, one place you got to tell them about. Well, yeah, it was De Nix roast pork. Roast pork. It's in the Redding Terminal Market. Actually, I just, I clipped or I tagged, Frank. It showed up on my Twitter somehow. I saw that video. Did you see her love?

Yes. That's the place and that's the sandwich. It literally, as you guys described it, and I guess you had a photo or two, but it's like, the roast pork, broccoli, raw, bread, that whole thing. So you got to go to the market. And now, now I'm just calling up Frank's text. Never got to Angelo's pizza, but everybody there. I saw, damn it, good morning football, used to work for Jim Rome.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck, he's funny, too. Yeah. Anyway, he went there, Angelo's pizza in, in Philly. is, uh, is the way to go. So and then, then as far as your, Kyle Brandt, Kyle Brandt, he, uh, he took a video of him having some people. And I think it's just, you stand on the street.

There's no, it's take out only. So that's a classic, uh, as well. And then your cheese steaks, uh, there's, there's the two that, uh, everybody goes to competing. I would say when you get there, ask, ask locals. Where, where do you go for the, for, for, a real cheesecake because there's there's the places with the neon and everybody talks about but where do you go so those would be uh some quick ones there also little known fact guys

Cindy is bill's wife Bill Bill the guy was our barn work barn burner the cookies part one of the email hi guys this is Cindy I hear you guys are looking for some more cookies wall I'll send some your way soon Oh, Cindy's already gone and in Boston. Yeah, she's in Boston, then headed to Philly. Because I'm going to Philly. So, yeah, you mentioned. Maybe, uh, I was going to say she could bring the cookies there.

Yeah. Are you going to go to DeNix? Are you going to go to Angelo's? Going to have to do something. Yeah. That's a good thing. It's a chore, but he'll do it. I'm going to have to do.

I don't want to work, though. So what, uh, schedule that in? What are you doing there? Oh, what do you think? Some sort of selects hockey nonsense, keep playing all year round. Yeah, yeah. This one's from Patrick.

You bought life insurance. Hey, Rhett, do you know the Hunter Brothers from Seanovan? My dad and the Hunter Brothers are good pals. Is that right? You bet you they are. I'm not, but they, yeah. Now, I don't, I can't stand the bastard. No, yeah.

Yeah, it gets on gray with them. So the Hunter Brothers, uh, country. music musicians from Saskatchewan. Family. Yes, it is more than it's the family. And they are playing at the grandstand show for Stampede. So every night.

Come on. There you're great. Very talented. Multi-talented. Some of them have their pilots license, big farmers down in Seanovan. And who was the guy? Was it which Hunter played?

It was Luke Hunter who played for the Broncos in Swift Current. So that was the, the one tie. So little, so when you see the Hunter brothers, know that one of them played for the Swift Current Broncos and apparently, as the story goes, stole Andrew Walker's girlfriend

at one point. Wouldn't be difficult. That's an upgrade. For the girl. Oh, clearly. Yeah. Yeah. Andrew going from girlfriend to no girlfriend is not an upgrade. What's that move? The story walks. Oh.

It should happens, man. Sorry, dude. A couple quick ones here, Jack had. Do we really want to build the flames like the stars, considering how they are struggling in the playoffs? First place, I think, was more of the, let's get back to the playoffs. You got to be in there to win.

You got to be there. Yeah, well, and there's been some other interesting sort of parallels. Yes, they have older guys making too much money, and they've survived that. They also had Miro Hayskin in the top three. You let me know when the flames get one of those. Yeah. Yeah, I will take the two games that Dallas has played, and I'll absorb that.

I'll allow that to take place for, to, to, yes, yeah, I would still take the Dallas stars. It would be all right. They might be okay in that series, too. You're going to, you're right about that. I've got a long one. Great clips. It's going to be great. Get the great clips check-in app.

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Mad Rose Pub. Oh. May as well go to Madrose. We got Matt make games this weekend. I can watch. I'm going to put a schedule for you. That's a good question by you. It's just announced the start time.

Since today's to us tomorrow. The 27th, you're going to have a 3 p.m. game. Florida, Tampa. Wait. No, that's a, it's Boston tonight? Correct. No.

Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Rangers. Canucks, Jets, Oilers, all the road teams tonight. Retro, maybe in the road trip up north. To where. Oh, really? Trana.

Saturday night, 8 p.m. Bring your wallet. That's a thousand bucks to get in, I bet. Extremely wealthy. And how modest. Oh, you do both. I don't know. It's crazy how that happens.

Let's do our Betway bets. Betway bets tonight. What do we got for you? Well, the NHL is going to serve up some hockey games and we're going to watch them. And with Betway, we might even, you know, dip a toe. Rangers at the Caps, Canucks are in Nashville, the abs host the Jets,

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Offer, though, only available outside of Ontario. I'm going to Colorado Jets, Aves, Kail McCar. He has, now let me get this, uh, Camacar pretty good. Yeah, currently leads the club in scoring through two games. He got five points. Jesus. Enteres the game today, the opportunity to become the fifth defenseman in NHL history to record multiple assists in the first three games of a postseason.

Geez. Al McKinnis did it once. Chris Chelyos did it once. So McCar, looking to, you know, join some Hall of Famers. A two-point effort plus 162, one power play point plus 135. McKinnon, on the minus side, on all of the, of these. Isn't that crazy? Is into the plus, so I'll, I'll give it a go.

Because I do think he plays power play, and we know he gets points. So, and I think Colorado is getting some goals, even if they tighten things up a little bit. So come on, Kale for my Betway bets. All hail, Kail, Dean. I'm going to go to, well, a couple of just straight puck lines.

Rangers are much better than Washington. Let's see them put them on the brink, minus one and a half, plus 145. This worked the other night in the sense that I bet it, in LA1, so I'm staying right with it. Plus 165 for the Oilers on the puck line minus one and a half.

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Cal tire. Because let's be honest. We all have vehicles and we all have tires on the vehicles. They work better with the tires. What do you know about tires? What's the difference between the tires? Do you don't go like this? Yeah, I'll get a couple of the round ones.

Yeah. And, yeah, they spit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can actually use a little help. I don't really know what I want for compounds and tread. I don't know anything about that. Don't know about it. Don't know about it.

Not proposed us. Real, really appreciate your time. great show today. Thank you to Steve and Brunt. Thank you to Darren Dregger, of course, for always being. A hell of a show, do you know? Yeah, heck of a show. Heck of a show. Have a fine weekend. So what are you doing, Warner? You're going to what? Philly. It's not terrible. Next week. Next week. Oh, this weekend. Shows, isn't he? Tuesday. Yeah. Oh, midweek. Yeah, it's a long weekend, Philly. I might send the shovel. To do the show with us or to? No, to Philly. And then I can do the show because I love doing the show.

They're dedicated. Yeah. I don't want to have to drive and do the show. Yeah, those aren't your best efforts necessarily. I mean, I like it. It's great. The try. It's just the reception sort of came in.

You know, the, you know, they got the cameras in the dressing rooms and stuff. Pull back the curtain. Yes. Yeah. It looks all professional and put together,

but we're just people too. Even seemingly wealthy superstars like yourself, you're just a person. You put your pants on one leg at a time. I can see right here. You what? I got to cut my toenails. Look,

they don't want it. See you, guys. Big off the gaps. I'd be remiss, and I know it's tough to have this, I was hoping it's going to be

a little bit better of a situation because we just lost a game in the playoffs. But I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the passing of Bob Cole. And I know it has nothing to do with this game, but it kind of does because I'm probably not coaching in this league if it wasn't growing up and having a passion for this game

because of the voice of that man. I was a little kid, and I used to go down and play hockey by myself, and it was all because of the emotion that Bob Cole brought to this game and he's the Wayne Gretzky of announcers my passion for this game is built on what Bob

Cole said and every night watching hockey night in Canada turned that thing on at 5 o'clock just to hear his voice and had the pleasure in 2018 his last well he was he was going to retire the next year

and he came down to Montreal and he came down to the room and I'm not starstruck that often, but I was starstruck when he came down. And he was such a wonderful man. And in the sacred grounds of the Bell Center in Montreal, after a pregame skate, it was just the two of us. And he took me, I don't know, God, how old he would have been at the time.

And he took me upstairs in the gondola in Montreal, where he called the game. And I got to put a headset on where he was, where he called games. And I don't know. Yeah, that was it. And it was one of the coolest moments I'd ever met in my life, been, had a part of my life was to stand there with him. And so to all his friends and family and to everybody that grows up loving this game,

I'm going to miss that man because he was a superstar. in this sport. And again, to his family.