Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Heated Flames Talk 🔥 Compete, Rebuild, Or Stay FOREVER MID?? | FN Barn Burner

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Boomer, Pinder, and Rhett dive into a heated discussion about the future of the Calgary Flames. What is the actual plan here? Are they trying to make the playoffs, rebuild, or just stay stuck in mediocrity forever? The guys vent their frustrations and try to make sense of the direction—or lack of one—for this team.https://youtu.be/rq5xLxCP1hc#nhl #nhlshorts #calgaryflames #calgary #stanleycup #nhlplayoffs #nhlteam #nhlrumours #nhltradesLet us know what you think in the comments below!!BARN BURNER BLONDEhttps://originbrewing.myshopify.comFLAMESNATION MERCHhttps://nationgear.ca/collections/shirts/FlamesnationBARN BURNER SHORTShttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj_bcGtvvo-cW2DHEDZ6dEO5ePDmlhZc9&si=jo8iNGxT4ImhS2Y8INSTANT REACTIONShttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj_bcGtvvo-dO2AraHTeftSpPt00evo8M&si=lY5D3nk8zVtrQgql🚨 Subscribe to @Flames_Nation on Youtube 🚨➡️ / @flames_nation🔥 Barn Burner with Boomer, Pinder, & Rhett Warrener➡️ • Flames Nation Barn Burner🔥 After Burner➡️ • Flames Nation After Burner@dailyfaceoff2563 LIVE with Frank Seravalli:➡️ / @dailyfaceoff2563💻 Website: https://flamesnation.ca🐦 Follow on Twitter: @FlamesNation @960boomer @PinderReport @Warrener44📺 Subscribe on Youtube: @Flames_Nation Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

hell are they doing that's what they're making the playoffs next year or we all we're doing the soft what the does that feel like a soft rebuild doesn't it what does that mean it means they're not going to move guys until they're kind of forced to like they are now with rasmus because he's not going to resign so if we want to talk about it in a positive sense we say they're being patient I wouldn't be like I what I fear is that this front office doesn't have the confidence to make a bold move that says here's the direction we're going that's my fear because it'd be really easy to say we're putting a stake of the ground this is a bleepin RB and we're going to be in the mix from McKenna and DuPont it's not that hard you move a cadre Coleman Rasmus backland sure yes last year his deal you could I mean, you could even take calls of McKinsey Weger. I think you need to keep some good players.

And his term has only got, what, four years left. But still, you, you could easily turn this into a hard R.B. I kind of hope they do, but I don't think they will. It's not, like you say, that's not hard to do. Doesn't guarantee you anything. There's a lot of teams to do that we'll sell off our aging guys and get some stuff. And sometimes that stuff is okay. And other times it's just some stuff.

your own picks just going to be way high. We'll get that, right? That's what I'm talking. I understand. But even still, if it, there's a simplicity that is laid, that is attached to rebuilding. So we'll just trade you guys and get some picks and prospects. And then you're good. Every team would do it. I just look at the teams that win the cups and they've all done it. The cores of those teams all were built and the best flames teams in the past 30 years, I'll say, was a team that was built through the draft. It's tough to find a cup winner that the core of that team isn't built through a rebuild. And so if you want to make the playoffs, and that's your prerogative as an organization,

you're not that far away. You lost the tie break. But if you actually want to win a cup, I think you're a long way away. And you need to boldly say this is the path we're going because we want to win a cup. Because they say we want to win a cup, but so do 31 other teams. Are you acting like you want to win a cup? because if you bring back all these guys and add at the deadline

because you're two points into a playoff spot, you're actually closer to a cup. You're just in the dance. But you've got to be in a dance if you want to win the cup. Right, but if you don't want a cup, you actually need to pick in the top three or four a bunch. I mean, where do you get your Barkovs and Eckblads? Yeah, you got to make good deals along the way

where you can pick up Ryanhart and Kachuk and you sign Bob. But all these teams, their spines are with top three picks in the draft. Yeah. It's McKinnon. It's McCarr. It's McDavid. it's dry sidel it's dowdy it's cane and taves all these guys are right at the top of the draft and those

are the spines of these teams that win cups do you honestly believe even if next year we can get in that this is the type of team that has the ability i always i've said it long can you elevate your game they look at the playoffs out yeah like the playoffs is okay now we're in and we're going to have to up our production by 25 percent like i think i think think there's some guys they have that would be and have been very good playoff performers. Like I think Cadry and Coleman and Pospicil and Klapka, their style of play would be really good in the playoffs because you can get away with a little more and they've got some dirt under their nails. Weger's got some of that moxie too. But I just-

Pospicel is going to have to get his act together, sorry. Well, he needs, yeah, he's afraid of the player safety department. That's the problem. The playoffs doesn't have to worry about that as much. But point being, I just don't know that you say, oh yeah, if they played the Jets, they would rolled. No, like this year's team, they couldn't score. And there was no reason to think that they were going to be able to even if goals go down in the playoffs, which really they didn't. We looked at the final. It was like seven goals, eight goals a game. Um, you can, you can squint and probably be sold. Sharon Govich will have a better year. I like to finish to the year, right? The injury

screwed him up. And even still he had how many goals? 17, 17 goals on an awful, awful kind of year. Could you get more out of Farabee? He's shown it in the past, like a little bit more. Yep. His shooting percentage was rock bottom. You can't be that bad again. Can Frost give a little bit more? Can Zeri stay healthy? He will give you more. Does Coronado continue to score? You'd assume so. And that's kind of how they get in this conundrum, right? Yeah, but it all adds up to F all because guess what? The other, the 10th place team and the 11th place team and the 12th place team are all going to say if yeah this this this this this happened guess what we're right there oh i know i know i just like as as it sits right now if you believe in wolf and

you saw the way the defense plays and who knows i only believe my only not to jump on you there but the only person i do believe in is wolf that's your and it's not a negative against the other guys I just don't know. You know, you say Coleman and Cadre. And I think, okay, yeah, could they up? I mean, you go watch Marchand go to the playoffs in Florida and performs unbelievably. I don't think he was very good this year. Four nations.

I didn't think he could keep up. Yeah. I was like, okay, it's coming in two and then. So could Cadry and Coleman elevate? Maybe. But. They're both coming off like career high type seasons. I think Codry's been great.

Coleman, I feel like at 33. he's going to be a good soldier for you, but don't rely on him for offense. That's not his contribution. The one guy, just to cut it like your point, and I totally agree with you, the one guy that they have

that I think we don't view in that lens because McKinnon was at number one and McCar's top five and all that, but the one guy they have that can have that type of a game-changing impact is Wolf. And we see him as a seventh round. Oh, he's a high-end top of the first round type talent now.

impact maker. Yeah. So the flame, they do have one of those impact guys and he's in net. And you're hoping that Perrette can be another, but it's a rookie year this year. He even knows if he can play in this league. I think he will and he can,

but you're going to have some growing pains. He's not a stalwart defensive guru. So even though we're geniuses, we don't know what we would do with this team. No, I know exactly. Like, we sell old parts, but like here's the thing. Nazim, you could trade right now.

Are you sure? in a year or in two years or in three years you can. Because it would be really silly in 10 years to look back. Like we had this asset. We could have turned into some nice young pieces. But we just let him age out. And then as he got worse, the young guys were better. And we didn't have anything to show for it. What if there's a tipping point on the return though? Because you say, you can trade him. Yeah. But what if it's a second and a fourth? Yeah, you probably, you'd have to really be committed to the rebuild. Because it's $7 million. It's four more years. It's still not the easiest contract to move you can eat it but okay then what are we so are you better off keeping them and

playing them or do you get them off your roster for a less than for for a return that may not help you at all i just look at the like the lease for example out of end for nothing if you if if if john tavers is not signed with the leaps try to tell me who their second center is no i agree so i think you could get a lot for some in in the right circumstances here and i don't know I think the player is desirable. I think he'd be a great fit. I just, we assume you're going to get this return. What? So Brock Nelson is like a year younger and he just got a first, a top prospect and a player.

Now, it was an expiring contract. He's got three years on his new deal, not four. But I think you're closer to that return than you are to a second and a fourth. You scored 30 goals and he's the number two center. Can I just add this to the list of things? More importantly, what are you doing with? your cap space. And if Nazim Kodry

is a desirable asset in Toronto, it's like we said about Anderson lot. You'd have. And you eat some of that. I just think if it's that easy, if you're getting a first and a prospect, should be done already. Got to do it, don't you? It's done. You have to do it.

Which is why I don't know if it's that easy. But the only reason you wouldn't do it is if you're trying to make the playoffs next year. Because there's no way that return gets you closer to the playoffs. It takes you further away. And it gets back to where we started. What are you doing? Are you rebuilding? Are you pushing chips in? Or you're trying to do both? Because doing both, almost impossible. Yeah. And see, I, I'd like to think it's somewhere in the middle that it's not as easy for either side.

I don't, I don't think they necessarily think they're a point away from getting in the playoffs and then being a cup champion. I think they know what they are. They're offensively challenged. But they're a team that's scrappy and they fight and they win some games they shouldn't yeah they lose it but they got great goal tending and you can build from the net out but i also think that if they were getting these types of offers for cadre and hey we'd love blake coleman we'll give you if you had all of these offers that were sitting there they're not stupid like we can turn if we we get a first here and a first there we can use the picks we can move the picks we can turn this around in a year and half so you think if you went to the owner and said we're going to miss the playoffs next year but look

who we get for Cadry, that'd be greenlit? You already missed the playoffs. Well, trying to get better. They're going to take seven times four of Cadry and we, I think you can frame that conversation with the owner, yeah. Yeah, and to Rett's point, you make it

four years at three and a half and ask for more in trade. Well, the other thing that we never mentioned is that two years ago, you couldn't move Codry for. Caps gone up and he's been good. He's aged nicely. Don't get me wrong. I'm just, I know, frame it that you're just having a discussion. I would be moving them.

The best predictor of future activities is what people have done in the past. The way Conroy's rolled is when, no, it's not. Any of us, frankly. But the way Connie's dealt with issues is when there's a pressure point, he deals with them. And when I look at Bill Zito, there was no pressure point on Hubert O, aside from, I guess, being a year away from UFA. but he was just like, can't wait with this guy. Got to do it now. That's a bold decision.

That's a bold decision. That pressure point was more the Kachuk doing. It wasn't a Florida. Yeah, because this guy's on the market. Holy shit. Right. But I guess what I'm saying is if you're going to make a call on a Nassum or a Coleman, that's, ooh, geez, like that might threaten playoff revenue.

I don't know. Like this is a, we'll just wait it out and we'll see. And at the deadline, I'll know. But they did that last year and they added zero prospects to the system over the course of the year. Yeah, because they were. You could have in the hunt. Well, Frank Brown said yesterday. The worst case scenario is to get it.

Don't trade Anderson. Then you get, hey, look at us. We're pretty good. How are you? going to trade this guy. And that's the mistake. You can't make that mistake. Like you said, make a blood oath with yourself, but there's, you can't.

There's too many forces, including ownership from the outside, that can convince you or try to convince you that you can't trade this guy because we are, we got something special here. I think the other side too, you know, you, you, this is, we talk about this. It's the never-in-story. I guess it's summer. And this is what we do. Some teams that rebuild do a good job. Yeah, the problem is everyone says, Buffalo, right?

And those guys aren't good at it. No, they're terrible. Like Ottawa's a nice, exciting team to watch right now. They were terrible for a very long time and a joke. Yes. They weren't good at it. They had a bad GM.

The owner was too hansy. Yeah. Like, so, okay. Hey, we're close. We're going to go get to Brinket. Didn't work. Hey, we're close. We're going to get chikrin.

Didn't work. Like, they, they cut corners. And that's kind of what Trou Living did here. He thought he was a hammock away and gave away Dobson in two seconds. Right?

Like it's... My biggest beef with the, with trees stuff was the, was the GEO and the Monaghan. The trading of Monaghan with a pick, with a first to get him off the books to sign Cadry. And you can just LTR guy if he's hurt.

And the GEO was not making a Giordano trip. And lose it. him to Seattle for nothing. Nothing. What the those are the two ones that stand because it's hindsight gives you the if they'd have had more success with Haminer

I'm not saying it was the right but it was an attempt and you've got a player that could play and contribute blah blah blah blah blah the Gerdano thing you knew what was happening. You weren't making the playoffs you were losing him if you made him available. Yeah, it's like he's not intended it wasn't happening. It was it was and the

And the Monahan thing, how is that anything other than a panic? Oh, I have to do something. Yeah, it felt like an emotional mood, didn't it? When a guy walks and says, I'm done, it's like, no, no, no, we're going to punch back. That was the terminology he used. Like, that's emotional. That's not logical. This is a job for logic, not emotion.

Oh, somebody insulted our city. We got to approve the guys will sign here. Here's too much money, Jonathan Hubertoe, and it's all bonus loaded so you can't buy it out. That's emotional. The Hamannock trade, he comes in, and it's kind of Rasmus-esque, because one of the things about Hamnick was good right-shot defensemen, but it was his cap hit. That's why he was regarded and you're going to have to pay more. From the Islanders with a fourth for a first, second, and conditional second. They used the first on Noah Dobson.

It was very good. Ruslan Ishikov, Ishikov, and Samuel Bull Duke. were taken with the picks. The flames used that fourth on Lucas Fuchs. And why did that deal get done? They had Johnny at 24. It was Kachuk's first year. Montahan was 22.

And on the back end, they had Gio, Brody, and Dougie Hamilton. And they felt like this would give them a formidable top four defenseman. And instead he looked like a third pair guy almost from the get-go. with up and coming young forward crew. Cajor scored 24. Monahan 31. Cichuck as a rookie had 24. Now is that a soft rebuild?

What they did? Do you know what I mean? Like if this is what we're calling, is that what their reference point is? Well, we got Johnny late. Okay. Awesome. Great show.

You picked high for Cucucucch. You picked up in Monaghan. We're both high picks. And then we ended up with Bennett. And that's, but you had to miss. significantly to get those, right? Like, is that the idea?

Is we're not going to crater so bad that it's a first, but we might be picking eighth to 14th? I think they traded Bowmeister and a Gila in 12. And they were back in the playoffs in the spring of 15. That's probably as good as you can do. Now, you hit in the fourth round on a superstar. That's, you can't have, that doesn't have more than once a decade or two.

But yeah, like we always worry about being, geez, if you rebuild, you're going to look at Buffalo. Well, look. That's never happened to a history of the game. And can you find me a more incompetent blend of owner coach GM over the last 15 years than what they've done? Today, it was the clip. Oh, it was Barney. Difficult team to deal with. Difficult team to deal with.

Yeah. So like Buffalo is an absolute worst case scenario and everyone always talks about it. But why does no one talk about the quicker turnarounds and the ones that were? because that's your other option. You know, the truth's going to be in the middle, but don't be afraid of the boogeyman. There's also good outcomes here too. Yeah, and every,

you can compare rebuilds, but chances are it's going to be hard to find a direct comparison. Sure, of course. Right and what this team doesn't have right now. Okay, so they've drafted Coronado and he had a nice little breakout, you know, was there,

but they're $10 million dollar players, Jonathan Hubert, though. It's not Nate McKinnon. It's not a superstar. Yeah, he was supposed to be, and it wasn't. That's what threw them into rebuild. So,

So, yeah, Jonathan Hebrot was the same guy that was in Florida. There's no rebuild. You are a good playoff team. Like, it's just that.

Like, he's, he's turned himself in from a third line way or into a second line where you thought you were getting a 100 plus point guy. Last year,

28 goals, 62 points in 81 games. Yeah, it's a little more than half of what he had the year before he got here. Yeah. And it feels like that's probably,

oh, if you could do it again. Continue, please. Yeah. It's probably the best case. Now, no one talks about,

the Uyghur part of that deal. He is very valuable at that cap it and a very good player, your best defenseman. 30 sides. Yep. And how many years left? Do you want to talk about? No. Okay.

Good trouble. In this car. Love Wager. His contract ends in 31. Just around the car. 4, 5, 6 more. That's 625. Yeah.

And so, you know, people say, why not trade Uigher, keep her? Rasmus. Well, Rastas can be locked into the mid-30s in terms of the year at a way higher number because that's where the market is. And I already think we're better. It's where your team is going. If you think you're a playoff team, you keep Rasmus Anderson. That's the fear. If they walk into the season with them, that scares me. Or even if you'd been making the playoffs the last couple of years and maybe you won around, maybe you didn't.

If he's 28, I think. And you're in and you're kind of a team. Yeah. then yes you're a key part of what we're doing we're a playoff team we're hoping to get to round three we're building we got some young guys coming in that yeah you don't have any of this conversation but you miss the playoffs again and and he knows it and you know it so that's the other part too is he knows it he's yeah do not try and convince a guy to be here that doesn't want to be here but if you could somehow find a really good young center in the next two three summers

you might actually be good when you get to the new building