Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Heritage Classic Recap With Frank Seravalli | FN Barn Burner - October 30th, 2023

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

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Welcome in, everybody, it is another week, another edition to Barnburner here on the 30th of October, as we are set for All Hallows Eve, getting ready. Are we excited? Do you still, do your kids still trick or treat retro? Oh, damn right. Is that right, Andy? Shoveler gets all dressed up and her modest outfit she can find and heads out, loves it. Nurse again, huh, honey? Yeah. well dress keeps getting shorter every year

and of course your kids are all into it there Pender what are we oh gosh yeah well they're into Star Wars right now we did a early pandemic viewing and it was just long enough

ago that they don't really remember it so they're going through the series again we got a Storm Trooper we got a Vader Spocked at one point close yeah

that's not Star Trek you found it yet uh Lots to get to today. We are going to have our NHL Insider, Frank, Sarah Valley, just a little bit later than usual. Just a little bit later.

As it turns out, air travel, a little dicey. Weird. Post-pandemic, you say. Yeah, sometimes your flight doesn't quite leave on time. And what do you hit you butt your lip? No, I can't see. And something popped up on my screen. So I'm trying to.

Got it. Here. Owner Pills. Assessing. Yeah. Uh, well, uh, I know for myself, we did the live stream for Betway last night during the hockey game. And then we did after burner. And I am pumped that I get another opportunity to talk about last night's game.

I was kind of done with it. That's weird, Dean. You still have more. Well, I'm, uh, it's a professional. Yeah. I have so much more to say. I have so many opinions that I haven't already shared that, uh, thank goodness for today's, uh, today's episode. The Flames go into Edmonton to Commonwealth and fall by a score of five to two.

Now they get power play goals. Power play. Savard. Yeah, just keep getting five on threes for 80 seconds and we'll really see this thing, hum. Yeah, it was a combined 246 of five on three time for the flames last night. Scored one of those goals on a five on three, the other one on a five on four. And the jerseys looked good. We kind of suffice that last night that was kind of, those are the takeaways as far as positives. Yeah, yeah, absolutely that. And to say they look good, well, really only from warm up on before that, I don't know that we love.

Fashion wise, they looked good. Not getting off the bus, though. We acknowledge that. Oh, I see what you're saying. No, that, yeah. We touched upon. Part marks on the fashion. You were half asleep when we talked to you last night, Red.

They wore overalls and white t-shirts. Most of them didn't even wear shirts. Yeah, some didn't, they just went topless with the thing. Explain to me what they were going. Because you were a player, you did gimmicky stuff like this. What were they going for? I don't. That one had me bamboozled.

It's a good word to use whenever you can. And I'm, they had me 100. percent bamboozled i don't know what it was but they were trying to pull off i've seen uncle ken riding a tractor and overalls so maybe they big fans of kenny but did uh i'm not sure what that speaks to the west i was good so do you think they were in cahoots with the oilers some of the players we're going to be because with oilers we're going to wear because they wore kind of the construction or just that maybe they're more oil guys hard hat or And so we're going to be the guys going to work on the oil rigs,

and you guys can be the Western guys or the... This doesn't feel like Cahoots. This feels like someone's horrible perception of what Western Canada is. Great take, Ryan. That's exactly what is. You put on these old jerseys, you want to dive into some Western heritage, and there's a rich oil and gas tradition in this province that really took the province to a different place

and has allowed Evanton and Calgary to grow into the cities is what they are. and on the other side you know what you look like a bunch of chimney sweeps from the 1800s in animals what the hell are you doing? I think we have to stop because we're not fashionistas

it's not our job to criticize fashion and you do what you got to do fashion-wise we have enough to bitch you about yeah the jerseys look good we'll leave it at that Dean sorry I had to jump out and by the way the shit you wore off the bus

it was stupid it's just like how how full down the list of things to be upset about if you're a flames fan until you get to the coveralls and nips hang out the other part is the guy who was apparently behind the decision isn't the most popular flame so it just feels like piling on at this point oh wow another reason not to like this guy they come back in this game all eyeballs are on it they know that there's family in from out of town and this whole thing and we talked about it i guess what on friday show that maybe this would serve as a distraction. You've got your wife needs tickets, your kids need tickets, family and all this sort of

thing. Maybe that would be something to get your mind off of it. They lose the hockey game, but is there anything, and we're kind of joking about it, the jerseys and the power play or whatever, but is there anything that you take from that game as a positive or something to build on based on what you saw against St. Louis a couple days earlier? I don't know. I mean, I guess the power play. I guess they had a decent second period. parts of a decent it wasn't like they had played it but it just it was competitive for a bit

but this is the problem is that you're really you're squinting hard here yeah you're squinting hard and it's little bits and pieces that you're trying to compile and compress into something to build off of so if you want my general answer F no yeah I just don't think there's much

to get excited about right now I wonder I continue to wonder how bad is this team oh they're right there because all the fat cats or you think they're not packing it in another game or two if things don't turn around like you're telling me

game 40 is going to be the I'm not my money I guess I better try moment like no it doesn't turn soon and they're not idiots they know you get that far behind 15 games you're after 15 games you're after what are we're going to play

750 from here on out sorry not real So I think they can be real bad if that's what you're looking for. Yeah, and I think that's good. I mean, people are frustrated how bad they are. And it's like, what has killed this franchise more than anything else is not being quite bad enough and not being quite good enough. If they could be really bad for the first time ever and actually have their first ever top three pick, you're going to be better sooner. Like that is, I don't know if that's the ultimate silver lining or if I'm just completely quit on this group actually being good.

It's kind of negative and a positive, but they've never bottomed out. This group looks like it could bottom out. And it's only nine games, but I think you could safely say they have more talent than San Jose. And after that, I can't name another team in the league. San Jose is the only issue with it is how much. San Jose is a loser point in six games or something. But the thing is, like you said, Red, you may have a team that should be worse. But if you're full of young guys, you, which I think San Jose does, they're just kind of, hey,

happy to be playing whatever. If you've got a team of veterans, yeah, the, the give a shit meter could go right to zero fast and that young team with less talent could easily pass you. Which is great again, Dean. If they could pick first overall, you kidding? Well, here's, I mean, here's the thing, though. I mean, you, you've totally pivoted. And something, I don't know if it was last night's game or whatever, but it was. It's the nine games we've watched. Coming into the same, you know, bubble team, fight for a playoff spot. If, you know, Marksham could be better and all. of that.

But you have, and I'm not saying you're wrong, I feel like you're done with this team. Nothing I've seen in nine games leads me to believe they'll be good. Like the goaltending's been better for sure and has been strong, but they can't defend and nobody's playing well. Who's your best skater? Who's been better than expectation? Who's been up to expectation?

Almost nobody. Like the fourth line, maybe? Like, E.J. Greer's been fine. Benj back a little. I mean, it's probably back to where you want them to be, not like a career year or anything. Like, Lindholm doesn't look good. Dubed doesn't look good. Huberto looks as bad or worse than last year.

Giddo Codry. Like on and on we go. Tannav hasn't had a great start. Hanifin's been just okay. Uighur's been just okay. Coronado has one goal and is, you know, learning this league and what I'm guessing probably won't be the funnest environment for the next six months like who who gives you hope that this team could be good go ahead red is lint home

kind of like lindon from snoopy or whatever charlie brown like was godrow his little little blankie that security blanket is that because he really doesn't look like he gives a well dryden hunt isn't the security blank i was going to say yeah i know the who the security blanket isn't. Yes, but again, this is another one of those guys that apparently wants a lot of money because I'm one of the best centers in the league, but only if you give me all the toys to play with. Oh, huh.

That's a tough spot. Like, what the, are you? Are you good? Because you don't look good and you have it for two years. You know what he is, is trade bait. Yes. Well, trade them right effing now because, his return is diminishing.

Yeah, I think I don't worry too much about that in the sense that good teams know what he's good at and you're going to slot him as a number two center, right? Like you're not bringing him into a contender as a top line center. If you're selling a guy at the trade deadline with 25 goals, it's a lot different than selling a guy with five. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I just think people know what he is. It's not like this, what is he mean? What do you think? But even if people know you're not going to get.

you still want top value. Well, whatever, I don't think he is. I think a lot of guys are going, huh, this guy's not. I mean, I think it's a cop-out answer, but I think you're both right. Obviously, you might be able to, there might be another team or you might be able to squeeze a little bit more

if the player with the, if Elias Lindholm is playing really well, say at the trade deadline when you're going to trade them. As opposed to if he's struggling, you might be what, is he hurts, we need your guys to look at him. Is he broken? All of that sort of thing.

If he's at peak performance, no teams are going to have an issue paying for him, where you may have some teams kind of dragging their feet a little bit. But to Ryan's point, I think you would probably look at it and say, not a great atmosphere in Calgary. We saw what their season was like. He's an expiring con. Basically, he's leaving town since November. Let's get him here and get him with our guys and get him back to where he should be.

I think about Boston, they got Zaka and a rookie is their top two centers. You don't think Boston would be like, oh, this is perfect. You know, he's not on fire. We know he's a great player. Bring him in and he'll be our second line center. And he'll, you know, we could talk extension. If it fits, whatever. Like that to me just seems like such a great fit.

Colorado, similarly, they were kicking tires on centers. They did bring in Johansson, but never have enough center depth, apparently. He feels like a perfect ad for a contender, doesn't he? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I don't worry that they won't get a good return because he's a perfect type of ad for a contender. He is, but to Rett's point, if you're playing really well, it's an easier sell and a potential to get more. I guess where we sit here and I am not shocked, I'm not, I guess what it is is I wasn't prepared for this.

Who was? For us to be October 30th and essentially just punting. were done, kind of done with the season. I thought this was going to be a team that would be in the mix for a playoff spot. And like you said, right, if they're going to be that, they're going to have to play something completely unlike what we've seen. They're going to have to be completely 180 from what we have seen. Because of the loss, the one win against Winnipeg,

probably lucky to get it because their goal was awesome in the first period. And Buffalo was not great. certainly their goal tender was not great. Those are their two wins. And I don't know that they've deserved much else. I don't know an extra point somewhere along the way. I don't think so. Maybe one more in Washington.

That's about it. They've pretty much gotten what they deserve. So how do you look at this team? I look this morning 10 games. Sorry, Rhett. 10 games to that U.S. Thanksgiving mark where the math is strong. You're in. All right.

You're out. You got some real work to do. there I'm being cheeky about it, but I'm actually being honest. And there's two scenarios I see of getting, of pulling yourself out of it. And it's the St. Louis thing where you go out and get out. It's a bit of a rodman.

Send everyone to Vegas and let's go on a run and have a party. And I don't know what you have to do there, but really, really give her and nail it because you have to come back with a whole different attitude. Oh, man. and a little bit of a bonding experience, or have a massive brawl.

And they aren't equipped for either, in my opinion. I don't think they like each other enough to go to Vegas and have a runaway and come back feeling good about each other. And I don't think they're tough enough to go have a brawl. So I don't see a way out of it. Don't tell me that a closed-door meeting or that a coach this or remember Gully,

you guys need to have a beer. Uh-uh, not enough. This team is flat. Lindholm looks It will be fun And maybe we could do it tomorrow We should go back on Darrell Sutter's quotes At the start of last year

And re-evaluate them And go, maybe this guy's a genius Because he was hinting that guys Lindholm and he doesn't They don't like playing together Clearly Lindholm's not enjoying going to the rank Like you can just see In people's effort

When you're not having fun That's the kind of output you get Cadre looks like he could give a shit. Hubert O still looks lost, and I don't know whether it's because he's putting pressure on himself, or he really doesn't care and hates where he is, right? Like, Dubay isn't what we hoped he would be. No. And maybe if the team was really good, you'd find some momentum so he could maybe contribute in a way.

Nanjapani kind of tries. We give Backland the pass all the time because he does little things, right? okay that's good okay i can't poke fun at the captain or at backland it's always been that way for some reason people have his back but he never has led or helped this team be really good so that's fine who else is up there the fourth line's nothing the guy you got for a 34 goal score that looks like a four goal score at this point that's not a great first trade for connie at this point. No. The kid looks talented that they got in the third round, but I don't

think he's overwhelming at the time. I don't mind that roll of the dice because but you're right. He's not playing well. Yeah, and I'm not saying it's over and they've lost the deal. It's just you'd like a better start for Sharon Govich safe to say. People had them penciled in on the top line all summer and now he's centering the fourth line. Yeah. And so the list

is long. And when the list gets that long with the salary that they have and the age group of player that they have, and the expectation that was there, right? It's different for San Jose. It's different. Oh, yeah.

When the list is that long and no one is even close to meeting expectation, then there's a big problem. And it's not a one thing or a two thing. It's the whole thing and the whole thing don't F and work. It's just baffling to me that this group just looks as uncohesive and disconnected as they do. Because it's like you can be not super talented, but play with structure and play with pace

and be difficult to play against. Like, how easy is this team to play right now? They give you the puck all night. They're not overly physical. Right? Like, what are you guys going to? Like, who here's going to do anything? What's your identity, fellas?

Like, it looks like a team that needs to sell everyone for assets. Get really bad so you can get really good again in three, four years. And, you know, it is a big turn of events from where I was at the summer because, you know, frankly, that's where a lot of people were. That's where the sports books were. That's where a lot of the models where we all thought, you got to run it back, give it one try. Well, look, I mean, early in the try,

they look like a worst team in the NHL type team. Like, bottom three. And if you're all of a sudden, that's on the table, don't fight it. Help it along and go get your next franchise player. You have no game-breaking talents in your system. You have no franchise players that you've drafted since what? Monaghan.

And he, you know, injuries derailed that. you this is your opportunity to have a player you can build around for a decade. Don't mistake what this is. This is a huge chance for the Calgary Flames to do something they've never done in franchise history. And that's go to the podium in the top three picks. If they're going to play like this, you sell everyone and get every pick and you stockpile and you get cap space and you take bad deals and you take picks with those bad deals. And when that new building opens, you're competitive and you make money hand over fist, Mr. Edwards. How are you not selling that right now?

You can't do much else with if you've watched, if you've watched the games, if you've watched this team, it's hard to debate. I guess the only thing as professionals, and Redd I'll ask you, they've played nine games. When,

if you're going to commit and don't even call it tanking, but if you're just going to commit to, we're bad, we're going to be bad and we're okay with it. It feels early to go, just for the guys to be like, I guess we're done for the year. Now, the players have to try.

It's more than, we're talking with the GM decision, right? Teams that get top three picks have to deal with that. They do. This is what it is. You can't, you can't, you can't think you're going to be competitive for 45 or 50 games and then just lose the last 30. If you're horseshit, you've got to be horseshit and they're horseshit right now. And so it sucks.

It's no fun going to the rink. We can just press repeat on this year. podcast maybe, but like you're going to get a lot of the same. The only change is going to be when they do start to dump guys. And I would caution not to do it too soon because like you said, boom, those young guys will come in and try and that'll screw you up. We've seen it happen before. Yes.

You could count on the veterans to be disinterested and have and clock out. But all of a sudden these kids come in. They're like, this can you believe the kind of food there isn't the plane. Oh my God, Madison Square Garden. This is the best. They play their asses off because they don't know any better and they're so excited. Whereas the veterans, they don't give a shit. They're the ones that are going to sink you down into the depths of the standings. Stick with the handings. I just don't know that there's, I mean, you might work hard, but like there's not a lot of skill that's coming up from the Wranglers. I mean, Dustin Wolf's one thing,

but I would, I think this is, you absolutely approach Jacob Marksham and say, look, this is, your last big contract in this league. You've got two and a half years left. What do you want? I knew you'd come around eventually. Well, they just had to be bad first. Like now they're bad. It's obvious, right?

Okay. So now let's, you can put on your Tinder hat, Brett, and when have you ever seen a goalie get traded in the middle of the season? Goleys don't get traded. It doesn't happen. He's making too much money. He's got a no trade clause. No, no, no. When a player's playing poorly, you don't add that goalie.

We saw multiple goalies move with the deadline last year. It was like Corpuselago to LA, right? We saw Jonathan Quick move twice. As UFAs. As pending UFAs, correct. Yeah. Which Markstrom isn't? No, but he's playing well now.

If you traded Markstrom last year, what's someone given up for an 880 guy, now he's like, look at this. The guy's been their best player. Well, your thing was that you can't trade goalies. You had said there's no goalie deals done in the regular season. There's not a lot for guys that are playing well, yeah. I'm not going to hold your feet to the fire on it.

But this again feels like this is us sitting here shooting the shit. Just because we are seeing it this way, we've seen it this way for a while to certain degrees. It doesn't mean that Murray Edwards has woken up somewhere wherever he is and has been like, yeah, that outdoor game, that's the one that finally has me changing my tune. I'm going to call Conroy and say, yeah, Craig, let's change everything. So you don't think nine games any is a different vibe than he did before the season started? I, what have we talked about for years? I don't know what this guy sees. And because you said we never hear from him.

We don't know what his rationale is, what his mentality is, hopes, dreams for the, we never hear from him. So there's no way of knowing. I just, he's been make the playoffs. All we've ever heard from executives is they come out and we can't even use the word rebuild. It's playoffs or bust. My mandate is make the playoffs. I can't imagine that's changed just because of nine games. It's still about selling tickets.

Well, good luck. He's going to see the paid attendance at the dome. The empty seats are starting to crop up more and more. If anything, I would think he'd be, hey, we've got to start winning some games because people are already stopped coming. If we start losing, then they're really going to stay away. See, I think that that helps when the bottom line's affected by our basketball. the team is, I think he's actually going to buy in more in the rebuild. You can't look at this team play and think they're good enough to make the playoffs and then also

see revenues dip and not say, okay, we had a plan, we have to pivot. Listen, again, I understand. I understand. You don't need to sell me. You need to sell the big guy. Get him a lot. Jack, could you get Murray on, please? I don't know what makes the big guy tick.

Because if he thought any way along these lines, it would have been different for a while. Well, we know what makes him tick. It's money. the bottom line. When people stop showing up and there's 12,000 people for a regular season game, all of a sudden you can sell them on, okay, there might be short-term pain, but we can get good again. It's going to take some time. And I would argue you could flip it and say, if we lose more games, we're going to lose more people. They will this year, for sure. Oh, it's, yeah, no, it's a considerable portion of your tickets to every single game or walk-ups. That's just getting

wiped out right now. Who wants to pay to watch this team? What player are you like, Yes, we get a chance to see them live. Let's stop, though. Well, it's hard to stop, but we don't have to continue to pile on. I think we're all in agreement that we got an idea of what we think we see. We might just have to now ride it out for a while. Right. And we can bitch and moan and evaluate the games.

And there probably won't be that many victories. But to say, don't go is, fuck, you might as well go. I'm not saying don't go. I would not tell. people what to do. What I'm saying is I talk to people in this family as we all do. People are completely disenchanted with this group.

I'm expecting people to stop going. I'm not telling them to. People do whatever you want. All right. Yeah. Let's pivot somewhat and put our instead of GM owner hat on, coach hat, because this coach has to be losing

his frickin marbles. I guessing he hasn't slept a lot the last couple weeks. I said to Peter last night an after this guy had one game to enjoy being a coach in the n hl first he had one game beat winnipeg by the skin of their teeth but they beat winnipeg and since then one six and one and so so okay and i'm actually being realistic here so what's an approach he can take i think i heard he give him a bagger a bit the other day what rink was that at by the way i don't i you know what i didn't i knew they were going to skate i didn't see where they were they had the off day tuesday after the rangers

game. So it was after the same Wednesday. So that's Friday. Doesn't matter. I just saw a picture and I couldn't recognize the ring. Like tool is at the dog. Do you sit them? I said this. What, what, what changes? What truly can you do? Do you sit guys and bring a couple in? Do you say the Klapka or Zeri, hey, come get a sniff. And somebody sits. Do you, they've done everything with the lines. I don't know what more you can do with the line. Can you sit, Hubert, and Codry. Of course you can. Yeah, I don't see any harm. What are they going to do? Not play well? Like, it can't get worse. That's my thought. It's a bit of an embarrassment thing, and it's drastic measures. But where are we at? Have you, like, I don't know. And maybe again,

it's too easy from our chairs to critique, but has anyone zoned or like really watched Codry? Is he, he horseshit? Like, we don't like that Hubido's not putting up points, but have you really analyzed his game? What are the advanced stats saying? Right. Is there things defined?

Like combined minus 20. There's just no, yeah. That's fine. I'm not saying there is. I don't want to be unfair in this and go, well, actually, Codry's this or that because people have argued with me about things where I'm like,

that guy's terrible. Yeah, but it's advanced stats. Okay, well, maybe I'm wrong. I was looking today. It's not good. Okay. So then maybe there is a, there is a path for Huska to go.

Don't come to the rink today. Don't need you around. Yeah, like it's. And are they bad? And again, then you still have to, you only do that. Like Luch got sat. Was it last year in Montreal?

I think it went off the deep end and lost his marbles. And then they played him again. Yeah. But I guess what I'm trying to get at is, Are they bad in the room? We don't, do we know that, right? Is it a distraction? Are they dragging people down?

Are they positives? Are they leaders that are still in the room and making, is Coronado getting a positive feedback from the experience from them? I would guess that judging by our conversations all summer where we ran through about six candidates for captaincy and never did anyone even mention Cadre Ubedo that they're not those guys? And I'm just, I'm just trying to be. And I think you're right to be like very cautious about it.

But we kind of know they're not those guys. Or when you pay them a combined 17.5 million, you'd throw some letters on them. Because if all those boxes are checked and they're not meeting expectations in any way, then you fucking sit them. I don't think that Codry is quite there. I didn't mind him yesterday. And I liked him.

for a bit against the Rangers, but again, it's grossest of turnovers to the goal that breaks the back, the shorty early. It's comparing him to his teammates who are not playing, they're playing so poorly right now. So of that group, I don't necessarily have him at the head of my list. Now, he's minus 11, I believe already in nine games. So there's something, there's something there's something there. The Hubert O thing, and I'm, I can sense where you're going, right? You can't continue to just hammer away. I brought it up again last night, and I just have to put,

was moratorium, I just have to stop talking about it. But there, I don't see any part of his game that shows you that he ever was a star in the league. Not speed, not skill, not hands,

not a shot, not playmaking ability. There's nothing, no flashes that would say, there's the Hubertel of old. That's the guy who had 115, 118 points. Not a sniff.

Can you, who's GM in, uh, Florida? Bill Zito. Bill Zito. Is this one of those things where he's, when, when, uh, Trilving came with his shiny toy, he was like, I need a good return for this. He's like, I got one for you. Well, I mean, he also got a top pair defensive from Florida and a first rounder. I think both sides knew the hubro wasn't the equivalent, right?

I think my point is that they weren't missing him. That's my thought. You could pretend all you want that he was a great 115 point player. But again, the team that watches the guy the most, they know him the best. To whatever, yeah, to whatever degree, they were prepared to part with him. Absolutely.

Whether it was the price tag or back-to-back soft playoff performances there, there was a lot of points. It was funny. We sat down to watch some highlight reels this morning. We got Bobby Germany and RJ in today. we were watching his top 10 plays as a panther and it's like he's moving the hands are electric it's guys on the back door for tap-ins like it is circus shit here you could do the same but they're all turnovers like it's just i don't know how it happens this quick but yeah like you guys suggested

throwing them back to florida last week and i'm like no way they have no interest in this cat they were ready like to wash their hands of the guys you're playing with too again like i've given them everyone but yeah we're i know but it doesn't just because you give them everyone doesn't mean that there's a fifth some of those some of the guys that we have on this team we say it all the time in the summer oh we got young guys coming along and we got these kids are really good good compared to who good in our in our depth chart or in the league depth chart because the league depth chart's the only one that matters so for us the guy oh this guy's gonna be this guy fuck that you have to be good in the league not in the flames organizational depth chart.

It doesn't mean shit. And what I'm getting at with Hubertoe, and I'm rarely on his side, is that go through the list of guys that he's playing with. Are they creative? Are they actually that skilled? Can they read off it? Is it all on him or are some of these guys horseshit?

I think both for sure. And I think it's also one of those things we also talk about where it's like you're a star, you make 10 and a half, you make the people around you better. But I also agreed last year, was like, hey, who were his teammates in Florida? What tools did they have? Can you replicate that here?

Duclair played his off wing. Bennett was his center. Those aren't necessarily the most creative high-a-Q guys, right? How many points he compared to five-on-five, too, right? Oh, it would be a lot, but he wasn't bad. 70 points on the power play. Well, he's not playing with Duclair and Bennett on the power play problem. I don't know.

I'm trying to fight the other side. No, I see both, right? Like, it's like you want to be sympathetic for the guy, but at the end of the day, it's like, God, just be better. You've been so bad here. Even when Joe, we're in more torrent. But again, what you just said, what's he going to do better? I don't know.

He's not fast. No. He's not fast. And it's just decision-making stuff too, which tells me he's right back in his own head, which is what they chalked up last year to. He was in his own head. He was the environment. It was all the pressure.

It was a new market. Turnover, turn over, turn over, turn over, turn over, right since game one in Calvert. And offside. Going offside. when he went offside on the empty net? Yeah. What's happening? I was just thinking you think of star players who go into slumps.

Johnny Goddrow, we would see. There would be times where the points wouldn't be there. But you would still see that part of his game where he's creating or doing something. And maybe it's his linemates that let him down or whatever the case is. And if he's going to play on the left side, he's going to have to have somebody at center and you're limited. It's Lindholm. does not seem to be a fit, and it's cadre, and they've been trying that, and beyond that. Didn't work last year.

It hasn't worked this year. So. Then I'm with Backland a bit. I'm like, that's a defensive center with a guy that doesn't want to play D. I don't like that fit. It's part of the overall issue is that there's not enough skill. They can't, there's not enough scoring. There's not enough skill on this team.

The way that they would be successful in any way, shape, or form is to go full defense first. and the problem there is their defense isn't playing well enough. Tana is taking a step back. Defense is a team game. You have to have the guys in the lineup committed to playing that. I think you could convince most of those guys. But again, a lot of your high-end guys are going to be like, you know, like, you want to Hubertoe, come back, check hard.

He never has this whole career. But I think this D-Corp could play great defense. I'm baffled at how disconnected and bad they're playing. It's not much different than the group that was the fewest goals allowed two years ago in the league and even strength. Like it's wild. We're going back a ways. Yeah, it's a ways. Yeah, but it's the same too.

It's like skate anymore, right? Like that's a different player. Yeah, that's fair. Schillington not here was two years ago. And two years ago was lights out. Like let's not forget like that guy was dominating. Yeah. Like a top, playing top two style of hockey.

I know I was different two years ago. It's a hard two years. You should be better rested in theory. You're not getting up a 3 a.m. anymore as much at least. Bullshit. It was 2.30 today. Hey, you know what, though, regardless, wins, losses, win or lose? Bose, am I right?

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That'll be fun. How can it be? Phoenix in January or Calgary in January? Heck one. Why not? Why not? I want to do a little this day in history for McLeod Law. Now, it's not really Flames history, but there's some flames tie-ins. and it's actually two October 30th, one in 1982, sorry, one in 1983, which was just one year later. I don't know if you know that.

Some bluer math. So just hang on on the first one. So October 30th, 1982, Brian Sutter scored his fifth career hat trick and added an assist as the Blues less 6-5 to the Washington capital. One year later, October 30th, 1983, first time in NHL history. history that four brothers would play in the same game. Here is the great Doc Emmerich with the details. Brothers in late October at Philadelphia. Three brothers named Sutter converged on one loose puck.

And just seconds later, we're joined by still another. To bring the NHL as well as Mr. and Mrs. Sutter, another first. The New York Islanders with Brent and Dwayne beat the Philadelphia Flyers with Rich and Ron. by a score of six to two, Brent led the way with a pair of goals and an assist. Four. We think it's not so what the Hughes brothers are doing. They're only three back.

I need three more kids. Get to work. Is it too late? I'm not sure what the mom and pop. Yeah. Too late to pump out some more, folks. What do you? So there you go.

October 30th, 1983. Now that's got to still be a record, right? Are you kidding me? Because how many, there was Jordan, Mark Stahl, and then another, there was only three stalls. There's Jared, but he never got up. Never mind in the same game.

I just wondered, was there one game where they gimmicky did something? Three Stahl brothers in a game for sure. Yeah. That ain't four. I'm going to say it's a record to this day. Yeah. Three Hugheses will happen today. Jersey Canucks games in theory.

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Without knowing what's in the Pinder Report. I think we have time for the Pinda report because Frank was in Edmonton for the game and then flew out and then somehow his flights kind of flight times got changed on him So it's a little longer To Philly flight, weird

Yeah Although I think he does the He's not probably working that drives Something like that PJ? I don't know if he took the Nation Network PJ See I thought he'd be smart enough To book of flight for Tuesday

What's he hustling back to? You got studios in Edmonton you're a nursing a hangover. Come on now. He was probably getting ready for the Phillies game three of the world series. Bad news on that front. Not ideal. Pitta report for Village Honda. New in-stock inventory on the ground.

Start your automotive adventures at Village Honda. New vehicle pricing, as always, is MSRP located in the Northwest Automall. You see it there in the screen. Your dealership for life. Village Honda with the Pinder Report. All right, fellas, we start with the flames coming out for the hands. Heritage Classic. Look at these great jerseys. Ah, the fellas looked great. That ends the highlight portion of the game. Now on to some other things. Before they put on those

nice jerseys, were they doing a lip sync? Was it a cover band? Because I'm pretty sure it looked like Daxie's Midnight Runners. Is this not exactly what they were dressed as? Keep that up there. That's, yeah. I'm a big fan of that song. Yeah, I'll give you a version you're not a big fan of. Not only did they look like Dexie's Midnight Runners. They sounded like this version of Dexie's Midnight Runners. Oh, one hit one are you saying?

So did they only have one hit because you couldn't sing anymore? Or is this sketched in the bag? What happened here? It looked and played like Dixie's Midnight Nighter Manor Manors, trends. That's rough, you know? That's a bad, bad look. Hey, it's like a carpenter. All of a sudden his hammer doesn't work anymore.

Saw is too dull. Can't get anything done? That poor guy. And so while this fan base is, I guess, just trudging through misery, Nick Alberga threw this tweet out yesterday. Who regrets their decision more? Nazim Kadri or Johnny Goddrell. So before we answer, let's just lay out the ground rules.

They make their decisions at the time they sign. At that point, no one had more money on the table for Nazam Khadry than the Cadbury Flames. And Johnny Goddrow left to win games in Columbus per his press conference, leaving over $10 million on the table, we'd suggest with what was rumored to be offered by the Calgary Flames. Who regrets their decision more? Fellas, the floor's yours. 10 million is a lot of money.

It's hard to say without knowing what other options there were for Cadry. Well, there was more earlier in the offseason, but not when he signed here. Because I had heard Codry had a big offer from Columbus. Who would have had to draw. He was kind of their target. Let's take this dough. We're going to go after Codry. He said no.

And then all of a sudden the bat phone started rigging. And it was frigging Gidro. And so the decision that Nick's talking about is to sign in Calgary, not the decision to not sign in Columbus earlier in the offseason. No, I'm later, yeah. But that's what I'm saying is that if, if Cadre did not sign in Calgary, what were his other options? And for Johnny, it was- Because Goddrow gets more money if he stays here. The team's probably still better.

You might have kept Kachuk. Chuck probably stays and your name's going in the rafters. Yeah, and for now as I'm Cadry, it's like, you secured the bag. Yeah. And it's not like this guy being unpopular, playing in a Canadian market, like that's new or that's hard for him. but Toronto and was like public enemy number one for a couple of playoffs series there where they flamed out in the first round.

Either way, Johnny is making good money and living in Columbus and watching this team, I don't regret at this point leaving, regardless of what the blue jackets are doing. You can't be looking at this and be and I, wish I was there to help.

Can you? I mean, their problems are all here because he left. If you, if you, if he resigns and somehow you keep Kachuk, you're not bringing Ubertoe-Codry. Well, even the Monaghan thing is different. Right. Yeah. So you can't untie the whole knob, but it was, it was a good tweet from Al Berger.

Tell El Berger to beat it. Yeah. Go talk about the Leafs, you hump. Yeah. Good luck with that Nealander contract, El Berger. Let's go. Reagan, El Berger. Dick Nick.

Hey, I got some great news from the flames. Remember that smashing Tyler Tofoli deal? Here is SUNY of the. kid they drafted in the third round playing for UMass. Nice little snipe here, fellas. So it's overlying. Stays in, takes a shot and score. So snipe.

All right. He and Sharon Grove, but you have one now? Shot for a distance there. That's a good thing to have, I guess. Big pants. He does have big pants. Big pants. Yeah, full tuck.

I love the full tuck at the back. Here's a crazy goal from, I think this is, it's not college, but it's kind of college. What do you call it when it's not Division I, but they still have a program? Other. Other.

This is other college hockey. Utah. He absorbs a check, gross, a toe drag, around the defense in front of Butler. Oh my goodness, Chris!

What a goal! Exchange with Butler and Gross. Oh, boy, maybe something to watch. That's it out of the air. Over the net. Maybe the best. Goodness gracious.

Wasn't it a high stick from the first guy? Below his shoulders. Impressive stuff. Really good. No, is this Jacob Lauu? Loku, how do you say it? Do you know? The NHL player.

How much are you talking about yet? Well, let's check out his eye because it's not great. Check ice hockey center. Close call there. Yikes. Boston Bruin. third rounder of 2018, 23 years old. And that hockey player's still tough,

Rhett, look at those stitches. It's a skate cut or do we know what it was? Not the best is what it was. Okay. Yeah. NFL, bad news for the Minnesota Vikings who had been appearing to turn their season around. Big save, Kurt. Done.

Kurt? Kirk, Kurt, Kurt, Kurt, Kurt, Kurt, Kurt, Kurt. Yeah, you saw him. hobbling, like one leg hopping off of the field. Ow, out, ow, out. That's, maybe it's a cramp. Maybe his calf's tightened up. I know the feeling.

Not per Adam Schaefter. Also, Kendra born, who's actually been a pleasant surprise in New England since arriving there. He done. ACL. It's a hard, it's a hard sport to play. It's just so incredible how many people's bodies get ruined. and at the clip that they do. It's just a war of attrition

to get through 17 weeks. It's almost amazing that some guys can do it or go a number of years without missing games. Yeah. Jeez. Major League Baseball, Dean, cover your eyes. We have a schedule for Major League Baseball

regarding the World Series. The series is tied 1-1. Game 3 goes tonight at 603 Mountain Time. I can't wait for game three on Tuesday. and then game three on Wednesday. It actually says game four right below Tuesday

and it says game five. You can continue to do this every day and like just be sickening about it. Or you can say, yeah, I don't know why they put series tied at one on Tuesday and Wednesdays sked. Games one and two are in Dallas area. These are now in Phoenix. For the debacks, got a split.

It's a two-three-two because that's what they do in Best of Sevens and Major League Baseball. I could get you a number from someone of Major League. baseball if you want to clear this up of them i'm just taking screenshots from their app that's all see yeah weird what happened there did uh somebody kick a chord or uh ghosts it's so well it could be could be ghosts spooky sorry about that uh buddies not sure what happened there that's the first time we've ever uh we've ever had that couldn't be our fault though that's the good thing about it

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All you have to do is fill out a quick survey to enter. For your chance to win, go to tellus.com slash Flames contest. Frank Sarah Valley joins us. He was at a Flames game. Just hours ago. That's quick travel. It was not fun.

I don't care how many times you've done the red eye in your life. And it's been a lot. You still feel like an absolute bag of ass the next day. A bag, oh, ass. Yeah. So are you, can you sleep on the plane? No. And this one was 3,000 degrees.

and I said something to the guy like, hey, can you turn it down? He turned the temperature down. He said, yeah, yeah, I got you. I swear to God, he turned it up. Yeah. Oh, dude, I, I'm, so I went to the game, you know, outside yesterday, and I was, I was layered up.

Dude, I'm like stripping on the plane. I was about to go tarp off. That's how hot it was. Like, I am just bullets. and it's 3.30, 4 o'clock in the morning Eastern time. Hands to yourself, ladies. Hands off the merchandise. I'm a taken man.

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. So where did you watch the game from? What was your vantage point? So I brought my whole family out to Edmonton, and I know what you're thinking. Questionable life choice. Why would anyone ever do that? we actually had a great weekend

and so I sat it was just me and my son at the game he's nine we sat in the second row of the top level sure good vantage point a little kind of in one of the corners

but it was high enough where you could see most of the ice and so that was good and yeah some interesting creatures behind me so I gotta tell you this story you guys will enjoy it And where's Pinder, by the way?

He is doing some, he's diligently working at a, at another project. He'll be, uh, joining us maybe later. Um, he, so anyway, so I'm, I'm sitting there and I say to the guy behind me. I said, hey, you mind taking a picture of me and my son? And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, I know, I know you. And he goes, hey, it's great that you brought your grandson to the game. Oh. I was like,

I like stop for a second I go, yeah, actually it's my son. And then he's like, oh man, that's great. Yeah, he's like, you're still getting it at this age. That's awesome. Oh my gosh. Dude, come on. Like, I just like, I literally wanted to die in a hole.

Oh. Well, I don't know what to say, Frank. I don't think that, uh, I, I don't, think you look like a grandfather. It's just obviously, you know what? That's bullshit. You deserve better.

Smart ass Edmontonian punk. Yeah. Don't worry. That was a wake-up call, though. That was like, oh, my God. Hit a treadmill, son. Yeah. Anyway.

So did the boy have a good time? Was he able to appreciate it? Was it too cold? He did. No, he was actually, I don't know if it's the lunkhead in him, the Saravali in him, whatever it is. He was like. like, yeah, I don't need any gloves. I'm good.

And he waited all the way until there was like seven minutes left in the game. And he's like, yeah, you know, I could use a pair of gloves right now. All right. Here you go, buddy. Yeah. Proud of you, but just don't be a jackass. We'll go with one cat. What's that?

How was the crowd? It was really good. There's not much by way of like a tailgating scene there. No. Just because of where the stadium is located, kind of in the middle of nowhere. Um, it's almost like right in a neighborhood. And that part was kind of lacking, but like they were festive, active, uh, well lubricated. The weather was great.

Like honestly, you couldn't ask for better outdoor rink weather. Like it was perfection. And Saturday, the day before was frigid. I was out at that fan fest for a couple hours. It was the wind was whipping pretty good. And I was like, I hope it's not like this on Sunday. We were talking about it during the game yesterday. It's interesting because when the game was here in Calgary,

they had the junior hockey team played and they did a whole bunch of different things. So different groups got to use the ice. I guess this is just one and done. I thought there'd be some other group that would be able to use it. They got the Golden Bears. They got any kind of, they got junior team. Oil games. Yeah, I mean, they could do anything they want.

Yeah, I don't know of any other events there. Well, success. You know, the league does these things well. Right? It's, people take runs at the NHL for different sorts of things. They've pretty much got this figured out, these live events.

Honestly, I thought Nickelback fit in well. Like, they had some parties surrounding the weekend. The Arkells were in town. Um, they had, I thought they dressed up the field pretty nice. Like that stadium's like 50 some years old.

Oh, yeah, we know. Yeah, it's gross. And so, um, it certainly,

they put some lipstick on. that and it looked pretty good all things considered and um the fan fest was actually great for i love that it's free and open like you got kids all ages people that are into hockey casual fans not at all and um that part was good too yeah and so let's start critiquing thoughts on i knew you were horny for this well let's i mean let's get to the important things thoughts on the outfits that the teams wore to the game? I would say the, I'll give a thumbs up to the oilers and thumbs down to the flames. Okay.

Yeah. This felt like, you know, if you're going to do the whole overall cowboy thing, like, going no tarp under it, it was just a little odd. Like, if this was not a calendar shoot, this was like going into the Heritage Classic. We didn't really get it either. I'd like some explanation. The only thing. thing I could think of, and this is

perhaps a too candid view into my screwed up brain was of the Kelsey brothers talking on their podcast about how nipples are nature's thermometers as those guys are stepping off the bus. Yeah, I'm not sure.

It was an interesting take that that would be something that people in Calgary would be able to relate to. Oh, look, I have my I have my coveralls on or my overalls on and now they're wearing them. But that's the thing. Like,

like the, at least the oilers were like authentic work stuff, right? And the funny thing is, neither one of these teams had worked really at any point or competed at any point in the season prior to Sunday. Yeah. What about the game? I'll keep going to, yeah.

Slay a few demons, maybe, and get things going. are we impressed with their team and what Pinder is not here right now he might pop in he is 100% thrown in the towel on the flames okay I think it's

slightly early I mean at a very similar juncture to this last year the flames were five and one so we know how fortunes can change I'm not here to pump anyone's tires

I will say that the way that game started, there was a real chance that could have gotten out of hand. And the one thing I did like was some pushback. They were in the mix and frankly should have, with all the power play opportunities, should have been in a much better spot. I'll tell you what, though. And it's, I want to be real careful how I phrase this

because I was sitting in the second level, and you know how dangerous it is to make any sort of assumption about what you're seeing in an outdoor game. But I don't think the oilers are a very fast team. They've got the best skater on the planet and Connor McDavid. But when he's not on the ice, I think one of the big things they struggle with is team speed. And it was really jarring to me and not just in a, hey, you're watching it from a few hundred feet away. Even just compared to the oilers, the flame they look like a really slow team. And that's what really stood out to me.

I've thought that for years and everyone's always said, now, I'm like, fast. Who? No. No, Darrell would say, you don't need to, you can play fast. You don't have to be fast.

It just your, your defense have to be quicker on decisions and moving to puck. When you're three strides behind guys getting to pucks, like that's just. So in other words, they're slow. They look slow to me, and I need more in-person viewing. No, you don't. Just trust me. Okay.

You can trust my take. I know you always do. We're taking some leaps today, buddy. Yeah. I know you always trust whenever I mentioned something, but I would confer with your hypothesis that they are slow and have been slow. And we'll continue to be slow. Well, and it's, I think.

think when they were five and one, it's easier to go into a bit of a tailspin than to be two, six and one, and having lost five in a row and in desperate need of wins. It's Dallas coming up and then they've got the crack in on the weekend. Dallas is off to a strong start. The problem right now is, and I'm sure a lot of teams go through it, it's hard to watch the flames and see where, like that's how they're going to start winning games. Their Goaltender is already giving them pretty good play. But there's nothing right now that would give you even an inkling to think they're close to breaking out and going on a bit of a run. There's really nothing right now.

Yeah, and I get where you're at. And I get why the marketplace would be feeling that today. I mean, look, I can't, I'm not going to sit here and blow sunshine up anyone's ass. that's not my job that's not what i do but the fact of the matter is the guys that are being paid at the top of the pay scale and the stars of this team or the guys that are supposed to be stars need to give you more and that's really where this team is going to break out of that there there's no chemistry there's no cohesion there's no it doesn't look like the flames are in sync even just, you know, simple things, like how they're entering the zone.

Like they're just, they don't even look like they're anywhere remotely on the same page. Am I crazy, Rhett, and saying that? You're bang on. And that's, I said there's two ways out of this. And I don't think they have the personnel to do either. One of them was to get into a massive brawl and have to fight for each other. I don't think they can or will. The other one was to pull a Rodman and everyone go to Vegas for a few a week and get it

out of your, and find a way to bond and party and do something crazy because there's no. Why is that called the Rodman? Why don't we call that the retro? Oh, because if I did it, it wouldn't be as good as if Rodman did it. That's why. If you're going to do it, do it like Rodman would. I can do it as good as I can, but I can't do it as good as Rodman did. Anyway, I just, I don't see.

Why didn't anyone fight? There were a million opportunities yesterday to do it. I kept saying to my son, I kept nudging him. Hey, someone's going to go. Yeah. I don't know why no one fought, but they don't see, like, I think there's the odd guy that would and Gilbert and. It's Gilbert and Greer.

Beyond that, I really don't know who's even some way, so I'm interested in doing it. And Gilbert's happy to do it, I think, but he better be smart about it because he keeps getting clunked in the head and gets, that might be, but they don't have the personnel to play a hard stuff. all of hockey. They're not,

but that's not what it's about. It's not. You're arguing with the guy that said. This is, this is a mentality. It's not a, you know, you've got a bruiser in your lineup to go do it.

It's someone transcending that. To make a statement, as you're saying, to drag someone into the fight. And there, no one is doing that. And I thought even just for the hell of it, two desperate teams,

a packed 60,000 seat stadium, perfect ODR, whether the entire country watching. And no one, no one feels the need to do that. I've critiqued this team. I've been critiqued for being hard on this scene saying they have no heart and hustle and backbone.

And it's they don't. They just don't. And when you don't care about each other, you don't do it. There's been no bigger headline in the month of October to start the season than what Nikita Zadaroff said. Barron. Hey, Pender's here.

Hello, sir. How are you doing? I am living. Yeah. So a couple things there. Pinder's here to lighten the mood, I think. Is that what you're going to do here? I need some Pinder style stimulants today after that, man, yeah, you're in rough shape.

You should have been, just stayed at home and watched our, live stream party instead. We were just hammering mineral waters and definitely not. You guys should have seen me flagging down the bartender in the airport this morning at like 634 after getting off that flight. Need one now, now. Yeah.

Go ahead there. Yeah, two things. So everyone loved what Zedorov had to say after the game on Thursday. He completely did not hold back. And that was after Tuesday where he called out his teammates in that one. and then I thought he was their worst player yesterday, which is saying something, because there weren't many good ones.

So just a thought on that. And then secondly, you were buying the Huberto bounce back. I think your bold proclamation was 90 points. How are you feeling on that right now? Because please sell us some hope. We don't have any. Yeah, I mean, not feeling great on the 90 points to be candid.

Look, I mean, I thought for sure the way he spoke and vibes around the team that this would be a totally different feel heading into this season. I did, you know, take a look, though, and not to say that it all, or that it's deserved or not deserved, when I give you this stat. But I was curious about this today after, you know, flying back. Jonathan Hubertow's even strength ice time,

141st in the league among forwards. He hasn't earned it. When you hear that, do you say, didn't, hasn't earned it? Or do you say, this is the guy that can't, can't produce without getting more time? Every line he's on gets caved in. He turns over the puck like crazy. And he's played 88 or 89 games in Calgary. And I cannot remember a single one where he seemed to take over or be like, wow, that was vintage Huberto. And the sample size is almost 100, Frank.

And I get that he didn't agree with the coach last year on some stuff. And it might not have been a fit. But I'm just sick and tired of all these excuses about, left side, right side, line mates, coach this. You know, like, it's just he doesn't look like a very talented player. He doesn't look like a shell, like anything close to a guy that can even get a point per game. I don't know how this goes better. So where, like, but like, so let me just play devil's advocate to you for a second.

And I'm not advocating or shilling for him. But my question, you said the one thing that was so jarring about what you said is he doesn't look like a very talented player. Like, where did it go? That's what we're trying to figure out. He's a guy that 115 points two years ago and you're like one of the best playmakers in the league and all of a sudden it's not there. What doesn't you don't just wake up one day and forget how to play hockey? A couple of things.

I'm again not a huge Huberto advocate. I haven't liked it from the start. But in the situation you're in, he hasn't earned the ice time. But I said to these guys before he came on, Frank, I said, what do you do with? them you put them into rafters, but maybe the other approach is you go every other shift. I don't get me. I mean, what's the downside? Play them 25 minutes a night.

Until the wheels fall off. I mean, then at least you've crossed one more thing off your list for him to say, hey, this isn't, this is why this can't work. A hundred percent. So, and then the other thing I said about it is, and we, maybe, we're grasping at straws here. We'll take any type of hope. Maybe it's like you said, they're slow. And his game needs guys with some speed.

Now, you might be Sarangovic and Dubay. Like they've tried all these. The best is not fast though. Like we keep thinking Dubay's fast. And I just, I don't know that he's like, I don't, I think he's average speed around the league. I just do. And I could be wrong. The first thing you, I, you said dube fast.

I was like, I think pretty average speed. And then you said it. So Sharon Golvich then. I mean, he's got wheels. Yeah. I mean, I said in camp, he's the perfect player to play with Eubertoe. He is definitely not a brainiac by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to hockey IQ. Just get the puck and shoot.

That's all you have to do. Get there and shoot. Fly. Get open. And for all of this, give them the fastest guys then. I mean, we're trying to come up with a game plan that might turn things around. It's a squint, but there's no downside to try and everything now. Yeah, it's hard.

And I don't know if it's because of yesterday's game. The game Thursday, Frank, against St. Louis was, to me, as bad as they've looked all year. They have not looked good much this year. They were, completing passes in the second period was a real challenge and a chore. It's something that they failed at. And it was in that period that I think Hubert O had four or five shifts sat for a good chunk of it. And I wonder if that impacts because we're so early in the season, the shift. But you don't see, I don't want to keep repeating myself.

And Ryan kind of said it. You don't even see kind of the flashes or there's an example of the skill that this player has, which allowed him or saw him to be over a point per game or a hundred. But it's got to be there somewhere, right? That's the part that I'm struggling with. We haven't seen it, but it didn't, it didn't just get lopped off on the flight from Florida to Calgary. Yeah. Am I crazy? Yeah, that's the great mystery, Frank, is where did it go?

And how do you get it back? Is it between the years? Is he out of shape? Is he mentally not, like, has he kicked his feet up since signing that deal? Is there stress of the environment too much? Like, coach didn't change much. Is it fair to say that in Florida there was, you had Barkov, did he have to be the guy? You had anonymity no matter what because no one was. talking about your team or your situation. Like,

there was no one being hard on you in Florida ever. Like, there was seven people that knew. Yeah, but here's the thing. This is, so you get traded to Calgary, right?

He could have easily just turned around and said, yeah, this isn't for me. I'll play one year here to finish out my deal. Come on. I'll become a UFA and I'll go play wherever. No. Look at the contract he got.

Well, I'm saying once they did that, of course. I mean, how many people are saying, but what my point is, you could have just said to the team, like, this place isn't for me. Like, I'm not, I'm not, this is not where I want to hang my hat. I don't think that's it at all. I don't think he's one of those guys that quakes under pressure. I think if I were to wager on what I think the largest problem is, it's, it's chemistry. It's trying to find someone that fits his style. And I think we all thought it'd be plug and play, you know, swapping out playmaker for playmaker,

Godro and Huberto. And I just, you can say that and that's fine. But it comes back to me again where if you're 10 and a half and we have to cater to finding you the right guys, then you aren't 10.5. Right. He's definitely not 10.5. Well, we've seen here. Yeah. There's no question that he's not played up to that level.

There's so many things. And it's. But can we go back to Zadaroff, though? Because we started on that and then Pinder joined the chat and Pinder were. Yeah. Pinder. Pinder. Pinder.

Yeah. Yes, I do. So that, like, why were there other guys coming out the, Blake Coleman, the next day, sort of trying to tamp it down. Oh, you know, sometimes you just get a little emotional and say things you don't mean. Like, it was as clear-eyed and assess. after a morning skate, he knew exactly what he was doing and what he was saying. He was sending a message. And, you know, Pinder, you can make the point about his play over the last couple games

since saying that. And that's fine. But the fact that someone said it and the fact that it was October 25th to me is what jumps off the page. And I think that's why the other teammates are trying to tamp it down. It's like, buddy, don't overreact here. like we don't need another grenade, but he's right. But he's saying it publicly, we're only seeing

3% of what it actually is. It's probably a lot bigger than that. For sure. And he's saying it to sound the alarm. Now this is where the next part of the equation needs to come in in terms of action. Because you've heard little cracks at it before and you've seen people sort of pull the thread here. how soon until you see some kind of transaction

where you begin to try and fix what's ailing the team. And I don't know what the, I'm not there. I'm not behind those closed doors. I don't know what the issue is. But clearly, there's something about this group that doesn't mix. Well, he didn't really veil who he was pointed at either when he talks about, you know, star players not liking certain coaches. I think it's the guy.

everyone's talking about that seemed to be the direction of his comments and like what do you do you go trade for new claire out of san Jose what's how do you fix it i don't know let me ask you that do you who if if you say that coleman was trying to tamp it down and zadorov was highly critical who are you closer to believing i'll start with you 100 oh 100% it's not even a question zatterov because that's that's where i fall in i and then you go back to less than a year ago when Nazim Codry was on, frankly speaking, and was asked, the flames make the playoffs if we start playing like a team. So it's, we.

And then he went on to be their worst player the rest of the season. It was very similar, actually. But, I mean, regardless of performance. And we, you and I have gone back and forth on this since last night. Performance be damned. This is multiple guys who are saying, shit ain't working. Yeah.

So you can focus on how they play in the next game, or you can focus on the bigger thing that, yeah, this and we've talked about it for years. Last year we used the word dysfunctional over and over and over and it's worse now. And they've fired a coach and moved out of GM and done all of this and it's the same thing. And we go back even beyond that.

When it was the Kachuk against Muzin and no one backed him up and it was, oh, the room's great, the room's great. Roommate great. I don't think anyone's going to fight you on the mix, not being right. I was talking to a Hall of Famer this weekend. all the legends in town in Edmonton. And he goes, you know,

one of the things that really pisses me off about listening to players talking the media today is say we have a close team. He goes, what does that even mean? What does that mean close team? If you don't play like it, it doesn't matter whether you can go out and pound 100 beers or not.

If you're not going to stick up for each other, yeah. Doesn't matter. And we haven't seen that yet. Were you going to say something there? Me? I was going to say I fucking told you so, but I don't need to. Okay. That's pretty good. He's been saying that for a year. We've got that message clear. So it's, you know what? I'll say it on his behalf.

Darryl Sutter told you so too. And we all said you're an idiot and an asshole. Oh, he said he was an idiot. He made some questionable decisions. I don't think his treatment of the stars. He made those special decisions because he saw something that the rest of us or some of us were maybe missing. I've been around the game for 100 years. I'm talking less about the vets. I'm talking more about the true many young players and how that hurt the club. Sure, absolutely.

Both of those things can be true at the same time. And to be fair, Rhett was critical of Darrell last year in some of those things, but I don't think he was wrong on Huberto. And you'd hoped that a fresh air, fresh coach would change. But, you know, you can't risk

remove an $84 million player. You can remove a $4 million coach. I understand why the players won that tug-a-war. It was their only chance to try to say, okay, if Huberto says this is a problem, we can't just cut them loose. We can't cut the coaches. It's a tough spot to be in. And I still, it's, it's, it's not even a criticism.

But you've got to think that Trillivings saw the writing on the wall with this group. I don't think so. I think if things had gone a different way, he'd still be. Well, of course, if things go a different way, but they didn't go away. And as soon as he saw that, he's like, hmm, how are we pulling out of this? Also part of the dysfunction. He built a small one. That was incredibly dysfunctional.

Yeah. Like all the bets that you're living made, like maybe they were a four out of ten to succeed and this was a four to ten and that was a three out of ten. None of them hit. And all those deals set you up for two to three years of contention. And you knew after that was going to be gross, but we can deal with that as long as, you know,

we get some good deep playoff runs. So, so, okay, hold on a second. I've said this really consistently since, I started, you know, with you guys. Let's take a step back. This whole thing, we need, we have to think macro here, 30,000 foot view. You know, it's not going back to what you were just talking about with Zaderov.

It's not about him saying it and then having two games where he doesn't play well. There's an overall, you know, we're talking about symptoms and not the disease here. And if you want to talk about how the team was set up and the roster construction, you got to take a bigger step back and look at really who's controlling, who's the person at the controls. And that's, that's ownership. That's where the directive comes from because I think there's been a number of different

people there that probably at one point or another would have liked to have said, hey, the best course for the flames right now is to, is to tear it down, is to try and rebuild, try and get a top three pick for the first time, try and be in that mix to reboot. That's the best course of action.

But when you're being held to a different standard and you have a different mandate, you can only do what you can within those parameters. And that's what all these guys are dealing with. It's what Brad Trulivin was dealing with. It's now what Craig Conroy is dealing with. Why do you think there's been such a push to try and get some of these guys resigned?

Because that is the path to being as competitive as possible. Look at what's happening around the league. Two of the seven Canadian teams did not sell out their home opener this year. Someone had to fly to Winnipeg to ask Jets Chairman Mark Chipman whether any sort of relocation talk was fantasy.

That's where we're at in today's business with the NHL. Ticket prices are high. Fans don't want to come out and buy into a team that they don't believe in, and rightfully so. And you've got owners that aren't wanting to dig deep into their pockets to fund this operation.

They want to have a team that's in the mix. You've got to have a stomach to have five to eight years of writing $50 million checks a year. And dig deeper into that. There's 32 teams. Half are going to be in the mix. Right? I think the bad attendance would help Marie flip his opinion to be fair, Frank.

It's not like you're adding talent when you extend guys. You're just keeping the same group that already isn't drawing people. I think if he, if his plan was we bring it back with a new coach, I expect revenue to be X because this team will be competitive. When it's not and people stop showing up because they're disenchanted with this group, you say, oh, my plan to get revenue to X didn't work. We need a new plan. And I wouldn't be surprised.

The only time this clubs ever rebuilt is when they were forced to because their team was old and bad. It was the same thing with Jerome when Jay Feister was here. You can't trade him. You can't trade him. You even know not to ask to trade him. Even when everyone sees you're not good enough with Jerome and he just scored 41 goals. This is the point where this franchise, since he's been the majority owner, has decided to rebuild when they've been so stubborn on being competitive that they get old, mediocre and they're forced to rebuild. I guess because I thought about that last night.

I wonder if part of that is in ownership's thinking as well because they did. They sold Jay Beaumaster and they sold Jerome McGinland. They sold off. They didn't do well on any of those deals. Emil Porriere and Morgan Clemchuk and the U.S. college guys that they got. To rebuild, it's what you do. But they did a version of that.

And it didn't help them at all. None of the assets that they got from selling off their big guys. helped the cause. So I don't know if that makes him a little leery of it. I just, I guess Frank, we'll let you go because this is depressing as hell. It is early.

We sit here because we watch this every single day. We talk about it every single day. So it's, it's kind of riding that balance of being too negative or whatever. If how much, how much of a sample size do you need to see of this year's team before you Yeah, that's, I feel confident knowing what that team is and that this is the path they should take. Each successive game feels a little bit more like a continuation of last season.

I'd like to get to a quarter of the year before really trying to make that determination. But we're getting close to that point where it seems to be pretty overwhelming that this group is what it is, especially when you have players coming out to send a message that they have to this point, that's the alarming part is they're telling you there's a problem. And, you know, at some point, if you, I'm reminded of this all the time, if someone's telling you what they are, you got to believe them. Yeah, if they keep telling you. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. And you know what this is why we always say about U.S. Thanksgiving. That's around the quarter poll. the numbers hate you if you're out by a certain margin at that point. There's always the outlier like the blues that were last place in early January, but I think you have to trust that if you're really bad at U.S. Thanksgiving, you're really bad. I mean, I'd just like to see some fire.

I'd like to see some compete. And there was like a little bit of that on Sunday. That was your heartburn. Yeah, that's the musters. Yeah, that was from the, the nops. Caesars I had this weekend. Oh, spicy? But no, I would say

it was, there was a slight pushback from Calgary, which was at least a little bit encouraging, because it could have been, the way that first period went, it could have been a 7 to 1 game. Yeah. Well, and I thought the rest helped. They got some 5 on 3s. They got over 3 minutes

of 5 on 3 time. And then also it's like, didn't really capitalize on them is the amazing part. Yeah. And so now we're giving them credit for basically having like a quarter of a period where they control play. That's how low the bar is for this group right now. Uncoordinated or as a guy that I coach with youth hockey always says, whenever our teams entering the zone, they seem to have a coordination attack. And that's what it seemed like the flames are doing at times.

Well, glad to see you made it home safely, Frank. Rest, Frank. Or keep at it. Make another kid. Let's go. Make another kid, buddy. You're still banging or whatever. You're still getting it? Yeah, buddy.

You're still getting it, Frank. Yeah, buddy. So glad you're still at it these days. Yeah. So glad. Yeah. No time for sleep. Like absolutely mortifying.

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You're looking good, though. First one, perfect. Second one, perfect. Third one. Like, where are you going from there? I feel like that... I lost... Yeah, we're going to have to stick the landing on that last one?

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Yes, sir. I think tomorrow, I think we've done this in the past, that perhaps we need some people, deep breath in it tonight, finding some Zen and text in the reasons to be positive for the flames moving forward. We can do that. Just flip those standings upside down.

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Went full opposite George. So basically, the thought being, my logic was so bad that I had to keep that same logic and just go to the other side and all these own three weeks to turn into three and no weeks, obviously. I close. I was a giant's field goal, man, away from going three and oh, fellas. And they bungled that. They had the jets. That was so. Yeah, it was very jetsy, but somehow still it looked good on the Giants. They miss a field goal, a chip shot, and then lose an extra time. So yeah, you were that close to going three and oh. Man.

And that gets me to a very robust six and 15 on the season. I mean, New Orleans one going away. Denver wins outright. All those felt gross, too, all those picks. Congrats to you. That's what it's got to be. You got to feel like crap. Hang on.

Is that plus three and a half I got with the Giants? I thought it was two and a half. If it's three and a half, I hit that. If it lost my three. It's a three and a week. I think it's a three and out. The line changed to two and a half, but when we had it on Friday,

it was three and a half. Good Lord. Oh, baby. Well, the Giants would need to be plus three and a half. Well, they were. They were, the Jets were favorite. Jack's got this written down on. That's probably why we're having this year.

Yeah, I have the Giants plus two and a half here. Friday. So that's just a typo from Jack. He's screwing us. Your record might be wrong too. I'm all over the place to that. Like this stream ending and I don't know what's going on. Jack, are you all right?

I'm hanging in there, but I'm feeling a little weird. Are you? I'm just like waiting for the stream to end again now. It's like in my head. Something happened that. Don't worry about it. Hey, it's the it's, it's, it's, there's something between

the game last night. Mood, morale is real low. Real low. We got to, like Rick said, we got to turn this thing around. Spin it. Look at Pinders' picks. They're already coming around. See? This is how it starts. Let's, who's next?

Your pick there, Jackie, boy. Who do you want to talk? What picks are next? Oh, Jesus. Whomp, wamp, wamp. Jackie. Oh, and he's back on the Steelers, too. Oh, the Steelers. I should have known. It's okay, Jack.

What was with Casey yesterday? Did anyone watch that game at all? The Denver defense has suddenly looked good after being just aerated for four weeks. Their last four, they've been very good. And I don't know. And they had just played each other, what, about three or four weeks ago? Like, they just, Russell Wilson's been playing better. They went to school on them.

Casey has no thought that they're going to lose to this team. So. Upset special right there. Upset special. Okay, let's move on. That doesn't feel very positive. I'm not getting very positive vibes coming from that. My pick, I go one and two.

Miami did cover the big 10, a night and a half. It fell down seven nothing too. I was worried about you, yeah. Atlanta, they got, they got ship pumped by,

yeah, I don't know what's going on there. And I had Indy with a plus one, no dice, no one, put the boots to them. So tough week for me, I fall to eight and 13.

Goodness, gracious. Is that consistent? I don't even think that's right, Jack. I think you're right. Your math is off. Let's see where Retro is at on our Betway point spread picks. Oh.

One and two. Still over 500, Rhett. You and Jack both had Pittsburgh and Houston. I knew I should have changed that. And you had the Vikings minus two. Hmm. Well, congrats to the pin here.

Pinder, great week. Thanks, buddy. Good for you, man. So close to three and all. So close. So we're going to, that energy is going to rub off on all of us. We're going to have a big week. Good.

Love it. See you Friday. Week nine, right? Is that what we're in now? It'll be week nine. We have seven weeks of picks because week two, we didn't put picks in. I guess that's right. Yeah.

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Huh? Honestly, try one. Try it. You're going to love it. Stop yelling. Stop yelling at me. Can I put some ranch on it? Don't put ranch on it.

Well, we got through it. I, we have talked way too much about that game. from last night. Yeah, in 24 hours, this is our, we're closing in on our sixth hour of conversation about it. That's enough. That is enough. And what, if you're the coach, if you're the GM,

what do you do? But it almost, not that you would take comfort out of it, but there would have to be, because it's so limited. The salary cap, the skill level at the American hockey league, what you have here,

you cannot do sweeping changes. Whatever is going to happen is going to happen because of who is in that dress era. And it's going to... It's going to lose. Happen at the deadline if you get my intent, what's going to happen. There's this... I'm not going to...

I'll be negative again tomorrow. Will you? I thought we were asking not to do that. No, I'll have one negative take tomorrow. Or should I finish it off today? Do you want to flush it from your system? Yeah, get it out. The risk of injury increases dramatically.

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That'll do it for our show. We will be back tomorrow. Not a game day. Not until Wednesday. The Dallas Stars come in. And so how do we want to do this? Do we want to do a Twitter? How do we send in your positive vibes?

or how do we get the positivity to start flowing in for the show? We got Bobby Germany here today. Maybe we can throw something up on Twitter and Instagram. Give us your reasons for positivity around the flames. It'll be a unicorns, rainbows, and candy episode tomorrow. All the good stuff. Halloween. Yeah.

Yeah, I suppose. Full-size candy bars. Where are we going? Retz, who's at your house, man, in the door? I hate doing the door. My kid, the oldest kid can do the door. I'm out there trick or treating. Yeah, doing the door stinks.

I'm pulling the wagon. I think I might have set myself up to do the door tomorrow. It's not ideal. Dude, you're a wagon guy. You're a drinker. You're a doer. I know. The only thing is, if you're the door guy,

I'm just thinking of your place because at my place, you can do the door, but I've also got one of those little fire pits. You can get going and have a couple of these. A couple of those going over there. Makes the door a little easier to take. That's true. It is fun,

especially when kids are your age. Yeah. I want to be out with them and see them doing their thing. It's getting pretty close to peak Halloween. Fellows are eight. Like that's your rate in the pocket there.

That's some good times. See? Feeling better already. Oh, love it. It's what this show does. Brings us all together. Indeed. Positive vibes.

That'll do it. That'll do it. See it a while. All right.