Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - JACOB MARKSTROM TRADED TO THE DEVILS Ft. Noodles | FN Barn Burner - June 19th, 2024

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

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Oh, hi, buddies. Welcome to the podcast here on a Wednesday. I have to just, is this a Wednesday? All these, there's games and there's no games and there's, it's hard to keep straight. And I'll be honest, it feels like it's almost summer vacation. So my, it also could be a week till we have the final game of the Stanley Cup finals. That is true. Yeah.

What are we doing here? Wait until next Monday, potentially? No. It's very oil-esque for them to. ruin with our vacation. You know what I'm saying? Getting in the road. We were just talking,

Jamie McClennan, we expect he's the usual Wednesday guest. We presume he will be joining us. A bit of a dropeth of the ball, perhaps, from myself, as I didn't check in on him, but we have, it would seem like, plenty to talk about today, as there was a game five last night, which also guaranteed there will be a game six

coming up on Friday in the Stanley Cup final as the Oilers beat the Panthers 5-3 last night. But in the last half an hour or so, and again, depending on when you're watching this and when you listen to this, as far as in our real time, the news has broken that Jacob Markstrom has been traded

to the New Jersey Devils, and we as of right now do not have the complete details. So it's kind of like us, right? We kind of know what's going on, but not everything. Idea guys. Yeah, we're an idea guys. What they should do is trade Markstrom. Okay, for what?

Well, see. Yeah. Frank has said it's done. Lebrun sort of adds to the context of it. It probably is done, but they'd like to inform everyone, perhaps that's not done yet. I have confirmation from the team that a trade has been, that Markstrom's been traded.

Right. And Frank's not wrong, obviously, but the context of here is providing is that this isn't going to be official until they alert the people that are involved. Whether it's just Markstrom, uh, or whether that's other humans involved. We don't know. We don't know. Do you have your fingers crossed there?

I did. I like big trades. Big trades are fun. The more than merry. Yeah. this time of year we've had some huge ones this was the larsen hall one for one this was the pk suban for shea weber there's been huge huge deal struck this time year uh this time of year and last year it was the flames moving to foley about what five days in the future from here yeah and uh what's what's great is conroy again just control he's pulling all the strings he's the puppet master right he's got all of it going hey you know what we should do we should wait to the cup finals over you know what i can't wait any longer for you guys i can't wait any longer doesn't it feel like that's exactly

what happened. Fuck, you know, the hell with this. If there's not really nothing. McDavid's going to be doing this horse bleep, then I'm just going to announce. I can't let you have the spotlight, Edmonton. You jerks. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure. I was ready to let it breathe if you got swept, but now I got to get in the way of this thing.

Everyone in Edmonton is like, what? Well, as great as this trade as this game was last night. What about this Marstrom trade? It's interesting. Well, there's obviously layers to it, I think, first and foremost. Flames fans want to know what's coming back. We've talked a lot about the 10th overall pick

because that is what is that belongs to the New Jersey Devils. Now, outside of that, the discussions we've had is the 10th enough for Markstrom? Is Markstrom enough for the 10th? So there's some, you know, there's some gaps there, depending, I'm sure, in New Jersey, like, well, what else are you giving? We heard for that 10th. That's a 10th overall pick.

And the Flames would be thinking, just one pick for a guy like Jacob Markstrom? You guys really need a goalie. So I wonder where it comes in. And who knows, the 10th may not be in this at all. We'll have to wait and see. But it would seem like that's... Are we going to be extremely disappointed if the 10th is not?

I know some people will be, but we don't know what the other returns are. It's not as if the New Jersey Devils can't amass a pile of things to throw in a deal that are worth more than 10 overall. They absolutely could. And whether that's a Dawson Mercer or Alexander Holtz and other picks or there's a huge number. of things that could add up to something of more value than number 10. But when you're less than a week, or I guess a week and we can change out from the draft and you really are starting to figure out what kind of caliber player is going to be a 10. I think fans get excited.

And to the same token, I think the New Jersey Scouts are probably like, hey, if we're using this, we know exactly what type of player we're going to get. So we'll see. The thing I'm kind of cautious about is when we got taught, you think about the TANF trade. We were talking about that just before we got going here. you can start to go through the list of prospects that the Dallas stars have and then be left a little disappointing when your five, six, seven names deep and you don't hit the person that they've actually traded for.

And it was kind of the same thing in Vancouver where it's like, okay, well, is it this guy's? Okay, Bristevich. Well, he's a little bit down the line a little bit. He's a pretty high caliber guy this year. But he wasn't, just when we were sitting there taking a look, I wonder if it's him or him or him. And it was right.

Yeah. And it's a guy that was having a monster. that we hadn't heard about, who was injured his draft year, blah, blah, blah. The ceiling's pretty different on Grushnikov and Bhrstevich. But yeah, to your point, we don't know other people's prospect pipelines, right? Like that's, I guess what I'm saying is for us to start to go through and fine tooth combing the New Jersey system. You know, there's Holtz and Nemitz and, like you said, Dawson Mercer, I can't imagine

Dawson Mercer would be traded by New Jersey. I'm just saying there's lots of things you'd like more than 10, and fans will be like, oh, it's not 10, but that doesn't mean you didn't get something worth more than 10. Yeah. That's my only point here. There's a million things that could be in this deal from Jersey. While we wait and we're... Our tentacles are out there.

Red has contacted all of his sources inside the game of hockey. So he is patiently waiting. Who better than our next guest to chime in. He is, of course, a close personal friend of Jacob Markstrom's. I was with Markstrom last night. They had dinner. So we get right. to the source with Jamie McClennon.

Noodles, how we do it? Not too bad. I mean, good timing. I come on and Markey appears to be heading out. So, and no, I've not had dinner with him ever before. So, I mean, as much as ever. Okay. You weren't selling him on Greater New York?

Give him a pitch. If he asked me, I would sell him on, you know, direction of where the flames are at right now compared to where New Jersey is potentially going. He's well aware. So listen, you know, by all accounts, if the deal's made, obviously it's been tweeted out and all of that fun stuff. But at the end of the day, you know, we're always going to judge the return, right? I heard you guys talking about the return.

Yeah, I would argue it's probably going to be a first rounder. That's there's somewhere probably in there. That seems to be the going currency for top players. And then the prospect, whether that's a guy on the live roster or a guy that is going to play. you know, I'm sure Connie had dug in, you know, whether that deal was available at the deadline or if the deal was available best kind of right now situation. Keep in mind, and this is what I always tell people and I'm temper expectations because we're talking about it in Toronto. The player controls, the player controls where he's going, right? Yeah.

You know, like that's really. We just noted. Okay. Go ahead. Sorry. The deal just broke. Yeah. What is it?

What is it? Darren Dregor has just tweeted that March him to the Devil's, a return. Calgary gets their first round pick in 2025, which is next year's first, and 23-year-old defenseman Kevin Ball, who I believe was a part of the Taylor Hall swap as a prospect. So he's a big defenseman that's physical that sort of is on the edges of their roster,

so they get a first next year and a defenseman that probably should be able to step into their lineup this season. You know, it's funny. You mentioned Ball. I was thinking like, what is he, 23? I watched him. I think he played all game. all the games last year. He's pretty solid.

Like, that's pretty much your, you know, Zedorov's type of, like, big monster guy. You've got some bite, good skater, all of that type of stuff. So I don't know, you know, what is it? So first rounder in, what, 2025? Next summer, not this summer. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, that's the going rate.

And the other thing, wasn't Markstrom, is he do any bonuses or something like that? Like, I don't know. No, there's two years left at six. and I would, if there's no retention, that's a bit of a win for Calgary because I knew that was a hangup. We talked about a tonne back in February. Yeah. I mean, you know, six million off your books or something like that. At the end of the day, you know, that's the going rate.

I don't know. It would be interesting to see, this would be my question, and I know we've never probably get a straight answer out of Calgary. What were the other offers? Because if Markstrom, who controls the scenario going? if we can guess have a crystal ball who needs a goaltender who wants a golder

what would Ottawa have offered? What would Toronto have offered? What would LA have offered? Like we can do the what if game but if Markstrom wasn't interested in going anywhere. I mean, I don't know if he, if Calgary approached him to waive or if he had asked for a trade. I don't know the particulars of that as well.

There's that detail. Then there's also Flames ownership. Were they willing to eat anything? And if they were, was the pot sweeter or you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, that's the other thing too, right? Like until the actual meat of the deal trickles out, we can weigh in. I don't know. How do you guys feel like, Pinder, you're dialed into draft picks and all that? Well, I think it would be really tough to get Jersey to give up number 10,

given that this is a team that thinks they're very good and got let down this year. I think they're probably pretty sure their picks going to be between 18 and 30 next year. So I can see why New Jersey wants it to be the 25 pick. From Calgary's perspective, you've got two picks in 26. You've got two this year. And you have three next year, one of which you'll have to send to Montreal. So they're loading up with more picks in the year that they have to send a first to the habs for that Monaghan swap. So I get it from a devil's perspective.

If the flames really like ball and think this is a guy that maybe has a four or five ceiling, that's good work. If he's just around the edges 6-7, then I don't know that that's enough. But again, they'll know more about ball than we do, certainly. Right, right. I, you know, just thinking back to my notes and stuff like that, he was just solid defender. You know, I don't know. I don't have comparables, but probably fall into the suzy, you know. There's not a lot of offense there based on what we've seen so far.

He had one goal at 11 points in 82 games. six six 30 and just emerged right yeah yeah who's the mutant that plays in uh uh Dallas uh played in yeah Lexiac back in the day yeah Alexiak yeah yeah Alexiac back in the day you know like I I think these types of guys now we're seeing you know big defenseman being valuable right like that's the you know if you can have a guy that can can be a tree instead of a shrub on the back end and and and really be a good. defender. They are at a premium. I don't know what the premium is. Again, Markstrom's scenario is if you're heading in a different direction with the Calgary Flames, which, you know, you've got Wolf there, you've got Vladar and had another year. Like, so they're going to, if they're retooling, you can, you can shape some of that money that was earmarked for Markstrom into, you know, kind of rebuilding, retooling your team, put the money somewhere else, either in free agency or if you have to

sign guys internally. Yeah, I don't know that we've been banging the drum that this team should be spending in free agency. But if you could weaponize that, cap space another way, that's a move. Well, you know what? Then I would spin it this way. If you, if you're not done yet, if you're still going to, maybe Connie uses some currency at the deadline or at the trade deadline or, you know, at the draft, you can spin picks out

onto players like the balls, like guys like that who are 23, like, like this. team needs to get younger and and continue to grow, whether that's through draft picks or through young players that have now as balls, what's his contract status? One more year, he will be at an RFA with arbitration rights. He makes just over a million dollars. Yeah, it's a non-issue. He's under team control and he's got no numbers that are going to scare you. Yeah. The thing I wonder about is New Jersey had all those injuries on the back end. They lose Dougie Hamilton this year. This is a guy that played all 82 games just a year after playing half a season. Is he a top Sanichel defenseman or did he have to be and that was part of the reason things fell apart in

Jersey. The flames obviously think he is one. Right. So and look, if we were to tell, you know, that there was a six foot six, two hundred thirty pound guy that took a little longer to develop, that would totally make sense. Because he's just arrived in his 22 year old season does not mean that this guy isn't going to be a player in this league. But he's also been coveted and trade twice now. He's drafted by Arizona. They swap him in the Taylor Hall deal. And now he comes to Calvary from Jersey. It's his third organization. So clearly there's some tools you can dream on here. Right, right.

But again, you know, unless they come through, then it's a guy who's bounced around a little bit. But, you know, at that frame, you're right. Like Red can speak to it. You know, you grow into it. If he ends up being, you know, a four or five, that's not a bad trade. But it might take him a couple years to grow into his body and grow into some.

He's getting a chance to play. Absolutely well. Yeah. Like, there's no question. They, right now, Oliver Shilinton is not signed. Their third highest paid defense is Daniel Miramanov. And Miramanov was an eight with Vegas last year. They have all kinds of room to develop a guy and see what he looks like in minutes.

What are you saying, right? I'm saying that he's our top, he's in the top four in Calgary already. Yeah, yeah, by default. No, I think that's one of free agency. But if he'll get full five, six minutes if he or no sweat, even if they had a guy. Yeah. And Shillington's interesting because. you know, I think he's a guy that played himself into a top four.

It certainly has that type of ability. But I say this respectfully because we know he's had that the challenges off the ice. Is there a level of trust when it comes to a business, when you just got to put your business hat on, not your emotional hat, your business hat on? You know, do you commit to a guy like that long term or do you keep him on the year to year and go, you've got to unfortunately prove. it because we got to see where you're at. Well, and again, knowing all this stuff, why is it not done if both sides are cordial

with each other? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, somebody's obviously not happy. Or this should, like, this should be, we stood beside you and you've worked your way through it. This is a great, what a great story. Yeah.

This should be done, in my opinion. It's one of those things where it's like, when I think about the Schillington, I'm going, why, what's the holdup? Like, this should be an easy, he should want. It should be a layup, Brett. If it's, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, we're going to stand by you, but we're not giving you a long-term deal just based on where you're at, then he should put his hand up and say, I'm fine with that.

You stood by me while I was going through my struggles. Like, it should be one year deals until you get to that level where it's not a struggle. And I don't know if that's the case like that. I'm using the wrong verbiage here because I'm sure he might struggle his whole life. But my point being is from a business standpoint, if it looks like the flames stood by him or not looks, they did stand by him. He came back and played pretty solid. Like it should be an easy one to extend a one year deal and kick the can down the road if he

continued to grow as a player. And then you get into a long-term deal once you have that stability and you feel good about your game. the top the first row picks top 10 protected as well for the devils which uh okay shouldn't be an issue but yeah so we thought we were getting a top 10 pick for markstrom you were hoping when we came in it's it and i i guess our our gauge we're not involved in these trade talks so to know what top 10 protected means versus not protected how much do you get for a for taking half of salary salary retention as as opposed to not it would seem like the one the one thing the flames get here is they're not eating any salary which means there's potentially other ways to epiliponize that space right you're not

it's not three million of dead money uh they have a lot of space though would be would be the thing well i mean let's be honest let's not right off the first rounder that's that that's that's that's that's another nice yeah i'm right here sorry i'm jumping in here because pre-show it better be a it better be number 10. It's not better. You're hoping. God, it'd be great if it was 10. Yeah. And I get it. You're this close. He's like, no, we're not giving you 10. What's that? I would say that you're just reading.

I think it's a little light. Yeah, I do. But again, like if ball ends up being an eight year guy on the blue line, you win this thing. Like, it's just that that's just the case. So right. The thing about a pick is you know, you know where number 10 is on the draft board. well we don't know what the player is what the hell he's going to do for the next ever is he well here would you down is he a top four is he at five six the other thing too is that just makes it hard to grade it's easy when you just know the picks law you're like ah 10 overall i know what that should be right but the other the other thing too guys is you know respectfully to ball like it's not as sexy right if it was a high scoring forward if it was a you know like you guys

I heard you guys before I came on talking about, you know, you look at prospects, ratings and all that. Hey, let's look at L.A. what they've got. Hey, let's look at New Jersey's top prospects. Would he be in there or would he be farther down or because he played last year? Like, that's the type of stuff where I understand where you're at Pinder where maybe it's a little light or not as sexy. But you're right. If he ends up having an eight year career, 10 year career and is a mainstay at a 4-5 or a 5-6 type of thing,

then you've got what you needed out of it. And that pick ends up turning into something too that you get. Like you, there's a bunch of what ifs with these trades. I always say like New Jersey got the best player. Like they did. That's ultimately, you know, what we're dealing with right now. But in the end, you got cap flexibility. You got a pathway for the young goaltender to move forward in Wolf.

You've got a young defenseman that has upside. And, you know, like there are, there are. There is some wins here. It just, is it enough? I think that'll be the question that people are going to ponder. They were talking about, I'm not, I don't, Conroy knows what the market is. And he took the deal.

So it is what it is. It doesn't make damage. There is salary retention. Dregor's saying it's at least 30% that the flames are keeping. So 30 a third, it'd be like, that's around $2 million, a little less. So, and again, that feels like you should be compensated for two years of retention of near $2 million.

But again, until we know what ball, player is. It's tough. And where that 25 pick falls, it's tough to grade this thing. Right. You'd prefer 10 at this point, but it doesn't mean this package can't be better. I don't care. This is what it is. And Conroy does this deal. And it is, but we're talking to, we were talking about Alexander Holtz. Right. There's no Holtz. There's no Mercer. Dosson Mercer's name. No Simon Nemich on the back end. No, no 10th overall. Right. Yeah. And it may end up being a, it may end up being a good deal and we were maybe way out to lunch. But if, yeah, it's, I don't think it's out to lunch to suggest you could ask for all those

things, Dean, right? It's just that you need, it has to be the situation where you've got the leverage to get what you want. Was this the only team Craig could negotiate with that he would go to? Did Craig feel like he had to move him this summer and not be able to wait? You know, what other forces were there? We don't know. That's the best point.

If he just paid him anywhere, could he get more? We don't even know. That's the best point is, you're right. You have no idea if Craig Conroy's hands were tied behind his back where the player, you know, I'll give you a recent trade. Vladimir Teresenko goes to Steve Steyos. He says, you want to trade me, I'm going to Florida.

Okay. Like Florida knows it. So Florida, you know, Billy Zito's not going to mop the floor with Stales, but he's like, gay, give you a, what was it, a third and a fifth or a fifth or so. I can't remember what it was. But it wasn't an overwhelming return, but it was good enough. It was fair. market. You know, if, again, we don't know behind the curtain, but if, if, if it was communicated with the Calgary Flames that, you know, there's a narrow approach here and we want Team X, then you're literally, and Team X knows it, well, they're not going to move off of the names that you were just

throwing out. The Mercer's and the Holtz and Nemich and, you know, they're, they're going to hold tight. But they're playing a game of chicken because if, if Markstrom decides, I'll broaden my approach. And maybe I, you know, I do want L.A. Maybe I do want Toronto or something else. Then, then, then it looks a lot different as far as the return because you've got a competition. Now you've got a marketplace. What's this do for Jersey?

They're a damn good team now. Because if Hamilton comes back healthy, you got, you got, I think Hamilton, we all know Dougie very well. And he's got his warts, but he's a hell of a player too. And, you know, keep in mind, Jack Hughes started like a rocket ship last year. And then that injury really derailed his season, got it back near the end, but it wasn't good enough. That team is pretty damn close. Like, you know, the first year, drawing a blank Meyer, Timo Meyer coming over on that big deal. It took Kim a while to settle in.

but you've got you've got the framework there's some pretty damn good players. The one thing that Jersey has been missing is people to stop pucks. They got the guy. They got the best goaltender available. I don't think,

I don't know what's called. Jacob, Mark, it's the perfect land because they got two young kids that are growing. And Markstrom-Zil isn't six years. It's two. You know,

so you, there's some runway for kids to develop and you've got the goalie right now. It's a, I think it's a fantastic deal for Jersey. It really improves what they look like because I don't know how many times I would look at Travis Green or Lindy Ruff and go, God, they got a hell of a team. They can't get a save. Like couldn't get a save last year.

Oh, no, it's much like it was with Dallas for TANF, this feels like a very good trade for them to make. It's not that they gave up nothing. they gave up a first but not this year because they know that it's 10 and next year they know it's going to be 11 or worse because it's protected they get a little bit of salary help

which leaves them open if they get close to a deadline I don't know what the New Jersey salary situation is and they did yeah it's and Kevin Ball is probably if not expendable he's not top of the list for them on the blue line I don't think their top four is going to be hurting or have a major hole now that he's gone it doesn't mean

that this is, you know, that Calgary has lost this deal. I would, like you say, I would love to know. We know Markstrom was sour last year with all the trade talk. He's getting traded to New Jersey, then it doesn't happen.

Right. And you wonder, look, I said I'd go to New Jersey, I'll go to New Jersey. If Conroy has one team, maybe two teams, we don't know where Mark, because we've thrown out, you know, LA could use some gold tent. You know, like you said,

how far Sweden to L.A.? Maybe being closer to home matters to him. Who knows? Newark, let's go. How many, how many teams did Conroy realistically have to deal with here? And if you're, if you're Fitzgerald, yeah, I want the goalie. But I also know that I'm in the driver's seat as far as any other team because this is where this guy's guy's going.

And you know what? To add on to that, Dean, you have to know that probably Tommy Fitz has been in touch with Boston and said, what's Almark's situation on his wave, right? And does that include, you know, well, Omar wave, but does that come with an extent? or what do we have to do with that? You know Ottawa is probably pounding the pavement going, what do we, you know, we're going to give up something to get a goaltender. Now, Corpus Sallo, I think they're going to forge ahead,

but they might go into a tandem situation where O'Mark might be sexy enough that they trade, you know, one of their good pieces for O'Mark that comes with an extension. I know that sounds crazy, but if they end up going 10 million in net, you know, they on a tandem situation, that's my, you know, you've got a little bit of flexibility on some salary stuff. Maybe Josh Norris, I don't know what his situation is, but I just, I think you look at these teams. I'm coming back to where if it was just marks from going, I want to go to Jersey and nowhere else, then you're looking at all the other teams that might be in on this and we're not going there. Then there's, there's.

Nothing you can do. I mean, that's the goaltender's right. Yeah. Your signal's a little in and out, but I wanted to get to what we know now, it seems, this is Dustin Wolf. He's got the head start and being the number one here, obviously. Your thoughts on Wolf and his readiness to be the number one? I'm leaving the car.

I'm going to get a better signal for you. It pisses me up, and I don't have a good signal. Because I've been sitting in my car at the grocery store. I'm going up here. They've got a better signal. You're a real person. Yeah, it sounds great. Pissed off now because I thought I had some gold and you guys are just sitting there staring at me.

We had you. We had you right till the end. Okay, hold on. Now I've walked into a construction zone. I'm going back down. This gives a great pathway to Dustin Woolf because there's nobody in front of him now. He's the guy. Dan Vladar is going to be there as a safety blanket.

When he's healthy. When he's healthy, you're right. But I just, I think, and if they have to sign somebody, you know, if Lidar can't be healthy and you maybe sign a three, the Martin Jones signing that tree had last year, somebody like that, then you look at it and go, we're going to give a pathway for Dustin Wolf, and we're going to see what he is as a goalie. Is he a 50 game starter?

Can he be a 60 game starter? and again, if there are some bumps in the road, you've got Vlodar and or the other goaltender that they potentially have as a three to give him some nights off. So what I think it does, it just, you got to figure out what Wolf is at the NHL level. He's an NHL goaltender,

but as we all make it to the NHL, the NHL sorts you out. So what does that mean? You know, is it, are you a 40 game starter? Are you 50 or are you 60? Are you a super? star, all of that. He has the makings of on the framework of being

a hell of a goaltender. Now really he's got a pathway to sort it out. Yeah. Interestingly, like if you were going to know you had to throw, I don't want, horrible cliche, Wolf to the Wolves next year defensively before the Markstrom trade, would we be surprised

that they're going to go add a huge hulking defenseman whose strengths are the penalty kill and shot suppression of his own end? Because that's that's the card on on ball. You're not going to get offense, but it's a guy that's going to help the flames in their own zone. I wouldn't be surprised if they had another guy like this in free agency,

because I don't think they're going to be good, but they don't want to have Dustin Wolf facing 45 shots a night and six breakaways. You can't have the San Jose situation. You cannot have that where McKenzie Blackwood, you know, all this guy knows is just getting caved in every night. And he's a good goaltender, but you wouldn't know it from the numbers other than when you look at, the game stolen that he had.

Calgary is a better team than that. They just, they want to like Cadry, Coleman, guys are like that. They're backland. They're not going to allow the team to be a tire fire. But you're right. Like you can't have a complete turnover where it's all kids and Wolf gets hung out to dry and his progression gets hurt because he has a bunch of losses and ugly losses. to the ear point where he's getting six breakways and, you know,

20 high danger chances against the night. That'll wear him down and it'll actually hurt his development. So I think Connie will be methodical with the people that he adds, but you'll add it with a purpose. And the purpose is to be younger and to develop and have a younger core to develop together. Are the Panthers a tire fire? What are we got going on here? I wouldn't say that.

I just said 97 is just on a mission right now. Like that's that's gross hockey what he's playing like I'm flying back I was in the building game four and that was you know everything went wrong that night you can those are ones where the coach just says burn the tape like you know what like I liked most comments after he said the best thing that we got Bob a half a game off the scary part is is Edmonton and I'm not lying being around that team for three or four days they kept saying if they get one, they feel like they could break through. Well, they look pretty damn comfortable last night because if you look at the formula that they've got,

now Stuart Skinner has to play well. He's played well. I think for the most part, he's been okay in this series. He's given up a couple, you know, leaky goals here or there. But the last two games been really, really good. You know, Darnell Nurse and the defensive core was getting caved in. I like their adjustments. Florida's forecheck was really getting to them.

Now I don't know if you see they're chipping the puck into the neutral zone, just trying to relieve pressure. Evanston's found a third line that just, you know, Yanmark, Brown, and drawing a blank 19, what's his name, got traded for? Henrique. Henry, Adam Henrique. That third line has been unbelievable. Connor Brown looks like a man on, you know, he looks like he's skating like McDavid right now.

He's been just flying out there. Took him a long time to recover from that serious injury, the knee surgery. So, you know, they're getting all of it. The formula's there. I think Florida's got to have a reset. Like just breathe and play. They're a hell of a team and they pushed last night. And we did see Chuckie enter this conversation.

I thought he almost single-handedly dragged him back in. to that game last night. So, Edmonton's not just going to put the gear on Friday night and get a win because, you know, Florida's in a bad spot. Florida's going to push, but I think the,

the challenge is Florida's got to try and win two, one. They've got to push those games into where it's fighting for every ounce of ice. But Edmonton's speed has given Florida some problems. And again, 97's on a different planet right now. I just don't, I don't know if he's going to be denied.

but I think Friday's game is going to be unbelievable. And obviously I've got to fly out there and be in the mix. But Edmonton has believed all along if they got one, they're going to make a series of it and they certainly have. Yeah. It's crazy. I know what guys were talking about on the broadcast last night. And noodles were all about the same age.

But I just remember when I was young watching Gretzky in 85 and 88, And then even what he, Gretzky has said, the hockey he played in 93 with the Kings in that Leafs series was some of the best hockey he's ever played. And this is where McDavid is tracking with some of the greatest performances that the greatest player ever has put up. Yeah, it was an amazing thing to watch last night. It felt like if he wanted another point or two, he was going to get it. It's lucky the game was 60 minutes long. You know, everything Florida threw at this. McDavid had a counterpunch.

So they score and then, you know, Florida gets on the, like, Ebiton scores, and then Florida gets on the board. And it's like, McDavid's like, okay, we got to, we can't allow them any momentum. And he gets out there and he makes that power play move where everyone in the building, I think everybody watching the game was like, he's been out there for a buck 45 already. Everybody's changing.

And this guy decides to go end to end. And it was pointed out this. So Darnell Nurse apparently, I don't know if you guys heard this, but it was a pretty interesting nugget. So Nurse, that whole power play was changing. Apparently Nurse was skating to the bench. And instead of the defenseman to jump for him, he was yelling at a forward to give McDavid an option.

And Perry jumped out and then busted to the neck. So it was a really heads up play because it was, Perry was nurse's change apparently. And nurse saw that McDavid was going to make a push and try one. And he yelled to Perry to go. And Perry smart enough, 39-year-old legs was like, I'm just going to go to the blue paint with my stick on the ice. And this guy is going to do the rest.

I'm a right shot. I might have got that one, James. I may have been able to find a way to tap that thing in. Retro had a very long stick. And the blade was like a shovel. And I swear to, God, Retro would have redirected that top shelf as well.

Perfect. You know, getting to the net, I mean, you would have got there. You know, you would have got there, depending on what year we were dealing with and,

you know, where everything was. But I think you would have got there. So, I mean, honest to God, it was, it was pretty interesting to watch that whole thing unfold.

But that being said, you know, Florida, like Bob, I thought Bob was a little bit shaky too. I didn't, I thought there was a couple plays. Obviously,

the McDavid goal. You know, the argument, you see, I was going to point out to a lot of people that give goaltenders heck, because if Bob is in what's called the reverse VH and goes down, which most goalies do at that bad angle, it's a nothing play. But then what happens is in the play where McDavid or other players banked off the goaltender's ear, when they're down on those plays, people are always like, well, stay on your feet. Well, there's a stay on your feet situation where he doesn't go down into the reverse VH. that's probably the save selection there.

So it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. But it was a great play by McDavid to identify that, you know, throw it at the net. Maybe something, you know, we see favorable bounces. And they were certainly not getting any in the first game, first couple games, actually. You know, Hyman goes over the net. RNH misses an empty net. They had three posts in the second game. Like, you know, now they've kind of broken through on Brobrovsky.

Robrovsky's allowed nine goals on his last 39 shots against in the last two games. So Edmonton's found something too. Maybe the pucklock is swinging their way. Totally. Doesn't mean it.

The power play hit three posts in game one. Let's not pretend Bob was the post. Right. The puck luck's changed. And honestly, like I tuned in at 4-2. I thought the Panthers were miles better. But of course, it's 4-2, different story. And Sam Betta,

which on an empty net, score effects. You know, this thing easily could have gone to overtime, but this series has swung back and forth. You know, Edmonton had a really good five, six periods. There's no question to the better team wasn't a third last night. It wasn't Edmonton, but it didn't need to be there. They're up three when it started.

Yeah. And they were defending, and I thought they had some poise. You know, I thought Skinner was really good early in the game. He made two big saves in the first 90 seconds, one on Reinhart, one on Eckblad. That game looks a lot different if he doesn't make those saves. Because now you're chasing it on the building. Let's not forget, Rhett, you and I can speak to this.

That ice stinks. I can't even imagine what the ice is like June 18th, and it's 420 degrees outside. And humidity, it's just the ice, the puck was bouncing around. Now, it's both teams that got to play on it. But if you get a lead, it's a lot easier to defend as opposed to a team trying to be crisp and make some tick-tack toe plays. You're right.

Bennett misses a wide open net. That's snow and ice and puck luck on the back door. I thought Florida was going to tie it. I'll be honest. I thought Florida was pushing to the point where they were going to get the equalizer and win it in overtime. So we got a game six. We'll see what's going to happen.

But man, oh man, they've certainly made a series out of it where this could have been, if this was a four game or a five gamer, you know, you'd go off Florida deserves it and happy for him and all that. Now you're thinking, okay, McDavid might just will them to, and grab the cons mith and will them to a cup as well. So what are we getting? A loaf of bread, container or milk and a stick of butter. Is that what we're getting today? We got a bunch of stuff.

And then this hair needs dealing with too. My salad is. So my hair cutting places right there too. And the Pusatari's the market. It's a very specialized market. Oh, yeah, fancy food. Holy Pusatris. Well, it's a high end place.

You know me. Oh, I know. I dress well. There's security at the door. You got the heat and humidity there too. It's hot. It's 32 degrees right now. It's gross.

Luckily, I don't sweat because I don't work very hard. So, but yeah, it is gross. I talked to a buddy of mine in Lathbridge yesterday. He said it was four degrees. You could see his breath out when he woke up. So, you know, there's always, you know, everyone's talking about the planet being on fire here. Well, go out to Alberta. It wasn't on fire yesterday.

Hang in the foothills. You had snow yesterday. Yeah, honestly, you know what? I don't like it. I don't like the heat because now the bugs, there was a mosquito back here that was flying around. That's why I was moving. I don't like bugs.

So, you know, eventually, like I say, it'll get me. If there's a mosquito around, it always bites me. You're a man's man. I don't like bugs or mosquitoes. I was moving around because there was a mosquito. I don't like the sweat. I am a manly man. There was a fancy grocery store.

he's going to go to his little salon, manly man. I don't know. It's not a barber, but it's a salon, yes. You need the salad rebuild. I'm hanging on for dear life right now. So I don't know if I'll get a fresh dip. It looks pretty good. Like, you know, I openly admitted for the first time six months ago,

I put a little color in the side. That was like, I openly admitted. I'm man enough to admit that I took a color in the side. So you admitted six months ago, how long had you been putting the color in? No, no, no. It was only six months ago. It was my first time. Other than junior, in junior, I put a blonde street.

That was it. But no, I don't think I need a little dip today. I just need a little trim so that the ears look bigger on TV. And I think we'll be good, guys. All right, buddy. Well, safe travels, appreciate you, pal. All right. You're the best.

We'll chat soon, guys. Yeah. There he is. Jamie McLennan. Just sweating. And we got him sitting outside. Sitting outside in the hot, humid car. Yeah.

Whatever parking garage. Cracking a bead in there, furnace face going. So, okay, you know, we can pivot. McLeod Law, we kind of got into it and jumped right in. McLeod Law, it's our trade coverage is brought to you by McLeod Law. Peter Klein, he's our guy, personal injury guy. He's also the go-to guy for your disability insurance claim. If you've been in the unfortunate spot where you're having to deal with this,

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MacLeod-dashlaw.com is the place to go. So trade is done. Markstrom is off to New Jersey. Kevin Ball and a first in 2025, unprotected, and salary retention for top 10 protected, not unprotected. Sorry, yes, top 10 protected. And they're keeping some dough. Yeah, it's a lot of bending for the flames here, which wonders how much leverage is

being exerted from the Markstrom camp. It does look like Markstrom had some influence. When I see all that, I go. Right. Yeah. And it's not a bad deal. sense that you're getting a first and a guy that you think can fit into your identity for a while, but you're also meeting salary and it's also not this year's first.

It's the opposite of a bidding war. This feels like you were in a spot where you had to trade him. Yeah. And I know that, and this is not to dispute Eric Francis, because Francis had a thing with Conroy. That's, uh, Conroy had said, no, there's no. Well, of course. I don't think Markstrom was coming back. I think he had made that perfectly clear.

And this is this is what you get. So it's, look, we maybe we were off, but I don't know that we weren't. It's hard. It's hard. If you're disappointed, we get it. It's not the 10th overall pick. It's not going to be 10th overall next year either because it's could be 11, but that's highly unlikely.

Right. So yeah, it's again, much like it was with the Tenev deal. And Jim Nill, you felt like Jim Nill did some great work there. Kept. Yeah. Feels like Tom Fitzgerald. got what he wanted here.

Now, as it moves forward, what is Markstrom? What will he be for them? How good will Wolf be? What is Kevin Ball? What do you get with this pick? Do you use it? Do you trade it? That's all, man, it's going to take years and years for that to come down.

I guess the other thing that we get caught up in all the time is we watch it. Markstrom's been great. Well, we're going to trade him. Okay, well, he's, then he's been really great. You know what I mean? As soon as you're trading that asset, oh, he's worth the 10th, maybe the 10th and more. Here's a guy that's, what is he 30? not listen.

You're more guilty than anyone of doing it. You make your point. I'll respond. Go ahead. When the guy's about to be traded, he's so great, he's been really good. And then when it's got, well, you know, at the same time, he was 36. And then the year before. He was leading the league and goals saved him of expected midseason.

That's not a feel. That's, that's data. Like, he had a sensational year until the second pair went away. What I'm saying is that I think there's a tendency to overvalue. the player that you are looking to trade. And it's hard when this type of a return comes in. Yeah, because it looks like this wasn't a bidding war. This was a,

we have to deal with one person. Let's get as much as we can. I think there's a bidding war. You can get 10, but it just doesn't look like there was one. No. Right? Like,

I don't think we're wrong to say 10 was in the neighborhood of a fair deal. But if there's not a bidding war, you're not going to get the best offer. Like, we know that. That's just simple. So, you know, were we out to lunch thinking you could get 10 overall for Jacob Marksum? No, I don't think we were. Do you believe that this was the best offer from 31 other general managers?

No, it doesn't feel like that. Yeah. It does feel like this was, we have to get this deal done. So you got a first at a prospect, but the first isn't the first you wanted. And I'm guessing the prospect isn't really what you wanted any eight salary. Yeah. And Craig has noted in the press release, a quote about Kevin Ball. And look, this is a press release.

So he's not going to say, yeah, we wanted more and we actually wanted this guy. But just in terms of how the flames view moving forward. Quote, for quite some time, we had identified Kevin Ball as a priority player. He is a strong defender with size who plays within an assertive game and tremendous presence.

While his 6-6-230-pound frame is an imposing asset, he uses his body intelligently, has good mobility, and make smart puck decisions. Kevin fits our identity. We're excited to acquire him now as he can continue to grow with our group. He sort of checks a lot of good Branson boxes for me. I was going to say, is he in that, you know, he probably won't move as well as Zedorov did.

Is his brain, you know, on Zedorov level, is it a little bit higher? Defensively. He was on, you know, he was on the world junior team back in 2020 for whatever that's worth. He was a second round pick. And yeah, he's moved around, but I don't know that that's, you look at the, I mean, you look at the trade. It's Taylor Hall. If you have a chance to get Taylor Hall, you're making whatever it takes to get that deal done. but um he's been a highly tout of prospect and he's a guy that you wouldn't be surprised took a while

he's 6-6-230 and the point you make too it's when you try and figure out what is he well you look he's at he's at defensive defense man yeah you know is it so where would he where would he slot in well he was kind of a second pairing guy second pairing guy second pairing guy he'll be more than that here what he was in new jersey it's the same thing as uh sharon govich what was he in new jure It didn't matter. What was he in Calgary? Well, and I think he played,

he avered 17 minutes last year. So I'd sort of say he's more of a five than a top four guy. I don't, you don't get to many second. 1724 average, uh, time on ice. Yeah.

So that feels kind of five-ish to me. Um, maybe I'm out to lunch, but not a lot of PIMs. So this isn't the rugged, tough customer, I don't think. This is just a big,

this is a big, well, hopefully he moves well, but here we are. So now Markstrom. Markstrom, Markstrom, Elias Lindholm, Nikita Zedorov,

Hanifan, they're all gone. Tana is gone. And if you had to grade things, and as time passes, it's easier to grade, the DeFoli deals a win. He got an equivalent or better player, plus a third rounder, and the guy's younger,

has more team control. Tafoli's already gone from New Jersey. I think the Lindholm deal is a clear victory. It was a really bad year for Elias Lindholm. They ended up getting five assets, including a first round pick in there. and Hunter Bristewicz, who had a monster year and will join the Wranglers this season as an offensively minded wizard on the blue line.

That's a clear win. I think the Zadoroab deal was light because the third rounder is three years down the road. If it was a third this year, that's sort of closer. But look, Zadouros asked for six a year. You should be able to more than a third in three years for a guy like that, a third and a fifth. So perhaps a touchlight there. Tanev's light. And I think the Hanifin one, it totally depends how you feel about Danil Miro,

man, because he doesn't look like an eight. He absolutely looks like an in a nutshell defenseman. Whether he's a five or a four, I don't know, but if he's running your power play playing 20 minutes a night, that feels like a fair deal with an unprotected first rounder, albeit down the road. So it's the very

mixed bag that you see from a lot of GMs. There are clear wins, there are clear losses, and there's somewhere like, yeah, we're not sure. It looks kind of fair, to be honest. This feels light. It feels like their hands are tied a bit. Yeah, the mere manov thing. He's not running on the power play on many teams.

No, and look, he's 26, but he's still been listed as a prospect in a lot of scouting services because he hasn't accrued, you know, that huge number of NHL games. I think he's still under 100. If he's a guy that could run a power play unit, that's a value of loss, it's not a throw one. It's not an HL guy, right? Like, it's not. No, but that's what you said. He's running the power play. No, I'm saying if, then that's a clear win.

Like, I don't know that he does that, but the tools are there that he could become that guy. So you have to see if he, if he hits that ceiling or not. Like when we talked about Miramano of in the wake of that deal, it's like, he's hardly played. It's coming off major surgery. Like he's played like 40 games in two years or something ridiculous, like less than that.

Like you have a much better idea now, but there's still like give him a full season. This looks like an NHL player. And at the time, I'm sure of that. I'm still a little, I'm not quite as far down the road as you are. I need to see a little bit more as far as being convinced that he's an

NHL guy and he's a four or a five. or whatever. It's the end of the season. Guys have been traded out. The team is not making the playoffs. I'm not sure. Honestly, I'm not sure what he is.

And the fact that he hasn't played a lot, well, part of its injury, part of it is Vegas a very good team. Both, yeah. Or is it, if he were that good, he would have forced somebody out of a spot. I don't know. What it is, the other day,

we kind of went through and we looked at the depth of forward, and we joked about it. it kind of, you know, tongue in cheek or be a dicks about it, but oh, there's a bunch of three third lines. The, the defense feels a lot the same way here as without seeing this guy play a ton. Kevin Ball does not feel like he's a top three. No, God, no. Miranov is not a top three.

We'll see what Bristewicz is. I can never remember the Russian they got in the Tanev deal. Hersichikov's got no ceiling. He's a third pair of best, yeah. Right. I just thought when this was all going to be. going to be said and done. All of these guys were going to leave. And they got some first round picks and we'll see how that pans out. But the bodies that came in, the prospects, we'll see

with Bristewicz, he feels like he's a higher, higher end. None of these other prospects really get my blood, you know, pumping a ton. Yeah, we, we've got a draft preview show dropping on, I believe, Friday and Derek Newmire of McKeans came in. And they had just finished, I believe, a organizational prospect rankings. I think the flames are like 12, and that's before they use their nine selections of the draft this year. So they're going to move into the top 10 in terms of prospect pools. That's nice. That's a big change. But what the system has is a lot of quantity and no blue chips. Like maybe Matthew Coronado could be a top line winger. Maybe Dustin Wolfe could be a starter in the NHL. Everyone else just has that support piece vibe about them, whether it's middle six

winger or depth center or maybe if things go right, he could be a second pair of defenseman. They haven't added anyone's best organizational prospect. And to be fair, I think GMs are too smart to give up the best prospect in your system for two months of a rental, right? Right. You've seen it happen, but it's rarer and rarer. And what they have amassed is six picks in the next three first rounds.

That's the real valuable part here that, you know, we don't know where these picks are going to fall, that 2016 pick could be in the top 10 from Vegas, it could be number 32. A lot can happen in two years. So the grading is going to be difficult until you see where those picks are, never mind who they use with those picks, but they haven't gone out and mind a top organizational prospect. And to be fair, I don't know that they've had the chips to do it. You probably could have done it with Markstrom, but not without some other leverage in negotiations in terms of a bidding war.

just watching Warner's face. Sadness setting him. That's just, it's a close difference. Well, you can't be me and bitch about the, the projection, is that the right where the trajectory of the team

and say, oh, we got to hit rock bottom to get some of these talented players. And then when they do it. And then they dump guys and they get a bunch of picks, be whole hum, like, I think the flames are going to.

have to be bad. This is part of the process. And they're going to have to hit on picks. Yeah. There's no. And you can keep your fingers crossed as Zari is a top guy or Zari, however. You can keep your fingers crossed on a lot of them, Coronado.

Be good. Be a 30 goal guy. Sharon Govich again, 30 goal guy. They still aren't. Of course, it's Connor McDavid. But you watched what the best in the world do and they make you win. Matthew Kach.

That one's throwing that player in a trade, right? you, Chuck. I know, Ryan, but that's what it takes to win in this league. That's why Edmonton's still playing. I'm not saying you need to get the best player ever, because I think that's what he is, but you have to have super talented blue chippers that are going to come through for you. You need baddardish type players. We don't have it. And the draft, to your point, it has to have it through the draft. All this other stuff is just secondary. These six first rounders, that's going to determine how long this takes. You're not going to make a trade and get a top five forward

centerman in the NHL. Hey, we're just looking for a franchise number one center who's like, you know, 18 to 23. Yeah, and we'll give you a 36 year old goalie. Sorry. Like, so, so yeah, my face is a little bit indifferent. I was hoping that Markstrom had come to the flames and said, just get me the F out of here.

Here's five teams. You figure it out. To me, it doesn't come across that way, and then you deal with things as they are. Okay, well, it's Jersey, or maybe there was one other team, and that's why they got as much as they did.

Maybe they were going to get less. Maybe that's the salary retention part. But I lost my train of thought. And I'll throw this out there, and it's just, again, it's just fodder for conversation. The point I was going to get to, that I kind of lost, I guess.

When you're following a team or you're a fan of a team, maybe you overvalue your guys. How much is it out there that if you're a team and you're negotiating to get Jacob Markstrom and you're trying to undersell him? So this guy's 36 years old. Two years ago, he had a save percentage under 900. What if they were trading last year's Markstrom this year?

Can't do it. Couldn't do it. And that's why you had to do it this summer. It was that you couldn't risk another author. year where he's 885, a horrible D in front of him. It had to happen. Exactly. You couldn't.

It's more about going through this process than saying like, shit, you should have got another 10% on the deal. So we're going to hold them until this year and it turns into a pumpkin. You can't let that happen. You just couldn't. And part of it is too with this trade. We believed it was coming. Well, the draft is next week. So the trade, it has to involve a pick from the draft, which is kind of how the timing works.

Not so much. Not so much. So the devil's keep their 10th overall. So two picks, as you said six. So two this year, two next year, two the year after that. They're back to have three and three next to one of them in Montreal. They got that second, they have a second first rounder after the one they gave up for Monaghan.

So what you want to do is finish bottom 10, have Florida win the cup again, go back to back. And then you happily give away 32 and sit with two picks at the draft next year. Win the cup again. Easy. We'll get Florida and go back to back. Yeah, let's start with this one. I do want to flash this card from Jayfresh on Kevin Ball.

And look, this isn't for everyone. Not everyone loves this, but this is just based on data. Your strength you're going to see is the blue stuff. Defense first, penalty killer, plays against good competition, has played with good teammates. And, you know, there's not a lot of offense here. That's what this card's telling you. He will not play power play. Don't expect them to get points.

I just keep coming back to Good Branson. It's a six foot six, two hundred and thirty pound defense first guy that will be best served to be on a third pair with that skill set. And he'll kill penalties for you and you won't worry about putting them out with a minute left against the other team's top line because they'll be able to eat a puck in the corner for 20 seconds.

Like that's the profile that this card's telling you here. With that in, with that being described to you, how do you feel? Well, again, I don't think it's what you want for Markstrom. It's what you got for Markstrom. It doesn't, we aren't in the meetings. How do I feel disheartened, I guess, but indifferent in it as well,

because I think next year the team's going to struggle and it's the picks that are going to dig them out of it. Kevin Ball is not going to be, I'm hopeful that he's a solid defenseman for the next decade in Calgary. And I honestly feel like it's, and I don't, it sounds like I'm carrying water, I don't think it's a indication that Conroy is doing a poor job. I think it's an indication of what was there. It's a goalie who held all the cards. Yeah. You help all the cards.

And was willing to whine about it. Yeah. And you got it, whatever it is, whatever it is, it's a first round pick and you got a guy who is, he's an NHL defenseman. And you need an HL defenseman. So you got a guy that's going to play every night and a first round pick for a guy that wanted out and gave you. you know wiggle room as far as where to go.

But yeah, which we think might be the case. And what we won't know, which is interesting, you'd love to fire the truth serum somewhere. What was the deal that fell apart in February? It was essentially this? Hmm. And look, oh, it would have been the 20-24 pick. Right.

But if Markstrom goes there, he was lights out for the month after that fell apart. It's a pick in the 20s. It's not 10. You know, we can't hop in the time machine, but I am curious if you'd put these two deals, next to each other how similar how different they'd be. Because we never really got any confirmation. We'd asked Dreger. We was asked Sarah Valley.

No one will go on the record about what they thought was included in that deal. Some think it's Holtz. Some think it's the first. Some think it's both. Some think it's neither. Not that we are probably going to care a whole lot. I don't think Flame fans are really going to care. But I guess I am partially curious to see what Markstrom does for New Jersey.

You think it's just an automatic that he's a very good goal tenter. He's going to go in there and be very good. These things don't always fall into place just like they should. It's a different team, coach, style, conference. the whole thing. I feel like it's a very nice upgrade for them. But I wonder to what extent. I don't think they missed the playoffs again.

But I wonder how it works out for them. They were the fifth highest odds to win the cup before the start of the year. Yeah. And I think people forget that. They had beaten a very good New York team that has all the pieces they have this year in round one after falling into a two-oh hole.

They were favorites to win the Metropolitan Division in some sports books. This is a team that got horseshit goaltending and got thinned out on the blue line, I think they put themselves in that class with Carolina and New Jersey and the Rangers in that division. They say, why not us?

If we have, our healthy forward group can probably hang with all the others, if not better with what you saw from Jack Hughes. And if we have Dougie Hamilton back, and now we finally have someone to stop Pucks, here we go. Dougie Hamilton and a goalie,

that team's going to be good. And he doesn't have to be Vezna goalie. Like if he's in the top 20 in goaltending, the from where they were to that is massive. They probably had like 30th, 31st or 32nd rated goaltending in the NHL this year. And Akirish Mead had that nice debut in the playoffs when they turned that series around against the Rangers.

And like, it's the guy. It's the guy. We got him. It's like, no, it wasn't the guy. And you're using, you know, Nico Dawes and him looking for anyone to give you saves. And they both looked like guys that need time in the American League still. And the Wolf era is officially on in Calgary.

It's kind of the buried lead. when you look at next year's roster, isn't it? We've spent more time talking about a third pair of defensemen and a guy playing in another market. Like, there's going to be a lot of Dustin Wolf opportunity next year. On what we, and on what we project to be, probably a team that's going to give up a lot of chances

and may not be very good. Yeah. I mean, they've played Miramanov with Uyghur. They've played Rasmus to not a lot of success with Shillington. I don't know that either of those guys are superb defensively. ball is a good defender. We saw the car.

Like, that's the one thing you does well is suppress chances at his own end. What else do they add to that group? Because I do think you have to add a defenseman, even if you're not trying to be good or you're, this is the issue I have. Sorry for jumping in on you, but it's what you're just about to say, even if you're not trying to be good.

I think there's still going to be a little bit too good. They were close to a top five pick this year, like a matter of points. And they only deleted that pair like with 30% of the season left. I think they're a long way from I think they're trying to not be as bad as I hope they are I guess I'll say that I think they are too but I think they're a little out too

How does that so you think they're not weird They think they're probably Can go add they're trying to be better than I hope They are bad I don't think top five's that are reaching if you go get a D That's my still not really sure what that is I got it right I think okay let me try again I think Conroy and Manage

are trying to thread a needle where they're actually okay but still get a top five pick is really what I've yeah let's make the playoffs we get the first overall fit that doesn't work yeah yeah

they might try to be good and spend some money that's not well spent and still be top five pick anyway that's kind of what I feel like's gonna happen like Chandler Stevenson doesn't come in and this team makes the playoffs I'm sorry like you go sign a defenseman for four years

that's you're not a playout team but that's where And I guess that's the question I have and thoughts in my head. It's like, then don't do any of it. Like, because even if it gets, if Chandler Stevenson and this defenseman get you eight more points. Yeah. Your pick goes from fourth to seventh or something.

What the fuck for? Yeah. Pardon my French. Like, what for? Because you think you're going to get more seats in the stands? Maybe that, but maybe also that you don't absolutely throw Dustin Wolf on the trashy with the type of hockey he has to play behind. I guess.

And that's the one thing I worry about is that you got a young goal tender that you don't want to be left. When you look at the roster, there's actually a lot of very good defensive players. There's just no game breakers offensively, right? Like, Weger, very good player for the results, defending. Balls added to that group. You already have the back in line with Coleman.

Nazan Codry is a good 200-foot player. I don't worry about, like, this team losing 8-6, but if you want to make Wolf's life a little easier, go get a stay-at-home D-Man that can play 20 minutes tonight. Kevin Ball. Another one. Kevin Ball. Caspers, you got about 24, 25 million now, by the way.

Don't even care about it. I get that it's there. I just don't know why it's a topic for us. Well, what it tells you is you've got the ability to do a lot of things, with it. Take a bad contract or overpay for two years of tutelage for one of your kids to watch our veteran does it. It's probably the first time since we started doing talk shows together that the flames haven't been bumping right up against the cap. Not yet. You know, it's been, they've been that team for so long. It's a different, because even when they were

missing the playoffs, they were still right at the cap. Yep. They've never gone to the cap the whole time most teams do in this league like it's it we haven't seen them with tons of cap space and i think because when they do there's a lot of pressure to get there sooner and gms spend it so you know that'll make ownership happy well okay we're we're bad but we're not spending all that money now so we're we're some lose 15 million and ticket or the owners and the man's like well we've got 20 million to spend boy we could really upgrade this squad think of the danger danger the possible Well, speaking of free agency coming up July 1st, the daily face-off live free agency special, you'll find on the daily face-off YouTube channel, Tyler Yuremchuk, Frank Sarah Valley, former

NHLers Carter Hutton, Colby Cohen, and guests from across the league will break down all the trades, the impact on the teams involved, and predict the future of what the free agents will bring to their new team. The inside scoop and all the wheeling and dealing, it's going to be from 9 a.m., you see there at the Eastern time, 9 a.m. until noon mountain time. It's the Daily Faceoff Live Free Agency special on the Daily Face Off YouTube channel. I know I'll be watching

because we're not doing the show. I'll be streaming that. We're not. Totally. No, I don't think we're going to do it. Well, we've just got to laid out about how active we really want the doesn't mean they're listening,

but how active we expect they're going to be. Yeah, and again, like I think we're being rational that look, there's a clear path to contend. It's going to take a while and it needs to be through the draft. We also would be foolish to not look at the club's history. They have not taken the patient built through the draft approach. They've always tried to take shortcuts in free agency. So I also wouldn't be surprised if they did have a couple guys, right?

Yeah, I'm curious because it feels like we're a little uncharted here. Whereas they're not a cap team. It's new management. We've not really seen. We saw, I guess, I mean, Kipersoff and again, Lund, Bowmeister, that one stretch there. This has been a offloading of talent. Craig Conroy, was it a year ago? When did he get hired?

Yeah. The trades that he has done, what he's had, what he's been in charge and have done in the last calendar year, I can't imagine many GMs have done that ever in their first year, let alone in a calendar year. But I do wonder if, if they're all kind of on board and on the same page when it comes to free agency, which doesn't mean you can't go well,

you can go well, July 1, to get the guy you want but is it the like you say a depth defenseman or a defender three years three million per two and a half per whatever it is as opposed to blowing your brains out for for a guy like uh well not throw anybody James yeah yeah and to be fair like they've been tied to Jake de brusk this is silly season with rumors he's a free agent he's 27 he's made four million bucks like if they went five years times six million, 30 million bucks to to Jake Debrusk, you'd be like, well, he's not a bad player and that might be what he's worth, but like what are we doing here?

It would look like the traps that they stepped into for the last decade and a half, wouldn't it? That's 100% the issue. Because the deal can be actually a decent deal. You can get a decent player and it just puts you in a spot to not get the players that we just said you need to get. The franchise sentiment at the top of the draft. I think they're done? As far as... I think they are done.

It feels like there's a manjapani deal to be made at some point, but that doesn't feel like it's... I think it's a year off because there's no sense trading them because you have all that cap space and you're going to get nothing in return. Let them play. If you see a guy on the board late in the second round that you're absolutely wild is still there, and you could eat half a manjapani and get that pick, sure. But otherwise, yeah, I don't see urgency there.

Yeah, that takes the other team really wanting, and Japanie and not seeing that second pick round pick as well. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. And look, that might not be very likely, but maybe Bradger Liven's sitting there saying, like, I could, I could use this guy on my third line. We've got a lot of money in our top two lines. And I gave this guy 5.80 year because I do believe he can go get 25. I think I put him with the right player.

You could do it again here. Now I get him at half price. It's the last year. Cap hits low. Like, there's, you could talk yourself into it. team saying, we'll do it. But I agree. I don't think it's hot.

Yeah. That could happen at the deadline and you just pay less, right, in terms of the salary. If there's one thing they add in free agency, would it be a veteran goalie to buy a little buffer for Vlidar? I'm a little worried about the Vlodar situation, given the significance of the surgery and that the time frame is like, yeah, he'll be ready, right about training camp. Is that, I would hate to see Dustin Wolf with no insurance policy to start the year. yeah I don't not for the team's sake and winning but yeah

if the guy needs to breathe or he shouldn't have to go out again the second half of a back to back tip thing right without knowing that our details right it's if he's going to be good to go then I don't know I think last year this time there was the thought that you can't lose some of waivers what if he turns into this great goal now no one's going to claim he's coming off injury

and he's had three years of men numbers right yeah so it's like go get another vet million bucks come on down Cam Talbot what's the I'm trying to think back to my career and just Rasmus Anderson, Mackenzie Weger, Backland, Coleman. What's the mindset now? Like, you're sitting near, like, Cadre is notorious for not working out.

Well, is he got to be like, what's his mindset right now watching this? Markstrom just left. So this is a, we're aft. Like, they probably saw the right. it's Anderson. Because like if you want to move like Coleman, you're just going to. All these guys and their mindsets for the summer as far as.

Okay. Because you play and you play and it's a business and you play because you love the game. But you play because you want to effing win. Mm-hmm. And both Weeger and Coleman have been kind of, they've been on record or whatever we want to call it. They've been interviewed and have talked about it. Yeah, this kind of this sucks.

And for Coleman. it's like you got you're getting paid you're getting very fairly compensated what you're doing but you did sign here you pick you pick calgary and you came here i'm guessing you didn't think you'd be in the summer of 24 looking at the team and the roster the way it is and for mackenzie weger you signed the long-term contract you too are going to make a lot of money you're very well compensated but you probably it would absolutely it would suck as you watch all these guys grab their bag and head out the door and no studs come in.

There's no, this guy, this, he's a franchise player. This guy, maybe not there yet. A couple years, three years down the road, this guy's a stud. There's none of that either. So you're selling leadership. That's all you're selling. Because if you've got a term, like,

they just can't move you. Rasmus is a totally different situation entirely because he can force a team's hand. He can get out and they can get a haul for him so it can be worth the flames a while to trade him. He's a free agent after in two years. So he'll be 30 on his next deal. It's the type of guy you'd want to have two years ago,

say, yeah, we're going to lock him up, keep him around. But if in two years you're last in the NHL and this guy's 30 and wants market rate for a defenseman, I don't see a fit there. And why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't he want market? He's going to want market rate for sure. And so, and he's making so much less money than he's worth. What is it, four and a half or something hilarious?

Like, teams would take him right now. and that that's a ticket that's much more valuable than the Markstrom one because he's 27 he's on an undermarket deal and he doesn't have this crazy trade protection that Markstrom had he's got a 16 no trade so that's a 23 team we can do it or a 25 team we can do it right like that's a huge chip that they hold they don't have to play it anytime soon they don't have the depth to just have a decor with him gone right now yeah but it's it's a card that Connie can play and I'd expect him to play the next year and a half. And he feels like a guy to me. And I still am a fan. But he feels like he's been a little up and down. It feels like an emotional guy to me. He's better when the team's good, right?

When the games matter more, he's invested more. These are my, that's where the whole point of it was was like, what are these guys motivations during the off season? And it's not, I'm not even belittling. It's, it's just hard going into a season knowing you're like, Oh, God. Like, we're going to get our heads bashed in. This is going to be 82 of let's try to hang on and not get, yeah.

And so last year, you had two of those guys have excellent years. Like, you could argue career years in, in Uighur and Qadry. Now, they would have come in with the expectation. We're still going to be good. They were in a playoff hunt until February. Yeah, until Feb. The guy that didn't deal well with it all was Rasmus. I think he had one of his worst years in a while.

And it could be anyone this summer could say I'm dejected. I'm not into it. But I would worry more about Rasmus than the other two if you're catching what I'm putting down here. Yeah. Yeah. No, I do. I see it the same way. Four and a half.

And this is another one of those things too. I, we can be negative and have our, here's what I don't think the flames. I think they'll flirt for a playoff spot. I think their playoff team, maybe this is the first time in a while where really the roster construction. I think as we sit here,

this is not a playoff team. No. This is not close to being a playoff team. There's no, are they better this year than last year or long gone? Is Anderson the piece that they can move to get what we've discussed? I think if there's one thing left to move, it's probably that guy. And I know we continue to stipulate, well, we can't. We don't want to be that bad.

It's Wolf and the D's already weak. But if I'm just thinking like Trillivings sitting in Toronto going, God, damn it, I need a gentleman. Rasmus and at four and a half is heaven. It's heaven and earth on a platter for Trilliving. It's anything, right? Like, is that not exactly what Triliving would be? A number of teams that would love to have.

That's my point. Yeah. But what are you getting in return? That's where you get the bidding war. And that's where you win it. And I get that you can push it out. Do it now. I'm just working this out in my head.

It's the same scenario as Markstrom. What the F upside is there to letting Anderson, if it's possible, I'm not saying he does, but if it is possible that he's got a shitty attitude about it, not playing as well, and potentially getting hurt. He's healthy. He's healthy right now.

If you get the deal of you like, I think you absolutely should do it. You should be shopping him right now is what I'm trying to get at. Before I think about it and take that money, you got all that cap space, you talk about it. You can sign defensemen that can play decently defense or decent. How did I say it, dude?

Defense and decently. Yeah. Yeah. Defense decently. Nailed it. And just. get a what do you need to hang on to Anderson for I think you trade them right now now my whole opinion's changed and it was right in my own head look at that you talked yourself into it

I would do it and is there's no I don't know what the upside on keeping them around is and he's such and maybe again we're homers and we're overvaluing what we have but I just look at it in Toronto always pops in my head they need a defenseman you go put him with rasmus anderson Rasmus Anderson is a 23-minute defenseman loves to compete and makes four and a half and eat half of it for him if that help like yeah yeah it's it's especially the contract that makes him very attractive because he's a very solid player okay on our team he's a three okay we could use him as a two whatever it is like sure but at four and a half you know like Nikita Zadora is going to make a lot more money than him this year.

That's insane. Like, Nikisadarov can't do the top pair thing, right? Like, this is a guy that can go to contenders and you, who can't squeeze in a four and a half million dollar two, three? That's what he is. That's exactly.

And you love having those types of guys around that do compete and want to win and playing in games that matter. You've got your examples already. Because I think maybe McKenzie, weaker is movable. I don't know, but I'm just saying, you have,

Backland is not going anywhere. I think Cadre is a tough move. I think Huberto is a tough move. I think Coleman's tough. Like, you have enough veteran guys to set that standard already. Right?

He was one who struggled with it last year. You have to be, yeah, you have to be professional. Have you play hard and set a standard of, of what's acceptable for the younger guys coming through.

You don't need 15 of them like Rasmus Anderson doesn't need it's just another piece I don't know I'm I didn't even think about him until you said his name today Pender but the more I do I'd be like get him the hell out of here hey

because you're married is a 10th pick yeah yeah a 6 team no trade and you're right we might be out to lunch again right maybe your team I would do a second round pick second round pick. And then you're back in that,

well, we'll just keep them and play them. We're not going to trade them now for that. But you're right. It would feel like, and I think we're like take all the flame honk out of it. I think. Yes,

I agree with everything that Pinder said there. And that's very rare. I think you could play. The contract is a good one. You should be able to fit that in if you're a team, regardless of where you are on your competitive, you know, And he is the type of guy you want to play big minutes.

Penalty kill has, you know, is he a power play guy? Probably not if you're a really good team. He wasn't, that's debatable. We debated it a long time, maybe though. But you love, yeah, he would. 50 point season a couple years ago. Plays it hard. Plays a lot.

I don't think we're off on him. I don't either. And I don't think we were off on Markey. It feels more and more like hands were tied when you see. Hands are tied there. That's just it. And that's why this scenario was even more appealing because it's like, yeah,

give me your six. I know what they are. So maybe you do go sign that middle pair defenseman to a veteran guy to the three year at a little more money than everyone else offering him on a two year just to get some more bodies there. And then we can now go to market with Rasmus Anderson. Whoever loses out on the D market or geez, we really wanted to resigns that Orov and Cole.

But shit, look at this at four and a half. He's a much better player than both these guys. Like, no, okay. we'll make another. Like there's, yeah. Yeah. Checkers, you know, chest not checkers. Not building the team with what you have today,

but what you anticipate it being over the next year to two years. We'll get to the Pinder report here. Just seeing another trade has taken place today. Tide Delandria of the Dallas Stars has been traded to San Jose for a fourth rounder in 2025. Depth Center, high, a highly, touted guy, I believe, early second rounder or late first rounder, but I think it was a first word of jane to pop. And to be fair, it's a pretty deep forward

group, he'll get a lot of opportunity in San Jose. Yeah. And with stankoven kind of busting right through less room for him. It looks like he's got the profile of sort of that shut down bottom six center. We'll see if there's offense there in San Jose.

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Obviously, the news of the day. he's off to do the New Jersey Devils. If you just missed it, it's a 2025 first round pick of the Devils going to Calgary, as well as Kevin Ball, who is now at his third team after being drafted by the coyotes traded in the Taylor Hall deal to New Jersey and now coming to Calgary in the marks from swap. The answer was Ball. The answer was Ball. He, a former second round pick, he's six foot six to 30. He's strong defensively.

He maybe not that physical, but large body. Flames Retaining what sounds like about $2 million of the $6 million deal. That gets Markstrom down to four. That's a guy that's going to get Vestavotes for $4 million for the next two years for Jersey.

Very nice. That's the deal. Dustin Wolf, get ready to dance, baby. It's hard not to be underwhelmed. We really told ourselves you're going to have 9 and 10. It would have been so fun.

We're doing it. the stage? We go back down. Do we, what do we, we're back to, do we? Conroy, you better wear comfy shoes because you're going to be going to be going up to that. It's just going to be unbelievable. Both jerseys up now? What do we who do we want to pick first?

2025. I'll probably be dead by that. 10% protected. My heart can't make it another year. McDavid was doing McDavid things last night, guys. Somebody told me Corey Perry was back and then I watched the highlight and I said, no, that's a backdoor tablet.

from the greatest player we'll see in our lives. Yeah. Keep your stick on the ice. And you too could score 25 to 30 with this gentleman. Somebody grabbed the shot of the other angle where there's four red jerseys, the perfect box and McDavid in the middle of it. It's like, this turn. This is an oiler goal.

Yeah. And Corey Perry's back with that still. Poor Mikala. I mean, what did, what did Mikala ever do to you? Oh, boy. Hey? Yeah. Who's the other donkey out there?

Come on, Kulikov. They're all donkeys. Oh, man. That is true. And he's got ahead of steam. I don't care how many all. He wasn't even going fast,

which is what I think threw some of them off. They're like, like, when's he going to wind it up? When's he winding it up? Yeah. He'll get him. He's got him.

I'll get him. Nope. You get him. I thought you were going to get him. This is going to be on highly. Nobody got him. Bob was ready for him. That's when he slid it over to the ancient.

Big goal for the Oilers. They win last night in dramatic fashion. Did we see the Sam Bennett nearly tied the game? Whiff? Whiff? Side of the net? Yeah. Miley woke the neighbor's dog with that one.

That was close. And Oilers are feeling good. But if somehow that gets into the single-goats-out-offertime, that's two, three-goal leads you blew in a single game. They don't win. There it is, baby. What's that, right? they don't win if it goes to overtime.

Maybe McDavid could. I think the Panthers were coming on strong. Also, the refs were out. You know what? That's what I was saying. All night. The refs were out to get the Panthers last night. Missed that too many men, didn't they? God damn, right. They did. Bastards.

It was too many for a while. Yeah. It was an egregious mistake. Even when Kachuk's slopping his stick and the ref looks over, it was still too many. Still? Still six. But, you know, you missed a flipping the

the puck out of play on the Panthers earlier in the series. Over seven games, both teams are going to get shitty officiating. It's an NHL standard. They were out to stay. The NHL was sticking it to the Panthers last night. Friggin' Batman. Friggin' Nitchie. What else do we have from last night, Jacko?

Oh, yeah, look at this from Kachuk. Our boy, that looks so like he was not going to catch up. And then it looked like the greatest play that could save the game. I like, remember that play. That's when the Panthers won the Cup because they're going to come back and score. but then the net, which looked like it was going off the morning's didn't. And Oliver Ekman Larson hit the snooze button and it was just an empty net shot for McDavid seconds later. Yeah, we'll talk about that after.

I think he should have kept skating. I think he made that he was that that that looked like a bad slide in the second for me. I do. Good results, but I, yeah, one more stride maybe. One more stride, Red. I think he could have skated to get the puck. Honestly, when he, for watching. live when I saw him, I'm like,

what are you diving for? That was the second one too, Matiasi and Mark nearly. Well, yeah, I had. I thought like that was going to be a Patrick Stefan moment. Because to your point, Red, if you tie that thing and it's going to overtime and you've come back from down three twice, it could have been like that, that was the series, right?

That emptying that post. Didn't happen. I don't want to drag this out, but I'm not impressed with Verhege and Reinhart. They're watching. Reinhard was shit. they're watching the game. Get her going, boys.

He was watching that Bouchard shot on the power play. That's for sure. While they're watching it all over, they're not shooting it right into the odd time. Right into the crest. Right into the crest. And they're not moving their feet. The Panthers started, again, it's score.

I get it. But the Panthers did start to drive the play. And the only two that couldn't keep up to help drive the play were Verhege and Reinhart because they weren't skating. They're watching everyone else. do work and hoping somebody got him the puck and that it just came to him on a tea and it's like get effing involved there fellows like move your feet or your desperation o meter has uh definitely been in orange and blue not red and yellow so anyway my hot takes if that's not i would have

this for hours if we didn't have a marks from church we're all in agreement there i was barking at ryanhart it's like 57 in the regular season that's tremendous do you want to give a shit right now you know the thing's in the building you want to have more thing over your head how about some give a shit here maybe hard to hard that that's got to be why for some of those guys you would think and i would think for paul maurice it's like this is now twice we've had a chance yeah do you want how how just how bad do you want it because they clearly know they they they want this bad can we meet that desperation can we meet that intensity and if not why not because that's been our calling card. The

athletic updated their odds for the series after the game. This is Dom Lechishin's model, which is very good. It's now 73-27. Sure don't feel like that, though, does it? Well, you've got David playing the way he's playing and the Oilers believing. It sucks compared to where you were a week ago.

I saw people writing last night that the Oilers lead this series two to three. They're the driver seat. They are, absolutely outfield. They are up in this series, two games to three. The Kachuk, we got a nice little meme here, fellas. Someone did some good twittering.

Despite all my rage, I'm still just around the cage. Chuck who couldn't get it off, it's moorings. Push it off, Chuck. Chuck, what are you doing? It's good song, eh? It's great. Angry, screaming. You sing that song, Dean?

Smashing Pockets. Thank you very much. Bill Zito, he was cool, calm, and collected. He knows there's two more chances to win this thing. There is in the red tie standing up. Get my cell phone. And first I'll just fire this one. Yeah, not happy.

Got some NHL business done yesterday. Philip Pironik got a massive extension with the Vancouver Canucks. He's the partner of Quinn Hughes. Ain't great without Quinn Hughes, but don't worry. Quinn, he was going to be there for a while and those two have been

very good together. Eight years, 58 million, 7.25. Monster piece of work. He was an RFA a year away from UFA. Why couldn't my D-partner be good?

And I could just, come on. Who would have been somebody? He's a power play guy. Yeah, who would have been somebody in your day, Red? Who would have been that?

It would be Brian Campbell? Come on now. Even that elite defenseman. Brian Campbell couldn't even play in the league until they changed the rules. he was but yeah I don't think

they just never gave me a chance they never did no Dion maybe should I played with Dionne with that out it's hard to play with you didn't actually coach yeah also Jacob Slavin got a deal one of the best defensive

I said out of boy jick out of boy jick I expect to come in at eight times six and a half it's not officially done but that does sound like that's close to done. He isn't kicking in this new deal until after the coming season. He's one year away. And they, I officially can't announce this until July 1. That's when you can extend guys. So he'll be 31 to 38 for the eight year deal. Six and a harsh. Not bad. But that's a low number. And six and a half in eight years is going to feel like four in a

court as right now. The cap continues to grow. He might feel like half a quart if he's, it'll be a few courts low. He might just. Pack it in with LTIR or the few to go. Yeah. New draft rankings came out. Craig Button's final list. We love Craig. Craig's not afraid to be a little spicy.

Look at three pieces. Craig, how could you do this? For those that aren't watching. He has Teesaginlat, three. Celebrity one. Yeah. Demadov, too.

Sure. Again, let's, come on, Craig. Not even like to seven or eight where you could believe for a bit. Lids from a night. Litzermanite. I like that's, wow. That'd be okay.

I'd been happy. Tools and physical center, 6, 3, 250 already. Western Ken tools. Messing that tiger. They'll be fun next year. Interesting list. Okay.

Sadly, the baseball world, more in the passing of a legend yesterday. A heck of a life. Believe into his 90s. Willie Mays. One of the greatest. The only player in Major League history batted over 300 for his career.

Stole 300 bases, hit 300 home runs and yeah, 3,000 hits. So you say you're good, huh? So what do you do well? So what are you good at though? What's your calling card? What are the areas you need to work on?

It's a hell of a career. Home runs, stolen bases, all-star selections, 20 plus, 10 gold gloves, four home runs in a game, multiple MVP's, rookie of the year. No one in LV history has accomplished more of three of the seven

feats we just listed there. Oh. Willie Mays. Hell of a player. Do you see Snoop Dogg was doing some commentary on the Brewers broadcast the other day? I did, yeah. It was beautiful. It was.

He was a bouncing ball to second. Look at Terrain. Pick it. Easy to 1-2-1-2. That'll do what it do. Sanchez on the on the one to what I told you get it in there I mean that's that she has I told you baby you come out of the easy walking apart that's the base hit give him a single he does like to mingle and my favorite jingle is the S to the end double oh no no oh get it in there get it in there he could just run it out run it out run it out run it out

it's tough to to rhyme orange yeah how about Jackson Churio. Cheerio. Oh, boy. Here he'll. Live in stereo with my main man, Jackson, Cheerio. Oh, he's taking off. He's gone.

He's going. Let him get there. Let him get there. Let him go, Perk. Where to go, Perk. You got to earn mine, Park. You got to earn mine. You're getting mine.

Rains you through the roof. He's making up for that plane. Any local market. Just beautiful stuff. Snoop's got a gift. He's a special guy. And he was at the post. Tawami Casino Hotel that night.

It's pimping some sort of a concert, but got to call a game with the brew crew broadcasting. Cool. Spicy P. Remember him? No. Yeah, you do. How do you like, let's see what a basketball player is going to make, $189.5 million on a four-year deal.

Oevee. Razor and I. And McDavid's like, maybe I could get up to 15 and raise the bar. We're talking about it. here. $189 million. He's not even a superstar. He's just good.

Razor and I were talking about our pension plan and how we were going to manage to get by when this came out. Right. NBA is doing okay. Do you think the legal

ever pay for insurance? That's really expensive, I have to say. $189 million self-insured. It's by speaking by the country he was born in now. Maybe he'll pay for my insurance. Honestly.

Hang out. Start building bridges, Rhett. That guy's got some cash. I wonder if he likes Dunebuggin because I saw you and Rob Ray were out Dunebugging the other day. Yeah,

after practice. Dunebugging. That feels like an optical illusion, right? Well done. Love the hill climb. Now, the camera is tilted because you can see the guy standing, but still.

It's not unsteep. You said, you want to get out of the house yesterday, Dean? This is the sort of stuff. Yeah. When the shoveler gets out of those, we know she loves going to Toronto to shop. She's got to run the boys around,

but her activity of choice, I forget what this is called, but it's like toy horse show jumping. I will have to watch. This is her in the latest competition. It was the cow horse. Whoa. What's this called and how long has she been doing it?

This is a crazy sport. She's working at this a long time. It's the trotter. What's the horse's name? Do you remember the name? Rusty. Rusty got some hops. I didn't see that one coming.

Rusty. That is something. Yeah. Well, and I think she got into the, to the, you know, the fake horse show jumping when the saddleboarding thing went sideways, because we remember the orcas with the paddleboard? Oh, yeah. She couldn't do it again.

She was scared. Okay, dude. Pure terror. Yeah. See later. Anyway, I think the toy horse jumping things is a little better for the psyche. I like to think I'd have more composure

in that moment. You would have zero. I'm not sure I would. No, jean. Holy fuck. You'd be like, I hope they hate the tasted shit because it's all over the battleport now. Oh, fuck.

You think you're just being, having a great day, had a coffee. You're going to go for a. nature. We're out whale watching. Look how great that is. They're getting, they're getting very close. Oh my. Oh my God. I would, it wouldn't worry about self-control because the heart would just stop and I'd walk over and they'd eat me. I shit myself. I'd be shocked if you didn't. Of course you did. But you know, we love endings where people don't get hurt. So that wasn't that bad.

Well, unlike this. Oh, where that's, uh, he landed it, but, squared it up. That's going to be a heck of a bruise for a long time. Remember the Gumby toys you'd get? And you'd bend them and twist them and they'd start to get the crack right up the middle. And you're like, oh, Gumby, that's. Yeah.

Again, stupid. I think we had to fight in some high school hockey, something like that. Let's take a peek at this, Rhett. No, they've been tossed, but that's, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Oh, my God, it's more in there. Let's go. Oh, my God.

Oh, shit. Oh, my God. Wow. Is that Jerk of Sweetland Rett? Getting that kid out of there? This is a jerk. That's a tough spot. That's no good for anyone there.

Skates, blip-flops, parents, teenagers. Yeah, that's a tough spot. No winners. You'd be in there and then your kid gets grabbed and then one of some dad grabs your kid. I mean, then the wires touch and you're. Yeah, you're going in there trying to do let's call it down.

Hey, stop, stop. Then some other dad tosses your kid and you're like, oh, now you have to take one. Hi, Peter Klein. It's Burma. I know that this baby isn't your area of expertise, but I get one phone call and you're the best. guy that I could think of. Yeah, sorry, Dean. I'm just on the other line with Rhett. I've already heard about it all. I don't have time to do.

Brett, why would you call? You knew I was calling him. What are you doing? God damn it, Red. Yeah, Red my, um, got into a bit of a pickle. Um, uh, are you nearby? Uh, and finally, there's, you can see every, there's some flip flops, some sandals. And guys, tromp around on skate. There's an Achilles just waiting to get sliced. Oh, boy. Oh, yeah, just begging. Nothing good.

No. Yeah. I have to fess up. It was pretty dinged up on Monday. I tried to play injured here. It's a tough weekend. I told you I was planning to go to the surge game and then how to golf with some of the buddies of the thing.

But it actually caught a chief flight to Germany to go watch England play because I'm a huge England supporter, obviously. And I mean, I got this video to share. It's tough. day. Okay, just walk it out. It's 4 o'clock morning. I'm shivered in. It's out in the stadium, fellas. Got the shakes. Woke up at 4 a.m. in an empty stadium.

I saw this the other day. Is this made up or whatever? But then you get sneaking, if it's, because there'd be staff and security, they'd get this guy out unless he's so blind. he'd be like, we're not moving this guy. He's gonna wake up and walk out. This guy's 200 whatever pounds. I'm not, we're,

we're gonna haul him down all these stairs. No, leave the drunk idiot. He'll wake up and then get him out. Well done, Pinder. Big weekend. Anyway, starting to feel better. Yeah, Monday was your thing, right? It was kind of everything.

Sideways. Yeah. But at least I understand people around you were understanding. Always are. Yeah. those people in your life, very sympathetic to your issues. I deserve sympathy.

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Village Honda is your one-stop automotive destination in Calgary. VillageHonda.com. Yeah, I just, just some things I said we were going to look at here, Oliver Rickman Larson, it was like, you know, when you're playing video games

and your controller dies? Yeah, tough. It looked like OEL kind of had the, the dead controller. So Cichuk is busting his balls, makes this play now 91 on your screen. Do you care to give a shit at all?

I mean, no, I'm just, just keep looping. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just, it's like the ref. Ref didn't, what, ref didn't tell you that the puck wasn't in. Hey, keep playing. Oof. I, you got to think he thinks that net's flying off. There's no other way to explain that.

But do you, do you go dead controller that quick? You're just like, there's, like, that's a 200. He might not see the puck even, you know what I mean? Like, he's just like, plays over. Like, that's, but yeah, it's a horrible. did. McDavid saw it. No question. And you talked.

Yeah. And of course. And it was one of those games where whenever something happened, it's McDavid. Whenever there was a turnover, a puck gets dropped, Florida's on a rush, puck gets poked away by a defender, every single,

97, 97, 97, not anybody else. He was unbelievable. last night. He really was. So he's the best. Yeah. And look, you can spin it both ways. You're like, that guy won't be denied.

You can easily win two in a row. And the other is, that's the best player we'll ever watch in our lives, taking over a game. And they still nearly blew a pair of three-go-leads. I mean, whatever feels better. Tell yourself. Yeah, whatever helps you sleep. Yeah.

Like, there it is. That's what he's been up to. Eight points of two games. This series is over if this guy's nicked up. Simple. And again, it's, you don't want to jinx anything, but it's, you talk about Reinhardt. Drysidal has been very quiet. He's not right clearly.

And, and McDavid is, and it's weird because is he carrying them? Yeah. But it's not like the usual story where there's nobody else. They're managing. Yeah. They got a, they got a superstar blue liner all of a sudden with the Carlson type profile. They're getting some saves. Uh, their, their depth has been good, if not.

not wowing. Yeah. I put up the, I have the one in there, Jack of the, the, the Panthers chances. I was just thinking,

if you could recreate history, right, this is a tight hockey game in the third period. And, and Florida is down. They're at home, chasing their first ever

Stanley Cup on home ice. All the family is there. What a party it would be. Did I put it in there, Jackie boy? If not, I'll fire it. I don't see it, boom.

I'll throw it in because some, some guy got traded right when I was cutting the, that happened today, didn't, cutting video. Well, maybe I was like literally right in it here. Well,

you did get mad at Pender for saying, let's go. So maybe you didn't finish it. Well, yeah. Anyway, I guess I didn't put that together. I was just,

uh, you have the Yanmark thing, goes off the post and misses the, the last sweep at it. And then you get the play by Kachuk. If they come back and score and win it in overtime, it'd be like this is the most unbelievable. Can you believe how close we were to losing this game?

It would have been an unbelievable story. Patrick Stephan, right? That didn't happen. And, you know, they went back the other way. Scoring chances 8-1 in the third period. I don't think we even need to tell you which team had 8. Yeah. And listen, still have to win two games.

My kid was very, was very, sour last night. Like yeah, this has been, it's great. They're going to a game set. They still need to win two. There's no, there's no room for air here. The next S burger that Skinner goes in could end their season. But again, if you want to show some urgency, Florida, you know what's on the line.

I think they did learn that last night. I think they realized, oh, we have to go get this. Yeah. I do too. All Maurice was not making Oprah jokes last night. He was a little, uh, frustrated. Yeah, he was and. Rightfully so. I thought the same thing, right?

I don't know why it's interesting you brought that up because you can't help but put yourself into their mindset. The first game in Edmonton, holy crap, we can sweep. Well, you know what? Who sweeps in the final anyway? Let's go home and win it. And then you get home and all your family's there. Everybody's flown in. It's a, the party has started before the game.

right the party's on all everybody's here when when what do we get the cup when's the parade like it would not be saying that but that would be the vibe and then again you kind of stub your toll you wonder if if the third time's kind of the charm where that finally the message gets in to your head these guys aren't just going to lay down we're going to have to play some some meaningful hockey here if we're going to win this thing now if that happens in game six or seven I'm not not sure. Last 40 minutes last night, scoring chances 20 to 7. I think he got the memo, it was just a little late.

Yeah. Because Maurice did, he said, he liked a lot about their game. Once they got going, he was very happy with them. You just started down 4-1 at one point, right? Yeah. That passed by Montour on the power play. Holy Dina. Watch, sorry, sorry for my language.

That's it all down there. What is he thinking? Oh, just all the Dinas out there. Dinah want you blow Dinah want you blow Dinah want to blow my horn. Isn't that the song? I'm not sure how that's our one.

Someone's in the kitchen with Dinah. Someone's in the kitchen with Dinah. Someone's in the kitchen I know. Someone's in the kitchen with Dinah strumming on the old banjo. Great clips tomorrow. I'm not sure if I'm here tomorrow. Okay.

I've been working on these. Friday is not, it's Hawaiian shirt day. I know. A bad day for me. I've been trying to get some of these interviews lined up and it's, it seems like every Thursday's a good day for a number of people. Well, and then the other thing is for me, I was fully, I may have jumped the gun on some of my plans thinking,

oh yeah, it'll be over. So there's nothing going to be what's Friday. Yeah. Just before we move, Barclay Goodrow has been claimed off waivers by the sharks, which was kind of speculated. Jacks. There's a lot of money,

a lot of term, and a lot of help done from Mike Greer to the New York Rangers of that one. Yeah. Old teammates. Right? Interesting. Favor for now, for favor for later?

That's a huge help to a Blue Shirts Club that, uh, collusion? Is that a, you're saying? Don't know the word. No. An optical collusion?

Feels like that was like the first thing that came into your mind, though, was that picking up this guy that's got a lot of time left. Feels rather greasy. Does Conroy have anybody? So anybody want to do Conroy, solid? A giddler, but they work together for them. Yeah. Unfortunately.

Yeah. So tomorrow, great clips inbox. If you have a question of thought, maybe you're, are you, are you heartbroken? that Markstrom's gone. Are you having a, are you having a hard time dealing with this oiler stuff that we're dealing with? These people. You can email the show and we'll get into it. The email address is great clips inbox at flamesnation.ca.

And we will do that tomorrow. Someone will do that tomorrow. It might be me. I don't know. I'm waiting to hear back. Because it's on the day. One has maybe moved to Friday, but one can do tomorrow morning. But it's, you know, it's the.

these people that you that are worthy of being interviewed high maintenance can be some high maintenance folks yeah yeah yeah yeah so what are your plans on Friday I have to drive to Detroit tonight after this Detroit and then I got to get back or I got to book a London last minute flight to fly to Calgary so a lot options but I might have to drive to Detroit Detroit to Toronto, Toronto to Calgary. How long is Detroit to Toronto? Three. Or Hamilton.

Hamilton's an option. Hammer. Windsor? That's three hour flight. Windsor's right there. Come on. You can go to Windsor. You got to go to Windsor. No, drive. Yeah. That's what I mean. If you're flying, if you can somehow get Windsor to Cali, that'd be, who. I don't know if they fly to Cal. They used to, but Windsor.

Time ago. So you don't, you don't know if you're coming to Calgary or you are. You just don't know how or when? I don't know. Oh. Any of it. I might even drive. Good. Yeah.

There's a lot there to unpack. Jesus. Did you get those tires figured out and, uh, no, I got to go do that right now. Get a oil change. Get some. Talk to Merch. Yeah. Yeah.

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Let's take a look, fellas. We got the Red Sox and Blue Jays. this Brian Bello or Brian Spelton properly, not Jack's fault, his mom probably. For of his last five starts, five Ks or more. We're going to take the over for minus 105, and we're going to take the Swiss to beat the Scots. That minus 105 at a 1 p.m. kickoff,

which is kind of up quick. You love the Swiss. Good at chocolate, good at banks, good at trains, good at skiing, watches, good at one. watches. Army knives? hosting the Spengler Cup. Bad at making food affordable. Go to the game

and Spengar Cup. Beer and a hot dog. $58. Are you getting right loaded? Am I? Yeah. No, we got to record a little DOD today and then we have more kid baseball tonight. This rain has wreaked havoc on the playoff schedule.

It's the weather, is it? We showed you that windshell clip from, yeah. It was a balmy 10 degrees with spitting rain last night instead. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think we've done a lot today.

We move mountains. Yeah. I need to take a day because it's today. Yeah. We've done a lot. Panthers are just still winning really, right? 70% chance. How much?

73. Okay. I just wrap that up. Get that done. I did pick the other guys, though. Yeah, but you can share your mouth. Okay. Oh, fair enough.

We'll see you tomorrow. Bodies.