Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Live From Las Vegas For The 2024 NHL Draft (Day 1) | FN Barn Burner - June 26th, 2024

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

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Welcome to our coverage of the 2024 NHL draft. It is Barnburner. It is swelteringly hot. It is Circa Stadium Swim. Jack, I am home. They have found me. I am in my rightful place. I know where I want.

My ashes scattered. What an incredible setup we've got for the next few days. As we are live in Las Vegas, the host of the 2024 draft of the Calvary Flames will select second and ninth. Incredibly busy show we've got lined up. Ryan Pike's going to join us from Calgary at the end of the show as we talk all things. Calgary Flames just, what, 48 hours and change away for them selecting potentially 9th and 28th in round number one if they don't go ahead and add more. Also, Frank Saravalli going to join us in a matter of minutes to talk about an incredible amount of NHL gossip.

There are people from the NHL all around Las Vegas. We got in yesterday. It's buzzing gossip, rumors, wild speculation and really just a whole lot of uncertainty once you get beyond. Maclin Celebrini at number one. That's just the draft. Never mind, what's going on with Mitch Marner and the Toronto Maple Leafs? Does he start the season there? Utah feels like the biggest wild card out of the 32 team league right now is they've got money to spend an owner that wants to win in a brand new market.

Not to mention some other incredible storylines like Stephen Stamcoast, not having a deal with the Tampa Bay lighting. Is he headed to market? Where is Jake Gensel going? And of course, Reinhart, Montour, DeFoli, Marches a Domi, Bertuzi, Tannibs, and Oro of Lindholm. Oh, Jackal, we got a ton to cover today. This is going to be absolutely nails. But I need the update. You can see behind me, we have like a two-story, like, heaven, massive sportsbook,

odds on one side, games everywhere, Euro, Copa, America, baseball odds behind us here. What's, paint us the picture from Calgary. Are you at home in the basement? Are you back at the studios in Mardellup? I am at home. Absolute shit show around the house here as we gear up for a wedding. I'm in the guest bedroom, tons of luggage around me. I'm closed scattered everywhere. So just a shit show here in Calgary. Weather's not too bad, a little bit cloudy, but not as hot as it is in Vegas. Oh, boy. Yeah, we got a little update for you from Vegas. This was just about 10 minutes before we jumped on air here.

If you're looking at what the afternoon and Vegas holds in store for us hot, turning into hotter. And it gets even hotter where it's going to stay at even hotter before getting back to hot. And yeah, it's, we're sweating in the shade here. I literally ran to the shower and just soaked the mullet through the hat back on, put the shirt back on. It is quite something. But everyone's hanging out in a pool. Drinks going to be cold when we're done the show. And I tell you what, there's not a lot of places that'd rather be right now, Jackie.

We got this dialed in pretty good. So. I'm jealous. The next barn burner vacation better be back in Vegas. I don't think that's a bad idea. Like no one's ever been like, yeah, I've been to Vegas once. I'm good. It's like, no, there's so much to do.

You can never really do it all. And there's always something crazy happening here. So I'm kind of with you. If we do the Barnburner Nation vacation, Vegas this year's got to be right up there. I think they've been talk about the schedule dropping in the next week or so. And if we get that going on, that will allow us to dive into some other schedules.

When does NFL go? Do we have some other events? We can be tied into two games, one weekend, flight hotels, join us. It was an absolute banger at Mullet Arena back in January. And I know that original crop of what, 28 guys or whatever it was, there could be a lot of renewal from that crew. So I'm kind of with you.

There's also always music and stuff going on, Jack. You've been getting photos. People think they're spotting me in the wild here. I don't want to make this about me, but I do have to just sort of tamper down some of these rumors. There are pictures floating around. This is not me, Jack. Okay.

Now, there may be music festivals going on in Vegas, but, God, that does look like me. And there was a couple hours of yesterday. I don't really, well, I'm pretty sure that's not me. That's where I'll leave that one as, yeah, it's always going on in Vegas, Jack. We hit the felt last night, a very, very productive night for Team Nations Network. So that's the update here from Vegas. We're awaiting our NHL insider. We also have our Betway bets of the day.

We will get Ryan Pike in here to discuss the job that Craig Conroy's done, but fascinated about where we're at with Frank Zara Valley's thoughts on the goalie market. We haven't talked with him since the Markstrom trade, never mind the, I guess, subsequent Linus Olmark deal. And I think it sort of was a bit of pause for Flan's fans and say, hang on, okay, New Jersey's talking about 10, we didn't get that. There's Holtz. That didn't happen either.

what the hell's going on here? And then you see the return for Linus Allmark, who won the Vezna Trophy two years ago. And I think maybe Flames fans are thinking, you know what? Maybe that wasn't as one side of the trade as it looked at first glance. Maybe that's just what the market is for NHL net minors. And never mind guys that are 34 years old, Jacob Marchant, of course, is that heading into his first season with the New Jersey Devils. In terms of scheduling, here's what we can tell you about what's going on here. We ran the mock draft this morning, Jack.

That seemed to have a bit of interest. If you wanted to give a little summary there, what stood out to you when Cam Robinson of elite prospects and Stephen Ellis from Daily Faceoff took turns GMing round one here in a sphere mock draft for this summer? Yeah, I think the thing that stood out, I was in the chat while the mock draft was playing live and a gindler going four.

I don't think anyone really was expecting that. Everyone wants to Gindla here in Calgary. That's what we're all pushing for. But he seems to be going pretty high in these mock drafts. So four to, what was it, Columbus? Or a Columbus. We're a little shocked to see that this morning. I was ready for there to be like this.

Oh my gosh. One more, one, two more. He keeps sliding. Like how long? It just ended really early. It wasn't dramatic at all. I believe our insider Frank Sarvelli is ready, Jack. I don't know if I can't see him on my end.

If you can, let's bring him in. Yeah, let's bring him Frankie. our NHL insider brought to you by horse racing Alberta exciting live standard bread racing every Friday at 215 and Saturday at 1245 at century downs just north of the city on highway to check out the horses.com for more as we bring Frank in on a sweltering Vegas summer day. Frankie, how are you, bud? You got in late last night. You've been traveling like a door-to-door salesman in the last two months.

Are you doing okay? You surviving this? Yeah, I'm good. hey, I'm inside. So I know complaints at all. And great view of across town here of the strip and the Belagio fountain behind me. I have absolutely zero complaints. Yeah.

And I guess the offer was extended. You could come out and sweat with us in the sun. But you've decided to stay in your air condition suite. Look, I'm not built for this weather. I don't know if you are. There's not enough booze or water for me to be out there. So I think I'm perfectly content here working on my trade targets board. Love it.

Yeah. It's an incredibly busy time. I guess just a really quick thought. You were back and forth covering that final. One for the ages. I know there was a lot of angst in Calgary given the rivalry with the Oilers. But if you strip away all that, just a classic that I don't think anyone's going to forget any time soon. You've got to put it amongst your best finals you've seen in your life, I'm guessing.

Yeah, it's the best final I've seen in my life. I think that was number 15. for me. Wow. It's, I don't, like I said this on the morning of game seven and I don't, it's not hyperbole. Like, I don't know that I'll ever cover a more consequential NHL game. So much on the line. Yeah. Or a comeback that they were looking at. And the reason I said NHL and qualified it is is because there's, you know, probably some pretty good Olympic battles to come between the U.S. and Canada. Yeah, I am excited about that. We got about six months to get geared up for those. So we won't waste any time on that there. I know you're busy. You're talking trade targets. So why don't

we start there? I feel like Mitch Marner's the big name, but boy, it just feels like the tip of the iceberg is all of a sudden there's a lot of cap space for teams. Now, it doesn't mean people have room, but I expect a lot of maneuvering between now and July 1, which is just Monday. Your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, look, it's been a little bit quiet to start. I mean, I know we had a couple things that happened the last few days, more on the minor end. Everyone that I've talked to this morning to this point upwards of half the league already. They said it's remarkable to them sort of how quiet it's been. I think a lot of people are focused on some final meetings with the draft

and trying to play out the draft board as much as they can. And that said, there are some really big names on this list. Marty Natchas, you mentioned Mitch Marner. What about Jacob Chikrin in Ottawa? like there's quite a few things quite a few dominoes still to fall that I think when you look at how this week goes we didn't talk buyouts we didn't talk qualifying offers the draft table is crazy there's a lot of a lot of things in the air at this exact period in time so one of the areas that we did get some clarity was in the goaltending market new jersey goes out and get jacob

markstrom next year's first which given where new jersey was in the cup odds and where they are for next year. You'd expect that to be somewhere between pick 20 and 32. They also get Kevin Ball, a 6 foot 6, stay-at-home, defensive first defenseman who's 24 years of age. And then we saw the Lena Solmark deal where the Bruins ate the remaining four years of Eunice Corpusallo's deal, at least 75% of the money of that.

And they also got a pick, but it was late in the 20s. Is that just a reflection of where NHL organizations are at right now with goalies? I feel like everyone was a little let down. Ottawa didn't have to give up number seven, New Jersey didn't have to give up number 10. Is that just what goalies are worth these days? It's kind of what goalies have been worth forever. I mean, teams are not willing to pay high asset acquisition costs. They're not willing to pay for the most part unless you're in a very small circle of top end goalies.

High-end money on salary cap. That's just not how it works. It speaks to the volatility of the position. It speaks to the fickle nature of the position. of the position and also really how readily available these guys are. I mean, we're going to have more goalies available and we do at this exact moment in time than we do spots available in the annual game of goaltending musical chairs. So think about what took place in the last week.

You have Markstrom, you have Omark, you have Kemper, that really only leaves a few teams that are looking to improve their goaltending situation. You've got Toronto. You've got Ottawa obviously fixed theirs. you've got Detroit, you've got maybe Colorado. It's not a very long list, and a couple teams are going to be left holding the bag saying, hey, I have someone here. Look at Minnesota, Philip Gustafson, that they're not really generating a ton of interest on

that I think could be an impact piece on a low acquisition cost relative and also low on your cap hit that you could actually significantly improve your goaltending situation year over year without having to do a ton of crazy heavy lifting. It's funny because like a year ago, we talk about it in Canada, this great drought of net mining. Like, oh, Aidan Hill would be the guy at the Olympics. Now, it's like, oh, Stuart Skinner would be the guy at the Olympics. And maybe those are great goalies. Maybe it's a reflection of just how volatile the position is, how thin it is in Canada.

But it really is a flavor of the month position. You could have the greatest pedigree or be a nobody in it. You get hot for a month. It doesn't really matter. You can be the difference maker for a team. Do you believe Nashville is serious? looking to move UC Soros or is all this name in in trade room or stuff set from the deadline through to this offseason maybe just a bit of leverage or or I guess gamesmanship as they

enter contract negotiations. We haven't really seen someone like Astrov come in without a mentor of sorts and Saros himself spent years of mentoring under René. What do you see Nashville doing? You know, it's funny. I hate how this sounds when I say it, but he's such a straight up guy that I don't know that there's a ton of gamesmanship in Barry Trots to play it that way. I think they're really torn. I think they authentically view UC Soros as the backbone of this team, and he's been that and could be that for their foreseeable future. At the same time, they also know that Ascarov is coming to your point and then throw in the

fact that Soros needs a new contract. What does that next deal look like as the cap gets its first meaningful increase in five years, what we're talking about is a goalie who's potentially somewhere between eight and a half to $10 million a year. Are you willing to pay that type of price for UC Soros as good as he is? I'm not sure that I am as much as I like him and I'm probably less inclined to do so given the fact that they have a scaroff there waiting in the wings. Is it possible to pair a scour off with pick another guy that's on the market this summer, Lauren Braswa, and go into next season that way for a team that isn't probably viewed at league-wide as an authentic Stanley Cup contender.

To me, I'd much rather do that and devote eight to 10% of my cap space to a goalie who's going to be on the other side of 30 soon enough and is, by the way, undersized at that. I'm not slagging Taros. I'm just outlining the situation for you and explaining how difficult of a spot the Preds are in. Yeah. Well, it's just that Chivalta position. talking about a guy that I believe is top six in Vesna voting the last four years.

And it's like, yeah, we'd rather not pay him because who knows? We could get the same production from some nobody's. Maybe Talbot and Ascarov could give you the same. What would you do? You know what? I love what Soros has been, but I feel like if they felt like he was their most important player, he'd be locked up by now or they will lock him up. But it's just goalies, man.

I mean, the smartest data people out there, you know, maybe the Carolinas of the world, like no one puts less of a premium on spending on that position because it's just so volatile. Maybe that's the smart play is just never to buy good years, always bet on bounce backs and chase value. Well, yeah. And if that's the case it's asker of an event, right? Just just hope that you, as you acknowledge that you're not going to spend as much, that you know you're not going to get elite top end goaltending, but that you could get

maybe something reasonably close to it or maybe just league average or best. better that that's enough to be a playoff team and give yourself a shot and devote your core towards better defensemen and better goaltending. You noted you're working on your trade targets board. Marner is obviously a big name. You mentioned Natchez, which has been out there for a while. He needs a contract as an RFA. Chikrin is a guy they went and added and now suddenly there's too many guys that play

his side of the defense and they're moving them again. It kind of feels like the de Brinket thing. I know there's a change in GM, but, man, Ottawa is turning a buck into 75 cents here on some of these trades. What else do you expect to, we'll get traction? Line A clearly is the name we've heard. Zegris doesn't feel like a long-term fit for Pat for Beak. And even John Gibson is a guy that's been rumored for a while,

but maybe just makes too much money to move. Yeah, I mean, I think they're just one of the teams that's in a really interesting spot, Anaheim in terms of what they've got coming, another number three overall pick this year that, you know, all of a sudden it's it's really not going to be very long with the collection of talent that they've gotten to be an impact team in the west it's a couple years away but when they get there they're probably going to be pretty good odds would indicate that's the case um other guys on the trade targets board um by the way i'm i'm also fascinated with this is one of the items that i was just

typing on is how many of the top 10 picks do we see move depending on how that board shakes out like I think when you have the flames at nine, depending on the way the first three picks go, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that the flames try and leverage whatever they can to move up and slide up to, whether it's Columbus at four or whoever's at five, Montreal, to really make things interesting.

It's fascinating because I've been saying, don't trade up. You might get your favorite guy that's not celebrating to you at nine anyway. But the closer we get to this draft, the more I'm of the mind that T. Ginglin will not be there for them at nine if that's who they like. And I look at Utah and Ottawa as teams that are huge wildcards here. They're not necessarily teams that need to use those picks.

They're teams that are trying to, I guess, fast forward their roster into more competitive windows, right? No, I was going to say, I think Anaheim is the biggest wild card. Okay. So let's play it out this way, and this is pure hypothetical. Let's say that Celebrini goes one and Levs sure. Chuneoff goes two. Do the Anaheim Ducks take Demadov at three? And if they don't, does all hell break loose at four? Yeah. I think Demadov could absolutely slide. And I could see Anaheim saying we have a very nice stable of prospects. We'll take the six foot seven smooth skating, mean defense. He seems to fit Pat Burbik's type of team. Does he not?

That's how I see it, which is why I'm saying maybe it's not, and I'm not saying they don't like him. Of course they do and they know him better than anyone. But, maybe it's not Tijiginla that they'd be sticking up to try and get. Yeah, it is fascinating what's going to happen here right after San Jose. The draft starting at two sounds crazy, but I believe we're there. What about Ottawa and Utah? They do feel like teams to me that we don't have a book on because one suddenly is very eager to spend and has all this cap space and the other it's, they thought they'd be good already. I don't know how much patience they have for another kid for two years to blossom into a player,

so to speak, in Ottawa. Yeah, I don't think they have much patience for that. And it might be five years. That's how long it takes. Sure. I think they're in go mode. I think the Buffalo Sabres are. I think the Detroit Red Wings are.

All these teams that for whatever reason have kind of been on the same timeline where the last three years we've been asking the question in September, have they done enough to put themselves in the conversation for the playoffs? The wings falling just short in the east this year on quite literally the first. final day of the season and the Sends being out of it in early November along with the Sabres like there there are really tough decisions to make and you're talking about teams that um have been pretty patient throughout this process that not advocating or saying that it's time to throw caution to the wind it's just you can't then go about rebuilding the rebuild and that's kind of what the

sabers are looking at um if they don't start to ultimately. make progress. When it comes to the Sends, they've got to figure out their defense core. We talked about Chikrin and how they can't pay $24 million to the left side of their defense. Steve Steyos just recently said in the last hour or so that Thomas Shabbat is not in the mix. And then we've got, you know, a number of other, you know, teams out there, Buffalo included Detroit's in the market for a goalie and a defenseman. They've been, I think, in conversation with Anaheim the last couple days about Gibson. There's a lot happening.

What about New Jersey? They said tens in play, and I sort of feel the same way about them as I would about what you said with Ottawa and Detroit. They might have been the biggest disappointment last year because they came in and top five Stanley Cup odds in the fall. Now they've got Markstrom. Is that 10 a big chip to add a final piece in their mind,

be it a defenseman or an impact forward? It's hard to say final piece for a team that didn't make the playoffs. right i mean yeah talking about is a team that has three really good young defensemen in nemitz and hughes and also shamus casey who they got to turn pro they've got some of the best young talented forwards in the game in hughes and brad and heeshire they had an unlucky year with injury with dougie hamilton missing the bulk of it with the torn peck muscle and you would think that all of those things plus now finally for the first time in tom fitzgerald's tenure solving the goaltending situation with markstrom and and allen like there's probably

out of 82 nights they're going to feel really good about whoever is in their net for the bulk of them um there's i don't like they're still trying to do everything though so in some ways I'd say you're right in that it doesn't really necessarily make sense for the current build of their team to hang on to that if they could get an impact piece. But then I'm also looking at it from another perspective of look at the teams that have hit on their first round picks and you say, what could an impact player at 10 do for us three years from now? That might take us in and that player might be the final piece. It's just do you have the patience to get to that point when it matters? Okay, Monday feels like light years away in terms of the things we have to get done.

We've got the draft round one Friday, round two damage you're going to do to your liver between now and then. Well, we'll see. It was a decent start last night. As long as you keep winning on the blackjack tables, they keep bringing your drinks, Frank. I made out like a bandit if you factored into free beverages last night. But Monday's a long way away for GMs. There's a lot of decisions to be made before then. What do you expect to happen with Stamco?

he actually going to get to market? I still have a hard time believing it. I don't think he's been outrageous in his ask. I don't know what it is, but I'm told it's certainly within the realm of possibility. Like, he's not going into this saying, I need to be an $8.5 million player at this point in his career. He's met everything to that franchise. He's been, when you think lightning, he's on their Mount Rushmore. Yeah.

I just don't know how they don't get something done. what I would look at is a guy like Tanner's, you know, as they try and clear out some cap space, he's got his no trade clause that kicks in on Monday. I believe it's a 10-team no trade. That makes all the sense in the world to me, to be considering a guy to potentially move out to create space, just to keep Stampos.

I think you have to find a way to fool. Well, and he's been tied to Calgary, albeit just in rumors, but what are you getting in, you know, because clearly it's not the guy Tampa thought they were trading for where he wouldn't be on the block again. It's a good question. I don't know what he is.

Obviously, he's a big body guy that had one magical season that has really been unable to put it all together and do it in a consistent way since then. I love his story as the Oxbow Ox. I think he's someone that has, you know, potential. But did he find lightning in a bottle one year in Nashville that he's not able to ultimately replicate again? and as the money continues to go up, it's harder and harder, I think, for some guys to deliver

and get back to that same level again. And I think those are fair questions to ask about, you know, and not only that, the lightning gave up so much to get him. Second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth round pick, I think it was. Yeah. It was crazy at the time people's jaws were on the floor that it hasn't worked out. It's a really tough asset management thing to turn around and then flip him now. that ends up being the case.

So Stamco is maybe the biggest name, but is there a bigger market for a guy than Jake Gensel who seems to fit everywhere? Oh, he'd be great Detroit. It'd be great in Vancouver. Oh, the Carolina'd love to have them. I'm sure Trosby'd love to have him back. Is that the biggest market for Gensel right now? I'd say between Gensel and some of the top end defensemen,

like Matt, this is going to surprise you, but Matt Roy coming out of L.A. or, you know, maybe you could make the case for Chandler Stevenson, but I'd say in terms of interest at that level of dollars, it's borderline unmatched when you consider where Gensel is. And you look at his productivity, his consistency. This is a guy that, you know, you can kind of, while he's in the lineup, you can reliably expect him to score at a 40-goal pace.

He's 14th in the league in goals over the last six years. He's 27th in points, 20-something in points per game. I mean, this is a top 30 player right now that you're looking at that changes scenery. Everyone said, oh, he only does it because of Sid. He goes to Carolina and scores well north at a point per game pace. And this is a guy that's also led a postseason in goals and has a Stanley Cup. And by the way, he doesn't have a ton of wear on that tread on his tires because a little bit of a late bloomer not making it to the NHL until 22 or 22. Notable UFAs on the Cup champion Panthers.

This could get interesting. They might be partying right through to July 1, some of these guys. And I suppose that's why you have agents. But could you handicap OEL, Montour, and then the 59 goal man, Sam Reinhardt? Well, they're obviously saying goodbye to a few of these guys. The question is who and how painful is it going to be for Florida?

At the same time, I look at their situation and say what opportunity they have to really strengthen and rebalance that team's cap table and defense corps. Like Reinhart, it's such an interesting case now that they've won. He's been asking a lot. I think they put a significant deal on the table already at eight years times nine and a half million bucks. I think that was out there months ago.

The fact that he didn't sign it, he said all the right things. He's a really smart guy. He wants to be there. Maybe the smartest hockey player I've ever covered. and he seems to want to be there. They seem to want to have him, but I wonder if the calculus changes for both sides now. Instead of moving money on the table,

if you're him because of the no state tax thing, and I know that's not really leaving money on the table. But I wonder, like, what is, do you absolutely want to stay and try and go for a third straight Stanley Cup final? Do you want to go back to back? You want to be competitive for sure. but you've got lots of different options on the table now,

and your name is going to be with those guys forever. And similarly, from a team perspective, I'm sure you watch him score the game winning goal in game seven, and you're like, yeah, I really want to have this guy. But are you willing to commit such an exorbitant part of your salary cap to him, or are you better off trying to get three guys or four guys to fill out the potential, you know, significant pay that you're allotting to one guy? It really depends.

I could see it from any number of angles, and that's not to sound polyanish when I answer it. It's just, I wonder what winning does to that equation. Yeah, it's a fascinating discussion. He's also a guy that struggled mightily, and, you know, if you could place a value on winning versus just the bag, Sam's seen that too. It's fascinating.

He can pick. He can try to get it all, I suppose. We know there's significant interest in Chris Tannav and Adelaide. Dallas reunion? Is it just trying to fit him under the cap? Is that the challenge there? Or is he happy to feel the, I guess, the significant number of suitors July 1? I think he's another one of those guys that's looking for a blend. He certainly doesn't want to be underpaid and is probably not going to be taking the hometown discount. So that said, how do you find a way to marry what your needs are and what the market is willing to bear with a team that has a true chance to win

the Stanley Cup. I just thought he was such a good fit. Yeah. I can't really envision them going out to try and find a better version of Chris Tenev because he brought such a different element to the stars. But at the same time, I think no one's going to be shocked when I say this. I also really wonder about how well a guy like Tanaev ages just given wear and tear on his body in that, you know, we saw in the playoffs, hurt again, battles through it, but wasn't

as effective against the Oilers in the, you know, the bulk of that series because he's obviously playing at 70%. So much of it is to admire, but it's also to his own detriment, right? And so I think he makes sense to stay, but I think more than anything, he's probably going to need a little bit of term, which always gets dangerous at his age. Yeah, that's totally fair. I know even just approaching the trade deadline, Flames fans were cringing as he seemingly every second or third game would head down the tunnel again. And you're like, is this the one that turns the asset to zero?

I can't imagine trying to model in his aging curve with the way he plays. But also knowing that he's different than whatever else they have in Dallas. He played really well when he was healthy and really didn't want to be there. Like he's checking so many boxes for you. But it puts your heart in your throat. When you go to put pen to paper on it, do you like that? Totally. Our cab driver last night really needs some good insight on this one, Frank.

Jonathan Marciussoe, one of the original castoffs of that first year Vegas Golden Knights team. He's a UFA. Can they make room for him or is it about finding his fit elsewhere? Because Vegas has just been ruthless with guys when they think they're teeing off on the back nine. They are trying to do everything that they can to keep him. I think this is one that's probably going to go down to the wire. they're trying to find coins in couch cushions to be able to keep this guy. Chandler Stevenson is as good as gone.

A tough choice for them, but compared to Marcia So, not really as consequential in their eyes. 42-goal season for another guy that's aging really well. And Marcia Soe hits free agency at, you know, how many guys have a career year like that at that age? really impressive stuff and they recognize his value. It's just, and they get close to that he also is one of those guys that doesn't have to be happy. Yeah. Last couple for you,

I know they loved Zadora of in Vancouver, but he absolutely wants to get paid. If it's not Vancouver, he'll be onto his sixth team, which is wild to me, but also speaks to how you can dream on that set of skills that he's got. Is it simply Gensel Domino, falls they go from there because I think they liked them but I think they'd rather if they had to pick

one of the other it's it's given the money to gensel right yeah I think that's their priority and pecking order I think they can have all those things I think they can find a way to have gensel to resign zatteroff to find a deal for tyler meyers and to give whatever's left over to arthur she loves um but in the middle that involves absolutely finding a suitors and take her for Ilya McKeyev. They can't make the math work in that equation without moving him. They've circled back to teams, I think, in the last few days to try. I don't think the Walman situation in that trade helps in place.

But nonetheless, they are a team that is certainly trying to be as aggressive as they have been for the last year. Can they pull it all off? I actually think they can. Interesting. Hey man, thanks for doing this. You've been run through the gauntlet here. I hope you're going to get some sleep. And I also hope that you don't get some sleep so we can catch you up.

And I can see this Floyd Mayweather suite that you've got going on down at the Cosmo. Dude, just stay away from me. I don't need to get sucked into the Pinder vortex tonight. Come on. You left a bunch of the chips on the table not coming out last night, man. I'm telling you. I'm all right with that. This is day 59 on the road since the playoffs.

And I'm going down. I'm going downhill on a scooter with one wheel. I'm just trying to make it to the finish line. All right, buddy. Well, before you go, we just want to tell everyone Monday is Canada Day. We'll be off, but you will not. That'll be the end of the road for you, I hope, in terms of getting on some vacation immediately after your free agency special. I will encourage everyone to jump on nine till noon mountain time to check out yourself, Tyler, Mchuck, and the rest of the crew as you weigh in on all those signings we expect to pour in.

Thanks so much for doing this, buddy. I know it's been a serious hall for you, and I do hope to see you, even if I can't sneak a few beers down your gullet. Yeah, sounds good. We'll find a way to connect, I'm sure. All right, thanks, Frankie. There's Frank Saravalli, our NHL Insider,

brought to you by Horse Racing, Alberta. A reminder you can catch exciting live standard bread racing every Friday at 215 and Saturdays at 1245 at Century Downs. For more information, go to thehorses.com. Okay, boy, a lot there. And again, if Frank sounds busy, and we started talking about all the layers involved with the draft here, we start talking about the incredible number of players that either are seeking trades or teams would like to move, or we just think change of scenery candidates.

We didn't even get into Rutger McGority here, the highly touted Jets prospect that after being selected in the first round and deciding, yeah, maybe I'm not going to go to Winnipeg. I don't know that I agreed with their philosophy in the spring when they, They said, yeah, we'll sign you, but we're not going to guarantee you playing time. There's a lot of irons in the fire on the trade side. Then quickly, you've got the Monday UFA thing. I mean, it is a wild five, six days here for NHL General Managers. I mean, absolute chaos talking to some people that are in upper management around the league.

I mean, it's been, it's a lot. It's a ton going on. It's this compressed amount of time where the finals just ended. So your buyout window, I think probably only opened, what, moral or today, and then it's right into the draft round one and two, and then free agency should be incredibly chaotic. Let's get to our next guest. We do that for our good friends at Outdoor Dental.

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not to mention your partner's sleep next to you. For more information, go to outdoordental.com. Let's bring in our managing editor and head honcho of Flamesnation. com. Ryan Pike. Pike, I know you were watching the Frank hit with great interest there. There's a ton going on. Let's break this down and put it

into the Calgary lens of what Craig Conroy has accomplished to this point, what the next 48, 72 hours look like, and then what you expect to see Monday in free agency. Well, I mean, you know, Craig's probably like a kid in a candy store. I mean, the club has been

dealing with the flat cap as everyone else has been pretty much since like 2019. And this year it's jumping to 88 million and it coincides with the flames getting a lot of fairly big contracts off their books and as results you know as we sit right now if you look at the guys who are basically shoe-ins for the initial roster he's got 24 million bucks to work with and what are the big pieces for him to get done he has to negotiate some kind of a contract with dust and wolf and i can't imagine wolf will be terribly expensive considering he's played 18 games

the NHL, so that's probably not terribly expensive. And then you got to hash something out with Oliver Shillington. And then you basically have at that point, probably what, 19, 20 million, some of that to work with. Yeah, I would think so. They're what, 23 in change right now? They've got almost a full roster. You put Shillington in there.

I feel like that's probably the group of defensemen you move forward with. Maybe there's room for another four, but they are swimming in cap space bike. Yeah. And I think that's, it gives them the ability to a lot of different. things they could be a broker i mean we just you know we saw you know the you just saw san jose get a pretty decent defenseman and jake walman and get a second round pick for their troubles because detroit has other things they want to do with their cap space so i think there's going to be a lot of teams out there that look at a team like calgary as a potential fit for something like that

maybe maybe even not now maybe it's something that they they deal with at the trade deadline because you know if you look at the crystal ball uh you guys have been talking about on the show for a while you know, Sharon Govich, Manjia Pani, and Kuzmenko, all on expiring deals. I don't know if they're all going to be here long term. So you're looking at potentially at least one of those guys being moved by or before the trade deadline. So there's a lot of different things that Conroy could do. And I think, you know, we've talked about, you know, the challenges of for a better term, shoveling out the barn after a contention window closes.

And, you know, Craig has basically had. a lot of messes to clean up since he got into the big chair. And I think now you could take a look at what they have and go, okay, there's a lot of flexibility here that they didn't have before. And especially going into this weekend, you got nine draft picks. You got six first round picks in the next three drafts.

And you have a lot of ability to do things you probably could not have done in a different situation. So I'll friend this two ways. On one hand, I would not have put any money down that, Oliver Shillington and the Calgary Flames would be six days away from free agency and no deal would be in place. And then on the other hand, chatting with Craig last week, which is up on our YouTube page and we tacked on the end of Monday show, it just feels like this is a matter of terms and not if. Oliver Shillington is still expected to get signed.

But boy, Ryan, this is taking way more time than we thought it was going to take. I'll say this. What is Oliver Shillington? And I mean no disrespect to the player, but for a guy that's basically missed two, almost two years of professional hockey, and he looked really good when he came in in January.

And I think we can reasonably surmise that that's, you know, him joining the season in a less than ideal circumstance, mid-season without a full training camp. So that's probably the floor for Oliver Shillington. The floor for Oliver Shillington is he's a pretty good third-parrying defenseman, maybe a decent second-paring guy.

but what do you pay him when he hasn't played in a while? And you're trying to figure out how to project him and you're trying to figure out how he fits in the long term because if you're the Calgary Flames, you don't necessarily want to be signing Oliver Shillington and then doing this dance again. You would love to lock him in at a number, but it's got to be a number that makes sense.

But, you know, talking to folks around the team and around the league, you know, I wouldn't frame anything as contentious. The Flames have a lot of admiration for him as a person and as a player. And I think that showed through the last two, three years in terms of how they've gone about handling a situation. And I would say that that feeling is mutual. I think there's a lot of respect from Shillington's camp in terms of the flames could, would have been well within the rights to be more open with what was going on with him. But they wanted to respect the players privacy. And I think that goes a long way, not just with Schillington, but with players around

the league that might be considering the Calgary Flames. But again, you know, he's he's a unicorn. He's, you know, 20, 27, turning 28. He doesn't have a lot of miles on him because of the minutes that he, or the years that he missed. So he could potentially still have upside that they haven't touched it. But it's just a question of how do you project that? Yeah, I agree. I loved him with Chris Tanna,

but all of a sudden you're talking, that was year one of Darryl Sutter, his first full season. That's a while ago. And I didn't love him with Rasmus Anderson and the role they were put in last year, but there was also a tougher year for Rasmus. And I don't know that he's going to be on a defense.

matchup pair. If you told me Chris Tanna was there, I'd say, oh, he's a second pair of defenseman, Ryan, but given what he's got to work with on his right side, I'm not so sure what he is. And I think that's probably why it's hard to price, because if he's just hard and fast a second pair of guy,

you know what that's worth. And well, if he's just a five, and we can use him on our second power play unit, well, you kind kind of got an idea of ballpark and what that's worth. I think that's probably the gap we're in, isn't it? Yeah, and you know, looking at it from the, his cast perspective, if you're coming to me and say, hey, I know you've gone through like an absolute shit show in your life the last two years, you're probably looking for some stability. One to a one year deal. That probably doesn't really resonate. So I think if I'm him, I'm probably looking for a longer term deal. If I'm the flames, I'm probably looking for a longer term deal too at the right number. And I think, you know, you want to make sure that you're allowing yourself some flexibility. I think the fact that the flames have as much cap space as they do.

helps because they have the ability to roll the dice on him. But I think also, I think listening to what Craig was telling you guys in conversations I've had with Craig over the last year, I don't think they're, if you behave as if you're a kid in a candy store with your cap space, pretty soon you're not going to have any cap space. So I think they're operating, you know, the analytics department, the stats department that Chris Snow built is really dialed into basically everything the club does. I think they have trade value projections for every single.

player in the organization. And I think they have cap projections for every single player in the organization. And I think even if you have $24 million in cap space, you have to act as if you have basically none and operate like that because, you know, if you blow all the cap space in July, guess what? You don't have it in March. And I think that's the mindset that are operating with. Yeah, I certainly think they might try to add some pieces, but there's no way I envision them heading into the season with anything but tons of cap space to still have that flexibility that you spoke of that has been so, I guess, rare in the last decade for the club. Okay, so Friday they have pick number nine.

They have pick number 28. That's right now. They also have six other picks in the first four rounds, two in the first, two in the second, two in the fourth, not to mention two first next year, two first in 2020, even after surrendering one to Montreal in 2025. What are your expectations for Conroy Friday night? his second full draft is general manager of the flames. It certainly isn't, I'm ready for all kinds of surprises and plot twists.

And this guy's not supposed to slide this far. I can't believe this guy's available. I mean, I think it's going to be wild Friday night. Yep. And, you know, hearing Franks, you know, throughout the idea that the flames might entertain trading up, I wouldn't rule anything out with the flames. So with the way this first round looks, you know, if a player falls to you that looks like he's sliding, they have the ability to stand pat and get a good player.

And, you know, the way, even just the way this first round is set up, there's about a dozen to 15 guys sort of in that top ledge. And then there's a drop off and then a bit more of a drop off after about 20, 21. And so if you're the flames, you know, you're thinking, man, you could slide back and gain a pick and still get somebody like, maybe you use that 28th pick and something else to move up into that above the 21 ledge and then get somebody in sort of that second ledge. maybe you can move up a little bit higher. And like I said, they have those UFAs potentially. You know, we, I think, Ramanjipani was on Frank's trade board. So I don't, you know, I be,

I'm going into this weekend going, I don't really know what to expect. And that kind of excites me because I think they have a lot of things they feel comfortable doing if the price is right. The other thing they have is they have a need everywhere. I mean, I think goal is the only spot. I don't expect them to,

to make some serious waves, Pike. I mean, they like Wolf. They've got to give him some time to see what he is. It's also not a great draft for goalies. You might not see what in the first three rounds. But you have great need to find top four defensemen, top pair guys. You have no real dynamic game-changing winger yet.

Maybe Coronado is one. And you certainly don't have a young franchise center. It's a really nice spot to be in at nine because whatever slides is going to be something you need, whether that's a winger. a centerman or a defense. Yeah, I think, you know, this is the type of draft where I don't know if there's sort of a lot of truly elite or quasi-elite level guys outside of the first two or three, but there's a lot of good players that are going to be available.

Like, I mean, just looking at the various mock drafts, there's guys that it'll be available at nine that some guys, some team, some draft records will have in the top five or top six. Like, there's going to be a lot of chaos. And, you know, even at 28, I mean, the flames are probably going to get somebody they really like at 28. There's, you know, we just posted our annual aggregate rankings at the site. And there is probably, I'd say, I don't know, 40, close to 30 players that have gotten first round consideration by multiple major draft rankings, which means if you're the flame sitting at 41, you're going to get somebody that you or someone smart that's not you thinks is a first round caliber talent. and, you know, that's, that's the, A, the beauty of this year's draft and

B, the beauty of having so many picks, you're going to be able to go further down. And, you know, you're probably being pretty happy with guys that you pick, you know, well into the third and fourth rounds. We're going to hear, we'll have, we're sitting there on Saturday, we'll have heard of some of these guys taking the third and fourth rounds because that's how deep this draft class is

in sort of the second and third levels. Do you have a dreamboat of a guy for the flames out there? Is there one? The obvious off the A storyline is Tij Ginla, but he's certainly not the only dynamic player that could be available to them at nine. Is there one where you're like, oh, boy, that certainly would really help turn around this transition

from rebuild into competitive play? One of those defensemen, I know the, I think Stephen Ellis put it really well in his draft rankings, calling Sam Dickinson from London, the quote-unquote safe pick. But Sam Dickinson, like, Sam Dickinson is just really good at everything. And if you're a Flames Club that has, a lot of some stay-at-home guys in your system and some really high-end offensive guys

that might need someone to watch their back a bit defensively. Dickinson can play with anybody because he's really well-rounded. So I think if you can, if you're the flames, you know, you're not going to get left shanoff. You're not going to get, you know, Demadov. I don't, I, I have, I'm nervous about Siliyev just because I don't know where, what his offensive ceiling is. But, you know, if you can get Zane Perak, if you can get, you know, Zim,

boom, if you can get Sam Dickinson, one of those three guys. If, you know, failing, you know, Tija Ginla landing somewhere else, if you get one of those three defensemen, you're probably going to leave that first round going, okay, we filled a knee pretty well. Yeah, I'm with you. And it's funny because we had Stephen Ellis on our mock draft that ran this morning, and it was Sam Dickinson that went to the flames at number nine. And he also said he is considered a safe pick as you know it,

but he said, Evan Bouchard was considered that. pick too and then all of a sudden it took time but when everything clicked there's a hell of a ceiling there like for all the success sam dickinson's had people don't think he's a dynamic thinker of the game yet and that really only speaks to that this might be an incredibly high ceiling selection for the flames if he's available yeah and i'll point out one more guy uh we talked about tisha gindler being potentially a fantastic story uh michael hage from uh the chicago steel uh he's a center uh same same system that produced Matt Coronado. He's one of those guys that he'll,

he's looking like he'll go somewhere in the late teens, like 18, 19, 20. I've seen some lists have him, you know, just after the flames pick. But, you know, if you're the flames and maybe you don't get the guy you really love, maybe you look at a trade back scenario and see if you can slide back a couple picks, gain a second or third rounder and get Michael Hage. Because, you know, big center, dynamic, great personal story.

he's you know he's dealt with a lot of adversity off the ice between injuries and some family tragedies but he's you know you got the character box ticked he got the dynamic play ticked he plays a position of need and he's from a ush shl's team and it's the steel that you know outside of maybe the london nights is probably the best producer of nchl ready talent in north america geez interesting uh can't wait for you to get down here and cover it in greater length pike one final one for you, what do you expect July 1? Are we going to see some significant dollars on a guy for the flames that might stabilize an area of the roster? Are we going to see that quad A around the edges work? Are we going to see Craig Connor? I put the phone on mute and just smile here to hear

and wait for GMs to call to get them to help them out of pickles. I think a little of everything. I think you're probably looking to see if you can, you know, add some center help. I like, I like Connor's area at center and I think long term he might be that. but you probably want to have someone to insulate him a bit potentially and someone to mentor him a bit potentially. I think, you know, I don't know if they're going to add much in the wings at the NHL level, but maybe some guys, like if you look at the depth charts, you know, they're probably losing Ben Jones from the Wranglers to free agency. You probably want to grab some center depth there. You know, they have some young guys in their system.

They want to give some reps to, but I think they also want to provide some insulation. And, you know, at the at the HL level, I mean, you know, you look at the, NHL. Their goalies are a guy who's played 18 NHL games and a guy with a bad hip who just came off major surgery. So you probably want to go out and spend some money on getting a third guy to insulate Fultari, Ignat you a bit, and give him a bit of runway. And so, you know, if you're the flames, I don't think you necessarily need to, you know, burn through your cap space. But I could see them, you know, dropping a good 8 to 10 million bucks here and there just to sort of fill positions of need. And I think they also have the ability to help other teams get creative. I think they could be a

anchor and, you know, they're, they've done a lot of, a lot of very nice work with last a while creating that flexibility. And it's going to be very interesting to see when they exploit it. Great stuff, Pike. Do you appreciate it. When do you get down here? And how much, I guess, suntan lotion can you bring? I, I, I'm hiding in the shade. But at some point, I will have to face the sun. I need help. I need your help. Oh, I'm, uh, I'm going to die out there. It's, uh, I'm always struck at the humidity. And it's like, you know, it's like sitting in a convective. oven, but yeah, I, I'm supposed to land at, I think, 10 a.m. on Thursday, and I, much like Frank's strategy to avoid getting stuck into the Pinder Vortex is being at a completely different hotel.

I, I insulate myself a little bit more. I put an international border between us for a few days, and then I go down. So the, I think the, between how busy will be with the draft and all the stuff we got going on, I think the, your ability to destroy my life and liver diminished, not negated completely, but a little bit diminished. It's about mitigating risk. That's what it is, Pike, and I appreciate you doing that. Thanks so much for joining us here, and I can't wait to get you down here. It is like walking into an oven.

Like, Jack, if you ever like, oh, like the appetizer, like the potatoes are done. Okay, but I'm not done on the barbecue. Okay, just put the oven on low and leave the potatoes it. Like, that's all of Vegas. You walk out and it's like, who, you know, when you open the oven door, there's just that air wafes over you. That's the whole bleeping desert. feels like that. It is sweating in the shade. So Pike, we'll see you soon. Thanks for popping on. I appreciate it. See it around, buddy. Jack, do you have any appetizers in the in the oven heating?

No, I got, I got nothing. That is what we are doing here. We are literally just staying warm for those who will eat us later. Or it feels at least that way. Big thank you to outdoor dental for bringing on Pike today. Again, if you've got any issues with snoring, I don't know if Pike's that guy, he's going to be fine this week because he's all on his own. but you know, you've got a partner. You got to think about them. Check out that Salea Laser Snoring Treatment they do. Outdoor. Dot Dental. I have done it.

Pain free, two 15 minute sessions, significant improvement in my A sleep and more importantly, my wife's sleep. So can't thank Dr. Jay enough and encourage you to go check that out on your own. Jackie, we've pieced together a Pinder report. Do you want to walk through this with me, Amigo? Yeah, let's do it. But before we get into it, we're getting a lot of people in the comments. saying that this is a green screen.

No one believes you're in Vegas. There's no chicks and bikinis. Are we going to have to get you in the pool? That's not a lot of... No, no. Can I get in the pool? Let's do that. We're going to get in the pool here. Okay, ready?

Yeah. We can do it at the end. We can do it at the end. We can do it at the pool. We do at the pool. I'm really hot. I can do it now. I literally just showered the mullet. Yeah, if you want to go first time, go ahead.

I'm just going to do that. We're just going to go waist tight. Here we go. That was lame. How's that? You jerks. What do you think of that? Yeah, we actually are here.

What it is is we're on a balcony above the main level. So these are all like VIP cabanas that look into this screen. You walk down a flight of stairs behind me. And then there's even more pools and it's all the lawn chairs. We got a little more quiet and secluded area up here to broadcast from. But it's pretty cool. I'm like checking Copa America odds while I'm watching your. and there's baseball on

and there's some other decent scenery around here as well too. I do promise you that. It's just they're not walking behind the camera. Would you in your bikini, Jack, walk behind a camera that's shooting on a live on YouTube or would you just take the pass on that? Yeah, I'd probably just get out of the way.

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Okay, we just finished with Pike. Let's get right back to him. We kick off the Pinder Report with what's going on at Flames Nation. As you can see here, a little primer. What have the flames done in the draft? What have they not done? Well, Pike nails it with the headline. The record isn't spotless, but they found a lot of value in the first round of the draft.

We did our draft primer show. That's still up on YouTube. If you haven't checked it out, it's very, very thorough. It's what? 2.220, 20, 20, 2.10? A lot of time setting up the top 15 prospects in the draft. but before all that, really looking at the Flames draft history, organizational needs. They had a three-year period there where they just absolutely crushed drafts out of the park.

You brought in the likes of Cichuk, Fox, Dubay, Shillington, Anderson. Like, it was a really nice run there. You've had other years that are really lean. Mix bag, probably the best way to describe what they've done, but more over at Flamesnation.com.ca with Pike breaking down the first round specifically. As for the draft, here's what we're looking at two days away. A bit of an earlier start. time, as you can see here, 7 Eastern means 4 Pacific,

and then it's an early start out here, 8.30 in the morning on Saturday. No thanks. I'm just going to fly home instead, Jack, if that's okay with you on Saturday. I don't think you need to be there any longer. Do we have any plan for Friday? You know what? We'll have information about that tomorrow. I know we're solidifying them, but you're going to be able to hang with us,

watch with us, and not unlike the outdoor game at Evanton. When was that? November 29? October 29, I think it was. We're going to just hang out. We got, I know Mike Gold going to join us. Kent Wilson going to join us. We'll see if we get a Western League or Cammy.

You'll probably be able to jump on and talk about whether it's Lindstrom or a Ginnla or Berkeley Katten, Carter Yakimchuk, lots of Western leaguers in the top dozen here. So we'll welcome the Whole Flames Nation family in. We might even hear from the grumpy old men as well with Boomer and Rhett after the round one selection. So we'll be doing things Friday, but certainly will be more solidified come tomorrow's show. NHL has been dropping these profiles, Jack. You're going to love this one because it's got a football time. We've heard a lot about Caden Lindstrom.

There he is, the Medicine Hat Tiger, who just physically imposing, incredibly fast, hard hitting, well over a point of game, dynamic playmaker and finisher. Here's the trivia you're going to love. Not only is this guy the top prospect of the 2024, the H.HL. top prospect award winner, but here's a guy that played other sports. And in fact, look at his 40 time, Jack. You would appreciate this as a football guy. What was it, a 9, sorry, a 438 40 meter dash. Like, what are we talking about here?

That's insane. Would have been the 13th best result in last year's NFL combine. That is insane. Love put some, put some skates on that cat and line up someone in the corner. I saw this and I loved it. You know, I like a good high kick. I found my, not my match, but my absolute final boss. There's no way I'm beating them.

Sergei Bobrovsky ripping it up with the cup, Jacko, loves the high kick, and so do I. Drunken camera work, but that's to be expected. We're a couple days into the party here. Look how he gets a big shot. Mind-bending stuff. What? Kick a basketball. Oh my God.

This is my guy. You look like Gumby or what? Kicking double his height. Classic goalie flexibility. Kings and the ducks making a splash. The two greater L.A. teams have tweaked their uniforms. We saw the new logo from the Kings a while back. How about this from the ducks?

I don't know how long Trevor Zegress is going to be there, but that's a vibe from the ducks who go back to that mighty ducks logo with the duck mask and the. cross sticks and a lot of orange there. There's Radco Gudis, noted pugilist and intimidating human. I need a Jack, yeah or nay on the duck's orange new look here. I love these. These are awesome. Kind of with you. Yeah. I don't know that like right now it hits. I know fashion goes in circles. Ray, I love this. If you showed me this 15 years ago, I probably thought it would suck. But right now this seems to work. I like the orange. I love it. What do you think

Brett would think of these. A little too flashy or would he be in on it? He's just like, why are you looking like the Cleveland Browns? Kings, they showed us their new logo. It's kind of a throwback to the Gretsky era with some of the,

just little modern tweaks. I like that. Those are clean and simple, and it's back to the good old days for the Kings, not the cups and the tens, but the Gretzky and the 90s vibes. Need the jack rating. Like him as well, classy.

Okay. Let's move. Soccer, soccer, soccer. We got Euro, but also Copa America. And the Canadians got a huge result yesterday against Peru, whose coach, I think, is a lunatic. They weren't great. It was pretty sloppy, huh? Soccer and rather physical.

But there was Jonathan David when the Canadians needed it. A huge goal. They win one nil. And that puts them in good stead, heading into their final match of group play. They have a very good Chilean club that they will fest in the finale of group play. You win that. They're through. You get a tie you might even get through at Copa America.

In fact, you would get through. That will be a fun one to watch come Saturday. Your group standings show Canada, right behind Argentina. Before we move on here, Ryan, you got a special guest jumping in the stream. Oh, boy. What do we got? Please don't be what I think it is. Okay, I'm loading the video.

Oh, no. out of here what don't you ruin my boondoggle oh it's copa copa i'm pretending for here copa canada one nopa is this what happens when i leave it's not my fucking soccer get it together christ that's 30 seconds of soccer god damn it copa copa copa whoopi hope the one i'll clean it up how's vegas how did the major show up is the major there with you? I, the major is like, I'm surrounded. He hasn't got me yet, but I just, you keep hitting the shower, keep hitting the pool, keep the major at bay. We're sweating in the shade here, man, 42 today it's getting to. Major swass loves it in Vegas in June. He loves it there. Reporting for

duty. How's the roadie? Oh, it's so great. We're in Saskatchewan, so, you know, we're in and out of what is what do we got 5g here it's like 2g 1.5g cell service so it's in and out but uh you know it's uh we're into saskatchew and it's straight and flat so i figured i'd jump on because i can take a nap or join you for a few minutes i'm surprised you picked what you picked but uh hey you know what the book's never closed on anyone everyone can change uh you want to hang with us for a couple fun items here or you might not be able to see the screen myself as long as I can see it but as long as my cell hangs in I'm here we lose you we lose you that's no big deal okay so we showed you the clips from matt tugboat wilkinson earlier this year this guy's an absolute unit now he's a former okotokes dog pitcher signed by cleveland and he is just absolutely mowing guys down in single A this is his 100 strikeout in 16 a single A level innings the one two pitch is swung on and missed by Nevin.

Tugboat. Out of boy. Maddie Tugboat Wilkinson, the former Okotog's dog. Shout out 100 K's and 60 innings. Too good for single 80, you know. That's what they call tidy right there. Some tidy numbers.

You're going to hate this of all the hour that you could have come on. Look at this thing that we found just for you. I don't know if this is a snake or a millipede or is it A.I. This is eight feet of nightmares. Is this the thing from tremors? What do we look at at here? That's appalling. Oh, do not like.

So you've been in this predicament before. That sucks. That looks like something I... Yeah, I left one of those in Brooks about an hour ago. At the Petro. Yeah, well, and there's nothing worse than when you're in the... Doing one of those pit stops. and you're at a TP, but there actually is something worse.

We've got some more stories coming in from Australia. I believe this is Ozzy Brad. What do we got? Name one thing that's worse than wanting out of toilet paper when having a shit. Yeah, nah. Oh, just to spider the size of your hand on the toilet paper roll, Dean. You know what? Maybe we don't need a wipe today.

That is a conundrum. That is a conundrum. Like maybe can I can I bit my rack under this under the sink and maybe just get like some do a bird bath? Because that's not going to work or you do the little turkey trot into the next stall and hope no one's in there to use the toilet paper in there. That's not ideal. No, boy. Last one for you. I think you could probably use this if you got a little pond on the farm where you're headed,

but certainly Rhett when he moves back home for for his vacations. This is, this is an investment. This isn't a toy. This is the floating crocodile head with the motor. Oh, that's just, oh, man. You get some laughs in the prairies, but in Florida, oh, goodness. Who put the O'Henry in the pool?

Yeah, left some O'Henrys all right. That's it. That's your pinned report for today, Dino. It's for our good friends at Village Honda. Right now, the Village Honda demo clear-out event, Village ready to sell. They're 20-24 demo models. You could save hundreds, even thousands of dollars on these vehicles that are like new with extremely low mileage. You're putting on some mileage. What does the rest of this pilgrimage look like back to Manitoba?

Well, we were a little late getting going today. My co-pilot slept in until about 1030. So we were a little late getting on the go. It's just driving. We'll get there when we get there. But it's a nice day for cruising. This is not fair for people. Because I got in near the end of the Sierra Valley hit.

Yeah. What's cooking? What's the vibe in Vegas? Man, there's so much going on. First off, this drop just feels like a crapshoot from two on. There's lots of drama. There's some teams that we expect to make major waves, be at Utah with the cap space and the willingness.

us to spend and want to win. Ottawa, New Jersey and Buffalo don't feel like they need another prospect. They'd rather fast forward things. And then on top of that, you got the Marner, Natchez, Chikrin' Dramad to unfold, and Stamcoast, Gensel, Ryan Hart, Tanov, Marcia, So those guys are still unsigned heading into UFA. I mean, we're talking about trades, draft, and UFA all in the next six days here. This is nuts.

Yeah, and I caught the part with Pike. And I know you guys were talking about chilling. and you and I talked to Craig about it last week. This struck me as something that would have been done by now. Yeah. If it was not to say it won't get done, but I was just curious. I wonder what is holding things up if it's, I wonder if the Shillington camp is wondering what else might be out there for us.

As good as the flames have been and as good as the opportunity seems to be because of plenty of space on that back end. I wonder what the Shillington camp is thinking. to me. I do too. And maybe it's not that they're looking elsewhere, but they just know the closer they get to July 1, the more Craig kind of has to honor their ask more than them come to Craig's ask. I think the leverage, they might only be off by a half million or a million or a year, whatever it is that they're not closed on. But the closer you get to Monday, that probably the more you just have to give the player what he wants, because I wouldn't be surprised if someone else gave

the Shillington camp what they were looking for. There's enough tools in there that, he would be an appealing guy for other organizations to add. I still think it gets done here, but I don't think the flames can drive the bus here, not when you're five days from free agency. Yeah, it's a league that caters to what Shillington is good at. You know, the guy can skate, and maybe there's more offense there,

but if you're a team that is desperate for some good mobility on the back end, maybe you've got some dough that you would throw at this guy come July 1. I don't know. It's a curious one. I think in a lot of ways, the work really now begins for Craig, as challenging as it might have been,

to find good return for all these guys. It's about putting Humpty Dumpty back together again. The selling, for the most part, is kind of done. Now it's about making the most of what you got. And if you can, you know, if you can hit on a few of these, you're not going to hit on all of them. Nobody does.

but that's I mean that's the challenge you can't don't go one for three yeah the like you did with with the Monaghan draft you got to you got to have a little bit better of a batting average I would say than that at least to shorten the painful years or the time it's going to be before you're good again yeah it's no question that you know these things can take a long time there there's one shortcut and that's you got to hit on your draft picks and they've got six in the first three rounds in the first round the next three years, excuse me, if you can find a star or two in there and the whiffs aren't big whiffs, but maybe it's, hey, he's a third liner, not a top liner.

Like that's how you turn this around quickly. It's there isn't going to be a stamcoast showing up in free agency to make them good. It has to be done through the draft here. And two picks in the first round on Friday as it stands now. We'll see if they add, if they move up, if they slide back, if they put number 28 with the second rounder and try to move up into another tier. I'm fascinated to see how it goes on Friday. I wonder too.

I know we talked about this and I think you kind of bristled that. And there's no way to know. But we've seen now another player. It was Cutter Goce and the flames, the flames fans know what it's okay. Well, maybe Matthew Kachuk isn't going to sign long term. And Johnny leaves. Now this McGrady kid. We've seen a fox.

There's a lot, right? Like there's a lot of it. And we talked about it on the show. I think when, when Red was there is do you? Does that enter your thought process at all when you're using one of these top picks? Because you feel like, again, love, there's probably not a worry of him bolting in four or five years, right? This is where he's from. This is very much ingrained in who he is.

Whereas with for some other kids, you just don't know. I just wonder for some of these teams, how much you now have to really think about not just how good is the player. How does he fill out? What does he translate to when he's in his mid-20s? But also, is he going to be with us when he's in his mid to late 20s? I think it's becoming more and more of a concern in a way. It's funny because the Russians are the guys of the bad rep. And I know people have been talking about this online.

This isn't a new idea, but just regurgitating what smarter people than us have been saying, like the Russians all show up. Like, Kaprizov went to Minnesota. You know, like they're all going. They're not difficult. You've got to pay them, but that's everyone. and it's seemingly collegiate Americans are the harder guys to pin down. And that said,

and Mischops coming over too, right? Yeah, earlier than anticipated. That was thought to be like, oh, geez, that might be three years. Well, one year later, he's going to arrive and be an impactful player and the Flyers top two lines. I mean, that's a huge win. If you had been aggressive on Americans,

on Russians when everyone said stay away, I mean, talk about finding a major, major, like, huge market misstep. You've found huge value. Those guys just have this knock that really hasn't been warranted the last four or five years. And Americans have been the opposite. We all, it's a safe guy, North American pick.

And all of a sudden, you know, you named a lot of guys that sort of, they're not afraid to use the leverage they have. I will say this. Draft is hard. Even the best teams look dumb at the draft all the time. And if you start limiting passports in your selections, you're making one of the hardest exercises that pro franchises have to do even harder, right?

That's just the one thing I'd say. And again, Kachuk leaving you isn't the problem. You got a first and two at the time, very dynamic players. You did fine on that. It was Fox and Goddrow and some of these others that really are the you're left with nothing or like we'll throw them in on a five player deal.

the Kachua one, you got three really valuable parts at the time. And yeah, did Huberto turn out to what you thought of it? Absolutely not. But the first round is a first rounder, and McKenzie Wiggers is a top pair of fencedman. It wasn't like the trade was the bad decision. It was more what you did with those assets that you'd love a redo on. Yeah. I mean, you can talk about until you're blue in the face.

I still think if you had your druthers, you'd want, you'd want the guy that you took in the top 10, the elite young. No, for sure you would. Yeah. Who has all those years left. Totally. I don't know how you, you're at the draft floor, and especially with the way it looks like this first round is going to go. You don't really have any predictability.

It's going to be a lot of shifting on the fly, depending on what players go where. Totally. Do we like them? Is it a position? What was the interview process? Oh, do we think he'll be with us in five years? It's too hard to kind of get through, but it's wild.

And I know that pisses warn or off because the whole thing is supposed to be. It's an honor to be in the NHL and you play where you get. And you'd thank, you know, thank the hockey gods that you get to do it. So now to see kids that have basically the express route to an NHL job and then kind of thumb their nose at certain markets and certain certain teams for whatever reason, it burns those guys. And I get it. But it's the world we're in now. These kids have seemingly seem to have a lot of leverage sometimes.

They do. To get where they want to be. And what it really is is they're not. afraid to use that leverage. I think it's always been there, but boy, would you get, would you get read the riot act by the hockey world? And now it's like, you know, we've got agents as a business. I've had an

advisor since I was 14. Like, I'm an independent contractor. I don't view myself as a blue or a blue jacket or a star. I'm a pro hockey player. I'm going to play for lots of different teams. I will say this. I didn't give that a lot of time earlier, but I think it factors

are the tie breaks for sure. If you've got two guys in the same box and one played in the O and the other was at Denver University and that might be a situation they're looking at nine that might break your tie it might be right and it could be unfair to the player because you look at a lot of there's there's a lot of players they'd be very happy to play in Calgary they don't see and they're then to play in New York is not what they are longing for but it's got to be like you say it's got to be a tiebreaker at the very least at this point for some of these markets and

I think Calgary is one of them. So what's up for the rest of the day now? Well, I mean, boy, I'm thirsty, Dean. I got to tell you something about this heat. Some about the heat and something about the wardrobe here and the hiring practices. I'm going to need a few drinks to deliver to me. And I tell you what, we got an absolute whale of a show coming tomorrow as well.

Sounds like we might have taught Button-on director of scouting for the cavalry flames. I know Cammy's in the hood. We might be able to get, depending on her flight. a recap on some of the top Western League talent we'll expect to see go in the top dozen. Also, Noodles is going to join us a little early. We'll pre-record and that'll be a part of the show as well. So the nonstop draft coverage will continue.

Safe travel, Amigo. Let's check in Friday night when the flames have got to the podium. We can overreact and falsely prognosticate the future of this player. Yeah, no promises on my sobriety on a Friday night back home. But we'll see how that goes. Maybe earlier in the day, if you're doing an earlier show, maybe we'll try and we'll see how that goes. But good work down there. It's not easy.

They really give the hardest assignments to the toughest people. And you're the guy for that job. I'm hearing the salt lines, Dean. Just another day, staving off a fatal injury. Last one, we need a country fest update or whatever it is. If you got the ticket secured, you can't not go to this thing. We all be very disappointed. I brought it.

Well, we'll be going. It's just a matter of, do we, do we have the tickets? Okay. Somebody bought tickets and for their staff, but they don't know what staff are taking them and what they're using. So it's not a sold out event, uh, going nitty gritty dirt band and Jodi Messina. Okay. Apparently not sold out for Sunday night. So, uh, by one way or the other, uh, will be there.

So it's not exactly you two at the sphere. That's what I'm hearing. Okay. It's not exactly. Yeah, it's not fish. Not a grateful dead at the friggin' spears. So yeah, we'll be there. And then, yeah, shit, Tuesday.

Hey, we'll be reacting to all of this after it's all. Wild. Yeah. Hey, enjoy a bit of downtime. It's always fun getting back to your roots or visiting, you know, the old family farm, be it your wife's or yours. So enjoy. And definitely hit one of those little motel, restaurant, bar.

VLT meat raffle places that I don't understand. It sounds like fun. I go for a cheeseburger deluxe, which, you know, it's your, your, your, your, your French fries, little gravy, of course it comes to gravy. It's not even, you don't even have to ask for it back. Yeah. So yeah. Crinkle cut fries, that'd be nice.

Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And piled high. Piled high. You never gripe about the portion side. But yeah, we'll have, we'll have some updates for you.

But that's, that's, that's the extent of. but from where I sit today. Thanks for checking in. We'll chat again soon. Thanks, Dino. See, I'm buddies. All right, there's Boomcat. Get to our Betway back to the day.

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Thank you, Betway. Appreciate that. Let's take a look at some draft stuff. First, Jack, feels topical. You were hunting around on Betway and found what? So what we got here is the odds for the third overall pick. And like Frank was saying, one and two seemed to be kind of set in stone. And then three, it's going to get a little weird.

You know what? Two isn't even set in stone, but there's a school of thought that Chicago will go Lev Shunov. It wouldn't be surprising if Demadov goes there, but they already have, as we talked about in the mock draft, a lot of small playmaking talented wingers. So to go get that ready to play defensemen out of Michigan State would make sense for Chicago. What's interesting here is that Selyev is not the highest on many draft boards here. It's more of a fit with Anaheim.

They've got the reigning defensemen of the year last year in the O, the Q&N, the Western League. They are flush with talented defensemen. Do they add Anton Selyev, this six foot seven wrecking ball that skates like the wind out of Russia? that could really round out the D group for what, the next decade potentially. So it's more about fit than talent here with Anaheim at number three. Selyev's your favorite of plus 125.

Lev Shunov still might be available if Demadov goes to Chicago at two. And then you see Demadov at plus 425. Boy, if he starts to slide, Jack, it'll be interesting. I've heard some people that scout for a living for NHL organizations that think he might get into the neighborhood of the flames where you might have to say, look, we weren't thinking about trading up, but if all we have to move up is one or two slots to get arguably the best winger in the draft, really interesting stuff with Demadov,

who played in the Russian Junior League and absolutely torched the thing. He was too good for it. Seneca's a high-rising guy. I don't see him getting up to three, although we did see him getting lots of love in Bob McKenzie's rankings, his final rankings that just came out.

And Caden Lidstrom, it's a big number here at 10 to 1, Jack, for a guy that I think could be the second best center in this class pretty, easily with his size skill we talked about earlier and obviously celebrating going at one. Interesting. Very interesting. What do you think the flames would need

to do to trade up in this draft? Well, it depends how far up you're going, right? And so I would look at teams like Utah at six and Ottawa at seven. Utah could use a guy, but they also could address needs and free agency with the huge one of cap space they have

and turn that number six pick into a other roster player and say, look, we don't, you know, we had two first rounders last year in Nashville in the top dozen. We're not lean on prospects. You did Shimishav as well as the Daniel boot, the two Russian kids that they drafted high last year. I think that pick could be in play. And if you are the flames and you only have to move up three spots, do you have to give number 28 to move up just three spots? Maybe it's a second. Is it a pair of seconds? I don't know. I know Puckpedia, who's kind of taken over from

cap friendly, they've got pick trade valuations based on when picks get moved for each other. There's sort of a value of each pick that, okay, I want to move up three. Well, is it four to one or is it 38 to 36? Here's the pick that would equal that value. There's some fun little levers to pull on that website. But if you only had to move up two or three spots, because I think Ottawa is the same as Utah, they might not need a prospect as much as they need a roster player. Maybe it's Erasmus Anderson to Ottawa and you get, you know, number eight back,

or number seven back and a player, that would be intriguing to me. And that's only two spots higher. I wonder what it would cost. I don't think the flames want to give up 28, but if you start talking about a second or two seconds, who cares if you can get the guy you want in the top nine? Exactly. And they have tons of picks, so. Yeah, eight in the first four rounds.

Let's get to the next one here. This will be the fourth overall pick. Okay, so at four we see Lindstrom all of a sudden is the heavy favorite. And it's funny because Salaev, who we saw as the favorite for number three is at plus 700 to get to four. Like it does speak to that fit with Anaheim versus other teams. Demadov there at plus 275. He might be long gone at two and the slide might continue. Columbus is interesting.

You could go Fantilli, Lindstrom down the middle for a long time. Or you had Demidov that skilled winger into that talented big. group of prospects they've got. This draft is absolutely nuts, man. It really is. I think this will be a ton of fun to watch Transpire on Friday night. Let's go to some Copa America. I got a bet for that tonight. Mexico, Venezuela.

Mexicans have been not exactly a golden generation, but a tough run for them. They're usually the dominant team in Concaf. It has not been that. They've turned over the roster to a younger group. If I can get them a plus money to beat Venezuela, I'm taking it. plus 115, I might have to be in the pool for that one. It is screaming hot here and I'm sweating in the shade. Those are betts of the day for Betway.

And again, scan that QR code and redeem your bonus when you start a new account. You can get up to $200 back if your first bet loses. Man, we're going to have some fun here. One other way we can contribute, want to encourage you all to hit the Great Clips inbox. The email address is Great ClipsInbox at Flamesnation.ca. We'll dive into that tomorrow. Don't be messing around, waiting in line at a barbershop. Get the Ready Next app from Great Clips, and they'll give you the 15-minute warning.

You can look at different locations, see how the queues are going. Your time's valuable. Don't mess around. Go to Great Clips. It's going to be great. And we'll get into some great emails, comments, questions, and maybe even just some nostalgic old comments tomorrow on the program. Should be fun. Noodles.

We're working on a high-profile flames guest. We might have Cammy joining us. She's set to land in Vegas today, I believe. And more and more Flames content is we get another day closer to round one of the 2024 draft. It's the first time the flames had multiple first rounders in a long time. And we'll see if they move up, add another, try to get that second pick higher or slide back and get more assets. Everything's on the table for Craig Conroy and his second draft at the helm of the Calvary Flames as they're general manager. Thanks for being with us. Big shout out to our friends here at Stadium

Swim at the Circle Hotel on Fremont here in downtown Vegas. We're going to have some fun. Hope you've enjoyed it. And again, if you haven't had a chance, dive into a lot of that draft content. We've been churning out the last few weeks. The draft primer went up, I believe, early in the week. Mock draft went this morning. If you haven't checked that out, that's a ton of fun. Get acquainted with these players we're going to be hearing about Friday night. The top dozen has all kinds of intriguing different types of players, and one might be the next face of the Calgary Flames. Thanks for watching.

We'll see you tomorrow, buddies.