Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - LIVE FROM NASHVILLE WITH FRANK SERAVALLI | FN Barn Burner - June 28th, 2023

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

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buddies welcome to Nashville the tower Chrysler studios in our palatial estates here at well we can't say because we start telling people where we are and there's a security issue gonna be fans coming down here and women they want to touch pender's hair remember when the Beatles came to north America for the first time we can't do that all over again we can't do chaos I was saying uh there's there's frank Sierra Valley, who will join us in a moment. So shush. There's Pinder at the end. There's retro, and for the first time, maybe ever, we're in a better spot than you.

We're used to some dank studio and you're in Florida or some, you know, some. Here. He's in Nashville. You're in Saskatoon? Regina. I'm in the tune. I'm in the tune. Ha!

Beautiful of the tune. Yeah, I think we win. We win. You might win. You might win. We'll take the ones where you get at them. As a side note, I decided not to drive back because I was going to save a bunch of time and flying. Yeah.

I saved about six hours. Really? That much. Now, was it Friday? You packed the gear and the kids, got into the vehicle, and you were going to drive for a three-day trek. You made it seven minutes. You turned around and went back home. Seven minutes.

Yeah. Wow. But 14, right? because seven there. That's right. Yeah, that's on me. Sorry. So then was it you and the boys flying or just you?

I got two boys with me. Same as in the car ride. There's two boys with me. So there were three of you involved in that cluster F from two days ago. Yeah. No luggage still. Still no luggage.

Oh, no. Well, what do you need that for? You don't need that shit. You don't need that. So Monday, you go. because we had you on the show, the shoveler driving 160, drops you off at the airport, and how long before you know you're effed?

We were early for drop-off because of the speed and acceleration of the shoveler. So we were a little bit early, probably an hour and a half before the flight we were informed. It was knocked back a couple hours. Okay, well, we're in no rush. That's fine. and then it was another hour and then it was another hour

and then it was three more hours so we did leave on a technically on Monday right it's a lot of hours there that must have been frustrating for you know we were we were saved we were saved I got the card to get into the lounge so I was we were in the lounge so free food sweet sour meatballs rice delicious

absolutely amazing stuff sweet and sour so good well we are here in nashville today is it's a weird set up anything going on today wednesday round one frank sarah valley will join us we're here in the tower kreiser studios i checked in with serge it's so like to foley's gone are you okay serge says hey it's about getting younger got to get younger got to make some tough decisions so he's he and craig are on the same page surge a tower tower kreiser southern alberta's favorite kreiser dodge ram jeep dealer just ask anybody they'll tell you it's their favorite um frank

Sarvelli is our NHL insider. You've been busy just doing show after show. We appreciate you for hanging out. Frank Sarvelli. Offseason Frank. It was playoff, Frank. Now you're offseason Frank. A presentation of Bontan Meat Market.

28 Crowfoot Circle Northwest, bonton meatmarket.com. Greg Keller, treats you, right? It's summertime. If you're not putting quality meat on your grill, what are you doing? The fact that you guys didn't smuggle me any bontan meats across the border is. It's tough. We had meat and gumblings and all kinds of stuff, but they care. They cared more about the beef.

So sorry, Frank. I'm sorry about that. I mean, my priorities are in order, though. Yeah. I mean, look at me. Well, we're in good shape. And we look cool. Once we get that new rink and we have a draft in Calgary,

you know, as long as you can wait that out, we'll have a nice bond time. When's that in 2000 and never? I feel like four or five years. That's not about right. Come on, people. Let's get going here. Yeah, any day now.

Yeah, any day. Not getting any other. So I know you were talking about what you guys did the, did your show. prior to this, but for people that only that didn't watch that or only watching this. I guess let's get into the Tofoli deal from yesterday. It came down.

Ryan and I were getting off a plane and then onto a plane pretty much as it happened. Yeager Sharon Govich. How do you, Rhett, do you like a little Sharonovich in your life? How do you feel? It feels good to me. Why not? I'm all in on the Shering Govich. It's delicious.

Yeah, put a little mayo on there, some mustard. Delicious. There it is. The Frank Cerville. Tilly. Did you break, was that Frank Baum? Did you break that? No, the team announced that. Ah, shit. Tyler Tifoli for Yeager-Sheran-Govic and a third round pick

in tomorrow. Obviously, tomorrow will be round number three if they hang on to that pick. Now, Retro, and I'm not looking to, had you, did you know that there was a man named Yeager Sharon Govich? I did not know there was a man

named Yeran Scher. Actually, yeah. That's the one. Yeah. That guy. Sipsons, swanson. Yeah, slippy, sloppy, yeah. And when I first, when I first saw it, I'm like, what in the F? But I don't know. It sounds like it's not as a left field as maybe I originally thought.

I thought it was Yonov S-Siegenthaler at the beginning. I'm like, there's your D. All right, Anifin's Minutes, let's go. And then I was like, oh, that's not the same guy at all. A lot of letters. Wrong guy. S, vowels. All those people that criticize all the media and the East saying,

oh you guys don't watch anyone past 10 o'clock Yeah these coast bias yeah Yeah you guys had no idea West Coast bias now some of us I'm sorry guys aren't big devils fans I guess Guess not we saw them twice early last year As flame spectators and that was it And they certainly looked better

But you were kind of wondering if the bubble would burst Yeah could they keep it gone And I guess to get back to Sherigovitch He sort of tumbled a bit down the depth chart there last year Is that how you see the drop in numbers from your two to your three That's part of it The team's gotten better And so when everyone was healthy

he was playing a third line role. And also with the production he's had, as you see the new contract, he signed two times 3.1 million bucks. They had to give him a raise. They're trying to get Timo Meyer done. Hopefully today, I'm told that he's somewhere in the eight times

8.2585 range somewhere in that neighborhood. So Timo Meyer is looking at a really expensive next contract. And at least in the short term, the devils feel like they can add in Tyler Toffoli coming off of a career year, get, you know, some of these playmakers that they have, get them some finishers. And it makes sense from their perspective to seize on Tofoli's last year of his deal at a bargain four point, what is it, four and a quarter? Yeah. He's in a great spot. So look, I think Flames fans in general, the reactions seem to be that they were underwhelmed by the return because they're thinking, okay, maybe this is an avenue to get.

in the first round. And in a different scenario, for a different team, it probably would have been an opportunity to get in the first round. But if you're adding a pick in the 25 to 32 range, that's not helping your team for a long time. And I think the flames have been really clear that they want to try and compete next season and getting someone like Sharon Govich so that you can plug into your lineup and have them for a few years, that that's certainly suited them more so than the late first round pick. Were we crazy to think, looking back on it now,

that I think our eyes were big, is that Tofoli, you get a first and what else. And then you see the Taylor Hall trade, and then you see the Kevin Hayes trade, some of the older guys, now granted, I don't think the production is what Tyler Tofoli had,

but a lot of those guys were basically going for free. Kevin Hayes had a career year. So I'm... Sixth rounder, and they're eight and half. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, that's eating. a turd burger. Yeah. So what was your expectation if a to Foley deal was going to get done, say,

before the draft? What was your impression, I guess, of the return player end pick? Honestly, I think it's fine. It's not lighting the world on fire, but they clearly like Sharon Govich and like the fit of him. And the fact that you upgrade your skating, I think is a big one. He's got some speed. Like, that's the one thing that's really stood out to me about the flames. watching them the last few years is they're one of the slower teams in the league. And not only that, they really didn't have any speed on the wings. And now, especially if you think Sharon Govich might be able to play some center for you, you have a versatile piece that you can do some different things with that, I don't know,

look, it's never going to be a perfect situation and scenario. know, the flames for Tofoli hitting the numbers that he did last year, you weren't going to perfectly slot in a guy to replace those numbers. But you're also, teams are probably expecting To Foley to regress closer to his career norms that we've seen over the last dozen years, 10 years, that you have an idea of where he is in the NHL. And he's probably not a consistent 75 point player. And it's one of those things, too, if you, because I had said,

I thought if there was anybody that you would take into the season and maybe trade closer to the deadline, it was to Foley. You roll the dice and then all of a sudden he's a step slower or gets injured and then you end up getting nothing for him or a fifth or sixth round pick or something. Then everyone's going to be sour. Well, why didn't you trade this guy in the off season? It was coming off a career year. That was the time to pounce.

It's always very, it's, you know, it's that Monday morning quarterback hindsight. He also asked out too, right? And Ritz been talking about it. If guys don't want to be around, get rid of them. Don't let this fester. You know the room is something you have to solve. Don't leave a guy in there that wants out. I feel like that was a part of this as well.

Especially for a team that I think was pretty fractured last year. And I don't think he was at all any of the root or the problem. It's just that I think there was a lot of frustration and friction all over that locker room. And part of it was coming from dealing with Darrell. Part of it is I just think you guys heard Nazim Cadre say it. He was on my pod. When are the flames going to make? the playoffs answer when we start playing like a team there clearly was something missing last year and

i kind of like that Craig conroy addressed it right away rip the band-aid off let's get something for tyler to foley and let's begin to move this team forward instead of sitting back and being hijacked and handcuffed by the agents and the player trying to tell you where to send them make the deal get it over with jack can you bring up the sharon govich stats there from from hockey db because i wonder it sounds kind of dumb if you take away the 20 22 23 season and here's a guy that is goes from 16 goals to 24 goals if you're feeling a little bit better about it i think there's a lot it's like well what's the drop why the drop in ice time and responsibility obviously not much there in the way of playoff points or or games to go

from 24 to 13 if he was a 24 goal guy that was 24 coming in, you feel a lot better, I think, if you're probably don't get him in this trade. You may not. Like a guy that went 13 or 1624, like that's. Even though he's still the guy that did it. Exactly. Yeah.

I don't know how you. And so if you want to be upset about the deal, you look at the 13 goals and say, what the hell's going on? He's only going to work on a team that's not contending. You fell down the depth chart. If you want to like this deal, you say, man, he's a year removed from being a rising star in this league. He flies.

He shoots at a ton. I mean, you can pick what you want here depending to fit your emotions, right? the criticism I think that for me or for Flames fans and stuff we've discussed is I don't dislike the trade

and I think when you look at his stats you think it's all right the third round sure and I think Frank is probably because he's not stuck in the mud he's got a better indication or idea of what is truly going on

with the Flames as far as they're going to try and be competitive this year that's where the criticisms can come in is if your opinion was let's completely revamp, then this doesn't suit that mold. That's the difference. And that would be my criticism.

Yeah, I would say here's the thing, though. A lot of people were wondering, are the flames going to be forced into a rebuild, given all of these pieces that are in play? And I think this is the first real indication that we have, not that we suspected anything to the alternative. that's of no interest to them. And we've, that's been their MO for 15, 20 years.

Like, we know that's not the case. But we got confirmation now, the sort of first step in the new tenure and new era of Craig Conroy. So if that's the case, would you expect an all-futures-Hannafin deal, or does that not fit their MO? I think in a perfect world, they'd find some piece to plug into their blue line

if they can. That's easier said than done. And it's probably more of a futures deal. but I just want to let you know I did check in this morning I don't think the flames are anywhere on the Noah Haniff in front right now and in fact

I don't think they have anything front burner after getting the Sharon Govich extension done and that sort of say that can't change echo is what we heard from some other insiders this morning is there is that an issue I mean I keep thinking about this draft class and how rare it is we can only guess at this point but it looks to be at this point a special one

if they miss this opportunity with all these assets, they are going to move it and don't add another first. Is that a failure of sorts? Tell me what they get. And then I'll tell you if it's a fit. First off, I think one thing that people lose sight of is the fact that, especially as Craig Conroy is putting all these different pieces together, that a lot of these trades and transactions are interlocking or moving the pieces around the board

and what you see right now might not be the finished product. That's one part of it. The other part, too, is like, because you're valuing the first round picks the way you say you are, that's a really good indication that other teams that hold those picks are also valuing them pretty similarly. Yep. So there's 11 that have moved by my count. So it's still happening, right? Four of them were in the 2022 trade deadline. And the rest of them, like, we haven't seen a top 10 pick move.

Yeah, I wouldn't see. Yeah. That doesn't surprise me. I think we are going to have some kind of movement. I would think today on the draft board, at least a team like the Montreal Canadiens is certainly considering it. I think they have five different offers and options on the table that they're weighing today. But to your point about the mid to late first round picks,

they're going to move, but they're going to be for significant impact roster players. And could the flames pull off a deal like that for Hadifan? Absolutely. do they value that first round pick the way you do? Or I just, I had a cup of coffee this morning with, with an NHEL executive who said,

it's wild to me how overrated fan bases and media think first round picks are. Yeah. Because once you get past pick number 14, you know, you're dealing with like coin flips. I think 20 to 30 over the last 25, 30 years has been like a 50-50 that you play even just 200 games. never mind be a star.

Yeah. So then are you better off get, this is what teams wrestle with. Are you better off getting a player, even if it's not as good as Hanofin, but someone that you can maybe continue to grow and build versus a coin flip that may or may not even make it to the NHL, let alone in four to five years?

We talk about it off and on the Jacob Trubin in Winnipeg situation. They have to sit on Jacob Truba. He wanted out for a while. They make that trade. Pionk is part of the return that comes back. he's not as good as the player he's replacing but he was a serviceable guy for him has been there yeah in winnipeg they're like no peonk who is that yeah they got first two did they not it was in peonkin first i guess i'm just thinking in terms of of a body coming back yeah

not as good but it's not as though there's no value to it i don't so let's take a look at the hanifin thing and like let's say like so one of the teams that's been connected to them about Hanifin is the Florida Panthers. What happens if you got a package that included Duclair and something to start? Just as a starting point. I don't love the Duclair as a start because you're

essentially replacing one UFA that doesn't want to be here for a guy that may be the same thing in a year. Like I don't feel it's a placeholder for a year. If you have an indication from Declare's agent that he's will, well, Duclair is his own agent actually, that he's willing to resign. Yeah. The magic that he was

able to create with Jonathan Uberto, maybe that same thing exists. All I'm saying is if you're looking to get a piece back, you have to consider the roster situation of the team you're making the deal with. The Florida Panthers, if they get their hands on Hannafin, they don't have a D-Man to send back to you. Yeah. I just wanted to touch on something you mentioned there.

About the flames clearly still wanting to compete that that's, are you, is that Intel or are you basing that off of the return from this to Foley deal? No, that's that's Intel. Like this team is not, first off, I've said it before. When you have Jonathan Euberdo and McKenzie Weger and Nazam Cadry and even just the term remaining on Jacob Markstrom's deal, you're not bottoming out. Right. So as opposed to trying to, you know, to remain sort of in this, oh, we're walking a tightrope. We want some futures.

We want to compete. We want to try and, you know, get better, spend less. It's like, what are you, the Vancouver Canucks? I didn't work well. Trying to do everything at one time. Set your sights on something and go and tackle it. And the flames, it's been, we think this team underachieved last year. We know we need to make some moves with pieces.

And we're going to try and parlay those into getting better. And that's not speculation on my part. That's Intel. But you're at the mercy now, if you're the flames of where some of the, these players want to go because Lindholm, if it gets to that point, and just so everyone's clear, there's a number

of teams that I talked to in the last 24 hours that have called Craig Conroy to inquire about Elias Lindholm and have been told, thanks for calling, duly noted, but I'll contact you if something changes, but our intention is to sign this player. So they haven't engaged

in Trey Tos to my knowledge, to move him, and they're going to be at the mercy of potentially Hanifin or whoever it might be he might say I only want to go to just pulling a name out of the hat to Detroit Red Wings. It's the only place you want to play.

So all that's fine and good except there's something wrong with the room you're going to bring everyone back and stay competitive and it's not worked for you in the past. Well that's the thing. I don't think they're bringing everyone back. You know, well, you got three to four You got rid of Toffoli, who wasn't part of the problem in the room,

from what we can all determine. Was Hanifan part of the problem in the room? I mean, we don't know, but we're speculating here. Yeah, because I'm with you. I think that I'm at the point now. I'll be surprised if a Haniffin thing gets done here today, even though he was kind of the first guy out of the gate to say, I'm not going to resign.

I'm not coming back or signing long term type of a deal. Now, Tofoli's gone, like I said before, I thought maybe if there was a guy that would go to the deadline, it would be him. We're back to where, Rhett, where we were talking about before. How concerned are you, knowing that the room is fractured, to use your word, to bring everybody back and expect a different result, or at the very least, just to have them coexist until you can make the changes that you want to make.

Now, my frustration is, take the, room out of it. I think it's clearly a part of it, but if it's a dangerous game to play, and that's not our job to speculate on how room works, that's fine. To me, it's more the marching orders have remained the same. Can this team

perform better? I guess. I just, to me, it's again, not a game plan. Their game plan fell apart when Gadrow decided to leave, Chuck wanted to leave, and they lost all those, and Monaghan got hurt, and Bennett didn't turn out. That was where

they built something. Now, I feel like you're, again, in certain pieces and trying to move this piece, put this one in, it's fine. And again, you might be competitive and be close enough and maybe get a playoff spot. It doesn't feel like an approach that some of those teams that we watch, like Tampa, Chicago in 2000s, where they put a real game plan and maybe suffer. a little bit to finally get to a point where they were good for a long time. It's tough because this is an owner's MO given to the GM. How many times have I said it? You can only be as good as your owner allows you to be,

meaning the parameters that you're given to operate under. Why do the Vancouver Canucks make the same mistake time after time after time? It's not the four regime changes that they've had. What's the one constant? the owner, yeah. And so I think that has been continually the push from Flames ownership is to compete. And as a fan, the patch job approach might be frustrating. But, you know, another conversation that I had with an NHL executive this morning was like,

why don't people push back on the idea of a rebuild? A full scale, tear it down to the studs rebuild. name one team that's successfully done it. I mean, I believe in fine it. Like has actually pulled the entire thing off and won. You know what? You'd have to get into it.

And every situation would be unique. But the difference between intentionally tearing it down or just you suck for so long. Like the San Jose Char? Well, you look at, but I'm just looking at teams, Chicago was real bad. And then they picked high and picked first overall and got cane and then they started winning.

and Tampa was, they were terrible. And they drafted well and then stampcoce at one. But those were not deliberate. Those were accidental. And then you had Stamco's and Headman and holy shit. Oh my God. We were able to build a team around them. Yeah.

I mean, but that's a thing. Well, we'll see with Arizona down the road because they've done it. Buffalo screwed it up. But again, I think that that was a, anyway, management. The last time the Detroit Red Wings made the playoffs. I don't know if you know, but next year. were they before that? Say that again, Red?

How were they before that? Yeah, they made the last for, what, a quarter of a century. We get it. No, I get your point, Frank, but I think also there's just this fatigue in the market with this short-sighted approach when what... How do you know, hold on? How do you know what short-sighted is? How do you know what Craig Conroy's vision is?

Oh, I'm not talking about Craig. I'm talking about the owner saying, like, it's very important to make the playoffs here. Like, I think of this fan base to be ready for one step back. to take two forward. I don't think the owner is. You know what I mean? I get it. All I'm saying is there is risk in that. Of course there is. Yeah. Because then you could take a step back and never get forward again for six more years. I think that that would like you look at Buffalo, that's a nightmare. The only thing worse I can

think of is being capped out and old and not good. And that's what this team, I feel it was dangerously teetering on here. If you sign Lindholm to an eight year deal and like I just see a lot of guys in their mid-30s making too much money. And if you're not competitive, competitive. That's, that's a, you can't weaponize cap space. You're not picking high. I mean, it's quite a conundrum that they're in here because it's, they really are trying to do two things at once, this be competitive and get younger. Frank, we'll let you get out of here. It's a busy day for you. Anything that you can, what are you hearing? Is there anything you're kind of circling around

here as we are midday in Nashville, just hours away from Rob 1? I'm fascinated by the draft board because, um, look, I mentioned the Montreal Canadians and number five and the different options that they're weighing. I'm fascinated to see where Meachkoff goes. Look, it's one of those situations where I think the jets and all that they have on the table still, the flames have work to do, even though I mentioned. I don't think anything's front burner. The flyers, like they're still in full tear-down mode.

They're going to be moving out pieces, and they really want to get back into the first round with another pick. There's a lot that I think is going to play out over the next seven, six hours here. I said it was last one. The Dubois, three players and a pick for Dubois with the extension. Would Lindholm bring something similar? If you got him signed to that eight-year extension to another team, would you be getting three?

Again, what? Well, you can't actually assign him to the extension is the problem. Right, July 1, I get that. Right. I guess just, but if that's, is that potentially, Linholm has the potential to bring back more than that. Okay. And I would say like, I think, I don't want to say significantly more,

but I think it's the flames, if they get to the point where they're moving him, then they're, they're in for a hall. So I, and just on the surface, Dubois a little bit younger, but a little bit of a higher ceiling with Lindholm? Is that a fair assessment? well depending on who you talk to a lot of teams do think that um that he's someone that has a higher ceiling to get to um poor frank try to do you got a frank bomb for us here trying to be yeah that all means

so exciting um so sorry my my train of thought i'm totally lost dubois lindholm yeah i was saying i wasn't by the package. You know, people were sort of building it up as a hall and, and this is, uh, what's happening. Uh, by the way, uh, confirming Timo Meyer, re-signing with the New Jersey Devils eight years, $70.4 million. So, uh, that's what I was waiting on. Um, so that's eight and change per? Eight times eight point eight. It's red, what's interesting about that deal is it actually changes the structure of the devil's cap because Jack Hughes was, you know, you've got a new. high watermark.

And it's really kind of rare to see players, especially from the outside, come in and then you see Meyer not have any playoff success to then step up and say, okay, Jack Hughes, probably our best player. Oh, wait, we just paid this guy more than you. Also nice when you get Jack Hughes at the number you did. That's probably a part of it too. He's worth more than that on the market today. That was one of those deals.

Tyler, we talked about this on Daily Face Off Live, you know, that situation where we were like, hey, eight times eight for Jack Hughes. why'd they have to do that so early? And then you see why. I got a final one. Sort of less hockey and more about your job with the professional hockey writers association. Obviously a lot of attention,

especially in Alberta on the non-McDavid number one pick for the heart. Someone had a fifth on the ballot. Do you care? Is that bad press for you? Or is it just part of having hundreds of people voting? Look, it's part of having hundreds of people voting. Do I agree with his ballot?

Seth Roarbaugh from the Pittsburgh Tribune Review. No, I don't. Obviously, I voted McDavid. I think it wasn't even close in terms of who the most valuable player in the league is. But I think, oh, I've seen all the calls on social media. Revoke his credentials. Don't give him a ballot. Someone tweeted at him yesterday and said, man, you were a couple days late getting on the sub going to the Titanic.

Too soon for that show. I feel soon. But, yeah. That's where we're at. And look, I think you get into a dangerous position, and we've seen this socially and everywhere else in the world, when you start telling people what to think and how to vote. And that's the exact reason why we do vote is for people to express their differences of opinion.

If we all thought the same, what's the point in voting at all? So do I have an issue with it? Nope. Is there anything coming for Seth in terms of not even, never. something that we would consider. Is the own explanation? I think you should provide one. I think that's the point of being transparent is the opportunity to engage in debate and

discussion. And seems like the perfect time for him to write a column in the trip saying, here's what my thought process was. I had a chance to catch up with him for five minutes yesterday. And I said, hey, what happened? And he can tell his story. But he said, essentially, if the vote was best player in the league or most outstanding player he goes it's it's not even close it's macdavid he said i just feel like with some of the other help

that he has and dry sidle and some other pieces that he's not the most valuable player to his team so he was a very literal letter of the law voter and just like with any text it's how you interpret it and that's how he viewed it and again i didn't agree clearly but at least make your case and make us think who goes at two tonight I think it's Fantilli, but I've got to tell you, their scouts have been absolutely buzzing the last 24 hours about the idea of Mietchkov going at two. It'll be a cool.

Would Pat Verbeek pull a Steve Eisenman and just walk to the podium and essentially flip everyone the bird and do it? It'll be a cool buzz in the building if it happens. No kidding. Right? Were you guys in Montreal last year? No. Tyler and I were sitting there in the first, you know,

right in the risers, and we looked at each other like, the buzz in this building when Shane Wright did not go number one. And in Montreal for the host team having the number one pick, there were audible gasps and booze and it was a pretty awesome place to be. And then the stink eye, which I also appreciate the Shane Wright stink eye down to the hat. Frank Sarvelli, RNHL Insider Daily Faceoff. We'll let you get after it here. Just thumbing out a tweet here.

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I'm not sure. I'll go into that category. All right, buddy, we'll let you go. No, no, get out of here,

fatty. Red doesn't, no, you're good. Ret doesn't like to take it. Thank you, Frank. Red likes to roll.

So, yeah, you know what, for what it's worth, I checked in with Craig this morning as well. And his kind of verbiage to me was he's, he's kind of surprised, I guess, at the lack of traction right now. And he, they're focused on. With Hannafin, you're saying.

Yeah, or just with anything. Okay. They're just focused on making draft picks tonight. That's. Yeah. That's where they're out. Well, and look, you can't dictate what other people are going to offer. That's the thing.

You just hope that it's not, hey, this is a green GM. No one give them a real offer because if that's the case, well, don't hire a green GM or at least, you know, wait a while. It's a tough spot for him. And as we've talked about, I think that there will be agents that'll be trying to squeeze them a little bit. There's going to be GMs thinking, why would I, let's see if we can squeeze them a little bit here. Test them.

The main wrinkle is, and you've talked about it a lot, is how good this draft class is expected to be. Yeah. Could you, do you take a little less, potentially in a package if it gets you a better pick today. Because then down the road, you look back and could you hit a home run today in a deal that's maybe less, but you get that draft pick or a higher pick than what's on the table right now? I don't know.

Yeah. And look, is this organization, given what we just heard from Frank, okay with, let's say they make a trade with Buffalo and a pick in the teens as the principal piece coming back and then some shrapnel that covers the roster for a year or two? like I would love that. If you have two cuts in the teens in this draft, you could have two franchise pillars. You could swing and miss, but does that fit the marching orders that Craig's been given for this roster this year?

Those guys aren't going to help for two years. And see, I'm not to say that Frank's wrong or that he's got bad intel. I just, I don't, my understanding is that he hasn't been given those marching orders, that this is very much of what, this is a turning over of the roster. And we can handle it in a number,

of ways. One is try and get right back to where we are or get some futures. I'm kind of led to believe that there isn't a we must make the playoffs this year mandate despite the guys you still have with contracts. I think Frank could say it. You've got Codry and we're going those guys. But that's, you can't control that right now. Those contracts are bought and paid for. You can try and move them, but they're in. Does that, because you have three guys with those contracts, does that change the and alter the course of your franchise right now? No, I mean, I'm just more talking philosophically where the owner's at. And look, here's the thing.

You might get futures for Hannafin and you've got a bit of present and future with the Tofoli deal. You might get some younger players for Backland and, you know, if Lindholm doesn't sign, that package could be players. We're going to need to see this full body of work for the off season before we can really get a strong sense of what Connie is trying to do here. and maybe one deal is all futures and the other is all roster players.

I don't think it's this binary thing where every deal has to be this type of deal. You know what I mean? Where are you at right now, Retro? Frozen or are you? Are you? Because I don't think the goal does anything.

You are trading him and clearly the market is what it is. To me, it's the Lindholm thing. If you're in on Lindholm, you're in for big money and long term. Yeah. And if you're out, then you get the,

obviously get the best you can. Is that right now or after July? I don't know. Probably the extension to Frank's point. You get the, if somebody is going to pay more, eight-year extension, you can't sign that.

I also think if Elias Lindholm goes to a contender, every single team is going to fall into that five to seven million bucks of cap space next year. I don't know that anyone that brings them him is going to have tough time signing him so long as it's a place he wants to be, which I don't think it's, you're trading him to a contender,

a rebuilding team, right? And I've asked you this before retro that we believe that the Bo Horvatt is a good comparable. Yeah. The Meyer deals in the similar spot. It's winger to center. It's not the same age. But we've seen a lot of those deals now in that between eight and nine. And the cap is set to start growing again to the point where you're going to be over 90 in two years. And that's less than 10% of your cap for a number one center. And then on the other hand, we talk how great it is to have cap space. Yeah. Isn't the great. great to be that team that can be a landing spot for picks and a landing spot for cap space. And then on the flip side, well, if you pay them $8 million, $8.5 million, the cap's going up and

percentage of the cap goes down. I just think about Kevin Hayes. Like if you had cap space and you knew Lindholm wasn't working here, you could have brought in a guy that can play a legit top six forward minutes at a cap hit of three something for a sixth rounder. Little things like not a ton of cap space allows you to do so much. you could have Taylor Hall for free. Like, these are all the things Connie's got to balance right.

It's a really, really, really complex thing he's looking at here. 100%. I just, I don't, I don't, I have a tough time understanding. The read, Frank is right. And Connie's saying, thanks for calling, but we're not listening. Like, to me, that's wrong. But we need to hear an answer from Elias. And then I'll call you if it's not signing.

Right now we're waiting for him to give us an answer. And if the answer is no, we'll call you right. But wouldn't you want to know? Theoretically, let's assume. No, you're right. Absolutely. That's a very good point. What does a package look like?

And maybe that is happening. I would assume that is happening. That no deal is moving forward, but you certainly would gauge what he's worth. I just don't have, I like it. I don't have a good feel on it. And I don't like it because Lynn told me is a heck of a player. And you do want to keep him. It's more in the fact that you're in win mode.

You're in wind now. mode and you can say well he's the number one center and if he's at horvats is he a number one center in three years and then you've got three or four more guys and a whole crew of guys in that 33 plus age group still getting paid a lot of money and you can have kids come up and take it just seems more complicated to me and again i wish lindholm is not the guy i want to get rid of, but he's such an asset. I think, anyway, it makes it

muddier to be the fact that they're trying to keep him. I agree. And look, if you're keeping him, it's like, well, shit, you know, we should probably try to keep back on because now we have that one, two, three down the middle that we like. Yeah, you want that depth. If you're buying uncompetitive, now you're talking to yourself, like, maybe we don't take first rounders for Hanofin.

We can get this 23-year-old D-man that will be a top four in a year or two. Like, I just, I don't like the path because it's too short-sighted. And what Rett's always said is like, we need a plan. Like, give us a five-year vision. I don't know if Connie's allowed to do that. And even if he was or wasn't, he wouldn't tell you. Like, you know, Bradshaw Living was here for nine years.

Did he ever say anything negative about the owner? No. Like, you don't run your boss. It doesn't mean that it isn't difficult. You just don't say anything. But yeah, I don't think this group's any closer to having a, here's what we are in five years. That's the scary part. Yes.

To me. like and you know well with the hand of it there's the the unrestricted free agency thing like there's not a ton of superstar guys that everyone's jumping but if you wanted to fill a spot on the blue line just look at there's enough guys that you could target right like if hanif it leaves go find another million two million dollar third pair guy you could piece it together

and i get frank's point to a point about if you're going to go full scorch earth rebuild it doesn't guarantee you shit it's true it guarantees you're probably going to be bad and you might pick high in the draft but it does not mean let's be bad for three years and then we'll win a cup in year five yeah but what's and i guess we're stuck in the history of it and frank everyone's opinion is valid and it's the approach is everyone's approach is there's points to all I think from the flames fans' perspective, from my perspective,

since 1989, there's a short stint of winning. And other than that, it's been back and forth, not really good and then bad and picking in this awkward. Pindra said it the other day, you've never drafted a top three pick,

ever. Weren't we the only franchise that hasn't done that? Like, you've never been able to, to hang your hat on an Austin Matthews pick, on a Connor Bedard pick, on a Connor McDavid pick. So that's all fine and good to try and remain competitive.

And you, like I just said, any approach is fine and any approach has risk. So, you know, to argue Franks, well, what's the risk of sticking with this group?

Has it done well last year? So you're going to keep adding pieces to that? That's right. What I've been saying, it's a hell of a lot of risk there. Yeah, you're not tossing away a winning formula to hopefully get young and contend. This is, it's broken. You aren't, you aren't winning on the ice and it's clearly things aren't right off the ice. Yeah, but you're so close.

I mean, if they get 10 more saves, they might be in. Like, that's the thing. But they're so close to what? To getting into the crapshoot tournament. And I'm not here to tell they're going to win a cup. Like, I'm with you, Rhett. Like, I look at cup owners and I'm like, okay, Ovechkin went first. Stamcoast went one, headman, two, franchise,

goalie that they got in the first round. I look at, you know, Taves goes one. Patrick Kane, or, you know, top three, Kane goes one. Like, every team that wins a cup has one or two of these top five guys with very few exceptions. Like maybe St. Louis and Vegas. And even Vegas, you know, they bought low on an injured Jack Eichel that hadn't played in a year. But generally speaking, you don't win a cup unless you have a top five pick or a couple of them

in their prime. That's just it. So if you actually want to win a cup, I'm kind of where red. is like you have to start tearing this down. If you just want to be competitive and say, hey, it's a crazy tournament, anything can happen. Bring this team back. But don't tell us you're trying to win a cup. No one wins a cup with out

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he hasn't fallen on hard times yet old old uh whatever kent hughes or whatever his name is burning up two two telephones doing the dubous thing in the hallway and lecablier yeah he looks like he could play right now who needs you need me want me because i can play well they're still paying him he's not playing jesus christ how many years left on that 1.80 year i look this morning until 2027 Oh, son of a bitch. That paid to not work thing? Well, and remember, because he got bought out there. Twice.

It's bought out there. It's being paid by two teams not to play for it. I believe when he retired, he would have been right up there for career earnings north of 100 million. Yeah, I know we looked at it. Because he was double dipping at one point. Maybe triple dipping at one point, like wild stuff. It's serving them well.

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Okay. We start with the big trade yesterday, fellows, Dean and I were just hitting tarmac in Chicago waiting to taxi into a gate that was taken because O'Hare's O'Hare and boom, there it was. The Wolverine texted to me, there's your Frank Baum. To Foley out, no surprise.

Sharon Govich in, big surprise. Bell Russian just turned 25 in the last month and has had a very mixed bag of results. The high water mark two seasons ago, a 24-go campaign on a line with Jack Hughes. We heard from Frank on it.

uh ret just initial reactions or any sort of um you know have you tried to use all the letters in his last name to spell out something else like what do we think was a nickname i got a nickname for him yet yeah no nickname yet at first i didn't like it but i i see the reasoning behind it yeah um talking with craig button and frank last night there was a thought that yeah if you just wanted picks you might be able to get picked 29 30 31 32 something like that but the flames clearly like this player and would prefer this package to the theoretical one that I just laid out there. And that that has people in obviously different emotions about it. How you feel about Igor Sharon Govich is probably how you feel about this deal.

He is not a finished product known entity. Well, here's what he's doing for you next year. It's very much up in the air. He was taken off the power play last season. He was down, what, two minutes of time on ice a game. You know, and it's one of those things too. I have a hard time believing anybody would see Sharon Govich and a third and not have to go and Google numbers and data on Sharon Govich and then make their decision whether or not the player's

good or not. Especially out of conference, right? You saw the guy twice in the fall in a third line role. That's it if you're a Flames fan. This is very much a get to Calgary. See where you fit in and see what you are. They love his size and his speed and his shot. Every team will say that when they pick up a player.

For me, it's truly a reserve judgment until we see the player. Yeah. If you have a grade handed out on this trade, you know more than we do because you've got a crystal ball that tells us what he looks like in flames. So clearly the flames think he's more than the 13 goal campaign he put last year. And from the devil's perspective, this just makes a ton of sense. They're clearing up space. They just got Timo Meyer inked.

And Tofoli is a guy that for one year gives them some finishing an area. They were good at creating chances last year, but not great at finishing them. And they got another pick. They'll pick again tomorrow. They've got, it's their picks if you were saying yesterday. If they want an offer sheet, I think that's highly unlikely. You want conspiracies, right? You love conspiracies.

I do. Ear lights and, you know, these guys, this is Illuminati. You want a conspiracy theory is retro. The flames, you can't offer sheet with someone else's picks. They get their own third back.

So clearly, huge offer sheet in the worst. Don't know who. Can't confirm that bullshit. Cannot confirm that in any way. Okay. We're light on the Pinda report. Let's get to some dumb stuff.

We have some, some Rett stuff. No, Rhett's dog, we've seen a bunch of his cats lately. This is, I didn't realize you let your dog watch TV. I know you're pretty firm with your children on screen time, but your dog, you're okay with that? Yeah, I think it's good for a conference show.

Go boy. Let's have a look here. On top of the dough and use your body weight to push the dough into itself. Use his paper to pull the dough off the board. It can't be good for the cushion, Rhett. But interesting, you would let your dog watch cooking shows. That's good stuff. Putting to work.

Is this in, um, I thought didn't cats need? Don't they don't cats need? Yeah, to stimulate belt for the mother's teeth. There's a throwback. Okay. Uh, rats in Saskatoon. Yeah, yeah. Beautiful lake country around there, Dean.

You know that. I do, yeah. And we assume. How are the bugs? How are the skitters? They weren't bad last night. No, any wasps or black flies or aphids? That's not black fly.

fucking horseflies, man. They bite. They're the worst. Nasty son of it. You guys have horse flies? Hey, Betway. You know what horse flies are? Do you have big black?

Oh, they're the worst. They don't sting. They don't poke. They bite. They're fucking chump. They can chunk right out of you. Little bastards. Yeah.

The Betway guys are here retro. Looking at you, like, what are these idiots talking about? Yeah. No, they were putting on it on the side. They were putting on a good show last night. Yeah. Until knackers. is the term I got on.

But very friendly guys. I think they helped close down Tutsi's last night. Yeah, they did. The chairs up on the table, wiping down the bars. I mean, they were there right at the end helping the staff, right? This is fine. No, there's lots of lakes out there. This is exclusive footage of you and the shoveler getting that jet ski in the lake.

Let's have a look at this. Is this McPhee? What lake is this? I know Reggie's up there. Was that it's his lake? Christopher, yeah. She's driving. Okay, we got you in.

We're good. Oh, no. It's not in park. Shovelerina. What are you doing? No. No, no, no, no. See, that's a Honda.

Oh, take that to build. And, Rhett, look, you just beside yourself there. Oh, dear. What's, and what's the driver doing?

Oh, look at the bubbles. And now the wipers come on. Look at the wiper. Yeah, and Rett's, I'm, oh, right, all you can do is you laps and you know

at the shovel. I'm sorry. I know that's tough on your relationship when that happens. That's a bad thing. You ruin your day at the lake. Right. spanking waves trying to push it back in.

What an idiot. That's tough. I'll tell you why that's a good boat launch. That's deep. That's deep in a hurry. That's what you... Look at that. Oh, wrette.

I'm sorry, bud. For those that are not watching, some idiot was putting their jet ski into the water. Just left it in reverse, yeah. And look like pilot, CRV, Honda pilot, maybe, just completely underwater. I'll tell you what, there's some great videos online of like fails,

people trying to back their boats and shit and I could watch it for days and it's the most, it's so stressful when you're doing it because you know everybody's got you got the eyeballs on you, you're like, okay, so it's how do I go the other way? No, no, fuck, put it in the drive, pull up. Oh, try it again, head back, nope, got to do it again. And then you're totally psyched out.

One of my favorite moves is there's a little beach by the launch where we have a family cabin and it's like May long, everything comes in, Labor Day, everything out. Turn the seats around from looking at the lake, right to the launch and just back the beer and be like, Hi, buddy, see what you got. Yeah, it's so good.

And then you'll see somebody that is really good at it. Yeah, yeah. Golf club. Well done. Very well done. Nice job. Six-0. Yeah.

What do you got at the, are you going to the lake? What are you doing? I'm heading there right at as soon as we're done. You got a boat up there? I do. I have three boats out there. And they happen to be mine.

Is that right? I see, does everyone in your family agree with that? I feel like some of them, maybe like what? I guess. Possession, yeah, possession. It might be a statute of limitations

or whatever it else called. What's, uh, how's DUG it back in the boat into the, DUG could do it in his sleep. Yeah, blindfold. Just a little slider right in there. Not surprised. Yeah. Uh, that's it for a light pin report.

We'll have a lot tomorrow based on round one tonight. And, uh, I have fingers crossed and high hopes. but I'm ready to be heartbroken. I can tell you're heartbroken already. This fucking draft class. There's been 11 picks moved and the flames seven found a way to get one more measly fucking pick. Brett, I don't know if you heard, but Pinder is quite fond of this year's draft class.

Is it a good draft class in his opinion? Apparently. He's a very good draft class. So is it better to have an average pick out of this draft pack or an exceptional pick out of the next year? That's a good question. And that's where your scouting department would be like, here are the levels, here are the tiers,

this is where it drops off. I don't know. I didn't ask on our draft show that we ran yesterday, Byron Bader of Hockey prospecting and Joel Henderson from FC Hockey, where Wright and Slavkovsky would go. That was the first and third picks in last year's draft. They both sort of thought that late single digits into the teens. So that's just the top.

I don't know how different 25 to 25 be, but last year's top three picks might have slid into, the teens this year. That says something. Where are you guys? Are you going to go watch from the Bridgestone? Or where are you guys? Or at a pub?

We got credentials. Yeah, I think we'll go. We got the little hangy-landered thing. We may as well. I would be crushed by the time. Yeah, I thought it might be a lot like the game that we went to that one year, boom, or maybe a natural over, yeah, over-indults in the afternoon and not make it. I was there.

Yeah, I woke up on the shitter and the game was on the TV. It was in the second intermission. I hustled down and caught the third period there. Did you show up to that one? It was L.A. you didn't show up. L.A. I missed. Yeah.

And the problem was we'd finish the show and Rett said, okay, I know this band playing. We'll just go for one set at 10 a.m. Yeah. That one set ended at about 14, 15 hours later. Yeah, Broadway starts about 10. Live bands. Shire box were cold.

Actually, and you know what? Yesterday, Rhett, we, Pinder and I did a little thing about the trade at the same hotel where we stayed at when we came through and we did the show where Pinder didn't show up for that either, if you remember. No, I showed up and was slurring and didn't know the final scores from the night before and then promptly vomited in the main floor washroom. Yeah, it's like there's where we were set up for the show you didn't do and there's the bathroom where you honked and trying to find your credit card.

We could do a little tour of that if you want. That could be a really, like, you know, these little walking, here we are and this is the historic building here and this university here. that the Columbus, we could do one of those. Much like the same thing, much like music roll, you can just feel it. This is where Pinder Pute. Yeah. And this is the place where I lost my credit card.

It's so great. Got tossed from that place right before that. Okay, good. I got that picture of you from the bowling alley somewhere. Really? Somewhere. Pinder is in full cowboy regalia minus a half, but he's got a, like, western shirt. He's got a vintage western shirt, yeah.

Jeans, boots, and he is knackered, passed out on a chair at a bowling alley. Holding the chair. down. Just making sure it didn't run away on us. I think we summarized that next morning in one of the greatest awful shows we've ever done that you had come to the conclusion that Nashville simply reincarce

reincarnates people to their 17 year old self. We were all just 17 year olds of fake ID that night. It was quite something. Oh yeah, it was hall pass. Yeah. It was full. So there you go. That was the PIN report. Hearing Loss Clinic talking to Rhodes. I don't know if you

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Yeah. I am a candidate for hearing aids. Tell them what your wife texted. Oh yeah, my wife text me. The woman I live with. Your roommate is something. Yeah, my roommate. So you go in there and we're shooting the things.

Yeah, you can also go through the whole song, dance. This is how it works. And this is what, you know, the low end frequencies you're still good with. But it's the higher end frequencies that you kind of struggle with. And you would be a candidate for this. Oh, really? Okay. Well, I'm suffice to say, she was not surprised.

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So get out. And do make it, I see it. You go to the dentist, get your eyes looked, get your ears down. You can't see while you go get the glasses. Can't hear well? Get some, get it figured out. Nap time? Are we disappointed?

We aren't overwhelmed with, oh my God, this was better than we thought it was going to be. I'll tell you that. The indication, to me it's the Lindholm indicators that, well, we're really trying to make this work. And again, you feel like an ass saying it because everyone loves Linholm as a player. It's not that you don't want him on your team. It's that you're frightened of what's to come. You don't want six, 35-year-olds making more money than they're worth, eating up all your cap while you don't pick in the top 10 for five years.

That's what you don't want. We haven't talked about this long. I think it's just an interesting thought that what is in the flames right with Elias Lintham. Like, would it be fair to say Elias, we would like to have a firm answer by 7 p.m. Eastern when the draft begins,

or whatever the time is? Like, is that a reasonable ask? Or do you think given how much they like him and really, I don't think it'd be competitive without him? That's how you get into these situations where you pussyfoot around. It happened with Giordano. It happened with Iggy.

At some point, it's business. Well, that's what I mean. Like, shouldn't they have clarity before the draft? Is that not unreasonable? Should have been this morning. Yeah, today, and maybe it is. We don't know. Connie's not going to necessarily come out publicly with timelines,

but I just feel like if we're a month down the road and they're waiting for his answer, is that not a misplay by the GM? Shouldn't you know by now? This is where you can really turn an asset into futures. Well, to Frank's point, it depends on what you think you are getting. You don't know that until it happens, right? Maybe it's not a misplay because Conroy has the offers in front of us.

him and he's like, well, what the hell difference does it make? It just feels like they're waiting from say yes or no. It's not like they're not deciding whether they trade him or not. He's going to pick whether they trade him or not, it sounds like. Yeah, that sure does sound that way. And you'd be damn well pissed off if you were that fly on the wall. And they did wait until August to trade them or whatever. And you find out, oh, yeah, there was a pick in the 10 to 20 of that this year's draft.

What? What? Stinks. like that's not asking too much of the players that you don't worry that you're scaring him into not staying what's the player waiting for what are the indicators the player needs if the money's right and you've played in that city for the last four or five what are you waiting for cap's going up right like that's that's the one thing is the cap is going but again you know your value yeah there's a small little window that deal is going to fall and we know it's a max term deal.

The only thing no, excuse me, Elias Lentholm doesn't know is if this team's going to be good next year. And I'll give him that as a, well, you're basing your next eight years of your career. Well, I would think if they're going to, part of it. He's like, are they rebuilding this thing? Or are we going to be competitive? And that's

a question that you could ask and not get a firm answer on to be honest. They want to be good. The agents know, you know, right? You're Elias Lundholm. You're in that room. Are we going to be good next year? Like, you know. Well, what do you know? They're probably, you know, fight for the playoff spot, try and sneak into a playoff spot.

I just mean, like, if Noah Hanofen goes for four picks and no players versus here's a 23-year-old rising defenseman, you're like, okay. I would make to the different way in the direction of the team. Yeah, I think you're based too much on the, the Hanifant. The Lindel knows the city. He knows the team. He knows if he resigns. He's got a pretty good indignant. of what the team's going to be like.

I don't think the team's success next year is locked in on whether Noah Hanifan was going to stay or not, right? Sure, he's a big piece of it, but like we just said, if Noah Hanifton's gone, whatever you bring in return, either fills that hole. Yeah, they're not playing a man short. Yeah, you're going to go find a defense, but to chew up some minutes.

Yeah, and I think it's reasonable for him to have had his mind made up by now, but I certainly do think he could say, I don't know if I trust this GM or not. I don't know if I trust this coach. He'd probably have inclination. Well, then you're gone. Yeah. Then you're gone, right?

Like, if you don't trust the GM, you don't trust the coach, you have your answer. Again, you still have your answer. Go, bye. And if you truly in your heart can't give an answer, you have to respect. That's an answer. You have to respect it if the team trades you. Of course. I couldn't do it.

I couldn't give them an answer. I have to understand they did with the question. But the underpittings of that, Dean, are that him not giving an answer is an answer. Yeah. Yeah, it is. To a certain extent, it is for sure. And so,

I guess, what are your expectations on the timeline for this? It doesn't feel like Connie has one. I think they announces a contract. Can they do it today or does it have to wait until July 1st? Certainly behind closed doors agree to terms, but you can't officially sign anyone until July 1. A press release would be July 1 if they were going to resign them.

Out. Boy, we were really excited about the rebuild last Friday, weren't we? Things have changed. If they'd let us run shit, then all, you know. Yeah, we could give you the dozen years of sadness like Buffalo easily. We could do that, right? This is sadness. This is sadness.

There's still time. There's still time that drafts a few hours away we can fix this thing. Hey, before we go, let's do those Batway vets of the day. Those boys are looking a little tight. Let's do the Batway. There it is. All that help cleaning up the bar last? draft coverage in Nashville.

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Well, that's the guy that signs your checks. You should probably get to know him. Okay, let's get to, I was looking at the draft picks. We had a bunch of over-unders on guys in the draft, and we're looking good. Some of those numbers have moved. We've got a lot of ASP exposure going before pick 15. That's now even money we got in on that plus 40.

I don't like any of what's left because I've been dancing on those for a week. How about this? Connor McDavid to win the heart next year. You're going to let these knackard food money for a year, but even money for Connor to win a heart? Are you fucking kidding me? Let's go. I trust.

They'll pay you. You just got to wait a while. You're not going to get a pay out on the heart trophy until they give out the heart trophy in a year. In Vegas. We're going to that? Yep. You guys going to be here in Vegas next year? shit yeah let's do it he was saying he's not been to Vegas oh fuck it's like it's a little louder a little brighter

yeah they got more staff you want to help clean up the bar like there a little shinier yeah uh plus 100 it's even money baby love that for connor to win the heart next year there you go betway bets betway app get it on your phone ontario 19 are over you know that the responsible way let's go with betway uh we're out of here oilers guys are coming in We're kind of, it's the rotating studio here in Nashville. So we are out. We'll be at the Bridgestone arena for round one tonight. Anything happens.

We'll be able to go live with emergency press conferences. We did an emergency pod last night, pool side on a 27th floor bar. That was cool. And if Conroy or whomever has something to say, we'll do our best to be there and have that for you. Tomorrow back here at 1030 mountain time, again, not the half hour later than the usual start. Now, how's your rushing? When they trade up to five with Montreal to get Mishkov, you're going to be... Traybion.

Okay. Bueno. So off to the lake retro, sunscreen, please, on your big upper body there. Right of a d is. Good for you, folks. Yeah, sure it is. There it is. That's going to do it.

Have yourselves a fine day, everybody. See you, buddies. See you tomorrow from the Shag Room.