Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Maloney & Conroy Extended — Now What?? | BB Clips

Episode Date: November 28, 2025

Boomer, Pinder and Rhett react to the news that the Calgary Flames have extended Don Maloney, Craig Conroy, Dave Nonis and Brad Pascall. What does this mean for the direction of the franchise moving forward? Do these extensions signal stability, a rebuild, or more of the same? The guys break down what the front office shake-up could mean for the team and the fanbase.VIDEO LINK: https://youtu.be/Qr5-ksUWMho#nhl #nhlshorts #nhlplayoffs #nhlpredictions #nhlhockey #nhlpicks #stanleycup #stanleycupfinal #calgaryflames CHECK OUT OUR STUFF ⬇️BARN BURNER MERCHhttps://nationgear.ca/collections/shirts/FlamesnationBARN BURNER SHORTS https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj_bcGtvvo-cW2DHEDZ6dEO5ePDmlhZc9&si=jo8iNGxT4ImhS2Y8📲 Follow us:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fnbarnburner/X (Twitter): https://x.com/barnburnerfn?lang=en🎧 Listen on:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/be/podcast/barn-burner-boomer-pinder-with-rhett-warrener/id1648562889Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mc6Qd5U22R2zbMlQ7RxIiProducer: Jack Haverstock Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Who, uh, some news today. I'm not to believe in the chat. We had herself a, uh, you know, we had. We had one of these. Pike bomb, pipe bomb. It's a pike bomb, Pike bomb, baby, big pike bomb, pig bomb. It's a pike bomb. Get ready for a big pike bomb.

I haven't done the whole, the whole thing in a while. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Give me time to research. I thought we were just listening to music. I know, yeah, it's a great ditty. I don't know who's saying that. Tom Jones.

Great pipes. Great pipes there. Yeah, the official word apparently coming down. Is that what you're seeing as well? Yeah, Flames Nation reporting the Calgary Flames have signed Donnelli, Craig Conroy, Dave Nones, and Brad Pascal, all to two-year extension. So the rumored deal done with Conroy is the entire front office another two years. Vote a conference.

Just a band of brothers. What's the face? I'm happy for all of them. That's great. I hope they're on the same page and willing to look at all options and consider all scenarios. Yeah, I don't know if there's any sort of disclaimers about who gets to talk in front of cameras or not, but I wouldn't be the worst idea. Yeah, there is that after a week to 10 days of what looks to be misfunctioned that everybody gets re-upped. but all right, that's, I do not

people, no, having jobs and making money and careers. That's, but do the right thing. Yeah, honestly, like Dawn's taken a lot of heat and rightfully, in some respects, because they stepped on a few landmines that they didn't need to. But I would not judge whether he's a good hockey man or not based on his below-average media skills. Well, we sat here with. With Revere last night, and his take, and I want to make sure I'm not putting it,

I'll paraphrase, I guess, his take kind of was, he thinks that it's basically the messaging of ownership, just being passed along, he's echoing what he's getting from upstairs in the owner's suites. So while you, maybe you don't like what you heard from Don Maloney,

it may well not be what he in his heart of hearts actually is thinking. I agree. It also was not as eloquently. stated as it could have been stated. Like, that's not his strength. It's not, here's a big crowd, watch Don, wow, the room. Like, that's not him. And you know what? Maybe it's, maybe it is his strength. That, that, that's, that, that scenario that night was not well. It was, well, it didn't sit. Let's take the line out of it. The concern then becomes, in all honesty, the concern then becomes, if Don is just delivering the message, that's more concerning.

Yeah, you can hire and fire and do whatever you want with, with people. that's the mandate. Still, you've got these guardrails that your hockey staff have to work within, which is we don't rebuild. We don't. I can, anybody, I can do that shit.

I can go on TV and tell you that we're competing and we want to win and, you know, all that sort of thing. I'm kind of with you, Ryan, you've said it a number of times. If, in fact, the flames,

and it's been a little bit better as of late, obviously, what, three and one of the last four, four, two and one. But if they, by the time the trade deadline comes and they are a 32nd, 31st, 30th place hockey team in the NHL. Somewhere in that, I think they will do what you expect, which is trade assets for young players picked. Older veterans out, younger assets.

Just because it's so bloody clear, that's what you do. I'm not really giving them a ton of credit, but it's like, you know, so you're near the bottom and you have some guys that other teams want and you're not looking like you're going to win, right? Well, then yes, by all means, do, call it whatever you want. Yeah, call it a re-biggle. You can trademark the thing and sell shirts.

If you don't, we will. How many games? This is what they would do and they'd be really serious. How many games until the trade deadline? When's the trade deadline this year with the early March? So there's a long way. Later. It's a long way.

Okay. But, okay, so early three months away. Okay. And that's length of time, but because there's a two weeks of Olympics, Olympic break and there's a little bit of a Christmas break, so it's, how many games? 30? You're not probably a little more. You figure this out, are you?

You're usually 10 to 12 games a month, sorry. Yeah, that's fine. You were answering the question. I just kept babbling. So what I'm getting at is that that's fine. we're going to wait and play this out. I said it last week. That just means that other teams are entering the fray as well.

And I don't give a shit what, I mean, if you can have Luke, not Luke Hughes, Quinn Hughes or Rasmus Anderson. Right, yeah, yeah. You're shopping in different stores. You are, but you know what? It's a lecture item, yeah.

It's kind of, when Dregs was talking there, the Montreal Canadians, they've been shot they've been looking for forwards so it's two things you have other teams that drop down we've seen st louis vancouver there's going to be there's just going to be more teams that become sellers there's also going to be other teams that they've just spent their equity that they have to get a forward or a defenseman so there's fewer be getting ahead of the game right so i i agree but we also have to look at the historical patterns of the league there are very few deals done before the new year hits.

There's a few where teams get their business done early. Like Tyler Tofoli, I think was added like mid-December by Bradshaw Living. You had the Linholm deal was a month ahead of the deadline. But the vast majorities do happen at the deadline for a reason. And I, yes, game 61 and 62. Thank you, Pike. So there's a lot of runway. And I don't think people are going to be like, well, shit, we didn't know

Cadre was going to, like, they know. It's just you have to let time pass here. There's not a lot of deals that get done in the fall in this later. It is, but it's tricky when you don't know if Cadry, you don't I mean? So I think the standings you'll know in the new year, right? So do you think if they're 30th that Nazim Codry's traded? Yes. Okay.

So do I. But they're 30th now. But the only reason I say the deals aren't good now is also what we're here. He's not an expiring contract. you could take him into next year. You could take him to the draft. Rasmus Anderson, I'm with you because he's got no deal next year and he's probably leaving.

I don't know that I feel that strongly that if Nause is kind of, I'm not dying to get out of here. And if there's some trades, but maybe it's on his no trade or the offers, I don't know. I sort of view two pressure points on it. One is that a lot of teams are looking to upgrade number two center where Nazim would slot in on a contender.

There aren't a lot of centers that are able to come available. Maybe it's Ryan O'Reilly. Nashville. But like, yeah, Vancouver. Maybe Luke Shen, but I don't know, you know, where is he now versus his prime? Braden. Thank you, Brayden. And then the other factor is like, I don't think we should be discounting Nazim's role in this because he's got three years left.

And if they're selling Rasmus at the deadline and they're taking calls on, you know, like Blake Coleman or whoever else might be available, like, does he, want to play another playoff game in his career. He's 30th now, though. Like, I know, I get, I know, yeah, I don't disagree that he's probably has some say in it. I think, I think what you're saying I agree with. It's just time has to pass. Yeah.

And I, I know that there's a tradition of letting time pass and the, there's deadpots. It doesn't mean it's the right way to do it. I was looking the other day, remember when, no, no, that. We don't know. We don't know. You're right. Like, it could be the best deal on tables today. It's just generally speaking, it hasn't worked.

that way. Maybe this is an exception this year. Well, and sometimes I think Conroy did it with the Lindstrom. Lindholm. Lindholm, sorry. Where it's just, here's what I want. I don't care. Yeah. Me my price and I'll do it now. Yeah.

Sometimes you worry also about I have to win the deal. You don't what I mean? Like, I'm not making a deal unless I win. Well, that's your price. And when you get, when you get what you, you want, then take it. Because like the Lindholm deal, and I was thinking, okay, so those were,

remember Trilliving, you would, you know, he gets ahead of the deadline. And when Conroy did that deal for Lindholm with Vancouver, he was doing it. Lindholm was January. And Tyler Toffoli, that was a February deal. And that was getting ahead of the market. Toffle was earlier. But yeah, they went up and got early.

And the notion that was from Triliving, like, I want to get this guy into the room and incorporated so that by the time we get to the playoffs, it's not like a 15, 12 game sample. Like, I really want him to get comfy in this spot if he's going to be a contributor. And certain GMs are willing to pay the premium to do that, but I still can't think of a November blockbuster. You're contradicting yourself. To Foley, just for this, Tafoli, because I thought the same thing. It's like, oh, well, that was it was, it was February 14th. Okay. And there was a COVID year, so the deadline probably is a little later. It was coming out of COVID. They had to catch up the schedule a bit. So my point, I guess my

only point being is those are early deals and we're still a ways away. We're all saying the same thing. Yeah. And it would be nice if someone was willing to meet what your ask is now. What all the insiders on all their podcasts are saying is like the desperation might be high in spots. It's not getting lower. Like if you think the heats on Bradshaw living now, wait until January or, you know, Doug Armstrong and St. Louis. And like, are we expecting zero injuries between now and March?

Of course not. There are going to be teams that aren't desperate now that suddenly becomes suitors. And I think that's why we've seen the tradition of transactions in the league that we have. But you're right, Rhett, if you haven't asked and someone meets it, like, move them tomorrow. It's just clear that, you know, no one's offered them enough to be like, we're considering it. We're going to have the chat with Nazim. If someone says, here's two firsts and a prospect, like you're calling Nazim. You're not saying, no, call us in January.

And that's why I think these comments went off is because everyone feels that way. but that's all well and good if they are in the mindset that they're willing to trade players. If all of a sudden, no, we need more cadres, not less. It's like, well, how the hell? So you need to find the team and you need to find the deal and the cap money needs to all of the. But if ownership is saying, well, these guys are important in the room, we need veterans. It's a culture. Then it's all moot.

It's like, Jesus Christ. Yeah, and we can think and believe that. if what Don's saying is the mandate? Like that's the fear is if Conroy is making phone calls and getting phone calls and whatever is like, okay, well, that would probably be a hell of a deal for us. But I don't know, I don't know if there's any way I'm going to be able to. And again, I think you're right with the cadre one because the cadre, you don't have to trade them. And the ownership can go, well, can we trade them next year? Yeah, we don't have to make this decision now if we aren't.

Don't we like? Will we get a better deal next year? Is it going to be work? Well, the answer will be I don't know. Yeah. But it will be, can you trade him? Yeah, I can trade him whenever we want. The fear for me is that this team gets to like 24th place because that's when the, we'll punt till next year.

That's why Rasmus didn't get moved at last year's deadline when you saw inferior players getting large halls. You know, and maybe there's a great market for him again this year. He's played really well. That helps. but now you have that nasty little extension conversation that has to be a part of deals if teams want to, you know, if you want to get max value in return,

well, we would like to extend them. But, you know, I don't think that the team wanted messaging of we're waving the white flag when it was mid-November and they still had, what, 30 home games left. I think the messaging the team wanted was like stay the course. The one thing they didn't add in their messaging, which I think they should have was that, you know, when we get in the new year, there are options.

If this continues down the path, we didn't think it was. Yes, because other teams are saying those things, and they're not getting roasted for it. No, and that's been an organizational thing. The only times they've ever rebuilt, it was never by choice. It was in front of their face so obvious, the only way to proceed.

That's the way this season is going. Yeah, they're going to, are we at all concerned? Why, this is very sportsy. Rasmus Anderson, to me it seems like he would resign here if they gave him the number he wanted. And vice versa, they would resign him if he would agree to the number they wanted. Is that the wrong message for us dopes that are going, I don't want it? That means you're sticking to the. Yeah, it feels like that was the scenario with Hanifan.

They met the number. but then at some point he kind of, well, maybe they were prepared to pay. And I, again, Pinder, you might remember what, was it like 64? Was it eight times eight or? Around eight a year on max term. And in today's cap world, like, that's actually a fine deal. Yeah. But that's what they mentioned in the conversation with the only.

Yeah, where it was like we would like to have some of those goes. Are they wrong? They may not be wrong. No, you'd be more competitive with them. For sure, you would. But again, like, the less runway there is left in the season and the lower they are in the standings, the less I worry about them making mistakes. And I don't think it's a problem that they want to resign Rasmus. They might want them on a five-year deal at seven.

That would be awesome. The challenge is carrying this guy till he's 37 on a max term at nine. You can't do that. He's declining as your team's getting good. And when your team needs to pay these kids, you're drafting high. you're still paying a guy that's falling down in your depth chart. So just like we don't know what potential deals are out there,

we don't know what numbers have been exchanged in great detail. But yeah, there's a circumstance where the flames like Rasmus back. It's just not a deal he's going to sign. It's not enough money. Doesn't that just send a mucky message to you? I mean, not necessarily because they only want him if he's an incredible value. They don't want to pay him market. So if you really want to be a flame,

and shit, like we'll take you at a number where we can move you at any point. I think they would pay a market. No, they went this summer and talked and they were significantly apart. And Elliot reported on Monday that there's still a huge gap. They're not close. And that's a good sign if you're on team rebuild. They've stuck to their valuation. Rasmus has his.

They're not close. Yeah, I guess it sounds very well known because Hanifin chose not to sign. Can you do both? And the only reason I say that is because of can you be point? pointed towards a rebuild, but say it still makes sense. Because if you look at the Hanifan thing, I say we could have, we could still be doing what we're doing,

but we'd have Noah Hanofin at $8 million. That'd be a good signing. Can you still be in the mindset? We're going to get younger. We realize we're a 30th place team, but you look at the depth of our D. We're playing Jake Bean. And, you know,

because Nets off has been fine, but Miram, Matt off. Hanley came off waivers. Pahal's been a waiver guy. Can we still get younger and better? With Rasmus Anderson in our in our top four making like you say, if the deal isn't, if isn't an overpay.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, you've got. Could. But it's not the worst thing. I think what it does is if, if you find a deal where you're like, shit, like Rasmus really wants to be here.

This is a hometown thing. Now the pressure point would move to Rasmus because you're loaded with right. Not to Rasmus to McKenzie Weeger because you're loaded with right shot guys. Those are the two chips to play. Like you could certainly. I don't think they're moving both. And Rasmus's deal has put him

under the spotlight and most likely candidate to move. But if someone got a sweet idea with Rasmus, I'd start taking calls on Wigger. That would be doing both. Because you do need some vets. Yeah, if you were going to keep one of them, and let's just assume that both of their contracts would end at the same age. Right.

Same time age. Whatever Uyghurs deal now takes him to late 30s. And say you weigh that with an Anderson extension that would take him to the same based on the player, assuming the cap hit is, it wouldn't be, it's not going to be six and a quarter. Just player wise, who, which of the two would you prefer to keep?

You can make a good case for both. I know. If you're assuming same age, same contract, I don't know. That's tough. Like, I think they're pretty comparable. They do things differently, but they're sort of playing the same slot. They're both kind of power play two, not power play one guys. They both got some moxie.

they're both clogging up the right side where you have, you know, Perek, Pris, all these guys coming on the right side. If it was same, same, I don't really have a problem with going one way or the other. The challenge is that you will not get Rasmus Anderson five years at 6.25.

And that's what's left on Uyghurs deal. We're just kind of shooting the shit. It's interesting because I don't know who's better. They're having, though, and I think part of it is, do we keep, I mean, I think it's a long shot and I think they'll stick to their guns, but there is an argument to be made that you should resign Rasmus Anderson no matter what.

Yeah, we've seen a lot of UFAs. You have plenty of money. You don't have plenty of good defense. You've seen UFAs leave where it's been, no, there's no situation you resign this player. You take the cap money back and you let the player walk or you trade them. Winnipeg. This is resigning there guys because they're going,

well, we're not going to, how are we going to get, it's different because Winnipeg's had success. But they're also somewhat similar where it's like, you better keep your damn guys. You better keep them. Yeah, because, again, they're not getting a free. You're winning. Yeah.

But then you're not utilizing those assets to turn them into potential game breakers, which is what we're craving. Yeah, because their gamebreakers are the Shifleys and Morrissey's and hella bucks that they've extended and they're good. I think the way that you solve this dilemma, if it is one, is you say, what's our three and five year plan? And then when you weigh the assets you would get for Rasmus versus where he is in three to five years, you say,

oh yeah, we have to take the futures. Yeah, see, and I, yeah, when you map it out, I think it's the same thing. I agree with that, but they are going to internally argue. Yeah, like if Rasmus wanted to play on a six-year deal at seven million, I think it'd be done. But it sounds like it wants a max turn times nine. That's the chickering deal that got signed. I think we know,

based on the info that the L.A. Kings had a deal that the flames were willing to take based on an extension for Anderson. They're okay thinking about life after Anderson. Yeah. Right. And the rumored package was like a first and a top prospect, which may or may not have been like Liam Green Tree, who's a really good prospect forward, big guy.

So just the more you talk about it, I just, and it's why you can't have a motion, as I just feel like I'm ready to turn some guys over. Yeah, the fan base is for sure. This is the hardest part. You see them 30 seconds, you're like, do it. And they're like, well, they might, but just give them some time. Second round pick, you've been great value in terms of what we spent to get you and what we've had to pay you.

If we can, again, move it forward and keep getting younger. And there's no telling you, you could get a player. as good or better than Rasmus with a draft pick that comes back, plus other things. It just, you sometimes, I think teams are guilty. And I think maybe this team has a bit,

just kind of overvaluing what you've got. So, oh, he's, I don't know, should we trade? A lot of teams make trades and come out the other side. So that's a good trade for us. Think about the Lindholm deal.

Like, they were not unlike Hanofin. They were at a spot where, you know, the numbers were close enough that they could have said, look, we need to do this. And if he is saying, okay, I want to be here.

But for two months of Elias Lindholm, the Vancouver Canucks gave up Gridden, Bristevich. Like on and on and on it goes. It was a five-pieceer. They used one of their picks to move up in the draft. They, like, it's, they, they got, because Natsov, they've parlayed into Frost Farabby with some other spare parts.

Like two months of Lindholm, how much better off are you? Like, that deals in a massive loss for the Canucks. It is. They need a gritton coming up. right now. They don't have one. He's leading rookie scoring in the American League at 19. There's like almost no 19-year-olds in that league. He's top five in league scoring

at 19. That is a huge win for Conroy. And it's an unmitigated disaster for the Canucks because it didn't really work with Lindholm. They lost Edmonton anyway. And he wasn't that great for two months. That's the spot they're going to be in with Rasmus. Take the young assets. Get lots of lottery tickets. A few will probably hit.