Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Mid-Week Noodles 🍜 | FN Barn Burner January 29th, 2025

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

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Hey, how we doing? Welcome to the show. It's Wednesday? It is Wednesday. The shovelers thought it was Thursday, but it's not Thursday. Oh, I'd like it to be Thursday. Thursday. Friday's a holiday.

Totally thirsty. Awesome. Wellness Wednesdays. Yeah. Oh, not so much. Two massages with six pines. Let's go. Yeah.

Speaking of wellness, how did the half cake sit in the gullet yesterday? The half cake was followed up by a quarter cake. Oh, really? He went home and switched cakes. Switched cakes. Wow. It was like a NASCAR pit. change that's nice it's nice it's nice like you know what i had a coffee with that one you're up to your nips and cakes

all these cakes sitting around not anymore and life's good hey pizza date today jack good living pizza order i didn't get an answer yesterday so i didn't know what to do i didn't know how pizza at noon today was going to affect your life at well you don't want to go ahead p m last night too heavy on the pizza really i yeah yeah i would definitely power through that no issues but It seems to be wanting to hit all the different. Very health conscious. Yep. Very health, more taste conscious.

On the day. I tasted that last night. I need to taste something new. On the day, he's had three quarters of cakes. Yes. Can't have too much pizza. Hey, let's get into it. Let's get after this.

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We've been bringing in the money for the youth centers of Calgary for a cash donation. We'll get your comment shown on the show and money to a great cost. We hit both those bets, by the way, Renton and Mekinnon. Yeah. The under also hit yesterday. Yes, we thought you were jinxing the hell out of it. It was 100% an under game. Yeah.

But I do worry when you... I felt pretty good at, one one, what it was, what, halfway through or whatever. They made it through one and I'm like, one more and boom, it's under. It's cut. There you know, they're going to get some cheap late. Because it was the most under game of all time.

Yeah, very much. Nothing happened. We'll get into it. Caps, flames in a moment, but we need to get to our insider. We're a little late starting today. That's, you know, I apologize for that. But, you know. Do we have a start time, by the way?

Not really. Yeah. So how can you be late? Well, the only reason is because our, our, our, our, insiders here right off to start usually we have a little bit of time to you know this is apologize to him not to us no absolutely now you know what here's the thing remember we we talked about crystal waters and we said it's one of those things of plumbing and heating something happens in your furnace goes down your hot water tank something happens like oh geez now you're scrambling

you're looking for your phone book you know yellow pages yellow pages who do I contact what do I do and I say because we're talking about crystal waters it's front of mine crystal water's plumbing and heating crystal water's plumbing and heating got this message yesterday buddy of ours star Star says I go downstairs. There's water on the floor. Oh shit. Oh, baby. Hot water tank exploded.

Crystal water's plumbing and heating. Front of mind. Bang. Didn't hesitate. Got the number. Called them up. Same day. Look at that.

That's a shiny, spanky new hot water tank from our friends at Crystal Waters plumbing and heating. Is that me? Did that picture? No. Because I got that. Do you have that? I didn't have the explosion.

Well, they've got like thousands and thousands of jobs completed. So I, yeah. 30,000. Yeah, that's over that. Do you think Jack knows of the yellow pages? I was wondering that too. Probably not. I think maybe.

Let your fingers do the walking. Yeah. Remember my dad was like, you should invest in this yellow pages come in. Like, what are you talking about? Have you heard of Google? You're going to lose all your money, you idiot. You might have been right on that one.

Crystal Waters, plumbing and heating. Crystal Clear Calgary. dot com, 403, 219, 4,100. I'm not sure if this guy hot water. Hey, look at them. Knowles, have you heard of the yellow pages? Do you know the old pages there? Yes. I mean, I used to let my fingers

do the walking, but I never, I mean, honestly, I can't remember the last time I used him. You just Google anything or you look him up. I remember, and this is dating myself, do you guys remember Mike Richards? Like, didn't he, didn't he used to read the phone book

like as one of his bits? Yes. Yeah. He did it as. Peter Lombardius. Peter Lombius reads the Yellow Pages. AAR. are dubbing. Yeah. Before, I don't know.

It is. I don't know why. The minute you said yellow pages, I was like, you remember the phone book? Like, what's a phone book? People,

there used to be a phone book. Every year. Now, I felt bad for the postal workers that had to carry them around and drop them off at your house, the yellow pages, and the white pages.

I think it was called the white pages, right? Is that what they were called? Yeah. That was a job. My aunt and actually a guy that I used to work with, both had jobs selling ads for the yellow page. Oh, yeah.

So you'd be in the, some pizza, pizza, pizza. Oh, look, there's a big kind of a quarter page ad for John's pizza. I can see it. Venice is pizza. So you guys talked about, you know, the water and heating and plumbing and all of that stuff. If you have a catchy tune or phone number

and you have some. like it sticks in their mind. That's just what it does. Like it sticks in their mind. I used to deliver pizza pizza in San Albert, Alberta for Bakel Pizza. And it was like you knew the number to it. Or the Chinese food was 426-50-50-if-oh. If you're hungry, call the Lido.

Like it's always these like, it's these jingles that you need. That's what's catchy for people, right? I could still probably rattle off to you. Do you remember this, the old. show it was like it was on cbc the kids show on sunday circle square yeah the circle square ranch i could play still rattle off their mailing address really just because of circle square wants to hear from you so write us a letter here's our address 21 21 station f toronto Ontario and 4 y 2 and 9 or something what i can't tell you i couldn't give you my my kids cell number right now if i

If it was an emergency, I needed to call my kid and didn't have my director. I'd be fucked, but I... I get two numbers at the end of the pulse code. Otherwise, it sounds flawless. Yeah. Yeah, other than that, that's... I think it's an indication how stupid we are, really. You don't need short-term memory anymore, right?

Why would you need short-term memory? It's just everything's in your home. That's true. That is true. Like, you used to remember everyone's number. You'd be a pay phone. You'd have to know the number you were calling. As if I, like, if I'd call D.L.

A number, you'd have that memorized. No, no. Like, I, you know what? like I did just some insurance forms and like the person was like, okay, what's your wife's number? I was like, I had to think. Like I know it. I know it off by heart. But I had to think.

I actually put to put some thought into it was like, oh, okay, yeah. Like it was not like automatic. Yeah. Because you just punch it in your phone. Like you just press that person's name. You don't punch the number in. And you know what I was thinking about too? Because when you were a kid, you knew everybody's phone numbers and knew all that stuff.

Now don't know any of it. Right. What's that pocket of your brain doing now? Because it used to be really good at it. It's like that part of my brain is really good. I'm holding microplastics. Like what is it? You know what it's full of?

It's full of useless information. It's full of useless information. It's full of scrolls on Instagram laughing at, you know, somebody getting hit in the nuts with a stick or something. Like that's what it is. That's what it is. So are you at the casino going to a double down split the eighth? What are we doing?

I'm not at the casino. My son has pneumonia. So he's been home from school all week. I didn't want a bunch of yelling and screaming in the background, so I decided to go get a haircut. So I'm sitting in the parking lot. I'm going to get a haircut after and head right home. So I figured I would drive early, do the show from here,

get my haircut, and head home without my son and the nanny screaming in the background, as I sit in my kitchen, because Jack does not allow me to have anything in the background. that resembles anything that a team I played for or something like that. So I didn't even know the reasoning behind it. But Jack has been bullying me. So I sit in a different spot. He's become a real problem. Now, you didn't get your kids sick because it was it last week we talked and you said,

well. It's like a right of passage nowadays. It's just, you know what? I told you guys, I go on the road to get sick. That way you don't get anybody else sick. How did it worked out last week? Yeah, I mean, I did. I planned a sickness.

I was sick. I was fine. all good. But I've got a scratchy throat now because I've been sleeping with my son. He's been coughing in my face for two days. So it's, it's coming for me. You know, it's coming for me. But at least I can talk right now. I'm fired up about the flames and renting and trade and all sorts of all hell breaking loose. Do you think Dr. Rhett would prescribe you some cheese toast for your sore throat? Would that help? Start with saltwater, gargle. We all do that. That's easy. And And he got a nebulizer with some hydrogen peroxide in there.

Peter Marr always said vinegar. Whenever he was calling games, if he needed to get through it, he'd gargle vinegar or drink it or something, I'm not sure. So my buddy who's a singer, he puts olive oil in water and drinks it on stage, coats his throat, which is crazy. But he said his stomach by the end of the concert is just gross. Like drinking olive oil and water. mixture.

You know what? You love popcorn. Just melt the butter and don't put it on the core. Exactly. Exactly. Just call the concert up. All the butter. Let's go ranting and trade.

It was a stunner on Friday. It's still kind of, especially because I didn't need to make McKinnon matter. There was no such thing as a McKinna cap, or I didn't need to make Leon money. It's all kind of after the fact. But who, I guess who comes away in your mind

the best out of this. And who did it need to happen? Well, okay, so who comes away the best? I still think the jury's out because what's Colorado going to do with the extra money? Right? So, Carolina got the best player. I don't think anybody's

arguing that. But Neshkash is, yes, he's a layer down, but he's not like, he's not a third line pigeon. He's a good player. Jury is going to add depth. But they've also got cap room. So now of a sudden, who are you going to add? Like I kept thinking, and I loved Chris McFarland's comments saying, we're not deep enough.

So they looked around and go, okay, let's look at Dallas, let's look at Winnipeg, let's look at Vegas, let's look at Edmonton. You know, there's some big, big teams out west. And they're going, do we have the depth to challenge them in a seven game series? So, you know, this is also a team that replaced both goaltenders in season. So not shy to swing for the fans this year. Balsy move. You know, they lost the trade on paper because Ranton is the best player. But again, and I'm saying again, and this is getting crazy.

But what if Nate's best friend has had enough in Pittsburgh by March 6th or whatever? You know, what if all of a sudden they can make that? Or what if they start going hunting on teams that maybe drop off? You know, a local team in Calgary. Would they sniff around Nas? Would they be looking at it? Because you can add to this team. So I want to see the finished product

because what they did is give themselves flexibility. Carolina, on the other hand, got the best player. It's apparently Ajo's best buddy, which I didn't know that. So there's another scenario that kind of helps. And he's only technically a rental right now. So now you can, if you're looking at it,

If Ranton goes, hey, we have a deep run or, you know, we don't, I don't like the scenario. He's going somewhere else this summer for a whack of cash. So there's lots of flexibility. Carolina took a calculated risk. It may pay off because they're also taking a look at out east. There's not a juggernaut out there. There's some really good teams, but they're not juggernauts. So everyone you could make a case for, you can make a case for the Rangers getting their act together.

Carolina. You know, who else am I missing? The Leaves. Florida, Sanjana. Tampa. You name it. There's five or six teams out east or more that could do some damage. So I think what Carolina did is said, if it's wide open, why don't we take a swing at this?

Okay. So, you know, obviously Rattan is the best player. Nature just has another year of term. If they like them, they'll deal with that. There's picks involved. Chicago, clear loser. They don't get anything at all basically for Hald nor for the salary retention. but Rattan's basically, he's guaranteed to be a cane for two and a half months.

At what sort of distance into the tournament could you go and say it was worth it? Like is it a finals? Is it just the cup? Is it the conference semis? Do you have to re-sign him to win this deal? Because he's going to be highly coveted. And Carolina has paid no one in the organization market value, including GMs, coaches, Hall of Famers, top defense.

Mancman star forwards. They have not paid market value to anyone yet. Why would they do it now with rent? So here's the other thing. I think they view cap space as a luxury as well, too. So if Randen comes off the cap, then they can try and do it all again this summer. And the only thing I would point to,

which is a unique approach, is look who's driving the bus. It's analytic guy Eric Tulski and Tyler Delo, two analytics guys that, you know, and I say this respectfully to both of them. And I know Tyler a little bit. Yeah, I've worked with him a little bit at TSN and we brought a man and I would say we're friendly. They're not going to do traditional things. They're not going to, it's not about building relationships and that.

I think they're going to punch numbers. I think they're going to look at what's best for their team. And they're going to worry that Rod Brindamore is the guy who builds culture and they're going to stay out of the way. So to me, I think that they've got a plan, B, and C. And if A doesn't work and if they, I don't know, remind me, how far is Carolina gone in this era, the Sebastian Arrow Ajo era? Emmys. Yeah.

Semi. So, okay, so conference final type of thing and, you know, great. So do you view that again as a success or do you have to go to the finals to be a success? Like, I don't know. But I think what they did is they gave up Nesh Cash for Rantanin and to picks and all that. and they go, okay, if it doesn't work, we're going to use that money for somebody else to add into this group. So I can see their logic.

Here I'm going to point out on the Chicago thing that it was a sneaky thing I found out yesterday. They got their own third rounder back. That's for this year. Yeah, but that means they can use it for an offer sheet. Offersheets happen after the draft. So it has to be next year's third for that to matter. So it doesn't, it's not for that then? If it's a 25 pick, it was last summer, you could use it.

Okay, so because that's what somebody told, a scout told, because I was like bagging on Chicago going, why are you like the, you know, the screech guy standing in the corner, you know, when Zach Morris is kissing the hot girl, you're screeching the corner, why are you doing that? And somebody pointed out, well, they got their own pickback. Maybe they use it for an offer sheet. So that's the only logic I can hear on that one.

But, you know, I just want to see the end product with Colorado. And we'll see what happens with Randen, and in Carolina, I still think they need a goalie that they could trust too in Carolina. Freddie's back, but who knows for how long. Yeah, and just to clarify that, so they get the 25 pick back, that draft will have occurred by the time you can offer sheet in one. So that pick doesn't help them. It would help them last summer.

I said 17 days ago when people jumped all over me on social. Otherwise, I wouldn't. So jump all over me. Here we go. That's fair enough. You pass it on. Find the person to sit up to you. Dump on them.

I'll tell you, the thing about Carolina, because I just looked back, they brought in Gensel last year. So they gave up bunting and some prospects in a second and a fifth. Here they get rantan in for Natchez, who clearly they were ready to move on from him to certain degrees for at least a year. They haven't given up a first.

They haven't given up a top prospect, that sort of thing. They're going for it without kind of selling the farm if that make, because I just wouldn't be a tough prospect, but you're right. They're going to have to make a decision on him right away. Yeah, I mean, he's already in his mid-20s. I just mean like that's a value.

just like, you know, bunting was a middle six NHL or not nothing. Yeah. But yeah, they haven't empty the cabinet. But what they did now, remind me was nature's the guy whose dad was a pain in the ass. And yes. So, you know, that was it. Like they probably was like, okay, this guy's not going to be a long term guy. Let's go and upgrade in that position.

And again, bunting, middle six or whatever, they spent money on him. That's all it was. Like it was. So they can go and do that in free agents. see an overspend on somebody else or whatever. I just, I think even though they traded and got the best player, they still have flexibility if Randon doesn't decide, decides I'm going to move on.

Like it just- They can move out of the deadline. That would be insane. Well, the other part is they got a third for Gensel in the end when they traded them to Tampa. It's not a huge return. But they got one of those two picks back that they got rid of. They could do the same with Rantan.

Is their goaltending good enough or do they need to upgrade? I think what they need is health. I've always loved Freddie. I just don't, I don't know where he's at. Freddie Anderson's a good goaltender, a top-tier goaltender. I just don't know. And the other guy, Kachekov, is Dominic Hasek without the saves. And what I mean by that is...

What he plays chess? What he is is, is what I mean by that is he's Hasek-like. He's very erratic in the net, which I respect and I love in that. but he's not Hasek. He doesn't make the saves that Hasek makes. So, you know, I don't know if you can trust him. I always trust goaltenders that make the same save twice. Hunter Halebuck plays the same way whether he allows zero or seven.

I just watch him and I go, that guy's making that save on that shot selection. That's just how he is. When I look at Kachadkov, he might be poke-checking a guy at the blue line and then trying to handle the puck behind. He's got a little Dom in him, which is kind of cool, but I just don't know if it translates to consistency. So getting back to your point, I don't know if they have the goalies to do it,

but if Freddie Anderson's healthy, they do have a guy that is really good. Give us your top three if they do decide they need. Is there guys out there that you think you've got to go after? I think Detroit's got four goalies. I don't know if any of them would be, you know, Steve Eiserman is going to part with them. It's not about acquiring a one. It's acquiring a guy that would play net for you.

Like you go, that guy, like there's, I wouldn't say there's lots of James Reimers out there, a guy that you could grab on waivers or whatever. But it is, there are some goaltenders kind of on the periphery. Like, what's Ottawa going to do with Anton Forsberg? Are they going to keep them if, you know, if Maryland? Like, there is some, there is some flexibility. throughout the league. But they aren't, we're not talking ones.

We're talking guys who have NHL experience. So do you trust that they've put themselves in a position where they're a good team, they got Brindamore, they're always in it, and I'm talking Keynes. You get Rantinan, upgrade, sure, great. Is the go get a good enough? And if you go great a Rimer or whoever, does that put them at the top of the list out east? No, I don't, I can't have a definitive one out east because Washington, all they do is win. So, like, how are we not talking about Washington going, yeah, that's a top-tier team?

I mean, they have the goaltending. I think they're, like, the goal tent, that Logan Thompson, only doesn't stop bucks. Like, it's unbelievable. And then, you know, their defense, I think, I really like what they did. You know, the Sandines come and settled in, you know, going and get a chikrin. You've got Carlson who seems to be ageless. Like, they're, you know, Trevor Van Riemstike, Like they're a solid defensive core and really good. And then they're forwards. Like Washington is deep. Like I liked all their.

Mangia Pani plays like fourth line minutes. Like, you know, that Brandon Du Hames are really nice player, big and me. Tom Wilson is, you know, he's an animal. He's a unicorn. Like, you know, there's Brady Kachuk and Tom Wilson who play on your top line who can beat you up and score. Like there, you know, this Strom has become a player. I look at their team and there's no weaknesses. Now, I don't know if their battle tested that core, that Pradesh is a,

he's a really nice player. You guys saw them last night. Like they're just, they're a good team. I don't know. Are they a juggernaut or are they just the best team in the east? I just look at Florida. Like, are they really flooring it right now or they know they just got to get into the tournament?

They've had the longest two seasons the last two years that have been. No one's played more games in the NHL than them. Like, as if that team doesn't have another gear. I'm sorry. Yeah, they've got another gear. and I think that they'll do something too at the deadline. They always do. So, you know, Florida's, what, one point back of the Leafs

and they've been in cruise control mode. You know, Tampa's the same thing. Tampa pissed away two points last night on Home Ice, but they come back off the road. They've got a long homestand now, so we'll see if they can make up, you know, the seven points that they're back in the Atlantic. But, you know, at the end of the day, like there's, you know,

the Leafs are good. Like, all of these teams are good, but they all have warts. You're right. I still, like, what I bet against, Florida? No. But I think Washington deserves maybe a little bit more praise than people are given them because it's just like, ah, the east is wide open. I'm like, isn't Washington first in the league? Like they win every night, but now people just kind of sleep on them. I just, I don't

know if they're viewed as a juggernaut, but they're, they're really deep. That's kind of the same as, sorry, I was going to say it's the same as Winnipeg. I think we talked about it. Is, are you ready to hang your nuts out and take the Jets as the cup favorite? I don't think so, nor the cap. We've seen that before, though, Dean. We've seen them in first place in January. We've seen them in January in first place in the league. I remember having an argument on my show going to the best team in Canada by far and blah, blah, blah. They barely made the playoffs that year, like, straped in.

Like they, you know, we've seen with Winnipeg, it's like, okay, you've got to show us. That's the same people in Toronto here. Like, yeah, regular season, great. Regular season, go ahead. show us in the playoffs. People in Winnipeg are doing the same thing going great team, started the season 15 and 0. Let's see if you could hold up through a full 82 games and then into the playoffs. I think there's some teams that have that mantra around them and that's why we're looking past them. Okay. So I want to get back to the big trade just because you noted

the analytically driven front office in Carolina. Colorado is very much the same. I've heard a theory and I don't know that it's, I don't know that I believe it necessarily, but I'm curious, when you play next to Nathan McKinnon for the vast majority of your career and you're a very, very good player, is there a chance that another organization might think you're better than you actually are? Like, is there a chance that he's a star, not a superstar? And he's a point per game player, not a point in a quarter. He's a 40 goal guy, not a 50 goal guy when he's not next to McKinnon. And is that where this deal starts to make any sense for Colorado or not? Maybe. I mean, what they, I always do this like levels thing. And I have to show you with my hand, even though I'm holding my, my, uh, phone. Okay. So if Rantanin is here, how far down is Neshkash? Is he just like a step below? Like, because I think what you're doing is you're taking a gamble on the gap. Yeah. That's what you're taking a gamble on is where Rantanin was to Neshkash,

you're looking, can that gap be closed by having depth within the organization? So by getting other players. So you're right. Maybe Rantanan goes, but Rantaninan's going and not playing, you know, alongside a pigeon. Like Sebastian Aho is a really good player. And what you need is maybe Rantan is the finisher that Aho has been looking for. You know, maybe there is that these guys know each other if they're best buddies. Like, you know, they're going to try and make it work.

you know, that's Fetchnikov's a player. Like, they've got some players there. So I don't know if the drop off will be big in Carolina. I understand what you're saying. Now, the counter argument is Zach Hyman went from Austin Matthews to Carter McDavid. So, you know, there was even more that he was able to add on in his career where, you know, Rantan is going from McKinnon to Ajo. If it's a big step down, we'll see if the point production drops off.

Could be systematic, too. Colorado plays a different style. Let's not forget, that's Gail McCar that's giving everybody home run passes and home run plays all the time. Brent Burns is 40. Although he doesn't look at some nights, he's still 40 years old.

So it's a different dynamic from the back end as well. I look at it too. They were without Druand to start the year. He comes back. He's got 17 in his last 19. Chushkin wasn't ready to go. As we know, he's now got 17 and 21. it's like we've got some offense there and it's not like we're deleting ranting and not

putting someone we're going to get some guys but it it feels like it's a care it's easy for carolina to do and i would take ranting and over any of those guys but there's a chance that it really could work out well enough for for for colorado could work out both ways yeah honestly if randon walks and they re-up natures and yeah and like they can win this deal a hundred You know what? I just I just want to go somewhere else because we've talked about this, but you brought it up. What do you think the likelihood is that Crosby could leave Pittsburgh? Because if Sid says he wants to go, you got it. Well, you have to. And you know what? I've been pounding on our insiders to say, you know, where they've been digging around.

Every word out of Pittsburgh is absolutely not, not happening. And I said, okay. You're right. But that's January 25th when this all went down. What if it's March 1st in Pittsburgh's won two of 12? And the futures. Yeah. And Sid is like at a bad point going, okay, if there's a time to move me, it's now type of thing where there is a marketplace or whatever. Like I always just say a giant what if. Like and there's no, and all our insiders would have to go as well, as of January 25th, there was, there was, it was a no-go.

But as of March 1st, yeah, maybe there was a glimmer of hope. So I never say never until, until it's like, okay, past the trade deadline and we told you, he wasn't going anywhere. All right. It doesn't mean that we can't talk about it as pundits and go, hey, you know, what if? There's a giant, what if? That's, we're in the content game. So what if this happened?

It's not, it's not that, hey, I'm not announcing I talk to Sid and Sid told him. That's not the case whatsoever. This is just what if, or could you draw a straight correlation? Now, am I radioing myself? And I'll shut up here in a second. In New York, the minute they traded Truba, they were like, okay, Brady Kachucks the guy because it's $8 million and there it is. And, you know, so there was lots of stupid speculation. Maybe this is stupid speculation, too.

Crosby going to play with his best friend. But maybe it's not. Who knows? What is your interpretation of guys that you've, I don't, did you play with anyone that only played in one's, like one team? Like Eisenman. Okay.

Yeah. Sackett. Okay. But it's, it's very rare. Yeah. And does it matter to, do you know what I mean?

Like, I still remember Rob Ray making the decision to go to Ottawa. And the decision was, they didn't have to trade them. It was up to him. Do you want to go to Ottawa to try to win a cup? Or do you want to stay a saber for life? He wanted to go.

a cup. Now, Sid's won cups, but I don't think the winning of a cup takes away from you're wanting to win another. You know what I mean? You're right. You're right. I think it comes down to his headspace and what he wants to do in this year, next year, in the following. Because Sid's a lifer. I feel like he's going to play until he's 40. You know, and to me, he's, you know, his play hasn't really dropped off. He's, you know, he's not the problem. Pittsburgh has problems. He's not one of them. He can help solve the problems. You get a haul for that guy, right?

I agree. It's just my biggest thing is it depends on the scenario. You know, I thought Brett Hall was going to be a St. Louis blue forever. Goes to Dallas. You know what I mean? I think then he'd go to Detroit, too. Then Detroit, Dallas and Detroit, yeah. I mean, I thought Iggy was going to be a flame forever.

All of a sudden, like, he's playing in L.A. or something. Then he'd play in L.A. for a couple of Congress. Yeah, Colorado, Boston, Pittsburgh, L.A. Yeah, like, you know, so, like, you know, you're chasing. it by the end. It depends. Now, Iggy was different because he, he wanted the cup and all of that, and I get it. And he had people that were calling in him and saying, hey, you know, come join us. Like, he's a coveted person. But I played with guys where I thought they would be life for us forever. And it changes. So that's what I guess comes back to my point. January 25th, it could be an

absolute no on anything. March 1st, it could be different. Never know. And there's another layer to it. Pittsburgh needs to do something. I'm just looking at their roster. I mean, Sid's 37. Like you said, he's got 53 points and 52 games. He's having a hell of a year. Still playing. Rust is 32. Malcon's 38, 31, 32. They're an old team that is not in the playoffs.

It would make, if only it would make hockey sense, it's good for depending what the return would be, but the abs could use them. And Pittsburgh needs to start redoing this. They'd also run out if they moved them. You'd get a top five pick and a huge haul for Sid and finally you can start rebuilding

I'd worry about the fan base because that would be a heart punch and you still got to sell tickets. I don't think Pittsburgh's a market that's home and cooled and is an easy sellout every night because then Malkins leave. Everyone's going to go. Yeah. Man, man. Well, what happens if they stay and leave? Well, they all have a couple of years left on their deal. That's the thing.

You know what I mean? It's a slow death, though. It's a slow death. Like what you're watching is, it's like, you know, a slow, painful death. Like, you know, like Kyle Dubas went and got Kevin Hayes. He's like 32 years old. I know. Like, it was like, all right.

Are you not trying to retool and get younger on the fly? I guess that is getting younger, relatively speaking. But it's, it just, you know, there's some moves there where it's like, okay, don't really understand it. But I understand you're trying to do everything to appease the owners, appease Sid and, and crew. But at some point. The reality sets it. Kyle Dubus will at some point get the go ahead from ownership to go, blow this thing up, garage sale, pennies on the dollar, you're going to use the cab space, and you're going to flush everybody out.

And I don't know what that's going to look like. I don't think it's going to be this March, but I would argue that you probably could start at this March because I don't think they're a playoff team. Because waiting is only going to extend the pain. Waiting is the worst. We saw it here with Jerome, and then it was. I wonder if Sid was to go and ask the, get some adieu. advice from Mario Lemieux. You were a one team guy. You won the cups. You didn't need to do more winning. So different though to me. Mario was hurt and Mario. Yeah, but just, just in terms of,

because he would have life experience to be able to look back. It's not the end. A lot of guys do it. A lot of guys even play for other teams and it's not as though they're, Mario couldn't because they owed him so much. It's not as though their careers are tainted. No, but I think that, you know, you're on to something. Even you go for a blessing. You're going to the dawn. You're going to the dad of the organization because Sid or not because Mario is and always has been Pittsburgh. So you're going and asking advice and saying, what should I do here? That's probably more what you would do if you're Sidney Crosby as you're talking to your family.

You're talking to people that you respect. Mario Lemieux, I believe Sid lived with them when they first got. So like that would be that would be a mentor. slash friend that you go, what do you think I should do here? And that's just a candid over a beer conversation. It's not like, I need to do something tomorrow. It's like, if you're in my situation, what would you do? You know, because you're right, he's had the same type of success as Mario as far as cups and all of that type of stuff. Well, keep in mind, here's the other thing. The Olympics are around the corner too. Now, Sid, I think puts himself in the best scenario to play in,

you know, the Olympics, you know, we'll see what this other five, four nation, whatever this thing is coming up here next month. You know, like he's obviously going to be an impact player. But he might get the juices going again. Like actually in February might get that competitive juices to go, got to be nice to play in the playoffs too. You know, that might have a little bit. That's where on a Tuesday anymore, does it?

Exactly. And the other thing is, too, it might be one of those things for CIS. Like, would you ever go anywhere? And it might be, well, I would, I'd maybe go to. to Colorado to play with Nate, but they don't have cap space and they don't have a need. They're not in a playoff position or that sort of thing. There's a lot of, we can see whatever we want.

But you can align a lot of the stars as to why this would make a lot of sense for both sides and for a lot of people. Yeah, I agree. I think, but I also think as fans, this is a hockey fan. Like that, that jarred me on Friday night. I'm like, wow, is that? Like at first you're like, okay, is this, a fake account on a count on Twitter and you're going, okay, who broke it? What's going on?

Starting to dig around. Then I'm waiting for internal emails, you know, for confirmation. And of course it happens. It's almost like a news dump on Friday night, right? And nobody's on air or whatever. So it's just, it was great though. Like this is great for the league. I live in Toronto. Nobody's talking about Mitch Marner's situation, which is crazy. You know, like it's, Mitch Marner is going to be an unrestrictive free agent this summer if he does. sign an extension. The difference is he has a no move clause. He controls basically the whole narrative.

But still, ranting and going probably should start, you know, some other organizations. What are they going to do in Vancouver? Patterson and Melancholy. I want to ask you about that. Rutherford has that conversation.

Are you cool with that conversation? And are they going to get rid of both? First and foremost, how awesome is Jimmy Rutherford? like this isn't 10 years later him going yeah we had a problem with two players he's talking about it right now going we got a problem with two players they can't seem to get it sorted out like it just i think rutherford is like you know he's he's like i don't know he's a guy who's seen it all done at all so he just doesn't care like he's like yeah i get it we're going to have to sort this out i don't know what you do with both like to me j t miller seems like a hardened demanding teammate and Edison seems like a guy who's fragile. And if they don't mix, and again, there could be something way more to this. We don't know.

But the other thing I would say, if you're trading J.T. Miller or you're trading for him, you better damn well know what he left the team for a month for. You guys have a strong room to bring that guy in. Let's be honest. Well, and if he left for any type of reason, whether it's a family member sick or mental health or whatever, or whatever it's been framed, you better know that that if that could also come back, right? Like if you're trading or give up a King's Ransom for him, you better, you're right, have a strong room, but you also better understand that that that could happen again if there's

something that, you know, I'm not privy to the information. If there's something that could crop up again and he would have to leave your team. Yeah. But I'm with you. We talked about it yesterday. I can't believe Rutherford. It's amazing. went public with them.

I love it. And I'm not crushed them because we always do that. Nobody ever said anything and then they say something and you hammer them. I love it. But to your point, it's like, yeah, that year in Vancouver,

we really had an issue in the room. Oh, that's today. Right now. It's right now. And he's basically saying like we know we might not get full value for these guys because everybody knows it. But then so maybe they decide,

you know what? We're going to keep it in house the rest of this year. we'll deal with them in the off season. Like, I don't know, because if there's not the right dance partner out there for, who's got the cap room to take 11.6 right now? That's Pedersen's cap hit. Not a good team. Well, that's what I'm saying, unless it's a team that is looking for a shakeup.

Like, if you're the Rangers looking for a shakeup or for your, I don't know, I just, it'd be interesting to see, but I, it's, you know, Jimmy Rutherwood, I love the guy because he just is shooting from the hip saying, And this is what our situation is. We're going to deal with it. So be interesting to see how they deal with it. And then the other rest of the house of cards is you've got best. There's a you this summer.

No one's talking about that. Demko's a year, a UFA in two summers. Yeah. Win in three. Like this has the potential to go full nuclear. Or maybe it's one deal. The room men's back together and they start looking like the team last year that won the division. I wonder what their thoughts are like Rutherford and Alvine ownership towards Rick Talk.

it doesn't have an extension you're you're a great coach but why is this happening on your watch can't you straighten this out you're what great leader and one of those guys in in your playing days yeah but can you lead can you can you lead the way that he might want to lead you know what i mean like can you if exactly can you have cross-faced chicken some chicken wing somebody and say get your head out of your ass especially if that's if that's you know part of the problem is there's fracture or fragilness or whatever. Like it's just a different world. So I don't think you can have the Iron Fist approach.

You can have the honest approach and honest conversations. But this isn't, this isn't Rick Tonket. If anything, maybe it leads to, he had a great season last year because he was able to keep all of that nonsense together. That's really what it, you know, you've got to look at it a different way is I think he's a great coach and great person and he deserves an extension. and maybe he deserves a purple heart

for keeping this mess together for a long time. Doing what they did last year. And look, like, when you look at the players, who aligns with Rick Talkettmore? It's not even close. It's the way J.T. Miller goes, you don't like me, fight me in practice. And so then the team immediately is saying,

okay, we don't want to move Pederson. Let's move Miller. Like, I wouldn't be surprised at all philosophically talk it and the front office want to do different things. If I'm doing it, I'm getting rid of both. At this point, it makes sense, yeah. It's a spicy meatball because what do you get in back?

You know what, though? You just said, Rantan may not re-sign in Carolina, but you have cab space. You're right. You're right to cap state. Keep in mind, Quinn Hughes should be up for the heart. You're wasting this guy's. But that's why I would dump these guys and be like, F you, I get, but sometimes you cut bait. Yeah, I get it.

Here's the other thing. The counter argument to that is what if Patterson is just, we'll call it slightly immature, and a year from now, the light goes on and he grows up. You're not finding it out in Vancouver because the rest of the guys know his approach and their interactions of what's going on in that room. It's not right. And they're not rallying behind. And what the F did he do last year in the playoffs?

He put on his pouty pants and didn't show up. Yeah, no, you're right. You make a great point. I see a lot of people pointing to Jack Eichael saying, what if he becomes Jack Eichael? He does. But that's the scary part if you're Vancouver going. You still have to move on and make the next good best move that you can.

Okay, but has Buffalo recovered from some of these moves that they... Jack Eichael staying in Buffalo doesn't mean that the Buffalo Sabres were going to win the Stanley Cup. Jack Igo went to one of the best teams in the league and won a Stanley Cup. It has nothing to do with Buffalo. They moved in. They made an immature decision because they're going to win. wouldn't let him get his fucking neck fixed. And they lost, and let's not forget, they didn't want Jack Eichel to begin with.

They threw in the towel on seasons to go get McDavid. They had a cup. Like, it's, oh, I get it. I'm just saying, rumbling around. It's not a straight line. No, I agree. And if you're right, Jack Eichel doesn't deliver the cup. We lost.

Up in here. I opened the door by accident. So I was saying, Jack Eichael doesn't deliver the cup, but it makes that, that organization look a lot better down the middle. That's my point is it's revisionist history because we can go, you know, they gave up on Reinhardt and Montour and all of these things. I get it.

You know, the goalie. Well, Zolmark was there, right? I would like to be regarded as the worst organization. Like, do you believe that you're going to muddle and MF all this stuff up continually like the Buffalo Sabres? Like that's 14 years. They haven't been to play. So if you're comparing yourself, if you're saying, hey, Jim, you're the shit and you're not going to be able to operate well, then fire Jim too because like.

Yeah. They'll get it done. I just. You want to be comparing yourself to. You're right. But they'll get it done. I just, it's very interesting because these are big decisions and they are going to be decisions that take your your organization. into a crossroads, you know, one way or the other, right?

So you can't just make a knee-jerk decision because you don't like what you saw this week or whatever. You've got to figure it out. And because these are all organizational altering decisions that you could have ramifications for years if you don't get right. Your hands is also organizationally altering because you haven't done anything.

You let it faster. Right? And we got to let you go, go get your haircut. You look terrible. I want you to get in there. I know. They get a hairpiece. I got to get my hairpiece done.

All right. Yep. All right, guys. Someone on your head. Let's go. Exactly. The dead cat. You're supposed to bury it,

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The other option you've got is if you can find a deal that you can live with with Miller, you do have two months to say, do they rally around Elias, or is it the same bullshit? Yeah, yeah. To sit back and say we're going to get max value and we're going to play slow and maybe hope for this.

Jim Rutherford and Patrick Lovian, they can do whatever the F they want, but it sure seems like, you know, like he's like, wow, you don't want to rush this. They haven't rushed. They're talking in public about this.

Like, it's not even a past tense. Yeah, like this is, this is so bad. That's, it's the divorce, the papers haven't been signed. Well,

and it's, it's been in front of all of our eyes all season. Yes. It didn't just start this. No, the playoffs last year. This goes back to last year. They knew this was a thing. And then,

You go to the playoffs, you go to round two. You're so close to advancing the Western Conference final. Well, we're going to have to make it work. We got a good team here. Yeah, there's a bit of some friction between some of the leaders in the room. But you know what? We're too good to blow it up. We've got to make this thing work.

Then you take some wins away, and then all of a sudden you're fucked. And now the coach is like, am I better serve being here or elsewhere? He'd be a very attractive head coaching candidate if he becomes a free agent. If Dempco and Hughes are really good, that team is attractive. Besser, if Pedersen and those, I don't know if you'd love. of Besser or not, the guy can score. I like Bester, but he's a free agent in the summer. He might just look and say, give me out of this mess.

What am I resounding with? I don't know the coach. I don't know what you guys. If you clear the room out, maybe the mess isn't the mess. Like you have Demco and huge. It's not like that team is devoid of any talent if, if Miller and Pedersen aren't there. To me, they're not contributing in an impactful way anyway.

All Miller's a battler. And I don't see either one of them stepping up. and carry, you know what I mean? So this is why it's so fascinating to me, because you can build the case that they address this and return to contender status. And they won the division last year. It's not a dramatically different roster.

Sure, there's a Lindholm out in a Nebraska. Pedersen wasn't helping them in the process. And so that's the, that's the, you know, it could be that good. And it could also be so bad as trade them both. Bester says I'm out of here. Coach says, bleep this. Demco's up in two years, says, I'm done.

get me out of here and Quinn Hughes says, well, I'm not hanging for a rebuild. Like, they're very dramatically different outcomes. This could go nuclearly bad, and I still do believe this team, if they get the shit to there, could compete. Like, it's, I don't know that you see many teams with these outcomes this wide, that the highs and lows so far apart. Yeah, I, competing with these guys sounds like, well, you have to make a deal. You got to move Miller.

Like, could you get a first for Miller from Dallas? I don't know. Could you spin a first and get another player that, helps you this year. That's what they did with Bo Horvatt, but it's a different situation. Bo was younger and the contract didn't feel his owner's. They didn't want to give them the new contract. And saying just dump these guys, they're going to have some sort of plan.

There is free agency in the off season. Vancouver is not, it might not be in everyone's top 10 list. It's not an undesirable place to go play. Like it's, it's very well. There's just so many loose ends. It's wild. There's so much good. It could go so many different ways.

Their next game will be game 50 of the season. Nashville tonight. You're well into this bad boy. And they got Dallas. Yeah. And still. One point. They have nine home wins.

And again, they missed Demko for what, three months? Well, I, and that, like, my, my thoughts on the whole team is it's nothing to do with any of the rest of it. But is Demco. That, that to me is, is the big. question get rid of those guys if dem goes if he's an elite goal yes you like what are we talking are you a top five because if you are everything is all fine we're in good shape yeah if you're not that's the fear i i peterson and miller sure great but why what's so great about peterson and miller they're too old but miller's too old and peterson's too soft so oh well it was a change of scenery he's

going to get better yeah but if he doesn't get to change of scenery he's not going to to get better. You're right, though. If Demko is legit, their best two players are Hughes and you're in great shape. And it's not, and it's not been a good year for Demco, albeit small sample. He's hardly played, yeah. 3.47 goals against 867. That's the bigger issue. 10? 12 starts, 3, 5 and 3. So you're going to give him, he's hardly played. Like, what was it? It was the last week of the regular season last year. They basically shut him down earlier than that. It's been ages. Regardless, huge question. That's huge question. What is you this year? Oh, well, he might go somewhere

ever else and play good. Well, and? Yeah, what's the worst is that ordinarily Pender would be reveling in this, but he's planted his flag in this, their good take and you can't let it go now. I've also said this could go nuclear and like throw them into it. I haven't heard you say I burned the downtown set it on fire in months. Like that was every nine, ten days.

So if what I just said a minute ago comes to fruition, which is you trade both, Bester says, I'm out of here. Those are my boys. And then Quinn Hughes is two years away and says, screw this, Demko's gone. There won't be a city left to burn. Okay.

Like it's, you know what I'm saying. I do. You are, it was just, it was right. I literally talked about them. In your six shooter,

there was, you know, there was some great, backpack was jam. Yeah, I mean, and the set, Jim betting hurts.

The city on fire was one of your, we lost Jim. Greatest hits. Oh, but you can't really jump in over that. No, you can't. I think that maybe has to be.

That's what is, Dean, I'm sensitive to. Is that you? Yeah, that's me. Yeah. Jackson.

public pain about it last night. Yeah, yeah. The sit conversation is, is enjoyable too. So to me, that's a conversation that will happen, but has not yet

and will not even be broached. Do you think Sidney Crosby in the middle of a season that isn't written off yet? He is no, no, no. He, like, you see the pregame video. He still has the robot laser eyes.

When it's March, you have to have that conversation. Yeah. Because he's not quit on the year. You watch him play? He's like, I will carry. your asses to the playoffs.

They are second to last in the east. We're going to get there. How many points out of the playoffs? Six, seven, eight? He's like, we can do that. We can do that. I don't get why he would extend then. This is why I hated the extension of you guys killed me for.

He signed up to his shitty team. Yeah, so he knew that. So why would he want to leave? That's what I don't. That's the part I don't. Because maybe he believes so hard he thought they didn't suck. He might not want to leave. With this could all be conjecture.

That's a big word, Jack. Conjecture. Am I saying it right? Yeah. I'm glad you're sitting down, though. Yeah. So he might not want to leave. This is us being,

trying to assume that we know what the F's going on in Sidney Crosby's mind. He may indeed be a one jersey player and say, I'm married to all this, good or bad. I've got my three rings, but God, the fire still burns when you watch and play. Don't give me this shit.

He doesn't want to leave. What a bunch of shit that is. That's right. He's a hard. and solar, guys. He scored 20 goals in his lifetime. That's right. Okay, we haven't talked about the game that was played here last night.

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need a lawyer for whatever it is cloud law it's right there mccloud dash law dot com they will help you get through whatever it is that you need getting through. The Flames lose by a score of three to one last night against the Washington Capitals, who yes, improved to 34, 11, and 5. They're very good. But I wonder if you were to sit down with somebody who didn't have any preconceived notions or whatever and just watch this game,

one of these teams is tied for top spot in the league, the talk of the league. the other team is scrapping to try and hold on to a playoff spot was it clear cut it was not a lopsided game i didn't think washington because i was watching because he's like so what's so good about washington okay well what are they doing well you know what they back check they're committed to to going hard both ways and they're on the puck and that i guess the goaltender's very good but there's no not special there's no secret saw ovi of course but there's no superstars.

There's nothing. You can miss the playoffs with that group with a different coach and a different system. It feels like it. 100%. They're not overflowing

with talent, but that's why Spencer Carberry is the biggest favorite to win any award in the NHL this year. Like that, this is absolutely system structure, work ethic and goaltending.

It's another game where... I like their lineup, though. They got size. Yeah, there's some nice pieces, but there's no, how many superstars are there? Nope.

And Ovi's, what, 36 or seven? Yeah, the coach has got them. It's a winning formula for what they are. They work. It's not like Colorado, hour down four or nothing, we'll turn it up against Buffalo and win this.

No, they can't play that way. God. No. They are opportunistic. I mean, they, if there's a turnover,

they come hard with speed and transition, and you look at the goals that they scored. One's a five on three. One Weiger puts it right in the guy's stick. And the other one, Backland falls into fucking Coleman, and then it's a breakaway for Poitras or whatever his name is.

Did you enjoy Tyson Barry? getting lapped on the foot raised the poor guy. Protis could move. It's not a shot at Tyson. Protis is a, he's a beast. Yeah, a man of that size

and he's like, oh, tail lights, see ya, okay. Yeah, I would also expect my captain not to turn the puck over. Yeah, but anytime he makes a mistake

to crush him, everyone makes mistakes. Ah, he was terrible last night. Weiger had another couple of mistakes. Like, look, you play a lot on a team like this? There's going to be some highlight rules the other way. So yeah,

they're opportunistic. They're a team that plays, they play to their strengths. that's yep there's nothing real there's no it's not it's not of you know what kind of is almost a template for the flames isn't it moving forward strong goalie drafting late in the first round effort developing guys well like we don't have stars but it's structure work ethic goaltending and like don't swing and miss even if you're picking later in the first round yeah they do score goals though that's the only thing the flames don't have going for them it's not now but

They haven't graduated these kids. They just drafted. I know, but what's going to happen to the rest of the year? It's easy to say, well, we're going to get more guys and score more goals a year or two down the, but this year? No. Like, they want to make the playoffs. Yeah, they're going to grind their way in. Yeah.

That's what they're going to try to do. And they played the two top teams, the last, I mean, Winnipeg, like you said, flames were right there, like the effort. But Winnipeg was in control of that game. Third game in four nights, scheduled loss. Yeah. You look pretty darn good for a third and four. I'll tell that. Last night.

back at home, like the lot of the game, like the effort. Can't score. Can't score. Now, is that the opposition, the goaltending? Probably all the other. And again, then you also just played the third from bottom team in the league in the NHL and they were kind of right there with you too. But we just said that about Washington. They're not. Yeah. It's the NHL.

First place doesn't beat last place seven to one. No. Just because. No, but it isn't also, this isn't last year's Rangers that won the present's trophy. This isn't the Florida Panthers. This isn't the Oilers. This is not a Dallas team. This isn't Vegas. Like the team at the top is not the best roster. It's not even close.

No. They've just had the best. They're playing the best team. Yeah. So I don't know. Do you take much encouragement that you hang with Washington? Like, sure. I just think that the obvious stuff for the flames, if you're analyzing what they don't

score. Yeah. Again, they don't score. Washington gets to three and you're like, oh. Lomburg has a breakaway, doesn't score. Who else had the breakaway chance? Like they don't score. Barry puts one off the crossbar.

Yeah. They get one goal. I'm just curious what, are they okay with it? Like, do you step back and take a rational thought or point of view and go, oh, two top teams? Yeah, we didn't score much, but whatever. They're going to play Anahom, and I think, you know,

the last time I'm getting it over time to win. I think they can win and lose, I guess, any team in the league, this group. They really can. I know, but if you make a train, like we're talking about speculating on trades, should we be speculating on the flames trying to bring in someone to help them with scoring if they believe they're a playoff?

They will, but they won't until March. If they're in it in March, I think they will. Boy, that's dicey. Yeah, but it's also Connie just saying, look, I want to, this group's deserved help, but I don't want to go add a guy watch you lose five in a row, and then we finish in the bottom 10 anyway,

and I lost the pick. Trade him again. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I don't know. But I think they're going to use all the time they have to evaluate before they decide whether to buy yourself because it's a rational thing to do you don't want to take the wind out of this team's sales but you also don't want to push chips in on a group that's just old and can't score i agree

with you but i'm not i'm not the gm of the team i think that's absolutely what he's going to do i think you could add without mortgaging or getting i mean too far away from what your overall plan is give an example we're building it use one pick to get a player what how high of a pick like a second yeah not a first. A second for a guy that has. Can you pull up the list of picks they have in the next yeah. I was just doing that. I don't know. It's also contingent on what the player is. Totally. Because I think it's easy to say that and but again once we say here's the name, here's the picks. It's like, ooh, I like that or geez, that seems expensive. I don't know. I mean, I think if you're three points into a spot in March, I think they will. Let me ask you. Maybe you're

not three. Wow. That's a silly. If you're one out, I'm less keen on. I know. If you had added a guy, you might have a point or two more. You might have four more points, which changes the, right? Like, that's the problem with the slow play. Two first this year. You don't know whether it's your own. Okay. But.

And Devils or Florida and Devils two seconds this year and then two first next year. You're not swimming in first and seconds beyond just this year. But and you've also drafted a lot of guys. Yeah, but keep doing that place. Yeah. Especially if you have classes like last year's class. You might be able to move one of those guys. You could do something.

You've got two thirds next year. Can that get you an upgrade on hands? or mere amount of it better. That's an area I'd go. The identity of this team is what we just talked about with Washington. It's going to be goal tending and structure and work ethic. If you could add another ball type or just a competent top four guy that is hard to play against for other teams and create chances, that's going to allow this team to go in sort

of the 04 mold of like, you might out play us a little, but we got the better goalie and we're going to work our tails off. I don't think adding an enigmatic score is going to work with this culture as easily as a defensive defense of them that plays top four minutes because you're squeezing in Barry Miramanov or Hanley every single night in the top four and they're not those guys they just aren't.

I think I told you guys what Robert Munich of flamesnation.ca said yesterday about the Germany. Yeah. Oh, tell me. Regarding Brandon Saud. Now he's out there. You have cap space. He's on waivers.

He had 26 goals last year. year. Did you get last year's version? That'd be nice. What did Bob say? Bob said he was in favor of it. Oh. Then you try and.

But he's German. You can make a push this year. You do the same thing next year. That doesn't happen. Put him in a position to get some numbers. Trade him. Or it's just he has for the math. I don't know.

32 to me is. It depends on the player. Yeah. Again, if you're a GM, you do your homework. You talk to your medical guys. You look at his records. You watch the tape. You check into the data about his skating speed.

like is there a significant physical drop off here or is this just a bad year? Yeah, he's got seven goals after a 26 goal season last year. Seven is not bad in the flames lineup. There's a new coach who, I would, that's just the guess is that there's some fit that isn't there between the two. If you want to add to some potential offense, there's a way to do it for free aside from Doe. Ryan doesn't like Ryan's not going to like it unless he's 22. No, no, that's not. If he had one year, if this is the last year of his deal, I'm totally warm to this.

it's just you get into the summer you got all this cap space and geez let's go up some fun and do some things and it's like oh fuck we got one where you're sad like I just when you see guys go 31 32 I'm not expecting 33 I just I'm more worried about 33 so why at 31 could he score 26 but not at 32 well look I'm not saying he can't score more than seven but I mean how old were you when it changed

when you couldn't do your job the way you always could I was done at 33. So this is the fear. But I didn't take any. At some point, sod will be too old. And I'm not saying that's now, but my fear is that if it's anywhere in this contract,

this isn't a good move for the Flann. I'm not saying that this is the perfect answer. This is a flawed player who's old. If you want to try and get some more offense, you want to help your team or give the team the perception you want to help your team if you're convoy. Yeah. Here's a guy for free.

here's a guy that has scored recently. I don't think that his cap hit is going to really, like go and do a bunch of stuff. They never do. Like when's the last time they've always been a cap team until this year? So I disagree with it. Whoa. They're right up against the cap last.

Okay. I know, but that doesn't mean that. So just because we have it now doesn't mean, oh, geez, like they're going to always have $20 million. No, they aren't. They're going to pay Zary this summer. They can potentially lock in Wolf this summer. They're going to have to pay Peltja this summer.

They're going to pay Coronado this summer. You know they're going to add another defenseman this summer. They're probably going to try to add another math to type forward this summer. Sodge shouldn't be a top priority here. It sounds like a lot of muck anyway. Which, all the first rounders are resigning? Well, no. Like, you could take a cut at a real player here this summer.

That's the point. I'm getting at. Especially if we all are convinced that Wolf's good. That's all I'm saying is when you say using all this cap space. On what? And who's coming as a free agent? I mean, you're in a position to pay. That's the thing is that no.

You just said we're not in a position. We can't waste it because we sign it. We've got to sign all these guys. No, what I'm saying is if you just bring sod in, that limits your ability to spend the summer. Okay. By $4.5 million.

Look, I mean, sod might help. I don't trade. Like, if you had to put money down today, who would you bet could score more between now and the end of the year? Sod or Kuzmenko in this lineup? I'm not arguing for sod.

I'm just. I know. But let me flesh it out. I'm arguing for an actual guy that you can help you. And I made a snarky comment about it before Christmas as a bullshit something to talk about. Yeah. It's kind of played out. I truly believe it now it's easy.

Well, we get another score. We're going to have more points. Yeah. Well, you should. Does it add up? Like if he. You get two or three more points? And if you miss the player.

because you wanted to wait and see and you missed by two points. Is that the right approach? Well, we didn't get there. We waited. We were being patient and... You just don't know what those guys cost. That's the challenge.

It's easy to say, go get Zegris. And then you pick up the phone and Verbeek wants two first. Like, fuck, no, we can't do that. What are you talking about two first? But that's like, oh, just add the young center. Like, literally day one of Connie's job, he said that. He hasn't done it yet.

It's not easy to do. They're not just hanging around. But yes, if you could, you'd be better now in the standings. Who does the most... I'm absolutely curiosity. Who do you think is the most active GM team out there? Vegas? Calls or actually doing deals?

Doing shit. Not being afraid to try. He's always calling everyone, but he's always second place. Yeah. I don't know. That's a good question. Vegas, right?

Vegas does a lot. Colorado? Yeah. Or not Colorado. Carolina. And Avalanche, yeah. Like, to me, it's Vegas and Carolina. You look at the abs all of a sudden.

And it's like Johansen and Johansson out, Middlestad in Byram out, this deal. They've been busy. Yeah, especially for a group that has a core that just want to cup three years ago. Yeah. The point I'm getting at is that we all, there are rewards for being patient with things. But there's also rewards for going about it differently and going, no, I don't want. Yeah. We're here to let's go.

Yeah. And interestingly, I bet if you look at the rosters at the end of the 22 season, that was the Battle of Alberta series, no one would have more turnover than the flames. You got three guys left. Coleman, Backland, Vlodar. Yeah. And Anderson, excuse me. But those were not.

That's not guys that had term that you decided to shift. I agree. That wasn't building. That was dismantling. I bet you that is a league low, though. You only have four guys. Absolutely. But my point is more on the who's out there actively trying to make their team better

more than Vegas or Carolina. We know Jim Rutherford's the cowboy. There's obviously a lot of. Yeah, he did. We talked about that. But like, that's it. We know that New York. York's a spot where the GM's probably very busy.

Probably, but isn't. Like last year they weren't. Deadlines cause action. That's typical hockey action. I'm saying who are the teams? Vegas is always involved in doing deals. They're making things. Their quietest year was like adding barbachev for a second who's turned into a

really good player. And it was Hannahfin and Hurtle last year. I'm just wondering if there's an argument to be made on, no, Let's, it's in front of us right now. Let's deal with it and get going. If you're a good dealmaker and you win most of your deals, I'd encourage you do deals all the time. The opposite is also true.

But you're, if you're going to, misconception, not misconception. It's true. But that's, that's trying to paint the picture that you're going to win every, in every opportunity. If I resign a guy,

if I trade a guy, if I bring in a free, you're, you're trying to say that you have to win in, every one of those rounds. You're not going to and nobody ever has. Correct. So if I said that Kelly McCriman can win 65% of his deals and Brad Trillivin won 45 and I'm just making up numbers here, would you encourage Kelly to try to make more deals than

Brad? I would. That's kind of more what I'm thinking. Yeah. The other thing is too is I think Kelly McCriman has the faith of his owner. A lot of GMs are probably paralyzed a bit by fear of losing their job. Or the owner's meddling. If I shit the bed on this trade, I'm probably out. And I'd like to not be out. So we're just going to sit time. But that's self-serving politicians. That's what that is again. That's what these exact same thing is there. I'm not going to do anything. I'm going to sit

in my hands and not I've been voted in or I've got this job. And I'm not going to accomplish anything. I'm just. I, yeah, we can't always look at these things in a vacuum because if Kellan McCormick is the GM of Winnipeg, does he look as good? Probably not. You don't know. You're not getting, well, you're not getting Ikeled to show up. My point is my ball. You're not getting Petrangelo.

Like you probably hang on to guys. You're not as cut through. You're right. And different. All these situations are very different. And for some guys, taxes matter. For some guy, weather matters. And for some guys, their wives,

that's to be happy. And there's a big city. And other guys that's winning. It's the blend of all these things. They got a lot of those boxes checked in Vegas right now. They do. So it's probably one of the better spots to be a GM. Hard to argue that.

So as far as this team here, they struggle to score. And that doesn't seem like it's, going to end anytime soon. No, and they tend to get really good goal tenning, and that probably won't either. And that's what's keeping them right on this interesting spot, one point into the playoffs above the first team out and five points out of a top 10 pick. And that's about where they've been for the last month for so long now.

Yeah. And again, I don't think we're going to get clarity in two weeks. You'd hope by March 9 and 7th, whenever the deadline is that Connie has more clarity than we do now, because you can spin it either way pretty easily. They can't score. They're not good enough. They're an injury away from trouble. What clarity are you looking for?

Well, if you're five points out in March, it's really easy. So if you're five points in and March, it's really easy. That's clarity. It's be in and out, out, don't be within one point of course. It has nothing to do with how you teach. It's March 1st is the only thing that's giving you clarity. No, it's the deadline. It's not clarity that you know what your team is by March 1st.

It's clarity that it's. What if it's three, not five? Like one winner loss. Oh, yeah. If it's the exact same. It's not binary. It's a scale, right? But I just think Craig Conner is going to be.

What if you haven't done anything to help yourself and you could have? Absolutely. What if you're not, you believe. Because that's what we won't do. And I don't want to be, sorry, Ryan, but I don't want to.

What we won't do is go, Jesus, too bad Conroy didn't add a guy in January that could score. Yeah, you can spin it the other way. Let's say you do add and you miss anyway. Jesus, we should have sold Anderson in January when you could have got this hole.

You can still sell March 1st, but you're not going to give you. It's not going to give you more clarity if you don't do something. You just have a greater assurance of what this group is. You don't know what this group is? Well, you have an idea, but you don't know how healthy you are and you don't know what your needs are in March. It can be drastically different than right now. So you're going to tell me there's like, what do you mean?

So is Gary back in March? That's an important factor for me. For sure. If he's not, it's even more important to go fucking get someone. Totally agree. How healthy you're in the blue line? That matters. Where are you in the standings?

That matters. Is Dustin Wolf still playing, you know, elite? What I want to understand is, are you going for the playoffs or not? Are you going to just? I think they'll make their minds up in March. I really do. As silly as that might sound to you to not make up your mind now because it's, but I don't think they're going to rush a team that just isn't that good,

but I also don't think they're going to tear down a group that's played above, I guess, their expectation. You're not wrong. It's conversation. I understand the frustration, but I do believe that's what they're going to do, is just sit and wait and let the team signal for them. I just feel like this is, you're going to be where you are.

Probably. You're going to be a couple points in or out. It's the most likely spot. And if a two, if a two point either way is going to completely change your philosophy, find that kind of hard to believe. It wouldn't completely, but it would,

you know, everything's on the spectrum. It's not trade or don't trade. But that's kind of what you're, how you're shaping it. If you're five points in or five, like, yeah,

10 points is a big gap. So five into five out is a huge difference in philosophy. If you're three out versus five, we just decided that we believe will be in a similar spot. So don't give us the 10 point swing because that's not the conversation we're having. If they're 10 points out of a playoff spot,

yeah, real easy. Very easy, yeah. But we don't believe that will be the case. So I'm, right? Like, so give us an answer for now. So just still wait? So if they're one point on March 7, let's say, they're one point above Vancouver for the final playoffs.

So that's what they said today, Gabe Spaderie. Right. then you add conservatively. So if that's your thought, and then to further that, if you think it's probably a safe bet that's about where we're going to be. That's where we've been for the last month, eight weeks. That's probably where we'll be in another four, six weeks.

What if we made that deal now to add to try and help us? Well, when that deadline rolls around, are we ahead of where we would be if we don't get something done that? Maybe. Is that decision? I understand that cases, it's legit. But I mean, it doesn't make a deal any easier to do right now. No. And if you're selling, are you not asking for more now if you're going to forego the bidding war at the deadline?

Like you could spin it so many ways here. They don't seem to have great clarity on Zeri's timeline. He's skating. Looking better. But again, like, does skating mean three days, three weeks, three months? We got to ask pain. He knows. What was the injury?

Let's not, I actually like this conversation because I guarantee you, these are the conversations. They 100% are. And so I think the overarching thing that's probably stopping them from making a big deal is that when they all sat around this summer, they said, look, we like a lot of the guys in here. We like the culture we've been. We didn't like the circus that surrounded this team last year. I don't want guys in the trade block. And you probably really like the job that Ryan Huska and your leadership group is done in creating a culture where guys are working really hard and like coming to the rink. They had a much more talented group two years ago that had no interest in being in the saddle dome.

They hated coming to work. with the Hall of Fame coach and a much better group of players. They hated showing up to work. They didn't like each other. They were fighting. And so if you really believe that, okay, maybe we could get in if we add, but I actually do think in four to eight years is our chance to do something special, I wouldn't get too wound up about one year where you play over your shoes.

So let's just wait. And if it's there in March, yeah, we'll add. That's a very, I'm sitting into my tree top. like that's four to eight what you know four to eight years out that's well i don't know what their horizon is but they have long-term plans here they they'll they'll have a true when does zane parrachid is prime it's not next year you're putting a lot of stock in a kid that's i'm putting a lot of stock in if you put a collection of five first rounders together they're not all going to be great but that that will be your future core most of those players like and i don't think they're done drafting

and high. I know they probably won't this year. What if you get a Dustin Wolf injury next fall? Are you convinced this team is anywhere near where they're on the standings? Do they have the capacity to stay on the bottom five? If Dominic Hachick was hurt, we don't go to the Stanley Cup finals. You can't play the, oh, something

shitty might happen to us. Well, but when your team is playing this far over their heads, yes, you do have to consider that. Like, you're one guy away from not being in the spot in the standings. What do you mean by over their heads? Do you think with a different, with league average net mining. Where are they in the standards? They don't they you.

I'm asking what you think. I don't know. Without Crosby, this penguins don't win. What is stupid? It doesn't matter. It's what you have in the room. So are, is this what they are? Or are they just lucky? Because that's what you're saying, but making that comment. Wolf is on your team. He is playing that position. He is stopping those pucks. That is not over a head, over your head. Do you know what I mean? Like, I understand what you're saying. I don't, I didn't, like, can you do, where do you think they'd be with average net mining? I don't want, we don't, we have Dustin Wolfe. Why are we having average net minding?

Yeah, why do you need to, it? Because even Hall of Fame goalies have average years. Like, I don't, I think this team could pick in the top. So then if they's going to have an average year, it's not this year, then we should be all more excited to go. If you add a dynamic forward, like a top six guy, how do you like your odds against Vegas, Edmonton, Dallas? I don't like my odds in four years again. So maybe that weighs into their decision making as well. long.

That's a legitimate. Eight days in jet fuel, it'd be nice to get in, but I'm not giving up another second. And you could, and that's a fine answer. And now I'm, I'm cherry picking. You could, you could be in the mid-2000s and say,

you know what, we're not going to do anything. We're going to wait for these first rounders to all play together. When Nemis and Berchie and Jankowski all come, we're one of those is, we want to be ready. How many top 10 picks in there? Zero.

What does that mean? What does that mean? Well, the caliber of prospect is high. But what do we have now? Like, when you, when you, when you, we have now.

What do you have now? How many top 10 do we have now? So if they're top? That's why I have the highest hopes for Perrick. Yeah. Okay, which is great, but you have one. Right. So you're saying that because there wasn't one there, like Berth was 14th?

Yeah. Like, I, my point. And what makes you believe, this is fun to argue with, what makes you believe that Wolf next year is going to be mediocre and the team's going to be worse? I think it'll be great. No, I think it'll be fine.

Then what are you stacking your, the thoughts on these. top early picks that you're going to get. Oh, I just think the more first round cuts you take. That's fine, but you have to, you're putting the pause on this team for three, four years. No. Until Perrick and these other top picks come due.

Incorrect. I'm not going to waste valuable future assets for the next two to three years. Like, you could trade your first this year and next year, Vegas is first, New Jersey's first. Don't do that. That's what I'm saying. If you want to add a second peri defensive for a second or third rounder, okay. I still don't know where you're getting to these high picks.

What do you mean where you're getting? Well, you just said that if you have top 10 picks and you can rely on them being really good and that's four or five years out, it's going to be. So how are they getting them? Well, I mean, they clearly have one from this year. They don't have others, to your point. Again, I think it's not crazy to think they could have a top 10 pick this year. They're five points out of it. And if they're out of the playoffs by two, three points,

it would be pretty silly not to play a little more Dan Vlodar and a little more. Let's look at Slovievov and Stromgrin and Kuznetsov and Jeremy Porre. You should, once you feel like you've made the decision not to go for the playoffs, if that arises, you can stick handle your way into a top 10 pick and you could be looking at like a 6'5 right shot center like Roger McQueen who's dealing with back injuries and slides

out of the top five where I think he'd be picked all day. Well, I hope his back heels. I do too. Stem cells, kid. But, no, I just, I'm not on the train that they're never going to pick in the top 10 again. I don't disagree with you on trying to build with really high-end talent and drafted kids. I just don't know that you're going to get there. We've had this debate, argument, conversation a lot.

It doesn't feel like a team that's positioned to fall that far back. They are one year into a rebuild. Why? So if the other teams in the league who are in that, can you pull up the standings? The bottom 10? Not the bottom 10, even. The teams that are fighting for a playoff spot that are around the flames. So St. Louis, Vancouver, Utah, yeah.

Not even out west because I'm talking. So where you to get you in the top 10. Columbus, Montreal, Ottawa, Boston. So if things continue on and you're all kind of in the same boat, but you're closer to have. having a top 10 pick, well, we're going to play Vladarmor. Why aren't the other teams going to throw in the towel to pause you out? They're just in a different spot in their life cycle.

I don't think Columbus is going to try to pause any positive developments there. I think they want this young team winning. I feel the same way about Montreal and Philadelphia. I just think that you're, I think that's a pipe dream to think that if other teams are going, well, we might as, like, why doesn't Columbus want to top? So if the Rangers are in the same spot, you think they're going to start tanking? How much worse than flyers and HABs and HABs and. blues and ducks and Utah are you going to be you have to be four three four five points worse that's

it so one point a month dean dean it's not crazy you're very happy with that point no but it's just that people are very happy you're past six or 17 it's like well you're very smart Montreal's been much better for the last two months than they have New York has not yet played to their ceiling Philadelphia is a team that's trying to build not you know in your one of a rebuild St. Louis clearly is trying to win this year what are the flames of veterans build. What's that? What are the flames then? They've built culture. They found a netminder. They've got good kids playing in big roles, but if they don't make the playoffs this year, this is not a failure.

Interesting how that one point would only put them down, but there's one more point a month. Can't be, it can't be had. Yeah, if you think you can know, that means nothing, but no, no, Dean, that's an outcome for sure. Dean. Okay, well, what do you want to call me? Should I call you Mr. Sunshine? Like, what's your nickname? It's not. No, but I just sit here and I I listen to it. If you think you can be better. than the Rangers the rest of the way. Go ahead. I don't think you're going to be. That's the only thing you're taking into account.

That's how you're going to run your franchise is how you're going to be compared to the Rangers. I mean, the whole group of teams that we just talked about. Detroit's coming, Montreal's coming, Rangers are better than you. Islanders are playing well right now. St. Louis is adding, yeah, like, I think you're still very reasonably a bottom 10 roster in this league. And look, you look some of those teams down there,

Anaheim's going to be better. Columbus has already started to turn the corner. Ottawa, Montreal, Detroit, turn in the corner. So what is the next five years then? Like what do you do? Well, I think what you do, what kind of do is you wait, you wait, you wait. At the deadline, you make a decision to add or sell some pieces. And then you continue to. Like you still trade Rasmus.

You can't offer. I don't know what you do with Uyghur because he's good. No, you keep Wigar. You just not play him. You got to play Vlodar more. Why do you want Wigar over Rasmus? So then I. Because you're probably committed to less 35 plus seasons of hockey on the blue line.

I don't know how old Uigher is. Well, he's got less term left His mother points. He's got five years left on his deal. You've got theoretically nine years of Rasmus left and he turns 29 in the fall. No, but you could have either or. They're just similar parts to me. They're leaders.

The right shot top pair guys. They can wear letters. They're really good players. Other teams would covet them. I just don't. It's, I don't have to trade Rasmus. I'm not even in a disagreement with you.

Yeah. I just, I don't think it's as clear as you make it out to me. No, of course it's not. But you do. Be bad. Get top picks. Be good.

No. That's your thing. I continue to tell you that it is very risky and there's no guarantees. Yeah, but you can't just add a caveat and say that that's my, I'm not going to. Show me how you win a cup with this group. I don't see it without more high picks. I don't see how they're in a playoff spot right now, but they are. If you guys want to crush me because it's not a perfect, of course not perfect.

There's one cup a year. Show me a team with pieces like the flames that win the cup. what is that that's what i don't want them to do i don't want them to get into sixth and maybe one year get to the second round i've watched that my entire adult life they've been shit for one year in the playoffs basically they weren't is it okay to try to win a cup dean boomer mr sunshine is it okay to try to win a cup no one can i try to win a cup please i'm just i'm just going to let you go and do the rest of this we've got a richmond's pub read then there's a booster juice and a and a village honda because there's no talking to you're you're wound right up you're

well i'm waiting to hear your plan you just pick apart my i'm asking his opinion it is i'm and what we're arguing about is i i don't disagree with you and i think if you go back over the last couple of years of our take on this whole organization you're with me on this bill from the ground up. The problem I'm having is they've found a culture and a coach and a goaltender. And I, that's what I'm saying. And so what's sustainable in there? What is it? I don't know. Everyone loves, get first overall picks. Get high picks and get really good buyers. But what are you going to do right now with this team? Fire your coach. Get rid of this goalie who's suddenly very good. Of course not. What are you going to do? You keep Wolf, you keep your young players,

you keep this coach that's helped with this culture. You keep Backland, who you don't like despite having a vastly better culture since he was named captain. You, you listen. You take calls. That's his. You'd see this. Oh, he's not a part of it at all. It's everyone else is not the captain.

It's everyone else that deserves responsibility for good culture, not him. Cool. But you take calls on Rasmus. You said it was all in. It had nothing to do with the guys leaving. It has lots of it. Why did he allow those guys to be so. It's okay to say something nice of him.

I do. But no, you take calls on Rasmus at least. Don't you want to know what he's worth? Yes. I would like to know. I'd like to trade him. But I'd like to know what he's worth.

100%. I'd take calls. Is that crazy? Do I need to be crucified for that take? I don't think you're being crucified. You're expiring in a year. You're beating a dead horse. So that's what I would do.

And then you continue to really have to kick ass in the draft and development game. You know what? That's probably the gist of the whole conversation. How are you going to manage your draft picks? And how are you going to differentiate yourself? Because that's the only way. I don't think you're going to the bottom three and getting the superstar. So how, if you're 10th or 8th or 14th,

you could, if you get a someone to caliber of better every year at 9, that's unbelievable. That's, that's totally awesome. Yeah. And again, like, Ranton was not a top three guy. There's stars all around this league that are very good players that weren't top three. It's nice if you can get one.

I just, I'm with you guys on that, with Wolf, it's the bottom out looks way harder. The bottom bottom bottom. The bottom. But I was okay with it. Richmond's Pub 3919, Richmond Road. it's Wednesday it's not wing day jack it's last night he's going over sorry buddy are we doing pizzas or no you didn't order it yet it's gonna be tough to get here now it's noon it is

it is yeah right stamp pizza see what they did there i like that the richmond roadhouse you like a little little musket barbecue some red onion on there i'm not sure about the chicken but you know the godfather anyway it's more than just pizza it's a great sport Spar. It's where you should be taken in the games. They've added a whole bunch of TVs. They got the big goal horn whenever the flames score. Bwain. They let her buck in there. You can pick up orders. You can order online. You can take in the big game in a couple weeks. They got the patio going once the temperatures warm up. And they have been a great home away from home for us on Afterburner for a few months now.

Check them out in the heart of Glamorgan. It's Richmond's Pub. We'll be there soon. I don't know when. And I don't know why. Can't believe you're not. I texted you last night. Could he used a pizza time out there. I think there's some confusion over who has to buy the pizzas. Well, it's you. I didn't make a single bet with pizza on the board.

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Yeah, I got him right. How'd it go. It's good to catch up. Well, let's get to it. Flamesnation.com is saying what? All right. A little talk on Calgary and Logan Thompson beating the flames last night.

More reaction also, yeah. Is that really history? I want to see the birth certificate here, this flash. Flash, yeah. Did you change it? That's ballsy. It's short for Flasher.

Yeah. I don't know. and Pike, please. Boy, he writes a lot. He's a writer. Look at the West Wildcard. We've shown you before. One point separating the Canucks from the flames and the final wildcard.

Calgary suddenly has three games in hand in Colorado also with only five back. Canucks in action against Nashville tonight. They've got Dallas coming up. Calgary meanwhile has got some teams on the outside of the playoff pitcher looking in. Here's your inverse standings. What are they chasing if things don't go well for the playoffs? You're doing this? Well, they're four points.

That's what it is. They're at 55. The Islanders are at 51. They'd pick 10th. They're at a playoff spot. No, I know. But this is why the conversations that we're having, we're having. They're close to two to every universes.

It seems like playoff revenue and spring hockey at the saddle dome and a top 10 pick couldn't even be that close. It's four points today, the gap. Wild. What about points percentage-wise? Maybe that's what we need. Maybe we need points percentage. I can't turn points percentage one upside down as he's like. Schedule looks like what, Jack.

What are they got coming up? There it is. Ducks. Six weeks off for the four nations. Wings, Cracking. These are three teams below the stands and the standings. Ducks were a handful.

It's the Zeri injury revenge game. Maybe tomorrow. Oh, what was his name? The prick is a dirty bastard? Helens and Helson. Hella. It was finished out of defensemen.

You can't turn on a college guy. Stinking rough. college guy 12 penalty minutes uh Detroit better of late they'll visit calgary one game road trip it's a stretch of six to seven at home they come back for a much harder three game set the leaps the abs and the cracking before the 15 day break it's a lot of days a lot of days a lot of days ducks won three in a row the rolling dean now dean can I ask you a question oh look at this just wait because I'll forget back in the day like the last couple years Didn't they go into the break? Do you remember the All-Star break? CBA mandate a break thing? Yeah, the CBA. Was that a positive or Nick?

Didn't they always come out of it the worst? I think they went to shit, if I recall, correct. I may have them going back too far. This break ain't like those breaks either, but yes, this is a... You can put on a lot of weight at an all-en- It's going to say you can do some damage in 15 days. It'd be bad for me. Docks of 1-3 interrosals of the wings.

They're both kind of rolling. I don't know that that means they're good or not. Okay. And we had an incident in the NHL last night. A noted pugilist. Mark Stone. Thanks, Mark. He injured Mero Hayskin and Boomer.

It doesn't look good. Oh. Nope. Thoughts on this, man. I need to see. Was he tripped? Kind of. Yes.

And immediately pointed that up post game. It's Rupert Hintz who goes after his skate. I believe it's hints. And then he crashes into Haskinen. It doesn't look like he makes a real concerted effort to avoid him. Yeah, he's like, I've lost my footing. Now I have to lunge at him kind of thing. I don't think he meant to hurt him.

No, God, I don't see that. Not good for Dallas. I know that. Fortunate play. Not great. Yeah. There's no ill intent, though. I don't think Stone's that kind of guy.

I don't think so. In other news, Connor Bardard, very good at honky. Did you see this gorgeous sequence? I enjoy the zip around the zone fake to the drop pad. He'd been measuring everybody, the entire ship. Did he be male plot?

Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Get out of here. This is so normal for these guys now. This would happen once a year in the 90s. It's like every night someone's doing this. Oh, you're going to give me those?

how many four inches? Mail slot. Five? Stack your cell phones to them. My God. Dirty. Tonight's late. What do we have, Jack?

Dabba da, da, blah, blah, blah, there it is. Minnesota and Toronto Kings facing the Panthers.

They just played in L.A. a couple days ago. Flyers at Devils. Canucks obviously of huge interest to Flames fans. How they fare in Nashville tonight. Nashville, a little bit more respectful of late,

but still cheese toast, threat. Oh, they're yeah, definitely cheese toast. There's a team that if they had played well from the start would probably be in those more. Penguins and Utes as well. Justin Bourne noted on Twitter today. Hey, Boomer.

Does Utah have a team name? Not Yeti. I wish I was on social media so I could see this stuff. Yeah, I should have cropped it for you. So good. They've had some copyright issues at the Yeti. Oh, explain it, right, do you? Yeah, they've,

I'm not sure they're going to be able to use it. I don't like it's going to happen, man. I'm sorry. Tees and peace. Hockey club's great. Do you have the Super Bowl veterans? It's really good. I don't want to.

No, we'll talk about it. Football's a lot of time until the football is over. It's the season ended. Yeah, football ended. Just pro bowl nonsense. We're on to the bike guy. Yeah, Rhett, some footage came out for you,

the shoveler, your honeymoon. You travel the world. Less love. Now, where are we here? This looks like Southeast Asia, maybe. Yep. Really, dipping around. Why are you getting in that truck still quick?

No, is the glass already out? No. I mean, it's obviously we're trying to do this. They're trying to do. Head duck. Are you saying that this is all planning? A hundred percent. Like the semi coming by and almost hitting?

Oh, my goodness. It happened to be filmed in this corner. Because after this, you went to the big aquarium. What aquarium was it? Where was it? Sting rays. Different part of the world. Is it Sydney or?

Yeah. So there's the shoveler. She's getting in and all interactive. Okay. No teeth on that, cats. She hasn't been back to the aquariums since. She's done with being a mermaid. Call my agent.

Then you get down to Australia to feed the crocs. Love. Yeah. That's the best. Longer arms. Oh, Hey. Big Al.

Love you, Big Al. Coffee hold. Crunch, crunch, crunch. Could have been baking. Could have been baking. Yeah. Now what happens when you go to the ODR, Jack? And some guys pulling some nonsense out there.

Jack sets them straight. What would you do here? Because this is getting a little ridiculous. It's just making them walking out there. Come on. That's a win. Nothing, buddy. Nothing, buddy.

Losers. Are you changing? Marl Barber. That's the... Oh, my God. Charlie Taney. Well, this is what he does. Yeah.

It's nothing. Oh, no. See, the Bradford, the Italian? I'm good there. Oh, no. Yes. I'm just a threat.

It's so demoralizing. No. This guy sucks. Yeah, this guy doesn't get tired. Number 69, of course. No. Let's get some food, Jack. How quickly do you think?

The world record is for a peanut butter and jam damage we made and eaten. Okay, wait. What was that? World record. Yeah. P.B&J, make it, eat it. Okay. I thought it made me like the biggest one of the world.

Okay. It shouldn't be long. I don't think so. Seven seconds. Okay, let's see. My name is Ryan, and today I'm going to attempt the world record for the fastest time to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. So here we get. See you.

What happened there? she had the jelly in her mouth it's the fastest time to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich so here we get that feels like a cheating I don't know the rules and she used her hand she used her hand

yeah Guinness is going to argue this I need more rules and clarification on said rules and this guy the guy that's not cheating is terrible yeah he's brutal that doesn't look like that's a world record is like your first ever

PBB Jay, like, how about a little give a fuck? Yeah, don't tell me you're going for the record and put up that kind of performance. You ever a problem with your cookies and milk, right? Do you? Because look, this is a normal size cookie. Maybe a little extra large, whatever.

Is your cookie to big for your milk? Just make a cup out of cookie. That way you can enjoy a sip of milk and a bite of cookie with no hassle. This guy's as bad as anyone else. Is that Bobby Germany? What happens to your kids ask you for a glass of water? They get, is there a piano tied to your ass?

You know where the cups are. Yeah. Some of these moms out there, I don't know. Before bed, my kids requested a glass of water. So I started by gathering jars of water that I melted down from freshly fallen snow. We placed them directly beneath the full moon to absorb the moon's energy before adding it to a pan over low to medium heat. To that, I added a few ice cubes that I made out. of December's moon water before grating in some ice I harvested directly from a glacier.

While that simmered, I chopped up some icicles I had saved from the winter of 1857 and added that in before straining it into a container and setting it aside. To my baking pan, I added some liquefied ice and my water spice and baked that at 750 degrees until it was fully melted. While that baked, I blended up some ice I gathered while summiting Everest last weekend. I strained everything into my glass before adding a bit of ice for garnish, removing any impurities, and then gave it a quick taste test before giving it to the children. They know where the cups are, I guess.

Is there a piano tied to your ass? Clarified ice. Liquefied ice? Yeah. Probably clarified too. Last December's moon melt. Yeah. And organizing your fridge, something's important to do.

You get a lot lost. This is organized. That dialed. Yes. that's how my fridge should be shubler come on very organized are you an archivist a librarian what do you do with leftovers do you have a leftover yeah you get a left binder for sure yeah that's a nice selection of jesus i'd make that sandwich is it the dagwood that you put the chips on dagwood doesn't need to have chips on it's just

the long hero what's difference you hear on a dagwood the meats So what is there a term for I don't know that there is. The Pittsburgh has the French fries. Yeah, Primontes does the French fries. Well, it's actually, yeah. I'll Google. Okay.

Because I know that the Dagwood is, it's, I'm a fan. It's delicious. It's delicious. Jack, can you go ahead and get that fridge installed into the studio? Not as good as that pizza we're going to have. That's the Pender Report for. your wedding state. Oh,

I can't right now. I'm Google. Yeah. Spratch you by a good friends at Village Honda in the Northwest Autoball. Also online at VillageHonda.com and your dealership for life, rat. They used to do a hand signal for that. For life. That's not around anymore.

Is it that association of wrestling? And a comic book, Dagwood. That's right. Yeah. What do you? Just feels like a lot of people are being real. and loose with their dagwood here. Just declaring it a dagwood?

Oh, I put this on it. Then it's not a dad. I mean, come on. What is the dagwood? Is it a catch-all or is it a specific sandwich? It is a specific one. Freshest dagwoods, no. What makes a sandwich a dagwood? Layers of cheese, meat, tomatoes, lettuce. And anything else you might want to add?

That feels like a catch-all. Yeah, I think they're foolish. It's a sandwich, then. Well, I just know you could, you'd go to some place. They would have a Dagwood. It was different from an assorted sob or a, you know, cold cut combo or that sort of thing.

I'm going to have to put some work. When you open your sandwich shop, will you call it? Dagwood? Oh, man, I was making sandwiches the other day for the kids. I've kind of got them on to sandwiches now. He wants some soup sandwiches? I was thinking about it.

It's like, what if I was in the line right now? And I got slices of bread. We're doing mustard on this one. Pickles. Got the pickles up. We're at the lunch meets. How's, uh, are you single? Jack.

No, but, oh, yeah, yeah. Five days of freedom, yeah. What did, did you? I did after burner last night and then I all went home and did dishes. Hot. I thought maybe something better would have happened. No.

But it's early. It's too bad. Uh, would you like some, uh, some news, some things that are happening out there? Is there? Is there? of the day.

It's not really breaking news. It's a pike bomb? Ryan Huska has announced that it is week to week for Kevin Ball. Oh, that's not. Not ideal. Not ideal. I mean, week to week. That means he's back after Four Nations.

Yeah. I'm going to say it's probably only two and a half weeks till. When is it the 12th of the 14th? Saturday, the something two weeks. Yeah. Saturday. Saturday. So, I mean, the flame.

Sked. The 15th is their versus the 8th their last game. They play tomorrow against the Ducks Saturday. So they've got six games prior to the break. That's a lot of hockey right there. So he's going to miss the next six. And then you hope he's back for their game on what the 23rd is the first one?

For him, he'll want to play it. Here's the thing. This is veteran. This is veteran savvy. Can you scroll down there, Dean, a little bit on your calendar there? Oh. So, yeah, sorry. Seattle's that last game before the break, right?

Yeah. He has to play that game. Because. Because if not, he's on the injured reserve and they can keep him here. No break for you. Oh, Connie wouldn't do that to him, what he? But I'm going to Turks and Cacoast. No, you're hurt.

Sorry, kid. Haven't played. But I'm going to parrot point in that right there is veteran savvy. That's what I'd be explaining to Kevin Ball right now. Wow. Yeah. Listen, we got this trip. That's a red bomb is what that is.

And hurt bag week to week. Listen, let your ass back for the eighth. In no uncertain circumstances. Can you miss that, Seattle? You're screwed if you do. I know you got the penthouse that plays in Cabo, but, uh, on the flip side, good news for Drew Doughty. He's been activated off the IR.

Son of a God. Gregor said yesterday, three to five, next three to five games will be in there. You'll have things to play for. Yeah. Do you think he cares? Yeah. Or feels like a guy that likes who are in the Maple Leaf.

Hmm. Okay. He said he did. Yeah. Well, if he said it. And look, if he's played 45 games already, he probably cares about us. You know what? Stop in him. What, uh, like David said about it?

What did he say? He's really looking forward to playing with Sidney Crosby. You know what Crosby said? What? Trade me right fucking now. Four nations face off. Every commercial I turn on, he says it. Four nations facing off.

Sheesh. Yeah. Trade me right fucking now. Please. Sydney, Sydney Crosby. Uh, Brandon saw it, clears waivers. off to Springfield of the American Hockey League. He'll be a good leader down there.

If you want, Brandon Sudd, now is the time to call. Not yesterday with the waiver claim because now you can say, hey, Doug, I'll take a second with him or eat two million and I'll take him. Yeah, maybe take somebody else, a contract. Yeah, now we're talking. Yeah. And Philip Grubauer has been put on waivers by the Seattle Cracken. That's the worst decision in franchise history until the Chandler-Siefenson won.

Yeah, they're stacking them up. They are. 5.9 million. Only what, three years left on that? End of the 2027. Yeah. His last win was December 30th.

2020. And they went and paid decorred this year. They're just saying, this is our guy. We're going to pretend Gruberauer doesn't have a salary and he's a backup.

Yeah. You can't even do that right now. So they put him on waivers, you said. Waivers. Gruby. Ab's kind of dodged that bullet, didn't they?

Weirdly. It felt stupid that they. What are you doing? You finally got a goal. You finally got a goalie. And then they win the cup with Kemper the next year. These guys know what they're doing. I guess so.

Stinking nerds. This ranting and thing, it's really going to work out. Here we are bum on our nose at it. Well, when the abs and hurricanes playing the final, they both have won the deal. Clearly. I think that's it. That's a lot.

Thanks for the pizza, Jack. Ball, sod, Gruberauer, Doughty. Some big names there. Some big names. What do we get tomorrow? Thursday. Do you want to check him with Brent? We've been to talk to Brent in a while.

I don't know. Do you want to? I got shit to do here yet. I got a lot of things here. Okay. I thought you just said we were done. I thought you said, well,

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Yeah, I read, I remember, who was it that we had on the show? Pete Blackburn? Mm-hmm. his tweet from last night. Now the, because the one bet you're talking about is Sabres back at home after the road trip,

playing Boston. They're going to get shit pumped. First game back. They did the shit pumping as it turns out. Seven, you say? Well, seven two beat Boston. Two hat tricks, Peturka and Page.

Good work, fellas. Blackburn's tweet, Zadorov has not had many good nights in his Bruins tenure so far, but tonight was arguably the worst. and this was the cherry on top. What was the point of this? And he just kind of lost it.

Kind of, but not really. Near the end, he just kind of grabbed a guy and he's going to ragged all him around. It was just frustration. Wow, who could have seen that coming? That's not been a good offseason for Boston, as it turns out, potentially. Nope. They didn't spend enough time watching the flames last year.

I'll tell you that right now. Zadorov, Lindholm. How's the sway dog doing? Okay. Just okay? Better lately, but yeah, when you've, Miss Camp, that's probably not helping the start of your year, is it? No, it doesn't help the start.

Oh, well, at least it showed the guys in the room that management's really easy to deal with. What kind of money are they firing out to those three combined, do you think? Swayman, Zedorov, Elias Lindholm. I'd say 21, right-pack. 29. Six for Zaddy, eight. Year one of all those deals, too. Right, yeah, I'm not worried about Swamen.

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just a crushing loss. I don't know. I'm kind of with you. I'm waiting for it to go one way or the other. Nashville. LA just beat Florida in LA. Is there, I'm sure there is a roster freeze for the.

Yeah, I would think so. It's a long freeze, but yeah. Two weeks. Maybe this Nashville thing is like the sphere U-2 thing for Nashville last year. Whoa. Remember they got their U-2 concert, canceled and they went on a big terror.

Maybe the Canucks just need to go. And, okay, PD, JT, shots on the bar until one of you falls down. Let's go. We're doing this. Maybe that's, they're one point out, man. It's not even the, it's one point. I know. Fowless.

They need a rager. And give Miller credit, Gordial Hatcher, their last game. Fight, goal, assist. Yeah, he's a red ass. Big time red ass. Yeah. One punch by Briden Shen. and snuck one at the end there.

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it knew hot it knew how to keep it hot so it had the hot cooler that would have been the bigger challenge in that scenario yeah the cool ones it was colder outside

and then I was like, I got to do some work here. He can't call it hot chocolate. If it's not hot, come on, guys, let's really do this. They did well. Those are the two Yeti cooler side by side. Talking to China.

Can I have that Yeti cooler? No. We all want it. It's an arm wrestle. Red's my favorite color. Yeah, it's everybody's favorite color. Yeti has their new barware out. They got the cocktail shaker, the shot glasses.

for Pedersen and Miller. I was also looking, they've got some Valentine's Day stuff too, Dino. Mm-hmm. Which, well,

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Jasper's the wild. Yeah. Did great out there. Very wildernessy up there. No question. about it. Wildy. Very much so. So I grabbed some, we've got some super chats to do and I grab some comments that we can kind of get into, but we'll start with our super chat. What is a super chat? What's that all about?

Well, if you have a comment inside the YouTube chat and you make a small cash donation, we will guarantee that that comment is going to be shown on the show and we'll take that dough and give it to the youth centers of Calgary. So we do have some super chats that came in early and often. Again, we're, I feel like we're doing a really good service here. It's for the kids, Dean. It's for the kids. Let's take a look at what we got today in the old super chat line. Ken two bucks says, call Conroy to be the third team involved. I'm not sure if that's a specific dealer, just in general. Yeah. Hey, that's what he's here. We're here. If you're going to give somebody a second or third rounder to take some dough, we'll make that us.

I'll be your Huckleberry. That's what you should say. Thanks, Ken. Thanks, Ken. Two bucks. Jeremy with a 10 bone. Did you guys have coffee today? Three, which probably explains a bit. Yeah, we're all well caffeinated.

Every day is. Yeah. You said too many. I've, yeah, the old percolator. Yeah. It's getting overworked a little bit.

That percolator is getting old too. It is. That it's still is operational and works. It's good, good on you. Good percolator. Paul Wirtz says, here's 10 bucks.

fellas love watching the show while I'm hauling oil. Don't worry, I'm a professional so I can drive and watch at the same time. Also, Pinder leave the Trump impressions to Boomer. I don't know what he's talking about. Can you do a difference? I don't spend so much time working on it. Be proud of it. I don't really do any Trump.

Just press a button on that. It's like Gillis says. It's all just your hands. You just got to when you're talking. You just have to kind of do this sort of thing. And then whatever that is, it's great. In fact, it's the best. it's the best has ever been there won't be anything as good as this ever that's yeah yeah it's bad

it's the worst it's the worst i've never seen it's bad it's never been this bad it'll never be this bad again he's kind of bang on yeah he's kind of bang on with that gross uh this is s e k is that is that swedish kroners this is 50 of some denomination jack find it what an s e k is that crypto just says pinder never change is that the trump Is the Trump coin? Swedish dollars. I knew it. Any guesses?

Swedish croners. How much Canadian dollars this is? I'm saying that's $12. I don't think it's a lot. Four. 6.55. Yeah. To the kids.

Do you feel like I'm changing? Are my just as stubborn as I've always been? I don't know if I qualified. I really need to comment. Next. Next. Next.

there's no more that's all the super chats okay that's all the super chats but I grabbed some others dang it anyway this is uh again you could have you know you could have donated but you didn't but we'll get you on the show what else we got there jacks or you got him called up did boom get stabbed yesterday at the kajiji meetup I did not get this I did not get stabbed

if anyone was I was you're ready to I was in the position to do the stabbing it was an older gentleman who was not gonna you weren't going to take no guff Yeah, he wasn't going to. Did you close the deal? Or was it a standoff? He tried to.

Now, again, I had the price online. He jimmied me for 20 down. I'm like, I've already jimmied me. When can you be here? I could be there. Okay. You know what?

We'll make this. Sure, sounds good. There's a swing of deal here. So he was, you know, he's 20, 40, 60s. You tell me when that's enough. I'm like, yeah, I will. Don't worry. 80.

And he's like, boy, you know, I drove so far to get here. You know, is there any way? You slammed the door in his face? I did one of these. Push him off the stairs. That's a good face. No, that's 80s.

Not this one. It's one of the best deals he's ever seen. Not this one. Let's go. So no stabbing. So you could have bought pizza. I don't have it on me. It's cash.

We had that talk yesterday. Does Pinder know that we went on for like 40 minutes after you left. Yeah. I would love to have stayed, but. They had to get a ride. I had to get a junkin massage. Peter.

My mom is 82. She's getting out of the hospital from what might be dementia. She's a big fan of the show. Thanks, it's the real Daryl. We do have a Daryl Sutter in the chat. Yeah, we do every day. And loves her, some retro. Would love a shout out for her.

Her name is Kay. Kay, thanks for watching the show. We love you, Kate. Out of girl. Keep crushing it, Kay. Out of the hospital. Don't go getting crazy now. Take care of your boy, Peter.

Be nice to your boy, Pete. Going out and doing a bunch of shots and getting all crazy. Settle down. Although, you know what? You're 82. You probably know what to do. Do as you please. Yeah, you do what's you, you've been doing.

God love you, Kay. Thanks for being a part of this. Not sure. I guess retro. You are very. I'm charming when I need. Yeah, you're very charming. You are one of those guys for sure.

You are one of those guys for sure. Quest says Pinder's not wrong. Maybe a little too much faith in the draft. he's just battling against this team's insistence and history of remaining in the mucky middle. Don't do that. It's a gross place to be. Yeah. It makes for an entertaining watch which Dean,

with Dean and Retro constantly on Pinders case. That is kind of the formula. I'm not sure if that's it. I feel like it's Pinder constantly just going against Retinae. No, this is a, I honestly, this is Iggy and Conrad. At the back of the plan.

In the GM, Conroy's office. Oh, okay. Well, we should do this. No, no, no, no, no. We've got to do this. This. We need to hear from Jerome.

Call your buddy. Greg. Greg. Iggy. And then Don Maloney walks. Dawn. Oh, Don. Doloney.

Call me the Donald. Five points. It's one point a month. Jerome. Danny. I agree with Rhett. If Wolf is. what we think he is. Good luck getting

into the bottom 10. It won't happen. Kipper kept this team from bottoming out for years. You just have to deal with what you have. You'd love him to be Kipper. That'd be great. Now he's no good. That's a subtle undertone. Oh, no, it's not. Kipper's a Hall of Fame, Fringy

type. Be that guy. Please. Please be Kipper. What's the other side of the argument, Rhett? We sit in the middle and lose first round for the next 10 years. Is that the goal here? Thank you, Canadian, ape. I'm confused. What's the other side of the argument?

You add your score just so you can get pumped every year. That's his point. He's saying if you don't want to. Bottom out a little. Bottom out and finish it, like have top, top picks. Then what's the option?

Well, the option is to add someone and score more goals and. And he's saying that that'll, what that'll do is get you into the first round and get you bounced. Well, I think that's, yeah. And so you can miss playoffs and finish. 13th. Lose your pick.

It's all kind of in there. I mean, it's not, I didn't say sell every, you know, the farm. It's the, it's the very, it's the very, you know what, hurdle that started the whole conversation. It's not, it's not,

I want to make the playoffs every year, but be mucky middle and lose first round. It's not, I want to be dead last and have a bunch of picks, don't turn out. It's, what do you do today? As we go into February of 2025, and you look at this team, what it is today and moving forward,

And we talk with Dustin Wolf and with what you've got, are you still bad enough to be in the top 10? Challenges are you a middle of the pack team? Can you make a draft pick? There's three outcomes. You make the playoffs. You finish in the bottom 10, you get to use your pick or peak pain,

which has not made the playoffs and having to move your first turn pick to Montreal. Everyone can live with A and B. Yeah. And we are scared shitless that C is coming right at us. Is that not fair? That is fair. Look, if they try hard and they go on a skid, and they get in, you're like, look, they work their asses off, proud of them.

But it's the, oh, you, uh, selection 12 goes to Montreal as part of the scene, Monaghan deal. Oh, and it's a Monaghan deal. God, no. Oh, oh, tree, you're telling us. Yeah. Conner should wear an F you tree, but it goes up to the draft. I wanted to get some hashtag blame for living shirts made for the draft.

Two years ago. I'm not sure that would go over. Is that it? We got a couple more. I think that's my pan. Pinder, did you get a massage? Yeah,

I did. Yep. Well, single parenting. No, before they were in school. It's a serious hot lap. It was massage car dealership,

pick up kids at school. One kid wasn't there. Hunt for the kid for an hour. Oh, I love when they go away. Kid wasn't there. Yeah. Wow.

It takes 10 minutes to go to class every day, sprinted out of the door as the horn ran, and it was not to be seen. Keep many choice. The other one does. Big Brain. Is this the longest non-drinky show they've ever done? This is almost like a Kerr after burner length. And then Brady says, no, they went forever yesterday. We had that old bit at the old spot where we'd bleed into Rome.

Yeah. People got furious. Yeah. Shut up! You're costing us, Jim Rome. And this one, look at this. Ken, he's in with the Super Chat. Last minute, $5.

Thank you, Kent. Just wanted to give the handsome fellow in my thumbnails of love. Did you notice that? Yeah, that's me. He rotates his avatars. I've noticed that. He's quick. He had a photo on me last night.

There, see. Really? We never got into that. What? Jack guitar. Last night's show. Or you know tomorrow. It's fine.

That guy's everybody anyway. It's not here today. No. Yeah, because you offended him. He's outside with a... Because I offended him. Rusty shank.

He's got some... Steaming since you aerated him on afterburn of Richmond's. He's got some rifle with a scope on it, sitting at top of original Joe's waiting for you to leave. The back door. I have some more news before we do the bets. This is a long show. And you know what? Considering we started.

That's my 12, 15 sales meeting going. What do they need you for? for. I don't. Our buddy Greg Keller at Bontan meets. Fonton meets back in the full. Not they're really out, but they're just back.

They're a part of what we're doing. Bontan meat market. I'm heading north. I'm heading north. It's so good. Chios out. Went up there, had lunch with them a couple weeks ago,

two, three weeks ago. He'll never change and that's a good thing. You know some of those people you can count on? It's like this. No, people you can count on. Yeah,

Brett. You'll never change. Yeah, he's an idea guy with no follow-through. He'll never change. Yeah. There is a, uh, plans are in, in the works. Dear. We need to, we need to, we got to do something.

Yeah. Gotta get together. Meat. Have some of the people that watch the show. Get some meat. Yeah. Lots of meat, probably. Some drinks.

And let's do this thing. We saw some photos from one of our pig roasts. Oh, yeah. Yeah, 11 years ago. We all look very different back then. Yeah, you two are dorks. Yeah, it's still a dork, just a different looking dork. Yeah.

One's got more hair. One's got less hair and... Less gut? Less gut, probably. Good. Which is hard to believe. Looking now, it's like, you had more gut than this. Fat fuck.

But yeah, be ready. We're going to do some stuff with bontan meats coming up. And it is still this, it's still, it's still the case that the potato salad continues to be the he's like, I've never advertised it,

I've never put it, there's never been an ad, we've never tried to, best seller. We sell out of it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. There's really nothing special about it.

I said, don't tell me that. Stop. Don't, don't ruin it for me. Don't hurt my heart. Tell me it's very special. Tell me how it's an age old recipe

and it's, you know, hand it down for generations. That's what I want to hear. It's bon ton meats. Be ready for some details coming probably within the next few weeks about an event. Look at you.

That will involve some of that. Got, that short hair. Wow. Yeah, there's Pinder, me and Jay Boy. Up at the... Look at Dean lurking. Oh, yeah. My fellow be of Parkman.

Greg does continue. I don't look different. There's retro with the... A pig's not having a good day. He's smiling, but... Short hair red. Not his best day. Shorter yet.

Maybe. But that was the time we had listeners come by. It was a pig roast. And they went through all the food. And he had to start making more food on the fly. He's like, these guys were just animals. We were taking meat pies and ribs.

And everything we had to just, they were taking the plates were stacked a mile high. I can't believe how much food I went through. Well, we do attract a certain type, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Good eaters.

Like a cruise ship. Yeah. Bontan meat market. Up a crowfoot. Go see him and get some south. Yeah. Or some beef.

Just all the above. It's a trick question. Yeah. It's so good. All right. Let's do your bets. Betts. On a roll.

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when you sign up, whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Pet 365. A lot of pressure now. A lot of pressure on them now. Pressure. Oh, we got a massive slate of games today for Champions League. Nice. We're going to pare down this field from 36 to 18, I believe,

and start the big playoff thing. We take Barcelona over Atlanta. Italian side. And then Canucks to beat Nashville, I win third in a row, plus 125. All right, got my attention. What about this plus? Canucks love.

He loves the Canucks. Nashville's plus 20. Are you moving? Demco this and they're a good team and get things going. Retro you like. While we shit talk to penguins and how terrible they wear. So I'm going with karma. They're bound to come through in Utah.

Go Pence. Now that. That's not necessarily a penguins because it's plus 1.5. Yeah, well, still. Keep it respectable. That's a really, really wimpy bet. Minus 220. Yeah, it's really not much.

You ever want to turn $5 into $7.75, boy, follow me. Sorry, all you big units out there. I mean,

if rats put a couple gear on it, I'm down. Oh, come on. Look at Jack. Not even Jack. Jack,

you gotta cook us up a 15-leg parlay tomorrow, right? Yeah, because is that even like supporting the penguins? No. It's like they'll probably lose,

they just won't lose. They'll lose by one. You know what? Screw. All right. Thanks, Red. Thank you, Rat. I'm not going to use any of my winnings to buy you,

Pricks, pizza. Oh, pizza. It should be here in a minute. Delicious. Starving. Starved. Tomorrow's Thursday. We'll do a show.

Then we'll stop and that'll be Thursday. And then Friday. Hawaiian T-shirt Day. Is Friday the day off? It's my day off. Oh, no. It's live. We've got the live show.

We've got a live show. We're going to be at the motorcycle show. Details tomorrow. Yeah. On that. Yeah, wait. but thanks to everybody for the super chat another good day of raising some money for the kids we appreciate that we appreciate you watch and listening to doing all that you do all the sponsors support those sponsors support those sponsors support those crystal waters plumbing here you support the sponsors they support us that's hold this little big wheel keeps on spinning we can do this time keeps on spinning spinning spin and spin it's right something like that see you buddies