Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Monday Morning With Frank Seravalli | FN Barn Burner - January 29th, 2024

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

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Welcome to the show Monday. How many days this month? Because it's almost over, right? January, Poof, gone, just like that. The same as every January, I believe. All right. Next month is very different, but 31, I'm told. Okay.

Are we ready for February? Are we ready to say farewell to January? How would we rate our January? Boy, was it a mixed bag. It was a mixed bag. I had illness and snow and cold and yuck. victories and losses. I guess it wasn't a mixed bag.

It was just the shits. Just the shits. Okay. Well, in here we had like minus a billion for a while. And then now we have like a week of like overnight lows aren't even getting in the below zero. This is a real tough, tough month for the, the ice makers. Is that what it is? That's just.

All right. Well, too cold to flood. Too warm. Tees and peas for all the, uh, the ice makers out there. That's right. Tees and peas. Ah, that's the all start. break the old all-star break as the flames what do we I was going to say they kind of limped into it now

they did get a win on their final game of the sked prior to but still kind of impressive one of the year kind of impressive one of the year got to be right like they limped in yeah these black hawks you know oh can I be honest didn't watch it I appreciate the honesty yeah I was in Rochester on Saturday night so I couldn't watch it and then I saw it was one nothing and I saw the comments on the game and I'm like I'm not going to spend three hours breaking pushing my way through this or two hours whatever it is can I give you a 10 second synopsis yes please love one yeah five breakaways allowed in the first half to half of the chicago black hawks and half of the iceford rockford ice hogs uh markstrom hangs a zero and without

him you lose six nothing the end. Welcome to the All-Star break, friends. So trademarks from immediately. Well, maybe 6-1, because the Flames did score a goal. It was a power play goal as well, which is kind of like Haley's Comet these days, so I don't want to not celebrate that. And an Elias Lindholm goal, which has been as infrequent. Well, I mean, if you're an All-Star, you're used to score lots, right?

Right. He's beating up. He's just getting ready for the three-on-three out there. He's buzzing. Oh, dear. Back the line was good. everything else was complete horseshit. They shuffled the lines.

It was not a good night at the office for almost anyone up, Mark Strum. But I'll tell you what, they're having a hell of a day today. What are they doing today? Travel Day would have been yesterday. I know they are fully, they're hung over. Or maybe they're, they're enjoying all the vitamin D they can get. Mm-hmm.

I, these guys are so stupid. So stupid. I heard a Buffalo Sabre wanted to asked one of his coaches if he would skate him during the break. Now, what does that mean?

That means that this guy is not going to get vitamin D and sunshine and relax. He's going to get on the ice and bear that. So I can't decide if you should, wow, look at the commitment. Who does that? right who chooses to stay in buffalo when he can go somewhere else

in the winter of all places team no kidding what a loser truth truth bomb for sure why would you choose buffalo right yeah i mean god it's who knows oh there you're freezy freezy pop over there anyway so the flames do win they snap the uh the losing skid but in the most unimpressive of ways.

Markstrom, again, great. And I love even just reading the chat here this morning. Markstrom has been their best player. It's probably not close. There are some other guys who have had a good season or at least have had a good stretch. It's like Markstrom. So great.

Who's the first one we're trading? Hopefully Markstrom. It's like, thanks for your service. Get out. It's two points we don't need. Yeah, where would you be in the standings without Markstrom this year is kind of the way to frame it? Because if you do move them,

I don't know that it's out of the question. you get a top five pick. I think, and that's what this team lacks long term. They have no franchise players potentially, right? Can I interrupt you there, though? How do you get this top five pick if you move Markster? Well, you're, think about how many points you won't be getting without a Vesnavote getting gold.

You think you can drop to the top five? Okay. Well, he got you two the other night. I interpreted that comment as if you move them, you'll get. No, no, no, no, no. No, you're trading them to a contender if you do, and that's a late back. I see what you're saying.

Yeah. No, I'm talking about the. own draft pick. They just, there's too many nights where, you know, he's been the only reason they get points. And it's not that they don't work hard, but it's just so clear there's no top end of this roster. Yeah.

Team performance, it feels like would be, uh, in terms of performance in the standings. And, and, hey, and if you're on this team and they trade Markstrom, you've got a pretty clear indicator of what the management thinks of you. Like, how bad are the efforts going to be? after that. Well, this week even was more of that. As plucky as they were when the dads were around, it just

they were not the hardest working team in hockey this week against St. Louis, Columbus and Chicago. That is something we don't talk about though. Okay, you decide Conroy and the boys decide let's get him out of here. He's willing to go. We're going to get something in return

that we like. Markstrom's gone. How do you manage the rest of those guys? I was going to ask you, Rett. You've been waiting for years and whoever you want to blame. They have finally got something in that room. It feels like it's, it's chemistry. There's maybe something to build on. You've got a foundation, coach, GM.

Everything's new and guys seem to, now we're going to take some, some key pieces out of that room. Is there, is there enough of that foundation that's been built to say, okay, well, that's the way it's going to be this year's not a year. Yeah, that's the hard part, right? because I think guys like Coleman, I mean, Backlin ain't going anywhere. He just recently. Backlin, Coleman, cadre, Huberto,

Uighor Anderson, you're stuck with these guys. But there's certain guys. Huberto, I don't know what you do with the guy, right? Like that's, that's an outlier. He's 10.5 million.

It's way too much money. He can't keep up. He can't perform. Nobody wants him. And you don't want him to be quite honest, that 10 and a half if he's not going to, right? Like, I don't know what kind of leadership. No one has mentioned his name

They were searching for a captain, right? Like, I think it's a polite A on his jersey. It has nothing to do with leadership skills. Best, right? Yeah, let's try to get his pumped up. But Blake Coleman, Blake Coleman's going to go, huh, well, why am I here still? Like, Cadry the same. Codry's going to, right?

Now you're going to have disgruntled to a point. You run a very good chance of those guys getting disgruntled and go, I don't want to be part of this. which is why I think you could get a top five pick because it's not going to be pretty. It's going to be ugly. Which is fine, but we like the top five pick, but we don't like bad mojo

for the next two, three years with everyone else around. Yeah, I think there's only something like five weeks from the deadline to the end of the season. It could be really ugly. And I know what you're saying with the culture, but like they're going to backfill and make trades

and there'll be some younger players that come in. And they're not going to do nothing in for it. Like it'll be a new group next year. I'm not, I think Huska and the leadership group have done a good job of creating a place where people want to show up and work and they're smiling. But yeah, it could be an ugly five weeks.

It really could. Because there's still what? I count of this morning, I believe there's 13 games to the deadline, basically all of February and then into March. Yeah, six weeks from tomorrow, I think.

Are we, so where are we all, I mean, I guess let's include other people. Let's try and speak for others because I know how the three of us feel about it. with 13 games out, the All-Star break is here. We're past the halfway point. We've seen enough, right?

There's no more, oh, well, maybe they can sneak in. Well, you can play for a while. Like, that's done, right? We're done. I'm done. I've been done for two years. I was, you're in last week.

You were done for two years and then they got you at the dad's trip. I'm kidding. I said, I'm fine. If I said, I'm not, okay, maybe I did say I was in, if they were going to play a certain way. Yeah, and they need to play that way. They played against Chicago. they absolutely put their fucking feet up.

So that's not the same team that two weeks ago. Are you at all concerned with that? Now, because you said, I think it's a huge indicator. Because I wonder. I think we just, we shrug it off. That's the all-star game. And there was two tough teams. He had the Leafs and the Oilers.

And then that, we knew that was going to be bad. Okay. Or is, are we just kind of letting them fly? You had world class goaltending and you didn't show up and work. Are you telling me, you can't out. Pete Chicago, they packed it in, which is the problem that they've had in the past. And we didn't see it for two months. Yeah.

But that, but now it's getting back to, okay, well, you're 500. Half the season you haven't showed up and played as hard as you can. And the other half you did. Like, no, you have, I, people are still in. I'm shocked. I don't think there's many left. Like St. Louis is a team you're competing with. They outclassed you pretty good.

they. That's the thing. You can, you can squint. Columbus was beating you. You didn't, you couldn't, you were going to beat Columbus and you weren't going to beat St. Louis. And yeah, you beat Chicago, but to your point, that's not it, it's just not an NHL average caliber roster. So congrats on the one nothing win, but you also lost to that team. And if it weren't for Markstrom, you don't win on Saturday. They are what we thought they were guys. They are. Yeah, they're not quite good enough. Which I think we're okay. with, but again, we're kind of singing from the same hymn book.

We've been ready for them to move on and sell for a while. I mean, look at Rhett right now. He's just, he's beside him. I don't know what's going on every day at this time. It's like, why? What's the shoveler God? Is she got a regular viewing pattern here with something in the room?

Maybe there's an only fan's account. There's a lot of bandwidth. What's going on? A lot of bandwidth, yeah. I can't. Oh, well. Yeah. Premium account. I mean,

very high death. I can't even, it can't even operate the computer. Like, I, it's the, is this still the old shitty one or the new one that you bought to try to replace the old shitty one?

Oh, this one's great. Is it? Yeah, it seems. Yeah. I'll be back. Really knocking the side of the park. You know what I like there?

He's like, can I just admit I didn't watch the game? I didn't watch the game. You'll put your feet up. against Chicago, you don't even work. I'm like, you didn't see the game. Yeah, it's the game. You didn't see. He's become a hot take machine. It's incredible.

It's very impressive. Well, sure. It's when you're at this point, it's, you can start to have your takes. But again, it's not like this has been a new swerve or something. This really is kind of the same. We were, the outlier

was when they competed and played their tails off and got wins. That felt like, this is new. This is something we haven't seen. Except that they've kind of been in every game all year, minus like less than a handful. Well, that's what I mean, right? So to say that they're close enough to compete is like, yeah, they're just not good enough to consistently win games, even against the worst teams in the league. It's odd. You can hang with Vegas. You can win in their building. Okay, they're knocked up a little.

You take two from Dallas. And then it's like Chicago's outplayed you twice. God, you're stuck in the middle. And that's the worst. worst place to be in this league. Get some playoff revenue, have some deep runs, or collect high-end picks. The rest is just pain. Peak sadness. Peak sadness. Ninth in the West.

Peak sadness. And it's not that you're feeling sorry for them because it's part of being a pro and part of being an athlete and all of that. But I kind of had it. So what happens? For starters, there's the rumor mill that's been chugging. Hanifan, are you staying or are you going? What about you, Tannib?

Well, Lindholm, is he? God, what's this team doing? So there's those rumors. But what if some other guys get in that mix? How does that affect guys? You got to deal with it. I mean, right? Grab a hold and give them a twist and deal with it.

But leading up to the deadline, guys hearing maybe their own names in the rumor mill, plus other guys who could be great friends and they've been buddies forever. And then once the deadline passes and you look around the room and there's some key guys gone and some new faces in there that you don't know, how do you, what does the remaining? of this season look like. Because to this point, even despite the fact

their points percentage tied for seventh from the bottom, it feels like this has kind of been a good season. I don't understand it, right? Any other year where you'd be right here in the standings, you'd be up in arms and sour and pissed off. But if anything, I feel like people want it to be a little bit lower to the bottom. Yeah, we're here.

But it's closed, right? There's, I think there's four awful teams this year. Chicago, San Jose, Columbus, and forgive me for forgetting the other one. But I think Ottawa can still get their shit together. Columbus, right? The team that came in and beat us, beat them last week?

I don't know. Yeah, but I mean, you can't just say, oh, look, they lost a bad team. You also have to acknowledge that, you know, they beat Dallas.

They beat Vegas. They've, it's not like they're, they're outclassed in this league. They are definitely in the right league. But I just think it's, it's so clearly obvious when you see how, like, Saturday they would,

put Shillington and Gilbert on the ice together. That's how weary they are about their third pair right now. And I get it. You're easing Shilinton back in. Gilbert's missed a bunch of time. He's probably an H.L. defenseman on a normal club and was with this club if they were healthy at the start of the year before they sold Zedorov, et cetera.

They literally were rolling right pair defenders with those two instead of putting them out as a pair. You subtract a TANF. And a Hanifin? Yeah, yeah. Like, it's just so obvious what's going to happen. They can still work. They can still have good attitudes.

They'll still have young kids coming to work, happy to be in the NHL. They got Marty Pospicil activated off IR that we didn't play on Saturday. They're still going to work and be young. But yeah, the only worry is really about the vets, like cadre especially, because you saw last year what happened when the team wasn't going the way he wanted. I still come back to it. It's not like you're being preachy or whatever. But what is it you want?

Because you can look, how did you fare against Chicago and St. Louis and these teams? I invite you to throw on, if you haven't, go watch a Colorado Avalanche game, go watch one of the, watch, watch this hockey that's being played at the top of the divisions. These teams are at the top of the standings. Go and watch these games and the pace of play

and the skill level. And then decide, is that what you want? Or do you want, or are you really gung-ho for the wild card? Yeah. Because I know what I want. And I know what I've seen. I've been here a long time.

You can't tell, but there's a lot of gray hair under the hat. Is that right? God Almighty. It's, um, it's, the game has changed. It is all about speed. I'm not telling anybody things they don't know. And I don't even really, it's not even, I'm not trying to convince anybody to think differently than they do.

But every time I watch a Nathan McKinnon highlight or watch Kail McCar or watch these guys play. They're so, yeah, you might be able to hang for a night or two. Mm-hmm. But it's not who you are. No. And I feel like what you just said is almost a plea to ownership because it's an organizational philosophy to prioritize getting into that wild card rather than dip out and try to achieve some elite talent at the top of the draft. And I get it. There's some scars from, you know, the early 90s through to 2004. They tried to rebuild. It was awful. They also didn't know how to draft and develop back then. It was Daniel Kachuk and Rico Fata and, you know, Brent Kron, not necessarily his fault with some injuries. But like, You're picking guys in the top 10. You've got nothing to show for it.

Nothing. If those are franchise players, maybe this owner is a little more like, yeah, let's rebuild. We've done this before. It's worked. It hasn't worked for them. And I think Kevin,

fast forward to the again, La, ball, we've talked about it. Yep. You had to get something for guys that were leaving, but in essence, that is a stab at rebuild. And you got nothing from that. So I get why there's some trepidation. Let's try to at least be in that mix and get in.

Then once you get in, anything can happen. you can almost understand that way of thinking. And it's easy for guys like us or whatever. Just come on, move away from it. I still, it's a hockey savvy enough market that people will be able to understand. Bring some kids in and take a swing at it.

And I guess if maybe it's too easy to say, I don't know. Well, and I will say this. If there's fear about the ability to hit in the draft, it should be much less than it was in both the Feaster and the 90s era, where they were just dog shit in the draft. They've been a much better drafting team. They have not had the high profile swings and misses that the 90s were characterized by. So hopefully that is part of the equation that Connie's trying to sell the ownership.

Say, look, if we get a couple picks in the 20s and we have one in the top 10, like, we're going to find some players here. This isn't going to be a bunch of no-name scrubs that never played. It's probably not a promise, but you certainly have to like the probability better when you see what they've done in the draft. They found a zeri in the mid-20s, you know? Sorry, I'm clearly I've screwed up and missed the whole conversation, but is Edmonton not a good example of, of,

they haven't done a good job of drafting, but look where they are. Two superstars, right? Like, it's maybe not everything, and it's not the example people want to hear, but they were horseshit for a while. 10 years. How did you get McDavid?

Yeah. Well, maybe the best, was, maybe the best ever. They tried to win that year. It was not Buffalo's superb tanking effort that had them dead last in the McDavid draft year. It was, we're going to go for this. We think we can make the playoffs,

we're trying to win. They were just that incompetent. And that's why it infuriates so many people outside of Ebbington that when that draft lottery hit, it was their fourth, first overall pick in seven years. And it was a team that was the worst run in pro hockey. And to see them get that player was, I mean, I'm still not over it.

I don't know about you guys. Like, if you want to parade with me when you leaves, I'd do that. You don't want to applaud the Oilers, but. And I don't feel like you said, I don't think they had a plan for that. And you should not have planned to get worse. At the same time, there were a lot of first overall picks. They could have expedited the process for sure. Yeah, it was the third overall pick that was the stud in dry saddle.

The whole Yakupov R&H, you know, bad player and a couple of good players, but not superstars. But the point is just the same where whoever you want is in Chicago. Yeah. You get badard because you're shit. that's yeah and then there's teams like boston where it's like we hit on marshand and burson as second round players we do well with mid to late picks there there's not a hit and free agency with chara which is almost impossible that's the greatest free agent signing of all time but i mean really what that is is just that's a that's a team that develops like they have a 19 year old centerman walk onto the team this year that no one's heard of you're like that's a good draft and developed team you're like that's a good draft and developed team you don't have to be top 10. It's just a little easier if it is. And that's just it. Like you don't have to fail spectacularly. Buffalo's being the worst and they've done nothing and they're wasting it still.

Right. They're still terrible. But they've also had bad luck because they're Buffalo. They didn't get McDavid. I think the whole situation changes if McDavid's there. Right. Like that's a bingo ball. And they have lots of good young players you'd like.

I don't feel like they're cursed so much as it's going to happen. It just wasn't this year. But my whole point about it is it. Those are the worst case scenarios. the Edmonton model where they had four first overall picks in seven years. That's the worst case scenario. Look where they are. Yeah.

Look where they are. Like, yes, it sucked. They were bad for a long time. That's if everything goes to shit for five years, you're still going to come out of it with something good. You better. And you don't have to be, I don't think anyone's going to be Buffalo bad ever again.

I really don't. And I don't believe that you have to go a decade without making the playoffs. Why is that the example? Right. Why is that the, I mean, that could be your fear, but if all you're concerned about is being the worst of all time ever, well,

you maybe have to look inside your organization and go, well, maybe we've got some holes here to fill. And you know, you look around too, it's, you don't need to be spectacularly bad and pick first overall a bunch. No. How about once?

Because look at Colorado. They've had some first round picks. Rantanin's a great pick. Kael McCar wasn't first overall. Nathan McKinnon was. And the flames have done as of late fairly well with their depth drafting. Rasmus Anderson is not a first round first overall pick. We can bitch about Trilliving all we want. His plan was real good.

And he did a good job with it. Those guys just left. Yeah. And the thing is, is if you have, If Sam Bennett develops properly and Monahan doesn't get injured. And Monaghan doesn't get hurt. Like maybe everyone stays. Exactly.

But you had that plan. Yeah. It was good plan. You had to have that approach to it. Yeah. If you make a Western Conference final or you win some rounds and you're making your money, you're a good series against the Oilers away from probably everyone coming back. Anywho, those are the opening statements for McLeod Law.

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We can take care of you So Pinder made me aware of you this morning on the trade board three of the top five three of the top five on your trade board are calgary flames now is that likelihood of being traded or caliber of player to be traded uh that is a blend of both players impact with his market and also the likelihood of a trade so today was also the breakdown day a deep dive on chris tannes and his game. I was going to say. Now, if you're interested because Tanev on Hockey Night and Canada on

after hours the other night, we know what he is. He plays hard. He plays strong. And I didn't realize, I knew over the course of the near four years, he signed a four year free agent deal with the flames. And the one knock that we had was he love his game, but guy can't stay healthy. Guy can't stay healthy. He did the math. 249 of 269 games. He's missed 20 games in, just about, well, three and a half going on four years. Unreal. That's 93% of the time. That's not terribly injury prone.

Yeah. It's been a great signing for the flames in terms of maybe the quality of the trade. Like if you think that it's a four year deal and it's free agency and like, ah, last year might be painful. If you could turn this guy into a couple seconds or a first, like imagine going four years of free agency, getting a great player and then turning that into an asset that could give you a player

for another decade. That's incredible. It is one of the things that I'm sure GMs think about, but maybe fans don't think about when they sign, when they go to free agency is not just what can this player do for us, is the value there, but also is there a chance we can spin him for an asset? Are we essentially in a way buying a player and maybe draft picks down the road?

And I don't know if that's what Truliving was thinking, but you're right, Ryan. I'm not sure who else would even be in that category. Maybe some other player down the roster, but for four and a half, four and change times four, Tanaf's been pretty good. Now, we know what he is. You kind of spitballed maybe some comparables

somewhat in players and style, but also in returns for said players once they were traded. The way you see it, what might Flames fans expect if we see TANF go? Yeah, I think the best that the Flames could probably hope for is a conditional second round pick that could ultimately turn into a first. And look, you go through the comps

And you said it. We know what Chris Tanev's game is. There are no secrets. There's no surprises. He's not going to, you know, blow you away with his skill set or anything like that. But, you know, he does present a lot of important characteristics for a team that is looking for another piece with his reliability and, frankly, predictability and efficiency in his game that coaches, they crave stuff like that. You can set and forget in your lineup. And so when you're looking at the comps, it's really the Mark Giordano trade from a couple years ago.

And that, I think, is on the probably really high end. You know, at the time, Mark Giordano, yeah, a few years older than Chris Tanev is now, but someone that's in impeccable shape and someone that was three years removed from a Norris trophy win. Tanev doesn't have anywhere near that pedigree. There's no offensive upside to his game. There's no, he's actually on track for his lowest shots on goal in 10 years. And then you kind of work your way down from there. There's other pieces, of course, the Blackwell and the money retained that helped kind of

juice that return for the Cracken. But I think another great comp, especially stylistically as well, is the Chris Russell trade that the flames were involved in eight years ago. I know it's a long time ago. but in terms of impact and market hasn't really changed that much, they got that conditional second that could become a first if Dallas went to the conference final. They didn't.

And they ended up getting a couple other pieces as well, including Yerki-yoki Paca. And that to me is kind of like if you're Craig Conroy, that's what you're underlining and circling on the sheet, is give us something guaranteed in a second that could maybe get a little bit sweeter if the team that takes on Chris Tannav can go on a run. So do you have like David Savard and Ben Chirot

is significantly better players than TANF when they moved? Because I don't love the comps here. I would take TANO over all of them. I think Chris Russell we like but not in as much as you'd like TANF. And I think you noted it with Gio. Like he was 38 at the time. Chris Tenev is definitely not a young 34. Like there is some tread on those tires as we just talked about.

Still elite defensive metrics, though, right? Like, we still consider that or no? I mean, I have real questions and spend a long time watching his game this season. I didn't see every shift, but I probably saw about 75% of the shifts that he took this year. I just, like, I'm not saying he can't hold up. I think the way you use and deploy Chris Tannav will be really important for a team that gets him. because I think the way that he plays without, he doesn't gap very well. His gap is huge compared to a lot of defensemen off the rush,

that if you get a team that's high octane, high offense, super, you know, pushing the pace, I think of a team like Colorado, I think if that's the matchup in the first round that you're plugging him into, like I think that can be pretty problematic for him. And to answer your question about the comps, I think everyone on, understands Ben Chirot getting a first round pick was a giant mistake. And Ben Chirot... Someone else wants to make a mistake in March 9. Yeah, but like you're hoping against hope.

And Ben Chirot is, he was seven years younger than Chris Tannaev is right now. With worse results, but yeah. I mean, I get it. But, okay, so like, let's spin it the other way. So you want to talk positive comps. I'll talk negative comps. Yeah. Josh Manson only got a second two years ago.

And that was a huge mistake. again for the Anaheim ducks. But if you, if I was on the other end of the line and Craig Conroy said, I'd like it first, they'd say, well, no, hold on a second. Josh Manson just got a second, not happening. What did Montour get coming from, again, not the same player at all, opposite ends of the rank, but was he a first? No.

He, he, he, uh, he, uh, he went for a third, I believe. Okay. Brandon Montour, he went, uh, from Buffalo to Florida for a third. Okay. So again, another guy that, for whatever reason, was beaten down in Buffalo because the Sabres had struggled, he skates like the wind,

has a resurgence in Florida smart bet for a third round pick. Yeah. The one thing about TANF, and I don't know if it changes anything, but just watching him. By the way, I'm not down on him. I'm just giving you realistic expectations. Yeah.

And that's kind of where And I guess it's my way. I just fall the other way. It just feels like if there's there's so much going in his favor, he is healthy so far. The numbers would suggest, yeah,

this is a guy. And I read some of the stories, there's just some of the people online talking about options for their team or the team that they cover. And they start to talk about TANF. And they tell, oh, he's not a great skater. I feel like they're not paying close enough attention.

If anything, I'm impressed by his skating ability when I think stay at home defensive rear guard type of defense blocking shots and all of that which he is I think of heavy footed defensemen and I don't think he falls into that category. Ret, when you watch, like he's fine. I'm with you,

but I think that our reference points go back too far to be honest with you. I don't think that you can be a good defender in today's game with the boots that I use. to have. I would consider myself I was a good defender. My boots were not good either, but I didn't skate as good as Chris Tannup. I actually think it's you're not, you can't do it. You have to be able to move around. You can have a defensive minded approach to the game. Right. But everyone has to be able to skate. So I agree with you. When we first saw him, I'm like, oh my, frick, he skates like the wind compared to defensive guys that I think of. But I don't think you can play in the game anymore. and have bad feet. If you notice in the breakdown today, I didn't mention his skating at all.

No, I didn't. Honestly, and I don't think it's an issue. I think he's actually incredibly efficient. Like, the best thing about Chris Tanev is that there's no fluff. He gets the puck's on his stick and it's off. It's a smart play almost every time.

He's not overthinking it. He's not dusting it off. He gets it and it's gone. And that's, you know, look, just look at some of the numbers. that I dug up, of all the defensemen in the entire NHL, he has the least turnovers in the neutral

zone. That's incredible. He's 17th in turnovers in the defensive zone. Like he's got, he completes a lot of passes because, again, he's not trying to reinvent the wheel. It's almost like a player that is incredibly self-aware. He understands what he's good at and what he isn't. And he just, it's just like, let's just get the job.

done. I'm not here to be flashy. I'm not here to score goals. I'm not here to lead the rush. He just does his thing. Pays the price. He's willing to block. He's fifth in the league in block shots. Eat a ton of rubber and get off. It's hard for some guys too to get to that point. Some guys never get to that point where they have to have a sober moment. Okay, here's what I am. Here's what I am as a player. And now here's what I am later into my career. I also wonder too and teams will never pay for it. pay for intangibles and that sort of thing, leadership qualities. But boy, he's got them, which is why I still come back to Toronto and Vancouver. Those two specifically, because of true livings tie to him and because he played in Vancouver,

those two out of everybody else know what he brings and I think should be prepared to pay a little bit extra knowing what that is. Now, Quinn Hughes is a fan, right? Right? I just, I still go back. I'm surprised. Is Quinn Hughes? Sorry, Dean. Why would, I'm not against it.

I'm just, but why does Quinn Hughes need TANF? Like, I mean, he's... They're going to add a D. I think that team needs a D. Not Quinn Hughes, but if you asked Quinn Hughes, what was it like playing with TANF your rookie year? He said it was phenomenal. They were one of the best players I played with. I think that's one of the best assets that TANF has is you can insert him with anyone

and he's going to perform the right way. And he's especially someone with feet, right? Someone that's a little more offensively adventurous, he can cover. Whatever. The whole point I was making, it doesn't matter who it is because he is, is easy to play with. Yeah. And that's to Frank's point with moving the puck quick, right?

It just doesn't get trapped. If you're shipping out assets and you're shipping up picks or whatever, you sure, this better work out. If you have a relationship with the guy, do you not feel a little bit more comfortable in making that trade? So I, what did I say this morning? How many games?

13 games to the deadline. Can he stay healthy for 13 more games? Should it just bubble around? That's why you're holding your breath, though. Even though, even though, that statistically he's played in 93% of the games. It still, it does kind of feel like when you watch him, like it feels like every game or every other,

he's somehow going down the tunnel to get something looked at and then he's back. Here's the thing. I mentioned deployment and usage. He's playing, he's actually playing a ton in Calgary this year. His numbers are a bit skewed. You'd look and say 1940, not really that much,

but it's also skewed by the one game that he played 15 seconds and was out. So last game he played 2413. I think in a perfect world, he's not playing that much. He's playing somewhere between 17 and 18 minutes a night, and you're not overtaxing him again. You're not asking him to do too much. On an ideal team, on a team that's perfectly structured, I think Chris Tenev is on your third pair.

So who else, if you're a team that's looking to Adam defense and that you hear it at every team, no matter how many defensemen they have, Retzought in 04, you can never have too many. defenseman because injuries happen and all of that. Who is in this comparable? What other teams that we know are selling, and we assume the flames are selling, but if you're in the market for TANF, what else are you shopping?

Who else is on your- Down the trade board? On your list. That's actually a pretty good spot that the flames are in is there's not a ton of guys that kind of play exactly like him if that's what you're looking for. you know if you're talking more you know can do a lot of different things and as way more versatile like i'd say sean walker would be a really nice fit um on the left side you've got probably brett coolack coming out of edmonton if you're looking for a power play guy you're looking at tyson

barry also right shot like no one is really kind of exactly like chris tannive that i think that might help the flames a little bit because I think these fits should be curated. It's not just like, hey, let's just get the best player available. It's like,

no, let's get the guy that fits our needs and what our team lacks, that that should be the target. Jake McCabe last year, that deal and Brendan Dillon, I'm sorry, someone's just sending me comps

and I think those are interesting ones. Dylan plays a very similar role. Two second round picks. McCabe does not really a comp because he had two additional years left. and they retained half to juice it. And there was Sam Lafferty that was involved in that deal as well. Like I went through all the comps again this morning before I published to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

Brennan Dillon was six or seven years younger at the time of the deal. I mean, and not a free agent. So I just, you have to kind of consider everything. Age pending UFA, traded during the deadline period. blah, blah, like there's a whole formula to go through to find some real comps. And, you know,

I just think if you, if you're hoping, wishing, waiting, praying that you're going to get a first, it just, it feels like a bit of a long shot. And I,

you mentioned Toronto and like, would they overpay to, they don't have a second round pick until 2027. Their first, given where they are in the, in the standings right now, like, is somewhere in the 17, 18th,

19th overhaul range. It's actually a pretty decent first round pick at this point. It's not 29, 30, 31. That's not the type of move if I was Brad Trude Living first year in the job in Toronto that I'd be looking to pull off unless with Tanev being a Toronto guy like Gio, that you have some kind of, hey, we're going to sign up to play next year for 850K. The difference is TANF didn't make Gio money. So I don't know that TANF is going to be signing up to take such a,

huge discount in free agency. And it seems like it'd be so easy for the flames to eat money on that contract to make a little more appetizing, right? It'd be silly not to. Yeah. Retro, if, I mean, if some GM, if you're a GM or if somebody's calling you, hey, I know you watch a lot of flames hockey, you played, what are the, what are I getting in Tanev and what do I need to be concerned about it?

You know what you're getting, but I guess aside from the, just in, in terms of your, just the style. Are you a fan of Chris Tanev? Is you hear names like Walker or Kulak? I think Frank's right, though. You have to know what your team has and what it needs. I don't think you compare them to a Walker. Agreed.

Right. I think they're different players and you have to just go, my team needs this type of player. I don't need Tysonberry. I didn't think Pittsburgh needed Eric Carlson. You're selling a shutdown D, Red, right? So if someone asks you, hey, right, you've watched Flames. What are you seeing from TAN?

We need a shutdown D. what am I seen from Tanna? He's as good as you're going to get. Yeah. But he's happy to do it, right? He's happy to do it. That's half the battle, isn't it? Like that sequence in November, I linked to it in the story when he, he dove to take that puck off the face.

That's his hat trick. And then he said after the game, they're like, well, what were you thinking? He's like, I'm thinking I don't want the other team to score. Like, it wasn't like, oh, my God, I can't believe I did that. it was like, yeah, like, sure. Retzel thing, we'll show a player. There will be a game. I say, listen, if you're going to block it, block it.

If not get the F out of the way, Tanev's going to block it. And more often than not, he does. You don't have to put him through some sort of a shot blocking clinic. It's a blessing and a curse, though. Because you do want to, you take one of those at the wrong time in a series and all the sudden, all the assets or whatever you just gave up to get him. Yikes. So what about the other flames?

Three of the top five. Who else we got there, Frankie? Linholm at number one. We got Hanifin. Hanifin at five, I think. Yep. So it's a lot. And you're thinking those are much more valuable assets or similar neighborhood?

I mean, judging what you've talked about with age. No, Hanifan's further down because I think he's less likely to move. There might be a resigning. So, but, so just I agree with. you and I think the flame should try and keep him. I think he's a great asset, but I just think you leave such a whole in your organization, if you don't hang on to him.

Do what you want, and you're going to, you only know when you see the other side of the deal how it plays out, but it's still, the problem I have with that is it's up to Hanifim. Right? Like, if he doesn't want to sign, you can't sign him at all cost. And if Markstrom,

leaves, if Tenev leaves, and if they're dismantling, is, you know, is Hannafin going to want to be part of them? That's a tough, that's a tough sell, I think. So the best way I can explain how I feel about the Hannafin situation is I'm sure some guy out there at some point has been considering, you know, popping the question to their, to their lady. And it has some kind of feeling like, is this, is she really in it for the long haul? Is this really, the fit. And, you know, you go out and you spend the money and you buy the ring and then you find out a year and a half in that this was a really bad idea. That's the sort of trepidation that I would have if I were Craig Conroy, because it's, it's great that you can try and convince

him to stay and you roll out the red carpet and you give him the exact deal that he wants, but they already did that once. The flames actually already got down on one knee and proposed. And Hanifin was like, I'm not really sure about that. And that would make me extremely nervous because especially if you're a team that is going into what is probably a two or three year whatever you want to call it, not a rebuild, a retool. You don't want to get a halfway into that 18 months in and then go, yeah, Hanofin just requested a trade because he wants to play back in the U.S. again.

And like this is his opportunity, his chance to make that statement and become a free agent. The fact that it's not done yet would lead me to believe that, A, he's feeling some of that still as they continue to talk. And perhaps more importantly, hopefully the flames are feeling some of that of what I just mentioned. On the flip side, too, I wonder with him, he's been here for a while now. And he's seen the way we're going to continue to try and put veterans in the lineup and go to free agency and find it, answers. I think this year more than any I can remember, it's been clear that if there's going to be a future of winning here, it's through the kids. And Craig Conroy and Jerome, I just, I have faith in those two guys that they see it similarly and they could sit down with no

us. Listen, this is, we're not going to July 1 and buying a 30 year old guy. We're going through the kids. You are going to be a leader on this team. You're going to be able to skate for the rest of your life, this is where it's going. And we may not win the cup next year or the year after. But the vision of this team has changed. I think that's an easy sell. And if he was considering at all staying, the money's still going to be there, if not gotten better, because I think he's had a pretty good, he might have actually made himself a little bit more money from Craig. It's sometimes it's the devil you know. And I get it. If I'm Haniffin, I'm so close now to free agency.

I just feel like, well, I wouldn't I go and see what it looks like. But if he was, if he was entertaining it before, is there's been so much damage done franchise-wise that he would look at it and say, well, this is not the team. This is completely different than three months ago at this point aside.

I don't want to overstate this and make a headline out of it, but everything that I can understand is he doesn't want to play in Canada. maybe that has changed. It's always been amicable. It's been friendly. It's been whatever. But as you get to this juncture, you only arrive there maybe a couple times in your career.

So last time I checked, no matter what's happening on the ice, the flames still play in Calgary. So I, maybe I look at things too black and white. But if I were in that spot being Craig Conrad, I'd say like, look. I'm an American. I've loved living in Calgary. You've been here long enough to know what it's like. But you're either in or you're out. And if you're out, it's all good.

But we're moving you. And that's it. Like there's no, hey, could we kind of maybe find a way to make this work? Like you either want to be here and you want to be a Calgary flame or you're out. Next 10 days they have that chat. If I'm Craig Conroy, I have that chat during this break. Yeah. I absolutely do.

I just say sign it or we're going to go down the process of of making moves. And no hard feelings. No, you got your chance. You don't get to bitch about guys when they get their opportunity. You don't get to say, well, he's itself. No, that's their choice. Go get a whole for him too. Also the same way, though, you don't get to bitch if you sign the guy to the eight-year

contract and then he says that he wants out. because that's also on you then to have figured that out beforehand. I think you're just like with Craig and if you want to loop Jerome in. Craig signed a free agent deal to leave Calgary and go to L.A. Jerome left for a chance to win slash money, all of that. I don't know that it's, I don't think there would be hard feelings. They would get it because both of them did it. Now that leaves Lindholm atop your list.

Factoring all of that. You talk about caliber of players. likelihood of moving and all of that. What do you, Lindholm got a goal the other night first time in a long time for Elias. It's not been a great year to build your, or to up your stock as a free agent or to do much for your GM to trade you. Thoughts, I guess rationalization for him at one. It's not really a hard call.

First off, I don't mean to demean my own board, but the market is what it is. if you were to take the flames guys off the board, you'd look at this and say, this is a shitty market for pieces to move. And part of that's just the nature of there's a ton of guys locked up. Part of it is there's a bunch of teams just swimming in the soup this year. But head and shoulders, like I think everyone agrees that, yes, Sean Monaghan has played really well,

comeback player of the year, whatever award you want to give him, on track for 59. I think he actually has more points right now than than Lindholm does that, you know, put these two players side by side and one's head and shoulders above the rest. And I would also argue like, I don't know that points and goals are necessarily even the best way

to evaluate Lindholm's game. I think what we've seen and the track record is long enough to tell you that he's only really going to pile up elite numbers if he's playing with elite players. not necessarily the driver, but he's a hell of a complimentary piece. And I think at, you know, a top flight two C player, like he, he still has a ton of value on the market this year. So I think he would bring, you know, you're talking the best return of any player that would be available at the deadline short of probably Jake Gensel and that's it.

You haven't had of Hanifton, right? Yeah, I do. I think that if there was a big market for Hanifin, that it would have developed last summer. And I don't know why that is. Is it maybe? And I've thought a lot about this, actually. Is it maybe because Hanifin's good at a lot of things,

but not truly a lead at any one thing? It's weird you say that, because I think about that for all three of the flames guys that you talk about. They're easy guys to play with. They all do a lot of good things. I mean, I guess TANF you would say is elite at defending,

but there's no such thing as elite at defending and really, that's, do you know what I mean? No, like, you're just good at stuff. They're good. And if Lindo moves up the lineup, he can produce more, you get an injury to your number one center. Guess what? He can go there and play and do damn good. If you're so deep that he's playing

the third line center, you've got one F of a team. Same with TANF. You can, he can spot. Dude, he's played 24 minutes the other night. He can play a top four role for sure, but really he should be a five or six. Hanifin, wherever you need him. He's going to be a solid player. If you need him as your number one power play guy, no, that's not what you're getting.

All three of those guys to me, easy guys to play with and can play all over your line. So Hanofin was like sort of readily available, just like a bunch of guys were last summer. And I don't, I never got the sense that it was a burgeoning market and or that the flames were really that enthused about any of the conversations that they had. And I think that's kind of what led them back to, well, if we're maybe not getting a ton, and he's a big part of what we need. And frankly, with so many guys on expiring deals, we got to have some people left to play that he's an easy guy to keep.

But I kind of go back to what you were saying, right? Like, when you think about these guys that are, you know, pending UFAs, if they are, like, why aren't the flames better than they are? If they are so easy to play against, if they are that good, like that's the one thing I wrestle with is this team has struggled with these guys. Yeah, I just look, they don't have a star forward.

They don't. Many team have many star forwards. We sat in the summer and said, who can you guarantee he's going to get you 30 goals? And there's no one. Like, Cadre, maybe 25. Lindholm had 24 the year prior. You didn't know what Sharon Govich was.

Blake Coleman and never had more than 22. And I don't put the failings this team on the top four defense. I think that's that and their goalie are their, they're two greatest strengths. I think that, but you're right. I think there's, I think there's 10.5 million dollars of wasted space. And that you can say a lot of teams have that, but usually usually that 10 and a half isn't your best player or supposed to be your best player. It's what they're missing. So I was thinking about the Kings though today. Like they do have some star pieces that have been really underwhelming. They don't have a single guy on their roster that's a

point per game this year. They've got a pretty stout defense core. They've got to, you know, go through. They've got a waste of eight and some million dollars in P.L. Dubois. Like, yet that's a team that's in the playoffs. Maybe you could make the argument with the way that they've played since Christmas, two, eight and six, that they won't be for long. But how different, you know, I look at the flames and I look at the Oilers and, or not the Oilers, the Kings, and line up their rosters next to each other. And I know which one I'm picking without even thinking. Yep.

No, and there's some high end there. Like Fiala, Kempi, Kopitar, Byfield. Flames don't have anyone in that category in terms of like skill, finishing, ceiling. The results, oddly enough, like, aren't really all that different, though. That's like, I think, sorry, Dean, to follow up on that is that I think there's a whole group of teams that are kind of in that vein, right? like there's not a lot of separation between a lot of these teams and the flames have made up have stayed in that conversation sadly not because of the players that we're talking about but because of their goaltender and it's the opposite i think that the kings have had well although the king's

goalies were were okay for a while to a couple of former flames guys talbot started the year on fire since Christmas or since, you know, sometime in November, I think he's down in the 897, 900 range. And then Riddick, for whatever reason, unknown to man, somehow has a 920 in his last number of games. And I'm like, what is happening here? You don't have Jacob Markstrom on your board. Probably, and again, I'm probably with you. I don't know that he does get traded. But is there any intel there?

or do you just, are you looking more at UFAs or that sort of, I guess, the parameters for being on the list? No, it's not just UFAs. There's guys that have term on there. Part of it is Markstrom holds all the cards. He's got the full no trade. Part of it is, I think the market for goaltending has really changed. And the other part is, it's the term remaining on his deal. It's not hugely problematic, but I just look at some of the teams that have signed goalies in that.

range that have spent that kind of money and that kind of term, they haven't really loved the, you know, being stuck with a guy and not to say that that's what you'd get if you have him because he's played lights out this year. But this position is incredibly fickle. Like last year, it would probably, we would have been like someone would trade for Jacob Markstrom. Like, that's really the conversation we'd be having, right? That's almost why I think they should sell him, Frank, because it's so volatile. This is a career type year from Markstrom. I don't think there'll be a moment. He's worth more. I also think they should retain a couple million, but I can't see him being worth more at any point than three theoretical playoff runs and like top three or four in the

league in terms of goals saved above expected. Well, then we also didn't get to the part about Wolf and not to have that debate again, but like you have to clear a path for him at some point and probably as soon as this summer. And if you do it by the deadline, even better, then you get a peek at them before you get into the summer and know a little more about what you have. Like, I see a lot of reasons why it would make sense here, especially if you want to get a top five pick as well. He's held them in some games. They have no business being in case and points Saturday night. I would move Lidar first, but that's just me. Can you? Of course you can. At 2.2? Of course. Who wants them at 2.2? Or you have to retain. You're probably going to just get exactly what you traded for him to begin with, which is a third.

help you get the fifth over or top five. No, but I'm taking it a third. Isn't that deal done? I don't get the sense that's out there. Do you know? It's the term. I feel one more year at 2.2. I was going to ask you.

I don't think that's problematic. I think that's right in the range of what he should be. And, you know, there are nights that you look at him, like the Battle of Alberta a couple weeks ago, that you're like, damn, this is good. And this is a huge guy that, you know, whoever it is the right person working with,

can get him back into shape. That's an easier, to me, it's the path of least resistance to clear the space. And also, like, don't you want Markstrom working with Wolf? Yeah, perfect world. I just think if there was going to be a hall for Markstrom, you just say, we got to take all these. There is no hall.

There's never a hall for goalies. That's what I'm saying. You're trading him and retaining for what? That's what I was just going to say. How are the number of goleys that have been traded for a first round pick? But how many Vesda type goalies have been traded? I don't know. I don't think.

Markstrom's had a great year, but he's not Vesina type for me this year. I think it could be top five is my guess is where he finishes. Yeah, probably five or six. I'll get some votes, but they won't be first place votes. Yeah. And you could make an argument depending on how you look at the numbers that he's, you know, could be even lower than that. I don't just spitballing.

They've just been so bad defensively. That's really what we've been impressed with. Like five breakaways in the first half against Chicago, and they win one nothing. Like first half of the game they had five against. Are you kidding me? But I think the same way about Sorokin, whose numbers on the surface might not be that impressive,

but has continued to bail out the Islanders night after night. Totally, totally. I get that. It's just, on the door of the playoffs. Sorokin's not going to get traded. Hellebuck's not going to get traded. Ottinger's not going to, like,

there's just, if you're talking about guys getting Vesnevotes, no one else is available. Am I right? Right, but my point is that if you are thinking, again, Markstrom, one year older next year, and not to say goalies can't continue to compete, like, if I were trying to think of some teams that are in a spot where they could really use, like, if I'm New Jersey. That's one team that I would think about maybe just because there's been such a lack of stability at the position. Carolina, they got no goalies under contract for next year. They have Coachekhov under contract next year

For three years in addition And what's he been this year? He's actually been, he was fantastic Before he had a concussion He had a stretch of After his first five wonky games of the year Was like 930 something The list available daily faceoff.com

How often do you go back and do you rejig things Or is that kind of set? How does that work? Once a week we're 40 days out today once a week and then as we get closer twice a week and then the last week every day

what are you doing for the all-star break buddy are you getting some sun so you are going to be bringing my parker to Toronto right oh I left it in your car so you did yeah I was going to take a carry on hopefully it fits plus nine here you don't need that jacket

no but Frank needs it in his life at some point so I'll be taking thing. All right, buddy. Are you do? Now it's a huge break. Flames are off for ever. You doing anything?

Yeah, it's working. I'm working. That's what I'm doing. Okay. I don't, I'm not going to Cabo. I'm not going to go, I'm not going to go to Palm Springs like Pinder.

You could do that, though. This is the digital age. It's, I could take a couple days in March after the deadline. Is there? Because there's no trade freeze, during the All-Star break, is there? Nope. And I was thinking about this,

Rhett, if you were a player, would you want to, like, is a trade during the All-Star break? Like, are you cursing your manager, or are you loving him? I think it's different for everyone. You got kids. It's probably easier.

If you're the single guy, don't make, yeah, but what if you're like on a beach in Mexico? And you're like, hey, uh, Rhett, you've been traded to. You're probably, no matter what, unless you're looking to get out, you're cursing a trade. Right? Like you're like, some number.

Like I was not excited when Brian Murray phoned me and I had my golf clubs on my back. And I was heading to the course in Florida. Hey, you're headed to Buffalo now. What can you do a Brian Murray impression or no? No, I can't. He's such a good guy. God love him. God love him.

All right, pal. Good to talk to you as always. We will see you in a couple days. See you guys. There you go. Frank Zara Valley on the insider hotline of presentation of Tellus. Once again, six monthly prizes, including tickets to Calgary games, awesome tech like AirPods, Apple Watches and more. No purchase necessary.

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I know you don't like that. I know you're not happy. You wanted Frank to tell you how much they were going to get for Markstrom. See, but here's the thing. Don't you always say goalies never get traded? Who trades for goalies? Yeah, no. And last year, it's what I was saying because it was no good.

But if a goalie is going to move, he's going to be informed. And Markstrom is unquestionably in form right now. I think he's still a little, like, he's thinking Monaghan's going to get more than Tannib at the deadline. I have a real tough time with that. If you're a GM and you've watched both these guys, who do you want more to add to a contending team? Tannove and I get different positions or Monaghan.

It's what you need, I think, more of it. It is an interesting conversation. Now, Boomer and I have both said to you, not to the extent that Frank has, how are you going to move all of these guys and you think you're going to get so much for everyone? It just doesn't feel like it's a realistic. And Frank's kind of reiterating that. then even he's more in depth than certainly I would be.

I am a little depressed on what Frank thinks the return for so. Oh my God. I just, I felt that way all along. But you wouldn't have, you wouldn't have Lindholm being worth way more than Hannifin like he does. I don't buy that either. Why not? Well, I mean, you've just been so down on Lindholm's whole year.

You're thinking there's going to be nothing there for him. So, I mean, I, I, I, like, I, I, I, I, I, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I think Hanathan is the most valuable chip they have. And Frank said otherwise. And that's fine. Like, we'll see what happens. It's not like there's a contest or anything. But I just think, boy, quite a bit younger, having a better year.

And played 27 minutes on Saturday. Like, not going to run your power play, but I think there's a hall for Annafen if they move them. We didn't really talk about the return for Hanofin, though. The, the Chris Russell one hits because I think that, that I can see that. type of a return. Here's a second and a warm body. And it can go to a first if we make it. And if we make it to and because it was what the conference final or the cup final, then it'll go to a first and he's got to play X amount of games and all that sort of thing. I can't help wondering if that's what

it's going to end up looking like. We forget all of these contingency deals. But I, I don't know. I don't love it. Yeah. I don't love it. I'm a little more bullish on the D market there than like to his point and ours is like there's no other shutdown D moving here. I'm a little bit. He made, he's been available is that, you know, when Frank said that, he goes, if he's such a hot commodity. Hanif, Hanifin or Tannafin? Hanifin. Yeah, okay.

Sorry. Why last, why not last summer? Because it would have benefited Hanifin as well. Yeah. And I want to pull up and that my thought is, okay, draft class and new GM. Is that a tough time to get a deal done? Like that was an epic draft class and everyone's trying to rob Connie Blonde. Well, yes, you don't know what the offers, but I could get if the offers were no good,

but if they aren't any good, you're not going to sewer your team. If you believe Hanifan is the right fit and a guy you want to put some value behind, you're not going to, because Conroy's a new GM go, oh, we're not going to make this deal because I'm trying to spur of hold. I believe in conversations that I've had is that there was nothing that even tempted them in terms of trade offers. Yeah. And I get it. That's the time of year. Like if you really need a Hanifin or 10, we'll talk to you in March.

Yeah. So here we are. Yeah. Getting towards March. And then the one guy we talked about is Markstrom. Well, that feels like an offseason if that's going to happen. You know what I mean? We just kind of keep moving it forward because it does.

I, I, I'm not. though there's still, I think Marksum's playing so well. Banners fly forever, whatever. Flags fly forever. Whatever cheesy saying you want. It's one thing to, so goalies don't move and they're this and they're that and you can't. You wouldn't have traded for Markstrom last year. Why?

He is playing that good. And if you think you're a goal to, how often do you get a chance to get a goaltender that's playing that good? Like I'm oblivious to it because we're this stuff comes up. We don't plan what we're going to talk about. I've done no research. I probably wouldn't anyway. But what good goaltender has moved at the deadline? Yeah, like Corpusala goes last year.

He's not bad. Yeah, it's usually support guys. Right? And you can say you can break down the numbers however you want. And it's the same as why are the flames worse off than the kings or this? Well, they're kind of in the same vein. And maybe Markstrom is sixth than Vezna. he's fucking

he's lights out he's awesome right now he's awesome right now and any team he would be on would be awesome right now right or that's right right like he immediately elevates and makes your team a contender doesn't he yeah it was about Carolina and Jersey they're good already yeah you're telling me that like i don't know Toronto and LA I think those are the four teams What you win with? You don't win if you don't have a goalie. And if you've been watching,

you've been sending your pro scouts out, it's not about Vesnavotes. It's not the language that they would talk about. This guy is, yeah, he's been playing terrific. I watch two games. I've watched four games. I watch their road trip. I watch their homestead, whatever it is.

I can't think off the top of my head of a game where I'd say, uh, Markstrom wasn't great. Even in nights where there's maybe a, uh, bleep type of a goal, an Sburger. There's probably another one where he stopped the breakaway or did something that made you say, wow, that's, because you think of that game against Columbus where he misplayed the puck twice. Okay. But then watch another game.

How many breakaways? How many times did he stop this player, that player? But it becomes, that's a major deal. It's a difficult deal to get done because of the salary in the term for sure. But yeah, if you're scouting the Flames on Saturday, what are you texting your GM? Flames should have got beaten by half an HL team. and half the Chicago Blackhawks team. The only reason they get two points is because Markstrom was bleeping

sensational. Five breakaway saves. We can't say HL players. That's right. So anyway. Don't say that part. Only, what, 40 more days did Frank say? 40 more days of this talk. Oh, I'm so sick of these guys talking about it.

Six. We got a, well, we kind of teased this last week. and time for getting in is good. It is time, ladies and gentlemen. Rhett, it's been about 10 years. 2013, I believe, is the last time. And at that time, in 2013, you put the booster cables to an event

and brought it back to life. Well, we're doing it again. Just once every decade or so. The paddles. Thursday, February 29th. We told you to save the date. We told you it's coming. It is the Barnburner,

Bolorama. We are going to be rolling. We be, what's that song? We be rolling and, uh, Hayden, something. Rotting dirty. Right. Run. We'll be rolling. Something like that. Coming up, uh, ooh, that looks good. There it is. It's the Barnburner Bollorama. Coming to Splitsville. Now it's formerly let's bowl at, uh, 2916, 2916 5th Avenue, Northeast. They, are going to be our hosts coming up on the 29th. Yes, Feb 29 as we bring back the Bolorama, strikes, spares, celebrities, gutter balls, great food and drinks, laughs, good times, and it's in support

of our friends at Kidsport. The link is open. You can sign up your team now, nationgear.ca. Going to have more and more and more going to be added to this event as we get closer to it. We're above, what's the day? It's more a month away from right now. Some food provided by Oudle Noodle, some refreshments from our friends at Origin Brewing. I wonder what that could be.

I wonder what they might. But there it is. Put in your team of four. Now there's going to be celebrities. You might get one on your team. They might be, we might be circulating them through. There might be a,

maybe an auction to get a ringer or two in there as well. But we had, I think it was 2013. And to date, retro, this is one of my favorite events. it's not all day. It's a few hours. You show up. You mix with some people.

You do something that maybe you haven't done in years and years like bowling. It's fun. And then you leave. And it's, we had a lot of good reaction is what I'll say from the last one. And I'm not sure why it took us this long to bring it back. But we're pumped to have it back and in support of our friends over at kidsport. And presented, of course, from our event sponsor at McLeodlaw.

Do you think Peter Klein's got, do you think he's got on the tiptoes like, like Freddie Flintstone? And then the big hook. Do you think it? Can you do that, Retro? Do you get a, do you spin it? You have the custom ball?

You spin it? I used to be able to. And I used to have the custom ball, but he's frozen again. I know he's frozen. The, I don't know how guys do that. And you know what else? A guy with my stature should be a hell of a bowler,

shouldn't he? Like I should be deadly on the, uh, at the bowl. And when you hear the, when the ball comes off the hand and they're spinning, when you hear their finger, when their fingers pop out of that thing. God. I'd have to watch the Big Lebowski and get a little jacked up here. Yeah, kingpin. White Russians.

Kingpin. Yeah. Get into it here, folks. This one was incredible 10 years ago. I think it was my first year working with you guys at the station. And it's just like how many millions of golf tournaments has everyone been to? Not in the Spanish golf tournament. And they're great, but it's just tough to stand out.

And then this is like, oh, my God. God, this is the most unique one-off of an event I've ever been to, and it was a blast. Everyone loved it. Yeah, we're going to do it up. Feb 29, nationgear.ca, you saw the link there. It's on the main page. You go to the events as well. You'll find it there and get your team signed up.

We expect this will. We've been kind of putting it out to some sponsors and other friends. It sounds like this is going to be, let's call it a well-attended event, and we're pumped for it. to bring it back one more time. Sponship opportunities available as well as teams for sale now at Nationgear.com. Reach out. Reach out. We need to do something about your internet retro for sure because this is now.

It's internet. Yeah. I want to put them in the car at this point. Are you there at all? Even audio wise? Can we hear you? That's supposed to be bad luck. That's got to be it.

Yeah. It's because it doesn't happen every day. What's that? Wait a minute. Happens every day. It does happen every day. Oh, shoot, sorry. Only every day. Okay, we talked to Frank.

Got the Pinda Report coming up. We are, well, you heard us talking with Frank, because I want to get this in, we are going to be, I guess, kind of a programming note of sorts. Yeah. We are expecting there to be no show on Wednesday. The show. Things may change. They can change in a heartbeat. but on Wednesday, Wednesday is a travel day.

We are headed and taking the show to Toronto. It is All-Star game this weekend for the National Hockey League. And we are going to be doing shows from Toronto. And it's sponsorship X is the event. It is tied around the All-Star game. It's tied around media and obviously sponsorships and this whole thing. But we are going to be doing, are we at the Fairmont, Royal York? I believe we're being doing some shows down in the end.

entertainment district. Ooh. Down by front street, close to the skydome, seeing the tower. No big deal. Hockey Hall of Fame, Rhett,

did they got you coming in to speak to some kids or what? I'm still waiting for Lantney's got my number, right? Right. Yeah, he's on that committee. That's right. Either way, he's going to be able

to get a hold of you. He knows people that know you and you know people that know him. Maybe it'll be a good time to rub elbows. Anyway, we're going to be there. It's the All-Star game. and we are going to be live from the Seagram's VO Whiskey Studio at Sponsorship X.

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Because there's a history behind it. And there is some, you know, what's differing opinions? But in the early 1900, Seagram's VO. designed as a wedding gift from Joseph Seagram for his son. Now what they did is they found the very best barrels of their whiskey, set it aside in the warehouse and marked it VO as in their very own. So this isn't for everybody else. This is for our big event.

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My mouth is sweating. A little, can you smell it? Seagram's VO whiskey will be from the Seagram's VO Whiskey studios on Thursday and Friday from Toronto. And we are looking forward to that, a little bit of a road trip. Now I guess we got to be on our best behavior. We need to look presentable. Is that what this is? Well, I've got my haircut a couple weeks ago for this, Dean.

So you said, uh, yeah, that's true. You did get the mullet. So pretend to be somebody you're not. Uh, dress up. Like I don't even know. Be fancy, be well behaved. I don't even know if I have a button up shirt. Don't high kick in the lobby at 2 a.m.

Okay. Yeah, I'm writing this down. I don't know. I can't promise anything, Dean. We need someone to make a list of rules. Now, that may. not be the case. I'm just thinking maybe it would be a spot where we would be on our best behavior, but maybe not. Maybe like you say, Red, we'll just keep everything rolling the way it is.

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And I guess it looks as though the schedule will change Thursday, Friday, Barnburner from Toronto. Showtime will be 1230 Mountain. As there's a whole, there's a whole bunch of shows going on. They're popping in out Leaves Nations doing their thing. Daily face off, Frank's going to be there. Nick Albert. Everybody's going to be there. So we are going to have Barnburner in a, in a new spot for those two days,

1230 until 2 p.m. Subject to change. So there you go. Do you like that, retro? Yeah. I did. Yes. Figured you might.

I wonder, do we get samples? We're in the VO-wiski. I mean, if we're in the studio, it would be rude not to at least, you know, get some product placement, on-site knowledge of the product. Not that we haven't had it before, but it was currently stated up to the times. It is time for the Pinder report. Can I get some of my very own? Yeah, I know.

This is my very own. See how they spelled the whiskey? No, E. In Canada, it's whiskey. Just a K-Y at the end. those crazy Americans with their bourbons and stuff, they throw an EY in there. I'm not sure why they do that.

Seems unnecessary. It's a drum apart, right? Rye, bourbon. Is that now only rye, rye has no E? Is that what you're saying? That's correct, yeah. It's part of the spilling, right?

Their whiskeys down there are corn based. So there's no rye whiskey in the U.S.? I'm sure there's some, but I mean, yeah, I think most whiskeys that are from Rye have the no E, and all the bourbons in the States and corn, EY. I maybe I've missed this up but that's my knowledge in situation I need some Cagrams people to talk to us and we're there you should have got into the Pinder report first

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Well, let's check in on afterburner following a 1-0-0-flames win. There's lots of room for this team to be much worse if you are on Team Tank. And if you're on team, you can make the playoffs. Tonight's a tough watch because that's a bare-bones. half the Blackhawks, half the Rockford Ice Hogs type roster, and you're in shambles defensively. I mean, I don't know if I can name half that roster tonight, honestly. And the funny thing is, is after the first period,

the flames expected goal ratio was 29%. The only reason it was that high is because the back line was at 60. It would be interesting to see what the team would be like without the back of line doing what they do most nights. Yeah. Most people consider them second or third on the depth chart, whenever you see those sort of depth charts every night. before a game, but they're the first line

in terms of, they chew glass all night. They play the hardest minutes and they're usually the best line on the night in terms of chances and shots. So even with the line that played well in the first period, caved in against an awful club.

Thank you, Jacob Markstrom. Two points for you, Calgary. It's just... What are those numbers? How do you get those and know them? I mean, they're readily available on the internet for those seek them. No, they're on the internet, but how are they, who's, like, how's

the calculation? I'm not questioning it. I was like, he knew that at the end of a period, all these what? Yeah, based on where shots come from, there's an expected goal of, let's say, 10%, 5%, 1%, 90%, this is my concern. I'm sorry, I'm kind of

hijacking this. We should do this off the air, but I don't want to. We're going to Toronto. We're going to frickin' dress up. We're going to be around professional people that do this professionally like and have these numbers and stats and i'm going to be show up and look like we're they know who we are they're inviting us they're not inviting people in calgary they've never met to talk about corcy that's not us i'm a little worried if please show up there and do some experience what we do people be like

what is this i thought this i thought they did fart jokes and stuff we'll be true to ourself retro okay yeah we'll make sure the internet line is My anxiety was just guy rocketing. If you don't talk about gravy, gravy, I'll be disappointed in you when Toronto. I'll leave it right there. We are who we are. We'll have a great ask red on Thursday the first day.

We can ask you all the reasons you love Toronto. My friend's an idiot. He's getting married. Should he? No. Never get married. Word time. He's nuts.

Are they talking about hockey? I thought it was the All-Star game. It's a hockey show, you say? Okay, look at the standings. And again, it's all perspective, gentlemen. 24th in the league. Not ideal. That red cutoff is a big gap there.

But sometimes you've got to just twist your perspective a little, Dino. Yeah, there we are. See? So I think. Cut off. What are we putting that? Well, there's just a big gap in the records. I see.

Minnesota's two games under 100, under 500, and Columbus is nine. That's a large chasm there. I think they can be the worst. Last best of those teams below the red line, boys, I really do. If you start moving assets. Yeah, if Conrad get off his ass and move some guys, let's go. And I feel for Connie here, you can't just make a deal when you want to make a deal done. You got to make a deal when other teams are ready to do it.

Everyone is absolutely dry-humping the cap. You need every single day to pass to open up more cap space for a lot of these clubs. I'm sure he would have loved to trade Chris Tannib in December. Eat salary. They will be doing that. Yeah. That and, right? I think the Oilers have less than a million bucks in space at the deadline.

And that's if they wait right to the last day. That's like they can only add barely a league minimum player. That's where a lot of the contenders are this year. It's not going to be easy. Speaking of the cap, Ryan Pike had noted three players were sent down by the flames. Coronado, Schwint, Klopka, all down. Why would you send them down? Don't those fellows deserve an all-star break?

Well, here's how tight the cap is. 10 days of those guys in the miners open up a half-million. for the big club at the deadline. It's a pike ball for you. They'll have some space. We'll see how they weaponize it. Shouldn't they go down because they need to play to? That could be that too.

Double bonus. Two good reasons to send them down, right? So potentially they could add, because I'm thinking maybe, well, why are they going to be adding salary? Are they going to be? Well, you could maybe take some bad money. Is that what you're saying?

An extra half a million there? You could be a bank for a team and say, we'll take the player you're moving to Toronto, eat half, give us a second, and then we'll move them to Toronto. I've seen that happen numerous times in the last two years. And there you have it. And there you have it. Or you could go, hey, Julian Breespaw, it's Craig Conroy. We're looking to add Craig to Stamcoastmer. He's a free agent. I don't know if you noted, we got lots of castpace. We want

Stamcoast. Bring them in. There are Stamcoast away, guys. Great score. Less of that, more of the former. As noted with Frank, who we just had on, big article, specifically on Chris Tanna. Yes, he's got his trade targets and his trade board, but a full article dedicated to exactly who is Chris Tannav. How does he play? What is he worth? Worth a read.

And the Chris Russell one does feel like it's in neon Dean. I like him more than Chris Russell. I think he's a better version of Chris Russell, but they're the same type of player. And I think it's probably a reasonable baseline for a return. Shot blocker, blood and guts, heart and solar. whole heart and solar.

Yeah. I do feel your disappointment, though. I feel that you're disappointed. You're... I don't think, no. It just feels a little conservative, that's all. Again, these are auctions, right? And when you get two people that want the same asset,

a price can go a lot higher than maybe what you'd think. It's one of those things because there's so many trades every year, there's a case that can be built on either side. Like he has Chris Russell and Kulak and that. And then, yeah, like you said, Whether or not Ben Chirot was a success or failure, the trade still happened. Yes, and he's a better player this year than Ben Chorot, even though he was way younger, was that year. And he's a better player than David Savard was when Tampa brought him in to be a third pair guy.

He will play more minutes than David Savard did with the cup winning Tampa Bay Lightning. We've got a first. So you can play both sides of it. And it's what makes the deadline fascinating. Some years, it's like, wow, you're getting that for that player. Another year's like, wow, it's just a soft market. We don't know what it is yet. We'll see the real offers come in in the next six weeks.

I saw this on the weekend and I really enjoyed it. This was on Flames Twitter. If only they could just find a way to get a high pick. Can't believe Marksham's doing that to them. For those listening on the audio podcast, D. Could you explain said cartoon or graphic? Well, you have the flames at the top of the screen and they're a body of water, a big burgeoning, strong body of water.

The reservoir, Dean. And then at the bottom is Maclin Celebrini, who's expected to be the top pick, the top prospect coming into the draft. And then there's a big concrete, strong dam that's holding back that body of water. And it just says Jacob on it. So basically, Markstrom is the only thing holding the flames back from getting the number one pick or the top prospect. Yeah, it might be exaggerating a little, but a top five pick might be down in that valley. But if you're in the top five, what are your,

odds. Yeah, you got a cut in the lottery, right? Yeah. And the thing is you finish dead last, there's still a better chance of you not picking first overall. That frigging Marks. That's scattered. People should be booing at the dome. Here's a breakaway for Kachuk. Oh, big save Marks. Boom!

What are you doing, dude? Now Kirschov on a breakaway. Boo! He stopped them again. Now, Reichold moving in. Boom! Markstrom! Draft lottery! You're screwing us! Either that or he's pumping up his trade value to, maybe even something.

That's right. Best of both worlds. You get something in the trade and then tumble. Tankaroo. You're going to love this. I assume you've seen it, Dino. Rhett, probably not you. Torts, we were saying it's been too pretty in Philly.

It's been a nice run in the last two weeks for Torts. The plays went and not doing the things that maybe you guys did really well. Are you the same guy we talked? I talked about, was I, did I go at you the last, not answer any of your questions. Now remember, Cutter Goce was traded from Philly to Anaheim. He wouldn't talk to the brass of the flyers when he was over at the World Juniors. They get the young defenseman Jamie Drysdale back from Anaheim, big swap of some mega prospects. And one of the reporters that said, maybe, just maybe Kevin Hayes, who left has been talking with Cutter Goce and saying,

you don't want to play for torts. And it was totally debunked by anyone surrounding Kevin Hayes' camp. And Torts lost it on the guy. Well, that guy's trying to, he's got a job to do, not much longer. You can't do your job. Sorry, Jack, do you have that video again? Because I love the look on Torts's face. Because you can see, it's kind of sinking in.

And there's already that look of disgust in his face. He's not hearing a word of the question. It's like, you, it's you, isn't it? You son. and not doing the things that maybe you guys did really well. Are you the same guy we talked, I talked about, was I, did I go at you the last, not answer on your question. I mean, I don't know.

Are you the same idiot? Are you back here again asking stupid questions? And he doesn't play. He's like, I don't want him to speak for me else, but are you, was that, that was that? Yeah. When you put yourself in, in Torts's head there, say, wait a minute. is this that MFer that is it?

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Are you the guy? Are you the one? I thought it. So, Peter, what kind of reporting did you do down at the arena today? What's the latest of the fight? The coach won't talk to me.

Yeah, Anthony, how'd the one-on-one go with torts? Not good. Yeah, no, he's not to. He told me to have a lot. What about him there? You can't get a one-on-one. What about the press? He won't answer my questions.

Yeah, he won't. Are you the guy? But Dean, we all know you love sharks. So let's go to the San Jose sharks. One of your favorite color schemes. They've added the New Jersey. Look at this little tweak on the logo. How many jerseys has this team had since coming into the league?

I don't know. Is it more or less than other teams? I have no idea. It's just so many. Black is very prominent, Rhett. What do you think? It looks like an HL jersey. That's what I would say.

It's, yeah, is that not what the bear? Worcester sharks? What do we got here? That's great. Whatever. This is kind of neat. On the weekend, it was Detroit facing Vegas. The wings got a big upset win.

And have a look as Christian Fisher drives the net hard on this Andrew Cop goal. I haven't seen this in age. This is a classic old move. D. The old. Completely snows. I believe it's Logan Thompson. on the school.

Logan's for Calgary. Can't do that. That is a face full of snow. Good luck on that cop shot. Well, you can't run the goalie. We know that. He'll get suspended. Did you video that on your TV at home? Someone had this on the old Twitter.

Do you use a bar of soap to record that? Hell. I do have video evidence. You've got a better version. We'd love to see it. Okay. Brown University, Former, of course, our favorite alumni or alumnist, as Rhett would say, is who from Brown?

Brown Bears. Who? Curtis. Curtis. Kurtus. Not Curtis. Maybe he did. Garnett Hathaway.

That was our boy. My brother got a letter from Brown as a youngster. What letter was it? Like this game. An A grade. The women's brown team had a whale of a player. It's the first time I think we've had the women's Brown University team. on the show. Let's have a peek.

Sadly. And that's a pretty good pace. I'm waiting for the first person to do that to come around the back of the net, grab the puck, and then go to whip it in the net and put it right in the netting. Above the net? Right out of play,

two minute minor. Get in the box. My thing is that person coming around the net, if they're doing that, their head is 100% down staring at their stick. Yeah, drill-time. Wendell Clark is going to reemerge in somebody's mind. I'm putting this.

Right in your sternum. Yes. What would the junior sabers have to say about such a play? Is that showing up the sport or is that just a high skill play? What was the score of the game? I don't know if they had a bug in the corner. What was it? It might have been a big goal.

You're showing it up or is it a player in the game? We were reading a team the other day pretty good. And none of the boys tried it and I did not approve. Didn't you say, though, the score, the way you coach, it's not about what the score is. It's about the over, just how your team plays the game in general. Yeah, but when you have, you're up a whole bunch, you're going to rub it in and make, clearly the team you're beating is not as good as you are. So you're going to start showboating by doing, trying fancy players.

It was one of your guys that did the Michigan? Yeah, we tried it. Yeah, we were way up. And this kid tried to do it. I'm like, no, no, no, no. Respect the game. that is kind of the discussion point on the Michigan's is it showing up is it showboating or is that

just the same as I think it's part of the game now it's one hell of it's I think that the the old man yelling at the clouds is going to end because it's going to happen a whole bunch and it's it's like what's Gretzky's setting up behind the net the office yeah what would be worse for that kid on your team coming to the bench after trying it being when you're up by four or down by four you can't show

boat, you're showing up your opponent, or what are we doing here? If it goes in and you're down for, I don't use any problem. I guess so. Who did we see some? What was my other kids' team? We were down to two or three. He had a breakway and he did try to go through the legs

on the breakway and we're like, this is not. Time in place, Billy. Time place. Yeah. Let's go to the NFL, fellas. One game left. I'm sorry about that. The good news is it's the game of the year. It is the Super Bowl. It is two weeks. minus a day away, and it is a rematch.

Kansas City against San Francisco. Oh, get excited, fellas. Look at this. Is this the game that was last year or two? Not last year, no. Two years ago? Please, a couple years ago, yeah. There's a big save Brock and Patty Mahomes.

Oh, get excited. Get excited, Dean. FAB 11. Feb 11. How do we feel? We'll do our picks later. We don't worry about that. In terms of sex appeal, in terms of the matchup, are we happy?

Because I don't know that it gets any better for storylines than these two. Very, very happy. Tons of sex appeal for sure. Taylor Swift in the Super Bowl. People are going to hate it. People are going to love it. And Brock, Mr. Irrelevant. Yeah, just going to be back Brady if he don't win, son.

Yeah. Game manager. Silence them. Silence them. Well, I'll say, like, where Green Bay went in and almost beat Sanford. And then Detroit went in and should. the beat said.

They're up big in the first half. Yeah. Right. Like, poor Detroit. What's our takeaway there? It's like, this is not the same old lines.

This is new. That's kind of a lion'sy thing that they would have done there. Wow. Pretty good lead. I feel like Dan Campbell for as good as he is at a lot of stuff, he needs a guy on his hip

that just does fourth down stuff for him. Everything else just keep doing what you're doing. Oh, Antonio Brown. Stop, Antonio. And that is the first time I've seen the hashtag C-T-E-S-P-N. he is insane Antonio Brown. It's tough with Campbell, right?

Because he's done it all year. It's what he's done. It works. And it's like, this guy's got the biggest balls in the building, man. This guy's so good. You can't win.

A little hard to argue this. I mean, so if he doesn't do it and it's like, oh, look at this. He abandons what got him to the dance. If this was the regular season, like he just can't win. And everyone's going to hindsight the shit out of you.

If he makes, he's a genius. If he doesn't, he's a complete moron. And it's, all he has is that moment to make the decision. I just worry about when he goes through his decision-making tree, talks about his feelings and his gut. It doesn't feel like it's a calculated measurement. It doesn't need to be, but I'd put a man on that guy's hip that just does fourth-down shit. I'm a Dan Campbell myself.

I kind of like that. I love him. I think it's been great, but he's going to get. I'm doing it my way. me, man. Who's this guy in my hip, man? Hey, geek. Get out of here. Give me a cola. Brandon Ayuk made the play of the game. A long pass bouncing off the helmet of a lion's defender. He then secures it and was marked down at the five, then caught the touchdown in the fall that really swung the game in San Fran's favor. I love this. This is the family post game.

Mom and dad. What are you thinking, dad? Oh, man, what a game. What a game. He came up. got a nickel time so we're so happy we're going to the super bowl that's so good it is good god to the super bowl we got to the super bowl that's pumped that's exciting uh tickets are pretty expensive dad i'm not sure i'm checking on my phone as we speak i'm going to say you're not going to find anything under 10k us let me know how it goes and this will be probably the most expensive time it's two weeks out you know the teams and people are going to try to set up travel i don't think i'm going Yeah, no, I wasn't expecting. Oh, prices have dropped since the bills got 11.

Yeah. 8,400. You're in the building. Oh, yeah. Okay, so I was a little high. Maybe 10 K. Canadian. Canadian.

Oh, wow. More than that. What a bargain. There's the numbers, if you didn't see it. The line opened at two and a half for San Francisco immediately dropped down to minus one. Some money came in on Kansas City, which makes sense. That feels like it should be close. And again, people were.

left asking yesterday, why did I bet against Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs? It's got that Brady type feel. The team might not feel dominant, but again, some of us didn't. Some of us didn't. And what's impressive is it wasn't, it was on Mahomesy, right? It was taken what was there. They give Purdy the shot about being a game manager. Wait, stop that comment.

He was game manager. 100% Mahomesy. He does what he has to. Do to win. Don't take shots at his boy. And the Dean was sensational. I'm saying it's more impressive. I mean,

the Valdez Gantlin was a deep ball. But it was not, we're going to be patient. It looked like a team that was very comfortable in the spot. Yep. Or is Baltimore. Not so much. Not so much at all.

Okay. Kansas City has looked, sorry, just the last two road games. Oh, this team's never played on the road. They look just fine. They almost that they relish.

You know where they play on the road? other stadiums. You know what they play on the road? Super Bulls. Yeah. And half their games every regular season. Yeah. I agree. So where's just kind of heartstrings, even if you don't like either team or whatever? What are you wanting to see? The dynasty

or the Niners with this Mr. irrelevant kind of breaking through finally? That's a hell of a matchup. Brett, I feel like it's more, if I'm looking behind you and I see a Bill's flag, there's going to be a lot of people wanted to see Mahomes fail. Oh, for sure. the people yeah i don't get that way about teams i'm more interested like brady for a while i couldn't

stand brady and the arrogance and then it was just like well i don't have to like him i better effing respect you gotta respect them yeah right like this is this is phenomenal stuff and i'm kind of getting to that point with my homes i am clearly i'm a bills fan and this and that but it's like how can i disregard what this guy's doing as an athlete like this is unbelievable Six years as a starter and for the last five, they've been in the Super Bowl. Wow. And I think I saw this one good. 14 and 3 is his record in the playoffs.

Oh. It's, it's incredible. Now for guys like you and me, Rhett, we're going to, maybe we'll go to Vegas, maybe we won't. But if you're, if you're those people, it's, okay, so you've got San Francisco, Kansas City, we're making meat. What are we eating during the Super Bowl? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're having what, rice errone?

And, uh. Yes. just because you have to know. Right? You got to have Rice. It's a San Francisco treat. And then you got Kansas City. Look at Ryan.

He has no idea. Pinder might be too young to even know that. I know Rice oran. I didn't get the San Fran thing. I thought there was a Rache rice reference or something. No, that's there is a cell line forever. Rice or Roney. The San Francisco treat.

It was there. That was always the whole thing. And what are you doing? You do what? Ribs, Kansas City. Is that the thing? I would think it's ribs. Barbecue.

Kansas barbecue. Where do they do that, that high line chili? What city is that? is that Kansas City? Highline. You go, go. You can carry on, Ryan, and we'll have the Highline Chili update coming. I got some dumb shit for you, boys.

I'm very, very happy with the shenanigan section of the Pinda Report today. And that's what usually happens over the weekend. We get bombarded with dumb shit. We get to sift through and find the best on a Monday. Let's start. Cincinnati. Cincinnati. Let's start with a brilliant photo.

As noted in the tweet, this is a far side. cartoon, but real life. As Dean, it looked like you'd had an in for another checkup with your eyes and you nearly made it. Yeah, that's, uh, that is far side for sure. For those that can't see this, it is

a car that has gotten halfway through a wall and of, what is the store? It's vision center. Yeah, it's the, uh, for eyeglasses and vision. Break shop might have been the only other thing. In fairness, it would, it,

this person, man or woman, clearly needed to get there. They almost made it. Yeah, they should be going inside. Let's go to Sweden where it looked like this is maybe like a Jasper level pond hockey tournament. They had refs for it, which is kind of cool to see. Love the Swedes. Boom in there. Beer in one hand and a dart in the same hand.

This. What a specimen. I'd love to see that. Oh, yeah. In fairness, it could be. Meanwhile, in Saskatchewan, Alberta. Manitoba. There's some Swedish vibes there.

Yeah. That's good. Just add schnops. Love it. We had a reporter last week. Your boy from Edmonton, I think, got piled up with that tobogging accident. Ontario, but yep. Sure. And that was, yeah.

Sorry, I assumed it was Edmonton, the big hill there. That was a little embarrassing, but at least pretty cool. This is next level. Because when you're young, nothing more embarrassing than mom showing up. Is it because of it? This is my mom. Hold on. Hi, baby.

I'm trying to work right now. You're over to calling my phone. This is DeAngelo. You can say hi. And don't be holding up traffic because you got cars behind you. Did you want to? Hi, baby. I'm embarrassing me.

I'm at work. Oh, mom is so proud. Oh, so proud. She's so for just loop going around the block nonstop. He turns his head and you don't know what it is. is. You're like, oh, my gosh, is he in trouble? Is there a criminal?

He's like, oh, no, this is my mom. Yeah, that's not what I was expecting. Speaking of not what you were expecting, because this one, I mean, you never know where they're going to go when it starts with a ladder in the video, Dean. Yeah. Up on the roof, man. Oh, man. Oh, wow.

Wow. That was smooth. Why is he standing on the eaves? Yeah, you've got to be smarter than that. That's your first ladder. Oh, my God. And plant sticks to landing, 9.2. With, like, huge things on his shoulder there,

like massive 2x8s. That's incredible. That is incredible. Cat-like reflexes, Red. I almost think it's AI. That's how good that is. It's like you planned it. Yeah.

Why is the camera on, though? What's it like, you know, to take the other side? Just happen to have the camera rolling when you... Security cam back door. All right. See, I'm so skeptical now. Now, when we go to the gym, we never know what's going to happen, especially if someone's got a lot of heavy weights.

Let's check in at your gym, Dean. Watch out. How? It might be too much. Oh, he gets it right in the chin, too, and then it falls on him. That is tough, man. Well, that first. So what is it that smacks him in the head?

Is that the... So he grabs the barbell and he's not evenly balanced, so it falls one way. And then it dips back. Wow. And then bonk right in the head. Oh, conky. And then it falls in.

That's a triple whammy. Plunk. Dang. I like the ones where the guy actually does the lift and then passes out. Like he passes out. So hard. Monk. Yeah.

And then the bar comes down on his throat. I've done some Googling. There is a particular type of. called surströming. And it is, it is fish in Sweden. But what's unique about it is it's fermented in salt water for a significant amount of time before it's eaten.

And Dean, it has a distinct rotten eggs type scent. Here we go live. This is Dean and Rhett. They're trying surstroming for the first time. Oh, that I? Oh. I can do it.

I can do it, bro. You can do it. It's a challenge, this is why it's... I know, I'm trying to non-vomit. It's already a miracle that I can sit. Look at the flyers. It's full of flies, right? Yes, yes, they recognize the...

The smell of the dead. Yes. No. If I don't smell maybe... People, I don't believe... I don't believe this. No, it's not possible to eat in this. No, no. Look at the... there, there.

No, it's completely... Completely... completely... ...decade, bro. Yes. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Hmm.

I don't believe, bro. Bro. Bro. Look at that. I will. I will. I will. Come on, man.

I'm close to gagging just from thinking about it. That was for you. Bro. Bro. No, I, bro. I do it. So if it's not squeamish stuff, we do have to go back to the staple of things that drive you nuts. looks like a very excited American tourist

was on a boat somewhere tropical and one of your favorite animals came up Dean there's a kid there let's see this shark right thing Damn it I got my goddamn pinky Fuck Bit off my goddamn pinky

Bit it off Don't believe it though Hey Rhett don't believe it No don't believe it Now how much this is Ingram it's mo You can't even blame the shark Damn it. Boys.

My goddamn pinky. Fuck. The kids are traumatized. This is not how we're supposed to go. You can hear the watch. She goes, spit off my G.D. Pinky. You almost can't blame the shark.

It's like, hey, let me go. No, I'm not letting you go. Please, look, look. I'm a shark. See this friggin fin on my back? Yeah. I'm a shark, dude. I would let me go if I were you.

No, I got to, I guess, bring you in the boat or what are you doing? All right, it's pinkie time. Fucker. You're going to put your finger in my mouth. I'm a shark. And then he did the spin there? Immediately.

Just re-fucking into the blender. That's my pinky. I can't really... What's the idiot doing, though, once the finger is in there and he's not reaching with the other hand going, this is desperation mode. You're going to have to commit here.

You're done. And then what they didn't show you is the shark was like being all cocky afterwards. He's got his pinky in his mouth like a dart. Like, oh, have I got your pinky over here? How are you doing over there? Nice to see you. Bad day, hey? Oh, did you want this? What was the point of that?

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Kangaroos, big time, sharks. Booms got it nailed down. Stay indoors. I want more of that surströming. We've got to get you to try that on here in Toronto for the live show. There's lots of sweets there. We can find that.

You can source some surströming. Fermented for two months. Now, fermented. What do we ferment? Booze, right? Tim Chi. Yeah. What do they do with that, the drink?

kombucha. What is that all about? That's fermented, yeah. Sorstroming is a tinned fish from Sweden. It is fermented in a salty brine for two months before being sealed up and sold. The process of fermenting the fish creates a strong rotten egg smell. No. Why?

Now, this surstroming, whatever it is, that was, surstreaming, whatever it is, that was, that was not the intent the first time it was made. Somebody was trying to do like some salted cod or something and then left it too long and forgot about it. I wonder if I can still eat it. I just clicked on imaging. This is what happened. They had it on a boat.

They were out of the ocean and they didn't know. They're trying to make sure they had food to get across the oceans and it got rotten. And they're like, this is the only shit we got left. Let's get drunk and eat it. Eat or die, boys. Eat or die. Rum and let's go. get it in you.

I've gone to look at images and most of the pictures of it are next to people heaving, trying to eat it without barfing. This is legitimately a thing you try to do in Scandinavia. Have you ever smelled a rotten egg? It's not ideal.

It's kind of like you just stop. Once you have that smell, I'm not going any further. I'm not, that's hideous. I'm done. I'm not touching it. I'm not smelling any more. more of it. And I'm certainly not as hell. I'm not eating it.

People are so stupid. Between the shark and that, yeah. Yeah. Ripped off my damn pinky. My goddamn pinky. Give that to the shark and keep your finger. That's what you do. That's a good trade right there. It is Monday. Time for another week of the daily face-off survivor pool with Wendy's. S-O-G-G-G-A-P-G can make or break your week. But don't overlook the BPM M. The Wendy's Bacon Portobella mushroom melt. Sure, it may not help you win weekly prizes with Wendy's and Daily Face Off fantasy, but unlike your predictions, it never disres, it just doesn't. It doesn't disappoint. Can you come back for more? Try your luck, but don't push it,

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Let's go, buddy. Ooh, that seems risky. There's not a lot options out there. Only two games tonight. Johnny looked pretty good in Cowdery. All right. All right. He loves the dome. Did you have any more Wendy's on the weekend there, Rhett?

In Roche? Just once. So you had the spicy chicken and then what was the little throw-in? Just the Dave's double. Just the Dave's double. Standard. Look at this. So boy John.

The BPMM goes really well with the BBB. I bet it does. I bet it does. Way to go, Dean. Wendy's. Bacon, portabella mushroom mount. I might get one today. No.

If I leave the house, I might get one today. You'll get two. Be honest. Don't lie to us. Right. You are, Ryan. Right you are. Will you get two of the same?

Yes. Really? Limited time, Rhett. Come on, buddy. Limited time. The rest of the year you can have it down here. Really? Ever?

PMM isn't in the USA? Ever, but I didn't see it on the menu that day. I was sent. I have some concerns about that country. A lot of great things, but there's some very weird decisions. That hard? So we've talked about that. You know, we haven't really talked about the football.

How much of the football did you take in there yesterday or retro? I listened to the first game, end, and I watched the first half of the second game, and then I kind of started to nod off. I feel for Detroit. Yeah. You went in there and you had such a huge lead. Such a huge lead.

Just don't. And it was over. So that third quarter, it felt like the Lions never had the ball. Niners D did exactly what they had to. They immediately got the ball back to the offense. And it was just like, poof. Now San Francisco is in control. How quickly this lead that you have and you feel so how quickly can we snuff that out like that?

And that was kind of the, okay. you've got a ways to go, I guess, Detroit, and this is why San Fran has been so strong. And honestly, it was two teams that I think are really good football teams that just wilted a little bit under the pressure. And there's two teams that had been there before, and they knew they just, we could stick with this and still get there. Kansas City and San Fran have been here before, guys,

like a fair amount here. Like Garoppolo took this team to a Super Bowl. That tells you a lot about how good everyone else is on the field. I don't know the, like I said, I don't know how to break down what the coaches changed or if they changed anything. But if you're going into halftime and you're Detroit, you keep doing the same thing. If you're KC, they're going, okay, we're going to change some things. Yeah, just San Fran. Yes.

Or a partner. Sorry. Yeah, San Fran. We're going to change some things. I still am amazed all the time at how these coaches change the schemes at halftime. Yeah. And it, right? Like it's almost like they're saying, okay, they knew what we had coming there.

Now we have to adjust to what the wrinkles they're giving us on defense. Yes. Okay. So they're going to blanket Debo here. Well, now we've got to find a way to get someone else involved, right? And then the players can execute it. Right? Well, the players have to execute it.

But the impact that a coach and a coaching staff on an NFL game is completely different than an in actual. Well, you're resetting every three, four seconds. right. It's chess pieces on a board. Where's hockey? It's you throw the puck. It might go for two and a half minutes. You can't coach that. You know, some broad overarching philosophies and structure, but like it's like, and I get why people are questioning Campbell because you had a, basically that, the first, fourth down gamble felt like it's, it just sparked the whole comeback. And then once it's tied, get some points.

Just get some points. And I understand, we need seven here. We're going to take this game back. we're going to wrestle this thing away. We're going to stop the bleeding. But then you don't, you don't get it and you just give them more momentum. Yeah. And I know that he says, I don't regret anything. And I guess as a coach, he can't. But that felt like, especially after you've pissed away one fourth down try,

let's get some points here and hang in this thing. Because we're still right there. As awful as this feels right now, we're still right there. Do you remember where they were on the field for that one? It was, I mean, it was around the third. 30 or my top of my head. I mean, yeah, it's, it's field goal territory for sure. Then they showed the kicker.

He's like, hmm, probably would have like to shot at that one, maybe, get some points. Okay. Don't talk to me about kickers. Can't trust the bastards. No. All right. They're real good on the sidelines, so I can make that. I would have made that one.

So with that of mind, on Friday, we put, put in our Betway bets. Betway, the official gaming partner of Bard Burner. Bet the responsible way with Betway. Get the Betway app and play along. Only one game left. But however, what a game it's going to be. The big game coming up in a couple weeks. I had Baltimore minus four and Detroit plus seven. A little touchdown for Detroit, Tino.

Save the bacon. Yeah. A little back door cover for the Lions there at the plus seven. Baltimore. Yeah, regretted that one fairly early. Oh, the Chiefs, you know, Kelsey's too distracted with this girlfriend. Oh, his girlfriend, Taylor, so it's good. He looked focused yesterday.

Didn't he look all right? How does that take aging, by the way? The Taylor Swift had him off his game as he now advances to the Super Bowl again. He's got to stop thinking about girls and start playing football. It seems pretty content. So there you go, one-on-one, 31 and 29, I guess, guarantees. me a 500 record. That's better than 500, Dean.

That is nothing to be ashamed about. Yeah, well. There's retro. I thought I had them both. Yeah. I thought you had them both too. And then the late points from Detroit. Same boat for me, Dino,

I had the same picks as Rhett. We were pick pals. Nice. Pick buddies. Oh, look at this. Jacko, are you kidding me? What the? Over 500.

Five. Jack, this is BS. He's not keeping track of his picks correctly. Oh, come on, Rhett. You accusing Jack of... Tell us about your picks. Remember how horseshit he was? Like, he had one win and, like, what are you talking about?

I wasn't last for a while. A good month. Really slipped away after he switched it up from the... You've been still doing that. I lost 11 in a row. That was a tough. Yeah, but you know what happened, right? Pittsburgh, out of the playoffs.

No more picks to botch. All of his horseshit picks were gone when the Steelers were gone. It's totally true. I was sure he had San Fran on Friday. Right, go review the tape and tell us the time code. I said San Fran would win, but it would be a close game. That's exactly what happened. If I was able to do these graphics and stuff, I would be winning too.

Do you want to take them over, right? We'd hand that to you if you want. I don't have the skill set. Probably accurate. So there you go. Perfect week, Jack. How'd boy. And we got two weeks to move over the next picture.

Congratulations, Jack. Way to go. Way to go, Jack. And so is everybody north of 500? Nope. Because everyone but one idiot. Oh. Five games under.

It's okay. It's not okay. The responsible way with Betway, get the Betway app on your phone, your tablet, your desktop, your laptop, your laptop, and play along. Oh, the prop bets are going to, going to be out in full swing.

Ooh, mama. How long's the anthem? What colors the Gatorade? What song is Nellie going to sing first? Nelly? That's a half time. Nellie's half time? It's not Nellie.

I literally thought they were the same human there for a while. Wow. Okay. That's racist. No, just the music, a catalogs. I forgot. Well, Nellie is more of a rapper. Right?

I was all country now I was literally thinking about Nellie You were thinking it was Nelly Defending him so hard I assure yeah this is R&B Oh my God Yeah it's it's usher with all of his dainty ballads It's getting hot and he

That's what was going on my head Country grammar going down down baby What's he talking about boom boom baby Yeah that's Nellie That would be better than Usher I will agree with you So that going back to that argument Is it an Usher the good dancer?

Probably yeah I guess so. That's not what you need. You got a thousand backup dancers at Super Bowl. You need to be a good music. You need some bangers. Michael Janskin's a great dancer. Who's that?

MJ. Michael Jackson. What about Jordan? What about that, MJ? Do you think he's a good dancer? Jordan Jackson? Jermaine. Jermaine Franklin, good dancer?

For sure. I've never seen a dance. I bet she's soft feet, light feet. Tuesday's up the broken toys. Oh my God. Show. Guy with Germain would put on a show. Yeah.

Morgans. That's right. What a night that was. Two games tonight? What were you saying? Yeah, just one actually tonight. Just one night, one tonight because I was thinking about this. We're on the All-Star break.

There's no Monday night football. What are we possibly going to do this? I hate to put you in such a tough spot ride. But with DoorDash, we need to know because it's, I mean, that part's, easy. That's the simple part. Ordering Super rates. Just open the DoorDash app. Choose what you want from where you want, when you want. It shows up at your door. And for a limited time, our listeners and viewers

get 25% off, zero delivery fees on your first order of $15 or more when you download the DoorDash app and put in promo code Nation 25, Nation 25. So the challenge is yours, Ryan. What's on the menu? Well, there's one place and one place only. We're going to go to Ottawa because nothing's more exciting than Ottawa on a Monday night. that's the prime minister doing so. I tend to stay away from that stuff. We're going to hit Barefax and then go to the Senate's game against Nashville

and then we're going to Gatno after across the bridge. That's fun. That's our plan for tonight. And I would go to you, Dean. It is Monday. What's on tap for Raw tonight? Well, the Royal Rumble was held on the weekend. Oh?

So Cody Rhodes has won back-to-back rumbles. Last year won the Rumble. That means you're going to be. a WrestleMania, going to main event, took on Roman Rains, he was going to finish the story. Did not happen. Hearts were broken and crushed because Cody is trying to do what his dad never did, which is hold the WWF, WWE Championship, the American Dream. Who's Cody's dad, Pinder?

Dusty Rhodes. There you go, Ryan. At my son, Cody Rhodes, I'm the American Dream. So, yeah, it looked, it was down to a final four. Gunter was in there. We had CM Punk. C.M. Punk

was in. Gunter might be the longest, I think he is, the longest rating Intercon and old champ. Anywho, was not going to be punk. No. It is Cody Rhodes, who is off to WrestleMania. And it's kind of different this year. They're like, so who's going to face?

Because you have Roman, who's the undisputed, the universal champ. And then you've got the other champion who is Seth Rawlins. it's a couple of balls. There's maybe a few too many belts. Anyway, Cody pointed up to the,

he pointed up to one of the sweets where Roman, along with the wise man, Paul Heyman, they were watching to see who might be the opponent. Cody pointed at the WrestleMania side and said, yeah, I'm going. And then turned and pointed at the skybox

and pointed to Roman, who looked rather shaken. Look rather shaken. Now, Roman also earlier in the night one, A, fatal four-way match with some help from solo Socoa. Some outside interference from Solo Secoa. Again,

it's the bloodline, Ryan. The bloodline it just seems like how's Roman going to win this time? What kind of outside interference is it going to be? Peter. You had L.A. Knight was in there. How's your boy L.A. Knights? Don't stop now. He

well, he's lost a couple times now to to Roman. But he has to feel as though, because he got jobbed last time. He has to think, this is, this might be the opportunity

that he had. Maybe it's slipped because we don't know what now is up for him at WrestleMania. You've got the return of Randy Orton. We don't know what Randy Orton's going to be doing. What the Rock? He just showed up like a month ago. Well, that's what everybody's saying?

If we're going to have the Rock, what's he going to do? Very quiet. Very quiet on the rock front. There's some thought now that maybe he's not going to be at WrestleMania to sit at the head of the table. Or so they want you to believe.

And take on the tribal chief. So I can guess you're going to be watching not the Ottawa Senators. Well, it's the raw after a premium live event, Ryan. It's the first event. What are we going to see tonight? You said Royal Rumble. Is there any particular format that's unique to Royal Rumble? Or is it just a massive slate of awesome?

I'm glad you asked. That's a great question. I'm glad you asked. Thank you. Yeah. Behind closed doors, there is a draw. lying 30 wrestlers. Everybody gets a number.

The fans have no idea who it's going to be. We're going to start the rumble. Boom. Who's the first one out? Jay Uso. He comes out to the rank for number one. Who's it going to be? Bang. Number two, his brother Jimmy Uso comes out.

Oh, what are the odds? Now, they used to be undisputed tag team champions. Ross Smackdown tag team champions forever. Some may say the greatest tag team champions of all time. But now they're at odds. now the two brothers, twin brothers in fact. Their dad was Rikishi. Did you know this?

Oh, Rikishi's kids. It's Rikishi's boys. That's awesome. Yeah. So they had, so then 90 seconds after that, they counted down. Five, four, three, two, well, from 10. Anyway, then the third person comes out. 90 seconds later, the fourth, then the fifth.

So you could have a, it's chaos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The winner, the last man standing. And it's like a battle royal, not a picture. fall over the top rope, feet have to touch the ground outside the ring. And it's a trip to WrestleMania to take on the champion that's on the line. So huge stakes, huge stakes. Getting drawn 32nd.

That's the primal, Primo spot. Do you remember who that was? That was Sammy Zane, Montreal's own. And Sammy made it to the final six, I think. But then he got tossed. Drew McIntyre was in there and he got tossed. Was there someone that started early, just last? It lasted forever, but just couldn't get there?

The first five guys hanging around at the end or no? Well, last year, Gunter was the first end. He was in there for over an hour, like an hour, 15 or something. Unbelievable, the stamina and the cardio that you need. Rett's frozen, unfortunately. No, he's not. Can you hear us, Red? Are you there?

I can hear you. Hey, Red, why do you hate Gunther? Don't give me that face, Matt. I don't know. there's other people that are better and I've got it figured out the rock is going to come back to help uh it was a Cody you said yeah yeah he's going to be Cody's bloodline and he's going to interfere in that match against take down Roman Roman Rans hmm is there another main event like a big pay-per-view showcase before WrestleMania or is there are we straight to WrestleMania now dean I know

there's one more it's the uh elimination chamber that'll be coming up so one more premium live event prior to WrestleMania 40 at Lincoln Financial in Philadelphia. And of course, that's a big setup because they do the Thursday, then they got the Sunday, they get the Monday after. That's all in Philly. Is that right? You bet the Friday, it's the Smackdown prior to plus the Hall of Fame. And then on Saturday is night one. It's a two-day event.

Night one of WrestleMania Saturday, night two on Sunday. And then the raw, the raw after WrestleMania, which is one of the most anticipated raws of the calendar year. the Monday after WrestleMania is over. We'll see you there. Get the DoorDash app. It's that easy.

And for a limited time, our listeners get 25% off and zero delivery fees on their first order of $15 or more with the promo code Nation 25. Nation 25. What are we going to do about the internet, Red? I don't think it's the internet.

It's the computer. What are we going to do about the computer, right? I've got great internet connection. I don't know. Maybe my, is there the video card? Maybe I need to update. You need more RAM? I don't know.

Do you more RAM in there? Do you think the only fans could move to the afternoon shoot or if the time change is not going to work? No, the live event ended already. The premium live event? Because I'm not sure what's happened, but it's now daily where you're freezing. multiple times. I was going to hang up because three strikes you're out.

That was the third time. For us or for you? Yeah. So is that how it goes? Are we hanging on you? Or how does this work? When your shit doesn't work, you get to just leave the show? Is that how?

Tell the people to run the operations to send me some new gear. It's the commitment. I'll pick it up on Wednesday in Toronto. I'll be honest. I didn't watch the game. I would look into the game. this, but I, but I don't, I haven't and I won't and I wouldn't know what to do anyway. It's the commitment to the, to the project that, uh, that you have to respect and

advice. Hey, if you're looking for a deep insider, I think probably you're going to have to call Frank. We had Frank today. It was very good. We did have Frank. If you missed that, make sure you press. You know what? I noticed Frank was getting annoyed because you two idiots wouldn't shut up.

That's what we do. Well, if we stop talking, the show stops. No, no, no. You have a guest on it. You talked to each other. for the 12 minutes of it. Oh, okay. Well, that does make you a good host then

because you don't get in on those guest interviews. You stay right out of the way. You don't get in the way. That's true. That's why you have guests on. So tomorrow, what are we doing on Tuesdays? There's no Flames game to talk about it. I thought it was, I thought we were off all week.

Hence not watching the game on Saturday. Okay, it's all coming together now. No, I didn't watch the game because it was a terrible game. It was a terrible game. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I skim. Let's say I skimed. I'm sure you sat down Saturday night and didn't miss a minute, Dean.

Yeah. Yeah. No. I was glued to it. I, it was supposed to be Cammy and Kent doing after burner and then she ran into some issues and wasn't feeling great. I'm like,

I'll just do it, Cammy. T's and P's, how's Cammy? She'll be good. She'll be good. She'll be good. She'll be good. She'll be good.

She'll be good. She's got 10. And luckily, exactly. Yeah. right into the All-Star break. Why not just that one extra, just one extra to get another week and a half? There you go.

And, yeah, if I wasn't forced to watch that thing, that would not have aged well. It would have been like, nope. And the thing of it is, was there any part of your mind on Saturday or leading up to it,

especially after you watched the game against Columbus, that this was going to be a good game? No. This is going to be just a crawl to the finish. And, but may have been one of the hottest tickets going into the season. Carnardard.

Yeah. Kids brokenhearted everywhere. First visit. Only visit this year, I believe, too. Yes, they would be pissed. So, Rhett, you were bang on on this. Two big games then. Ugh, don't like it.

If they break, coming back, I can throw the skid at you, but I almost, just in terms of now, trade rumors, trades close, it's February, it's the dog days. They seem to be well back of a, of a, playoff spot. Now what do you expect from these guys when they come back? Not a lot. I think they're, I think that this is a team that has a tendency to be able to

pack it in and you're seeing it a little bit again. And I'm not going to be completely a surprise if there's changes before they do come back. And even if there isn't, I think they're smart enough to know the rumors are true. We're not that good. And probably we're not going to be together for long. When they followed that four game winning streak with a four game losing

skid, I think they're not oblivious to their surroundings. They understand that if you'd taken three of four in that next four, we can believe for sure. Even 500 or you had a six home stand four and

Two. Yes. Six-game homestand to continue on a great six, eight-week period. And you reverted. You went in a wrong direction. They come back and just to refresh everyone's memory, if it needs it. First game, it's a four-game trip when they come back. They're in Boston, then New Jersey, then the Islanders, and then the Rangers.

Doof. So. That's four good teams. Maybe. Let's see what the Islanders are under Patty Roy here. Maybe that's what they need. You're going to be more focused. You're not just coming back to lay at home.

But I don't know. Those are pretty teams, Boston. What's the traditionally, I don't think the flames have been good coming back from these big breaks either. Last year was the New York game. Remember that where Truba hit a couple guys. There's a bunch of fights and everyone was like, this will be the turning point. This will be the turning point.

And then Rass was got hit by a truck. And it was like, no, this isn't the turning point. Well, and the turning point was the fact that Truba ran one of your guys. and you kind of responded. Yeah. And look, they could have not responded. You like that they did respond, but they ended up, I think,

losing that an extra time or something. But yeah, we kept waiting for the turning point last year. There never was one. I think it was Lafrenier scored the winner? Laffey. Memory serves. So, yeah, it's going to be an interesting watch. I would love to it.

Like, if they did do a little piece of business over the All Star Break, I think that would be superb. Not just for us on the content side, but you've talked about it. There's a lot of moves that Connie wants to get done here. If you can get someone right to that level of, okay, I'll accept the deal if it's in this band. Get that done, get it off your plate.

Palt you up. Also, yeah, like we said, if you got all these guys in Shillington and that would be something. Now, AJ Greer, it is as bad as we anticipated long term. Is there enough time for him to come back where he might get you something in a trade or has that ship sailed? He'll still be hurt at the deadline, and maybe he's to throw in on a bigger deal, but I don't know what kind of GM is going to give you an asset for a guy recovering from a broken foot slash ankle,

whatever they're calling it. He's probably a 13th forward on a cup contending team. That's what he was in Boston. That's why he was on waivers. I consider him an asset that even if you don't trade him, you can probably sign him, and I don't know that it's the end of the world. Bring him back on one-year deal, trade him next year. Yeah.

Yeah. cheap as what, though, Rhett? Chips, Dean. Horst. And actually, to speak of chips, what a load of horse shit I had to deal with on Saturday night. I went looking for chips and dip. Super Bowl for two weeks. Couldn't find any dip. Of course, about chips.

So I had to eat chips plain. Oh, look at your life. Happy birthday. Did you have plain? You had plain like ripple chips? No, I bought sour cream. Okay. The whatever, the cheddar.

Sour cream onion? No, cheddar sour sauce. cream. Oh, yeah. But still, I wanted chips and dips. Is it a Buffalo thing?

It might be a shoveler, shirking her duties thing. It was the store I was in. Did you go to another store? That's a lot, eh? How was your birthday, buddy?

Oh, epic. Yeah. A big hawks game. And forth to Rochester. There and back, and then back. And I had a

piece of cake. So that was good. Good cake. I got a I got my, uh, the, uh, heated vest, jackety thing. So jackety thing. Yeah. Is, it, you throw that out like we all know exactly what you're talking about. What, what is it? The heated vest, you don't have what a heated vest is. Mm-mm. It's for like ski equipment for when it's really cold. It was minus a thousand in Alberta and you don't know what a heated jacket is. Do you put some batteries in it? Some batteries. It has a, rechargeable battery. Okay, yeah, yeah.

Plug in your vest. Yeah. So is it just on, on this part, your torso back belly? Is there socks that are very popular now? Yeah. Because I'd worry about,

Lou about that. About pit sweat. If it was done. No. I'm worn everywhere else, but man, my pits are running here. No,

not ideal. So good for, well, that's nice. I'm sorry to hear about the dip thing, though. I am too. cause a lot of stress

perfect world what kind of dip were you oh down here the french onion they don't have the dill pickle and they don't have the variety they got a real where did you move to

get a hell of a good french onion you gotta get the hell out of there retro jeez pack your shit and get out of there no dill dip team can't win in the playoffs no roof in the building colder

in the hubs of hell and no dip. 10 feet of snow. Jeez. Snow's almost gone. It was raining on the weekend. It probably means you do for more snow. Go get yourself some dip today.

Couldn't do that. Go do it today. Treat yourself. That's right. Not a little. Thanks for being a part of everybody. Joy, raw tonight, Dean.

I didn't realize that. Can you let? Yeah, I know. And can you let me know for real about what's expected this week as far as, uh, yeah, I don't know that, um,

well, here's the as you know if you ask you know what the answer is going to be well yeah if you could dress a collar shirt some nice if you could do that so using the warner yeah if you don't ask then right i didn't get the email dean that's right it's on your phone didn't get the email computer doesn't work and i don't have it on my phone what am i what am i what am i who's not his fault who's to blame who's to blame who's to say Donald will see you tomorrow everybody support the sponsors be good to each other all right see you buddies