Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Mucky Middle | FN Barn Burner - January 7th, 2025

Episode Date: January 7, 2025

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you can take part in the Super Chat on our YouTube. And the Super Chat is just a small little cash donation. It's whatever you want it to be, in fact. But we'll send all of the funds to the youth centers of Calgary. Hi, man. How are we doing? I'm spent from yesterday. We went Whole Hog yesterday. Yeah, it was a big show yesterday.

If you missed it, you can download it. can go Google it or find it or something. Didn't know we were going to get into the astronaut stuff, but, you know, things get hated. Yeah, we got into, what, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan? We got into some stands, baby. Some geography. Jikistan, Kursikistan. Um, little landlocked countries.

Was there any science? Did we get any science? We got politics, geography. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a big show. What a show. Feel bad about today's show. We won't disappoint today either.

Well, I was going to say, I don't think there's any way you can, I mean, we've set the bar pretty high. I don't know how we're going to. Who's the host with the most? You should have calmed us down. That was Monday. Like how are we carrying this through? What the hell's wrong with you?

So rather than try and put together a second good show, it's don't be too good. Yes. For, uh, maybe I've done the 10 years. It's obvious, you know that. Hang on, guys. It's just Monday. Whoa.

It's like, it's like Dave Cameron at the tournament. Like, fellas. Fell where you go. It's training camp. Just take it easy. I don't be tired for the elimination game. Fellas, it's a game day today. Calgary Flames are in California.

SoCal. Yeah. Anaheim, that'd be so Cal right? Some California love right now. California girls. California dreaming. That's a good one too. Then we wouldn't have to talk.

the show would still be great. We just groove. Like when Trump was at the end of his thing, he'd just go and dance. He wouldn't even talk to people anymore. We did the dance at the party. The soft dance got in trouble for being loud with loud dancing. Did we get trouble again? Yeah, we were stomping our feet.

Yeah, you were. We were asked not to and then we did the soft thing. So with that of mind, get your helmets on because it's Calgary Flames game day. They're in Anaheim to take on the Anaheim Ducks. Who, you know, you're used to the, well, the ducks stink, right? They're terrible. Quack, quack, quack. Ducks are coming around, boys.

kind of coming around and similar kind of records right now. Similar kind of records. 18, 14, and 7 are the flames. 17, 18, and 4 are the ducks. I believe you. It's kind of, you know. They're doing it without

a better man meme deal. The much maligned Trevor Zegris as well. Yeah. I was like, I don't know how much they miss him. It's been hurt for a while. Faking it because he's mad? No, he's hurt. All right.

But he might be mad too. I don't know. You know what he's got? a torn meniscus. A darn meniscus. Tough to fake the MRI. You know, in today's world, with all that pseudoscience, we could fix that in days.

Tell me that you're out with a meniscus. What would you do? What would you do? Stem cells. If you're a 23-year-old, it turns 24 in March, if you have a meniscus in your knee and it goes slice, I would get stem cells. Stem cells.

I don't know what they are, how they work, but I'd do it too, Dean. Sure, sounds good. Yeah, I'll eat them. And Ibegain. Is this like when Trump was telling people to drink horse tranquilizers for COVID? We think so. Worked for him, didn't it?

Sure did. Look at how his life's turned totally around. Yeah, what the hell you thought? He's a ambitious guy. What are they? They're firing on all cylinders. What he did was he invested in the company that made the drug and then went and pumped it up and they're like, ha, ha, ha, winning, winning.

It's just good business. Come on now. Business is a good sense. He's firing on all cylinders and we're playing. Short-handed. No PM. We're playing thumbtack. We're down the man. We are down to mass.

That is not. Although it's kind of like when you have a bad power play. Oh, we should just kind of. We'll be okay being a man down. We'll play short-handed here for a few months, whatever it takes. Let's not, hey, let's steer away from the politics, guys. It's not, that's staying in your lane. It's not our forum.

It's not what we do. No. We do fart noises and flametings. and Flames games. That's what we do. Cudos science. Zegris and how about this? How about this?

Yeah. How about this, Dean? Just popped into my head. You know when things pop into my head. It's scary. Get it out. Remember earlier in the year they were talking about trading Zegris? Yeah.

Pick them out. Now they're talking about dumping that Pedersen. Is it a Petter, Peter, Peter. Yeah. Vancouver guy. Pick him out. Can you imagine that combo? Backland is a 3C.

Zerry in there. Oh, baby. Hurry back to the wing. Yeah. Hello. Oh, we can't score. We don't have high end talent. You have too many goals. Yeah, we're real good. You're going to have too many goals. What are you going to do?

You're going to score four every night. You'll be undefeated. My name's Craig GM of the year Conroy. And we're real good. We're real good. Well, you know what? The thing about that is, is people would look at you and just say, you know what, this guy, all he wants is grit and muscle. You go against Zegris and Elias Pedersen.

Yeah. I mean, you talk about old. These hard-nosed guys that win when it matters. Yeah, the, those overly entertaining, skillful, high-end players that make a difference. You win games. I feel like you can supplement the physicality, a little more easy. I'm willing to take, you know what? Let's just try it once here.

Skill? Bet on skill. Yeah, let's go high-end skill for a decade. And then we'll bring in the warn. I don't know about the skidreau. There's not a lot of muscle and grit. turned out all right. Betting on skill.

Yeah. Yeah. I do have a mock Pedersen trade to Calgary in the Pinder report. So buckle them. We better hurry up and get to the Pinder Report. I really want to. I mean, I got nothing else to talk about today.

You really got nothing else. I don't like my idea. It just popped into my head. Well, you're going to part with a lot of assets to get that. I don't give a shit. Okay. What do you pick up guy?

Like, so we're going to finish 14th and 15th and 18. Not getting those guys. 18th are in the playoffs. I think people would be okay with that. But I hear what you're saying. If I'm into playoffs, I'm better off having Zegras.

Yeah, I'd agree. To help me win in the playoffs. How many firsts would you need to parcel up to get Zegris and Patterson? Five? All of them. The Flames sent all their picks in the future. All right.

Here's a question. Is Hansick a high? Do we include him as a first rounder? I think he'd be viewed as an eight of, A to B prospect. Oh, great. So all of our high picks, they're just.

No, you'd pair could be very valuable, but again, you're trying to get younger. You don't want to give away. He's one of the skill guys. Very much so. Anderson. I think Hunter Bristewitch's stock

has risen significantly since being acquired by Vancouver. Coosy, we talked about he. Stromgren's got a little, now, has his stock really, you said it's risen considerably?

I believe so, yeah. I mean, certainly. in the public sphere, maybe not in the scouting sphere, but like no one knew this guy's name. And now you watched last year after the flames pick him up against 92 points as a defenseman. No. Okay. So finishing second in the OHL and scoring as a defenseman.

You're saying it's raised considerably. Yeah. It was a way, it was the career year for him essentially. And you had noted it. Like he was injured in his draft year. Like there was a lot of questions that got a race. He's having a solid rookie campaign in the A. Like I think I see what's going on here.

I'm going to bump and dump. Let's go. I see what's going on. No, no, no. Yeah, that's not it. This guy's great. You're trying to be positive. Then the other guy is absolutely shooting you down.

Well, it's opposite day. So we thought we've put it. No, it's not opposite day. It's just the last couple of days. Yes. It just, I put on your positive pants. I just don't know who I'm working with is.

If you, if you looked at last season, the 100% of Chath, and you don't think that that's a significant. Jack, it's like he's talking about 100%. When you have a great year as a high-end prospect, you're worth more. Like, I think that's not being overcomplicated, right? That's a career type year he had last year.

Yeah, but when the trade happened, he was like a high elite scoring OHL defenseman. I know. Right? He had had a half year of that, yeah. So then just by virtue of age. A bigger body of work and more, yeah. Like, maybe I'm overstating it. I could ask around.

But I think when you have a great year that you're worth more than, you know, maybe a month. It's like, yeah, is this a hot streak? Is it real? Like he's got one goal in 33 games. Yeah, I don't know that I'd measure his HL rookie defensement totals by goals. That's probably not the best way to. I just, how many minutes is he playing? What's his role? Breakout, this, this unknown.

He's, he's graduated to the OHL. He's playing in the American League. Mm-hmm. It's just the considerable. Anyway, we'll move on. I don't, I don't want to get. bug down in the semantics. Yeah, because we've got lots more to get to. We don't have to get to. Um, Asha Gridden once again. So my idea is terrible.

No, I just have you done. So I, because I know you talk to a lot of people in the hockey sphere. You're constantly talking to hockey people and constantly when I don't have email because in those conversations. What are, what are you hearing about, I guess, just personality traits or attitudes or that when it comes to both Zegras and Elias Petters? They just, they need a change of scenery. Okay. What people are telling me that a fresh start, some fresh mountain air. Sunshine. Do you get sunshine in Vancouver?

Do you know what it's like to live in? Oh, it's miserable. Shit. What about Anaheim? Did they get any sun lots there? I'm talking about one guy. Okay. I can't have the guys can't have different problems.

Hey, Rhett, go ahead. West Coast that time, terrible. Also, beach, distracting. Bikinis, water, beach. Movie stars. Movie stars, hard to stay focused. Very difficult. Bring them back.

Canada, laser focused. You know what else? Hockey. You know what else? Huska. Huska! That's how we'll start saying. Can we talk about that after the?

Yeah, okay. Either way, if you're looking for Zegers tonight. It's a terrible idea. No, it's not terrible. It's just so far fetched. Well, I will say this. Like, you would have acquired two very talented, youngish into their

or in their prime centermen, I wonder at what price you're like, hang on now, whoa. Because it's going to be very, both of those assets are not going to be sold for cheap. Safe to say, though, that Zegras is more affordable. I would think so, yeah. Because he doesn't.

You also got a contract coming up to. I just think with, because we've talked about it, not continually, but it seems like every time Anaheim comes up, we end up talking about Zegris because the G. The GM doesn't seem to like him. And is he available or what? I don't know.

Maybe it's all. It's so damn good. So young, right? Maybe it's all blessed. Oh, I mean, uh, Burbic doesn't like him. Then you call it's like, well, we're going to need two first round picks. Oh, so you're not that upset with the player.

You're not just giving him away. Um, but it does. We talked about it with Frank earlier this year. There was that one goal that he scored where his body language was just in, oh, great. So I scored. I'm just, he looks like a guy. that's beat down, but to your point, right, I don't know we're kind of effing around, but he does look like a guy that could probably use a bit of a change of scenery.

And the Pedersen, I think, I don't know. That one feels like it's harder for Vancouver to pull off because he's been an important part of that team. I don't, there's been no success. There's been no expectations for Zegris. From the time he's been there, they've been a bottom five picking in the top 10 type of a team. Wait, wait, yeah, I'm not, that's very true about Zegris, but what is

Pedersen done one. Well, that's right. But with Pedersen, there's been expectation, and he's struggled with it. Like, he's getting beat up in the media, beat up by fans, clearly in the locker room. He could you, truly, like, if there's one of those guys that could use a. Yeah. I think they both. A new home, it might be Peders.

But like, you look at the skill set that Ziegers has and you look at the way the GM played and you look at his coach who's very old school, there's better fits out there for him. That doesn't mean Anaheim's will. willing to liquidate them, they might say, look, we can't, it has to be worth X. And then, okay, maybe you're just stuck with them. Because look what they done with John Gibson. It's clearly not been a fit for ages. They still haven't traded them.

They ask you price is too high. Would it be a big has to get in every deal? Would Verbeek and talk it be kind of cut from the same cloth? 100%. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Both pricks to play against. Like that means to play against.

At all costs, run through a wall, SOBs. Yeah. And they're not really pulling the room for your opinion, I'm guessing. They probably have an idea of how they want things to go. I think that's fair. So safe to say, if you had to categorize Elias Pedersen and Trevor Zegris as Talkett slash for Beak type players

or maybe the other end of the pit spectrum, there's a reason why their names are out there right now, right? Like if it's not Rick Talket in Vancouver, I think A, you have Pedersen playing better hockey. And B, you're probably... So we can break down the semantic or all the BS. And it was a BS comment that I'm making, right?

No, but I mean, there's still hot spots to talk about. There are hot spots or not. But I guess the question that we're really trying to break down is, are you a Kevin shoveled day off? Or are you who's the guy in Vegas? Kelly McCriman. McCriman, right? Because that, honestly,

there's different approaches to going after things. Yeah, and they're benefited from being in Vegas and the tagging. just a man it's Vegas weather blah blah blah but he does have an approach to thing he's in on it aggressive he wants yeah like I go no no I'm getting Ico Mark Stone's available no I'm wait who's the guy the anathan here's what you're going to get yeah I get him he's mine now oh I'll tell you what I'm gonna give you who's the defenseman they brought from St. Louis Peter Angelo yeah what are you what are you talking about he's ours like you don't get it who's the guy from san Jose last year that hurdle hurdle yeah what do you mean somebody else I don't care

This is my player. Right? Like there is that approach to it. And is Zegras and Petter, like, and I don't even know if you, they've got no moves, I'm sure. Patterson does for sure. Patterson does Zegers probably to a less than a lot of how much

protection you'd have. But is it a different approach to things? And would you, is there a right or a wrong one? And what do you like better? What do you have that you're building around? Because I think when you make the type of move that we're talking about, you're essentially adding a really important piece at an expensive cost

to help get you somewhere. What is their foundation here? Because the challenge they're facing to me is that a lot of their best players are in decline. Dustin Wolf is your foundation. Okay, so that's a really good start and it's a really good three months, right? I think there's a great chance he becomes an elite number one goalie in the league for his career. Goleys are crazy, though. It's a tough bet, right? Yeah, but they are. They are. They're just, just crazy. But you're asking, and that would be my answer because there's no one else, there's not a Ford that stands out as, oh, yeah, this is the guy to build around. And so if you add Pedersen and or Zegris, you've added a really skilled sentiment, but like, who are they working

with for the next five years? Because like, Blake Coleman is in his 30s and has two years left. Michael Backland's already 35. Codry's 34. McKenzie Wiggers into his 30s. Rasmus Anderson needs a deal in two years. Like their best players are all either you're expecting diminishing returns, they're in their 30s like they're tailing off a little bit or it's like yeah the contracts are they're gone so if you went and made one of these deals are you good or you just mediocre in three four years of the different group well the complaint right now is that we can't score we've never had skill so those are two things that would be yeah no i agree right like you're revamping and other guys are going to have up to you think zari's not going to have guzmanco maybe or maybe

maybe that's a hope and a prayer but playing with a other high end high school guys guys is that does he start scoring now? Probably more. Probably not. He's going to score more than with Lomburg, not against Lomburg, but it's, it's, it's, more of a philosophy. And I'm not saying you're wrong or right, but it's, uh, I like the conversation because it's, well, and so, I find it interesting.

The real question is, are you trying to win with a lot of the guys you have in the core now, or are you trying to build a new core? And they're kind of stuck in the middle because we, exactly. Because they're starting the problem. They're getting massive contributions from these guys. in their late 20s and early 30s that aren't going to be great in five years. And the young guys haven't quite arrived yet. Your parricks, Gridden, Basha, Hansik, the first rounder they're going to pick this year.

Yeah, but you don't know what those are. You don't know what those are. The whole point is that without those guys becoming players, you're just an old team that's no good. So are you trying to make the playoffs with this group or are you rebuilding? That's the question. But are you an old team that's no good anyway? You're never going to be in a spot where you can be entirely one or the other. you can be a team you look at the Dallas stars right they got some young guys it's that's

well you still got Ben and you had you know yanni hawk and par yeah they are the d man that they shit that went to Toronto you're always going to have some element of guys who are older probably making too much money but how good are the guys that are your that are your nucleus that are your core and you don't know you're just never you're you're going to have like huberto's going to be summit cod or whatever you're always going to have somebody but you have these picks and you have youth and all of that. And I just, everything's a risk.

Everything's a dice roll to a certain extent. You want to draft in the first round? You don't know. You want to make a trade for a young guy? You don't know. I just wonder with a guy like Zegris, there's holes in that game. But he's 23.

He's a center. He scored 23 goals in back-to-back seasons. Shouldn't be available, but is, we don't know about his character. We don't know about his jam and all of this. well, maybe is he a guy? Let him be an offensive guy. Let somebody else be a 200 foot player.

He's making 5.75 million or whatever it is. Is it a risk? Sure it is. But what if the pick and the prospect is like, oh boy, they give up a first and a third? There's no guarantee those are going to pan out anyway. There's plenty of draft picks. I don't know we had the Hansa conversation,

but it's not like he's undeniable. You just never know. Sometimes you, instead of taking a dice roll on a 17 or 18 year old, do it on a 23-year-old who's already proven a little bit in the league. I don't think the greatest fear you'd have was egress is he comes. He's great. And in two years he's got Arbites. He's like, yeah, I'm not resigning here.

I want to be in the States. Yeah, but you can move him again then, right? Like, it's not a, like we forget that part of it. Fine. Didn't. And there again, I just don't think, Ryan, you're ever going to be in a spot where you have a room full of guys. They all want to be here.

They're all in the right age. They're all good. We don't have any passengers. Everything. you just never get the air. If you're winning, that's what you get. That's true. You have to win to have that.

Without a chance to win a cup, it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. No, and I just think, like, if you're a real believer that they have to tear this thing down to the studs, like Rasmus Andersen is the perfect litmus test on this. He's a great player. He's going to be worth a lot of money with the cap raising. They have lots of cap space.

He could be a career flame. But you're not really going to bottom out that hard. Exactly. Let me finish. Let me finish with like Weeger and Anderson and Cadre around and Coleman and Hubertow and Backland. They're just good enough that they'll never bottom out. Now, if you trade Rasmus Anderson, A, you'll get a King's Ransom, maybe a couple firsts. You'll finish way lower and pick even higher. Those picks are not guarantees. But the more cuts you're going to get in the top 10, the better chance you have of unearthing an actual superstar of which they have not. Which is also another approach. But that's the aggressive approach. And that's also how you end up in Buffalo and things start to shit for, a very long time or you run the risk.

Yeah, like every team that's won a cup minus Vegas has a core of guys drafted in the top five, most of them drafted by that team. The flip side is, when it doesn't work, it looks like Buffalo and it's like that's the worst possible situation to sports franchise. Anaheim's been shitty for a while now. And to your point, well, I mean, they had, what,

eight division titles in a row or something? Like, it was going to happen. One cup, though. They had one cup and up two cup appearances? Yeah, I think they would trade it all for what they had, for sure. but this is like there's risk in everything for sure it's just if you what do you do with rastmas anderson's really the litmus test if you actually want to rebuild or if you just want to like tool around and never really pick that well i think they're trading him it's just the

matter of when you think so yes they are i don't think that's clear cut at all unless they you don't think you we poop poohed it or we kind of broke it down yesterday this road trip this rest of this month and i don't know if it was tongue and cheek or we actually believe they'll only get two or three wins for the rest of the month but if they do, then they might start thinking about trading. Right now, they're not thinking of a trade name. But if they maintain 500 for another two months, they're not trading because they can't. And he's got another year left after this.

That's what I mean. I'm talking big picture. I don't think that's slam dunk at all. I think they absolutely can you sign them. It's fine if we talk. Yeah, but I, you can't get it. Do you think Rasmus Anderson is going to sign an extension here in two years? Yeah, if they're competitive, absolutely.

If they look, if they're playing, like they are right now absolutely he does uh yes i don't think that's the case i think that's kind of i don't think they wait i don't think they wait if they're interested in keeping him in maintaining this type of middle of the pack thing they sign him before it gets to that they'll sign him this summer if you offer rasmus 72 million dollars you think he's going to say now i'm good well i mean yeah it's nine million on you can overpay him i guess you can sign anybody that's going to be what he's worth If the caps 120 million way through the deal. Like it just is.

To me, he just doesn't strike me as a guy that's going to be here long term. I don't get that at five at all. I think he's a guy that will be testing free agency. You think he'll go to free agency? I do. Okay. Yeah, I do. I mean, who's gone to free agency that?

Well, Hanif and Wood have. Didn't. They traded him. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. Like, who's... Well, that's not going to free agency. That's signing with a team has your rights.

But, but, They traded him because they knew they weren't going to get him signed. That's what I'm saying. He offered him a shit ton of money and he said, well, maybe. And then he said, no, so they had to trade him. And I think that's the Rasmus. He's a similar spot to this spot that Rasmus is in? Yes.

So that's why I'm saying, I think they trade him. It's just a matter of way. The problem that I have with all that, Dean, and I'm not saying you're right or wrong or Pinder is that then you don't get to keep anyone. If Rasmus Anderson is never going to be interested in just staying here, who is? Well, Weiger signed. I don't overpaid came from, was not making anything.

Yeah. But why was why? So why Weiger and not Anderson? It's just a vibe I get from Anderson. But that's fine. That's an answer. I can understand that. But my and you could be 100% correct.

But if Anderson, who's been here, developed here, has a whatever existence in this town, will get paid that extra, I don't think it matters, each the year. And they have tons of caps. base. If you can't keep him and you're semi-competitive, who can you keep? Why do you, then you're just a farm team for other teams. And look, there's a great case to be made that you could love and Rasmus Anderson

to want to keep him, but know that you're going to be loaded on the right side. Like Uighur's a righty, parricks are righty. You could trade Uyger as well. You absolutely could, but I don't know if he has. You wouldn't want to do that before you got Rasmus stank because you need one of them probably, you know, Bristavich is a righty. They just re-up, Paul's a Ritey. Like, it's kind of a little.

clunky. You can play Weger on the left than they have, but it's really a spot where it's really the only area they have a bit of excess. Like they have two top pair right shot demon. Um, so you could just sit in an asset management case. Say we'd love to keep Rasmus. We've already got someone like him who's coming in at less money, who he thinks a comparable player. We can turn him into two first. But I, what I hear about Rasmus Anderson is every, he's very transparent. This isn't a guy that like is talking in code. If he thinks this team can compete for the playoffs and, and this turns around, like, If they make the playoffs this year, I think he absolutely resigns the summer. I do because it's not like they're not going to be able to meet his ask.

And he enjoys it here. But if it's going to be a painful down to the bottom we go, he's not going to be here for that. And he's essentially said as such at the golf tournament this fall where if this team is competitive, I love it here. What's he going to say? Well, I'm telling you, this isn't a guy that's playing the media. Like I think if ask Frank. Pender's believing the, what do you say? No, and I just.

The people around Rasmus is a street shooter. I actually think you're right. I don't think Rasmus Anderson is honest. It's just saying something because the media is asking. No. And I think if you put yourself in his shoes, it makes sense. And I don't disagree. I don't disagree.

But what if they don't make the playoffs? Well, then he has to this summer, they'll say, here's a bunch of dough and he'll say, I believe in the plan or I'm not quite sure you. Your point was that he won't no matter what. I don't think he's staying. That's fine. Yeah, but again, I also think, there's great reasons to trade them and that they might not be good enough to keep him.

But I think he's very open to stay in Calgary. It just seems got to be competitive. And to this point, it has been this year. Yeah, I just don't think the team is going to suddenly be this, you know, a good enough team where he looks at it's like, yeah, I'm, I got a chance to win multiple cups here. We're, we're going on some serious long playoff runs here. I just don't, I don't see that being the scenario here. And yeah, there's, there's, you know, he's a right shot, all this sort of thing. how his age, all that, how it breaks down.

Plus, and I don't know, what have you thought of him this year? After the start with the, I'm looking at people through the glass when after I score goals and stuff, how have you felt about his game? And I mean, Red, I'll go to you because you're the guy won this. Like, what are you seeing with them? Because to me, haven't loved it. I still think he's a top guy. And I've been, and I'm a Rasmus, I've been, I've liked this guy for a long time.

He's the second best D at worst. Sure. Yeah. And he's a very important piece because of what they don't have around him. But, I mean, they're a strong defensive team. When he and ball are right, they've been very good. It's been a little uglier of late. I see what you're saying.

I see what you're saying and that it's not. Much better season in last year, my opinion. It's not exceeding expectations. But I'm not. Yeah. I don't know. I think he's having a regular normal type of season. Anyway, to get back to the very start of it,

the very start of the conversation. I just, the flames aren't going to, be in a spot where it's we got look at this we got some 20 year olds right up to like 29 we have no old guys you're just not ever going to get there so if you're waiting for your team to be in the optimal spot to pull a trigger on a like a zegras type of a deal i just don't know that you're ever going to really be in a spot where you say this makes perfect sense right now if you pick high and you stockpile first and seconds for two three years there's going to be a time where

you have a lot of young players that are one, two, three years into their NHL career. And that's when you can supplement with veteran. But that was supposed to be right now, right? No, it wasn't. They started to rebuild like a year ago. But they're in it. So this would be year one. Would this not be?

They traded all the UFAs last year. They brought in high picks. They're supposed to fit. So this is year one. Right. And they're maybe going to make the playoffs. Pardon me? No, no.

I think you're saying the same thing. But this is year one of a retool rebuild. They traded all UFAs away last year. We're going to finish low. They're going to be falling into a spot for a very high. Yeah, they're supposed to be bad this year because it's year one. And they're in the running for a playoff spot. Yeah, there's four points out of a top 10 pick too.

It's Mucky Middelland, right? That's where I think they are, if you're too close to dismantle, and I don't think you're allowed to dismantle. And you're too, you've proven us all wrong. You're too good to dismantle. And, you know, they got 10 out of 10 points to start the year. And if you can't take No, no, no.

Hang on in the season and just throw them out. Of course you can't. But what you can say is that the last three months also have value. And that's the most recent view of this team as the season progresses, when it becomes harder. So they've beat really good teams and they've lost to shitty teams, which is an 82 game season. I don't see any.

They played 39 games in the last 36. They're the lowest scoring team in the NHO. And? So I just think. I don't think they're going to finish one point out of the playoffs. I think they will fall into one of those top 10 picks because it's just they're basically they played to their ceiling, haven't they? And what could go better? But you're also magically saying that a top 10 pick is a superstar.

No, I'm just saying it's good asset management to keep that pick and not give it 11th overall to Montreal. That's more of my point. But you're not going to control it that way. That's not, I know what you're saying and you want them to fall into that. I'm not saying the guy they pick a 10 is a game changer. It might be a swing and a miss. But what I'm saying is the more cuts you have in the top 10 at the draft, the better your chance of finding a superstar.

They have none. They don't have one. You do not have a superstar. And I don't think anyone's disagreeing with you. So give yourself more chances. How old? Well, by definitely not giving an 11th overall to Montreal. But you don't control that, Ryan.

The team's winning. You control for sure. You can trade Rasmus Sanders on the deadline and really make sure that your defense is mediocre. I'm not saying that they should or shouldn't do any of this. What I'm saying is if they're four points from 10th or four points from a playoff spot, which is how it's going to turn out, come the trade deadline, what are you doing? What's Conroyd?

They will probably hum and ha about Vladar. They could get an asset back. No one will want anything to do with Kuzmenko. And they'll probably sit on their hands at the deadline and get back to it this summer. So. So, yeah. And I don't disagree. I think that's what it's going to agree with you too.

Last year you knew they were making deals because of the UFA spots. The guy said, get me the hell out of here. They don't have a high profile UFA. Like, Fla Dar is a one, like he's a backup. That's their sexiest asset. Yeah. Unless that's what you're saying is that you got to make cuts to get down to make sure. No, no, no.

I'm saying you can't control it. And I'm saying you sure shit can't. You can, you could trade some guys and get worse if you want it. If you want to, if you're hell bent on a top 10 pick, you trade Anderson. If you're Conroy, you can't. You can't just trade. You got a set of... Well, you just said they can't or won't.

No, I said there's a chance he can resign here. Boom said it was low probably. Am I crazy? You said. Rhett, you're saying the GM can't control with him. They can get a top 10 pick. I'm saying if you really want a top 10 pick, trade Rasmusanderson, you got one.

Well, you can trade everyone and get really, really make sure, but now you can sabotage your team. Talk of reality where Craig Conroy is in his GM chair, down at the Saddle Dome answering to a guy that isn't keen on what's he going to what's the reality of it not a pipe dream yeah we're going to trade everyone so if you want to talk about the owner the reality is they're going to have to be far enough out of the trade deadline to trade Rasm Sanders that's what I would say it have to be okay we said they're going to be four points I don't think they won't I think they'll be further out than that four points out of the playoffs I think they're further out than that they've been awful on the road eight of their next tens on the road they're not scoring I hope Again, I hope you're right. And to be fair, I think everyone for Connie, like, you hope the team gives them clarity. Like either really put on a run here and say,

geez, maybe they are good enough for a wild card or just, like, the worst spot to be is what we're talking about, isn't it? Now, now if you had to put wives, kids, houses, life savings on it, do you see them going on a big run or a huge slide? I see more of a slide, but probably more. But do you? Is the third option like playing 500? because that's like that's my saying watch ones more likely or or i just don't see them winning a bunch

or losing a bunch i think it's mucky middle the rest of the way yeah and which puts them in a spot the only way i think they trade anderson is if they get some out of this world offer and they should he's making 4.55 for two more years i know he's a right shot top 4d but when have these deals that we saw coming ever transpired they'll get a bunch for tana the to foley's going to get your first Hannafit, all this, didn't really transpire. I mean. And I feel like Anderson's a little different because he's not, he's younger, he's better, his cap hit the whole thing.

They got lots for Lindholm for a guy that didn't have a good year. They got lots, but it's not lots compared to what you expected quantity. That one was the one that they got more than I expected. They got a first, a player. At that point in time, it was maybe more than what you expected. Going into the season, it's not what you expected. Of course, but at the deadline, you're not trading the guy in the summer.

You're trading the guy that had the shitty year. They did unreal, given that. You're just spreading the shit around the screen here. It's, you're just... I think that was his best trade. Last year, I think it's the best trade he's made. Right. So I'm a fan of that deal.

I think he did really well on it. Those other ones I don't, like... Did they use that pick? Yeah, that's, I believe, Gridden. So... Ristavich is one of your top prospects in the organization at this point. And Kuzmiko was that piece last year. year that's not looking like one now. But I still think if you get five pieces for two months of

Elias Lindholm and one of those pieces is a first round pick and the other's a good prospect, that's a good deal. The big thing is way better than we can all agree is, okay, so they've kind stripped it down. They traded UFAs last year. They're getting young. Young guys are coming up and there's some optimism there. There's no superstar. No. Or close to it. As good as happy as we've been, Coronado's been good as of late. And hey, Peltier's. it, you know, kind of effective in a checking role and Zary, we love him and Pospis. There is no Art Ross candidate in the bunch. Perkins is the only chance at a star.

I'll say that. And that is partially, I agree, but it's also partially because he's younger. He's had less time to watch his game. No one else has set scoring records in their league like he did as a 17-year-old. Like, he's a higher end. They've never had a chance to pick guys that talented where they've picked. you know like zari's in the 20s pelchie's a pick in the 20s coronado's a pick of 13 uh they like he's

he's their best you can be right he's he's their highest end guy because he's the high he was the highest trap slop they had the fucking oh hl he's playing for saginaw and he had 96 points of a 17 year old that's sleeping insane oh insane i mean wonder if there's any other guys that have ever had lots of points in the oachill not turned out i'm sure there's tons but it's uh i think what we're saying and he's their best prospect of with each other. And we all hope correct is a superstar. It's still not enough.

No, God, no. And that's why the Zegras thing doesn't really make sense to me, because it's like, he doesn't put you over. You're just stuck in the mucky middle end. But the only, and we'll move on because we're just kind of, to me, it's never like, again, it's never all or nothing. Use some picks. Use some picks as currency to trade for other guys if you can. I don't think Zegra's, it's not like you're taking, well, we're guaranteed to have really good players with what we're trying. trading. It could be shit picks. They could be swings and misses on draft

picks, but you're getting a 23 year old who plays center who scored 20 in the league. Twice. Is it a risk? Sure it is. Yeah. But so's fucking Hansik. So is whoever you draft this year in June and next year in June. You don't know. Yeah, no, it's risk everywhere. There's no question. This is not

you know, you just do this, do that, you win cup. Like, no. Look at what Washington's done. Like, it's wild. They have drafted so well. It's almost less about like, oh, should we trade or draft? It's like, just nail your amateur scouting. You pick your, just nail the scouting. You look at like protest and McMichael and all these guys that have come through. And it's like they've done the hardest thing to do, which is never pick high and continue to bring in roster. Can I ask you a question? No. Yes. Is it the draft

pick or the development? It's both, but I think probably you've got a better shot of the better player becoming a player rather than a me player and a better development system if I have to pick. But you want both clearly. You want the good input. Right, because I have no clue what Washington. I don't know those, you know, I mean, I know the names. I recognize the names that you're talking about with Washington, but were they so, was it a sneaky good pick? Or did they pick them and go, we're going to work with you and make you better?

You kind of picked around the flames for a while there when you looked at like the Zeri Peltje years. I know, but I don't care about that. No, I just think they're really good at Amster scouting. that's what you want to be because then it becomes less of a risk dean to look at your picks and say this could be nothing i got i got conifference in myself i'm at the rank all the time i'm not sure about if i have conifidence in that uh in red yeah i know you're at the rank a lot that's hurtful that was hurtful it was unnecessary uh and just looking at uh because you know the ducks and i'm this is i not this is this

would be this would be the strategy that you would want to employ, Ryan, and I think a lot of people would. We're going to be bad. And we're going to pick high. In this with this Ducks team, I was like, again, we do this every time we play the Ducks. They've got first rounders, Carlson, Lundestrom, McTavish, Mitchikov, Zegris, Gochay, they've got guys that were first rounders. They have two 20-year-olds, three, 21-year-olds. They got 22. They are a young, young team with at the time and maybe still, sexy prospects, high draft picks and all of that. They have missed one, two, three, four, five, six straight years. They have not qualified for the playoffs and have been near the bottom.

They have been hard to watch, like hard to watch for six years. And they're still and they're just now maybe turning the corner. And you don't know about Zegris and you don't know what I mean? It's like, I think if you could pick today who to have. have like an absolutely but you can't do that because i mean you don't get up you're going to need you to live through those six those hundred percent years and so this is what people you know either do understand or don't understand is that you don't just say rebuild and you're good the next year like it there's like it's it's a half decade yeah and to to walk the tight wire that kregg connor is

trying to do which has remained competitive and restock with young players is so incredibly hard and almost impossible you know boston's found a way to not rebuild we just mentioned washing Sometimes really good teams have one bad year and they go mine a gem and they can bounce right back. But you just look at the composition of cup winners. Go look at the last 20 cup winners and what do they all have in common? Some are big, some are small, some skate, some are physical, some have really high-end skill. A lot of them, most of them are that skill. But like really the only consistent trait of most of those teams, of very few exceptions,

is that they have a lot of stars that they drafted in the top five. And so for me, if it's about being competitive and selling tickets and having fans that are into it and playoff games, you can do a lot of ways. But if you actually want to lift a cup, then that's your top priority, not a bottom line, not season ticket renewals. You have to strip it down and go pick high. Only Vegas and St. Louis and 20 years have done it. What's that? The ducks did it. We'll see what they can do.

Buffalo's done it. Buffalo stripped it right bare. Yeah, like look at the Ottawa. They're all teams that have stripped it bare. traded their their UFAs and they've traded these guys and they've been bad. Yeah. We'll see in the next five years. And to be fair, look at Chicago.

What were they made up of when they won cups? Look at LA. What did they have when they made one cups? Look at Pittsburgh when they won cups. It's not a guarantee that you rebuild you win a cup. It's just that it's almost impossible to win a cup if you don't. Yes. And you're right.

That's what I was just going to say. Go look at the bottom eight teams in the league. I mean, Nashville will be in there. they haven't really rebuilt. No. But there's a lot of them in that realm that are on the rebuild train, and they aren't all going to win. And you're also seeing a lot of them turn the corner this year.

Like, I think Anahun is a significant step better. I think Ottawa is a significant step better. It doesn't guarantee you that you're... It just means you're in the dance. Like Ottawa's way better. They'd be thrilled just getting the playoffs. I mean, a lot of these teams are starting to turn the corner, but it doesn't mean they win cops.

No, of course not. It's just that without stars, you just don't win cops. Sorry. But again, and I'm now to be in the pender, I'm just arguing to argue. You can pick high and not pick well, or you can pick high and pick well and still, there's no guarantee. Yeah, no one here's a lot of, one, two, three, four, five, six, it's seven years of no playoffs, bad hockey in Ottawa.

Yeah. And they're hoping now in that eighth year to maybe qualify for the playoffs. What's Detroit? Detroit to be longer and worse, worse prospects. And again, like, there's, you can't just talk about Ottawa, like they've done everything right and look it out when sideways on. It's incredibly dysfunctional there.

I'm throwing, there's, it's more than just Ottawa, it's Buffalo, it's Anaheim, it's Detroit. San Jose is going to be part of it. They got, they'll be good. You get some cornerstones in place, you got a good shot. No one is saying it's a guarantee you win a cup if you rebode. That's a complete. No, but at least you're going to have a long row.

And no one says that they're shorter, that they're really easy to predict, and timelines are really simple, and you just do it and you'll be good. Of course not. There's risk involved. That's why this job, when Connie took it, was incredibly difficult one. You had an aging roster that wasn't good enough. Your owner wants you to make the playoffs every year, and you know you need to get younger because you have no stars. Eight years for the Red Wings.

And they're not close. This would be the ninth street. They're not going to like nine years. No. You got a nine-year-old? never a playoff? Yeah, never. Have you,

take your kid to a playoff game? Playoff game. What you need to do is make sure that your draft and development and your owner and your management team and your organization in itself is way less dysfunctional than a lot of those teams we mentioned. Because it's just, it's already really hard. Then if you add a Hansi owner or a bad GM or a horrible amateur scouting track record,

like it just, it adds three, four, five years. Edmonton it was what a decade of darkness they didn't have an oh each L scout one year like what the hell are we doing here like wasn't that buffalo saying do they just do the video scouting now i probably under bottle or not anymore i'm guessing but yeah like it's these are hard mistakes to hard errors to undo and then you look at tampa you're like oh yeah all these first rounders of course they've all these banners and good every year that la team and not not to go down this rabbit hole. But out of those teams that you mentioned that, you know, pick high,

those L.A. Cup winning teams, almost the exception of that. They had Andre Kopitrar. Dowdy's the two-rounder. And they had Dowdy. Quick's the other piece. That's the one.

They got an all-world goalie. But they, I mean, that one year, they just steamrolled everybody. But it's Justin Williams and Mike Williams and Jared Stoll. Yeah, they gunned their head coach, Murray, midway through a year, Darrell came in.

They made it as like a six and an eight seed the two years they won the cup. 11, 12 was the first year. Yeah, so Darrell comes in and it was just bully hockey, we're bigger. He taught them how to win, and it was men against boys, every playoff series. I think one of them, they got up 3-0

and needed six, but everything else was four or five. It's just hot knife through butter. There you go. got it figured out you're not doing that without daddy no it's good team or or big d big d for sure yeah i mean a lot same roster different coach they were out of the playoffs when he came there yeah yeah no question uh we'll do some stuff yeah i did what else i mean and again it took a long time to get there but there's some real interesting and attractive prospects on this anaheim team

And they're not all first round. This Olin Zellwiger, who's, I think, born Calgary played up. Olin, yes. He was a second rounder. This guy, you know what he is? He's shifting. He's a shifty little bugger. I mean, Leo Carlson turned 20 in December and missed, what, a chunk of last year with injury?

Great player. Great player. You were at the draft in Nashville and everyone thought it was, what, Will Smith that was going to go next? Or Cooley, I think, if I'm getting my name's in order right? but they were like not like Jackson Lecombe physical center like we're taking you and Carlson it too Jackson Lecombe second rounder in 2019 he's got eight goals it's tied for fourth in the league there's a lot of guys that are that are common I don't know they they got uh dumb radco gudis is their captain and true those are two of the biggest like physical

intimidating players in the league on the back end of the right side yeah and the other thing they had is two years ago they had the defenseman of the year and the oh the Q and the dub. It's like, yeah. Oh, so they got a real good stable. Yeah.

Nice. Meanwhile for the flames. They've lost back to back in three or four. And I looked this morning. I didn't realize their penalty kill has, uh, abandoned them. It's in the shitter.

It's down to 30th in the NHL. They've allowed seven power play goals in their last six games. And for a team that doesn't, that generally three. Three. makes it tough. It's funny. The first two months of the year,

we were just crushing the power play. It's over 20% now. But if you thought, when you looked on paper at this team in the summer, they could be good at one thing, you probably would have picked penalty killing. Yeah. Because it's like, is there a lot of hardworking 200 foot,

not a ton of skill, but lots of work ethic guys? Yeah, we can do that. Yeah. You were great last year. If I got the roon dog out there, Longberg at these guys are going to be great penalty killers. I mean, shit. It's, it's, it's backland and Coleman over.

the bench first whistle, right? Like those are great penalty killers. Yeah, nine, nine of 16 in their last six. So it's been a bit of the skids here. It's the first of a back to back with travel, although the travel's not right. With mums,

which is always distra. That's right. It is mums. They are so far three and one in the first of back to backs and then one in three in the back half. So does Vodar get the first half in this one? Because he's been getting the back half. I'm not sure.

Not big travel. Not big travel. If you really think that they're trying to powder, puff wolf and load up Dan Vlodar with tough stuff, then it's Wolf tonight, Vlodar tomorrow. I don't think that's what's happening. Yeah. Do we think that it's the way it's kind of played out, but that's not really. Not really. Huska is out there trying to devalue his backup.

The guy they're trying to trade. Yeah. Yeah. Igor Sharon Govich, guys. Not good. Shark. If this was a different scenario or maybe the team was really trying to be good or they were contending, here's a guy that came in.

Trade's great. Great connoffidence. Great connoffidence in this trade. It's worked out great. Sign them to a big money extension. Five years, right? And now it's 13 games without a goal. One goal in his last 17.

And is kind of one of those guys. I like them, but is kind of one of those. those guys, if he's not scoring, probably not doing a ton for you. He's not hitting. He's not, he's not, he's not hitting. He's kind of, I guess, is he doing much on the penalty kill? You don't really want him for that. It's not, it's not been a good year for Sharon Govich. And I don't know that we need to hammer the guy, but it's kind of, it's not that it's flown under the radar, but I think in a different scenario, you'd be getting crushed. Yeah. For this season. Well, we mentioned them a lot that's the two weeks prior, whenever we've been doing shows last month, but like being at the Utah and Nashville,

games, there's just a tentativeness about him where he's, it doesn't look like he's moving his feet. And I feel like that describes like 80% of players in slums. It's just like, move, move, move. I don't know if it's the overthinking or calculating or like, I got to stay my position. But for whatever reason, it's just like, where's the giddy up? And when you don't have that, there's no room for you to shoot. And that's your weapon. Like if you're your eager.

Like if you're getting your hurt. Yeah, he missed some time and that's not what you wanted. but he just doesn't look like the same player. You hope it's the injury in a sense because that means there's room for improvement in the health front. I do hope it's the injury. Yeah. And I...

But we said it a bunch. If he's not shooting, he's wasting his talent. That's his greatest asset is that shot. And if you're not skating, it's tough to get open to shoot it. And sitting them down, like you say, unless he's injured, or unless it's dogging him, then... Sending the message of sitting a guy, oh, yeah, if he's hurt and he needs a day off,

Sure, absolutely. Where are you upgrading? Like, I get that he's not producing, but you're going to put Duer in because you want to send a message to Sharon Govich? I don't think he needs a message. But it is almost, yeah, it is almost at one of those points where if, I mean, if it's dogging you, then let's get you right.

Take the two days off. Not that we're going for on a big playoff push or anything, but you're not playing well. Like that's easy, right? Yeah. Maintenance day or stay home. But I mean, again, we're hoping it's season. injury here. Yeah. But you don't want it to be is, oh, he's feeling fine.

He's terrible. Because this isn't even your one of that deal, fellas. It kicks in next year. Hagar, how, come on and have a seat. How you feeling? I feel great. Oh, okay. So the, is it the knee or whatever it was? I was doing squats the other day. I did more than I've ever done. Okay, good. That's awesome. Well, go get, go get me. See you tonight. Shoot. Yeah, and again, like at this time last year, Jonathan Huberto was the greatest lost cause in the history of the NHL. He had one point in December that he's been actually pulling the rope this year

and a good player. Has been. It's fits and spells with most players. It's nice of you to say, right. Yeah. No, but his last year was like, what the heck you do? Hey, I'm going to see. What are you?

So, Igor, you know, turn it around a little quicker, but yeah, do go ahead and turn it around. Don't think he's lost cause, just, uh, no, it's 26. He skates well, and he can shoot at it. done like come on now put it together wouldn't you love hey be able to shoot it like that or skate just you'll be a even just be a beer leager it's like that guy can i can really shoot it you know i'm getting you for christmas i'm getting you sharing govich a shot thank you we're going to win that pawn house chairman every year boys yes someone on our team shoots like that those little nets just fired it how are when does your training start

I've skated a ton in the last two weeks, like pretty much every other day for three weeks. I said, I've been skating. Good, good, good. He's ready. Yeah. It's just holidays.

And you have Aussies. You're like, get on the ice. This is fun. Can they skate? We put hockey pants and elbows and helmets on them, and they absolutely loved it. They couldn't get enough.

It looked like 10 bits, but, you know, they're having fun. Yeah. Because it is coming. It's the, we'll be heading up to Jasper once again for the, the pond hockey tournament.

I don't even know if it's, like, it all feels, kind of self-serving because it's not what we were saying, hey, enter a team. I don't know what the situation is. Oilers Nation, it's a big thing for them because they get to go and watch oiler games and get drunk and, you know, give each other to reach arounds and be all excited about fucking McDavid or whatever. But we are going up there and we are the defending champs.

And Pinder put on quite a performance on and off the ice last year. Put together a winning squad was. Questioned. No days off. No day's off. I mean, it was, it was really something. And I'll just say this, we got targets on our backs now.

Because not only did we win, we let people know that we won. Yeah, we weren't shy about it. We let them know. Well, they let us know about McDavid all the time. And we say, look, like, does he have won yet of these? Or is he at zero? No, no, he's not.

I mean, you have your McDavid. We'll take our championship. Yeah, we'll take the championship. we'll take the gold. Now, Jack, do you have, I'll start with you because you're the, you're the GM, the coach, the top player, you're the Reg Dunlop of this whole thing. Have you secured the roster or where are we at in terms of roster procuring? It's actually really good that you get that on my radar because we're certainly going to return a large core of the team.

Are we? That's good. Well, you want to do, you want to be able to defend. That's what everybody wants. Hey, Red, you want to be able to come back? Now, do you want to over tinker with a winning line? lineup. Great. So I think your core is still myself, Jack, RJ, and deeper. Now deeper also, he runs in different circles than us in circles that include very good hockey players that can still do it. So yeah, if anyone wants to open tryouts, Thursday at the Mardaloupe boat.

Okay, there it is. Yeah. Jack, now with Pinder, Pinder's always in good shape. He's been on the ice a bunch as said, Jack, how have you been, because I know there was that the day of the drinky show, you're supposed to be on the ice at Prittis. Yeah. Didn't happen. I'm a lot more prepared this year, I think. I've been out to Prittis a couple times. I'm off the sauce.

I'm not drinking. We're going to continue that through January. I'm in better shape this year than I was last year. And he knows who's walking into. He walked in blind. Yeah, I walked in blind. Got buckled and I wasn't great. But my game's going to another level this year.

So they better be ready. Rhett, what's your observations from where you? you said. Well, I didn't have any faith last year. Keep expectations nice. That's, I like, let's not change that up. Jack sounds like he's full of shit. Yeah. How you're going to perform in Jasper in January when you're not drinking.

This is like the Steelers are on the moon. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a lot to be done, Dean. Ryan can say he was on the ice. He was skating with Aussies. that's not really considered conditioning. His back is probably sore from picking people up.

But I don't know. The jerseys looked good in the... I like the jerse is going to look over it. Now we also, because Tyler Moss was on the team last year, right? Do you have to reach out to Moss. We'll see what his enthusiasm level is. Also, got to try to improve your roster's bubble cup. I was going to say, you don't want to tinker with a winner,

but at the same time, targets. I do wonder. kind of begging for he was the quickest to furnace face on the team. We'll say that. Jack gave him a good run on day two though. Yeah. All parts of a winning team.

They'll never be able to take that away from us. No. Never. We'll never know until we get, you know, that Bartoloup, outdoor rink. Everybody fills out their registration for them. We'll see what trial. Yeah. Gotta give you everyone on the ice. Plus, everybody's a year older now. I mean,

Ryan, you're, there's a little gray in that beard this, you know, it's. Yeah. To be, I am officially a year older at this year's tournament, but, you know, like you're grade one, but you might read at a grade three level. I've been like, I just rammed in three years of poor decisions into that last year. So, you know, catching up a bit. Yeah. Yeah.

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The Pinda Report. It's game day. Let's head over to Flames Nation and see what's cooking up on the old. old web said oh bobby germany's on the case boys what can the flames do to score more goals does the answer get pissed like angry or wasted what do we what like wasted i know at jasper a couple of the guys they really came to life after a couple they sure did you the creative juices yeah yeah also uh there was talk about arthur calli of potentially being claimed by the flames he was not the rangers did that more on those items and of course much more

over on Flames Nation. Now one of the other pieces up there, Bobby Germany himself wrote should the flames be in the market for a Elias Pedersen deal? We'll get to that in a sec. But first, why are we talking about goal scoring? Oh, because since the first three games of the year, the flames are dead last in goals. 86. And not like, well, they're in a big clump of teams. No, they're seven goals behind second last, which is Chicago at 31st.

Chicago. And of course, this tweet, we talked about it. They've scored four goals or more twice in the last 36 games. But Germany writes the article. What can they do to get more goals? It's not even like, oh, the power play's brutal once that's better. Like it was a miserable start and they're over 20%. Power plays probably been just fine.

You just have guys that aren't Coleman, not enough goals, Sharon Govich, not enough goals. Guys that you, I didn't think Coleman was going to get 30 or 30 plus again this year, but no, more than what he's got. Because Menko and Shorenko and Jerngovich are probably the two biggest spots where you're like, ooh, you had your pencil. There should be seven goals there. Can I offer up a kind of a contrarian thought?

Rather than going to the coaching staff and looking for more goals, maybe we need to criticize the coaching staff because in a way, this roster, hey, we're not scoring. Well, we're like dead last and freaking goals. Why are we doing so well? Hey, coaches.

Lay off. these guys are shitty and they can we want to be terrible let's go so you're telling me we're last in goals here but we're kind of middle of the pack mm huska lay off these guys there's some losing here in the second half let them excel it what they're good at you lady jack campbell to play some games for you this season that's what needs to get done here game 40 tonight by the way we are that close to the midway point oh i love the report card the midway, the halfway. Yes.

And then hot seat. Oh, who's on the hot? Dregs loves that. We're at the midway point of the season. Who's on the hot seat? And then there's the midseason awards. Yes, those are good. It's coming up to.

I want to ask Rett about Al McNeil. He passed yesterday, an incredible life in hockey. The Flames had a bunch of tributes to him from former players. Just on Mike Commodore tweeted out he absolutely loved seeing shop around. When you were in the organization, what was Al doing? Where was he? And what were the interactions? He was giving me shit telling me to play meaner. And to get my stick up on guys.

Al McNeil was the best. Al McNeil, his story is amazing. He's one of those guys. You played there. You played with him. You did that. I remember when the move was made for Daryl to come in and they called Chopper is what they called him. And chopper was the coach between the firing of Gilbert. and Sutter coming in. Everybody loved it because he had coached before

and everybody loved him. He's like, I don't know. What am I? What? Is there nobody else that can do this? I didn't know who he was at first. And then you kind of get filled in. You're like, ooh.

Yeah. Chop. Been there, done that. Hey, Al McNeill. Yeah. Yeah. Truly one of those guys, just beloved by the entire hockey world.

Love that guy. Sad. And yeah, like, he was kind of the staple around the dome, right? Like, no matter, there's been a lot of regime changes and a lot of GMs and coaches. Handwritten notes, he wrote, if you drop them off on the coaches' desks. Interesting. Great players.

I remember, I'm sure, I went and talked to him after we lost game seven in Tampa. I went up and had a beer with him on the front of the bus. And he was writing out his rankings of all the guys and how we'd played and all handwritten. Still, even after he was awesome. Guy knows hockey. Yeah, he coached the flames for 11 games in 0203. We should call Wilm. I think, well, I know Wilm was there.

Weimer might have been there as well. We should call them and have them on to talk about it. Yeah, came with the team from Atlanta. it was he's a he's a he's a calgary flame he's he's been there right from the start so he will absolutely be missed uh it's jumping to the standings see where these two clubs are at respectively first the wild card flames on the outside looking in canucks blue elite late last night uh falling in overtime to montreal so they get a loser point they're two points up on the flames games played or even they're going to play the st louis twice this week are the flames

or sorry next week so that'll be an interesting four points. A pointer? Proverbial eight points next week. They play Tuesday and Thursday in St. Louis. We're odd to be one city, two games in a row and not back to back, but whatever it is what it is. And then the Utahs. We'll see what they're made of. Their same games played as the Flames and two points back. And hung a licking on the flames last week. Wasn't pretty. I liked where they were at one point. And then it was, oh, so this quick goal, well, you're at three now. And I've done it twice this year, right?

They really beat them. And they've dominated them in Utah. It might have been the worst game of Flames played. Yeah, they had the back to back or two-game road trip where it was Vegas and Utah. And both goalies got smoked and it was like, oh, right. This team might not win the goosh. It was a goosh. It was a heavy goose.

Oh, show. It took a little window of the old wolf for Calder. I know. Vesna. Vesna. Let's go. Back to Flames Nation, Bobby Germany, he's been talking about scoring goals. He's also been talking about, hey, what we were talking about.

Could the flames make a move for Lius Pedersen? Should the Flames? Good read there. Lots of comments on that one. And I actually have a pal who has much more important things than hockey in his life with his job. It is very smart human, but loves to send me wacky trade rumors. So I got him to draw one up here. Okay.

here's the idea. Who can actually put together a win now deal for a crazy aggressive Jim Rutherford and Patrick Alvin. The cousin's Byron rumor has been out there a bunch with Vancouver. It doesn't really think that's going to happen. So what's a win-win deal? Let's take a look at the deal with allows the Canucks to remain competitive in the short term and the flames to add a center in his prime. Where's the deal? Give us the deal. Need the deal. Where's the deal? Alias Patterson for Rasmus Anderson, Nazim Kaudry, Ilya Silovia Sloviov and a first this year,

the Jersey first this year in what's considered not a great depth of first round draft class. How do we feel first reactions and we could talk it out? Because I don't expect everyone to have this. There's the salary, there's the contract terms, there's the who's doing who of favor with cadre. There's lots to interpret here. It's a lot.

I think it's nice. Yeah. I'm not sure that Soloviov is. It's a left shot D that they need in their system. Whatever. Yeah. Depth D. It could be put a Jan Kuznetsov in there instead, an Artem Grushnikov, whatever.

Red, I'll start with you. It's not as sexy as Cousins and Byron. I'll tell you that. From Vancouver's point of view? I mean, yeah, if you're looking five years out, I know who's better, but today there's no question. I think you're underestimating. Cousins is.

being around a long time. He's an NHLer and I think in the right situation. I think he's ready to pop. He isn't what, what has he proven thus far though, right? Like he's just, he's still the, I'm, you asked for my answer. Don't shit talk what I'm telling you. I'm telling you right now, if I'm Vancouver, and he said they, I don't know if the, savers would do it. But if I was picking between the two, I would definitely go with the savers offer. Rasmus is going to need to get paid soon. We noted that. I, I'm sort of of the belief if you took Rasmus to market. Right shot D. Rare.

At the deadline this year, you could probably try to get two firsts in some other miscellaneous parts. Would it sound better or worse if it was three first rounders in Godry? And a prospect? I don't know. But it's the money comes down to almost 50 grand difference. It's almost identical. The money's going to have to be close or very much in Vancouver's favor or a deal just

doesn't work. Everyone's too cap-strapped until things jump in the next couple years. I mean, it's a fun exercise. There's the, well, there's an old move and would Vancouver trade with Calgary. And that's, that takes the fun out of it. And yeah, to me, it comes back to kind of our conversation yesterday with Nossam Codry. Are you doing the flames of favor or are the flames doing you a favor? You're getting a centerman who's playing very well.

He's not past his prime. He's at the tail end of it, but he's still playing very well. He's got some grit and all of that. But with the term left, and I don't know that we necessarily convinced any of us, each other yesterday which way is the right way that is but and he and he wrote it that's he's sort of treating it as a neutral not adding nor taking away value but they do need a center and for the flames the big win would be to get out of the half decade left on that contract not that he hasn't been right now which he has been yeah um and and ierson is a d man they are desperately seeking a defenseman

Quinn hughes came back last night look great heronics out long term they still want to add to A few of Anderson on that D-Corps. That's one hell of a decore. Right? And so anyway, it's close enough that it makes you hum and ha and see why both sides would be interested. It's also could be a little scary if you were thinking of trading Anderson just for picks.

Oh, three firsts out the door. And 11.6 coming back. Yeah, which right now it isn't a problem. But once you start paying the Zaris and Coronadoes and Wolfs of the world, you're like, maybe that isn't. You better be that number one center that he's going to pay. If he's going to be the number one center and the skilled guy in the top five scoring in the league. Okay. Sure. Top 10. Yeah.

Because they already took like 10 million a year and gave it to a guy who was 115 points every year. Yeah. Every year. One year. And then, uh, less pumpkin to a pumpkin. Less pumpkiny this year. Yeah. Last year. A pumpkin-esque. Yeah. It's the greatest comeback they've ever seen. They're calling me the comeback kid. Not a pumpkin anymore. that's your Huberto. Is that what that? That is. Maybe. Let's look at the ducks. Take a peek here. What are they made of? They're without Zegrois. We know that.

Strom, a couple of Stromes having great years. Do you know? Terry Vitrano just re-uped. You got the three-year extension with all the deferred money. We spoke about yesterday. Cutter Gocee. Screw you, Philadelphia. I'm heading to the beach. They traded Jamie Drysdale for him. Mason McTavish. Captain for Team Canada, the World Juniors, Robbie Fabry, veteran, we know well. And there's Leo Carlson in the three sea hole, just brewing, marinating, and stewing, ready to be an ox number one centerman in the old sea hole. Yeah, it sees right in it. Mm-hmm. Easy. Blue line, a couple big, mean righties, Goudis and Truba in the top four. Probably not where you want to slot them on a contender, but other side.

Make the puck to the other side of the ice, fellows. Don't, don't be coming down the left with your head down, boys. They're going to have you lined up. and they are missing Minchikov in there. I'm not exactly sure the circumstance of his absence, but there you are. Elsewhere, goaltenders, Dostell's had an incredible year. John Gibson remains very mid

and seems unmotivated behind a team that, to your point, has made the playoffs in six years. I'll keep going to the rank. I don't know what he's. They'll keep paying. You know what? He's got a 914. That's actually really tidy. A 2.78. It's as good as he's been. Yeah, that's fair.

picked up his 200th career win the other night. It's like he's been playing a long time. Long time. Of note, ducks are bottom three in the league in power play, shots against goals four. And the penalty kills not far off bottom five in the league. So there's areas they've struggled in.

They are the third youngest team in the NHL. And fifth least experienced in terms of guys. And you kind of said it is, are they a playoff team what are they they're playing their best hockey right now which is again it's probably not great news for the flames if you're they've won three in a row and four of six at home despite being nine 11 and won it at home so they're i mean they have one less win than the flames just in case people are thinking this is an incredible mismatch of don't look past it yeah and their offense has started to come around they lost five in a row early december

they've gone seven and four six since and in that 11 game stretch and they've scored four or more five times. Five times? That's so many times the Flames done it all year. I know. I kind of keeping an eye on that. But yeah, they're starting. I was just going to say, that was an empty net.

So they're, yeah, they are what they are, but they're young. And I don't think it's a, they're not on a rocket ship. But they're playing probably their best of the year right now. Yeah. And it sounds like Pat Rebeak was in on some Stamcocy conversations this summer. I think they're ready to supercharge this thing in the summer. Like you've got all the young pieces. You don't need more high-end prospects.

It's time to start winning there. So we'll see how they approach the deadline and the summer. I don't know a lot of people, a lot of people had Truba as a spot that is a team that'd be interested in them. Weird number. Was he wearing a 64 or something? Trubes? Yeah. What was he?

Throw those lines back up. They got numbers on those jerseys. Yeah, he's wearing some weird. And I think there was some rationale to it. probably some else had his numbers usually. But you could pick something else. Let's go to the D there. 65.

Troops. What are we doing? Huh. That's a training camp number all right. Okay. No. We'll move. Jack.

It's 65. Love affair. Anyone remember a young fellow named Jacob or Jakob Markstrom? Hmm. Only played Calgary for all. Alamo? Arm hair? No, not to have the arm hair. That guy's, but also a sweet. Hmm.

Good year, May year. What you have in? May year? You kind of had that like every other year type vibe about him. Wow. You bring it. They traded him for Kevin Ball in a first rounder. There it is. Oh, the ball trade. The ball trade. Yeah. I remember the ball trade.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Goley that was a first in ball and then there's some other game with the other. That's who it is. Jacob Markstrom was awesome. Last night, have a look. In Seattle. This time of here, he loved one. Leaping to his left.

Boy, he's big, eh? Was he that big here? The one year he was definitely small. Larsonie. That's very good as well. Geez. Well, that's the third. period too.

Geez, in the one goal game. You give away the save of the game before the game ends, right, Dean? Yeah. But he's not going to beat that. No. Geez, sorry. There doesn't get much better. Oh, wow.

That's, uh, yeah. That's grand larceny. Okay, but why are we showing more highlights if that's the save of the game? That's always. Whoa. Watch the paddle. He's down on his bat, falling. All he can do is swat his paddle in hopes of keeping it out of the net.

save traffic falls backwards tennis racket bongk get it out of here again one goal game on the road he's pick a ball in chips it but watch the blade of the only nice stuff good heavens he's having a great year jersey's been very good so happy for him happy for him and honestly i remember listening to those broadcasts last year and god bless him but like the one color guy, not Kelly Rudy, of course, but I'm forgetting the other guy's name. I'm blanking on it. Doing the sports. Why would you even talk about trading a Jacob Markstrom?

And it's like, we get, he's a good player. But like, you got a young star prospect. They can both be good players and you can get a first and a defenseman back. Like in hindsight, yeah, this was, of course he traded Marks. Who's the GM there? It's, uh, office Gerald. Just don't talk about trading him. He doesn't like that.

That's right. Oh, his name comes up and trade. Jacob's like, I've, He'll get very sour. Yeah, he'll get very sour. Okay, we'll keep moving. Remember the phone fell out of the guy's pants in the KHL? I do.

Yeah, it's a bullshit excuse. Let's go to it. This is good stuff here. That is locker, post game. Yeah, yeah. My phone, I put it right here. They took off my elbow pants.

And then it fell in the pant. It's like cigarettes. You just put them up here. And then it just put them up here. I just smoked. Okay. And then it came out and I'm like, what's going on here? I'm supposed to have my phone here.

Yeah. Honestly, a very funny situation. Oh, maybe even embarrassing. A new meme indeed. Yeah. I'm sure the coach loved that. You know what? At least he answered.

What are you going to say? I didn't want to make our league into a clout. Is that direct translation there from Russian? I didn't know. How do you say clown show in Russian? Good thing, Tyreek and Antonio Brown don't feel the same way. It's kind of entertaining the more clown show. Look, made it on.

You know what? Like you say, have fun with it. Don't be up. Go on. NHL slate tonight. Say quick peek. Lots games, Dean. Oh, my goodness.

Look at the slate. 10. How many teams involved? 14. Wow. Not a lot of them great, but there's not going to be anything better than the top one. Carolina, Tampa. Two very good teams, the old Southeast Division foes.

and teams that, yeah, you would put in the their cup contenders bracket. Boston's interesting, a lot of people questioning their offseason moves. We'll revisit some of these in our Bet365 segment. But yeah, not a ton of great. Yeah, you know what, you're right. It's a lot of games, but it's kind of, okay. A lot of heavy favorites if you go to the old app. Yeah.

So we'll look at some shooting and. Remember, the Oilers and Bruins, they played each other in the Stanley Cup final back in the 80s. You're after the flames. So if the Bruins win tonight, they avenged that loss. Yeah. Huge stakes. Andy Moe getting the start?

Billy Ranford? I think it's Moog. Yeah. Juno, Neely, Oates, if you can stop them, the Oilers have a chance. That's right. That's right. Okay. No one's stopping clement.

So good. NFL, we get odds now. You know, the matchups get set. Lines move. Jack was saying yesterday that the Steelers plus 10. That opened at 8.5. So already moving, money moving to. Oh, no.

Chargers are favored by a field goal on the road. Buffalo big favorites at home over a touchdown. You'd expect that against a Broncos team that probably should just be excited to be there. Packers Eagles looks like a gym. We talked about that with Frank yesterday. That's a big number for two teams that were played very close, although way back at week one, no Christian Watson for the Packers, Jack, done, Killies?

Yeah, Donzo. Might miss next year, too. That's a no-boino. Bucks favored by three at home. That makes sense. And Vikings will have to go cross-conn and over to L.A. Slight favorites on the road against Stafford and the Rams, who crawled out of a really bad hole to start the year to make the playoffs and win that NFC West.

What do we got going on this weekend? I mean, because that's two on Saturday, three Sunday, one Monday. That is a time. serious workout. Trying to line up play dates in our basement. Many sticks, many sticks, because that means daddy can watch NFL. Oh, it's, you know what? It's early.

But it's shaping up real. There's other weekends that are no, but this is, Rhett, tell us you're in the same spot. I'm out of town. Oh, sorry, bud. It's going to suck. It's not the same. Hey, I want to come to my hotel room and look at my suit.

case and some football games. No, it's not the same. Yeah, we got the, uh, the game on the, uh, 18 inch here in the hotel room in Met Hat. Yeah, yeah, I'll just, I'll just, I'll stream it off my phone here in the concession. Yeah. Not the same, right. I might order a stupid amount of food.

You pick your pubs careful. I'm not going to go to a, I'm not going to a January like that loser jack. He's doing rye January. Yeah. I go to a pub. Uh, tonight is the debut of this new golfing league. It's a simulator golf league, which sounds. sounds chintz's help, except that it's actual like PGA pros and they've got a huge amount of money behind it.

Let's have a listen to how it works. Let's talk golf, TGL golf, a new three-on-three primetime golf league on ESPN. Six teams from six cities made up of the top players on the PGA tour will play in two-hour weekly matches, culminating in playoffs and in championship. There are two sessions. The first, triples, a nine-hole three versus three alternate shot. The second, single. six holes of players going head to head. Each hole is worth one point. If tied at the end

and overtime determines the winner. Set in the first of its kind venue, the players hit into a massive screen. Huge. 20 times the size of a normal simulator screen from up to 35 yards out. The short game will be played in an area larger than four basketball courts. On a tech-infused green with an adaptable surface to create hole-to-hole variations. TGL is also bringing the golf of shotguns. clock a ref, a timeout to ice the golfer, a hammer to raise the stakes, and the players are all miced up to get you in on the action. This is TGL, presented by SoFi.

Okay. We've all tried to watch golf and you sit down on the couch. You're like, cool. And then you're like, oh my God, this is all day. It's perfect. This is like a two hour primetime 15 hole. Look at the size of the screen. So they have a car dealer that's a sponsor.

They said that screen, you can stack 36 vehicles and it's bigger than that. Like it's, this is not your buddy's golf sim in his garage. And it's quick. You're not spending three minutes watching players walk to their ball and wait for someone to clear the green. I don't know. Maybe it's the early hype and the buzz, but two hour prime time best players in the world golf. I'm curious. Give it a try.

I'm curious. Let's give it a shot. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now, here's a sport that Rhett really wants to. catch on. I know he's itching because he's got to get out of here. But we know the shoveler

is huge into hobby horsing. Yes. Huge. So annoying around the house. And so I think, I don't know if it was like the husbands and boyfriends get to go, but at the last event, Rhett got out there with his pals. That's not the husband. It might be her boyfriend. You better not mess with my gang or you'll be messing with

Oopi-Goopy, General Munchkin man, Lil Jim Bob. And worst of all, Larry. So the husbands go first. Then we got the main event. And the shovel is trying to set a new height record here, which is incredible. It's awe-inspiring stuff. There she is.

Oh! Shovelerino! Nailed it. Wow. Gosh, she's taking this anti-agent stuff seriously. That's four feet eight. Four feet eight. Wow. What would you rather watch? That are the golf sim? I think I'm going to the golf.

unless they staff that other league better. You are always shit-talking the shoveler. I just, I'm glad she finds something she's passionate about, not good enough for Pindy. Happy. Years. Years of inappropriateness towards the shoveler from you. Big fan.

She's starting to earn it. Another combo. We don't have to see the combination of hockey and swimming. This could be a new sport rat. There we go, baby. Is this in the backyard, Reds? This is Jasper with Pinder. after about 14.

I should be careful. Come back in. Oh, careful. That is Wind chill warning. Also, I wonder how that part of it was. He's definitely not worried about falling in, though. So maybe that removes a bit of the.

Dean, yeah. Dean back to you. Dumb. Someone had the meme of one of the jets here after beating Miami in the final week of the season about, isn't it nice to get back to work after the holidays where you can really let people know.

Oh, there's one. Two. Three. F sharps. You. Oh, hang on you. No, not you. You.

One over. You. Yeah, you. You too. That's what you said. Nothing. Yeah. That's right.

Five F moms. Fix F sharp. Wow, that's dedication to it. Very good. Who's been to London? Jolly old England? Oh, I love it there. Big Ben. Got a place there. Was it? Yeah, well, a flat, I know. Yeah. I take the tube to get to my flat.

I don't know what that means. What do you think I'm full? Do you think I'm lying? Have your rats in your flat? Do you have a rat flat? No rats in London. No rats in London. Whoa. They're good pets. Back to you, rats.

I didn't think there was any rats in London, but that is more than no rats. They need more snakes. They need more snakes, Steve. Finally, rats been bragging all holidays, but his brand new move at the roller skating alley. You know, he's shoulders don't hurt when he's roller skating. It's his happy place. Check out the moves.

You can try to ask. I try. I mind when it just got running in people's legs, miss the birth there. That's pretty good. Well done. That's Pinned Report on a Tuesday, Dean. There you go.

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Download that app to your phone or your mobile or whatever it is that you're using. Bet on a huge range of markets. Use the promo code nation to sign up for a new account. If you haven't already, it's never ordinary. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet365. And Pinder has a couple for us tonight. Again, 14 teams, 10 games on the NHL slate tonight. A lot of heavy favorites.

I don't have any money. lines are teams. I'm going on some player bets. Leon Drysidle has cleared this total in 11 of his last 14 games. That's a lot. Now, it's minus 140, but I enjoy that. It's Boston. It's Edmonton. It's the rematch of the 90th cup final. As Dean pointed out, I know it's a big one for Leon. Big one. So three or more shots. You're a winner. Again, 11 of 14. That's an incredible pace. Austin Matthews came back, played a back to back coming off that injury absence. Five points in those two games. I like plus 165 for him to pick up a couple against the leaky flyers team. Drys, with a point, we'll have points in 15 straight. If he gets there,

the dry saddle one point bet, it's minus a billion. Yeah. Not idea. Not idea. They know. They know. I'm putting you on the spot.

Do we, what now for the, who's the, are the ducks favorite at home tonight against the flames? I think it was close to a soft. It's got to be close, right? Do you think?

It's probably something we should start including in the Penderport, now they mention it. Anyway, um, got 365. There you go. The promo code nation. If you haven't, you hear us talking about this all the time.

Well, I don't really know, look, it's, you get in, you have fun with it. Flames minus 140. Hmm.

That's plus 120. More of a favorite than I thought. Hmm. We'll see what starts and the road has been a very tough place for them. Sure has. Five, eight, and four. Which doesn't sound off.

awful, but if I told you they played 17 road games, only won five. Yeah, it's all about how you shape it and frame it for sure. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet365. Worth mentioning two, though, I think we kind of brought it up yesterday. There was a time, cannot win in Anaheim. Don't win at the pawn. It's the, you know, it's the doom and death and all this sort of thing. They've won eight straight at the Honda Center. Eight? Eight.

Going back to the 1920 season, it's been, nothing but success and have heavily outscored them while they're there. It's been a great spot. Tough six years to your point for the Ducks. So if they win tonight, what are we looking at? Well, they'll be flirting with 10 straight somewhere in there. Because eight and tonight. When did they play the Kings?

The Ducks night. Tomorrow. 8.30 buck drop tomorrow. Yeah, 10, 9 straight. 8, 10, something like that. Yeah. And we'll be at Richmond's again tonight. Richmond's Pub tonight will be there.

eight o'clock start. You want to see Rhett eat wings and pizza and an amount that you're sure he was ordering for a family? I'm not sure. You know what, Rhett likes is come on over, give him a nice big slap on the back. Yeah, he likes it. And get real close to him.

Get right in here. And ask him what Kipper was really like. Yeah, like right, right about that. Yeah. I said hi to Red. I have a big fan. Ryan, can you show us again with that shot? Just so just for proximity,

you leave nothing to the imagination get right in there i just yeah he doesn't like it at all and he knows me you he knows me you got it in my face it's a drinky party it's enough like it in your face hey who did iggy fight in the dressing room ask him those you know a big slap in the back and red will be your best friend he'll love it why did they trade dion so that's that story there you go we'll be back tomorrow doing this show once again love it yeah super chat

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super chat Ken back in Ken Ken's been doing a lot of this Thank you, Ken, appreciate you. I'm listening to Rhett, and I'm now convinced there are 32 GMs who are complete idiots. What this league needs are former players like Brett coaching. Well, but isn't you want them GM? GM. Right, you can do both.

He was promoting the weed as well, so Ken and I are aligned. So are you okay with the dual role of head coach and GM? I'll do whatever. Probably have paid two salaries. You're doing double work. Listen, not afraid of work. I was going to say, that's the thing. thing with red the one thing that i mean if it's effort and and and like digging in nobody better

like guys i got a 1220 today can we speed this up yeah we've got to go i got to eat head coach n gm rott warner double seller listen it's not that hell see you buddies