Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Not A Great Day To Be A Flames Fan | FN Barn Burner - June 22nd, 2023

Episode Date: June 22, 2023

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And we're off and running. Welcome to the podcast, Barnburner on a Thursday, a busy Thursday, as it turns out. Who knew there'd be busy things or a lot of stuff going on here in late June, but yet here we are on a busy one. Welcome to the Tower Chrysler Studios. It's Boomer. It's Pinder. It's the Rettster Tower Chrysler. So it's a tease and peas to surge today. Serge La Casley. Oh, what's going on? You're all right? Well, he was in, he was in Palm last night, Palm Springs, watching the old the firebirds. He has a, he's been a firebirds fan for about six days. Yeah, hours. Yeah. All of six days. He was there for game seven last night.

Oh, yeah. Long suffering. Yeah, I know. Yeah, long suffering. Coachella Valley Firebird fan. Would they have a two nothing lead and then lost in overtime? Oh, boy. They have a two of the Hershey Cup championship.

Or the Hershey, they win the Calder Cup championship last night. So sorry, Serge. T's and P's. Tees and Cruz. Now, why is there two Calder Cups? There's one in that league and there's one in this league. No? Is it the same Calder?

I wonder. I mean, it would make sense that someone made a great impact in the American League and then also the NHL and that shit named after him, but I don't know the answer to that. Is it Shane Calder? Don't believe so. Kyle called. He's moving potatoes. Is he really?

Is he really? Fries available, folks. I have no idea. Your fries available. Yeah, I had no idea. Well, I guess there's no need to F around because there's been there may not be a situation where there's been more flames news in a 24-hour period. So it's last summer. The hockey, but hockey Hall of Fame.

Yeah. Head coach in the American hockey league as it pertains to the assistant coach spot in the national hockey league. Right. And three pivotal pieces of the on-ice performance of the Calgary Flames. News surrounding all of that. None of it inconsequential. Jack, do we have some, like, beat music? I was going to say, we almost need, like,

some intense kind of. Yeah, da-da-da. Dada. Yeah, very dramatic, very dramatic times. Now, I know you've got all of this coming up in the Pinder Report, and I don't want to steal your thunder, but we can't. No, we have to talk about it. Let's talk about it. We'll kick the can around until then.

So we'll start, I guess, with some Frank bombs came out this morning by way of the Twitter and by way of the Soche. We'll start with Noah Hanofan, who we've talked about plenty. And I don't know that this is necessarily breaking news, but it's just the latest from Frank. The tweet as of less than an hour ago, the belief is Flames have received a more direct answer from defenseman Noah Hanofen, who has clearly indicated that he does not plan to sign an extension in Calgary. This doesn't necessarily guarantee a trade, but Calgary has an answer on where he stands. Again, kind of reinforcing, I think, what we all believed, or at least what we all were hearing, that other people believed.

So, to Frank's point, doesn't guarantee a trade. But if what Conroy said at his press conference about not being able to essentially walk pending UFAs into a season and risk losing them for nothing. You can still trade them in the season, I suppose. You can still do that. Don't get hurt. Don't get hurt. And don't be good.

That's the other thing, too, that we found. That if you're a good team and you're in a playoff hunt or in you're a playoff spot, it's hard to trade your really good players. Frank made a good point. You can walk away, let them go. I mean, I think if you can choose between getting a bunch of picks and not having the player or just letting them walk and getting the cast base,

I'd rather have both. Is that a bit hypocritical on my side when I absolutely roast for living for not trading. Is it a bit hypocritical? Hypocritical? Or you could just let him walk for nothing. You could just get that cap space back. It's a switch. You do get a cap space if you just take picks back.

I do want to remind people that. It's not one of the other. It could be both. I do like the idea of both. It's like a really, really, really good draft class. Okay. I said this yesterday.

and we never followed up. Would it be an option, in your two dummies' opinions, to combine, say, you on Hannafin, you're taking more of our money and not get anything back? In other words, the two highest paid centerman on the team. Or not centred, yeah. You could. I'd rather try to get a pick in the top 20 here.

This is a really nice crop. There's no guarantees. in life, Ryan. Of course there isn't, but Jesus. So for that, so let's just paint an example. Let's say it's Nazim Kodry. That would be one of them. So you would be sending

Noah Hanofan, potentially with an extension, long term, and Cadry somewhere. You would have to be taking back some money, I would guess, because you'd be talking about Hanof and $5 million, just a shade under five this year.

I mean, are there not teams out there that might work with you that have some caps space? Huh? Not 12 million. That's what those two guys are making. I mean, you don't want to eat on Cadre because you're eating for six years. This year on, on Hanifinsure. But I don't see a team that thinks they're contending this year with 10 million bucks cap space. Yeah, but the Buffalo

Sabres. Do they have 10 million bucks in cap space? Now, let me, I'll just finish that point. Now, if you were in there, it's a good idea. But if you were to take money back, it doesn't mean that you're taking six years of it. You could be taking it short or maybe it's the final year of a deal where you're, sure, we'll take that guy that's got $5 million and six million. And then the caps up next year and they can deal with their shit later. Yeah, that's, you absolutely could. I just think it's going to be really easy to be bad.

If you're going to be bad, what's really hard is to collect good hockey players. And this is the draft you want to collect players from. But they're, there, the flames aren't the only one seeing it though, Ryan. It's the only flying new hornet here, right? Like, no, I'm not suggesting other teams don't know it's a good draft. What I'm suggesting is if you're a contender that sees your chance to win is this year or next year, this year's draft picking and helping you win a cup. It's going to be beyond that.

So you're trading futures for present. And the other part of that is it's great to have cap space. What are you doing with it next year, right? Like, if you're the flames or somebody else? If you're the flames. So say you clear off, say somebody say, yeah, I'll take Hanifin and even Hubert. Great. You've cleared up a whole bunch of cap space next year. What's your plan to use that cap space? Anything?

Or do you now start taking shitty contracts? Because this is the trickle-down effect, right? Chess, not checkers. You've got cap-space now. Now you could take someone. Like, you didn't move Hannafin and Huberto for picks. Okay. Damn, it would have been nice to get picks.

Guess what you got? A bunch of cap-space. Who's in a tight crunch? There's a bunch of teams. We'll take your shitty money. Give us your picks. Right? Like there's,

once you start moving the pieces, there's other ways of getting those, those picks that you have. You can do it twice over. You can trade Hanford for picks. Get the caps, face. Take someone else's bad money with picks.

Get picks, picks, picks, picks, picks, picks, picks, go. I just think, yeah, you could really work hard to try to remove one of these cumbersome huge contracts. I still agree with Boomer yesterday. This is the absolute sell moment for the careers of,

Cadre and Huberto. If you can even wait one year, you might be able to do it with less pain than this offseason. That's my take on it. I think if the coach had anything at all to do with them not having years that were typical accustomed to seeing, then you'll have a better spot to move them in a year from now. If the coach is not an issue and all and they're just failed players, okay, well, then you're in the same spot year or next summer.

What a shitty thing, though? You're giving up your two, three defensemen. I'm suggesting trading him for a pile of assets, not giving him up for nothing. That's my suggestion. My point, though, is for those guys to look good, do they need to, does that not mean the team needs to be good? And if you're, anyway, it's, no, there's good players and bad teams.

I mean, if Huberto looks like the Huberto that arrived in Calgary and not the one that played in Calgary, you're happy with where you're at versus what you had this year. If Nazim Qadry looks like. happy with what you're at because you're going to get production from him. But if you're deleting from your decor and you can't fill that hole and now of a sudden you're losing, you know what I mean? I do.

I'm not really talking about winning next year. What I'm talking about is asset management where it's like if you, I don't think you can let Lynn Holm or Hanifton walk for nothing. And I think if you can find ways to get into the top 20 of this draft, like you could really swing the fortunes of this club for the next decade significantly. You might not. But it's the best. when you look at draft classes, this one is, you know, at this point with, we had Byron Bader on last night for a draft thing.

Like the numbers kids are putting up in their draft year this year. We haven't seen since that 03 class. If you could pull a Perry Getslap type thing out of this draft class, it completely changes your fortunes. I'd rather that than trying to dump a guy who's had a career worse season. So Pinder did a draft preview show for us last night, as he mentions. and he's been told by guys in the know how great the draft class is. So we're going to be hearing a lot. We're going to be hearing from Pinder about how about draft picks a lot over the next six days.

Honestly, we've heard about the 23 class for three years. This isn't new. You know that. It's a deep draft. And like, here was a question from last night, a little teaser for Tuesday show next week. Where would Shane Wright or Yuri Slavkovsky have gone? The presumptive number one and the actual number one,

if they were in this year's draft class. These guys think they'd go in the teens. that's a Western scout and a guy that simply looks at data and says here's what guys with this type of production of them these leagues typically do like that's how much better this year's classes than last sure no yeah like you please find more top 20 picks than this year's draft is okay but here you know it's just it's too I don't disagree with you and it's sure the comparisons with the 2003 but you still have of a third of those guys aren't as great as what, you know what I mean?

Like the 2003 draft class still, where one, two, three, four, five. Ten old famers in there? Well, that, yeah, but there's also seven or eight guys that didn't pan out. Correct, yeah. There was one that played only a handful of games. They all played. Yeah, but okay, Robert Nielsen.

Yeah. No, yeah. 15th overall, like 250 games. Sure. And again, I'm not arguing to say don't get the picks. I'm not, I'm just, it's a I think Conroy's in a shitty spot. Of course he is. Yes, we talked about it. He's been given probably the most diabolical of marching orders. Make the playoffs, but oh my gosh, I'm seeing this team getting really old. I'd love to get young. I think what the news we've heard today, which boom hasn't really even gotten around to saying yet, is like, if you ever had a day to

commit to a rebuild. This is the fucking day. So we'll spin, uh, let's do Michael Backland. This was another piece that came out from Frank this morning. Now I think we've all kind of felt like Backland has been a Calgary flame from the day. Like drafted here. He's played here. Doesn't feel like maybe he should play anywhere else. Could be a career flame.

The guys in the room have been talking about how he's captain material. Frank had an update on his Twitter regarding Michael as well. Bit of a surprise, told Michael Backland is also leaning toward not resigning in Calgary. That could change and the flames hope it does. He's been a staple for 15 years. Nonetheless, Craig Conroy has decisions to make. I always, I find these kind of, and this is nothing about Frank. I take Frank to absolutely have his facts on this.

This feels a little bit, and it can feel a little bit like maybe an agent is throwing some shit out there to see if it sticks and just to let, we're not sure. We may not. To kind of sweeten the pot potentially on any kind of a deal that he may have as far as a contract re-up with the team. I don't know. My take on this is that there's more shit in that dressing room. What you said is true.

That is a very strong possibility that the agent is trying to manipulate this and use it to his advantage. And that's what an agent should do. The other side I see with all these guys saying, thanks but no thanks. There's some major effing issues in that room. Yeah, and I think these guys need to be convinced.

It's going to work. And if you're asking them to make decisions now based on a decision that they have the right to wait a year on, I'm not ready to make a decision. I want more info. I think every agent would be advising their guys. There's not a lot of advantage to locking in now. Pretty much aside from injury, there's no advantage to locking in there. For Backland at 34, it's a little bit different.

I suppose, but if I was back on 34 and he said, he wants to win, I'd certainly like to see how this looks. Well, good luck to him in picking a winner. That's, that's fools, errands, but. No, but at least you could say these 10 teams have a decent shot of going deep. I don't know that the flames are in that group right now. They're certainly not. So if he's a free agent and says it's just about winning,

I'll sign for $2 million one year. Like, who's who's competitive? Let's go. I'll be your number three center. What are the flames offering them? I don't know. I mean, that's, I don't think. What would you? Me? I wouldn't go. I wouldn't give me any term. So not much.

I mean, maybe one or two years, three to four and a half. Like, not a lot. He's a third line center. Yeah, he told me he was a captain yesterday. I didn't tell you that. I said, if he was your captain. Well, okay, not you. Sorry, but.

I think he's a candidate, but I mean, I'm not in that room. We've all agreed. Only guys in the room know who should wear that C. But the notion of him getting huge term here, he said he wants to win. He's not going to get a term unless it happens to be just some magical fit. Everybody wants to win. Everybody wants to win. You're taking this as a,

I'm willing to win at all costs. It's not as, this might be his last time to get real money, right? Like he's, yeah, he's not going to make money. And it's probably mostly here. Where else is he going to go and get big? I don't know. But I guess that was what I was trying to get at was, is he really willing to play for $2 million as opposed to five? I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. And I don't think he's a $5 million player anymore. So. And I keep coming back to it. And I don't know.

I just, he's, he's, 34. Yeah. I'm not. This is fine. We have to read below, beneath the service then. If we're saying all this stuff, then Conroy's marching orders have to be dump everyone. Because we just said he's not the good.

We're not saying he's not that good. What we're saying is he's a secondary piece on a contender. He's at the age of 35 next year when he's a free agent. That'll be his 35 year old season. He's come off of his big contract that he's made his money on. he's not going to get a high A.AV and he would be like if a contender thinks they need a third line checking center. That's what he is. I mean, no one's here telling he's a top two center.

You think he's got a big deal coming? I don't know. My thing has been that I just think that it's to say, oh, just take a one-year deal. This is his last chance at getting a deal quite likely. If I'm Michael Backland, yeah, I want to win, but to Rett's point, there's no guarantees. if I can get a three or a four-year deal somehow, a three-year deal is probably the max, I'm taking that over a one-year roll of the dice. We haven't seen a lot of 35-year-old year guys get three, four-year deals,

especially when they're third-liners. So, I mean, if he can, go get it. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was pick a spot, take less than market to try to win. I wouldn't be surprised by that. So then we move on to the third player in today's Frank Baum news, and that is Elias Lindholm. So Hannifan, we believe, has told Conroy in the team that he's not coming back. Michael Backland has floated the notion that he's not crazy about it.

This from Frank. Calgary recently made a big pitch, rolled out the red carpet money-wise, paraphrasing, to try and re-sign alliance. Lindholm, Calgary is waiting on a response from Lindholm. Haven't been given definitive answer yet, but General League speculation is he's leaning toward not resigning with Calgary. So in other words, we're willing to overpay you. Thanks, but no thanks. If you're going to make it impossible. Yeah.

If you're going to make it impossible for me to turn down, I guess I'll come back. But at the end of the day, we've talked about how hard this is for Craig Conroy. Are the players going to make this incredibly easy for Craig Conroy? No. That he's just got to trade these guys. If they all say they're not coming back, then you've got to trade. everybody. I feel that way. I do too. I say start

moving assets and who and figure it out down the road like put unless ownership isn't willing to, you know what I mean? We're assuming. This is the challenge, right? We're assuming that this is another, for lack of

$10 million dollar eight year deal, right? Like top of the top top end money for them. But is that is that how ownership is approaching it have they given Conroy the hey go ahead and give him whatever he wants attitude but I think it's typical for that for the for the flames to do that it is but I wonder if this is a little bit different we've talked about with it being Conroy and

again love the sway that they might have but this isn't like like Conroy is saying yeah we've got this team that's established I just want to I want to change course with many options at hand. This is kind of being force fed to them from what we believe. Players choices, right? This is, this is the, what you've been dealt with. And I think Murray slash ownership might be more willing and able to handle that based off what happened last year with Goodrow, where they went into the year. They didn't have him extended. And then he left. That left a very sour taste in Marie. Here's what Mr. Edwards has to understand, though, is that if guys don't want to be there overpaying them, will not.

result is you might keep them but it's not going to help you in your results. I agree. I think this is the underlying factor I have for the whole flames group right now. There's too many guys that appear not to really want to be a Calgary flame. They're happy to play in the NHL. Absolutely. I'm getting paid good money. This is not the worst lifestyle in the world.

but deep down, I'm not, I don't, I don't bleed flames. I'm not a, I'm not a Calgary flame for life. I'm not a buy in on all, you know what I mean? And I keep saying that for small market teams

like Calgary, Buffalo, Edmonton's an outlier because of McDavid, Winnipeg, you have to have guys that want to take on the personality of your city and become part of the lifeblood of that city. They want to be part of, part of the city and they want to be Calgary Flames. You can't

have guys that are just, well, this is the team I'm on. And that's what Connie said is, press governments. I want guys that want to be flames. I got to find out if guys want to be a flame through and through, not just to collect a paycheck and play in the NHL, but to be a flame. The question isn't do you trade these guys? From the ownership perspective and Connie,

what he's asking to them, the question I think he has to ask is, guys, like, we could get a haul of picks in a great draft year. Please don't make me take present players now instead of that. Here's a great opportunity to reload for the next decade.

Don't bring 28 year olds back in with a year left on their deal. Don't try to be competitive this year and not collect this great opportunity to get young and talented and hungry again. Right? Just to finish.

The deal that Trilliving took on Kachuk was one that was a win now deal. It wasn't a futures deal. I hope ownership doesn't make Conroy turn these into Win Now deals, I'd love to see some futures deals. They've moved a lot of picks the last five to ten years. Okay. We have to put on our Sabres GM hat and our Florida Panthers GM hat and our Dallas Stars GM hat and go,

are we willing in our organization, I'm just throwing names out, teams out, to take these players on and give up those picks? Because again, what we go back to is other teams know how good the drafts. is as well. And the cap's not going up and it's a tough situation. So it's easy for us to sit here and go, let's move these guys and get a top 20 pick. I'm not saying you can't, but other teams might not be as open to it this year as we assume, right? I mean, we've seen a bunch of moves already. That's the only reason I'd think it is. We've got seven teams that have more than one pick in this first round. But they accumulated them for a while. Years ago. Most of them were at the deadline this year, to be honest. So people knew

this was a good draft class, but again, you're balancing futures versus present. I do agree. Who accumulated picks at the deadline then? Okay, Arizona from Ottawa, that was what deal? Well, St. Louis did O'Reilly and Harris-Wi. Here's the teams that have multiple picks. St. Louis have three. San Jose

is two, Chicago is two, Philly is two, Arizona has two, Detroit has two, Nashville has two. Ryan O'Reilly was a first. Sandine moved for a first. There's a bunch of guys that move for first. This isn't a sneaking up good draft class. It's just

it's going to cost more to get a first, but teams are still moving them. They know it's just a more valuable first. Instead of viewing it as pick 25, view it like pick 12. You can get picks. A lot of moved hands already this year. Let me throw this out there. Brian Burke, when we had him on the show,

even just over the years, he's talked about as a GM. If you want out, You're out. If you ask for a trade, you're not playing, you're done. You're, you're leaving. Even hearing from, because it sounds like the one who is most open to a reunion or to resigning is Lindholm, is already what you've heard from him? Has that soured you to the point where you feel like, no, that's, that's not the answer I want from a potential captain and number one center that you're, to where I'm gone.

I'm done. I'm done. If you have to go to the place financially where you're going to have to keep him, he better be a flame through and through. And to be fair, I don't blame any of these guys. No, it's not a person. What is the organization shown them? Like, do you treat players the best in the NHL?

Or do you see an organization that cuts corners? And, hey, we all look at the lists we compiled for GM and head coach. Was that the best of the best? Or was that just what was fit in their budget? I mean, I think they've this, a lot of these players had been, here a long time. They've had a lot of fatigue from how this teams are on. We've used this comparable in the past, and I know Elliot on his 32 thoughts did as recent as yesterday, the Bo Horvatt contract given out by the New York Islanders. It was a eight-year extension

at eight and a half million per season. So an 8.5 million cap hit for each of the next eight. Yep. That sounds like what it would take to get Elias Lindholm. And that was before we had more clarity on the cap in two years. I think Linna with more than for sure. Yeah. So I mean, strip that away and let's just say eight and a half million. Redd, are you sliding a contract off or across the table if you're Craig Conroy to Lindho? Do I have

to answer to anyone? Do I have to answer to anyone? Or can I just run things how I want? Because if my marching orders aren't win now, I'm absolutely not. Yeah. Yeah. And this is the biggest challenge we have doing this show

is you can say, Connie should do this. Connie should do that what we don't know is the most important thing that Connie has to deal with. And that's the, what is his MO? What's he been given for what are your marching orders? Like, is he been asked to make the playoffs this year? That's going to lead to some bad decisions. If you have all these guys trying to exodus, like, you're not spending good money here. If you're, if you're, you know, trading these guys for picks and moving them into expensive guys in their 30s, like, I know. And the other part to, we don't know to the Lindholm thing was he were believed

that he has also let it be known that he wants to know that the flames are trying to win, that they're not pulling the plug on things. So what the F does he look up the lineup and say? This comes back to it. I just think that you put it all together, players that willingly want to leave or want all of the money to stay and you miss the playoffs already and everything. The table just might be set where ownership regardless may look at all of it and just say, well, yeah, let's move these guys and let's turn the page.

I hate to do it. And it's pretty clear if what we're hearing is in fact true. It's a unique opportunity to look in the mirror, be honest about where you're at and to make some really, really good decisions for the next decade. And for the opening date of your new rank, which we don't have yet, but we understand would be in a four to five year window. And even that aside, what's your goal to win the Stanley Cup? Every team is in it to win a cup. Should be. This just seems very obvious.

And everyone points to Florida this year being, oh, see, if you just get in, Florida didn't, Florida's been good for how many, three years? They were number one in the league in the regular season last year. Like, yeah. They weren't that good this year in the regular season, but there was always a lot of nice parts, though, that you liked and when they finally got goal tending they look great. So my point about that is to the the old let's get in and see what happens.

Okay. Well. And then so if you in theory. Again, you don't have to do it now, but it feels like if you can get a pick in this year's draft, you do it now. And maybe if you can't then then you wait. Maybe you hold off. But there's also the to Foley Tanev later on by.

the deadline and then it's Jacob Markstrom next summer. Jacob's got two years after this one, but yeah, why would you hang on to Jacob if you're not going to be competitive, right? And he has to play well if he's going to get out of here. Sorry, like that's part of it. No one wants an 885 goalie. Well, same with Cadrean, Huberto. They see things going to shit, do you think?

Jonathan Huberto wants to sit in Calgary and, yeah, I'm collecting a paycheck, but, yeah, F me, this is no fun. Onus is on those guys to start looking like themselves, and then maybe you can make it. happened for them. But if they're going to look like they did last year, those are nearly immovable objects, right? Also news this morning, it appears as though the Calgary Wranglers are looking for a new head coach as Mitch Love.

Brett. He's off to the Washington Capitals as an assistant to Spencer Carberry, the newly minted head coach for the caps. So, um, one-way tickets. Lots of, lots of West jet. Lots of Rhett Warner one-way tickets.

When are you, What are you coming back? I don't know. I don't know. You can't blame this one on? The room in Calgary. Wrangler's had a different room and they won a lot. And when you see someone take a lateral move

because we are believed he was talking about an assistant's job in Calgary. That doesn't look good on the org. There might be. There could be lots of other reasons and maybe it's hurt feelings didn't get the head coaching job. That's my thing. Not a good look. And it might be a weird circumstance where you're both going for the head coaching job

and you get turned down. and while we'll give you the assistant, because I'm sure the flames would have taken them as an assistant to fill Huska's spot. I bet you they would. The question is, do they pay what Washington pays their assistance? Well, there's that question too.

There's her, you know what I mean? Speculating on this is, you know what we should be saying? Congratulations. Congratulations to him and a guy that's ready to be in the NHL and a guy that if he continues his ascension, we wouldn't be surprised to see behind a head coaching,

on the bench is the head coach. He'll be assistant coach in Washington for three, four years. isn't when Huska gets canned? Well, coaches. No, no, I know.

It's the two and a half of your shelf life. You're right, Rhett, like no one lasts that long. You said this either earlier this week or last week when talking about Mitch Love. It feels different where you always want to retain your assets. It feels like that's a player thing. Yes,

he was coaching the Wranglers. It just feels different than a player where today they've lost an asset to me. Yeah. It's like, you know, when Jared Bednar is an assistant in the minors and, in Calgary and he goes and has success elsewhere and then's in the NHL and wins a cup.

It's not like, damn, but he got away. It's like, no, good for him. Yeah, how the hell do you, yeah, exactly. Bednar's a great example. He wouldn't have got the job in Colorado. If Wa hadn't gone nuts so and run himself out of town, right? Like all of those circumstances, you can't control every. Yeah, and to be fair, it's because you don't trade coaches.

They're not assets that you can parlay. And it's like, oh, well, we'll give you Mitch Love in Washington. if you give us a third, like, no. And who the hell says Mitch Love's going to be a good coach in the NHL? We speculate that he's going to. Sure. He'd love him to be. Reason to believe that.

But is he the, like, and it's a three-year window or if he is good, four, five? Like, it's not the next coming of, well, I won't use the word. Anyway. Yeah, the one thing that's clear now that wasn't before is, you know, we wondered about, you know, if you brought it back, what would it look like? I don't think that they can bring this back if guys are all getting, like Craig said in his presser, and maybe this was the lesson from the presser. Everyone loved it.

Ah, he's back, flames one another press conference. I can't go into the season with seven UFAs. I've got to be better at asset management. I learned a lot watching Johnny work for nothing. We can't have guys do that. Well, it's kind of painting himself into a bit of a corner here this summer, hasn't he? Sell the piss out of this team. Yeah.

If guys aren't excited to start. Stay and play. Bye. I've said it over and over. I feel like there's so many teams, and the flames have been one of those teams where you're in the cap jail, where you would love to be able to free up cap space and roster space,

but you cannot do it without sending out assets for other teams to take on money. They are gift wrapping you, space and cap money. And an opportunity to get into one of the best drafts that you might have as a genius. And if you're going to sell on those guys, There ain't a player on that roster that isn't available. Yeah, there's going to be some that are hard to move. But if there's older guys that are expiring that are assets, that are worth stuff, get some picks.

Let's go. Let's go. Capspace, because that cap space, you damn well know, come January, February of next, this coming season. If they've got 15 million in cap space, what the hell are they going to do? they're going to recuperate picks. They're going to get offers, take on, you know, they're out of the playoffs. They've sold a bunch of guys.

They've got a bunch of cap space. Whose phone? Yeah, we'll take your money. We'll take your money. We want to pick for next year. Like, it's great to want to get picks in this draft, but I don't, absolutely, if you can for this year, move those guys and get them.

But next year's just important too. Yeah. Well, and you might be looking at the high pick of your own all of a sudden. Yeah. Get four picks in the first two, first round of the two, Two this year, to next year. Fuck, let's rebuild. Let's go.

Is there a chance that we're kind of alone on an island here? Because I was on social media and just looking at reaction this morning. There's a lot of Flames fans. It's very much they're downtrodden to see that these guys don't want to be here and they're going to be trading away these players and Mitch Love leaves. And it's like, gosh, nobody wants to. What's happening? In Calgary, this is terrible.

Whereas we're like, this is frigging great. It was fantastic. Winnipeg with you and Frank the other day. You're like, oh, man, what a Winnipeg. geez, he's like, this is great. What are you talking about? They can get rid all their problems and reload. Like, hey, if you feared the rebuild, this ain't good. But there's a lot of people that said, you know what? We've been ready and they've never really committed to one. And I think this fan base would embrace it. Like there are people that hold those views. And they're like, yes, finally, it's happening. We're actually

going to build to the draft. This is the only organization in the NHL has never picked in the top three. Go look at all those cup winning teams. I mean, there's not many that don't have a bunch of those. you only get players like this if you're picking the top five type guys like I would think St. Louis and Vegas are kind of your outliers but every other cup winner it's like oh yeah and that's the guy that he's a career

this team because he went number one or two. Stamco's you know headman like they don't get those guys trading. La Caglia in Tampa sure Patrick Kane Crosby Malcolm like Cain Harry

all these guys were Because you're fucking rebuilt. And this all feels different to me, just kind of seeing people disappointed or whatever. This is different than last year where Kachuk said he didn't want to come back. That was Kachuk who had not yet entered his prime, who was emerging as a potential superstar, 100 point season. Noah Hannafin and Lleyssenholm, they're fine players. They're very good NHLers. They're not kids.

No, they're not 24, 25. This is different to me. You had them on very good cap hits, both of them under $5 million a season for a long time. Lindholm and Hannafin obviously coming in that same trade. You got very good value for your dollar on those guys. Cichuk was tough. This one, it's not the same scenario the way I see it. No, no.

And to be fair, I don't blame anyone for trying to run it back the year after and say, hey, like, we felt like this group was close. and boy, they got a lot of parts for Kachuk, a first, which we don't know where it's going to be. It's Florida's first in 2025. You know, you got 100, 115 point forward, who looked like shit this year, but at that time was 115 point forward and a top pair of defensemen or a two three.

Like, that was a haul. You're not going to get that for one of these guys, but you're still going to get significant parts. Like, they got a first plus two core players essentially for Kach. And no matter how you feel about it, and I know how we feel about it. it. I don't think there's a Flames fan out there who can sit and tell you that the mix was right. They had good chemistry and this was a team that looked like they were ready to gel.

There's something. No, it's a shame that you won't get to see a different coach with it, but the only thing we have to look at it was a fucking disaster. Yeah. I think that points to that it wasn't, we've said it. It's not always just one thing. Of course, not just the course. And so I think that this is making clear that there's more issues. than just the coach. Yeah, and Ryan Huska and Craig Conner, I welcome to your new posts. Holy fuck.

What did I sign out for? The walls are caving in. And I do. I hope that this is in a way for Craig, that it's less about do I do it. And it's more, I have to do it. Now the only work you have to do is,

what's the best return? I think he Fs himself if he tries to bring everyone back, bandaid this together. And I actually think it's better for Huska. clear the get the the viruses and not that they're clean out the room reset get a reset in the room work with guys that want to be there give yourself a couple years to to plan and attack Ryan Huska's coaching debut shouldn't be about massage in a goddamn dressing room no and feelings

and expectations should not be hey this is the year we win the cup for this like this is now about developing young players. Develop kids. Let them play. Bring those young guys up. If Codry and Hubert are here, play the piss out of them. You're on every other shift. There is no, and there's kids with you, and you carry them.

Like, I like that approach better than, well, we're going to have four 30-year-old forwards making five plus and getting older and no. Get. We had lunch. I saw the McLeod Law there. We had a nice little get together with all the good people from McLeod Law yesterday. How was your lunch? You had some tacos.

You did the Warner, gave those the Warner treatment yesterday. Well, it's the traditional tacos. So the small. I looked over as I was about to begin eating my lunch and it was a clean plate. It was part of the, it was the clean plate club across the table for old Pindog there. Tap the neighbor and took a slice of his pizza and I was good. That was good, Austin. But you brought up when the comparable, and I think you used Boston, but I wonder if maybe, as you had said, maybe Dallas, and it's not as though Dallas has been a huge success story, but they are a team that has turned the corner a little bit where you have maybe a couple of aging guys on contracts and cap hits that it's too much money.

And it has not been good value. But you've committed a little bit to moving out some other guys. Klingberg has moved on. You've done some things in recent years. and now you've got Rupert Hintz and Jason Robertson and Wyatt Johnston. You've got some young guys who are really kind of pacing, pushing that team. And now suddenly those older guys are pretty good accent pieces. It's not the way you want to set it up, but it can be done.

Totally. Yeah, because we're talking about it's like, man, like these deals, like they're going to be old. And it's like, well, there's a lot of teams that have survived that. There are. And Dallas is one of them. They're paying Jamie Ben almost $10 million a year. They're paying Tyler's again, almost 10 a year. those are what like their fifth and sixth best forwards third and fourth like they've got robertson hints as you noted the others like you can do it with a couple bad contracts what you can't do and what we're all afraid of is if you extend hanifin and you extend linholm and backlin comes back well now you got six old guys and if you're bad with six guys locked in forever you got no chance um but what they if you look at how dallas is good it's because jim nil drafts well they develop really well and yeah

Where the Flames took Stromgren last year, they got this kid that was playing for Team Canada that looks like he's going to light the world on fire a couple picks later. They're just, they're better at that. And that's what you need to become right now. Load up on picks and get good at finding players. And there was some good news yesterday, Flames-wise. Mike Vernon Hockey Hall of Fame. Oh, boy, Bernie. Congratulations.

Not enough goalies in there. This is good. They added some goalies yesterday. Good old Vernie. criminally underrepresented the goalies in the hall, believe it or not. Lots of people have very strong opinions about the Hall of Fame and who gets inducted. It was really quite a firefight on social media about how does he get in and what are they doing with this? I can't believe McGilley goes in and Turgeon or what the hell is this.

McGilley didn't go in. Well, that's what I mean. Yeah. I just wish they have. No one cares, right? No one gives a shit. And then I'm outraged. This is bullshit.

What are they doing? I can't believe it. And then in about two days, your temperature comes down and you don't talk about the Hall of Fame again for 360 days. Get a little rest. A little breather for it. Congrats to Mike. We, you know, curtain pulled back.

We sat down with him a couple weeks ago. And, I mean, he, the, getting ready for that, you were reminded. Yeah, he was good here. He was really good elsewhere. Like, he won a fucking Con Smyth in Detroit. He was the man for one of those cups with, the wings. He was supposed to be Osgood, but he was just, he was out playing

him that year and they wrote him down the stretch and into the playoffs. He was great for them. You know what it is at the end of the day. It's Barnburner Karma. There you go. Two weeks after doing a sit down with the boys hockey hall of fame. Well, and

I'll pull back the curtain further. We sat down with Lanny and guess who's on the selection committee? It's the barn burner karma. It's kind of box. You buy him a coffee. You can make a shit happen it's easy let's go Wayne's got all his pals in if Kevin Loken get in and Alex McGilney can't like just

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Rhett and I sitting down with Mike this is about an hour and a half with the now Hall of Famer from a few weeks ago and this was at the very end of the interview we asked him what he's most proud about about his career for me just looking back we talked about a lot it's been a lot of hometown a lot of you know other major markets two cups like what do you look back in relish or you're really proud of or something you're like if people want to remember one thing I'd love to remember that wow one thing it's hard to pick one it is hard to pick one it is hard to pick one

I just, you know what, I'm just proud of my career. I'm a small guy. I probably, you know, a knock here or there, but I hope to think that I was a competitor. And, you know, I played 18 years in the National Hockey League. I just, my career, I'm happy with it. And I hope people are happy and respectful of it, too. And it wasn't easy.

It never is to play in this crazy game. It takes a lot. Mental fortitude and thick skin and a lot of determination. So I'm proud of my career. We'll have that interview in its entirety coming up in July. We've got some of these in the can, as they say. But it was one of those ones that had passed, right? He'd been eligible for the Hall of Fame for so long.

You just felt like it's just probably not going to happen, not because he's not deserving or that his numbers aren't worthy. But maybe it's just too far, too far gone. I was a little surprised yesterday only because of that, because you're right. And maybe it's because it's a Calgary thing. But I would bet there'd be a lot of people who saw Vernon and maybe take a double check. And then you go back and look. And like you say, oh, well, there's cups and consmite. And the other thing about Vernon, the guy, he was made.

when the games were on the line. You think about the saves against Vancouver and all of that sort of stuff. He was a money, money goaltender. And another one of those things, if you didn't have those donkeys up the road, what kind of numbers and success he would have had in addition to what he's already got. So pretty great.

He talked about it too. Anytime his contract was about to come up, he was just like, oh boy, they're going to trade me and I'm moving here and I'm going there. He had to continue to, prove himself over and over again. It wasn't like, hey, he's, he's going to stay here forever type of thing.

Everyone was always like, wow, we got this shiny new goalie. We draft the Trevor Kid, like it's time to trade this guy. Osgood's here, but he won everywhere he went. It was impressive. Hearing a loss clinic established in a lot of years now, 1993. Sounds like not that long ago, but they've been doing this a long time. Nine locations in all four of them in Calgary. You've got the Shaughnessy location, northwest in the Crowfoot Business Center,

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Buddy, you got to come back. We can set up the appointment. Okay, Rhodes. Where are you today? what kind of a jamboree are you at? It's quite a life. It's quite a life he's living. It's almost like Warner.

He'd be pumped for Vernie. I can take you and show you my basement. Which of the Buffalo house or the mansion on the lake? Do we get to pick which basement? Oh, the Buffalo basement was nice. If you still got the Canada flag hanging. Oh, yeah, all the flags are looking sharp. All cockyed downstairs.

It looks good. falling off the walls. It's a little mess here. So you had the big, was a grade eight graduation? Great eight grad, yeah. Wow. Were there tears shit? Not by me, but the shovelers seemed to take things to heart.

Shockingly, a couple of awards were handed out to the, wow. The big dope. It's number two or three. Remind us, number three? Number one. No, no. What?

Oh, dear. And you've told us for years that he's stupid. I guess I don't know what I'm talking. Are we up here? Oh, that's great. That's great. Wow, it was pretty good. And how big is he know, 6-7?

What's the story here? Great 8 and... It's got to be 6-3-plus. Oh, boy. There's a... That's funny, actually, because he's always been... very rarely not the tallest kid in his class

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well yeah karch that a boy karch is that the last name first name no remember karch kari wasn't that the famous oh yes the volley yes

karch kari the volleyballer He did well, I'm bidding. I think he did just fine. Let's do the Pinder Report. Now that we've told all the news of the day, we'll get into the news today. Oh, don't worry. No, man, no. All right.

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report. Well, yeah, it's kind of a dark. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Do we have RJ? It's, it's the Pinda report. Do we have an RJ? We don't have RJ. Well, there you go. Come up, but. Tough start. It was a quad box yesterday. We had our show, Rob show, live at 55, pre-recorded draft show that's going to air next Tuesday. These boys were going hard. Right. Minda. Rai. Minda. All right, boys, black Thursday in Flamesland or bright Thursday, depending on your glass, half full or empty. Dean, we're sorry about your Black Thursday.

Here's what we know. Lindholm, maybe your biggest decision to make or hope to make this offseason. They went out of them hard, Dean, and they got a, I don't know. It's definitely not an answer, which is what the flames would like to have before the draft. Because if you had an answer, then you'd know. but in defense of Elias Lundholm and all these other UFAs, they have the right to not have an answer right now. They've got another year on their contract.

I'm happy to play out the remainder of my contract, Mr. Conroy, and be the best I can be in these silks. Not really ready to commit for the summer of 2024 yet. So I've been thinking about this for the last three seconds. Okay. This is all about entertainment, right? Our show or the NHL? All of this.

Everything. Okay. What we do is entertainment, the game is entertainment. All this is revolved. People spend their money on this because they want to be entertained. So I say, Connie, make it as entertaining as possible. Go to the draft floor. Like, even if you've got a trade done,

and you wait until the cameras are on and you do the phone call and make a big production out. of this trade. All these trades you're going to do. Oh my God. Conroy trailed. No one is slamming the table. The Hannafin's gone. Holy God. A fifth over. My God, they traded Lindholm home too.

Holy shit back. Like, make it a production. Be the first song on hell in the saddle. Wait. Wait. You're getting up from your, from oh, wait, wait. Oh, another call. What? Yes. Yes.

I'm sorry. It's right. Done. Gary, hang on. Hang on. Something's happening at the flames table. Good God Almighty. Yes.

Yeah. Let's get some WWE shit on this. Let's go. Make it entertaining. Match they have where they hang the, they get a ladder and they have the briefcase full of cash. It's like, all right. The money in the bank.

Let's go. But I got the ducks on the other line. Chase down some GM that's walking up the podium. Craig Conroy with a last ditch effort to, they've got a trade. We've got a trade to announce. Rock bottom. Rock bottom. I think it would be great. Hellfire and brimstone. Yeah, let's go. I would say this. Don't be booking yourself for Wednesday evening. Leave some availability to be covering round one. If these things are happening, they would love. And the ease of which they could do it, we don't know. they would love, love, love to get more in the first round.

And you know what else, Conroy? Connie, you need a move. Like, do the rock. Move. The Hulkster. Oh. Or maybe the crotch, the crotch shop. Whatever.

Yeah. Whatever it is. You got to have us. Yes. The watch. You got to have a. You listen to me. You listen to me.

The cream always rises. Okay. That wasn't the only news. Noah Hannan, yeah, sounding like not so much. And, well, they say things happen in threes, Dean. Sometimes, I mean, when it happens three times, happens the threepard. Michael Backland. No, forever a flame.

Career flame. Could have been the captain. Maybe I don't know. Michael. You should, do you want to just one? just read this for people that are listening. Sure. I mean, you've read them all before, but the third Frank bomb of the day,

a bit of a surprise, told Michael Backland leaning towards not resigning. That could change, and the flames hope it does. He has been a staple for 15 years. Is it that long? Craig Conroy, decisions to make. Indeed, there are decisions to make. Welcome to your first GM job. You haven't fun yet, everything you thought it would be?

Thank God. Air on fire? You're sleeping at all? He needs a special assistant. What do you think the special assistant does for the GM right now? Might just be booking neck rubs. This guy's going to be tense as can be. Keep him limber and loose for this wrestling match at the draft.

Come on. Mitch Love is not. Iggy, can you grab me a gatorade out of the thing there? Yeah, I'm just so parched right now. I've been talking all these GMs. I've just got a bit of a tick. Look, do you? No, no, no.

I don't like the blue. Give me an orange one there. That great. There's another move for the draft floor. Like I hope Iggy's in Nashville. I don't know if he's going, but him and Colin Roy arguing with each other. Yes. Start shoving each other. Oh, the 04 boys and some infighting here. I don't know if they're on the same page on this Hannafin deal. Yeah, it looks like there's a differing of opinion. It would be so good. So good. I think he Gila wants the Russian defenseman. Connie wants the center.

Start doing Rick Flair chops on each other. Who we, who we. Very little likelihood of this happening, but it would be very good. Brilliant. I'm telling you. Yeah, entertainment. It's an entertainment business.

It's going to be an exciting draft. Exciting draft. Congrats to Mitch Love. He's now an assistant in the NHL with a different organization. He's off to the Washington Capitals. And, yeah, we don't know a lot about why. but this seems to be the position he was interviewed for and chatted about with the flames he says

fuck those Chinooks I get migraines going to DC maybe it came to blows with him and Conroyd oh dear I like you know what's good for Connie he's got a good backup yeah he does have good backup only why the leading candidate for the a HL job we're hearing he could just hear some in the skit yeah the undertaker

where music hits, Jerome comes in with the big hat. Who's Stone Cold? Is that Chris Simon with the shaved head? Let's go. Shattering of glass. That's what we need. We need some characters. Who would be what character? We'll work on it. We've got all summer to figure this out to be fair. Or at least a week until round one, yeah. That's fair. Yeah, that's true. Okay, so that's the NHL news. Not great. The Cal to Cup final was last night, game seven in Palm Springs, the Coachella Valley Firebirds. We're in overtime of game seven for a championship, Brett.

Who's got Stones big enough to try a tweener in overtime of game seven? Well, seven. Up ice, Potorowski. In the offensive zone between the legs, Potterosky. Twice. Watch this again. Kay's coming down the right wing. Zook.

Drag. And whoop. Imagine winning a championship with. a tweener in overtime or not winning it if you just went to the backhand because here's what happened next it's two to two in o'clock evans and borgstrom battling for possession really petman involved as well forksrum in front fecioni couldn't settle it down pucks still available in front of the net loose puck they score mike veckyoni has won the carers there's a loose puck scramble right in front and mike veckyone buried it game seven goes

So Hershey. They have won their 12th Calder Cup in franchise history. And the inaugural season for the Coachella Valley Firebirds comes to a heartbreaking end in game seven. All right. That's enough of those. You could hear somebody throw down their headset microphone there after the goal. Yeah. Heartbreak.

Heartbreaker. Up to O in the series, lose an overtime game seven. The third overtime loss in the final. Hershey won one, one nothing. There's a lot of chances you're going to stay up and I'm thinking about it if you're Coachella Valley. Good first year, I'd say, though. Those expansion teams seem to know what they're doing, Dean. Nothing like a fresh start.

Yeah, like a good hard reset. We got haircut news in the Pinder Report. Artemian, Artemie Pinaran. Went to his barber. Evil forces lurked throughout my hair and must be removed. That is him on the right. not his security. That's his barber.

He had to remove the evil forces. You can't go to any barber. Just the barber beefcake? Yes, yes. I think you need to do that, Ryan. I do have some evil forces in my hair where we'll see what happens in Nashville. If I make it back alive, maybe it's time to cut it. You should do it before, try to look respectable.

Yeah, I've tried looking respectable before. We need to do it in phases. Yeah, I like that idea. Like, let's get some business at the first. front. Yeah. We could get some Ricky power going for a bit. Get some racing stripes and lightning bolts on the sides. Somehow working a mullet or do a reverse mullet or something or a Mohawk or the cul-de-sac.

Other NHL news, Toronto, minority owner of MLSE, Larry Tanenbaum wants to sell all his share of the company, which he's valuing at $8 billion. Handlebone. That's a lot of dough. A lot of dough. What is that? Billion?

Billion. It's the Raptors. It's the Leafs. Oh, sorry, sorry. The Scotia Bank Arena. It is a large collection of sports properties, I think, including real sports and like a tower. Like, it's, this started out as, yeah, there's a couple teams and.

I thought you said MLS. I thought he was in on the Toronto. MLS. No, sorry, MLSC, Major League Sports Entertainment. Raptors, Leafs, the building. and probably some other small shares of other things there. That's part. How many billion you got under the couch, right?

Let's go down to the basement. What can you sell that flag for? It's going to be a lot, though. He's muted again. Let's have a look at someone who had an awful night as an umpire, which we always seem to enjoy. Not everyone every night? They're especially bad sometimes.

That's not a strike. Oh, the reds aren't happy. Consistent. Consistent. And the Reds still not happy. That's awful. Five and a half inches. Jesus.

That's outside. Gets the call. We're ready, right? Robot amps. You leave the plays of the plate. You can still yell and try to get guys kicked out. But we need a robot strike zone, yeah? It's time.

No. Yeah. If the MLB wasn't idiotic, they could do it without changing anything. Just have a little buzzer in the back pocket. And to be fair, I've liked a lot of the changes they made. At the time, they sounded radical, but these games are getting done in like two and a half hours now. The pitch clock does not seem crazy.

Like I liked a lot of the things, more stolen bases, no more shifts. I think they could get this right very soon. Come on, guys, don't be idiots. Pride game this weekend at, at Cofield for, bye, boom, see you later. Calvary FC as they host York. Here is Mason Trafford, former player running the business side now. On Pride.

Definitely one that was starred on the calendar last year and 100% was like starred on the calendar this year. People love this game. Soccer, it's pride. It's like the league is involved. We have local sponsors and partners, league national level sponsors and partners. It's sort of like everything comes together.

Picture of the stadium like beautiful, colors everywhere, packed house, people like, again, raising money. And we're trying to do our bit and actually like make an impact as well. And for whatever reason, it's just such a great game. I think it's June 24th as well. So it's like perfect timing for school. It says everybody wants to come to that game. Huge crowd expected.

It was one of the games of the year last year that's Saturday at 3 p.m. Rhett, did you miss slam ball? Remember slam ball? Not spike ball. That was a thing too. That's still going on. Slam ball was when they put trampolines into the floors on basketball course. Do you remember this, like 20 years ago?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Two words. Sheback. ESPN signing a deal to resurrect. Slam ball. I don't know how many people died in slam ball, but I'm going to watch and find out. Bally.

Are you allowed to do this? I don't know, but I'm for it, dude. Yeah, it's happening. So buckle up slam ball. July 21. They're going to let this thing start ripping again. All right. We'll be watching.

At least highlights like this. I can use about 30 seconds of slam by highlights a day. It's all I need. I got to tell you, I'm more inclined to watch this than Cornhole. Yeah. No, and they have tag. I don't know if where you're looking.

I've got tagged on the tag. It was a great novelty for a while, but it's tough to follow. First time you see it quite impressive. And then it's like, I've already seen tag. I don't need to see that again. you know what would make all of them better the slam ball and like the slap fight and all of that drunk drunk yeah i was thinking a drunk team against cornwall that would be awesome yeah get everybody hammered up and then play sports whatever drunk tag drunk whatever

they're missing out on a huge opportunity sponsorship dollars galore now rat are you a bowl do you in the shovel are you do you coach bowling out there at a university Or are you not in the bowl? No, because I don't want anyone to catch up to me. Because I wasn't sure, and I think the names are different, but we saw an article. This is some drama in the bowling world, Dean, which you don't often see.

Let's start with the other part of the article first here. So husband-wife coaching combo. Megadocho. Assistant bowling coach Steve chose to resign rather than be fired after he had an affair or the student-athlete. Not a good move. You don't want to be an affair,

never mind of the student-athlete, never mind when you're the assistant bowling coach. he's married to the head coach and boy national titles two second place finishes that's a program they're going to be feeling the pain of that departure now so what would you headline the article if you're a writer let's

what could you come up with spare relationship causes awkward split well done the negatose daily sentinel more just more applause it's been a hell of a day everybody's on what a headline

yeah you couldn't have done better You could have, maybe there's something with the gutter, you know, maybe something. You could have wedged one of those in. That's pretty good. We've got two bowling references in the headline and it encapsulates everything. It's brilliant. You know what? Journalism does exist, kids.

Drunk bowling. The Natchadoches Times. I thought it was. I thought, this is the only way you do bowl. I'm trying. It's hard work. It's not nearly as fun. He got to do a breathalyzer before you get him the

That's right. He's blowing up. You're good to go. You're good to go. Hang on. No, just mix them up. Just a quick double shot on the rocks and give him 10 minutes. He'll be far.

Yeah, just a tequila. Cheap tequila? Yeah, that's fine. Finally, Rhett, you were hungry last night and there's some security footage at the local corner store. I don't know if the fridge was empty. I know you're scheming a drive back to Calgary at some point. Well, the grad went long.

Yeah, grad went long. He's hungry. The fridge is. empty bad combo look at ret the munch he's late at night last night this is quite so hungry guy walks in the store and he's still he gets the whole rack if he wants but he just wants the one and forgot his wallet sir could you pay you're gonna need you just one he's good boy that was razor eating pizza last night just one slice not a chance yeah right that's your pender report on black Thursday.

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and that is Village Honda. What else did we need to talk about? There were some things, I mean, we've really talked. A lot of sports. We've been dragging those sports out there. Yeah, very hard.

Does anybody have an issue with the Hall of Fame inductees? We didn't have it there in the record, but... I've given up trying to think that these guys make sense, and I expect them to make crazy decisions. So yesterday was right in line. And they won't talk about it, so there's no accountability. So I'm good. Ken Hitchcock, I think he's probably deserving to go in.

Lundquist, deserving to go in. Those are no-brainers. I think people are more upset maybe about the snubs. a lot of people it's like Pierre Turgeon What the hell did this guy do? I don't know Good player

Is he as good as Alexander McGilney? Well that's the thing You can look at McGilney's numbers Yeah You look at McGilney's numbers Well there's guys in the hall Who have similar numbers So why isn't he in

And then Terson goes in And people don't think That he should be Well there's probably some guys In the Hall of Fame And there are in fact guys In the Hall of Fame That have similar numbers

So Who gives a shot Let's just celebrate With them all That's great Happy for Bernie. Happy for Bernie. We just got a boy, Bernie.

What do you think Bernie did last night? Celebrated. Yeah. He was not expecting the call. Those are the best parties. Parties you don't see coming. Right open, got nothing planned. Oh, boy.

We got a party. It'd be awkward if, because, you know, because Lanny is one of the guys that makes those calls. If he was kind of phone screening, it's like, oh, Christ. What does Lanny want? Can't golf today, Lanny. Stop it. You know what?

And you can't get off the phone when Lanny starts. starts talking it's a half an hour i don't have time for a chat with lanny right now just don't no don't answer god no it must be an anniversary hey lanny did we win today 30 years like what is it is it the day no what are we talk what are we talking about hi lanny how's it going uh ret you're a crazy person um Elon Musk versus Mark Zuckerberg in a in a steel cage it. Oh, that's good stuff. Do it.

The world is a fantastic and fascinating place sometimes. I don't know what's happening, but the internet is a buzz over two very crazy, two billionaires and crazy nut jobs. You know what? Good. And donate a whole effing pile of money to charity. Every dime raised goes to some charities. Give her boys. That's awesome.

Like, we take our. People are too serious. This is perfect. Relax. So I haven't, I didn't follow it that close. There's no punching. No one's going to get caoed. You're going to tap and that's it.

So Zuckerberg, who I guess has been, does kind of train or whatever in some sort of, I think all they say, come on. I heard some kooky stat that all these smart mother efforts,

they all train in jiu-jitsu. Really? Yeah. So Moscow. Of course, everyone knows Tesla, billionaire, that thing. And then Zuckerberg, Facebook, whatever, meta, or I don't know what the hell it is. Who started this beef? Because now is, yeah, well, I'll fight you.

Sure, you name the place. Well, how about here, let's go, I'll be there. Let me know to the point that now there's these two donkeys are going to actually fight. I didn't know. Yeah. Is it a true beef or are they just pissing and moaning? Because I'm richer than you are, and it's almost half a joke. Maybe they're at some fancy plates with $40

cocktails and they're fighting over the same girl. Who knows? They got beef. Meanwhile, hey, Bezos. You chicken shit. Let's go. Triple threat match. Let's go. That's right.

Yeah, triple threat match. Yeah, I don't think. Get Gates in there and have all four of them in a corner and whoever. He can be the ref. No, no, no. You don't get to ref because you're older. You get involved. Come on.

Need four. We need a 10. Tag team match. He gets to every day, apparently. So he'll be ready. What a world we live in. What a world. I'll take you down.

Who was it we used to talk to, Dean, that always talked about celebrity fighting? Was it Verk? Was it Brent? There was always someone we brought up that loved the notion of like celebrities scrapping to solve problems. I said it.

Because when... Is it you? Hmm. We talked about it and it was with those kinds of guys, but it was like, yeah, I would... Sometimes I'd much rather pay to watch two dopes that actually. actually dislike each other than to watch professionals.

Like because it was those brothers, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's the Paul brothers. Yeah. That's right. It was,

I think it was probably to watch I get hit. Yeah. That's how we get out of, the world out of all these issues that we find ourselves in. A good distractions. Let's just have crazy billionaires fight each other. Well, I don't know if you want Putin and Biden going on it.

That might be. Politicians are too old. It's not good fights. We want billionaires. I'm not sure Biden's Biden's going to need some sort of a valet. He's challenging people to push-ups, isn't he? Yeah, he's going to need Mr. Fuji or something at his side.

He tripped down a stationery said it's theirs. I don't know if that's the match we need. Fine, we'll go with the billionaires. No politicians. Too important. That's always better. I want to tell you about St. Eugene, St. Eugene golf course.

There you see the championship golf course, Cranbrook, British Columbia. Oh, yeah. Championship golf course. Not a goat track. No. Not a limoole. Dusty.

Yeah. Championship golf course. Casino, spa, restaurants, mountains surrounding you in all directions. You know, we're going to have to send Conroy there after this is all said and done. Yeah. He's going to need to decompress. Then he's got to be free agency.

He's going to have so much cap space. Everyone's talking about how he's going, nope. Spend some at St. Eugene. It'd be great. Go out there, get yourself a little VIP treatment, Connie. We'll set it up for you. St. Eugene.U.orgia is the website. Needs it.

Needs to decompress. St. Eugene.U.G.A. is the website. Book yourself in for a nice little stay. Do it all. Get the casino in there. Have yourself with a little spa treatment. Treat yourself to a delicious and a fine dining experience. And a few rounds of golf.

Out in Cranbrook, BC, St. Eugene Golf Resort and Casino. I'm trying to nail down a net for a date for St. but he keeps blowing me off at this date. Yeah, I just ignore. It's like Bernie ignored Tristening. It's awkward, yeah. Like Iggy was ignoring your text. You got to pay it forward.

Start ignoring someone else. Yeah. So now for tomorrow's program, Pinder, you are representing the show. Byron. Byroner. I'll be up in Evanton. With our boy Jay from Oilers Honk Nation or some show up there on the network. and we'll be golfing in the ATB

financial classic media day that used to be an event there was every year in Calgary and now what they do is they alternate one year Calgary, one year, Calgary, one your Calgary, one your California, one your Hamilton, which makes sense. Edmont's important too, yeah.

I think because their tournament fell through. So, yeah, now you split it. Well, it is Alberta, ATB, that would be the... That makes sense for them. No, that would... Pinder. Put in a... Don't be a dumb ass.

Get us a round. raise. Let's go. See what I could do. Yep. All right. You want to manage a branch? You can get your job. You're moving back. You're a great talker.

You're a great negotiator. Believe in yourself and go for it. So you golfed on Monday, correct? Was it Monday or Tuesday? Which day? It was Monday. We were at the Rocky Mountain Rotary charity golf tournament. And it was cold and you were in shorts.

It sounded like your booze consumption that maybe the weather kind of kept that to a minimum. I think I had three drinks and seven hours. That's an extremely low watermark for me. Right. It was more out of fear of hypothermia than anything. What are we thinking? Cold beverages?

No. No, no. Do you have coffee? I am going up tonight. So tonight will be the green light. And tomorrow's game day. I get back for something tomorrow on it, which means I've got to be ready to rock and roll off to the course to drive for three hours,

which means we'll be on best, best, best day. Can you golf sober? tried it. It didn't really, it wasn't my thing necessarily. I find it much like bowling, it's very difficult to. It's boring as hell. Like man,

this Boomb Box is annoying when I'm not hammering. Pinder might be the one thing. You know, because I was saying how everything's better when drunk, better when drunk. Pinder might be the exception. You might be better when sober.

Because you become a lot. when you're teetering on the verge of drunk. The volume goes up. Well, everything just kind of starts. It's this kind of starts. He's good for a while,

and then it's too far. There's a sweet spot, but it's a very short amount of time. We've got about nine minutes. About nine minutes. Let's enjoy Pinder for the next nine and then ignore. Let's play this dumb drinking game and do high kicks, and then we'll move to the next place.

Yeah. Guys that go off with those, I thought Pinder would be a little bit more, you know, be a little bit more, you know, okay, so it just took a while. Maybe you just had to get comfortable with this. Nine minutes.

Jesus Christ. So he's coming. We got 14. Don't worry, Dean. You've only got four days in Nashville with me next week. Yeah, that's right. Our draft week coverage

begins on Monday. You've got the draft program. Do you want to kind of tee up with that? it'll run on Tuesday. Yeah, so we had Byron Bader from Hockey prospecting.com come in. He's phenomenal at tracking prospects pre and post draft in terms of where they're at, what their seasons mean down the road, what types of players they're similar to over every single player that's been drafted since 1990 till today.

So it's a really interesting website that he's got. Also, we had FC Hockey's Western Scout, Joel Henderson, join us. You've got to see a bunch of these guys live in action and has been following this class of Western Canadians that were led by Connor Baderd for years here. It was a really nice blend between sort of Byron looking at the hard numbers of things and Joel being like, now here's how you'll watch this guy enter the ozone and he's really silky doing this.

I thought it was a great show. It'll drop Tuesday and the flames pick at 16 for now. Maybe they'll add another first round pick before we get to Wednesday nights round one. And we also did a little mock draft one through 16, stopping where the flames get pick number 16. All right. So that'll run on on Tuesday. And then we are going to be in Nashville,

Wednesday, Thursday. And then we'll have some sort of a recap for you on Friday as Barn Burner takes on Music City. Without retro. Have you seen what time? I won't even know what to do with myself. Friday? Have you looked at the itinerary? Yeah.

Can we stand up? That's fair. will be. 5.30 a.m. departure, Nashville. Thanks for booking that. Horrentious. Well, he's going to have to book another. That's how that goes.

Not making that one. No, we're not making that one. We should probably be proactive and do that ourselves, but we'll figure that out. 5.30? You want me at the airport at four? Yeah, I know. Hard pass. We'll figure it out.

So we're looking forward to all of that coming up. So safe travels. do us proud tomorrow pender do we good to see the boss man up there yeah the oilers fans will be very rational level headed as always yeah and are you also uh traveling are you road tripping tomorrow there warner

all right we've had the gamut run well Sunday's father's day so we were gonna leave Sunday but I think probably Monday and then Monday arrived oh I'm too hung over God we got boozy on Father's Day and then Tuesday well we got a graduation So not leave Tuesday, not leave Tuesday, not leave Wednesday, not leave Thursday.

Tomorrow's Friday, graduation's done. Are you still coming back at all? I am coming back. Yeah. Well, safe travels potentially tomorrow for you to. If you dopes aren't there, what am I coming back for? Meet you in Nashville? I should just go to Nashville.

Why wouldn't you? Come on. God, you've got days to get your ass to Nashville. You got tons of time. What's a flight? because we know we only book one way. What's a one way flight for Buffalo? It's a one way ticket to Nashville.

Maybe I should drive and we could all drive back together. Shit, yeah, let's go. Oof. That's a hard road again. Then we're not catching a whatever AM flight. We'll wheel back. Yeah. Have some fun adventures along the way.

You always want to do a bandit run with me. Yeah. Come on, retro. Let's do it. Nine minutes. How long is the drive? I thought I'm checking right now. How long is the drive?

I'm checking. Nice. Kill the F out, would you? All right. Well, I'm excited now. What does it take it so long? Do to do. See if I can get rid of flight.

Do to do. I don't need a flight. We're driving. Road again. He's driving to get down there. It's driving in seven hours. So 31. We could do it.

Everyone drives 10. Shift work. 10, 10. 10. 10. What? So sorry. Is it seven hours Buffalo to Nashville?

Is that what you said? 10 from Buffalo to Nashville. Okay. And then 31 from Nashville to Calgar. We get there on now again, because the show, Tuesday's travel day. Do you want to split that up? Maybe leave on Monday. Yeah.

Or do you want to do a seven-hour haul? I'm just thinking about you. I want you to be ready. 10 hours is nothing. We've got a couple podcasts. All right. There. Yeah.

Tuesday we get in what, Brian, about seven or eight? We are arriving Tuesday at 841 p.m. You pick us up from the airport? No. No, no, no. We'll meet you Tutsis. How's that sound? I'm not driving to Nashville and going to go to the airport.

We were picking us up. You got a car? Dude, as long as he's got a table full of Shinerbox on the third floor, Tutsis, I'm fine. All right. We'll Uber there. This is the great. You know what? Listen, I'm not even bullshit.

Let's go. road trip although I don't want to get detained at the border and you have a tendency for that to happen bring your passport would you can you fly from B-U to Calgary freaking donkey yeah remember your passport good idea

see now that's what I'm doing after the show now so what's the you know what's the path what what cities what spots are we going to stop yeah we'll have to talk about it off the air you've ever been to Des Moines you're really excited to get to Des Moines Oh, yeah, let's go. We're in a good spot.

USA Chel team. This feels, you know what? This feels like a Tommy boy type of a deal. I'm eating M&Ms getting fat in the front seat. Candy. Dora come flying off. Yeah. Whoever's driving gets the music.

It's the music. You get 10 hours each. Do what you need to. Yeah. We'll be listening to your crazy tinfoil hat podcasts. Jesus Christ. Pindra, when do you get to drive? Anything's better.

I'll do the overnight. I like to drive. tonight. You guys got bad eyes. I'll do the overnight. That's perfect. All right, buddies. That's old, betway. Let's do some betway. Peter, you got a betway for us before we. Got a betway and on our way. That's what we're doing. Baseball tonight. Mariner's Yankees. I'm going to take the

under five and a half on the total runs. No judge still, right? For the junkies? What's going on there? And Seattle, not the most potent of offense. This both teams pitched decently. Sticky fingers on the mound tonight, I think. And then we're also going to take a Huio Rodriguez over one and a half total bases. J-Rod, their superstar.

He needs a double for that to come through a couple singles. Let's go Betway, Bet the Responsible Way, 19 plus Ontario only bet the responsible way, Betway. There you go. Betway, the official betting partner for Barnburner and Flames Nation. That's going to do it for the show back tomorrow for the Friday edition. What will there be more Flames news? It was a lot today.

It was a lot today. Jerome McGinla has refused to sign his contract and is leaving the flames. Lindholm out, Eginla in. Tremendous. See you tomorrow, buddies. Have a good one. Love it.