Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Pinder & Rhett CLASH Over Mikael Backlund’s Leadership 😤 | BB Clips

Starting point is 00:00:00 If Michael Backlons not your captain, he's not on this team. No, he's in the last year of his deal. He's here. Yeah, but he got the deal and the C. If he doesn't have the C, he's probably hurt. I'm not trying to be mean. I know. I don't think Michael Backlons on your team if he's not your captain.

Starting point is 00:00:29 Okay, that's fair. And so that changes the whole scope of thing. So how do I know? We don't. And this is the challenge with captaincy because it's like, you know, we're told that that was the guy, the room wanted. That was the guy that Connie wanted. That's the guy that the coach wanted. It was nearly unanimous that that was their captain. And we're not in that room. So is that hogwash?

Starting point is 00:00:45 I don't know. But I don't know. Okay. But then I love debate. You know that. I do too. So okay. Really? Great. He was the guy this team wanted. What's the personality of this team? Well, this year or last year, same team. Because the guys, great. They chose back. And that doesn't mean he's the go through the ends of the earth to lead you to Stanley Cup stardom. No, and this team is not in Stanley Cup. Right? Like, I'll tell you who's Steve Montador, hard-ass, hard-nosed, Robert.

Starting point is 00:01:18 They are choosing him. Yeah. It's a role player. And it's not a shot. It's a, I get what you're saying. It's the guys that chose the cap. Okay. What kind of guys you got in that room?

Starting point is 00:01:31 Well, but here's the thing. It's the same group of guys that 96 points last year. So if you're willing to say this is on back and last. year. Do you not have to give him credit for last year? Like this is the same leadership group. It's probably 20 of the same 23 guys and the results are markedly different. Did he just sign a two year? Did he just sign a two year put your feet up contract? Retirement extension. Yeah. God damn right he did. And what happens when guys get that? I don't. This is going to turn into me bashing back. What the F's he done to help this team win in the playoffs?

Starting point is 00:02:02 He was their best forward against Edmonton, but that was a tough viewing. So five fucking games And we're going to give them a pass for career Been in the playoffs Pull up Michael Backlons playoff games I mean it's to me it's so idiotic that we have to even have this conversation If you're the leader of a team Your fucking team should make the playoffs

Starting point is 00:02:21 This team's not good enough to me Well So is whoever gets to see If it's someone else like are they So was Jerome McGinla's team good enough Because Jerome McGillah made a difference every game And won us playoff games Well I mean

Starting point is 00:02:35 well for the last four years it's kind of what it's kind of whatever you envision what it's an easy what it's an easy only yokinen was a captain in florida yeah that was going to work like when like so we're not so you want and need a captain but we can't have any expectation that that captain is supposed to make us better is that the interpretation no but i think to say if you're a captain of a team you should get in the playoffs like well there's 16 bad captains and like i don't really believe that bad. Like it's, it's a tough tournament to get into. This talent, this roster is a talented enough? I don't care. How many years?

Starting point is 00:03:10 How many years is Michael Backlin being here? Again, I'm bashing. Been here since you were playing. I'm just mad at him. Was it 06 he got to happen? Can you find it, Jack, if there's up there, how many games play up? Is it 42. Say that again?

Starting point is 00:03:24 In how many years? 15? Well, again, there was lots of other captains around there. It's only been the last two years. He's been the captain. So you can only play good hockey. No, no, no, I'm just saying, like, Johnny Goddrow, Sean Monaghan, Elias Lundholm, Mark Jordano, Rassas Anderson, and Noah Hannafin,

Starting point is 00:03:46 all had very underwhelming playoff performances here. They did not play up to who they were. And the farthest they've gone in the last 10 years, it was back on the Magic Panic Coleman that was the line that actually got some shit done. And they had to play against McDavid most of the night. Like, they didn't win that series. They lost, but, like, I'm not going to go hang playoff failures on the one line that was actually good in the playoffs,

Starting point is 00:04:05 years, three years. Jesus Christ, you're such an idiot on this. It's not that. It's the course of the career. It's the, if you're a really good captain and lead all the, shouldn't there be more than 42 games? Like if you're the figure, yes, he's only been captain for a couple of years. Does that give him an excuse for not having success in other years?

Starting point is 00:04:28 Well, I would just- Pushing his team to get better. So why are you captain if you're not leading your team to? He's only been captain. better results. They haven't been good enough, to be fair. Like, they just haven't had playoff rosters. And look, Jerome was a great captain.

Starting point is 00:04:41 There was a lot of years where that team wasn't playing many playoff games at the end. But there was no doubt. He was their best player. He was the best player. But he was your captain. Yeah, 100%. There was never a doubt. Correct.

Starting point is 00:04:52 And you can doubt whether Becklin's the captain or not. But I don't care who's captain here. They're not good. I actually don't care who's captain. Like, they're not good enough. If Wieger's the captain, if Anderson's the captain, like, I don't, like, I'm sorry. They're still can't score. You're probably right.

Starting point is 00:05:04 talking too much about the captaincy and it's irrelevant. Like, has he had a bad start? Yes, he has. Has Raspers had a bad start? Yes, he has. It does matter because Brian Scroodland was our captain in Florida. Guess what the expectation was? You worked your ass off and you'd go through that wall every game. There was no, and why was it that way? Because Brian Scroodland made it that way and he demanded it of everyone else. So what you just talked about was what this team looked like last year under

Starting point is 00:05:33 back one. They worked their bleeping, tails off. They laid almost no eggs all year over 82. I would call that a one off as opposed to a standard. But we only have a two-year sample to look at. You can be a leader without having the letter on you. 100%. I think that's what we saw with Weager last night. Here's

Starting point is 00:05:51 how I think things play out. We're seeing decline in guys at age 35, 36. That's incredibly normal. Everyone should see this coming. Weiger is the next captain of this club unless he says, get me the hell out of here. And at some point in the next two years, Michael Backlund said, I can't be the captain, but I'm the fourth line center,

Starting point is 00:06:07 and that's where it's going to end up. Like, that's what happened with Connie and Jerome. And, you know, that's an odd thing to have happened. And that's a different thing because Craig Conroy recognized the Jerome was the captain of the team. And he was how old, 27? Yeah. And a superstar Hall of Famer.

Starting point is 00:06:27 And so you're telling me that Backland's going to go, hey, Wigs, have the C? If it continues to go this way, I think that's where it's going to happen. It might not be his choice. Like when John Tavares gave the Ced to Austin Meth, very different caliber player, I get it, but it was just an acknowledgement that, like, this isn't my group anymore. And there isn't a young, just hang on.

Starting point is 00:06:44 There isn't a young star here that is like, that's our captain. Like, if you draft McKenna and he's 22 and four years, go ahead and put a letter on that guy for 15 years. Like, who in the world is a good NHL captain on this roster? I wait to see. See, and I'll say this, whether it's a Backland Bash or whatever, that's the big part is you talk culture when you have to well he might be the captain or could he be the captain then you don't have one then you don't have one and that's kind of what darrell said but the fellas

Starting point is 00:07:16 didn't like not having a captain and when darrell was here that year everything was a mess and there's a lot of people with blood on their hands he's one he's not the only reason but like i think this team from management to coaching to the room wanted a see on someone's jersey and so they did it. What happens when you don't have a captain that's good enough to be a captain in 25 other markets and you want a captain? Well, here you are. Yeah, it's not about the captain. It's about the fact that the team's not quite there. Really? If we're being honest, like, they're so far away right now. They're so far away. I got a caveat. Okay. Cave, right? Yeah, you're good. Yeah. I think if he was a little more

Starting point is 00:07:56 hard-nosed of a captain, the team could be a little bit more of a felino, less of a backless. Yes. Yeah, I agree with that. Because then at least you're like, he's setting a physical tone of sorts. And that's why I think Wigger, you could say could be that guy as soon as whenever, next season the year after. Because at least you know you're getting everything he has. Does he make mistakes? Yes.

Starting point is 00:08:16 Does he hate to lose? Yeah, he does. Does he go balls out all the time? He does. Does he throw his body and harms away at any cost? Yeah, he does. Is he a superstar? No, they don't have any.

Starting point is 00:08:27 Yeah. And you can't make your goalie captain. The only time we've seen it in recent history is like, it's real good. They really need to sign Luongo they gave it to him for a year. And they're like, tricked you. That's not going to work for a goalie. It never works for a goal. I love it.

Starting point is 00:08:37 The reason you can't make goalie cap is what we just saw with Wolf. How do you even do post game scrum? It's like, well, if I talk about the offense, I'm criticizing my teammates. If I just talk about me, I'm being self. Like, you can't answer that question. Now I feel bad. I think people are going to, I guarantee I'm a jerk for banking. These are conversations that everyone's having in this market.

Starting point is 00:08:55 And it's mostly, I just want to argue with him. I know. He makes it, yeah. But I think you have really good points. It's just when you're left with this roster, what in the world do you do? I'm going to say the last thing about this. Pisses me off. Those kick your feet up contracts.

Starting point is 00:09:11 I think they're bullshit. Yeah. I don't care how much it is. It's the, it's the, we signed a guy and he's building a retirement home out in Bears Power. Where are they? No. That was the Brower deal.

Starting point is 00:09:27 I'll tell it home and building a house and it didn't go well. At some point, I guess I, whatever, just stop bringing it up. That's why I don't know why the extension for Backland was necessary. I agree. If his play, if what we're seeing, I don't think it can be this bad all year, but if the decline is on to the rate

Starting point is 00:09:43 that it looks like it is, credible rate. You get to the end of the season. You've been an unbelievable flame, a career flame. Moving upstairs. Maybe you sign somewhere for another, for another year, but you'll always be a flame. We'll be happy to bring you home, all that sort of thing. It shouldn't have been front burner. But now it's, you got two more

Starting point is 00:09:59 years after this and the season. on it becomes awkward. It's going to be an awkward situation at some point. I won't fight you on that at all.

Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Pinder & Rhett CLASH Over Mikael Backlund’s Leadership 😤 | BB Clips

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