Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Prospect Talk Ft. Cami Kepke, Byron Bader & Jeff Marek | FN Barn Burner - July 10th, 2025

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

FlamesNation Barn Burner with Boomer, Pinder & WarrenerBarn Burner is your go-to daily NHL show based in Calgary, hosted by media veterans Dean "Boomer" Molberg and Ryan Pinder, alongside former NHL defenseman Rhett Warrener. With insider insight, unfiltered takes, and plenty of laughs, the crew covers everything from Calgary Flames news to league-wide stories. Trades, chirps, chaos — if it’s happening in the NHL, Barn Burner’s talking about it.SHOW TIMESTAMPS ⏰https://youtube.com/live/H5ITTE5Yp0M- Intro Banter (1:00)- Isaac Howard (9:00)- Sam Morton (12:00)- WHL Draft (14:00)- Roger McQueen (19:00)------------------------------------ Marek Joins (24:00)- Summer (25:00)- FA (27:00)- CBA (30:00)- Load Management (35:000- Andersson (42:00)- Marek Out (52:00)------------------------------------ Byron (55:00)- Flames Draft (57:00)- Seattle (01:03:00)- Flames Top Prospects (01:04:00)- Flames Path Forward (01:07:00)------------------------------------ Pinder Report (01:14:00)- BET365 (01:31:00)Subscribe to @Flames_Nation on Youtube🚨➡️ / @flames_nation🔥 After Burner➡️ • FlamesNation Afterburner📲 Follow us:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fnbarnburner/X (Twitter): https://x.com/barnburnerfn?lang=en🎧 Listen on:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/be/podcast/barn-burner-boomer-pinder-with-rhett-warrener/id1648562889Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mc6Qd5U22R2zbMlQ7RxIiBARN BURNER BLONDE https://originbrewing.myshopify.comFLAMESNATION MERCHhttps://nationgear.ca/collections/flamesnationBARN BURNER SHORTShttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj_bcGtvvo-cW2DHEDZ6dEO5ePDmlhZc9SHOUTOUT TO OUR SPONSORS!!👍🏼 Powered by @bet365. Whatever the moment, it’s Never Ordinary at bet365. Download the App today and use promo code:NATION. http://www.bet365.ca/👍🏼 McLEOD LAW https://www.mcleod-law.com/👍🏼 VILLAGE HONDA https://www.villagehonda.com/👍🏼 OUTDOOR DENTAL https://www.outdoor.dental/👍🏼 ORIGIN BREWING https://originbrewing.ca👍🏼 Crystal Waters Plumbing Company https://crystalclearcalgary.com/👍🏼 BON TON MEATS: https://www.bontonmeatmarket.com/index.html👍🏼GRETA YYC: https://www.gretabar.com/locations/calgary#games👍🏼Calgary Stampeders: https://www.stampeders.com/Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!Producer: Jack Haverstock Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Well, well, well, it is a stampede edition of Barnburner and look at our stampede queen herself. Cammy Kepke in studio. Howdy. Producer Jack, he's here as well. We're tired, I hear. We'll get to it. I'm Ryan. There is no boomer.

There is no RET. They are both in the rectangular province, I'm told today. Out of commission. I think they're in commission. Rets in a great spot. He's probably near a body of water. Dean's now a groupie for a country band or something. It's really weird.

We'll find out more next week. We need boomers version of Taken. We will get boomers version of some sort of wild road trip. I don't know. Next week when he returns. We've got a great show ahead for you. Jeff Merrick from the sheet's going to join us. The players and owners have a new CBA.

Byron Bader of Hockey Prospecting.com will stop by as he does every once and a while. He actually was with the In the Dome Boys, those cursing pirates, It's those beautiful gentleman, those oiler haters that we know and love. And he also has done his organizational rankings for all 32 NHL teams. So we will see how the flame stack up. What do you think is to the draft class? And yeah, we had to trade in the NHL a couple days ago, so we got things to do. But before we do that, we're going to tell you this program's presentation, a bet three, six, five.

Jack, I hope you've been hitting these Blue Jays during this big run. Finally lost a game, 10 and 1 in their last 11 off today. whatever it is never ordinary with bet three six five if you're watching again i know how to spice it up tons to get to on the program if you want to get involved super chats are the way to do it at a monetary amount to your comment and we will get it on the program take that money and rather than spend it on beers at stampede tents we will give it to the use centers of calgary which cammy is a much better place for that money well spent much better spent than uh tint beers how are we we doing? Are we surviving stampede? I know that I have a reputation and I as a grown

ass man have survived many stampedes and understand the trials and tribulations of a 10-day marathon, but I need to check in with everyone else. Cammy? I mean, it hits harder as you get older. I think I left my knees back in Wild Horse. I'm a terrible dancer, but I'm quite small. So But I'm small. So, like, people, friends who want to, like, who can two-step always want a two-step. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. So, like, my friend from Saskatchewan, excellent two-step, or he was like, do you want to dance?

And I'm not, I've got minus five rhythm, man. But immediately it's like the flips. And those are some hard landings and the boots. And the next time, like, my knees are killing me. Good to hear. Jack, Stampede Update. We were out for sneak-a-peak night, Cammy. Jack, myself and a few others were we got the red carpet rolled out at the stamps.

game sideline passes Brett Michaels. That was the tease for Stampede. So since then. And then they rolled you back up in the carpet to take you out of the facilities. Yeah, we, we did okay. Have any of the cheerleaders texted you back? No.

Okay, shoot. That's not happening. What's the rest of the Stampede story, Jack? Yeah, I did the sneak of peek and I haven't been back. I haven't really left my house. He didn't like what he peaked at. I haven't been. I might make it down this weekend.

I think Jack, like there's all these great festivals in the summer and in our part of the world we don't get a lot of nice weather. So whether it's like, oh, this is, you know, this is the jazz. This is the comedy. And then this is, oh, Stampede, Western Heritage and, you know, Klondike days, whatever they do up in Munsonville. Like, there's lots of summer festivals. It's very unusual that Jack is running his July film festival during Stampede at his house.

He's literally staying in for the best 10 days. in Calgary to watch movies. Yes, I am. God, they're good movies. What have you been plowing through? Last night I watched Heat, which he talked about a couple weeks ago. You got to watch this. So I did last night.

Have you seen it or not? I've listened to a podcast about the making of it. That's the thing I do. I don't watch a lot of movies, but I listen to how movies are made. That's such a camey answer. My God. Yeah, ask me about the Godfather.

I haven't seen it. No, a lot about it. Yeah. It's an epic. It was so good. And there's the one scene. I don't know. about spoiler loads or whatever, but like it's,

it feels like it's 45 minutes of gunfight. It's unbelievable. Yeah, outside the bank. Yeah. Yeah. Wild. So anyway. Yeah. So I finished that. I started Scarface. I didn't finish. I fell asleep, but that'll be tonight. Okay. I don't move to the next.

And he's going to be aggressively Italian by the end of the summer. No regrets. No regrets. You don't miss, you know, big social. I've been to stampede 100,000 million times. Is that right? the last eight years since I've graduated high school. I do not miss being in those tents. Yeah, you know what? I think what was it? Wednesday was the scorcher.

That would have been a tough day for, the major would have been around as boom would tell you. Major swass. Major swass. I was in line last night to get in to go to the surge game when it was raining and I got inside and I saw some people I knew and I gave them a hug and I think they thought I was sweaty. But I'm like, it rained.

They're like, you're really damp. Yeah, I'm just very excited to see it. Wow, just sweating profusely. I'm nervous. Yeah, surgery in action at the dome last night. You were there. How did that go? Oh, it was unbelievable.

I think they had like 7,000 people there. The marching band was there. The Stampede marching man is awesome. I get so fired up for a marching band. And they were like perfect. They went from like Wonderwall to Paramore to My Chemical Romance. And they wrapped it up with Pink Pony Club. And they did the smart thing where they played to both sides.

They did like a couple songs facing one side, flipped around to the other. So everybody gets the show. Yeah. And those kids can like hip thrust a lot. They're moving. They're swinging around the instruments. They're, they get some check.

I saw them at the Banff Canada Day parade. And then again, they were at Stampede Bowl Jack. We saw them. The teams came out to the Stampede Marching Band, which is awesome. Shout out the Stampede Marching Band. Awesome.

Appreciate your work. The other bit of sports, Surge were last, and by the way, they won. A crazy comeback. They were getting smoked. They got outscored like 36, 16 in the second quarter. It looked like it was going to be

ugly. And they had like kind of collapsed against Edmonton their last game out. And then Evan Gileard like casually set a franchise record for points. What's that? Roared back. 37 plus. 37 points. 37 points in a single game. And it was a laffer at the end. They just stomped them. Oh, I think it was like 107.91 at the end of the night. So now. 107. That's a huge number for the short clocks. Like that's, you don't see that often. Oh, with the target time too. And they closed that. bad boy out quick. Love it. So congrats to the surge.

We've got it done at the dome on Stampede grounds during the Stampede. Exciting development for them. Calvary FC was in action two nights ago. I was down there shooting some content for an upcoming little thing we're working on. Cabs fell in penalty kicks to Vancouver FC. That is a Canadian championship match.

They're not out of the tournament. That's another one. Against the worst team in the league. Lost 5'4 on kicks. We're down on nothing. scored it up in the second half. That one stings a little, because I think when you're at one end of the standings or the other, oh, we're just going to move past here and then maybe the white caps, maybe this team. Oh, shoot.

Did they get trapped games? I don't know. I thought Vancouver was, you know, full value, but I don't know. They left a lot of their best guys on the bench for the second half and then they had to use them in the second half because they were down one month. We'll see. Okay. Hockey News. We had a trade a couple days ago, Isaac Howard and Sam O'Reilly swapped for each other.

This is an interesting transaction because I believe Sam O'Reilly would be considered the top prospect in the O'Ler system. He was selected very late in Vegas as the Oilers traded this summer's first rounder to select him in a year they didn't have their first rounder, which was odd because I sort of thought you'd, you know, window to win and you used those first to get players that can play now. And that's eventually what they turned him into, which is Isaac Howard, the Hobie Baker winner for the top collegiate hockey player. Tampa has, he's been their top prospect for a while. And I know we started talking about him when Noah Haniffin said,

I'd prefer to be in Tampa Bay. And you're like, okay, well, if Noah Hanifan's going to go to Tampa, which didn't happen. What do they have in the system? What can you get back in a trade? Then it'll have many first. Who's the best players? And they're like, oh, Isaac Howard. Okay, Michigan State, good player. Three years in,

torch the NCAA last year. He'll step in with the Oilers and get a real shot to play in the top nine out of the gate. 26 goals and 37 games. That's nuts. 52 points. Now, he's not young. Like he's 21, which is, I mean, he's not old, but when you, in the world of prospects, that's, you know, those numbers are impressive, but you kind of want to know what you got by then. Yeah, like if someone had posted the list of Hobie Baker winners at the same age and it's like, they're guys, but there's no stars in there. No, that doesn't mean he won't be one. It also doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be, guaranteed to be

good NHeller. We'll see. He might need some HL seasoning. Don't know. But O'Reilly goes to Tampa, who are having contractual breakdowns with Howard. Howard goes to Edmonton and there'll just pick up another dude that we don't know a ton about

that maybe he'll get to play next to dry sidle. Can you imagine? Like just getting your ELC done, it's like, hmm, is he going to play with McDavid or dry sidel? Yeah, it'd be fun. I'd be all right. I think Isaac's doing okay on that front. And the other thing was he could have suited up Oh, is it Kucherov or is it going to be, you know,

a spoil of riches. Yeah, seriously. These are our opening statements. We do that for our great pals at McLeod Law. Cammy, guess what was yesterday? It was the McLeod Law Stampede Party. Down on Stephen Avenue. Lawyers were getting loose.

It was good times. Jack, we missed you. The Wolverine and I were there. Lots of great partners of McLeod Law. Other local Calgary businesses that use McLeod Law and a lot of the great staff there, good to say hello and tip the proverbial Stetson. Did they invite you because they knew that you will need representation eventually? I just thought like there couldn't be a safer stampede for me than literally lawyers that we have a

strong relationship with. No matter what stupid decisions I make, they will advise me either against it or, you know, fight for my rights and such, which, uh, although, might be a conflict now because they, they do not lack mens rea because they have knowledge of your wrongdoings now. There was no wrongdoings. It was a great party. So big thank you to McLeod Law.

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the whole gang. Great to see them. And you don't need a lawyer until you need a lawyer, but then you need McLeodlaw. Cloud-dashlaw.com at McLeodlaw, LLP on the socials. What else is happening? Hockey-wise. I don't know if you want more on the O'Reilly Howard deal. Like, it's a deal.

It's prospect for prospect. It's not a Flames thing. Flames did sign Sam Morton yesterday, who is, I think, a really nice HLer that might get a sniff at the NHL level if they run some injuries. It kind of feels like a Justin Kirklandy type. Like if the cookie crumbles the right way, and there's an opening, fourth-line center. Very well could be like a feel-good story that people want to cheer for. might not necessarily be a top six guy did get to make his NHL debut right at the end of last season, scored in that debut.

He did, L.A., along with old Zane back in April. Zane, Suniav, he, and Brestevich all made initial debuts in that meaning less game 82 where they look great. I know you had mentioned earlier today there's a lot of excitement around Zane for next year.

You were noticing, what, notice some fantasy stuff? Oh, man, no. He's ranked very high in fantasy. People expecting big things outside of Calgary. Huge things. No, So the NHL.com dropped their fantasy hockey top 200 rankings. Perreck is already ranked higher than Hubertow. Yeah, and positionally different, but there's great expectations for this young defensemen to do some.

So they got in there at 185th. They've got Hubertow at 194th. They've got like, Perrex ahead of like, what do we got here? Anders Lee, Brock Besser, Lundell, Debrusk, Line. Like they got them up there. They got him up ahead of Zegras. Obviously, like, positions are all over the place. But that's, hey.

Yeah. that's one of the highest ranked rookies in this list. We are going to be joined by Jeff Merrick, the sheet, coming up in about 10 minutes time. We have Byron Bader as well from Hockey Prospecting.com, and we can wait into the correct conversation with him. What was the draft like? For those that don't know, Cammy works for the Western Hockey League.

It was a great year for the Western Hockey League of the draft, I would assume with the number of high picks you had. And it was funny, you were commenting off air. Everyone's like, man, this is draft in L.A. like it's too slow and you'd had like nine picks in a row from the west like slow down this kid's 's going too quick i've got to do all this stuff the draft is the most chaotic thing behind the scene so i was on the ground in the sphere last year and i was like running camera and doing all of our interviews with the players who got picked and once the top 10 went it was like lynnstrom went again low went

yakopcchk's going caton's going and they're going one after another and back uh in the bowels of the fear, they have these little podium set up. There's about five podiums and there'll just be a screen that says which player is going where. And at one point, like we're talking to Lindstrom and I tell my boss, like, go save a spot by Aginla, just save a spot. Do not move because everyone is swarming. So that was last year. And I thought that was insane. This year was so much worse. Our social media guy had a wedding that he was at. So like, okay, you're going to stay behind. You're going to run like the Twitter, the Instagram, Facebook, link all the highlight reels and stuff like that. And I'm not a very fast. Twitter.

Okay. So like just once you're doing all those things, you have one guy after another, after another, we had a run of like six guys in a row. And on the broadcast, they're like, this is the slowest thing in the world. And I'm like in tears. So, are you at the WHL office doing all this? Like, as the draft is happening or are you just on a computer somewhere? No, I was at home with my computer.

And so at that point, and a giant whiteboard where I was like keeping track of what was done and who went where. Okay. I'm trying to remember the top of the draft. this was. This is the Stampede my hangover morning. I'm not sure if I can remember exactly how it went. So when you're working at the Western League office, a kid

gets picked, let's say it's Reschney. You at the league, then do what? Like the teams, obviously, you want to like throw some highlights to them or what is it? Yeah, we've already got like the highlights kind of locked and loaded. So what we'll do is like, we'll build the graphic, like what team they were playing for. So like Victoria, the team that selected them where

they're picked. So once you get the graphic done, it's just like pushing it out on all the different social media platforms and then trying to get back fast enough to relink their highlight reels, draft profiles where we kind of like tell the story of how they got there. Like with Rushing, like a little bit of background about like, you know, being that goat farmer from Macklin, Saskatchewan. Also, they have a really weird game there that they play with horse bones. I think it's called bones.

Horse bones. Yeah. Someone should ask him about that. I think you're the person for it, Cammy. No one else knows about bones is. See it. See it. Camp Cole.

We'll be, we've got questions. So tell me about Roshney because, I mean, it's funny this when we came into this 24, 25 season, you know, like, oh, geez, it's like, it better be a top 10 pick. Otherwise, you're giving it to Montreal. And, boy, you can get a really good player. And, you know, we didn't like over under at bet three, six five was like 81 and a half points, 80 and a half, like 96, tiebreaker away from being a playoff team. You don't give a good pick to Montreal in the sense that it's 16.

And New Jersey ended up not being nearly as good as we thought you pick at 18. it wasn't like franchise altering star top five there's your superstar for the next 15 years but a very well regarded player and a guy that was a lot higher than 18 on a lot of less extremely and there have been a lot of comparisons tossed out there and one that I'm surprised that we don't see more of that his coach of Victoria James Patrick pulled out once was like Ryan O'Reilly he might not be the most elite in any one category but when you put it all together that's a game changer who can do anything and just wants to win so bad. So even if it wasn't the most highly ranked, he can be absolutely clutch. Like, he had a great

season for Victoria, but he also got invited to the CHL USA Prospects challenge, scores the game winning goal with like two minutes left in the second game. And he pisses people off on the ice. And you need that. And you can see that even when it got to playoffs, he's hit this whole other level. They ran into some pretty insane teams that could, you know, outscore. I don't think anyone was going to outscore Spokane until you got to the finals. But he was absolutely. insane in the WHL playoffs. And then he's like, 25 points in 11 games for the Royals.

Like that's a heater when it mattered the most. And that does sort of fit into that Ryan O'Reilly one. He's not as big, but he's also not small. He doesn't play small. Like he's good size, but not. I feel like O'Reilly's a little bulkier. But I do like the stylistic comp is checks out with a lot of what I heard.

Completely. Like 510, 187. Yeah, like he'll grow a little more. But he doesn't look that small. Yeah. He's on the ice. It's not like, oh my God. There goes.

was Nathan Gerby. That is totally like not the case with him. But then like even you think about going from something as mentally taxing as playoffs. Yeah. And then immediately to jump into U-18s and, you know, be scoring overtime winners,

setting up those big goals and being named one of Canada's top three players at the tournament. I think like the stock is just going to rise. Yeah. It's an exciting get. We'll learn more about the draft class later in the program. Tell me more about Roger McQueen because this was the guy that I've been dreaming on a while. I happen to know one of the family members.

So I've heard about this kid since he was like 14. And the back injury was well documented throughout the year. And there was this notion that if he was healthy and did not lose the amount of time he has over the last year and a half to develop and play and get stronger, this very well may be like a top three, a top five pick talent wise. He's huge. He's six five. He's a right shot. There's some highlights of him at Ducks camp going viral, walking a defenseman and they're going tween her shelf on a goalie. Like this is a special talent.

and apparently the back's in great shape. And now it's about, okay, now that the back's good, now we can start to add mass and muscle and get back to playing. It's crazy when you look at the potential there, like what that season could have been. Like he had four goals on opening night. Yeah. And you go back and watch the highlights.

It's not like he scores the same way every time. He really knows how to get to the right spots. So like, all right, we're going to lay out just like an absolute clapper here. I'm just going to like squeeze in here for redirect. Somehow someone's going to miss this six foot five monster. And he's at the back door for a tap. And like he can kind of do it all. And I hear he's like just like a great team guy.

So like when he was recovering from the injury this year like, like, yeah, he went back to Saskatoon a little bit. But he actually chose to like kind of stick around in Brandon just to be around the team. And during exit meetings, a lot of the younger guys, especially guys who that you'll be hearing about coming up to some drafts ahead like Jackson Jacobs. And these guys are mentioning in their exit interviews that Roger McQueen did a lot to make me feel comfortable here.

And he was like a huge leader, even if he wasn't able to play. every night. Yeah. And he wasn't 100% coming back from playoffs, but he feels like he's 100% now when you look at the highlights from Ducks Camp. And he's got a huge personality. So that's just fun.

McQueen thinks hilarious too, because of course it's Anaheim. And of course, the immediately chopper him into Disneyland, Lightning McQueen, okay, like, Cachow, baby.

But apparently they rolled out the red carpet for the McQueen's. I had a great time there. And that was, if I'm looking, that's the top, first Western Leagueer off the board. Uh, Radee Merko was.

Oh, right before I'm at 9 to Buffalo. Yeah. Then McQueen. Then Kindle. Yeah, I can see the run you're talking about. Stressful. But also, like, Kendall signed his ELC yesterday. So, man, Hitman, get down to the cell zone next year to see Ben, Kendall playing with the Calgary Hitman.

Yes. He, uh, he was a guy that I saw on a lot of mocks between like 20 and 35. And I just kept hearing teams like, he's not going to get there. Like people like him too much. He's too high end. People like Bader, who his model. really rewards just production. It's just he,

and of course he goes rated 11 to Jack's penguins. Jack, you got to be fired up about a guy. I am very fired up. The penguins had an interesting draft. They did. What else in the first round? What else can you tell us? I don't know. I think it's Sean Horcopf's son. He was one of the other picks.

William, yeah, the forward. And I forget who the other one was. And then Bill Zonan, who we joked about on the other prospector, I believe a center from Quebec. Oh man, you want to talk about a monster? They took Peyton Kettles out of, of swift current six foot six. Oh, 17.

Big old Winnipeg. What round is that? I want to look at this monster. That was the second round. Okay. Crazy. Are you full in on the penguins being like the worst team in the league and drafting McKenna next to you, Jack?

Yes, 100%. Can you lay out your conspiracy theory to Cammy? Because it's pretty good. I want to hear it. He went to Penn State because he knows he's staying in Pennsylvania. It's just, it's locked. He's just on the way to Pittsburgh, apparently. Yep.

Well, and so the history, of course, is like, Well, the penguins are very bad. They get Margoe Lemieux. Well, I've got to move the team, can't get a rank. Well, then they get Sidney Crosby. And now, like, the Penguins are bad again. So, of course, they're going to get McKenna, 21 years apart each one. Lemieux, 21 years later.

Crosby, 21 years later. A young man who is also dazzled fans in beautiful Ramuski, Quebec. Yes. Okay. Merrick's going to join us. Just give me the wave. I don't have the monitor. Yeah, I think Jeff is good to go.

Oh, right on. Okay, amazing. Oh, one more for Jack, though. You're going to have Ben Kendall on a line with Tanner How. Oh, okay. Beautiful. Yeah, Kendall's, that's, he put up some pretty crazy numbers for his draft. Honestly, like, I was surprised it, I think it was his eyes that had him like so low on some mock drafts because I obviously like probably see the hit him more than any other team. But he is so creative.

Yeah. Like can play center or wing, but they like him so much more at center and like he's going to hit 100 points this year. Crazy. Let's get to our guest hotline. We do that for our great pals at Crystal Waters. Hey, look, it's hot. It's summer. It's Stampede.

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It's Crystal Waters, plumbing, and healing. The hotline we go, the host of the sheet. Jeff Merck joins us. Can I hop in on some of that talk about Benjamin Kindle? Yes, please do. A good news story for the Western Hockey League right now. Yep. Michigan thought they were going to get him.

Oh, really? If he wasn't going to sign with the Pittsburgh Penguins, Brandon Nerato, Michigan, the Wolverines were all over. Benjamin Kindle. Now we all have our eyes on Porter Martone. Whether the Philadelphia Flyers sign him or whether he ends up going to school, Michigan State just lost Isaac Howard, could there be a Porter Martone replacement? A whole bunch of new wrinkles.

A whole bunch of new wrinkles in this dynamic now. Entirely new year. Calgary got him. Calgary got him back. That's right. He's also extremely smart. He's sharp cook. Oh, no.

Calgary was like the scholastic team of the year for us. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Now I'm an old buddy of Paul McFarland. I've known Farley for forever back when he was coaching with Oshawa. We work out of the same gym together. His younger brother, Johnny and I are our buddies.

He helped train my kids. but did you test him academically as well? We should have. I'm going to ask for his transcript next. He's actually a smart guy. He's actually, he used his education package. I should point that out.

He said he's pretty well traveled. He was on a Toronto bench and like a very up and coming. Yeah. Coaching. And now like I feel like this is a, if you're a big, strong Canadian hockey league brand like the Calgary Hitman, like this is a good spot to incubate, have some success. who knows where he knows next, but he's, he was one of those young coaches.

Like, he's going to get a gig soon. And I think that's still the case, but they got him locked down for the hitman right now, which is good. Yeah, and they're doing a lot of good recruiting in the States too. Even like Aiden Park, like the kid who. Yeah. Just came from the USA channel. Had a cup of coffee there in the playoffs in Calgary.

Jeff, how's the summer been? Obviously, this is the maiden voyage for the sheet, but now we're into July. And you got free agency's chaos and the draft is a ton. But now we're into the, we really got a. talk about Isaac Howard season. She, we really, we really must, and he'd like to be referred to as Ike, thank you very much. Oh, really?

Yeah, that's, as we understand it, he'd like to be referred to as Ike Howard, but nonetheless, he wants to be called Ike district. It's not the, just Ike districts. The Ike district is what they call outside the outside the arena there now. You know what I'm, you don't know what I love about this and I'm, I'm being legitimate about it.

I always hated not being able to do something in the summer because I would always have to scram, right? Okay, everyone takes a summer off, everybody goes. Back when I used to do local radio in Toronto, I used to keep my hockey show going all summer. Like the idea of stopping, like, we're all Canadians. We all talk about hockey 24-7 every week, every year. It never really stops. And so I'm going to keep it hot for, I think, two or three times a week in July, maybe trail it down to two, maybe one the odd week, depending on the nature of the news in August. But I'm keeping the feet hot, baby. I'm keeping

You're feet hot. What interested you about or intrigued you about the draft end or free agency? I feel like when we looked back a year ago, we're like, wow, Crosby Free Agent, Ranting and Free Agent, dry saddle free agent. Look at all these. This is going to be unbelievable. Wow. And then it's like, no, really the biggest guy was Nikolai Ulyers, who's a good player.

But it was. Yeah. This one, I mean, we always do this right. Now we're going to spend a year wondering about McDavid and Caprizo and Jack Eichol. Okay. So we got Connor McDavid. David's going to go to the New York Rangers and Jack Eichael's going back. He's going to Boston.

He's going home baby. Caprizo, all the Russians end up in New York. He's going to be a ranger and oh, my God. Like, that's just all calm down. Free agency was, I don't know, mid. Yeah, it was mid. I mean, Marna got traded to the Vegas Golden Knights. That was a big name off the board.

Nikolai Eilers took a little bit longer than we thought. It came down to two teams. It was, it very much fell. like, you know, he wanted seven years. And the two teams that it came down to, Washington and Carolina, it sounds like Washington was only prepared to go five. And because Carolina went six, that he ended up going to the Carolina hurricanes.

But really, there was nothing, there's been nothing sort of by way of major excitement so far. And I'll tell you, and I know I can hear people's eyes glaving, glazing over when I say CBA. But to me, the big story is how much of a non-story the CBA is. Yeah. It's an entire little universe with the players representation now.

Completely true. You know, I mean, I remember the war of, I was doing a daily show in 0405 covering that lockout. Everything you always wanted to know about retirement pensions. And I would play an amateur actuary on television in 2012. Oh, killing me. and through that one as well. Like I know anything about pensions. Well, I always felt for the beat reporters.

All my years is an actuary. What's that? I always felt with the beat reporters. They're like literally standing outside of tower in New York for like six hours. And then like nothing's happening. I remember all day, just standing. We did it live at Sportsnet. I remember being on.

It was, oh God, it was a Saturday morning. And my shift started at 6 a.m. And they had spoken all through the night. And I was the only one on the panel. I think Doug McLean had got home. Brad May had gone home and it was just me on the panel.

I don't know. Like the only people that I'm broadcasting to at that point are people that have fallen asleep with the TV on. Like no one's actually watching at this point. And we have like one bit of B-roll that's like 30 seconds of Bill Daly crossing the street in Manhattan that we just have on a loop. Oh, look at him. Sorry, that reminds me of covering court.

That one one walking B-roll shot. And my producer keeps hitting the key. and all he keeps saying is keep talking. Yep. Keep talking. The worst word in broadcasting, Phil. Phil. Phil, yeah, Phil.

And then he's like, all right, well, let's get out to tell us straight. Let's get how we meet her in here. Look at this. He sees the curb cubbing and really nice hip-clector activation. He gets the leg up and it's a smooth transition into the taxi. But you know, like if that happened now, you would have like all of the armchair, body language experts on TikTok. Like this is what we know, judging by how Bill Daly. Well, hang on.

It looks like his briefcase is a little more full than when he first went and talked to the Players Association. Does that mean we're close to having a deal? Is he taking this back to his negotiating? Is that a memorandum of understanding in there? Is that what that is, Jeff? What are the big takeaways from the CBA? Because you're right, it used to be war and it used to be incredibly painful. And hockey fans, rightfully, have been very angry at the league for costing them a season and a half over the last quarter century.

And rightfully so. But it's very different now with. with the PA head and Gary feeling more like partners than meeting in the trenches to like fight to the death. I'll tell you what, that loss of a season and the loss of a half season back in 2012 too, I think sent a major fear into the players association because I don't see wins here for the players.

I really don't. Like you're going to have to like really point out where the win. There are wins for the owners that I see disguised as wins for the players, i.e. They're going to the Olympics. We're looking at that and we're saying, oh, look at that win for the players because they want to go. Okay, sure the players want to do it. You don't think the NHL wants to put their logo next to the Olympics?

You don't think they want their athletes? Like, I think the Olympic, the Olympic thing has been totally misrepresented here. And the NHL has positioned this brilliantly as something the players want. the owners will will give to them grudgingly, you don't think they want their logo next to the IOC and the five rings? Like, what are we talking about here? Like, yeah, yeah, you get to take part. Yeah, it's true. Players want it and you're literally talking about less than 100 players. Yeah. Like, I, I don't know. And the other thing that I keep coming, keep coming back to here on this one is one, there's, there's obviously, again, for me, tiny little wins for the players,

a little bit more playoff revenue. And, and really, I, I would, side of that. I'm not seeing any wins. And this is all needs to be looked under the umbrella of expansion. Yeah. So there's going to be minimum two more teams at two billion dollars a crack. Okay, so we're talking about four billion dollars out there. And the players will see exactly none of it. And here's, and even if they weren't going to, and even if right away the owner's

owner said, no, it's a high, a hill that we're going to die. that we're going to die on. I would understand that. And if I'm the NHL, I don't want to give up a nickel of that either. And I would say the same things. Or we're giving you new jobs.

New expansion teams, that means new jobs. But the same time, there's 4B sitting there and you're not going to fight for it. To me, one of the big stories is why is the deal done now this early in July?

Where are the pressure points? There is no pressure point to do a deal right now. If you're the Players Association and you see $4 billion potentially sitting there, why not drag this thing out? you have no reason because now with a signed document called the CBA,

Gary Batman can take that to whomever in Atlanta or in Houston and say, it's $2 billion because we have labor peace. The EPA just surrendered that. Just handed it right over without a fight. I mean, this negotiation went from like April until last week. This one was quick because it didn't look like there were going to be fights over anything. Again, it's wonderful for fans. Let me position this properly.

This is great for fans. I just don't know that if I am the players association, I want to put this one on a resume because I don't know where the wins are here. I really don't. How do you feel about 84 games? I think the quality of hockey would be better if they shrunk but didn't expand the schedule.

But leagues don't do that because home games are revenue. NFL is adding, like everyone's adding games. So I understand why they want it. It can be positioned as, you know, it's good for both sides because it's more hockey related revenue. So from that point of view, I mean, listen, the minute they signed off on linkage, the minute they signed off on salary linkage in the CBA negotiation, however many years ago that was, the idea of shrinking the schedule went out the door because that takes money out of the players' pockets

and owners aren't going to go for either. So as much as I may bark and moan about 72 games or 76 games, I know it's never going to happen. I'm with you, though. I think one of the things that we're going to see now, because now we're also getting a robust international schedule, Olympics World Cup, et cetera, you're demanding a lot from your top players. We're seeing this in soccer.

The schedule becomes way too busy. And these contrived tournaments or the ones that we really care about and the ones are all in the middle and then, oh, they're probably going to expand the playoffs. Now it's 84 games. Oh, it's an Olympic year. And we're holding this camp here. It's like, oh, they are really,

it's like a player in their draft year with the world juniors and the UAT. Like it's like it's like a grotsky. Yeah. Yeah. So okay. Okay. I want to see both of your reactions. Can we both get one shots right to camera?

Right to camera. Both of you. Cammy, let's go right to camera. Where'd you go? Pender. Pender right to camera. When I say, when I say this term, I want to see your reaction. Okay.

Load management is there it is. I'm sorry. It's so expensive. Can you imagine like if you don't live in a city. Like if you. live in Regina. It's like, I'm going to drive to Calgary. Yeah, so my one trip to drop like 200 bucks per person on a ticket, family of four.

That's probably like an okay seat. Yeah. And then like, oh, to watch the back us, but. It's cringy. I understand the sports science. Another couple of games plus World Cup plus Olympic. We're already seeing it a bit, but not to the level of what we see in the NBA, where it's just scheduled off days.

Now it's like if you're dinged up, we'll give you some time. And, you know, Florida and Empton didn't care whether they were going to win the division or be three seeds or wild cards or home ice and two seats. Like, we're just getting in and then we want everyone to be ready.

Like, do what we need to do to make sure everyone's ready on April 19. That's in the playoffs start. So that there's load management in that sense, but not the like, hey, Kauai, every third game you're out. Like that, and to Cammy's point, it just sucks so much.

It's totally sucks. And you're spending huge, money to go to these events. It's like, oh, yeah, Sidney Crosby's out tonight, maintenance. Yeah. I'm going to start doing that if I can't go to work. I'm like, I'm not sick anymore. I'm load management. We're load managing this summer. We're in two shows a week, Jeff. That's us. I hear you. So I just put it out into our

nation network universe. I think it'll be folly to think that it's not coming. Like, 82 games is hard. You look at what these guys look like by a time to playoff start. Like, it is hard. It's a tough season. And then you go, like the Florida Panthers have gone deep three years. years in a row and won it twice. You can imagine what they're feeling like. There be guys starting on LTIR after having surgery, et cetera. Like, this is going to be the new reality.

And this is what happens when you stretch out your season. I've always said, guys, like, if I could change one thing in the NHL, like if I could suggest one thing to Gary Bettman every single year, it's the same thing. Get your game out of June. Yeah. Get your game out of June. Let that be for the draft and free agency and awards and all those things. Start September, sure.

Don't compete with patios. When you have the truncated preseason, what does that do for bubble players or the young guys who are trying to make teams having less of a... They already have the rookie camps. I don't buy that. I mean, I understand the thought, but I'm just like, no, there's too much too many.

Aren't teams, though, really made up? What's the last day of arbitration, guys? August 15th. At the last day of our, like, by the time our... By the time, arbitration's done, teams are made up. There's maybe one spot. A couple of roster spots.

Yeah. Who's going to be our fourth line center? Oh, who's, there's seven, eight defensemen. One guy goes to the A. Oh, there might be a battle for a backup. Is it Presvettov or is it Kooley and Cal? It's the fringes of the roster. Right.

That's what we're, that's what we're talking about. Fraser Minchin a couple years ago with Toronto. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. So like there's not, as far as like me, teams always say the right thing. Oh, no one's guaranteed. No, the CBA and the contracts.

There's some one way deal. It's funny. I was talking, talking to Anton Fun. yesterday he's a retired agent. He's a veteran of the CBA wars. And he's looking at how, you know, this, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, system now for players has become even more restricted by way of, you know, bonuses and, et cetera and how much you can have in bonuses and how they can be structured and everything.

He said, what you're getting to is like, contracts are going to be done by chat GPT. Do you need, like, do we really need agents anymore? Well, honestly, like, you look at some of the, some of the hockey projections on contracts, like, They're all bang on. Like I think it's evolving hockey does it. And the guys out of Minnesota, if I'm correct. And they have a spreadsheet every year. And they're like, just by plugging in data, here's what we guess the contract will be for said player.

And seven, eight times out of ten, it's bang on. Like it's, you're literally saying, okay, we think the team's going to ask for 3.5. We're going to ask for four and a quarter. We'll settle at 3.8. Like, it's just, okay, we do the charade and meet in the middle. Yeah, it's done. Like, yeah. And to your point, you can only do bonuses if you're,

you're over 35 or entry level. And, yeah, structure is getting even more restrictive to and teams owning players' rights for four years and don't have to sign them to a contract. Like, again, like, I'll come back to the point that I made at the beginning of our conversation. Where are the wins for the players here? Yeah.

They're going to change term length, max term length. I don't know if you view that as a win for the owners again or owners because from the owner's perspective, it's like, okay, you're not going to get yourself into these. gross, you know, wish we could buy this out. This nightmare won't go away, bad contracts. But the thing that the players have done that I think is pretty silly is they've all been very keen to max out term.

And then by the time their deals up, what might have been a high percentage of the cap isn't anymore. And so maybe forcing them back into the market more often could be a win for the players. I guess if you look at it, you could look at it that way very much. Hockey players generally want security. That is changing. I should say that. The caveat is it is Matthews is.

is the one. So I mean, Colin McDavid is also represented by Judd Maldavre Wasserman, as same as Austin Matthews. If he follow the same model, we all suspect that he will. I'll tell you,

the one thing that I, and again, I've been banging on this drum for a while, and I know it's not going to go anywhere. But as much as we sort of, you know, bemoan the idea of, you know, players and all the no trade clauses that are out there and no move clauses

that are out there and how tough it is, come trade deadline time to move players, how difficult it is to be able to make your team better. We know with the cap, of course, is money and money out on a lot of these deals. One of the things that I've always believed is that, and I know that it probably goes nowhere because we're talking about money outside the system. But one of the things that I've always believed is when you ask a player to waive his no trade clause, what you're proposing is this.

Give me something in exchange for nothing. Right. That's not business. That's charity. that's do me a solid so I can get what I want. What you get is the inconvenience of moving away from your family and your friends into a new city and so be gone. But we get a chance to make our team better here. How would you guys feel if they created a mechanism whereby if you asked a player to waive his no trade or no move clause, he gets a million dollars.

Brett proposed this last couple weeks. Half a million. He's been hammering on it. And I'm like, yeah, cool idea. So the next CBA will be up in five years. We'll talk about it then. Like it's done. But that's it.

But again, like for a player, for a players win. Like, sure. I don't know if it did come up in these negotiations. But as I look for any kind of player wins in this in this CBA, to me that would be one. Like, okay, you know what? You're asking me to do something for you. That's fine. This is a business.

and what I get in an exchange for helping you out by waiving a clause in my contract that we both negotiated both sides in good faith, I'm going to get a million dollars. That's to me, and I don't like the word fair, but I'll use it. That to me seems fair. So this ties in nicely to the Rasmus Anderson conversation because the situation you're describing is exactly the one that Rasmus and his camp are in with the Calgary Flames. The flames would like to get a great return for Rasmus. Rasmus, I think, has one shot at free agency in his whole career,

or at least one last chance at a big contract. His next deal will likely carry him into his late 30s in the end of his career. He's been on an undermarket deal for most of his career. He's been a very good Calgary flame. He likes the city, but it's clearly time that the team goes one way and the player goes the other because he doesn't really match their window. They're going to be young and trying to be competitive in a couple of years. And Rasmus is quite good very now, about to get more expensive,

and then we'll decline into his late 30s, like all players do because father time's undefeated. Like how do you see this one playing out? I understand Calvary wanting to get more, but too many people are mad at Rasmus in my mind, including Red, a former player where I'm like, he literally negotiated the right to have a no trade.

He's allowed to use it. And you're like, hey, extend here. It's like, I get to your left. Like, I'm not really thinking about where I'm playing after that. Or like, maybe I would, but like I'm not committing to that. Yeah. You know, it's funny. Kelly Rudy would always say he thinks that it should be against, again,

there should be a clause in the CBA prohibiting teams from asking players to waive their no trade. Because it was negotiated in good faith. And for the other reasons that I just sort of laid out, this is the proposition of give me something in exchange for nothing. I have no problem with players refusing to waive their no trade. Yeah, those were all granted. Those were all negotiated and those were all negotiated and give. given in good faith. And again, I'll come back to the same thing. I hate to repeat myself on

your show, but here I go. Give me something in exchange for nothing is not a legitimate offer. And that's what waive your no trade so we can send you where we want is. I have no problem, no problem. Yeah, I agree. I'm the same. I think maybe the only case you could make, and it's not really the same with Rasmus, but like Mitch Martin would be an example. It's like, Leifes are like, hey, we'd love to do a deal. He's like, yeah, no, I'm good. Like, I got the full no move. I'm not moving anywhere. And yeah, I'm going to free agency. Now, at least they ended up. You know, he gets an extra year. He gets the eighth year from Vegas on the 12 million. The least thing get an asset. So that's a bit of give and take. But what the flames are asking

Rasmus to do from, you know, at least what we're picking up in the hockey Twitter sphere is they're saying, hey, like, would you extend places? That's him doing them a favor. And it's like, he's been making not enough money for the last, all of his last deal. Yeah. And he, he, he, he doesn't need to choose where he's going to play in his 30 year old season and beyond yet it's his right to wait i think that like listen if like it's not exactly a secret that the dallas stars have wanted to get rasmus anderson for a while if you know if jim mill wants to approach kregg conroy about it and if he's if he's willing to extend put that put that offer forward like hey this this is what we have with dallas but they'll only do the deal if um if this

contract comes along with it and and and and razz is is amenable to it sure but if he's not why why i think i think all players i've always felt this way i'm not sure you guys are on this one i've always felt that players should do a number of different things and one of them is i mean if i were a player i want this just to just just to know for the rest of my life just to see what you're worth on the open market you know and and rasmus is is right there and is is close to having earned that right. And I know that there's a lot of agents and Darren Ferris. You just mentioned Mitch Marner and Sam Bennett's agent there a couple of seconds ago.

Darren Ferris is always a strong proponent of walk to free agency. See what's out there. It doesn't mean you can't go back. Look at Brock Besser. Yeah. Different agent, albeit. But that's, listen, I think that players have the right. And, you know, it's probably a smart thing that when you're at, you know, some of the height of your powers,

you go out there and test what you're like at the open market. That's the way this whole system has been set up. They have your rights. The team has your rights for a certain amount of time. And then those rights expire and then you can go shopping. And I'll tell you what, the way that Isaac Howard just did it with the Tampa Bay Lightning, I wonder if we start to see more players doing it this way,

specifically now that in the CBA, you hold the player's rights until, well, if they're drafted 18 for four years, until they're 22 years old. So you do that, you know, you threaten with going back for the senior year and then essentially you can pick where you want to go. Like make no mistake about it. Isaac Howard said, I want to go to Edmonton. It was a clear fit.

I don't go to Edmonton. I can go to my senior year at Michigan State and then I will pick after a year and you will get nothing. Yeah. I don't know that it's about the eight aldos or the little dolphins in the swimming. It's not about the mall. Like it's a chance to play in a top six or the. the superstar. Yes.

And there's not a lot of opportunities like that around the league for a guy to go straight from college next to one of the best five players in the world. He's got that opportunity there. Yeah. Yeah. This one's a fascinating one because he's going to walk in there. He's going to be given a lot of chances to succeed. Like Howard's got like a ridiculous release of a shot.

Yeah. He's got from an offensively. He's great. He goes to the net for tips mainly, but he will go to the front of the net. the puck is on his stick and then he's then the puck is off of his stick and he's ready to play in the NHL now and he's maneuvered himself into a position here or he could play next to the best player in the NHL. Yeah. Like as far as stick handling your career, Isaac Howard is a really good job here. Yeah.

It's kind of remarkable. We don't need to get into it, but you know, something went sideways as soon as the season was over and he and Tampa were talking. You're like, oh, okay. That's, you don't usually see a player or prospect of that caliber. I don't think he saw a path. I don't think you saw a path with Tampa. And you look at Tampa, you know, going out and grabbing Yanni Gord and Oliver Burek Strand.

And he's saying to himself, like, look, I'm right here to play pro hockey. I'm right there. And now I've got all these players blocking me. How long does this mean I'm going to be in the American hockey league? And you got himself in a position with the idea of him going for his senior year to position himself to playing with the Oilers. It's funny about that. Nice bit of business.

Yeah, it's funny. Like the collegiate rights and no move clauses. It just makes me think of the Rangers. Like the best and worst. it on both ends with Jimmy Visi and how you see things. Pano, Goudreau with Truba, how ugly it can all get. Yeah. It's, uh, again.

We'll see, that's fascinating. One prospect for prospect. Oh, you've taken too much your time. Thank you. We'll be on. No, Matthew can check Stampede Watch. Jack, have you seen anything on social? I think he might be tired.

You might need a breather after flooring it for like two weeks. Has he, one year off stampede, Matthew. Q, has he, has he, has he, have, like, a pot of black coffee for him yet? is he sobered up since the celebration. I don't know what it's... I don't know that we've ever seen a team part. We thought that we saw it with Ovechkin and the caps. I don't know that I've ever seen a team party like this with the Stanley Cup.

And that includes like the Phil Esposito Bobby Or Bruins. How about the Mark Messier left the cup in a strip club Rangers? There was some teams afforded, but these guys put on a master class this year. They really did. No, no, no. That's a very fair point. The cup may or may not have ended up at the bottom of, I think it was Glenn Anderson's pool.

yeah, you know what? You may have a good point. That you know what? As far as the summer show would go, which is the most spot team. The cup loves a good dunk. To win the Stanley Cup. Well, I'll tell you what,

there was one. You can go see it on YouTube. When the Toronto Maple Leafs won the Stanley Cup in 1967, Clarence Campbell, and he always loved vodka and orange juice apparently, had been drinking all day long. And when he went to hand out the Stanley Cup, he was over refreshed.

let's just say and the speech is garbled. And you can barely understand what Clarence is saying is he hands the Stanley Cup over to George Armstrong. And I don't know that it's the only time, but it's probably, I mean, certainly I don't think Gary Bettman's ever done it buckled, but like the commissioner slash president has handed the Stanley Cup over in less than sober spirit, let's just say.

We've been over refreshed here in Calgary. It's Stampede Week. Thanks for joining us. America. Appreciate it. And big, big pots of black coffee everywhere. Sheet, what's next? Give us the teas.

Today, we got Steph Rosner, who covers the New York Islanders. So one of the more interesting teams all of a sudden, as soon as Lou Lamarillo moves on, all of the sudden, it's become one of the most interesting and entertaining teams and intriguing teams that we've seen in the offseason. So I'm going to talk to Steph about what's next for the Islanders. Right when the dress code goes out the window. Yeah, mustache is left.

That's why he's actually. They were hanging out to it just for Lou Cammy. Oh, my God, I never thought about that. That's true. Mutton chops, big old wax curle. Everyone's going to go wild. They have a new policy, only facial hair. Let's roll.

Got sold patches, all the gross stuff. Finally, Kyle Palmieri can grow his beard back. The one guy that looks so different without a beer. I can never, normally get used to it after. I can never get used to seeing Kyle Palmary without a beer. It's like when small children have their dad shave their beard off of the first time. I mean, they just cry when they see them. don't recognize them.

Stranger danger. We've never seen. Thanks, Jeff. Have great one. Have a good rest of your show, guys. All right. Jeff Merrick in the sheet coming up later, some Islanders chat.

They've gone from like one of the worst prospect pools in the NHL to suddenly one of the best with that incredible hall in the first round. They win the draft lottery to get Schaefer. And then the Hs is in the heavy hitting defenseman. And I believe Eklund as well, the dynamic Swedish forward. Like that suddenly, that was a very old fossil prehistoric Jurassic time team. when Lou left not long ago, and it's turned over pretty quickly. Thank you to Jeff for joining us on the Crystal Waters guest hotline.

Again, air conditioning season, 10% off and a full year of free maintenance. Didn't mention it, but the old Stanley Cup just about got a drink in the bow. Is that right? A couple years ago, do you remember when Logan O'Connor and K.L. McCar arrived via boat with the Stanley Cup? Did they float down the bow from with the cup? Is that what it was? They weren't floating.

I think it was actually like a Calgary Fire Department. department boat. It was like they weren't driving it. They were holding the cup at the front, but there were all these people like lining, trying to get like, you know, get close to them as they're getting ready to dock. And the boat stopped like kind of abruptly. And you could just see that flash of fear. As both of them are like, yes, there's. So I remember that Logan O'Connor is a Glen Lake kid and my kids play Glen Lake. So he brought it back to Flames Community Arena, which is like 10 blocks. I was there for that. I saw you there. That's right. You were, you were and stuff back in the the cougars room with helping them unveil it and get some business stuff was it global time you're doing that yeah yeah

anyway my kids did get to see the cup and you know Logan incredibly kind with his time talk to every kid uh it's it's it's you know i think he's just got one of the coolest stories you know he works his way up through junior a he gets the a hl contract gets like he's a grinder yeah like he was in school against the hl contract just makes his way like claws his way on the avalanche. Yeah, who's a pie-o. So basically like a tryout. Yeah, with the Eagles. Turn that into like an incredible penalty killing, you know, bottom six energy guy.

Had a ton of like short-handed goals. I would like some injury stuff this year. But like you gotta love seeing things turn out for a kid like that. Do we have Byron or not yet? Yes, we do. We do. Amazing. Let's get to it.

From one guest to another from Merrick to Bader, hockey prospecting.com is the website. He is the creator, the founder, the guru, the man with, mind. Byron Bader joining us on the Crystal Waters, plumbing and heating hotline. Sir, happy summer. How are you? Yeah, I'm excellent. How are you guys? We're well. It is Stampede. So, you know, uh, he's lying. I need a healer at some point here. But, hey, uh, have you been out? Have you, have you taken the kids to the grounds yet and done the right? I did. Yeah, we did the parade on Friday for like the first time since I think I was

maybe 10 or 11. Yeah. So you have to pay for the bleachers now. Just found that. out. So we found a spot just sitting randomly by a building. And then we made our way to the park. The free days that was up until about 1.30 or so, that was absolutely bonkers. I feel like there was 200, 300,000 people there. That was crazy. And then the next night I just went to a tent and drank for a bit and stayed away from the stampede. But that's been that. You know, I spent my $300 doing very little. And it's been typical stampede. You've invested in civic pride, Byron. We can't really put a press tag on that.

It's the Cadreys Stampede. I love your work. It's always a great time of year to talk prospects because, A, you know, you get the draft at the end of June, people are like, okay, who are these guys? You did a phenomenal job on our prospect show, chatting with Mike and Pike about the class before it happened. Your rankings look quite different from a lot of these scout-assembled ones.

And over time, it's actually proven to be, the model's very sharp at, you know, picking up some guys up that fall through the cracks sometimes. Biggest takeaway from the draft before we get into some more granular stuff with the flames and then organizational rankings. Yeah, I mean, my biggest takeaway is probably like, you know,

we had a couple years where, you know, the shorter guys were getting a little bit more respect. They're getting drafted a little much earlier than they ever were before. And now it's kind of gone like right back to the top of the order. Like right back to drafting huge. Like a lot of the teams, you know, that was their focus.

Like Chicago, they didn't take a guy under 6-1, and that was Frundel, who's built like a truck. And then you had, I think you had like 25 guys that were D-Men, that were 6-4 or bigger that were drafted, which is the most ever. And like a lot of these guys look like, you know, if they do make it, it's going to be in a very 6-7 replacement type role. So, yeah, bigness was a focus of the draft it looked like. Large and locals, as Pike would always say.

Big and big, and you can't teach big. Tell me about the Flames draft class. You love their 24 class from Vegas and have been heaping praise on them since that draft the summer ago. It sounds like they had another very good value hunting draft this year. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, it wasn't quite to the extent of last year where it was just like every time they went up, It was like value, value, value.

And then kind of at the end, they took some overagers that maybe don't have much of a chance. But like this year was pretty well as well. They went, you know, going like, you know, third round to like Macy O'Phillips going to that giant Dman that every team seemed to want to have. You know, that was a bit early to go to like a pick like that when there was value on the board. But like, yeah, they got a solid four or five picks that, you know, obviously the Reschny one sort of leading the charge looks really good. good. It was hoping him or Kindle was going to drop and they would actually take him and lo and behold, that actually happens. So that was good. And then yeah, they got three or four other value guys that, you know, these guys, I mean, obviously they don't make it even most of the

time, but like you're getting a guy that makes it, you know, 30 to 50% of the time rather than, you know, a bunch of guys in the later rounds that make it, you know, 10 to 20% of the time. So just, yeah, overshooting your draft slot a little bit. They did pretty well again this year. Where did you have Reshingy? And was it 10? I'm trying to remember because you had them quite high. Ditto for Kindle. You were much higher than a lot of the scouts list and it proved to be correct with

Kindle and where he went. Yeah, I think I had him 9th or 10th or 11th. Like him and Kindle basically look identical model-wise. You know, they have that same profile where they're sort of April born and they have the like really good production in their pre-draft year and then the almost elite production in their draft year. And then they're just that little bit small. So yeah, I think I had them ranked in that sort of 9-10 hole.

Yeah, and I was pretty surprised that both of them kind of went before pick 20. I thought one of them might drop into the 20s. I was kind of the scuttle, but, you know, going into the draft was that one of them at least was going to drop. And then, you know, it seemed like the consensus on them seemed to be growing and growing as we were kind of leading up to the draft. So it was kind of cool to see both of them go kind of in that. Yeah, before pick 20. So that's the draft, but when the draft's done, now all of a sudden there's an entire new collection of prospects added to a prospect pool for all 32 teams. You just finished your 32 team organizational rankings for prospects.

So I believe the thresholds are like less than 100 games for a skater, less than 50 for a goalie, something along those lines. But essentially you have ranked 1 through 32 the best systems in the NHL. Who are the big movers and shakers this year? Because it felt like the Islanders would have had an awful system a few years ago. but then they get a haul in the Brock Nelson deal and three first rounders this year. Like were they the biggest mover this year? Yeah, I think they moved up seven spots. Like they were for about four or five years straight,

they were like number 30 to number 32, like just a dreadful system. They just had nothing in there. And then they moved up a little bit with last year's draft when they got Eisenman and a couple other, you know, better value picks than they typically had. And then, yeah, they boosted up seven spots. So they jumped from, I believe, 19th to 12th. Tampa Bay actually had kind of like an under the radar graph. They jumped up seven spots.

But then they're probably going to fall right back now because that was before they traded Isaac Howard. That was literally two days before. So that was nice of them to do that for me. No, press pause there. Sorry. Because while we got you on the topic, what does the model think of Isaac Howard, who's 21 versus Samuel Riley, who's 19, both. really strong production. Isaac dominated NCAA hockey, but at 21, if you're going to be an NHL, you probably should be doing that, right? Like, Johnny did this a year younger than Isaac for

comparison's sake. Yeah. So, I mean, the big thing with Isaac Howard and O'Reilly as well as at the draft, Isaac Howard was profiling pretty well. Like he's born like right on the fringe of sort of younger and older. I think he's born March 30th. And he had like a really good profile on the model. And then he fell off quite a bit because of his D plus one year where he just didn't have a whole lot of production, but he's sort of a, he's rebounded from there. So he's kind of only, you know, out of the five years, he's only had really one year where it was really off. And then in terms of O'Reilly, he's, you know, he started off at a much lower point.

Like his production in his drafter was probably, I don't know, 40, 50% lower than what Isaac Howard's was. I think he's born on that exact same March 30th day, which is funny. And he hasn't really grown out of that yet. I mean, he's two years younger, so that might still come. But I would say that Howard projects much better in terms of making the NHL and turning into something, you know, even an average producer or more. And O'Reilly, to me right now, is sort of, you know, it's kind of hit or miss if he's even

going to make the NHL. So, yeah, I would say Howard profiles better. I mean, obviously, yeah, like he said, like Johnny was doing things earlier, Johnny is that much younger that Johnny profiled way better than both these guys. But yeah, I mean, I think Howard's going to fit perfectly with the Oilers and certainly going to be, you know, like a middle, a middle six guy there that, you know, if he gets put in the right spot and he's getting fed open passes, like he could put in 30, 40 goals. Who knows? So, yeah, I think he projects much better, though. And in terms of risers, like we've been talking a little bit about

the, the CBA and planned expansion. Now, how do things look for a team like Seattle, where we know they had that big win in the playoffs over Colorado, but people have kind of been waiting for them to build something strong here. So now coming on from 2021, how is their prospect pool looking? Like kind of as, I mean, no one's going to have such a blessed expansion draft as Vegas.

So this is kind of going to be the blueprint for expansion teams moving forward. What's Seattle looking like? Yeah. They've kind of been steadily growing their pool since basically inception. So they actually have like a really, really strong pool. They're fourth on my list. Wow.

They have really good goalie prospects. They have a pretty good top five, like especially after adding Jake O'Brien, he profiles really well in the model and having Katten and, you know, and Wright still counts in there because he hasn't crossed over 100 games and he's still new. So, I mean, they have some good pieces there. The depth is, you know, that's the one piece that they're sort of need to build out a little bit more. But it's a really good pool, especially because they've only existed for, you know, three

or four years. So, yeah, they're getting there. and they'll probably have, you know, certainly a top three prospect pool within the next year. So I would guess if they keep on going this way. Flames are at eight on your list. That's up from, I believe, 11 or 12 last year. And rightfully so with two great draft classes in a row

that they're into the top 10 here. That's exciting. But it does feel like a lot of B pluses and not a lot of A's. Like you've got Perek, there's an A prospect. And then everyone else is like, that's a solid player that could be a good NHLer. how would you you've grouped each team into top five prospects who are the flames top five and where are the gaps or is rashne a guy that sort of plugs that gap between the other guys and per rec yeah

i mean per rec like he profiles like he's going to be a star like if he's not a star i'd be very very surprised just based on how he looks in the model how everybody sort of around him that kind of has done that same development they've all turned into stars so i think he's going to be along the same path. Reschny, yeah, he's maybe not that like A plus prospect, like correct. He's more like a B plus and A minus, but also, you know, he's only two years into sort of this five-year track that I'm looking at. So if he makes a big jump next year, like he goes to college and he puts up like, you know, about a 1.5 points per game, that type of area, he's going to jump up huge and he's going to kind of evolve into one of those A-type, you know, you should get a star

out of this type of prospect. So you have those two. And then like you said, there's, there's a bunch of guys that are sort of all around the same. So I think rounding out the top five, I had Precht and then Reschney, and then I had Grideen and... Rustavich, maybe.

Bristavich, yes. I was trying to remember his name again. And then I think I had Potter at the end of that. So like a decent top five, some good potential in there. But like, you know, when you compare it to like San Jose or Montreal or some of these other top five Chicago where they have a lot of star potential in the top five. We have two guys and then there's a bunch of guys that kind of have a 50 to 65 percent chance of

making the NHL and then kind of like a 10 percent chance that they turn into a star into a star in the NHL. So the flames have a lot of these guys. They actually have more of these types of guys than anybody else in the NHL, but they don't have a lot of those big time game changers. So that's kind of the building point going forward is, you know, getting those top picks and getting, or at least, you know, getting massive value, like where they got Reschney at 18th, if they can keep on adding players that sort of profile similar in the model, then that's going to really build out the top five nicely over the next couple of years. Byron Bader here from hockey prospecting.com. You are based at Calgary.

You do have a rooting interest for the local home team when you look at the prospect. pool and you see the roster and you see a tie break keeping out of the amount of the playoffs, but you also see the lack of a superstar. Like when you put yourselves in the shoes of this management team, do you see great conundrums or just a very clear and obvious path? Like how do you, I guess, sift through what Craig Conroy should and could be doing moving forward? Yeah, I think it's a very difficult situation for him because, I mean, you look at these teams

that burn it down and then they're trying to get that top pick or at least. Lisa, top three pick, like, you know, they almost end up bringing it too much down to the studs that trying to get back out of it is a nightmare. Like San Jose's been out of the playoffs for seven or eight years, you know, Anaheim's been out of it for eight years. Chicago's been out of it since 2018. And they're like, not really anywhere close yet. You know, Buffalo is 14 years and they've had to rebuild like five times, right?

So the flames, you know, they have some veterans that can kind of keep them in games. they have Wolf who seems to be emerging as, you know, a really good goalie that can kind of lift them up, you know, at least five spots from the bottom, basically. So, you know, you're not going to trade him away. So do you sort of invest in growing that more and trying to put something, you know, in front of him to build it up faster? Or, you know, are you trying to get into the, you know, into the McKenna or the DuPont sweepstakes? But that's going to involve basically. trading out most of your good veteran depth and just acquiring picks. But then, you know, if they're looking at that, that, you know, horizon of three to five years, they want to be really competitive.

Like, it's tough to do if you trade out everything like that. So I don't know, I'm kind of of the mind that keep on going the way they're doing, you know, trade out Anderson because that one's probably not going to work. You know, if you get like basically like an overpay for, you know, a cadre or, or a Coleman, maybe you trade that out and you take those picks to the bank. But then otherwise, you know, like this year, like we, we were all stressing that we were going to give up that pick and then we ended up picking two spots after that Montreal pick, right? So, and then we end up with a pretty good player out of it. So I'm of the mind that, you know, just it's, it's a lot of luck involved. So just go with how the cards flow. And,

you know, I don't think, I don't think we're going to be in that, that sort of top three sweepstakes over the next two or three years. Like I think the team is just good enough to stay out of that. So, yeah, it's a difficult spot, but I would kind of keep going the way they're going and just make the value picks where they can. And if something works out and falls on their lap, you know, like the islanders jumped up how many spots this year, like 10 spots. So if something like that works out with us, which it never does as, you know, the flames,

have never picked inside the top three, right? So if that finally happens, then great. But otherwise, I think you just have to anticipate that you're kind of not going to be around that spot and just find value otherwise. I love the hockey conspiracy theorists. It's like, oh, no, no, no, no. Like, Bidar, it's going to go to Chicago because Chicago, they need to start. It's original sex.

And Jack is full in on McKenna's going to Pittsburgh, 21 years after Sid, which was 21 years after Mario. It's rigged. Penguins are going to pick first. And then it's like, oh, the Islanders just won. They got a new rink. Gary loves new revenue. New rink.

Calgary's got a new rink. They're going to win when they get the ring. Or we go old school, Gilbert Perrault should have been a Canuck. Sure. That was a real one, trust me. I believe you. I don't know. They are due for some luck, Byron, at some point.

They are. But when will it happen? Well, I mean, never is what it feels like. But, I mean, they're due. They are due. I agree. It's been 40 long years of no luck. Yeah.

Perennial mediocrity. Thanks to your time, Byron. I do appreciate it. Hockey prospecting.com. Plug the website and how people can get involved. I know this time of year, everyone's very excited about the young players in the future, especially when teams are closer to rebuild than contender.

But your site is incredibly unique. Does a great job. And I love that you've been tracking your own selection. So you can actually, over the next decade, really see like, okay, my model outperformed these 18 NHL teams. we're squared off of this many. Like, these guys do a little bit.

That's pretty cool. Yeah. Well, it's, it's fine because, yeah, I tweeted about that and I said, you know,

this would be my prospect system. And then, like, I got a lot of, like feedback back. Like, well, of course, like,

you look great in the model. It's your model. But it's like, well, can you see where it's going, though? Can you see the players that are popping up

on this list and like four or five years removed from the draft? Like how big this list of is of potential people. So, you always hear it from both sides. But yeah, It's been fun. Yeah, you can find me at Hockeyprospectin.com,

subscription-based website. It's $40 a year, and you get access to basically all the stuff I talk about on Twitter. And then I'm at Twitter at Byron M. Bader. And, yeah, that's where to find me. Thanks, buddy. Have a great summer.

Hope you and the family get some lake time, some throw in the ball, and you got the stampede off then done. So that's enough of check. We're going to Idaho on Sunday. So we're getting it all checked off the list real quick. Love it. Safe travel, buddy. Thank you.

All right. See you guys. Byron Bader, hockey prospecting.com. Methodology King. Sure. Yeah. Use big words, Cammy, for the hungover cowboy here. I don't know.

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it's your dealership for life. We'll quickly rip through some of the news. We've touched a lot of these points already, but we'll start a Flamesnation.ca where the writers are always writing. Pikes Piking. Goulding. Oh, hot couple alert on the jumbotone at the search game last night. Tell me about it.

Hiking the misses. No way. They made it and they were having a blast. Was it the deep throat cam or was it just like the pan to popcorn? What was going on? Yeah, was it the kiss cam? It actually wasn't. They didn't do a kiss cam, which I enjoy.

I hate kiss cams so much. You've heard my kiss cam story? I've been on the kiss cam with my sister. Dean was very kind to, you know, go and reach out to the most crested thing I've ever heard. Flames and get the video. We did not kiss. It was like, oh my gosh, that's my brother. And I'm like, and everyone's like, oh, but yes, the kiss cam is very funny.

There's on the website more on Cullen Potter, who is the final. final pick of round one selected by the Calgary Flames with Florida's pick. Speedy. Great release. I know the folks that watched Development Camp was very keen on what they saw from Potter. Also, Sam Morton's back and fold. When you look at this roster, Cammy, it's pretty much set for the Calgary Flames. I mean, they do need to figure out if Rasmus is going to stay or going to go and where does

Perek fit in and who's your seven? Is it Pahal? Is it a bean? But Sam Morton is one of those dark horses where it's like, Like they don't really have a fourth line center. Is it going to be Justin Kirkland? Do you play Pospital down the middle? That's been like kind of one of the rotating spots for the past couple of seasons.

Kevin Rune's gone or heard. Yeah. And so who comes up? And he was a guy that got called up in game 82 and scored. And it's a great story. A friend of the program, Luke Strand, who's the head coach at Minnesota, Mancato, coached him and just said, phenomenal kid just works his tail off. And he's defied the odds the whole way.

So playing game 82 last year, you did it again. but don't sleep on it yet. Is that a very, very impressive, I want to say what, year and a month of HL hockey after coming back from NCAA? A Wenatchie Wild graduate. There you go.

Next, interesting story on Daily Faceoff, I believe, Jack. We talk about rebuilds a lot on this show because, well, Byron just laid it out. It's a tricky spot Calgary Flames are in. I cannot recommend this article enough over at DFO. do rebuilds actually work in the NHL? And it is literally a breakdown of all 32 teams. And when they last rebuilt, how long it took,

what heights they got to with that new core and did it work or not? Fascinating read. People forget the Florida Panthers rebuild was 20 years before this potential dynasty. Who's actually one recently that hasn't bottomed out? Probably St. Louis and Vegas are the only ones. And that would be Bennington's incredible run

where they were last in the league to winning the cup within like four months. And Vegas obviously built not through their own draft, but through an expansion draft and him, George Murphy, extorting other general managers who were very, very dumb and didn't seem to understand the expansion draft. But otherwise you're right, Jack, like it's,

it's McCar, it's McKinnon, Rantan, Landiscaug, all super high picks. It's Barcove, Eckblad. Ebertoe. Sure, it helps them get, yeah, Kach, for sure. It's, you know, the dynasty in Pittsburgh, maybe not a dynasty, but you got three in a decade. And that's Sid and Latang and Melton and Mark and Fargo.

How dire things were for the Black Hawk pre-Cain and Taze. That building was dead. Keith. Yeah. Like, it's just, if you want to have a run at more than one cup, it's usually built off the back of a rebuild where you pick at the top of the draft. And there are some outliers. Boston hasn't really bottomed out. and they had the greatest free agent signing of all time

and Zino Chara. You found some gems later in the draft like Bergeron, I believe was second round. Marchand wasn't a first rounder, if I'm correctly. They did incredible work in the draft. But generally speaking, if you're a team that's a strong, strong contender, it's because you were really shitty at one point

and got to pick high all the time. Hi, Edmonton, hi. Like four draft lotteries in seven years. Yeah, okay, we get it. Like you were awful, you were the worst run team in pro sports, and you were gifted a superstar. right now you get content. That is rebuilding.

And it drives people nuts like me, as you can tell, but it works. And yeah, you could be a Buffalo. But like Buffalo is the worst drawn organization now in the league. The last time they made playoffs, I hadn't hit puberty yet. Cammy. Couldn't drive yet. It did not work. Let's move, Jack.

I think that's the third time I made you say that today. No comments. Yeah. Yeah. I can say it. I'm trying to remember the context of the other one. I don't know that it's show friends. Headphones.

Here's the trade. That's right. Large cans. Oilers and Tampa. Outside of the context of these bad boys. Moving on. Isaac Coward goes to Edmonton and Cal O'Reilly goes to Sam O'Reilly, excuse me, not Cal.

Cal was a collegiate player. I think of Miami, Ohio. It goes to the Tampa Lightning. This is an interesting breakdown for Frank because these are very different prospects, they're very different age. And when players are in their infancy like these two, you wildly diverging like where people think they're going to end up.

So Frank summarizes the trade by saying fascinating trade, depending on who you trust, some scouts think O'Reilly is the better long-term prospect. Howard is NHL ready now? And that would be a reasonable outcome, I'd expect, that Howard can step in and impact the NHL roster much more now, but you might have a better player in six years and a younger player in O'Reilly. a win-win, potentially. I mean, Edmonton's best players

are at their best right now. Take advantage, keep swinging while you can. If you're into that oilers kind of thing. If you're into like, you know, hanging banners, I think a roster player that helps this year is probably the priority. So I don't mind that deal for the oil. Where are we going next, Jack? Local sports, or we have anything else in each year? Local sports.

Cammy, I need the updates. Local sports. I talked a little bit about the Calgary Surge earlier. Today, they're killing it. Like, they are a championship contender every year. They're definitely in the conversation. Once again, they have so many guys who have NBA experience. We talked about Evan Gileard setting a franchise record with 37 points and 107.91 win.

Last night, he plays with Raptors down a 5 in the G League. So now, second in the west behind Vancouver. And to be clear, those teams hate each other. Bandits in search. Hate each other. It's always a thing when they play each other. So Calgary's next home game is actually going to be against the bandits. and that's going to be on the 25th.

At one sport. Good, that'll be fun. We did get some, the vibes were very good last night. We've been pimping the marching band. Let's take in some of the sounds from the dome last night from the search. What a celebration here on the floor, the stampede band playing. Can't go wrong with a marching band, Jonesy. I'm waiting for the horse to come riding through, right?

Is this great cup week where the horse rides in the lobby of the hotel? It's a great week here. Stampede Week, everybody enjoying it. So to Commissioner Mike Morial Marial white hat today for the commissioner. There he is right there. Congratulations to the commission, the C-EBL,

who's enjoying this game tonight. On Black Legend. I do wish they cut to when the band was doing Paramore and not Pink Pony Club. Both bangers, both fingers, both fingers. But, yeah, but so they're back at WinSport on the 25th. In the meantime, they're on a two-game

roadie they've got the Saskatchewan rattlers on tuesday in saskatoon struggling a bit bottom west 411 can never count them out it's it's target time man and winnipeg is hosting championship weekend this year so that means only one team from the west is gonna like it's huge between calgary and vancouver for positioning here down the stretch huge huge and they've met in the playoffs many a time Vancouver has knocked calgary out and winnipeg has uh one of the i mean star players from the inaugural season for the surgeon sim you should too out there okay uh Stamps or Cavs, where are we going next? We don't want to go.

One is much happier than the other. Let's start with happy. Let's start with happy. Stamp heater is off to the great toilet bowl of the prairies. It's a beautiful. I love Mosaic Stadium, but we cannot deny what it looks like. We met there. I don't know if you remember that.

Is that where we met? I'd probably seen you in scrums or something like that, but it wasn't until we were in Regina covering the Jets and Flames Outdoor game. Right. And it was the lobby of the downtown hotel in Bettman. and it was holding a press conference. And then it was, I'm trying to remember, the head coach was the former, Bill Peters at the time.

I think it was an overtime loss of the flames. But I don't know that we'd really interact and said hello before. Is it either 2-1 or 3-2? Yeah. Yeah. I think it was 2-1. It was a very low-scoring game. I remember it being so cold.

My earpiece died doing live hits outside. So I couldn't hear the studio talking to me. I just had to like hope that they're asking the questions that I sent them. And I know my cameraman, like he just had to like go. he had to point to say go and while i'm doing this i also think i got frostbite on my nose well this is going on mike vernon just walks beside me he's like i'm going to my heated sweet so good enjoy good living mike well done but anyway that yeah so stampeter is going out to take the riders i mean last undefeated team last undefeated team in the cfell rider's up four oh right now seven

o'clock on friday so stamp second at three and one after handing winnipeg its first loss lots of storylines here. I mean, Jake Mayer, but I mean, he's not going to see a ton of time. I mean, riders whooped BC 3718 last week. It's the best teams going head to head. But Corey Mace versus Dickinson, top offense in Saskatchewan versus Calgary Stingius defense. Running backs will be interesting. A.J. Olet versus Diedrich Mills. And I think I got odds for the game as well from that 365, Jack. I don't know if you have those handy or not, but riders are favored. No doubt. The line is five. We'll revisit that later. in the program.

One of the craziest things, this is the most Saskatchewan thing I've ever seen in my life, used to be a court reporter out there. Okay. And I remember covering, it's sad. It was a murder trial. But during examination, they were trying to establish how a witness saw something because they had already like kind of established that. They were, they were intoxicated at time.

They were drunk at the time. And like, how do you know that you saw this at this time on this day? And in a court of law, the witness that I was walking back from the old Taylor Field, the riders beat the bombers. 29 27 and they're like yes of course like this is the most Saskatchewan thing I will ever see I remember like it was yesterday Ron Lancaster yeah okay very good rider fans one of a kind uh so stamps Friday night at the Durs that'll be a fun one top two

teams in the west and stamps a great turnaround story under Dave and a new crew and an entirely new defense cavalry FC the news less good I was there Tuesday night in the second half of their Canadian championship game to Vancouver FC the down 1-0 in the first. They square it off. Went to penalty kicks. They lost five to four and six rounds. Against a team in the league basement.

That sucks. That's penalty kicks. That's penalty kicks. Yeah. So ends the run for the Voyager Cup this year. But they do get it. Regular season continues. It was also a little bit of a double gut punch because they got blanked by

Letico, Ottawa last time out in the regular season, 28. So looking for the big bounce back CPL rematch on Sunday, Sunday. Sunday, Sunday. Sunday Sunday. Yep, we were fighting the website this morning, but we think we figured it out. But taking on Vancouver again on the road, then still on the road,

out to take on Valor FC in Winnipeg and that sparkling minus 19 goal differential. Yuck. Gross. That does it for the local sport scene. Jack, just dumb stuff. Is that all we got now? We got three dumb things.

Where do you want to go? We'll finish with Stampede and we'll start with the furthest thing away from. those were words English those were words in an order in our ears off this damn show oh okay this is awesome so Rhett loves new sports they have robot soccer in China big hit let's take a look and look at the

stunning athleticism and oh that was actually Jack at the Wild Horse tent on the most people dance here a lot of falls these are the robots like toddler t-ball. It kind of does.

Yeah. Oh, I like how they bring up the stretcher thing. Like, that's pretty epic. Athletes, I just beautiful thing to watch.

Or, I mean, those guys are thinking ahead of the rest of us. Once these robots gain sentience and take over the world, they're going to remember the guys who were nice to them.

That's true. Yes, hopefully benevolent, benevolent, we'll see. Next item, Jack, we'll save Stampede for last.

But this guy says, hey, look, like, dudes, aren't useless. We can invent some stuff. Check this out. Turned to drill into like the sort of a straw that he drank a lot of beer. Let's see you do that. Watson. Oh, shit. That's okay. I love men in stem. Jeez. Let's see if you can do that.

Oh, yeah. Lost a moment. And finally, Kami at Stampede. I was a little worried about the show today. but luckily that early day sun struck in time for me to get to the studio. Can you zoom in on that? This is, my back's a little sore though, Jack. I don't know what's a little kink right in the middle, not living the hips, not really the neck, but right in the middle of the, oh. You know what?

I hate to say this until it zoomed in. I was like, oh my God, I think I know who that is. But I know another person who was, They were face down. Right. They were face down until their, until their mom came to get them. That might be the boss, Ryan.

It kind of looks like our boy. I know for sure. Be safe out there. We're halfway through. Home stretch in sight for Stampede 2025. That's your Pinned Report for our great friends at Village Holland. Hey, they got some lots. They got some units on the lot, I should say.

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I don't know. Okay, so just that's good. We'll leave it there. I know a lot of the viewers don't want to, they have this, Camys and this, can't leave it at that. Let's pretend that you snored.

I'm sure I do sometimes. I'm sure you don't because you're perfect, but if you did, I would tell you to go see Dr.J at Outdoor.com. Because here's the thing. They obviously got this Salaia laser that's great for dentistry. They're letting bottle collectors come in.

Look at that. That's five cents right there. But this laser not only helps the dentistry, it can help with snoring issues. soft palate in the back of your throat, two 15 minute sessions. They move the laser back and forth. Paint free. And then all of a sudden, that soft palate tightens up a little bit and you don't snore as much.

Trust this caveman. It's worked. And that means I'm sleeping better, not to mention my cave wife next to me, sleeping better. Outdoor.dental. I can think of so many people who need to go there. We have a birthday party coming up in Banff. And we couldn't find a hotel. tell that one would let you stay for one night out in Banff.

So we've rented a whole room in a hostel for like, it's still going to be more than 200 bucks a person. But there's some loud folks. These are some loud folks. And I think they need to preemptively go. Very good. Do you remember the caveman days? I don't know if you were doing after brewers for us then or not.

I mean, you're slowly evolving. Yeah, the mullet was a vibe too, Jack. I don't know. I'm kind of feeling the mullet right now. I might have to. tighten the sides and get the part in the back. Have you ever had the racing stripes? I did. Yes, when we went down to. I feel like you've had that. Yeah, he did.

We did the racing strings. Speed, eh? Yeah. Well, oh, we didn't talk about the other haircut, which is Jack turning into a monk. That's right. Right. We have to do a nice little circle. It's Jack's Film Fest. He's becoming a monk. He's a recluse now, avoiding society, not interacting with people of any ages or you know just movie time and uh what full monk just start wearing start wearing robes shaved head the whole thing whatever they do whatever they do i don't really know learning a lot so not like a fun monk like iwin mcgregor obi won canobi and like phantom menace that's a that's our jack oh we should get him a little clip on braid that's that'll be your new haircut instead actually that'll be your monk haircut let's get to our

bets we do that for our great friends at bet three six five to out of your bet. It's never ordinary at bet three, six five. Must be 19. Please play responsibly. And yeah, it's a wide range of markets. You want to put a wager down on Wimbledon. You want to do some CPL. You want to do the riders and the stamps. Baseball, Blue Jays are hot. NHL futures. They got it at all at Bet 365. Got a couple here. Blue Jays, red hot. Finally lost a game, Kami, yesterday. 10 wins in a row, one away from matching a franchise record. They fell in Chicago. They've got three left against the don't have a city athletics, not Sacramento, not Oakland, just the athletics who play in Sacramento, uh, in a dumpy AAA ballpark. Uh, they have a two. They, they don't have possums in the press box in Sacramento. So that is one of the big upgrades coming from Oakland as actual possums were living in the press box. Do you think they are getting athletes for being too spoiled now?

If you're not living with the risk of rabies, what are we doing? here. I like the jays of the two and a half game lead in the a L east and three more before the all-star break. They are going to add at the trade deadline. The Yankees, yes, they're good. Tampa, yes, they're good. But J's over two and a half game lead. And they're paying plus money. Yankees are actually favored on 365. So I'm going to see if I can't exploit a little value there. Also, the stampeters have been, I think, outperforming everyone's expectations all year. They were dogs at home against the bombers. They were big time dogs week one. And then up winning. I'll take the five points for the stamps at minus 1.10 as they had to face the Durs

tomorrow night. You know, it's funny, though? I don't know. Vern has a, like a throwing touchdown. He did. His first was the first drive of the game against one. Yeah, I think he had two last week. Oh, right, right. But it was an interesting note because it's week four and they'd had a buy. And it's like, oh, that's his first touchdown. But you also had the Diedrich Mills hat trick, the first game. They'd be good. The only game they lost was that torrential downpour. Like that day was awful sloppy the two and oh and we're there they are two and oh and jack and i are there calgary stampeters need me to make you a billboard and camp out on crow child put the pieces together jack and i go two and oh maybe if you dress up like brett michael's every game so we

always have the power of brett he was awesome i was impressed brought the energy yeah another thing that Jack has to add to his list of things to view. I mean, it's not a show. It's just film fest. Yeah, please put your If anyone remembers Rock of Love with Brett Michaels, it is my favorite trash 2000s. Rock of Love. There was Flavor of Love with Flavor Flav. Flavre Flavre.

There was a rock version with Brett Michaels. That's horrifying. A Brett Michael's dating show in like 2007. It is so bad. His catchphrase is, what's going on? And I might actually go with him for Halloween next year because it is so bad, but so entertaining. He was very good at the Stampede Bowl. I don't need you taking runs at his reality TV show, Cammy. The Rock of Love with Brett Michael. Oh, my God.

Look at the bandana. That is a time and a place, Jack. There is a lot of bleach blonde hair and some of it are even the women in that photo. Yeah. Crazy. Actually, the lady with the red hair is the villain of season one. Okay. Good to know.

She's scary. Well, make some ride dirt bikes and stuff. Jack, we might have to give you a long weekend so you can get cops to speed. You're getting a lot of homework. Also, one of the ladies got a tattoo of him and then he eliminated her. Oh, that's heartbreak. That's tough. Yeah.

Time heals all wounds. Oh, and one of the contestants is named rodeo. Topical. Topical. You've seen more of this than I imagined. I thought this was going to be like flipping a channel. I wasn't kidding. No, this is my favorite.

Like, I don't watch housewives or anything like that. If I need to watch people being messes, that is what I watched. Okay. Uh, super chats. Jack, anyone coming in with any recommendations for Jack's Film Fest? What do we have? Nothing. Nothing.

We got one message, though, that I wanted to pull up. Let's do it. I was in Wainwright last night. The town is buzzing with the anticipation of the arrival of the boomcat. He needs walk-up music everywhere he goes now. He will hate it. And I love it. It's going to be great.

Wayne Wright, Alberta. Everyone. please gather and head to the young ladies slow pitch tournament and welcome Dean Boomer Mulberg to your great city. I encourage you to say hello, shake his hand and offer him a 30 second hug. Please do this for us. We love you. Where was he last night?

I was at a concert in Regina. Was that Regina? Okay. You've seen this guy like four times. He loves this guy. This is like Steinberg, Dave Matthews band, level. weird like you need to see the band that many times in a world it doesn't matter but uh i'm sure they're wonderful and if that makes dean happy or just less miserable than i'm in was it the elvis tribute at

o'hanlon's irish pub no was it a night with sticks and foreigner no that sounds like a casino music uh well i guess we'll never know how was the show today jack very good did we pass yeah we passed Jeff is great, Byron's great. I don't want to pull back the curtain the hallway, but we have been feverishly working behind the scenes to get some long-form conversations in the can for later release this summer for when we exiled Jack to Tibet

to finish his monkdom and our vacation. Look forward to some really good chats, and there are a few more going into the can this week on top of a list that's already impressive and growing. We might not be here all the time, But when we are, we'll have fun and when we're not, we've got some great chats with people of interest in sport and here in Calgary.

Thanks for being with us today. Cammy, thanks for coming in. It was great hanging. Hey, thanks for having me. It's been a while. I need a beer. I'm standing, everyone. See, buddies.