Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - RASMUS ANDERSSON TRADED TO THE VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS 🚨 | INSTANT REACTION

Episode Date: January 19, 2026

🚨 BREAKING NHL TRADE 🚨Rasmus Andersson has been traded to the Vegas Golden Knights and we’re going LIVE with our instant reaction!🔄 Trade DetailsTo Vegas Golden Knights:➡️ Rasmus Andersson (29 y/o D)• 6 years remaining• $4.55M AAV (50% retained by Calgary)To Calgary Flames:➡️ Zach Whitecloud (29 y/o D)• 4 years remaining• $2.75M AAV➡️ Abram Wiebe (Unsigned NCAA prospect)➡️ 2027 1st Round Pick➡️ 2027 2nd Round Pick• Upgrades to a 1st if Vegas wins the Cup in 2025–26💰 Cap Impact:Flames add a net $475K to their cap hit.What We’re Discussing:• Did the Flames get fair value?• How does Andersson fit in Vegas?• Is this the start of a bigger sell-off in Calgary?• Winners & losers from this trade• What’s next for the Flames?Join us LIVE as we break down everything, react with fans, and analyze what this move means for both teams moving forward.🔥 Drop your thoughts in the chat👍 Like & subscribe for daily Flames content🔔 Turn on notifications so you never miss breaking news#nhl #nhlshorts #nhlplayoffs #nhlpredictions #nhlhockey #nhlpicks #stanleycup #stanleycupfinal #calgaryflames #calgary #vegasgoldenknights Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It's now over because we have a Rasmus Anderson trade to talk about it. Welcome to an emergency barn burner trade. Breaking news. Breaking news. Ryan Pinderer alongside producer Jack. Jack, I hope you weren't enjoying the football. The good news is that the play of Drake May and C.J. Stroud was almost unwatchable. So the timing's okay, I think.

You have a trade. And it is Rasmus Anderson. The longer things hung around with Boston and didn't get done, more it sort of felt like it's going to be fucking Vegas, isn't it? And sure enough, it is Rasmus Anderson off to the Vegas Golden Knights. Let's take a look at the deal and slowly start to digest exactly what the Calgary Flames get in return for Rasmus Anderson. Rasmus, of course, in the final year of a contract paying them $4.55 million. We can tell you the Calgary Flames are retaining half the salary on Rasmus.

That makes them what? like a $2.3 million player or something like that, less than that. That's crazy. But it's just for this year, obviously, as he's a free agent this summer, this is not a deal with an extension. Vegas is probably confident they can get an extension, given that they did quite easily with Noah Hanofin after being traded. And to the Calgary Flames, they get the first round selection of the Vegas Golden Knights next year. That is the 2027 first. They also get a 2027 second that will turn into a first round pick should Vegas win the country? Cup this season. Also, they get prospect Abram Weeb, who is playing at North Dakota,

former Chilliwack Bruin, and a big left shot D. And Zach White Cloud, the 29-year-old defenseman, he is in year four of six. So you have this year plus two more with Zach White Cloud, who plays a physical style of play, certainly not a star player, but a roster player indeed. White Cloud at this point, well, they just took them off the page. They're really good updating this year. We're going to go through this together. White Cloud you've seen in the last few years with the Vegas Golden Knights, certainly not a star, but indeed a roster player. You can see last season, 13 points in 74 games. He's a third pair of guy for Vegas. And yeah, it's a part to come back that's a veteran. And if you're the Calgary Flames pretending you're going to

make a run at the playoffs this year. That's probably fine. It's another right shot D, which does feel like they're jammed up a bit, but make no mistake. This is not about Zach White Cloud. That's about a veteran defenseman coming back and probably making some salary room for the Vegas Golden Knights as well, if they're intent on signing Rasmus Anderson. Okay, so lots to get through here. We're probably going to have Boomer join us at some point. We'll see if we can't get some other Flames Nation nerds into the mix as well. I know Bobby Germany, Mike Gold, amongst others would be keen to chime in on the deal we've been waiting for. I will say this. I'm seeing a lot of negative reaction about this deal and I get it. Like people have expectations for trades. But if you

were told that Rasmus Anderson would be traded as a rental and you got a first, a second, second that conditionally could become a first, as well as a roster player, and a college prospect, would you be happy with that return? Because that's probably three or four times the value they got for Chris Tanna, who left as a rental right shot defenseman. And it's, I would suggest worlds more than they got for Nikita Zedorov,

who's not a great comp for Rasmus. But, you know, it's more than the Bruins gave up for Brandon Carlo last year. It's a first and a second and a roster player and a prospect. And for a rental, that feels like a haul. I think what probably has people in their fields is that this doesn't feel like a rental, does it? It feels like Vegas is just going to extend him. And if that's the case, then you wonder about, okay, if you knew Vegas was going to sign him anyway, could you get a bigger hall than this?

And again, I don't claim to be an expert on Abram Weeb. But, you know, now we're all going to love it. look and say, who the hell is this guy? What's he all about? You know, you've seen Zach White Cloud. He's absolutely an NHL defenseman. I don't know why they're keen on another righty. You've already got McKenzie Weger on the right. You've already got Brasdevich on the right. You've got Paul on the right. You've got Zain Perrek on the right. They had five rate shot defensemen until today. And then they still have five because they moved Rasmus out and they bring Zach White Cloud in. It doesn't really open a spot on the right side for the flames.

They want to create room on the right. Sure. You could slide McKenzie Weekewarm. you're over the left side. But 29 is white cloud. He's 6-2-220. That is a big right-shot D. This feels like Braden Pahal should be getting nervous here. This is probably a better version of

Braden Pahall. He heals from Brandon, Matatoba, but played his minor hockey in Yellowknife. And, yeah, played at college. Career high of five goals, eight goals. And he's played, let's see, one, two, this is his sixth full NHL season with Vegas. He now becomes a Calgary flame.

Let's get right to comments, Jack, because look, I'm not going to pretend to be the Abram Weave expert. We've all seen Zach White Cloud in action, and we don't know where these picks are going to be. But again, it is a, the Flames now hold the Vegas Golden Knights first rounder this year in 2026 for the Noah Hannafin deal. They hold Vegas Golden Knights first next year in 2027 for this Rasmus Anderson trade. and on top of that, they also hold a second rounder of the Vegas Golden Knights in 2027, which should they win the Cup this year?

And if Flame fans, you want some skin in the game, you've got some now. At the beginning of the year, you would not have been cheering for Vegas to win the Cup because you hold their pick this year. But now that you could get another first round pick and have three consecutive Vegas Golden Knights picks

if they win the Stanley Cup, yeah, there's going to be some Flames fans rocking the Vegas silks this year. Let's get to some comments and we'll read through them Right now, Jack, if you can do that. Yeah, I got the comments on the screen. We got our first guest joining us.

It's Ryan Pike. All right. Let's get right to it. Ryan Pike is at the Scotian Bank Saddle Dome across from the beautiful new arena. Pike, immediate reaction to the trade. A first, a conditional second that can become a first. Right shot, D-Man, Zach White Cloud, and prospect, Abraham Lee. For Rasmus Anderson at half retention.

Well, the apparent price tag, the Aspen price tag, the asking price of the flames was the equivalent of two first round picks. And for a guy that is not extended and a guy who was half, half retained, they got a first, definitely a second, a guy who is at the very least a decent college prospect. And my guess is to help make the money work. White Cloud was probably, that was probably how that came through. But, like, White Cloud, if the idea is you don't want the team to completely hit the ditch, White Cloud allows you some insulation

for some of your younger defenseman. He's someone that you can move. He's on a fairly cost-effective deal for what he is. And he's someone who's a rock-solid defender. I mean, he's, I can't say anything bad about Zach White Cloud's game. He's not spectacular, but he's a good all-round defender. He can slot wherever you need him to. You could argue to some extent he's sort of a right shot Joel Hanley

in that he's just, he's really steady. and having, you know, a couple of those guys in your, in your group, you probably don't feel too bad about. And, you know, I think the challenge here is if you're the Flames, you know, the numbers game, assuming nothing else happens, which who the hell knows, 100% percentage probably ends up migrating back to the Wranglers for the time being based on the numbers game. But, I mean, the Flames have some, you know, they still have money to work with. Like, I think they gained like $175,000 in cap hits in this transaction. they had the better part of 18 million and change. So they still have a lot of flexibility.

And now they have even more draft picks. They have two first to this year's draft. They have two firsts and next year's draft. Potentially, if Vegas goes on a run, they have potentially two picks in the 2028 draft. And if you're the flames, if you think you can turn this thing around quickly with a high-end player in the draft or two this coming year,

you can use those picks to improve your team immediately. If not, you have some ammunition in some future drafts. So, I mean, if you want to maintain as much flexibility as you can, cap-wise, roster-wise, draft-wise, you know, it's hard to really nip-pick this trade because I think they did a lot of little things as well with it. I've known for White Cloud. He's playing a career high 1846 a night.

Actually, that's not true, 21-202, he played 1848, but essentially mirroring career highs an ice time per game. If you called him an equivalent to Joel Hanley, I'd push back and say, well, he's bigger. He's probably playing a touch more. And he's not a guy that's going to see waivers

like Hanley did, which is how you got him. Not to diminish what Joel Hanley is, but I almost wonder with the number of righties they have if you don't immediately turn around and move Zach White Cloud with the number of righties they have. It's a possibility, or you can move McKenzie Weeger over to his left side

and then maybe that drops Kuznetsoff down to the third pairing and maybe Hanlon becomes more of a spare body. At that point, I think if your third pairing includes, you know, on Kuznetsoff, you know, he feel really good about your tap. And so I think, you know, the question is like, okay, who does Kevin Ball play with on Monday? I don't know. Do you, you know, do you keep, like, Kuznetsoff and Uighur have been really good together? We haven't really seen Kevin Ball with anyone but Rasmus Anderson outside of a handful of games. So I think there's some questions. What do you do there. So yeah, I'm I'm really fascinating to see what happens here because, you know, I, I think this

is the first domino to fall. I don't know if there's others, but at the very least, like, this is the business thing needed to take care of before the end of the season. This was the, the pile of work, you know, threatening to topple over and envelop Craig Connor on his desk. And now with three weeks left of the Olympics, two and a half weeks, I think the, the Roger freezes on the fourth. they basically got their business down with a little bit more than, you know, a little bit less than three weeks to spare. And so it gives them a lot of breathing room. And I think, you know, like you said, White Cloud someone potentially a contender might like.

Maybe you see, maybe you don't. I really like Joel Hanley potentially. Like if you're a championship team, you need a thousand defensemen. Maybe Joel Hanley is something that a contender would like, especially with a lower cap hit than Zach White Cloud has. So yeah, there's a lot of things to wrap your head around. But on first blush, I mean, I think they did what they needed to do. And I think they got the return they needed to get to this kind of asset.

Last one for you because we got Boomer about to jump in. Reading the tea leaves and the sources that you have, what happened with Boston? The rumored package was the first. Mason Lurai as well as Matthew Poitra, who's in the American League this year. I don't know which package is better and or worse, but it felt like that was close to crossing the line. What intel do you have on why that deal didn't get done?

I would guess that they were talking extension and couldn't come to terms. And then when you're like, okay, my, here's, here's, this meeting the tea leaves. I think there were, we heard Bradford Living use this phrase all the time. Parallel paths. You're exploring a series of trade possibilities where they say, screw it, we'll worry about extension later.

We just want the player for our run right now. And in which case, for those guys, you would really be concerned about how do you fit him under the cap and how do you make sure that the, you know, the compensation for the player and for retention is commissary. And then you have a few teams that were probably like, we love Rast and Sanderson, we want him here forever, and we won't do anything. We won't pay the price that you want without the extension. My guess is Boston was on the extension or bus path. And when they couldn't quite reach an agreement with the Anderson camp on exactly what that looked like, they probably turned to dust and then they pivoted to. Everyone's favorite trade partner, the Vegas Golden Knights.

Piker, thank you. Might bring you back later, but I think we got the Boomcat ready to jump in. I'm going to be here for a while by the sound of it. So I'll see you later. Send Boomer my love. All right. Thanks, buddy. Okay, there's Ryan Pike Live from the Saddle Dome as the Vegas Golden Knights

have acquired Rasmus Anderson. Half retained for the remainder of this is final year of his contract. He has traded as a rental by the Calgary Flames. We'll see whether he does get extended. ended or not by the Vegas Golden Knights. Again, the return in 2027 first round selection of the Golden Knights. The flames already have their first rounder this year. They now have it next year and a second rounder next year that if they win the cup

this spring, we'll turn into another first rounder, likely the 2028 first round would be how that typically would augment a conditional pick being turned into a first. On top of that, it's Zach White Cloud, a 29-year-old right-shot defenseman who's playing almost 19 minutes a night, big, physical, and a college prospect, Abram Weeb, who's playing at North Dakota, 6-3, and it's got some bulk to him as well, over 200 pounds. Above a half point per game is a left-shot defenseman, one of the better collegiate programs in all of college hockey. Let's welcome in a man in his fireplace. Sorry to ruin your weekend, Dean. How are you? there we go say home home studio i'm all rusty i'm all rusty i'm all rusty from my chest to uh to martyloop

i'm all right so uh we're off tomorrow is that how it works as long as we fill in off air today i feel like that's a tapin right yeah well i mean i'm i i got in for the last uh few minutes of of piker there as you kind of walk through the you know his thoughts and that you get you get the deal done and there's just going to be a lot of questions so what was it about this deal that Conroy liked could you have kept could you have kicked it down the road a little bit should you have waited why now who are these guys we'll get some of those answers some will never get and those are the ones that we would love the most which is of the other offers what was on the table were there more intriguing prospects where the picks not as good as what

they got from Vegas because there's obviously enough here for the flames to say okay we're we're pulling the trigger today on the 18th Sunday 4 p.m. let's get this thing done because this deal works for us. So we're critical in some ways to say, just get this done, get it done, get it done. And then they get it done. It's like, well, you know, does it kind of have that feeling to you? Or are you happy with the return?

You know what? I am curious about the timing. I don't mind the return. Like if you had told me at the beginning of the year, they would move Rasmus as a rental. What would I expect the return to be? I would have taken the under on a first, a second, a roster player and a prospect who I don't know how we grade at this point and maybe nothing or maybe something. But if it was just going to be a rental, you're thinking, well, they basically just got a first for Hannafin because Miro was kind of a B minus or C plus intriguing project at that point.

And, you know, Hannafin and Anderson, they're not identical. But there were both guys in career years you were selling, not in careers, in walk years you were selling his rentals. I think you would have said, yeah, like, I don't think they'll get that much. And yet I see everyone today is like, what the hell is this? And it's like, they try to Christanav at like kind of near the peaks of his powers for a second rounder. And like a kid, anyone that, you know, had scouted knew had a very slim chance of making the NHL. This is a significantly way bigger haul than that, just with the picks alone. Yeah.

Like if you think about a second versus a first and a second that has a condition that could turn it into a first, a roster player who is an NHL or a good one in the sense that he's playing a big set of minutes, you know, call him a four, five, six of the Vegas gold nights over the course of his six years there. And the prospect who we're going to learn about, but we don't have a great report on at this point, how projectably is. Like that feels like a lot. I think the challenge is that, A, it's Vegas. B, you have all these conversations about extensions.

He's not extended. And C, you expect Vegas to extend them, don't you? That's the thing. I was just going to say, the thing with Vegas, it's like maybe if you were in high school when you were younger and you broke up with your girlfriend and she was around one of your buddies. They're like, oh, no, they're not going to get together.

They're just friends. They're just friends. Don't, no, no, no. Oh, see, they are together now. They are dating. I kind of figured. For Kelly McCriman and the Vegas Golden Knights, why pay for an extension when they don't have to? You hate being on this end of it.

Again, the same thing with Hanifan, pending UFA, well, if you get a contract, we're going to need more. Okay, then we won't get a contract. Wink, wink, widge, nudge. Is there anybody out there that really believes Rasmus doesn't sign an extension? They'll just have to be, it's probably signed already. They'll just need to kind of be cute about not being, how soon before it's insulting to announce an extension for Anderson for Vegas?

Well, and look, like agents aren't dumb. If you're Claude Lemieux and your player says, okay, you know, I will sign a boss, my preference is here, you can not tamper and figure out exactly what the money is. Like, oh, hey, Kelly, it's Claude, wondering what you think maybe a 24 minute of the night, right shot defenseman 29 years old would be worth on the open market this summer. Like, you can talk without tampering, but it kind of has, you know, maybe it's, you know, my roots is a Blue Jays, it feels like the fucking Dodgers. Like you have all these teams like, Otto, Detroit's going to give you this kid and

boss is going to give you this. kid and Ottawa was interested in Carolina. You can't rate them off. Dallas, he's a great fan. He's like, fucking Vegas at the very end sneaks in and does it, just like the Dodgers. And you know what? And then if you go another level further, and it's not to pick apart this deal, because we will get into it. But what did Vegas give up if we want to look at it that way?

Now, Zach White Cloud is a guy that grew up in Brandon played his junior, played his junior elsewhere, but played his, you know, AAA as Bantam at this. IEP, we banned him, that sort of thing in Branden. And Kelly McCrim, owner of the Week Kings at that time, would have been very familiar with this young man. He then goes the Matatoba Junior Hockey League route, goes to Bemidji for a couple of years, is undrafted. And then, oh, it pops up in Vegas and signs an entry level deal and then kind of kicks, oh, I can really play. And then gets himself a nice contract. So in that respect, it's a roster player, but for McCrim, it's found money.

You know, this is a guy we, this is a guy we found. The Abram Weeb is a seventh rounder from 2022. And picks be damned. If they win the cup, it's all worth it, right? It's another first round pick, but it's down the road. Which that's Zach White Cloud's 29, but he's not a prospect, right? No, no, no, no. He's a racist stage.

Yeah, he's a roster. Not a first and a prospect. And I guess we'll find out about Abram Wee, but he's 22, right? He's longer in the tooth already for a guy that you would consider to be a prospect. He's not an A prospect for sure. Yeah. So this. Be a C is the question.

question, yeah. Yeah. So this is this is about in some ways. It's a warm body. It's interesting. I hadn't thought about it. Of course, your head gets the spinning. You know, is there a chance that they spin off, Zach White Cloud in another deal? I don't know that it's not like they, you talk about it all the time. They've got all these right shot D. Only only a few of them at the top of that list are really NHL caliber guys that you would be happy trotting out there for more than 14 minutes a night kind of Aweeds is a very good guy. And the rest, it's like, where you've got two young kids, you know what they are, and Bristavich and Perak.

Stavich has looked great, but early returns. And Bahaul's clearly a third pair right shot guy. And he's going to be the guy that, um, if you're trying to ice your best line, I by the key, he's eating popcorn. Because Brested has had him in the rafters. Yeah, they've really shown, it's not even that they don't like him. But if there's, if there's an opportunity and they need to scratch somebody, it's Bahaul.

They have no, he seems to be at the back end of, of that list. So, uh, with White Cloud, it's 2.75. So the contract's tremendous. He's got two years left. Of course, he was part of that cup winning team back in 2023. With Hanifin missing time, he's actually led them in ice time on the back end in terms of total minutes played. But yeah, he's and everything I know about he's a great kid. He's a great person, 29.

He's not a kid anymore. So it then becomes, so they've got this pick this year for 26 from the Hanifan deal. And then the next one goes down. And then if the, well, how do they get another? first. Well, if they win the cup, well, then they'd be a 2028, the first round pick. They'd have a 26, 27, 28 first rounder of the Vegas Golden Knights if they win. And that's, that's three first rounders over the course of two deals. But again, that means you're going to have to beat Edmonton in the Pacific. And then whoever comes out of the central, which right

now, Colorado looks like a league better. Right. Like if it was a conference final, I like this deal a lot more because who's beaten Colorado right now? How do you feel about the retention? I've just, I'm just kind of watching our, our chat. I mean, it's something you charge for. So if the deal was less without it, okay. But I mean, we've seen, uh, I guess a hesitance to do it from this organization. And now all of a sudden we needed a lot about it. Yeah.

There's someone. They did it with Markstrom, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because you think about it's, okay, so there was no extension. So you didn't get paid for that, but you also gave retention. We're talking about less than half of a season. of retention.

It's probably a million bucks. But like you say, it's, it's something that has a price. So what was, if there's no retention, what does a deal look like? Is the second? Is it a fourth? Maybe it's the prospect. Who knows? Yeah.

Maybe it's a third to a second. But again, like I just, I think people's resting position with this management team right now is like, don't trust what's happening there. You know, the, we, we have. the rebiggle shirts, those are selling for a reason. There's generally speaking a lack of trust in what a plan is there and what that plan may or may not look like compared to what they're actually saying. And I think this deal is going to get negative reaction because a lot of people's emotions are

there. But again, it's a rental and you're getting a first and a second and a roster player that is a valuable asset at his cap at the NHL and a prospect who may or may not ever play. Yeah. That's not a bad return for a rental. Like, it's not. It's not. Is it the all that you were hoping with an extension?

Probably not. If Vegas wins the cup, it is. But like to suggest that this is way light, I just, I don't get it. Like, we've seen really good defensemen not get a first at some deadlines. And now you're getting a first and a second and and and people want to poo it. And I get it. It's going to be a late first this year, unless Vegas stubs their toe. And it probably is going to be a late first in 2027.

but you know, that's, that's, you got gridden late in the first. That, that's okay. Like, you just have to hit on these damn picks, whether they're, you know, pick 14, 18, 24, 32. Yeah, it's, you look at, because I was just kind of jotting notes down, you think about it. So guessing on what the Boston deal would have been. And we kind of, whether or not there was any legitimacy to what we heard about the Detroit package of a first and the former first rounder. I wonder if, if for the, if for the, if for. the flames they looked at it and said, so here's the first round, regardless of what it is.

If it's a Detroit or a Boston or a Vegas, it's in the bottom half of the first round. It's considerably, yeah, especially if you're adding Rasmus. They're playoff teams and they're expecting. Yeah, so we're going to be seeing a pick near the, near the end of the first round or somewhere in there. And then the second round, I wonder if they looked at it and just the, the prospects they were being offered. I wonder if they looked at that second and said, we're going to get more, we have more value in that second than maybe some of these prospects that they're being offered.

Like we don't know if Danielson was ever on the table from Detroit. That was the rumor. But I wonder if they look at it and say that gives us another second. Can we package two seconds to get into another late first? Can we do something with that second, which is in the end more valuable than what this prospect would be? And we say it all the time. When teams are willing to walk away from players, why is that?

I wonder if they just cash in the hand is better the cash that's already. been spent by somebody else, if that makes sense. My fear on this, and this isn't what I think happened, but if, if, if you want to hear what I'm afraid happened, it would be that they got far down the road with Boston. They thought they had a deal done. It fell apart for whatever reason, whether that was internal bickering and extension not getting done, Boston getting cold feet, whatever. And then they're like, shit, we've had this guy on trade watch.

He's waving by to the fans. Like, we got to just get this done rather than wait until, let's call it the Feb 5 Olympic freeze, because you did have another two weeks until that freeze, if my math is correct. Like it seemed to be moving very quickly towards a conclusion. And maybe they just felt like, let's just get this over with. But again, that is not what I think happened. Yeah, yeah. That is if you really wanted to place a lot of stock and this management team is dysfunctional,

they screwed this up, you could tell yourself that story, I suppose. Watching the, just watching the scene from the dome yesterday with Anderson, the end of the game sticks in the air, kind of him, you know, looking around the building. It very much felt like it was the last game. I think there is something to it. And it's not to say you take a worse deal just to get it done. At some point, you know what we've said.

Credit to Rasmus Anderson, he's been great. It's not been a distraction. If it gets into this week, it's a distraction now. Right. Where is this the last game? Because already yesterday is, should he play? Should he not play? Why is he playing?

And very truly, he could. would get hurt and then it does affect the trade. It was it was time to get something done. Like you say, the toothpaste was out of the tube. You have to take it. I do wonder what it is. You'd always just love to know. What else was there? What felt part with Boston? That's my question.

Yeah. Because we had reports out of Boston saying it was done. Again, it never got to the point where the super credible insiders, but there was a lot of smoke for that not to be very close to getting done. I wonder if Rasmus doesn't, if he just doesn't agreed to sign an extension. And that could be one of the things that happened. I know Elliot's reporting on the weekend was that Boston was the only team that met the threshold to be able to talk extension with them, that Vegas didn't get to that point. Yeah.

So we don't know the other packages. We have hypothetical internet rumors. And that's the challenge here. But if you were at the beginning of the year and you said, we're going to move Rasmus, you had to get a first. And you had to get as much more as you could out of it. They put the price as the equivalent of two firsts. And if maybe you could spin off Zach White Cloud with some retention for a second or third rounder, you probably got that. Never mind what the kid turns into, nor the condition on the second round.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of ifs, I suppose. Yeah, it is a lot of ifs. You start to go to work and, and figure out what the, you know, the Weeb kid is out of, out of North Dakota. I mean, you've followed the college level closer than I do. If you're a 22-year-old defenseman who's half a point a game, how does that usually? I don't know.

Yeah. Like, I'll go to the hockey prospecting website. But, I mean, you're absolutely less than a 50-50 being an NHLer. I mean, shit, you get to the end of the first round. You're less than 50% of being an NHLer. So I'll take a look at the probabilities, but you're not just taking a guy blind. You're obviously watching North Dakota a shit ton this year with Verhof being there. You've also got Rashny there.

You've probably watched this kid more than most front offices because you know you're going to be in that Verhof area in the draft. You've seen the kid play a ton, I imagine. So they probably like him. But that said, doesn't mean he's going to be an NHL player nor an NHL star. But it's someone that I would believe they've had a ton of viewings of given that he's on that team that's getting so many scouts watching it this year. And my guess there would be probably a 2022 draft that he's an unsigned.

You can't be playing in college if you're signed. So anyone that's playing in college is unsigned. Yeah. I guess that, yeah. One more year eligible to return to college. Based on where he's out developmentally, you probably want to offer him a contract this year. Because if he plays his final senior season there, then he just has to wait until August to become a free agent. So, yeah.

Yeah. And again, like he's, he's a kid that played in the BCHL. I imagine he's a Western Canadian that's probably not from, from Mission BC. He played with the Chilliwack Chiefs in the BC. J-HL, third year at the at UND. I see the jaceted one Mike Gould is hanging out at the dome. He's probably chopping at the bit. I'm curious for some other, if you don't mind, some other.

Yeah, let's do it. Bring him in. Some takes. Michael, you've been, you're doing warmies, you're doing afterburners, you're watching the team as close as anybody. Your thoughts, I guess, today now that Rasmus Anderson is a Vegas golden night. Yeah, how do I sound? You sound like Mike.

Yeah, that's good. Yeah, it's weird. I'm taking after my buddy Pike, who's sitting literally three seats down for me, and could probably shout it, you know, come back on the show that way if you want it. Yeah, it happened. It all went down sort of five minutes left in the third period of the Wrangler's game today. We were all kind of wondering when it would happen, and it was a zero-zero game, so we were all kind of excited finally by something. I think Pinder sort of hit the nail on the head with the whole comment about people. you know, just sort of getting a little bit emotionally invested in what they wanted the return to be as opposed to looking at face value. And I think what they did in this deal is more impressive than a lot of other deals they've made. And I mean, that might be damning with faint praise, but I think they actually did relatively well. I think, you know, the white cloud inclusion seems to be getting people a little worked up. And I get it because people are going to say, well, it's going to take away time from Perak. I think personally they needed to make trade anyway to get. get rid of another defenseman on top of Rasmus and I would expect now certainly there's a bit more of an impetus to do that because they've got a lot of guys and if i'm joel hanley or braden be hall i might be sitting here saying uh time to get out of dodge at certain point so uh but ultimately i think that it did fine i'm uh i'm pretty impressed actually uh especially given that there's no extension in place i mean on paper at this point yeah the thing about white cloud and any any anytime you do a deal with Vegas it was like uh he was a Vegas he was a Vegas

product, but what, like Paul really wasn't playing and Miramanov wasn't playing. Zach White Cloud was playing for the Vegas Golden Knights. So if you can play for Vegas, then you can play for the Calgary Flames. Make no mistake about it. You're an NHL regular defenseman. So while he's not a prospect, this isn't somebody that's going to come in and you're going to wonder, is this guy played any, any hockey? He's been a regular for one of the best teams in the Westwoods in Congress. The funny thing to me is, you know, I've been reading the chat, just waiting, waiting in the back room here. And like, you know, I see people who are saying, and I totally get why people have, you know, mixed reactions about trading with Vegas. You know, that was sort of my

first reaction in the first two minutes after the deal came out. Oh, well, okay, that's a little disappointing, I guess. But I think on paper it's fine. The thing with White Cloud, though, is that, you know, I've seen people comparing the Sanderson deal to the Brandon Carlo deal that Boston swung with Toronto last year, where it was a first in Fraser Mint. And to me, I see more similarities between White Cloud and Carlo than I do between Anderson and Carlo. And to me, I, like, I'm not saying that White Cloud is as valuable, but I think if the flames go about this the right way, and they look at moving a couple more of these defense, when they could actually come out very well ahead here. And White Cloud is on a good number.

They had to get a piece like this to make the money work in the first place. it's basically even money in and out and so it just so happened like the people who were talking about Zach Bucklebe this is the tertiary piece in a deal and it functions essentially more as a means to an end than anything actually sort of on the flames part saying

this is the guy we want to remain competitive so I get I get yeah wanting to sort of make sure that he's not keeping guys out of the lineup but at the same time I don't dislike the acquisition he's played some significant minutes for a very good team

and he's added number that I think is, that's an efficient contract. That's a valuable asset if you wanted to, A, move him or B, keep him and move off someone else. If you're the Toronto Maple Leafs, how are you not looking at Zach White Cloud and saying that's a piece we want? Or a variety of different teams that are looking to shore up their defense going forward. Again, the flames are in a spot here where even if they don't bring Zane Perak back up, which by all indications they will, they still have too many defensemen. And even before they made this deal, I was saying Joel Hanley,

Braden Pahall, these are guys who are signed through the end of next season, who the flames could be looking at moving here to capitalize, both on them maybe being a little older than some other guys in the team, but also just for the numbers game. And now I think this is a clear move that is a precursor to other moves that we're going to see.

So I'm glad that it happened because it felt like it was dragging on a little bit. And the only piece of this that I don't like, the only piece that I question is, you know, if the end game was to trade Rasmus anyway, I would have done it earlier. I would have done it over a year ago, you know, at the 2020 poll draft. Because I think at that point, you could have seen the writing on the wall even then. And that's maybe where you get into it where an extension isn't even part of the equation, which clearly seems to have changed up the marketplace here now, where it very much was. Yeah, we talked about it, but the deadline last year. And it was like, okay, are you going to get more for two playoff runs?

What about this? What about that? The one thing we didn't talk about is what's been really clear, which is moving him has been increasingly complicated the moment he was eligible for an extension. It's why talks broke down this summer and it's made the deal much more complicated. Do you let the agent talk to the team before or after you get a deal with the GM? Is he a rental? Is he unsigned?

Like, this is a much simpler deal a year ago. and as soon as they brought him into July 1 and beyond, I think this is a much more complex deal than the one they could have had at the deadline last year. Who knows what the return would. They had a clear case study with Noah Hanofin. It was the exact same scenario. And to me, that should have been more of a harbinger

that, I mean, ultimately at the end of the day, you can talk about preaching, patience, and wanting to do right by players. But ultimately, this is a recurring theme, and I think the flames need to be a little bit more, a little bit more proactive in that. sense. But I still think that they've done all right. I still think even with that maybe lack of proactivity, I think given what Anderson was last season when he was one of the worst plus minus

players in the entire national hockey league and clearly, like looked a lot like McKenzie Weeger does right now. I think there is a very good chance that the flames did better than maybe they could have at a different point. And I am very interested to see how it moves forward from here. I think, you know, if there is something to be learned, maybe you extend, maybe you, you, you, you, you, you start to look at Blake Coleman and Osam-Caudry a little bit more intently now, instead of letting that drag out. But Mike, they have another year on Blake Coleman's

deal, and we'll just bring him into next year, and there won't be any extent. Like that, that's a little brainer. So, but yeah, funny to be at the dome when it was all going down. This is my first time in the dome all season, and of course, they make the... Hold on, sir. So I take full responsibility.

I should have known what was happening. I was sitting down in the event level, or in the the lower bowl during the second period. And all of a sudden at one point, there was Pascal and there was Jelana, and there were a few other guys in the big box in 109-10, and they all just left the room. I should have known something was going to happen.

So, yeah, it's exciting. And maybe there will be more to come here from the dome today. Thank you, Michael. Thank you, Ian. Thank you, Ryan. Have a good one. There's Mike Gould, down at the dome. Of course, the host of Warmy's.

My favorite. It does. It does make you now, and we've talked about it a lot with with Reth. And I know he kind of gets, he has dander up. He's like, well, just sign him. Or why does he have the power? And I think you and I are more on the same page. Trade him, but you cannot be angry at him for not signing a eight or eight year extension or a seven year extension so that your return is better.

You'd love it if you're a flames fan. You'd love that to be the case. But you can't begrudge him for not doing it. And I have to wonder if that's in the end, that was. was what happened in Boston. And you go back to last year, remember Drager told us, he's like, there was a deal. Like you would have, your eyes would have glazed over if you'd have seen the return coming from the L.A. Kings, but Raspus wouldn't sign an extension.

So I get why, when you hear that, if you're a fan, you're like, son of a bitch, like, what was it? How good could it have been? Yeah. You can't force a guy to sign another six, seven years of his life so that they get a better prospect or a higher pick. Well, here's the thing. If you want a trade a guy without the extension, you have to do it last deadline.

Like, no one can even, has it been allowed to talk extension? Like, you chose a more complicated route. You had the ability to trade him without any circus of an extension, which allows the agent and the player a ton of leverage. He's got a 16 no trade. I don't even believe Vegas or the, the LA Keys was on that list. He just wasn't willing to extend. Yeah.

If you traded them at last year's deadline, there is zero. conversation about the extension. You're buying an asset that's got a year and a half left. End of conversation. Yeah. Um, and I, you know, they're going to probably talk and convince themselves into keeping Blake Coleman into his last year. It's like, I get he's older, but like, again, I know, we've talked about it and you know what a guy's in his last year. Yeah, like, you know how I feel about it. And it's only because it's all they've ever done is until they're really kind of up against it. Now, did this, again, this deal, it's mid, mid-January essentially.

It's early in terms of the trade deadline, but I think that the Olympic roster freeze played a part in that. I don't know if we're here today if there is no Olympic roster freeze. I agree with that. And I'm with you. I think something, they must have been close and Rasmus just that maybe he decides, well,

no, I'm not going to sign. And that's like, well, we can't continue to drag this out. Maybe you can. Maybe Vegas would have. Maybe other teams would have.

But the sense, And to me, at least seems to be to just get the deal done. And I get why I think people are kind of chafed about it. Yep. You know, by the time this pick shows up, and if they use it in 2027, the first rounder, Rasmus is going to be another year and a half older. Rasmus today is a tremendous hockey player and he's going to be very good for the Golden Knights. Yeah.

And it's hard to kind of take that step back away and, and, And this draft pick, whoever they pick in 2027 is going to be a first rounder. Rass is going to be 33, 34. You're going to look back. And I feel like there's an opportunity. It was a good deal. Right? But it's just right now because the player coming back is 29 and he's a defenseman

that isn't as good as the one you're giving up. And draft picks are kind of like, it's like getting a gift card at Christmas. It's like eventually it'll probably be good. But right now it's just a piece of plastic in a box. Yeah. It's not very excited. so I understand because I'm kind of there with with people. You start hearing about some names.

Who's the center prospect going to be? And it's another right shot D who's on his way to being 30. So it's it's about the drop picks. And I just wonder if the second rounder, if they looked at it says, yeah, maybe it becomes a first if they win the cup. But it's a first and a second. And I think Mike said it.

It certainly puts you back. into a spot to be able to move a defenseman. Yeah. I might even be White Cloud. It might be White Cloud. It feels like he'd be a good fit here. Brian Dumolin got a second at last year's deadline. I think there's a lot of GMs that would have Zach White Cloud had a Brian Dumlin.

Yeah. Like, and again, like just, and he made a great point. This isn't about Zach White Cloud. This was the contract that had to move for this deal to make financial sense. But it is a positive value asset. It is not a guy making way more money than he, earns that you cannot move. And it's quite the opposite.

And if you really wanted to spice up these pile of assets, he'd half his salary and move him out at one point, something. And look, if you got a first and two seconds and one of the seconds could turn into a first, that sounds like a lot for a rental. It's just that it's Vegas and everyone thinks he's extending. Yeah. And the thing with White Cloud, he's got this year and then two more left, that part doesn't feel like a guy that's going to get traded right away.

2.75 million today is that's good value. It would seem to only to get better as the cap goes up. And if he continues to play, I don't know. I just, if this was, if he was a, a UFA, then yeah, maybe you do move him as well. But it's, it is curious to me. We have too many D right now. And if you move, McKenzie, we were to left all the slots better. But they've shown a hesitance to do that since, you know, they made the two trades a couple seasons ago.

He's played exclusively on the right. and if he's on the right and white clothes on the right, and then you have one spot for Pahal Brestevich, so I don't know. Like, I think it's probably, you just move him to the left, but there's going to be interest for depth defensemen at the deadline like there always is,

and you're not going to get high picks, but you'll get picks for guys like Pahal and Hanley because you can't have an FD. You watch the flames in 04, and it's like, yeah, they were down to their ninth organizational depth defenseman. It wasn't good enough. They needed one more guy. That might have been the difference.

And I wonder if you knew he was worth a second, for example, like just the value of the player. And they gave you a second instead of this player. I just feel like there'd be less vitriol, even though it might be the same value asset. Yeah, if it was just another second round or something as well, who is the, yeah. I feel for this poor kid, we, but it's like, what? He's like, he's just playing hockey and all of a sudden he's added.

Maybe, maybe now as he's 22. if you go back to that draft, he'd be a second or third round pick. He's thought he's fault. He was a seventh. More details, I guess, coming in on this. As you can expect, everybody's kind of following. This is from Frege, Elliot Friedman, with Steinberg. Rassless Anderson indicated today he wouldn't be signing an extension with anybody at this time.

That took leverage away from Calgary, knocked out Boston, Vegas became the preferred deal. So that's, there you go. that makes all the sense. And you know what, in a way, I guess good on Anderson. So let's clear this up. I'm not going to sign an extension, which I guess is well and good, but. That's his right.

It's his right. And that's what happens when you walk a guy passed, you know, July 1 into his last year. This was not any component of a conversation a year ago. You were not allowed to talk extension with Rasmus Anderson a year ago. Yeah. And like if that's how you want to play the asset management game, here you are.

But look, I mean, we all assume he's signing in Vegas. Can we play the hypothetical? What if he signs elsewhere this summer? Now who wins the deal? Yeah, that's like it could be two firsts and he walks. You got two months of a guy for two firsts and a roster player. Like that's a landslide win for Calgary. Now, we're playing the if game.

Yeah, that's the best case if it would be two firsts and that he walks. Yeah. I would think the claims, if they want to make a two firsts, go ahead. You can keep them. You can sign him if you want when he's 30, almost 31, and you've won a cup and it's two firsts.

It's coming to Calgary. But, um, like they really only bought two months, three months, maybe four months of Rasmus, but we all just assume the extension's coming. That's where we're at. Well,

and it's, because we saw it in. Yeah, part of it is because it's Vegas and they seem to do that. And two, he was, that was one of the teams we were told a year ago that he,

he would be interested in going to her signing with. So unless that's changed, it's hard not to imagine that he signs in Vegas again. There's also part of me wondering about how this growing cap and his excellent season have changed things because he would have had NASCAR coming off that miserable season. And then it's like, well, now he's kind of looking like if there was such thing as an All-Star game, he'd be going for your team. He's having a phenomenal season by most measures in terms of like scoring, physicality, leadership. you know, he's been durable as hell.

And you look more at last year. And you're like, yeah, like, it was a bad year. And he was playing on a broken leg. Like, obviously he wasn't that bad. And the other side of the pressure point on free agency is like, there's going to be lots of teams spending. Like, is he a $10 million defenseman if you're the New York Rangers and you're crazy? Yeah, I don't know.

Maybe. Yeah, I don't know. Like if Alex Tuck can make Kempay money, why wouldn't Rasmus asks for 10? I don't know. Like, he clearly wants the right to at least get closer to free agency. And he does that by not signing an extension as part of this deal. Yeah. And the thing about July 1 is that's going to be well after his season and comes to an end.

Yeah. He's going to have time. I guess it depends now that he's, you know, a Vegas golden night. But it's not a, if you could let us know in 24, 48 hours. And I guess that's how it goes July 1, but they all know what the options are going to be. It's sometimes. I mean, Johnny, no one thought he was going to Columbus, including Johnny, but it's like, yeah, usually these big name guys, like no one was surprised that Marner ended up in Vegas. Now, technically it was a sign in trade, but we get it. He was going to sign there and then they made a deal. Yeah, like, I'm intrigued. There's a part of me that wants to believe he won't sign in Vegas that I think everyone's just already jumped there. They're like, but he is going to extend there. He's like, well, he's likely going to. Well, I don't know. Like, what are the percentages?

Now, refresh my memory because they make the Hannafin trade. That goes back to 20, 24, March of 2024 for a first rounder. And there's no extension. Yeah. But then Hannaf and signs. Pretty quickly. Yeah. They make the trade for Tomash Hurtle at the trade deadline.

I thought he had term left, but I might be. He may have had term. And then the Marner thing where they, you know, he signs, but then they had to give compensation back. There's always just always a little something with Vegas, you know, it's. Yeah, they seem real, like I said, they've got the Dodgers vibes. It seems like a little bit greasy and they always find a way to game the system. And oh, Petrangelo is just not going to play anymore. And well, this guy's on LTIR.

And we're going to trade this guy here despite, you know, getting a dad and not a year ago. Right. So there it is there. Yeah, Hadifun. Just pulling up his contract. Signed an eight-year deal on April 11th. April would have been about a month after, right?

Yeah, there it's March 6th. Plus, yeah, yeah. And it's a three-team trade because I think Philly kept some money in there as well. Correct. Yeah. And then a little over a month later. What's the over under? When does Rasmus sign before or after April 11th?

That'll be the, or I guess whatever that is, a month and five days after this trade is. I believe if I'm correct, because they've acquired them now. they can offer that eighth year, which will theoretically help them lower that EAV, if that's what they're inclined to do. They clearly like the player. I think he's having a great year. He's going to help a team a lot. And maybe just maybe, Dean, it's not this trade, but it's the teams they beat along the way.

That could be the winner in the steel. It feels like they're on a collision course of the Oilers. But then on, yes, there's that. And if you want to beat some of the, it's like, well, you're, you're, you're Now for every Vegas win they get makes this year's first rounder worse. Yeah. So you've effectively, right? You're, uh, you're sewering your own first rounder that's coming back to you if

Anderson leads them to more wins. Now, if you can turn a second into a first, then that's worth it. But if they're just going to lose to Colorado anyway, it's like, fuck. Yeah. Right. It's, it's, you have to admire the ruthlessness with what, yes, they operate. I guess when you have the bank roll and the building and the city and the taxes and the climate, you have all that, you can be, you can strut around a little bit, you know, pop your chest out a little bit more. You have that kind of swagger because of everything that's involved. But they don't give a shit about anybody's feelings. Nor the rules. Yeah.

They whatever. Oh, well, gosh, like wait for them. I'm surprised in a way. They've not done any offer sheets. Because if it seems like if there's a team that wouldn't care about offer sheeting a player. It would be Vegas. Take the picks. We don't care. We'll take the player. Oh, you may not deal with us down the road? Who gives a bleep? Yeah.

And again, we kept, when we saw the deal for Hannif and you're like, well, that's three years down the road. That's a long way. Maybe they're getting old by then. No, no. They've gone and got Marner and they've, you know, put Petrangelo out to pasture and are using his cabspace elsewhere and on and on and on. It's impressive what they've been able to do. And to your point, it's based on a pedigree of only winning. and a really desirable place to be.

And when does the Mark Stone thing happen? Does that, because he can't do it now because he's going to the Olympics. If he gets hurt now, they'll have to have a replacement. New rules. New rules. You have to be cap compliant in the playoffs. Right. They need Mark Stone in the playoffs.

So that won't be happening. Yeah. So he's, uh, I do wonder about the cap compliance with, if it's half retained, I guess Rasmus would only count as half of for the playoffs. That would make sense. Mm. Anyway. Anyway, I mean, first, a second, a roster player and a B to C prospect.

That's your return for a rental that doesn't feel like a rental. Yeah, four assets for for Rasmus Anderson. One of them is a first and one of them is the worst case, a second. Yeah. That can become a first. Some super chats and stuff have been coming in. We can, I can bang away at some of those. And yeah, I mean, there's a lot of, um, this is from Daniel Inferno, five, uh, is that

euros? This trade smells like a rotten bean salad. I see. Beans salad. Got that bean salad. I don't know that it does. I get that there's disappointment. I don't think that anybody's going to look at this and say that the flames got fleeced.

It's just not that type of a deal. You can you can want more. And we talk about it all the time. Careful how much you value your guys. This isn't Quinn Hughes. It is Rasmus Anderson. Yeah. Right?

This is not a Norris trophy guy. This is not a heart trophy guy. This is a very good defenseman, but he's a 29-year-old on an expiring contract who is very good, but not great. You got a first and a second and a, it's okay to be disappointed, but it's not, I don't think it's being sold. Again, if we told you in the summer, they'd move him as a rental and you got a first to second to roster player and a kid who we don't know how good he is. People are getting mad that I'm assigning letters. I don't know what letter is. That's the point.

That actually stripped back. Sounds like a pretty damn good deal on a rental. It's just that it doesn't feel like a rental. Again, competing myself. Sorry. What else we got? Another one coming in. Scotty.

Another overwhelming return for Conroy. We'll see. That is the challenge of all these deals. Is that you don't get to see what the picks are until they're made. like, uh, repaned the Lindholm deal pretty hard for a while. And now you see Bristewicz and Gridden and you're like, holy shit, that was a haul. Like it does take years, right? And those guys are just in their infancy of becoming NHLers.

I mean, what it does too. And again, I'm not carrying water. And I people are, people are kind of saying that you're, they're accusing you of being optimistic. I've been known to be a, a water toter for the Calgary Flames Dean. I've got a long track record of just, you know, blindly supporting what the flames do and I'm very hesitant to say anything critical of the team

so that would check out. Right. You don't need to use these picks at the draft. You can use them to trade. We saw what Montreal trade two firsts for Noah Dobson. Not to say that's the type of move, but teams, it's a first rounder for other teams too if you trade them to them. They get to use them at the draft and they're getting to the point now.

They're getting a lot of draft picks. They have two this year. They have two in 27, and they might have two and 28. They have won for sure in 20. Yeah. And they have not moved Cadre or Coleman or even talked about Fairby or any other guys. Like if you could end up with essentially six first rounders the next three years, they're at five. Like, that's kind of what a rebuild is.

You just have to hit on these picks. I don't think it's a bad return. Like, is it overwhelming slam dunk? No. But he's a rental at this point. Like, did you expect multiple firsts with no conditions for a rental? Like, when have you seen that? When have we seen that?

Two firsts for a rental? Yeah, but it's not two firsts, right? No, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying is that, like, were people expecting that? But even this isn't much lighter than that. Even, I mean, I'll be honest, this doesn't have the same whoop as the Elias Lindholm return from Vancouver does. You were intrigued by Bristavich as a young kid.

Okay. Well, look, he's in the Ontario League. points. He was a, you know, there was that plus the pick. Well, and I think Kuzmenko was a big part of that too, because he had a 39 goal campaign the year prior. Um, but yeah, like it's it doesn't have the same pop. And I think there's also a lot more animosity towards this front office than there was back then, too. Um, that plays our role. Yeah. Now, what we really need is to hear that certain people and men have gotten away of a different deal. Then we can really, I don't think we'd shake her fists. I think I feel like this has enough feel.

to it. Yeah, if you want to get on, we're super chatting. Little donation. We donate the money to the U.S. Centers of Calgar. We'll get you on. There's something. $7. The re-biggle begins. Hope Raz helps Vegas beat the oiler greasers out and win up. Good return, in my opinion. Now trade Uyger and fire Maloney. Mission McKenna 20. I say. Don't need to fire anybody. You can trade guys if you want. If they, yeah, above all, I'll beat the oilers.

But, yeah, I feel like Vegas is going to be a good spot for RAS. Is he going to play with Noah? Sure. Or not. Either way. They could feel free to play better than they did against the Oilers in 22. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah, look, they got, it's a good team, really good team. They're big, they're talented. They got great leadership. That Barnes insane. Like, why not them out of the Pacific? I'm just going to throw this one up here. I expected a late first and at least a B plus prospect for a guy that any team could slide in as their second.

a third D. So you got the late first. Can you not draft a B-Pras prospect in round two with that second rounder? Or trade White Cloud for one? Like that's, because that's kind of what it is. Yes. That's what you get in round two is a B prospect-ish, maybe not B-pl-again, who's giving out the letter grades? Yeah. If this, if this wasn't, I do. I wonder if some of the other trades had a first and a, or something else. And it was like, you know, we'll take the second rounder rather than rather than a player who's already got some miles on him, and we think we know by now that what he's not going to be, as opposed to maybe what you could do with the second.

Yeah, like Bash is the second rounder. He kind of feels like a B prospect right now. He's, you know, obviously there's injuries and all that. But like, that's kind of what they got. It's just that the guy that's the roster player turns 30 soon. And people are losing their minds. Like, well, that's still in that valuable asset. It doesn't mean he has to play here until the end.

knowing them they'll probably trade them as a UFO in two years. There's this one here. The frustrating thing is no A prospects in return for any of our trades. Example, Montreal got Suzuki when they traded patcher ready. There is that. And I talked about this last year.

Even when the, when the Giroux trade from Philadelphia was made with Florida. Juru went to Florida. It didn't pan out there. And I'm trying to remember, the big redheaded guy they got in return. Who's with the flyer now.

The top prospect, lost some luster at the time. Yeah, that's what it kind of is to me. It's just, it's never been, ooh, they got, they got their first rounder. They got their kid that they drafted. They've got the picks. But the pieces that have come along with it. Now maybe, maybe Rasmus isn't what Patcheretti was then, maybe.

Owen Tippett is who you're thinking of, by the way. Thank you. Yeah. Because Owen Tippett. He was a first rounder. And the players, the Miramanovs, the Grishnikovs, the guys who have come along with, have not had much sizzle for sure. Prestavich should be the best of the bunch, I'd think.

I think that's probably fair. But it's not like they're lacking in prospects, but you're right. It's just the deals haven't included other teams' best prospects. Like when you saw Tanna at the Dallas, you're like, okay, is it Maverick Borg? Is it, you know, who's the guy that went? Is it Stan Colvin?

But like, you're not getting that for rentals. Like, they literally got that so they could extend ranting in for eight years with some first with them. But like, those are hard guys It's probably out. The rental market isn't full of teams given you grade A prospects back. It is, yeah, it is what it is.

It has been what it is. Like, honestly, this trade comes in the band of reasonable expectations. The only thing that makes it tough is it doesn't feel like you're trading a rental, but he is. He's not signed. Yeah. Next one there, Jackie Boy.

I assume it's chocolate's working back there. It is Jack. was assuming. There's Ken. 20 bucks. Ken wants in. You guys are making the best of a bad situation. This deal stinks of behind the scenes Vegas Tom Foolery. I could have wiped my ass and got

a better return. Sorry fellas, this absolute bullshit. Layman's terms, they got fleeced. Again, I get if you want, I mean, it's the first and a second at minimum and a roster player. That's not nothing. It's an 18 minute. It's an 18 minute

a night defenseman for the Vegas golden night. not for their American hot, not for the Henderson Silver Knights. For the Vegas Golden Knights, he plays a regular shift. He is not a prospect, but he is a player, a first rounder, and a second,

and then another prospect. And it's not, it just isn't a fleecing. You can be disappointed that it's not a slam dunk win. Because that's the other thing I think is, Flames are going to, they're going to crush whoever they trade with. Get ready,

because whoever gets Rasmus is losing this deal. deal. It's the kind of the way it was feeling. It's kind of the way the way that people wanted this to be. But I'm with you. I'm not, I'm not super jacked about it. It's not important. Because the sexy part of it is, is the picks that are over a year away. So it's hard to be excited today about it. The other thing that I'd chat with someone about recently is like, remember the year that they decided to sell Jay Beaumester and Jerome McGinla and they had three firsts. could they have done better in that draft with those picks? Hell yeah.

I mean, Monaghan was great, but then I believe it was Emil Porre and Morgan Klimchuk, who were guys you selected at the end of the first round that didn't pop. You probably could have picked better players in those slots, but some years, it's just not robust. I understand the present value of a first, 26 is higher than 27, but internally they might like that draft class better and say, look, we don't need a third 26. Vegas doesn't have one to offer or not that, you know, they were debating with that.

but I like the idea of having 2.26, 2, 27, 2, like, spread them out. You don't know. We thought this was going to be an epic draft class, and it looks solid, but not necessarily great at all. Yeah. Yeah. I have a question quick. If he was only ever going to be trade. It's Jack.

Hello. Jack. If he was only ever going to be traded as a rental, why did they trade him now? Well, we talked about it off the top. It kind of felt like in a weird way of the train had left the station, and they wanted clarity by the Olympic break. And they're playing eight of their next nine before the Islanders game. So seven of the next eight at home.

And it's just like, I feel like maybe the cat got out of the bag and they just said, we got to take a deal now. And this is within what we want, what our ask was. Yeah, like I'm kind of with you. And I don't know. Maybe like maybe like you, like they said, You grab your nuts and give them a twist and say, okay, well, if you're not going to sign an extension, you're only going to be a rental, then we're going to sit on this because we're not happy with what these trades are. And you then run the risk of him going to the Olympics and getting hurt.

You're just playing tomorrow against the devils and getting hurt. His play diminishing and they get less. It just, I guess what it, I'm curious, I guess. Anderson at some point must have said he would be willing to talk extension with some teams. And then soured upon that. If I'm his agent, I'm not letting him sign anywhere until the summer. So if, I wonder how that affected things in the short term here as far as the timing. Because like Elliot had said, Boston is believed to have gotten, like you say, past that threshold, got the permission to talk extension.

and then Anderson says no and probably just said you know what F it I'm not just I'm not signing right now trade me go ahead trade me

and I can understand what he's I get it I feel like I would be the same way I signed a contract however many years six years seven years ago I'm going to be a free agent

this summer I've waited a long time we've worked on a deal we haven't gotten anything you can trade me go ahead and trade me I'm going to try and be a good guy but I'm not going to take

my family my life and make a snap decision so that you get an extra first round pick the team that I'm no longer playing for. I'm just, you can't expect the guy to do it. You had that chance this time last year. Yeah, you can't expect to go to that opportunity when you take him past the deadline last year.

And that's what they did. And so if they're underwhelmed, they can look at the mirror at that part, but I do believe this was in the band of what their ask was, if he's going to go without an extension. It's a lot for a rental. You don't have to like the player of the prospect.

They're the two most insignificant pieces in a way. Yeah. So to your point, Jack, yeah, you don't. So then if you're Conroy, you can say, okay, then we're not doing a deal right now. If there is no extension, there's no need for us to do this right now. We thought we were close. We're not with we got games. Let's let's keep playing.

But I do wonder behind closed doors how it must have been feeling over the last couple of games. You're on that road trip. You come home. Everybody's talking about it. It looked like Rasmus knew. was leaving. Yeah. Do you bring him back into the room?

I don't know. Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's something. But it seems like they just said, well, it's just time to get a deal done. Almost Markstrom-esque in a way. It's like, well, you wait, you know, with the waving of the no move, this sort of that. Oh, now they're not going to retain. Yeah. Okay.

You know what? Just get this deal done. Just make this trade. Just do it to get it done rather than let it linger. Do you guys think he plays with Noah again? Let's look at their depth charts and see what we can do. Noah. A Noah guy.

Yes, or Noah. I don't know. Thanks. Thanks there, Yoda. Two bucks. Sure. There's familiarity there. Why not?

But I feel like Rasm is going to be able to fit in wherever there. I wonder. Just looking at who they got where, like, I believe. Petrancholo is a right shot guy, if I'm remembered correctly. It sounds like he's done playing hockey. I don't know if they've told him that or if he's told them that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Vegas thing.

But they'll have some options. I mean, Shea Theodore is a hell of a player. You know, they had Nick Hague and traded him away this summer. We saw him in Nashville creating problems with the flames. Like they're going to have some options of what to do with their D. And it's a really, really good team. It's a really, really good team. Like, let's look at the Lozon, Theodore, Hanifin, Anderson.

Right now is their top four. And I would expect that, you know, Lausanne would move out of there when they get healthy. Yeah, with Petrangelo being out, it definitely makes them a candidate to do a deal like this, right? We talked a lot about Dallas and how their need would have been. With Petrangelo, their big minute eater on the right side, done maybe forever.

Then, yeah, you need Rasmus now and moving forward because he is an upgrade over Z. white cloud. So you're able to allocate those minutes a little bit better. And Petrangelo, they need that money just to get Marner done. Like they basically are like, here's where we're at, Alex. How bad are you? Okay, he's done forever. They've already written them off for the whole season. And this is almost a cash neutral deal with the flames eating half and White Cloud coming back. But like, they need to replace that player to your point. Like Petrangelo is a huge, big minute guy on the blue line. And now they got a 29 year old instead of a hurt 36-year-old.

Yeah. Next up. I hope that answers your question, Jack. Thanks for calling. Pretty, pretty, pretty good. Glad it's done, says old pinchy 279. Yeah, it's done. It's tiths.

We haven't talked about the one thing that is very clear, which is that this team will not play as well without Rasmus Anderson as it has with Rasmus Anderson. and that's going to help their draft positioning, Dino. I don't think that's a crazy statement to make. It would seem that that's the case, not only because, again, it sounds like a shock, but you're going to White Cloud. He's going to pick up those minutes.

He's going to play probably right wherever Rasmus was. Or you're giving him to Brestevich or someone. Yeah, it's not as good as Rasmus. But Rasmus has been putting up points and has been tremendous. He's had point streaks. He's been their best defenseman by a wide margin. I don't know. Is it, are they guaranteed, is it two extra losses now?

Is it three that you can tackle? I don't know how you do that you measure half. Yeah, no, that's a good question. But we just know that, you know, last year this team was in a playoff spot and they didn't move this player and they didn't really sink. Well, this year it's a different story. They aren't in a playoff spot. They did sell a guy.

there's not someone on the flames that is going to be as good as Rasmus Anderson for the 24 or whatever he was playing this year. And that, you know, gives you a better probability of picking even higher. And hopefully for a lot of the people that are, you know, fans of this organization, it's not the only deal they make before the deadline. And maybe this interaction with a guy with one year left and selling rentals is what we do. Maybe this isn't fun and it's painful. And you pivot a bit on what we expect, you know, their history has taught us about what they'll do with Blake Coleman. Yeah. Maybe they should move them now.

I'm done with dealing with this bullshit about extensions. Yeah. However you want to, like you say, do the math on wins and losses now the rest of the way. They're worse. I think they're worse. And I wonder what it does to some of the mood in the room. Even if you knew it was coming. Yeah.

It was still Rasmus. He was out there. He's staring at the people after he scores in the crowd. And he's like he's a leader. He's a heart and soul guy in that room. I would think he takes up a lot of the emotion in that. locker room and it's now gone. But I, and it's well and good.

It's like anything else. Well, he's probably, it's probably going to be over soon. Once it's over and especially with hockey, it happens fast. He will be at the rink today. We'll get his shit. He is on a plane. Gone. It's not like you've got a few days to, well, you want to get around a golf in before you leave.

It isn't that. He's just gone and the new guy's in. So I do wonder about someone like Codry specifically. And I'm not saying, he's not a powder, but his, Clay has not been strong post Christmas. And he almost, I wonder if he is, if almost he more than Coleman, because Coleman, I feel like he can, not that he's more of a pro. It's just a gut.

I feel like Nazim will have a harder time emotionally dealing with what, another lost season in the standings than Blake. And we know that if Cadry's going to happen in the short term, the best way for that to happen is for Rasmus to ask out. And to your point, it looks like a guy where the body language is in the new year, not where it was when they got all the way within a point of a playoff spot. In fact, it kind of is unfortunately reminiscent of like the end of that lost Daryl season where it's like, ooh, like it doesn't look like he's enjoying coming to work,

whereas the bulk of this season, it's been like, God, he's been good. He controls a situation. The moment Nazam Khadri asks out, like, they're going to go working at that. And that would be very helpful to this team. And for Nazim, if he wants to try to win a cup before he's done. He's 38 at the end of this contract. Yeah. Like if the biggest thing on his list of priorities is winning another cup, say the word.

Just ask out. Like it's not happening here, but by the time this contract's up, I'm sorry. Like, they're not winning a cup in three years. Weger's another guy that'll be a curious watch for me, just how, you know, what, it's, it's a been a real struggle and I don't think it has anything to do with Raspus and his contract or anything but now all of a sudden because it just felt like with with Wigger he was always paired with the weaker partner those rassas right it's it was like Rasmus and ball that's he always had that so now it feels like it's I think it'd just be kind of subconscious where it's like I need to now I need

to do even more I'm even more of the guy back there even while my whatever Rasmus is gone not Now what do I have to, how big do I have to step up? You can't expect them to, but he's another guy. Kevin Ball, we've never seen it. That's right. Yeah. Like, like, weir's basically been a babysitter. The whole, since they made the deals with Tannivan Hanofin.

Like, it's been a shit ton of Miramanovin Hanley last year. Add bean to the mix this year. And now it's Kuznetsov, who is just a puppy, who we've liked. But like, show me the steadying veteran presence. that Uighurs played with in the last two years. There isn't one. It hasn't had a guy. It might help them.

We maybe just need to get over it, but this would all have a bit of a different feel and tone if they said, no, we're approaching this. We know it's going to be a long year. We're going to try and maximize assets. We're going to pick high in the draft. Right? Like if all of this was under the premise of we are what we are, we know what we are, and we want to turn this around in a hurry, it would just, it would all feel.

a whole lot different. I would. Yep. But, uh, nonetheless, uh, sorry, Jack, there we go. Uh, the Vegas effect, uh, TM over at the 6-9 Vegas effect is clouding things, but it would be nice if they were a little more proactive going forward. I think that's a really, really thoughtful comment. Like if this wasn't Vegas, like let's say it's Carolina. Yes. How different would the, because now everyone's like, it's Vegas. They're going to resign them anyway. Where if it was Carolina. You're like, well, it's only a rental. That's actually not a bad return. Yeah. He's calling it out. It's a great comment. Yeah. It's the fucking Dodgers signing your free agent. I think it was, uh, it was an owl or whoever said there was some tom foolery. You may even say,

uh, suggest some chicanery. Sure. Yeah, or skull duggery a foot with, uh, whatever Vegas is involved. So yeah, it's and they are, yeah, they're the black hat. They're easy. These guys, they don't care. They take names. They care. All. of that sort of thing. Well, I guess, I guess so. But I would suggest maybe you need to get over it. They gave you a first and a second and a player for a guy who was leaving town. It's not, I would like to know what the other offers were.

We'll never know. Yeah, the rumor. But they picked this one, right? Like they picked this one. They know that Vegas is going to have a pick in the, maybe the bottom five. Who knows? Yep.

They know all of this. But this was the. the package. Is it because it's a, it's not a first and a third of the players? It's because it's a first and a second. Is it because the second can become a first? Is it because white cloud is better than any other player that was involved? What was it about this? Right. That made them say yes. I feel like they were probably going to get something done here in the short term regardless after Rasmus kind of says no more extensions. Um, they, uh, by the way, the standings have Vegas by points. percentage sitting in sixth in the NHL.

So if it was just the upside outstandings, you could expect that to be like, what, pick 27 or 28? Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't affect the pick from this from this trade, obviously, but they have the Vegas first from the Hanof and trade, which. Right. But then again, like, if they don't get past Edmonton, all of a sudden, it's like,

oh, well, they're, you know, there's, you might get this in the lower 20s rather than the later 20s. We don't know. You'd probably like them to win it because another first would trump you falling six or eight spots in the draft. Yeah. There's always that wrinkle, right? If they win it, then it's the last. But then you get another first because it's the, but if that, oh, well.

That guy's only 15 now. Like, but it doesn't matter with the first. Uh, moving on. Billy Hold. 499. Col and Codry trades will become cumbersome such as this one. The culture concept is tiresome. granted

trees trees contract complicates the team meaning the what's a living contract that were signed like the codger contract

probably is what he's talking about there um Coleman's isn't a problem to tell you that 4.90 here but I do like

the point you made earlier about like if there's some veterans on the fence about am I committed to be in Calgary or not the steel doesn't

help them say I want to stay more no no this one's a bit of a kick in the shins for sure. Yeah. And it was like shit, man. Like after we beat Philly on New Year's Eve, like we were a point out. Like, fuck.

Better call my agent. Yeah. And I'm not sure how many guys there are in that. Oh, there's two. There's some guy. Bennett and Kachachan, Hanifan and Anderson, almost Johnny and Manny. I hope Vegas wins. So our ownership group can watch another yet another flame win the cup.

As they beat Edmondson on the way, I'm in for that, baby. And you get another. first. I get, listen, I, there's, there's again, like we talk about,

there's today, this, this live thing we're doing, it's both the trading of Rasmus Anderson to the Vegas Golden Knights. Then there's the bigger picture. Flames fans have watched Bennett, leave and win a cop and a con smite,

watched Kachuk leave and when a Hannafin leaves and then signs an extension and is now loving life in Vegas. You know, Johnny moves on. All, when is it, when does the tide turn? When is it the flames get to kind of pick off other teams' bones?

And that young player, that young stud, that guy that didn't develop there, he's in Calgary because of what they're building, because of how strong a culture, because of what it means to be a Calgary flame. It feels like we're a long ways away. Yeah. Well, and a new rink helps that. And to be fair, if you really want to tear it down a little further, that can speed things up too. but if you're going to hold on to guys just until their UFAA season

it might be a while because there is it's great hey happy for Benny happy for happy happy happy for those guys not as happy as you could have been if they were still wearing the flaming sea but still happy about them

and the rink you can you know the ranks of building that's infrastructure that's brick and mortar but if the same their office to be fair yeah like if the same thing if everything is the same, you move all the gear and then, you know, the culture and the way of how it's being done, if it continues as well. I don't know that it's, that it hasn't changed already because it does take time. The drafts seem like they've been better and they have not,

I don't know. I see a lot of, oh, this is another mismanagement of that. I don't know. Could they have traded them last year? Sure, they could have. We don't know what that. And there again, we don't know what the offers were. We don't know. Would it have been better than this? Maybe. Was it world's worse or better? I don't know. They lost the bloody tie break to get in the playoffs. So he was not unimportant last year either. I don't agree with that tact, but they nearly fucking did it.

Yeah. So I think, but I, this is a hard. I get why this is a tough one for flames fans. Because as somebody is texting, a good friend of the show, I hate the return. We can't score. We get an average D man, a seventh round pick, and a. late first. How does this make us better?

And you could argue the only way it's better is if the first round pick works out, because Zach White Cloud's not going to make you better. And that's the only way this turns into a good deal. But you can also, because I wanted to make sure I knew what the hell I was talking about, remember how Rass was came to be a Calgary play. Second rounder. It was the second rounder that was in the Sven Berci deal. It's like, well, you drafted this guy in the first round,

and all you got back was a second. Well, this sucks. Well, they used the second on Rasmus Anderson. And then he played for eight full seasons and was great for you. Now, you didn't win a cup, but you won that trade. Because Barrett's career. Lance blood, right? It was close.

You absolutely. And at the time, you thought you lost it, but you absolutely slammed dunk won it. So you got a decade of a top four defenseman or eight years or something, plus all these assets you got back. now for Sven Berci. Like, it's a fucking landslots. One of the best trades in franchise history if you're looking at it that way.

But yeah, like if you're waiting to see this, you know, gold star future superstar prospect come in, they're going to be disappointed. Those guys don't go for rentals. Like, look, Miko Ranton left Carolina and they got two firsts that are going to be late and a guy that's going to be a really pain in the ass middle six-winger.

Was, what's the fucking Rantaninan? Was Patcheretti a UFA when they did that Suzuki deal? I don't recall, but it was one for one. It wasn't like it came with a first as well, and they had to wait for four or five years. And if you look where RAS was at in four or five years, like, no, I know. There's a really good chance that whoever you're picking first

is going to be in a better spot than that. And again, there's a ton of UFAs that are traded every year for young prospects or picks or whatever, and that's one that pops out. So, okay, they, you know, and there's Vegas. Like, they definitely lost that deal. I guess they win a cup, but they win the Stone one

because the Brandstrom kid turned into nothing and the picks were whatever. But like when you're dealing a player that's set to become a free agent for futures, I don't know why you'd expect the futures to be the present. Like they're not. It's futures.

We will see what they turn into. And if they were, and if it was for the present, it would be, well, why do we need this? We're not going to be good in the next year or two. Why do we need this player now only to try and trade? them, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's all of it coming home to roost emotionally. Yeah. For the flames. This, this isn't, like in a vacuum, that's not how this is being analyzed by, by flames fans. This is, we're tired of watching the, getting, the best player in every deal is the guy we're sending out of town.

And there's definite fatigue on, uh, on, yeah, well, welcome to it. You know, if you're, if you're, in old bottom four in the league, get used to guys leaving and things you don't know what they are coming back. I'm going to enjoy a yeah, not like Temple Golden Lager, if you don't mind,

Dean, just to ease my nerves here. It's a favorite. Soon to be a, it's already a crowd favorite. What else we got, Jackie? Two so do you.

Again, horrible asset management. So tiring. Horrible's a really aggressive term. Like that's, that's suggesting. that this isn't in line with similar deals. I would suggest this return is absolutely in line with what other teams get for, you know,

a UFA rental defenseman. Now, if he ends up signing in Vegas or you believe 100% he's resigning there, then so be it. Then maybe it is a little light. But he doesn't have a contract right now. It's beyond this year. There again, it's the Vegas thing.

The commenter nailed it. He's just going to sign there. Yeah, I agree with you. If that's what you're saying, I would put, I don't know what the bet 365 odds would be, but I would guess 300. Yeah, minus $300. When they dropped the puck next year for 26, 27,

he's wearing a golden nights jersey, would be my guess. There's a part of me that wonders if he wants to play for the Rangers. His old man played there, the year they won the cup in 94, they traded him out, I think to Florida. I can't remember. And a lot of these,

Swedish guys prefer the Eastern Conference less to do a travel, but like, can you get a direct flight to Stockholm? Like, I know you can't from New York. Maybe, maybe he can't Vegas, but he's got a young family, he's got I don't know. I, I would love to see him go to free agency. Then everyone could shut up about a late return. Be a slaughter

for two months of a guy. Yeah, I don't know. The thing with the Rangers right now, I'm not sure how quickly I'm diving headfirst into that pool. No, but they might pay you 10 or something stupid. Who knows, right? Like, if you, We don't know what's driving Rasmus.

Like, is it winning? Is it market? Is it cash? Is it a blend of all the above? Like the thing about the thing about Vegas. And again, if you're if a short flight home for a for someone who lives in Stockholm, that isn't there. But they sure check a lot of the other boxes. Taxes.

Because you have no. They have been from when they stepped foot into the league. They have been a contending team or have proven to be of we are going to contend. We're not selling, we're going to win. They, that, and then everything else, the building, the fans, the climate, the town, all of that. Plus, you also feel like, and I'm sure there's some teams you could feel that way. But in Vegas, you feel, if I sign an eight-year deal today, if I'm Rasmus, I feel like for the good, the good lion's share of those eight years, we're going to be a playoff team and we're going to make and runs for it every year. I don't think that mentality

your approach is changing anytime soon. And I don't know what the Rangers, right? Two years ago, maybe that was. Well, they just sent a letter out to their fans saying that we're not signing Panera and we're doing this. Colorado, they've had some ups and downs. They're real good right now.

There's no guarantee. But it feels like with Vegas, as long as McCriman is there and Foley's the owner and all of that, it is going to be a cutthroat business. The only caveat being is they sure trade a lot of their draft picks. And if some of these trades don't pan out and guys get old

and you need your youth to step in, you need, Flames have two of their first rounders. San Jose has one. Do you know what I mean? Like they've, they're doing, it's a different approach.

It's a different approach. Yeah, and not to go too far down the Vegas rabbit hole, but like, it's probably the exact same setup is, Arizona, but with a good owner and winning. Sure. Like to live in the fucking desert and pay no tax, like that's nice.

But if it doesn't come with the winning part, nobody cares. Nobody went to Arizona, man. Like nobody went to the Florida Panthers before they had a good team. Same tax state. They were a laughing stock for years. The winning piece, if you play sports at any level, you understand how important it is. They got that right now. The other word of caution for Rasmus has been a lot of guys that have gone to

Vegas to be, I'm going to finish my career and they're not. They're gone. Nate Schmidt, Mark Andre Fleury. Yeah. Max Patcher Ready on and on and on. Like guys that like I wonder what they do with, with clauses there. Because they don't want to lock guys into 38 with no move. Or you just get injured like Patrangelo does, I guess.

Yeah. Because it's some, again, I'm just kind of calling it up here. We talk a lot about the importance of draft. picks and that's how you get the studs. And yes, Vegas is attractive. And I guess you trade for hurdle and you trade for Eichel. Ikel. That helps.

And maybe you just assume you're going to be able to do that to do these Rasmus Anderson deals where you don't have to pay extra for. But at some point, it just feels like, because we talk about with the L.A. Rams, they traded all these picks. Well, these Rams are real good. How are they doing it without the draft picks? Will the same be true for the Golden Knights? will they get to a point where for that five, six year span,

we were all, we push chips all in and we traded away firsts and seconds. And now we're old and we're brittle and we don't have that next wave of high end, top of the draft talent coming in. Yeah, like I'm looking at their roster. They have very few players under the age of 27 and they're not slotted to be stars. Like Dorofaev is 25. Pretty good. Very good player.

But that's one. And so this team will get old and they will not be a contender forever. But to your point, as that's happening, you know Kelly McCrimman's going to be sending old guys out the door and on to LTIR and reloading with the Marners of the world. But when their core gets old, like what do you get like when Mark Stone can't play and Mitch Marner's 34 and Shay Theodore is in his 30s and hurdles, late 30s. Like it's going to happen. Every team it happens to, but they've done an incredible job of holding it at bay because they're just ruthless in transactions. And maybe they look at it right now and it's got to be part of the mentality. And Flames fans don't want to hear that now because they picked up one of these. There's like, these picks are late first rounders anyway. Trade them. We'll figure it out. We'll get some picks back. We'll find free. We have the luxury and we have confidence in our ability to find guys undrafted college this or Zach White. Cloud. We found Zach White Cloud. We'll find somebody else.

If we figure we're going to be picking in the bottom five and we can turn that into actual very like quality NHL players, we're doing it. And when that changes, we'll change our approach. But until then, that's how we're doing it. Yeah, absolutely. Next up, Jack. We fill five dollars. This feels like how the Eiser plan started in Detroit, not sexy, but asset building. I agree a ton. Like there isn't this marquee prospect that you can put on a billboard that'll make people happy. But like it's a large stockpile of solid prospects and high picks that they've got right now. And to like the not sexy point, yeah.

But like Zach White Cloud, you can move for more assets later. And that'll be part of Erasmus return in theory. Like not sexy, but they're adding assets. Yeah. And it's, you know, moving Erasmus is going to bottom me out a little bit. more. You're not going to win more without them. If we play this, you know, if we simulate this 10,000 times, you're quite a bit worse and, you know, 9,900 of them or whatever. And I think that because we sit here, I don't know where it would fall in if they had their list of here, here's

why we did the deal today. Here's why it was Vegas. Here's why it was this return. Here's is. And somewhere there, it'll be, well, we like the package and that all this. And then there would be, we don't want him, we want to get it done before the Olympic break. We don't want dragging. We don't want them getting hurt. We need to move on all of that sort of thing. And somewhere in it will be, and maybe it's just kind of a bonus that they should not be as good. The Calgary Flames on paper and I think on the ice just won't be at the same level. And that impacts your own first round pick. And that's the most important thing. That's the most important pick they have is their own the next three years.

These are all second picks in the draft they're requiring. Their first is their own. That's where they are. Those are the picks you have to hit. And if you can hit on these other ones you add, well, you're swimming in great players. But the ones you've got to hit on are their own. Yeah. So while we're crushing them for how they term it and the, you know, the verbiage that they use, they're rebuilding.

This is a team that is in a rebuild. They are a bottom five team. is trading away. They are rebuilding. And if they are not allowed as staff to call it that, then so be it. But this is a trade

that a rebuilding team does. They did it with Hanavit. They've been doing it for a number of years. We're well into this rebuild now. You'd like them to have been picking higher. You'd like their own picks to be higher. That's the only kind of thing that well, almost made the playoffs last year.

Well, you're not now. Yep. And we'll see if it leads other deals. How's your day? Do you got to get out of here? I know you have kids and... No, we pulled the power skating gear out of the truck. So that's in the front hall.

One kid was puking this morning, but he's been better of late. And I think he was milking it to watch football. Yeah. And the other kid was in the pool. We're okay. Yeah, like if you want to hang, I'm happy to hang. Oh, yeah. What are we got going on?

I'm already at home. So, yeah. Michael. Michael? This deal allows Calgary to stay near the bottom of the standings. like that in addition to the return. If Calgary stays bottom three, it'll be fine. And there again, we just kind of rolled, rolled through that. Yep. I don't think that's why you make the trade. Well, let's do it because then we're worse. But it's undeniably true. If you wait for another

month, that might be another three or four points you occur that you otherwise wouldn't. Who knows? Yeah. Playing really well. And the one thing we haven't noted, like we've talked about Vegas, Vegas, Vegas in terms of like where they're at and what they are, but like, this is a great deal for Oh, it is. Great deal for Vegas. And that doesn't mean it can't be a great deal for the flames. But like the risk on the Vegas side is so low. Oh shit.

It turns into two firsts. Yeah, we're doing a parade tomorrow. Are you coming? Like that's how it goes poorly for them. No, no. Like flags fry forever. You trade first for cups all the time. Let's go.

That does kind of make me catch myself a little bit. Because while I don't, I don't, I'm not over the moon for it. I also, it was Rasmus Anderson. he wasn't signing an extension. He's a UFA. He's a good player. You got a first and a second and a player who will fill his spot to make the money and all that. And, you know, another warm body that may or may not. What were you going to get for him? Don't overvalue what, what he is. And then you flip it. It's like, but this is a great deal for Vegas.

I mean, Zach White Cloud is a guy that they signed as a free agent, an undrafted kid. He played a bunch of years for them. They paid him no money. And he was great. What a cop and now have spun him off. a kid that we took at the seventh round in 2022 and some picks that'll be late, which we don't give a shit about picks anyway. And we're getting Rast with Anderson,

and we're probably going to sign them. It's a hell of a deal. It's the same. It's kind of how we felt about Hanof him. He's like, well, he's good players. He's just going to go there and sign. And then he does. Brad Hazen has a comment, Jack.

I want you to play it because like, we're so used to everything going right for Vegas. You want to see peak pain for Vegas? I would laugh my ass off if Anderson resigns after July 1. Like the least likely thing ever. But yeah, we really are.

It just underlines that everyone's operating with the assumption he's signing that. Yeah. And if it was any other team, we wouldn't be. No. It's Carolina. You're like, oh, where's it going to go? Yeah.

If it was Dallas, it was like, well, Tanniv. Tanniv, he went and then he didn't sign there. Yeah. But there's, it's Vegas. And the other part of it is, too, It feels like Erasmus is a guy that would work in vague. He's a vagus guy. You would fit in there.

He's a Vegas guy. 100%. Yeah. J.H. Med. Can we chance this and this to a Bears Watch party? Did C.J. Stroud end up throwing like 8 to 10 picks? He was on pace for that when I left that game. Jack, what's the final there? I assume it's over.

I think it was 2816 Patriots. Yeah, he was off. How do you not go to General Mills? or did they finally? No, they never did. Just kept trotting them out there? Yeah, and they were banked up. Jolts got hurt. Kirk got hurt.

Oh, Kirk. People on this watching this room don't want to hear us. They do not want to hear this. Look, you got two hours of this shit. We'll give us 30 seconds. Hot poop, $10. Am I the only one that more and more this team is the Browns or the Jets of the NHL from the forever aflame nonsense to the lack of a plan or direction?

You're not the only one, but I don't necessarily think you're spot on. I think they have a plan. I think they're very uncomfortable to publicly talk about their plan, hence the whole rebegol. Like you said at the moment ago, they're a team in rebuild. They just can't bring themselves to sand for whatever reason. They're rebuilding. Yeah, but it kind of goes beyond that, though. You could say that the Browns are rebuilding or the Jets rebuild.

It's just the aura around the team. Yeah, the dysfunction factor of those NFL teams is extremely high. That comp, I feel like it's less dysfunctional with Connie, but they give you just enough to be like, maybe they are insane. Because you start, you put all those names in. Because we saw in there, Bennett and Kachuk and Monaghan and Johnny. Okay, plus Hanifin, Anderson, Tanev, Markstrom.

Like those are all the best players of your team that, have been leaving. And that just, it happens. But that's a lot in a three, four, five year span. If you're a younger fan, that's what you know of his team. If you're in your mid-20s, that's been your flames experience of your kind of adult years. Well, and even like more so, like that's all concentrated from like 22 to now because the Bennett deal like was a little earlier, but him winning the Cups was really the emergence of like a star grit center, not just a guy that ended up finding his offensive touch after he left. Like to go from favored to beat Edmonton in the second round to where they're at now,

that is, that's the real carpet being pulled out from fans. Like it's been a rough almost four years. Like it's unrecognizable the roster. I think with Rasmus gone, that leaves Backland and Coleman is the only two players left from 22. I don't know how many teams would have two or less players from the spring of 22. It's probably the smallest number in the league. I feel, I do.

And I know, and I know that they, we, we crush them and give them the hard time a little bit. I just, we know Craig Conroy. Nobody wants this to turn around quicker than Craig. Partly, because it's, you know, his reputation and his state, like it's, that's, but he played for the team twice. He came back. Like he's, he wants this more than anybody else.

And he's, he's been there. As a player, he's watched guys leave, his buddy. And now he's doing it again in management. I do think that he's got real skin in the game. And you can,

people want to bring up the other names in that front office. Like, well, you know, well, he does, what's his tie to the team? What's his tie to the team?

What's his tie? Well, they're just management guys. And if they get fired, they'll move on and play. That's not Connie. That's not Connie. that's not Connie and it's not Iggy and I don't know how deep Iggy is involved

with things but but I do we joke about I have Connie Finan's I just I I think he knows what he's doing and I hope that he's given the amount of autonomy he needs to do it because I think he's had a hell of the job in the draft and I think he's done fine in trade not exemplary not awful but like

in the range of expected outcomes almost all these deals fall some are higher like the Lindholm one, some come out a little lower, like the Tanna one. But generally speaking, you're getting what you should get for guys. And you mentioned all these names. Like, wow, this must have been a juggernaut of the team. Like, did they go to the final?

Like, no, it didn't work. Yeah. Like, they had to fire a GM and then the coach the same year. That collection of guys was never going to win. Like, you can talk about one-offs and them being good players and it didn't. But like, once Kachachar, left and you made the deal with Florida to bring in Hubert O Weger a first and Cole Schwint, and then that iteration didn't work, you had no other options. So when you're Craig Conner

and you take this job, you know what you're inheriting. It's an expensive roster with guys that, you know, are longer in the tooth and not performing as well as you'd want as a team. They're not good enough. You had to sell all these guys. It wasn't like you tore apart a championship. They were awful. The other thing is, too, we talk, and I think it was Pike or Gould, whoever brought it up. Remember last year? We talked about it on the show the other day. It was minus 38 or whatever last year.

Mm-hmm. I wonder how much that plays into what the return would have been if they trade them a year ago. Like, we, we have, we think we have the benefit of knowing the Toronto deal that gets done with Fraser Mitten in the first. I think you get more than Carlo, but we don't know. But we don't know. It would really suck today if you sat here and Anderson was having another disaster of a season. Even though it wasn't a disaster, but in his eyes, you're not getting a first, you're maybe getting that second or it's a third,

a second and if it's a second in that Abram, Weeb and a, like that's not, that's not crazy to think. It's having a great year. He had a great year. And you got. Well, Red always says, oh, it's career. You guys always play. I was like, no, they don't.

It doesn't always happen. Linnholm suck his last year here. And turned people's opinion from 40 goal top line guy to like, Maybe he's just a middle six player. Like it is not a slam dunked because you're in a contractor, you play well. We see it all the time. It's just we only remember the guys that have careers because they get paid. We better keep going because they're streaming it.

We appreciate everybody. We appreciate all you guys. What can the flames get for White Cloud? It's a great question. He's a right shot D. He's 29. He makes less than $3 million. You have one more retention slot open.

That's something we haven't talked about. They're eating on Markstrom this year. And now they're eating on Rasmus. you have three retention slots. It's a tangible asset. Like lesser players got seconds last year that didn't have term left on their deal. He's got some nasty his game. He's got size.

It's a guy that you could turn into assets or you could just say, hey, he's playing the best hockey of his career. Like he's in season six. We like him. Like he's a better, much better Braden Pahal, I'd suggest. That's not, I mean, separate to this, but you bring, bring it up and I had thought about it out earlier. I forgot that the retention slots. That's also going to impact a Coleman and, you know, if you, if you think Coleman and Cadry, I think both of those deals would have to involve some retention for teams. Certainly the

cadre would have to. Cadre would have to. Yeah. Um, but Blake Coleman, all we keep here from insiders, how many suitors? Like 20 plus teams. So many teams. And Rasmus is making the least of those three and, and still they had to eat half. Well, because it was the only place they had to had an offer this good for a rental. Like I don't expect that they were going to have to retain with Boston. Who knows? Yeah. But like if you have 20 teams that really like Blake Coleman, you know, that's, that's

different than, you know, we, Rasmus won't sign an extension and now we have to take the rental. No way of knowing, but it does. You don't know. Even if they were going to. I will say this. You better save a retention slot for Nazum. because if you don't, that's a very difficult deal.

Yeah. And it's probably, it's still one that the flames have, they've started here again, they, they ate some money. They did with Marshall. They're doing it. It's a bigger ask with the Nazim. Because Rasmus, that's for the end of the year. Probably less than a million bucks in actual money. Yeah.

That's probably like six plus if it's Nazim. It's a few months. You're talking years and many million. Yeah. What is it? It's probably like five or six paychecks for, That's it. Yeah.

Yeah. Moving on. Joseph. Betman would lose his shit if Winnipeg, Calgary, and Vancouver finished bottom three in the league. What he? I don't know. Does he care? I don't know if he would.

I don't know if he cares, does he? I think he would be like, we're fine. Those are all markets that care about the team. They're coming tickets. He would care if Columbus and, you know, some of some other markets all of a sudden we're at the bottom. It's cyclical. I mean, there's not a lot of teams. teams that don't bottom out at some point, the wings went to the playoffs, what, 26 years in a row?

And then they were in the bottom five for a long time here recently. Yeah, I don't know what Bettman's thoughts would be. Boo. Canada. Hopefully it's not a harbinger to use ghouls, a harbinger of vibes for, uh, the only thing. I know what it means. It's an impressive word. There Josh.

Good on you guys for staying level. On paper, this is average to a by. of average base in similar trades and the rest is too far down the road to know. I agree, Josh. Good point. Josh. I agree. And again, that commenter at the beginning, this is the Vegas effect. It's the Vegas effect.

It's so real. It's so accurately put. If you get a year down the road and you've got multiple first round picks and cap space and you swing them, you bring in a stud, then it's like, well, good thing we had that first rounder of Vegas's. from that Anderson deal. Again, it's the gift card effect. Oh, you got to wait. How good is your, oh, I got a gift card to so and so.

And I got this cool thing with my gift. You don't know what that pick's going to do for you. And maybe you do draft a player. And maybe the player's no good. And maybe he is good, but it's going to take until, well, you're down 27, 28, 20, yeah, that's, you need to be patient and, and are you around for the long haul?

Are you in for the, for the, We can't watch a movie that's two hours long nowadays. So I get why people have a hard time thinking about a 2027 first round pick. When's that kid going to play? But just seeing the press release from the Vegas Golden Knights. Is it the extension? No, no, no extension yet. It says a conditional first round pick in 20.

Okay, that would be its top 10. Yeah, people were losing their minds over that. And it's like, guys, like, it probably could lose. three quarters of their games this year and still not be in the bottom 10. So is that what it? So this year's, there's conditions on both picks then.

Correct. And you're right. That isn't this year's pick. So this year's pick is back from the Hanofin deal. In 2027, if it's a top 10 pick, they get to keep it. And that condition we see on all kinds of trades. And it just means you get another first down in the future. Which,

yeah. Some of the flames didn't do with Montreal. Only it did to be his bottom 10 last year. Yeah. But there again, if you want to pick a, that's a Vegas win. Yeah, it's a cheap insurance policy. It's something that's most likely not going to happen, but they got it included anyway. They're getting retention that they need. They get a top 10 protected.

Yeah, they're getting a top 10 protected. They're not having to pay extra or pay for an extension, but they got the player they want. So it's a good word. It's a huge win for Vegas. No question. Yeah, it's a nice win for Vegas in the short term. Yeah. Nick, Dr. Nick, $5.00.

Too many people playing franchise mode. Very decent deal when you take into our account. It's for two months and it makes our first round pick better. There's some level. There's some. Yep. And I think to Nick's factually correct, but the fears that people have, Nick, are that this isn't for two months.

It's for a year. Yeah. That's the secret sauce here. Why everyone's so angry. Yeah, if, uh, it's also the player. Right. It's, he, he, he was a cow, I, I said it before. I don't know how to exactly show you, but he was, he was proud to be a flame.

The way he played, you know, the way he just had some kind of grit and he was a bit of a, a bit of a jerk and an arse to play against. You know, he was a, he was a jerk and he loved that he was your jerk and looking into the opposition, opposition jerseys and the. the crowd and is stepping up for teammates and he just had some snarl to him and you love in today's game especially if you've got some guys with a bit of snarl and give a shit you love them there's they're rare and rare aren't they it's so rare man um but he's finishing checks and he hates the guys he's playing against don't talk to me i don't want to talk to you we're maybe after

none of this chaden trading jersey bullshit um he's old school So it's hard when your team needs it, when the league needs it, to send it to a team that seems to kind of thrive in it. Or if you'd have gone to Florida, that'd be the other thing. If he went to the Panthers, it would feel similar, right? They have Bennett, he wins the consmite,

they're a bunch of jerks. Now they're adding the snarl of Rasmus Anderson. That would hurt Flames fans as well, I think, similarly to it being Vegas. But there's not a lot of, like I think Wiggers got it. Zerry kind of had it. I feel like Zeri's kind of lost it a little bit. Zinger's derailed a lot of things.

Yeah, I think Farabies got a little bit of it. But just kind of, hey, F you, man. Hall certainly has it. Ball's starting to show a little more edge. Yeah. Coleman plays with some for sure. Yeah, Coleman's got it. Yeah.

So it's just an added thing that you hate to. Yeah, and you know what the sad part about this is? I think they really like Grassman Sanderson. I think he really like playing here. and I think if the life cycle of this team was in a different spot, they would be happy to extend them. It's just that all of a sudden, they're in a spot where they're like,

we're going to be bad for like short term. Yeah. And he's looking at like, well, I'm kind of in my prime right now. And they're like, yeah, and by the time we're good, like that's the part of the contrary that probably won't age well. Like, it's not that they didn't like each other. They just, the timelines all of a sudden didn't match.

Yeah. It is a kicker that you had a guy that, that love the team and love the city. And so no one wants to stay here. Well, he was happy to stay here. But it just didn't line up. Hadrian Coleman literally want to stay here while they suck. Just didn't line up.

You've signed guys at the top of the market. Like people just piss and mowing, but players come to Calgary and like Calgary. Is it the top destination in the league? Of course not. But this isn't like trying to recruit people to Winnipeg. Like, come on. A bit of a stray there for Winnipeg. Sorry, Winnipeg.

Well. Sorry about that. Uh, next. Little brown mushroom two. I'm excited to see these prospects pan out and hopefully maybe use the 2027 and hopefully future 2028 first round picks to acquire current talent. Could be done. It's an option they have. Last year we saw Vancouver trade J.T. Miller and that pick might not have been in the organization more than 10 minutes before they turn into to Marcus Patterson from the Penguins.

The flames are not doing that. No. But probably look at Vancouver for a good reason why they shouldn't do that. Vancouver is a lot of thing. Yeah. Don't go full Vancouver now. Yeah. Don't confuse what's happening.

You're not making the playoffs. Don't you don't need a top four defenseman for next season. You just need to be patient. It's so hard to be patient. That's hard. Is that it? Not it yet. That is all.

Is that it? Okay, good. That is it. By the way, Jack, called this. I don't know if you knew that. Someone's going to get credit for breaking the deal, but Jack knew way ahead of everyone else. It just felt like the longer it went on that this was where it was going to end up going. 257 p.m. Anderson is such a golden night. Well, and if you want to him at 3.30, yeah, the deal's done. He's like, shit, get to the studio.

And you know what we need to do? And I guess this would be homework for somebody, one of us. to go back to our Friday conversation with Dregor. And he says, yeah, it's looking like Boston. Boston's this and boss of that. But you know what? Just something tells me, don't ever count out Vegas. Yeah.

Funny enough, I clipped that and put it up yesterday. Right? It's like, as long as McCrimman's sitting there, is he just going to wait until everybody else blows all, hey, poo, poo, pooh, it gets all their fireworks. This is what we're doing. And he slides in, like, okay, now if you guys are done,

fucking around. I'm going to get this deal done. Here's my offer. Let's do this. Right? And I'm going to get top 10 protected. And you're going to eat half and you're not going to moat about it. Gregor almost.

And hey, did he know? Guy worked at Brandon. He knows McCrimmon has known him for years and years. I know how operates. Maybe. So yeah, you're not super quick to say,

oh, Boston. Yeah, this deal's going to be great for the Bruins. When, when McCriman is in the water, you know, get out of, it.

Because, you know, he's a killer, man. He is. Yeah, absolutely. Again, I keep coming back to it. Like, they feel like the Dodgers, never brought up once. And then right at the end, just as you described, it's like, still us, guys. Yeah. And, you know, I did want to kind of just, you know, how I love context, Ryan.

Right. So they come into the league as, oh, they're going to have a good, went lost in the Stanley Cup final. So they win round one to, unbelievable. Then they lost in round one. Then it was, whatever it was. was COVID, right? Finished first in seating round and blah, blah, blah.

They lost in the conference final. Conference final. Then in 2021, they beat the Wilde in the first round, beat the abs in round two, and lost to the Canadians in the Stanley Cup semis. They missed in 22. One year they've missed. Yeah.

And then it was first round, beat the Jets. One in round two against the Oilers, and then won the Stanley Cup. lost in round one last year, lost in round two. So it's not unmatched success. There's a cup win in a short amount of time. And they've won, look, the flames, I get it. But it's not like the only thing, like the Dodgers comparable is,

you know, winning back to back and, you know, all that sort. No, just getting the player. Like, they just don't lose when it comes to getting players. That's the cop. Yeah. Like, of course they were going to get Eichel. Of course they got Petran. Of course they were going to get Rasmus.

Of course they got Marner. Like they got all. You forget about Marner, right? Everyone but ranting in it seems like that's been a star that's come up they've got. Not to say Anderson's in that class, but you get my point. So all those guys, they weaseled away from other hands and got them in. So just as we kind of bring it in, are you, are we cheering for Vegas? Because if they win the cup, the second becomes a first.

Like you have to. but if they lose, then the pick that you've got from the Hannafin deal is better. I would suggest if it's the difference to pick in 25 or 32, you might have the same kid on the board when you actually get to the podium. If you're going to lose, do it in round one. Otherwise, just go the whole bloody way, I guess is what it's going to be. And if you want to beat Emmerton on the way, you'll make some friends. Always, whether there's picks involved or not.

If anybody wants to, Dallas, feel free. You don't see the, no other team does this, right, where they come in. it's like Jim Nill it's not like Jim Nill walks in and he's like hey this is my guy get your hands off of him this is my guy stuff screwing around he's ours

jeez well Jack said it we got another super that came out there it is Coleman and Cadry next thank you Vinnie yeah uh from your keyboard to

the owner's ears please yep re-biggle the re-biggle is on how do you feel about it Jack I'm a little disappointed. I'm not going to lie. I just, I don't get it.

Like it just, like I said to Ryan, it just, it always feel, and it's the Vegas thing 100%. I was going to say how much of, if you could kind of, Carolina, we're like, oh, it's like, it's like you hear these other offers and you don't know if they're real or true, but the Boston one sounded good.

And it just, the longer this one, I'm like, oh my God, it's just going to be Vegas. It's going to be the same as the Hanifan thing. And I truly do wonder if like, none of this noise come out. You wait till the deadline.

What are those offers? Is there more teams involved? Is it more of a bidding more? And I guess we'll never... They're not to ask everyone's best, but you're right. Someone's going to get injured between them. Yeah, but who's really giving their best pre-Olympics? You get after...

Everyone wants to get them. Like, if you're saying we're moving them. But you're right. Like, there'll be teams that are more desperate than they are now. There'll be some buyers that are not buying then as well, but it felt like the cat kind of got out of the bag. Yeah, that's the thing. And maybe we're way off.

Maybe if you put on your Vegas gold and put on your Kelly McCormon hat, it's like, well, fucking get over it. Okay, so you weren't traded. You're still a UFA. We're still trading you. We played New Jersey tomorrow. Go get some sleep. You know what I mean?

Like maybe, maybe there's part of it where you just put on your big boy pants. Sorry, we're pros. We're in pro hockey. We're all multi-millionaires. We thought we were trading it. It's not going to happen. Now we keep going until we get, what we want, suggesting that this isn't what, maybe they're happy with this.

Maybe this is, you know, no, it's good. Checks all the boxes, get it done. But I don't know. Yeah, my final thought on it, I would say, if you view this as a rental, that's a solid return. If you view this as a surefire extension, it feels light. We'll see what it actually is. Yeah. Tomorrow's a game day.

Devils. Mark's true. The devils. That's right. Marksum trade turned out okay. Marksum trade has worked out okay. You got a better goalie and you got ball. Sweet.

What about the Tofoli deal? We'll see. Depends on you feel about Yigour and Idaar Suneyev scored again on Friday. That was the third rounder that came with them. They turned them around into a first like a year later, I think, to Winnipeg, didn't they? Something like that. I don't know. You need time.

We probably need five years to judge anything with futures, right? We can go to Ken here. He's just coming in. If Vegas wins it all, is that first rounder they get protected? It's not protected. They're getting the first and 27 unless it's a top 10 pick. Yeah. It's incredibly unlike.

It actually converts the second rounder in 27 into a future first. Yeah. What's protected as if the bottom falls out and they finish near the bottom of the standings. if their pick is in the top 10, which they would have to be like they would have to have one of the worst finishes to a season ever. What them winning the cup does

is punches the ticket on the 2028 second or the 2027 second becoming turns out of the first. Which then, well, they already have that first so it would become, I'm getting the 2028. Like they would, they would owe the flames a first round pick. It would just kick the can down the road a little bit. It would be quite something.

If Vegas somehow won the cup and you're like, oh yeah, the next three years we have their firsts. Yeah. Holy shit. Well, that's how we feel about it. But by all means, join us tomorrow because we might feel differently. And there's another long-armed man who's in mourning somewhere,

ringing the tears out of his Josh Allen jersey. He'll have thoughts. Yeah. Some developments on that front, by the way. That was tough. Yeah, that was tough. Anyway, thanks for being there. Jackie Boy,

I appreciate you. Thanks for everybody for jumping in. We raised a little bit of money for charity today. That's also awesome. Thank you to Ross, Mr. Anderson, who was a great Calgary Flame, and best to left him in Vegas. There you go. See you, buddies.