Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - SUMMER VIBES 😎 | FN Barn Burner - July 8th, 2025

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

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Oh, buddy. How are we doing? It's Stampede week. Oh, I'm so hung over. How are we holding up, everybody? We're good? Did you get lots of pancakes if you had lots of pancake breakfast? I'm hung over and I ate 14 pancakes. Did you get your boots off or did you fall asleep with the boots on? I got the boot horn. Yeah, nice.

That's a key for this week. We've been relying on Jack and all Jack says is, nah. He has a sneak of peak night. Refusing to go home Thursday. now he's cooked for the whole stampede did you overdo it one and done cook the goose cook the goose you're sad it's real soft letting us all down jack i can't decide if you're playing smarter than everyone else but without that is the case just judge you with the grammar and the labeling no spelling it's different kind of smarts maybe street smarts seems unlikely i really

wanted to go to the u.s why didn't you go to the u.s my buddy was gonna get detained no my buddy that I stay with, he's back in Calgary. F him. Is your passport up to speed? No. It's probably going to be 702. That's fine. What's wrong with your passport? My American ones expired. So cool, gave a new one. You can get a hundred bucks.

You get the same day. Oh, really? Yeah. Same day. Expedited. All right. Well, I'll get you to walk me through. Just swing by Ratt Industries. I can tell you that this can happen because

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yep after school care hot meals no horn I thought we put the horn are we live oh shit no we're not live someone might be watching this tomorrow right we've gone over this I'm not saying I'm saying that we're think things are happening and it's quite possible that we're just not no it looks like it's on we're operating yeah it looks like we're full capacity cooking with uh gas what a time to do a show yeah so much

happen great time great time to do a show super chat you send us to calgary you put a comment in uh we'll put the comment on the show and they give the money you send us calgary um yeah it's been a few days last we spoke Thursday Friday Friday it's game day did we do a show Friday we didn't do we did we're record it. No. Well, yeah. Yeah. I showed to be, yeah, not live. That's the last time we spoke, not to right. But to the, uh, the royal we. Right. Uh, Thursday. That was a big day. It was. Was. Yeah. Well, even Rhett came down to the old, uh, McMahon. I did to watch the stamp. What a night. Oh, God. I'm worried. I'm a little cloudy there. Looked a little. Brett Michaels absolutely crushed it. You know, you would have been proud of them.

You never know what you're going to get with these guys in this demo, but like he floored it. He knew exactly what he was doing. That dude's entertaining. What Rhett was saying, it was the Stampede Bowl, Stampeaters, host and the bombers over at Mac Mahamohne. Mac Mahon. And yes,

even Rhett said, you know what? I give that guy credit because he came out and he did everything he could to put on a show for everybody. You don't know that that's going to be the case. You hear a lot, He stood there. He didn't do anything.

He came in and he gave you the best Brett Michaels. Your F and right, he did. He was full effort. A plus for effort. And it was awesome. Like us, right? Guys getting on in years. But when the lights are on,

maybe even better than us, which is a high bar. Yeah, they bring it. Love it. Jack, did you know any of the songs? Yes, the last one.

Nothing but a good time. Nothing but a good time. Also, every rose has a star. You knew that one. Did I? I do not. He was swaying. He was making out with Harvey the dog.

I figured he knew that song for sure. That's a slow jam. Jack loves the song. And stamps. Rush! Wow. That staff is definitely denied. Hey,

people from Manitoba, why don't you come over here? We'll kick your ass. How about it? Well, hey, we talked to Jay McNeillie. He said the trophy is going nowhere. He was right.

Bang on. He knew. We should have trusted him. But 14 years in the league? I walked in. They scored a touchdown, and it was clear. Yeah.

Bang, bang, bang, bang. Now, did you take family? Family, everyone was pumped. I'd be honest, I haven't been a big CFL promoter. Oh. Kids have not been to the games yet. And they thought it was awesome. They had a great time.

Yes. Wow. That's amazing. That's a good game to go to. They were like, where are we going? Oh, football game. Yeah. I'm in.

Oh. This was awesome. It's the whole thing. I'll tell you what. Sorry. There you can. Poutine. Thumbs up.

Really? The hot dog. The kid got like a loaded hot dog. Yeah. Oh my God. Foot long. Yeah, sure. Oh, baby.

Pizza was good. Food was good. Prisket. Oh, Dino. Have a brisk. Have a brisk. Have a brisk. Where was the brisket?

So good. I don't know where it is, but it was delicious. It's in the details, man. You go somewhere. The food's no good. You're not going to be inclined to go back. You go somewhere. Food was great.

No. Check. That was an option. Check. And the cops didn't arrest me. So that was good. Yeah, that's happened at McMahon.

Yeah. Before. No, you weren't peeing in the conference. It looks like they're really up in the urinal. Yeah. Passity. Just moved to troughs.

What are we doing? Yeah. I was ready to be arrested at that point. I was going to say, I think maybe you were willing to sec. I thought this is what it takes. Rets do in the math. He's like,

it's 120 miles of the taxi. Yeah, I'm just going to go to the drug tax. I'm just going to go sit in the back of this car. No, it was more pissed my pants. Yeah. They're not good for them.

And you guys, I don't know. It looked to me like the red carpet was rolled out for you, donkeys. Wow. And look, even before the game started, the carpet was rolled out because we had two tailgates to attend. Jack's got the photos. We can get to it. Celebrity sightings everywhere. And we'll walk you through the day of it was.

Are you the celebrities that were cited? No, no, no, no, no, no, that we ran into it. Okay. Yeah. So we started at John Bender's tip. And who do you see hiding in there, by the way? Can't make it out. It's too small.

My eyes are no. Cammy, Cammy, Cammy! Cammy! Who, by the way, is going to be making a bar and burner a cameo on Thursday? A cammy. A camy-o? Yeah, I get it. So that was Tailgate 1 of 2.

Now, you can't go to the Stamps game and Tailgate without our boy, Greg from Bonton. Look at this. I got there earlier. I was planning on going. Beautiful stuff. And who's the guy on the right? I think that was a fan of the show. I'm not sure.

Jack, can you identify that? No idea. Okay. I was a fan. I was taking the picture. That's obviously. That's right. It's one of those Google things.

You're right. Yeah, okay. I'm just stand there now. So what was that the, the Bon Tonne meat? Well, we told you last week, they had the sloppy Joe's going. Cold red solo cups,

which are always delicious. And, you know, just always fixings and, you know, acutrements, et cetera. You weren't wearing your swim shorts this time. Oh, I got heckled about the swim shorts. I did go with the dock flip-flops. Which at the end of the night, 1 a.m. was not what I needed in a wild horse tent,

but hey, we persevere. Yeah. All right. So then we go from there. We meet our buddy, Adam, who got us, he was our escort for the night. He had all the passes to get everywhere. Escort for the night.

He was our liaison. He was the, we're important. So we joined the dancing fools that make up the crowd for the poison concert. And Bradwick just Gavin her. So was bandmates. Like they were into it. It was great.

A big earn was on the right of the stage just very slowly nodding his head. Like, yes, I do approve of this message. It was quite a scene. He went three minutes over. The teams were waiting. Nobody cared. Love that. Awesome.

Now the same fan must have. followed us in because I got a picture with Ralph the dog. On the field, Dino. Look at this. On the field. On the new turf. Now, if you look over that stranger that kind of looks like Jack's shoulder, do you see the man with

the brand new cowboy boots, the blazer and cowboy hat? I give you one guess. That was the commissioner of the CFL. The new one, Stu Johnson. We used to be an exec at TSN. STU. Yeah, there's Amel, our benevolent overlord from Toronto who was out visiting.

Right. He was enjoying the red carpet. and also, by the way, the Flames prospect camp, development camp was going on. So they brought that whole crew through. And look at this. Seabrook, new addition to the development team. Michael Stone, the better stone we often say.

Yeah, that's the way. And Marty Jelna, the Elinator, still looks like he could run a marathon without sweating. Probably would have been fine if you weren't in the picture. Well, it's just that it would just be us taking pictures of strangers. It was smart. See the pass. We're trying to showcase.

Team, team issued shoes there. looks like too. Yeah, they matched the shoulders. That's, that was the whole thing. I heard the shoes were, yeah, some discussion about the shoes. So how's, so Seabrook, like you say, new to the fold, how's he? Yeah, he just said, look, he was doing some stuff

with Ocky Canada, some conversations started happening, and he was keen to get in and said everything's been going great. So far, obviously they ran a much smaller dev camp this year. There was no scrimmage. It was a lot of development and on-ice drills, which you know, fans don't necessarily want to. How do you prove yourself? You can't go out, fight, team yeah it's we'll be fighting in the main camp maybe okay just no fight to get all

anymore so what development caps for what it's about now after the game we got to meet uh maybe the most long standing stand peter i believe it's 17 years on the job that's quick six the horse quick six beauty of a horse hey quick six it was a big win tonight why the long face quick six was tired lot around in the stamps put the boots too all right hurry up i got some i got an oat bag I need to die into. That's the half a building I went into to try and get my 50-50 winnings and they said I was... You didn't win, eh?

That's weird. Because Rhett was there, we were there. You said you weren't there. You weren't there. I was not there. Then who's this? Because I swear, it was the concourse at the very end rate by the... You were there.

Well, that's after the game. Yeah, I wasn't there for... Oh, okay. So I just, it was a little foggy. Yeah. And you're wearing sandals too, so stop taking rounds of back. I had a very... I had a fancy dinner I needed to go to.

You can see I'm dressed for it. That's right, obviously. I got there late, yeah, yeah. And then at the end of the game, we got to go on the field, which is really cool because it's the new turf. He likes going on the field. He loves it, hugging people, taking pictures. They win the game.

There's the trophy. They've got the commissioner, the TSN panel was here, and the fellas, they were not shy about zipping that trophy around, hooting and hollering. And VA got the belt buckle for player of the game, which is pretty cool. He had not thrown a touchdown yet, despite having some good wins.

they moved to three and one. They got the DERS this week, but we had one final piece. Look at that belt buckle, by the way. You're new to Calgary. You're looking good. That's going to work. I mean, I said when McNeil was in here,

good on them for leaning in. Yes. They own this thing, right? A trophy's huge, too. 60 pounds. Goodness. They did a hell of a job. It's a thing, no.

It is a thing. That's now a calendar event. Yeah, I was, I was obviously happy for Dave as the coach. Yes. much attention now that's on this game that may not be otherwise you want to have a good maybe you win maybe you lose let's let's have a good showing they blew the doors off the bombers the best team in the league last four years great for great for the team the brand fans are

going to be encouraged to come back those those that missed it are going to be encouraged to go and see one down the road awesome i was so happy for you know for j and all those guys it put so much work as you could see everywhere you looked online and around around the city around the stadium the logo was everywhere. There was so much talk and hype for it. It was a lot of work. It was. That went in. I think just top to bottom the organization, everyone leaned in on it. And you could tell that they wanted this

to be a huge success. It absolutely was. There was one piece of business left, though. Because Jack, he says, I'm not on the dating apps. I'm just done. So we needed to just at least give it one more try before the end of the night. There's Jack in the game. With the Outrider.

What a night. Kick. Kick. Jump. That's good stuff. good for you jack it was why you didn't go to montana you slide oh that's right yeah i'm just going to hang around the city i think yeah guys do it this week i mean i got an off day tomorrow so we're gonna um yeah i'm just congrats to everybody congrats jack not the jack sorry you're talking about something else that's great that's great no i was uh it was thursday and that has been the night where now good you know what i consider the partners of the show

because every year we do the top shelf off the Christmas campaign. Cody Snyder, Bull Boston, Cody and Rhonda put on a great show over at the Grey Eagle parking lot. It's a parking lot. Well, it does feel like about two weeks prior to the event. And then you get there, it's like, what is happening here? This is bananas. It was the night, I guess it's the, it's the, it's the Central Alberta. It's the child advocacy center.

They have one here. They have a number of them now. And it's really been on the back of Sheldon Kennedy and his willingness to put his name behind it and all of that. So it was the night where a lot of money is raised for the, for those specific charities. And we go every Thursday of, of that week, which is now added another day.

I don't know. Five days they're doing this? Is that right? They sold the whole thing out in five, under five minutes. For next year? Just every year. Already sold out.

Yeah, every year. Not for next year yet, but just whenever they say, it's limited tickets and just bang, they go. And the Cowboys had a hell of a night. The Cowboys were winning, the Calcutta.

The people we were with, so there was Sheldon and his wife, and then there was this group of people that work with Sheldon. Sheldon's a farmer now. I don't know if you know this. He's a big time. Like a real farmer? Like, he's an actually, yeah. Well, it's not cattle. It's not ranching.

Yeah. But he's into, he's got a bunch of land out in Saskatchewan. There's irrigation and doing all kinds of stuff. Growing lentils. So anyway, he's, they're growing all kinds. It's straight out of. Bombine is I think what they call it. You get it.

Pinder gets it. It's big potato. Potato. Oh, yeah. So a whole bunch of people that he works with from Texas and wherever. You guys should come up for Stampede. And this night, it's our night at Bull Bus on Thursday. So we had a bunch of his partners, his potato growing partners.

They got into the Calcutta. They're cowboy. No way. Eight seven. I think is trying to remember what his story was. Anyway, top seven, top score and Bull Rider on the night. And they, uh, they won the Calcutta. Man.

And then they thought you drinks a lot of you got. They were very excited. I was going to say that. There's still lots of runway left when you, once you win the Calcutta. They were, uh, they were. So thirsty, Stampede. Which tent are we going to? Another awesome event.

I just did a great job. You know, I sat there with, uh, the woman I live with. And I said, you know what? Look at this. Like, it's. Cody and Rhonda they have two daughters and they're running around like it's a family-owned thing and this people everywhere everyone's having a good time there's fireworks and their bulls and a little fire in the yeah all just from putting dirt in a middle of the parking lot

they're good at it that's it that's all yeah it's full more than that's some dirt jack and they raised hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years i wish that i could be part of something you know Start something and make it grow and become a huge success. One day, Dean. Thanks, Jack. With Jack's support, I think you can make it. Yeah. I'm not convinced that's how you feel about anything.

Well, you'd think I'd be accustomed to whatever this is by now. Three years of doing this shit except three. Talking about a microphone, so three decades. Don't forget. She'll push it down. He push it down. Vacation coming up. Push it down.

Opening statements from McLeod Law. They're probably busy today. Maybe I was just going to say. Very busy. Maybe something happens during Stampede Week where I can use a little legal assistance. MacLeod-Dashlaw.com. They're in Calgary. They get it.

They're here. They know the pressures. They understand Stampede. And also the circumstances that may stem from it. I mean, we're having fun with it, but. It's true. That Carney said the seat was locked. I didn't check the seatbelt.

That's his job. Whether, uh, whether it's personal business, whatever you got going on, it's the first and only call you make, McLeod law. Good partners of ours. They're out, uh, they're out stampede and doing all that. They got a big fiesta tomorrow. The Wolverine and I are going to swing by and very nice. Tip caps to the, the Jensen ladies there.

Tip caps. There you go. Um, guys are complaining that's a talkers a farm show we're not talking hockey we should talk

agricultural farm show block him jack uh let's here's the thing we kind of talk about what we kind of want to talk about

tell you else what else what else Sheldon Kennedy's played more hockey than you've seen buddy whatever you're pitching about so if we want to talk about Sheldon Kennedy

we're going to talk about his potatoes that's what we'll do we might just talk about Sheldon Kennedy and his potatoes just to a note you because yeah talk about brent seabrook he's are you big on the russet what's your fasset uh no i mean there's some hockey uh there lots happened since we left to be honest i guess i guess elers found a home elers found a home the least exciting thing ever is the only name left really i was trying to

look at that okay i'll say this the biggest the biggest story is a story that didn't develop but nearly did involving the Calgary Flames, which is an offer sheet for Bowen Byron. The Buffalo Sabres go to arbitration with Byram on... The team takes the player, which is unique. Saturday was players eligibility Sunday. The teams could take players to arm. So by early Sunday morning,

the Sabers announced they're taking Byron to arbitration, which then eliminates any potential for an offer sheet. It's a CBA deal. Once you're making a deal with the team, you can't be offered sheeted. Yeah. But it was widely reported and speculated in going into draft weekend throughout the lot, even the week after. There's some teams that are looking at Bowen Byrme. These guys are 23 years old.

Hasn't asked to be traded, but. He's asked for more opportunities. Asked for a lot of salary. Yeah, Drager has talked about it, I think, in kind of back-to-back weeks. Flames are one of the teams that are in there. And as things moved forward, it's. We're all kind of led to believe that this was, this was very, very close to getting done.

Apparently very close as well to, right, to consider that. Close that there was going to be a trade or an offer. That the flames were going to offer sheet, Bowen Byron. Or at least use the threat of an offer sheet to get a deal with the savers. Because that's essentially what Carolina did to come out, Cary Miller.

Or sign him to an offer sheet. Okay. If that's what you're here. They weren't allowed to. So you can't be that close because they weren't allowed. You were allowed on July 1. Prior to Sunday. you were. Oh, so you had a day to do it? No, no. I'm confused. He's an RFA. You can sign him to an

offer sheet post July 1. They had four days before armed stuff. Oh, before. Okay. Yeah. And to be fair, a year ago, they were allegedly, very heavily considering offer sheets to the tandem and Edmont. I was going to invest in Apple in 82. Right. Right. Very close. I was told he was closing it. If only it had gone up. Yeah. Yeah. On the free agent frenzy, that was one of things that they were monitoring and drager was throwing it out there so okay and i'm serious you've got somewhere to go with it but i'm curious what's he worth pinder probably has the and if you do it what are you giving up here's as opposed to a trait what what i'm led to believe is that it was not so much the the price they were going to have to pay which would have been first second and

third it was okay now if we're okay with that to get the player then what the is the contract. How many years? How much money per? And it's, you're going to be in that nine million plus territory. That's a scary, scary thing, which is I think why it didn't happen. It wasn't so much. Well, we got picks and a first, second, third. Get your head wrapped around that. To sign it, it was going to be. But then you're dedicating a lot of money. So the band of salary, which dictates the compensation for the offer sheet, that is a first. first, a second, and a third is from 7.02 million all the way up to 9.36.

And that's, that's a lot of money you're dedicating to someone that's had a lot of hype as a prospect and had a very good playoffs in 2022, but has had posted very may results since. Now, a lot of guys played in Buffalo and posted shitty results and been excellent elsewhere, but I just don't know what you're buying with Bowen Byron. What are the men, and I'm not taking you to task. Just because I saw a great defender. He has points that he collects. Lex on the power play.

When he's on the ice, he gets outchance and outscored more than you want for a guy that's going to make that kind of money. Like if he's just a power play two or five, he can't pay him that. Bouchard outchance his opponents, even when he's not with McDavid and Dries. Settled the data supports him

moving the puck the right direction almost all the time, no matter who he's playing with. Very different than Bowen, Byron. We're talking about a guy that could, like, I don't think it'd be crazy for Bouchard to floor with the 100 points.

Byron's had like 30. These are not the same player at all, Right. And like you say, is that, is that Buffalo? Is he a 50 point guy in a different spot? Maybe. Trouble is, I don't know how much more feared the offense is in Calgary than Buffalo, maybe slightly, but it's not like. I can tell you what the, I, you're right.

But on the other side of it is who's playing defense for you. Yeah, they have a, right, and Dahlene and power there. And the other thing I'll say is it's not necessarily about like the offense of the team. It's like, who's good at developing talent? Because that's where Buffalo has dropped the ball. guys have left have been way better elsewhere. So no one would be surprised

if Bowen Byron left Buffalo went to another team and played better. It's just, you're asking him to get a lot better to earn that salary that he's asking for, which can happen. But it wasn't like Sam Wright part was putting up 30 points and went to Florida. He was a very good player that turned into a great player.

I don't know. He's not a very good player right now. He has the tools to be one, but it hasn't happened for whatever reason. I don't think Colorado's missing them, for example. you can't crack a top pair anywhere and yet he wants to get paid like a top pair guy yeah i don't know i feel i just just because i like to argue with you you don't always put your first and second best defenseman together for sure so what if you're in buffalo

rasmus dalene is your number one defenseman right yep he's so does bairn have to play with him like you know what i mean like you could be on a second pair of It's appreciating between two and four. On really good teams with really good defensemen. Two to four is a tough because you might, it's circumstantially, well, I'm a lefty he's a right. Totally. Right?

Like, so it's just say, well, you can't crack a top pair. Well, maybe he can't. But there are also certain. So that doesn't mean he's not a good player. But where was it? Kail McCar. And Taves. Yeah, no.

And so that's circumstantial, 100%. And so again, it's this black box of what is? What do we know about Bowen Barham top pair defense and nothing? And so he might be one. But you're leaning into the unknown a bit. And he's a guy that said, I need more opportunity. I want to get paid like a one, two. You're paying him for something he hasn't done yet.

Doesn't mean he can't do it. He just hasn't done it. But that's the world that we live in. You're paying 23-year-olds coming out of an entry level or going after a one or two-year contract post-entry level. You're paying for what you hope they're going to be. You're having to dedicate huge swaths of. dough. Or you go short term and they prove it and then you pay him. Yeah, it's one of the other.

And so that's where I think Buffalo is going to risk them saying, no, I'm not coming back to you. And now we control everything. Like he's playing almost 23 minutes a night. That's for sure top paratite minutes. Um, but I don't know. It's a bad, bad team and it's tough to watch him and say, oh, he's going to be great else or he could be. Yeah, like I wonder is this? Does he have to be? Yeah. Like is he, is he a superstar or does he come in and it's like he's very mechanical. We're going to pay him more than Weger, but I think he's not as good as Weager. But you know what? Moving forward, at 25, 26, if you're paying him 9 plus million and he's McKenzie Weager, is that a ridiculous overpay? If he's a guy who's playing 20, 21 minutes.

If he's a weeker, you get this done. If he's not Uigher right now, that's the problem. So he has to get there. Right? That's. So that's the whole secret sauce is like, how confident are he he's going to get there? And how much risk are you willing to take betting he's, going to get there because when you give up your McKenna first and a second and a third and then devote top pairing salary to a guy and make him your highest paid defenseman he better not be a three four no I know and so that's the risk I'm not saying he's not this or he's not that I'm just saying there's a lot of unknowns which is why this is a difficult deal to make and the ARB is interesting because he probably if it gets there will elect a two-year settlement go right to UFC or it just says

okay our updates here we're going to trade you before then that those are the two outcomes i see for for byram and the savers i know we don't like plus minuses numbers surprising there's some plus players on this buffalo team some minuses as well but uh plus 11 for byram rasmus dalene plus 11 as well so like i look i i don't i feel the same way so it's if you if you felt more confident about what the player is Just do it. Yeah, totally. This is how you get good young players.

We talk about how you get these guys, right? Okay. So what are they doing? They're trying to add good young players. I'm still confused as to what the plan is, because if you're not making a stab and taking this guy, and because you were interested, it makes me think that you are thinking you're a good team and you want to add and be

better next year. This is a move for the future. He's not like 27, right? 23 years old. Like he fits their age scheme. So if you got him, you'd probably lock him up long term. And you've locked him up until his 30s. Now, whether you use that first on the Gavin McKenna draft class or this guy,

you've got a young player that you've got for around the next decade. I don't think it's saying that they think they're good if they go get bull and bar. They're always going to be trying to add good young players, especially left shot D where they have only ball. I disagree with you. I think that is part of the confusing part of it is should we pay nine and a half. and if they get Boen Byron, are they worse or better? Well, you assume they're moving Rasmus if they get Bowen, right?

Or should we not go that far? I don't. I think both can happen. I don't know that it happens. Like you're better if you keep Rasmus and add Bowen for sure. But if you move out Rasmus and bring in Bowen, I'd suggest you might take a half step back or you'd be about the same. Yeah, I feel like that's still very much contingent on what are we getting in trade.

I think that's a deal that happens regardless. Now that this, no, Bowen Byram's not coming to Calgary, it seems, unless there's some kind of a weird trade. Well, no, I think this does push a trade for it. I don't think that that says, well, we're hanging on to Rasmus now. I feel like that's in its own little pocket. Sure. But any thing, are you better or worse? And I'm saying, Rasmus here or not, it's a big factor.

Bowen's a good defenseman. Yeah. There is the, should you have signed this guy? And then there is the, what are you? What are you doing? If the one thing, the other thing you're doing is if you're going to offer sheet a guy, okay well you're paying a lot of money and it looks like you're also giving up a first round pick in the mckenna draft class which suggests you're not exactly whereas to me i'm i would be less

worried about the player and the term and the dollar which is risky of course but you want that first round pick is a burden hand or two in the bush maybe the year you don't want to trade that first next two years i'd say don't do it right but you know we're That's what that's the, it's not a, we're not right or wrong, but this is just, these are the discussions. I thought that where it's like, well, they're going after Byron, and they didn't. So maybe that was the calculation. We're, we're talking about rumors that they were going to offer sheet them and they didn't.

And again, they could still trade for Byron today. I don't think this closes the door at all. I would rather. It closes the door to the offer sheet. But when you look at what Carolina gave the Rangers for Cowndry Miller, it was almost exactly what the offer sheet was. And they just said, hey, look, we're going to offer sheet you or. And the Rangers is like,

Yeah, we're not willing to commit long term to this guy. And if you were going to offer you this, let's just make the trade. That can still happen here. So maybe you can find a way to get Vegas's first and a roster player to Buffalo and keep your own first, which would allow you a, you that offers you to other people or B, have your own lottery ticket in the McKenna soupstakes. All these things can still happen. You can kind of thread the needle still. It's interesting, too, that this, again, maybe I've just kind of looking at signals and reading.

this isn't a Byram specific thing because Drager also told us, Kandre Miller was a guy that the flames were looking at doing an honor sheet as well. So they're looking at D, young D to come in and play right now. Yeah. As opposed to sitting and acquiring more draft picks.

I mean, a young asset would be a young defenseman, I guess. And you're probably collecting young assets if you trade Rasmus, I'd think, right? So I sort of like, where we disagree here is if you're going to commit eight years to a 23 year old or you're going to select an 18 year old, you're marrying a player for like eight to 10 years in both situations and you're getting much younger at that position in both instances.

Connie's just shaving off a couple of years of a guy coming through the system to get up into the NHL. So if you're confident that Byram is a top pair guy, by all means move a pick that you think could fall 8 to 20. It's just that what if he's actually a four that just puts a number on PowerPlay 2? Oh, shoot. That's, we really. should have kept that pick. That's the downside. Yeah. You're also closer to knowing what the player's going to be.

They're going to step in and play for you now. That's the scary part. In a lot of ways, we still don't really know, right? He's 24. He's an NHeller. I mean, you're acting like,

he's going to fall out of the league. No, I'm not acting like that all. There's no chance he follows the league. Don't put those words in my mom. I wonder whether he's a four or a one, or like, where in there?

He's playing 23 minutes a night. Yeah, on a really bad team with not on a bad. bad decor though and how okay are the flames really really like the sabres were not i mean they went on a run at the end they aren't that like you're saying it's not san jose and there's only one like and he's playing with no other defensemen you're you're kind of making it seem like the sabers are and they are not the pinnacle of the n hl 14 years in a row without a playoff spot yes yes yes yes but they weren't the bottom of the barrel. No.

They drafted what, nine, 10th? Yeah, it's, I think they're the worst run team in the league. So I don't know if how I can trust. But that doesn't have,

that doesn't refer, are what they look like there. That's all. Even in Colorado, his, like his first full season there, he was averaging over just under 19 minutes a night, 22,

23 season with Colorado in that 22 minutes a night, 20 minutes. Like he's a, he's a 20 plus minute night of defenseman. That's clearly, is that worth nine million? you? I don't know. That's the question. And so that's where...

What's Rasmus Anderson's? I mean, yeah. We're all excited because Rasmus Anderson has made four and a half, so we're like, he should... What a deal. He should make five, or you watch Weger. Well, when Weiger first signed, it was too much. He was terrible. And he's really good now. Right? He had a tough six months here to start, but based on his prior two years that I, that extension was fine. Six and a quarter or whatever, yeah, for a top pair guy. He wasn't a top of him. He was. He played with that glad every night. for two years again Ryan the point being if I go play with but we've talked about this with miramano you talked about him playing top four minutes convenient for you to say oh he's a top pair well no he was

the guy that played with the best defenseman like I could play with victor headman and be the top teap if dry sighter is on the second line is he a second line guy I'm not saying that but yes you are what I'm I'm not saying because he played with ecblody he was a top defense a top pair defense what I'm saying is when you look at the minutes that he played the role you know the chances for it against me is on the ice. He was one of their best guys. Okay, so is Bo and Byron. If you're looking at the minutes play, then he's a top-share-

guy. He's the number three guy in Buffalo, yeah. No, he's not. Okay, so. He played more than power. He played more, like, he and Dahlene had basically the same amount. Dahlian 24 minutes, 24-14, Byron 22-42. And so then what I would do next is say, who's eating the tougher matchups?

What are they doing on special teams? What's the offense creation? Are you saying he's as good as Erasmus Delian? No, I'm saying, I'm just poking holes in your, you're i i just think you guys are underselling what weger was when he when he was in florida it's you taking a stance on things that i'll say it on this hand for this guy it works for him but if we say it we just talked about the the boy it's not a top parent you placed 23 minutes a night how many fives play 23 minutes a night i mean look he's his minutes aren't terribly

off what kevin ball played a couple minutes he's obviously a four right like it's just he might be a second pair guy he might be a first pair guy he better not be a third pair guy I don't think you pay second pair guys that kind of money and give up a first in the McKinney year I don't listen you're projecting I agree

I don't I'm not sitting here being like damn they missed out I think he'd be a good player to go and take a stab at he'd be the best last shot on the team if he came here let's be honest I'll stay at home he's offense he'd separate those two it's a nice young piece I just don't feel like I know what he is yet

in a way to me what I'm and I'm less worried both that is just you're you're giving up picks term and dollars yeah we're ooh can we make a trade where maybe there's a contract or something we can somewhere to soften the acquisition cost the blow of that cost of doing business if you're going after a player like what do you i mean yeah like if he's a uf a come on in here's your eight seven years which would be six soon whatever okay stop you're right but again i think they have to operate differently they probably They're not getting him probably. They're not there yet.

Yeah. I mean, you have to be a competitive team to win guys in free agency. When we saw over the last two weeks, guys are going to teams that are good. And if they're not, they're making money that's not good. Like Cody C.C. Way too much dope. Teams not bad. I shouldn't use that as an example.

But none of these teams with all this cap space. They couldn't get anything else. And so they were like, we're going to pay you. Bad example. But my point being, just having cap space isn't enough to get guys in free agency. They want to go to winners. You're not a winner yet. So I agree.

If you try to get Bowen and UFA, you're probably, he's going somewhere else. I'll go to St. Louis before here. They look like a much better team right now of just the two weeks. And they have to do. Wow. They don't have to do anything. I thought that about Miller, Kay Andre Miller when he was, I'm like,

and it sounds like they were. So it's obviously they've recognized. They need left shot young deep. Weird. And they have to go about business a little differently. Even with an offer sheet, the players having to sign on. You're paying more to come here.

You're probably having to pay more, which then ramps up that price that you're paying for picks. You've got to have all your own picks to do it and all of that. I do wonder, that's because so, and you're better at this. So play this out. So you can't go get Bolin byr.

You can't get them in free agency. Okay. You can get them in a trade. That's, you can go get them today and trade. Right? Like, how do you manage these assets? Because if you go trade for them,

you're under the he's still at some point going to have the right and if you're not overpaying him because they're still not good he's going to get paid like a number a top pair defense or he's not you know what I mean like does it change anything if you trade for him like and how so I would if I was trying to add bone buyer when I was confident he'd be a top pair guy I'm willing to pay him that seven to nine if I believe that that's the outcome I'm not quite there yet the flames might be they know more than me about this stuff they obviously have data department they've got all the video that's for common market, not Calgary. No, he, he's not

asked for a trade. You can trade for his rights. He does not have no mood protection. I know, but you're saying between seven and nine, if the flames were comfortable and we're hypothetically saying, is nine the number? Because it's Calgary. That's what I'm asking you, I guess, is are we, if you trade for him and the trades, whatever it is, and they get bull and Byron, and now he's here. To keep him, Are you not overpaying anyway to keep him?

I think the deal is inclusive of an extension. But why would the extension be less than what he would want to sign an offer sheet? It's not going to be. It's going to be whatever their close offer sheet was. That's going to be the dollar. So the money's not going to matter, no matter what you do to go. Well, we just said at the beginning, a first, a second and a third is 7.02 to 9.3, I think I said. So that's the range.

And if that's a range you're comfortable operating in and you're close to signing an offer sheet, you have essentially agreed to terms of the player. Otherwise, you're not close to signing an offer sheet. If the player that says that's not enough money, you're not close signing an offer sheet. You can be interested in offer sheeting a guy, but if you're trying to give them 70, not close as they were. Dean's saying they're close. So that tells me that Byram's camp and the flames weren't far apart on money.

And then if I'm the flames trying to get them, I'm doing anything I can to try to get Vegas's first out and keep mine, given that a second year. Or they weren't. They were fine with the price of acquisition for a offer sheet. was byrum dollars and term where things fell apart yeah so they maybe were not close on money maybe that was that was maybe the thing that knocked it down the thing that scares me the most about him is that a i'm not quite sure what he is which doesn't mean he can't be a good player b the acquisition cost is very high and c the salary demands very high he's asking for money he

is not yet earned in this league he could be a value deal but he's not a seven to nine million to uh dollar defense he can't be a value deal because he's asking to be paid to be the guy that he expects to be. And so that's why I find this really challenging for the flames because there's just, you're not going to get value on the contract, you're not going to get value on the acquisition cost and the guy has to be better than he's ever looked at the league at the price of doing business in the city of Calgary if you're the flames.

So you do not get value deals very often. I think it is right now. And that's why I think they didn't do the business because I think they're comfortable to use that first and find a really good player next year. There's a lot of teams where you can point and say, okay, of this or that. Taxes, star player, team close to winning, all of that. There's nothing here right now. And it sounds shitty to say, but there's no reason for someone to say, yeah, that's,

I like the flames for this. Yeah, they have to give them the money that most contenders are like, ah, that's too rich. Yeah. Because they're not close to winning. There is no superstar. I'll do respect to Wolf. Maybe he is, but there's no skating stuff. In terms of a position. player. There's no star here. The rink, yes, the rink is coming, but there's a lot of nice rinks in the world. The tax situation is whatever it is. Okay. It's not bad. It's awesome. It would have to be seemingly some kind of a, either you're getting a lot of money that you can't get elsewhere or your family's here. There's some other reason why Calgary would be attracted to you because it's got to be,

it's got to be hard right now, harder than it's ever been. And it can change in a hurry. But it's got to be as hard as ever for Craig Conroy in the flames to call up an agent and a player who's a free agent and say, hey, we've got a package here. Would you like to hear what we've got to offer? And I think they probably, before they got circled back on Hanley, I'm sure they tried to find a better left shot option in the top four. Well, you said L.A. earlier, I'm like, L.A. is getting stuck doing it. You would think that would be a preferable place. Raspis-Sanderson, I don't mind going to L.A., but I'm not signing a stitch. So they've had to go offer Cody Sisi.

A contract. Brian Dumlin, nine million between the two of them. That could have been one Rasmus Anderson. You'd be so much better with one Rasmus Anderson than that third pair. Gross. Yeah. You know,

the other thing, too, is I wonder, every situation's so unique and it's hard to kind of say, well, look, this is what the flame should have done or this is what they absolutely shouldn't have done. But Montreal, they're sitting there.

God, they've done it. this uh the the the d man that they traded the two first one no adopsin say okay well we got a chance to get this guy we're giving up yep do it all right so that's done so we're stronger in the back end what do we uh st louis well we've got this bull duke my you okay boom boom he was just the first round pick that's those are big heavy swings really by both sides even for st louis that's a first round guy that came in and played pretty well for you in limited minutes yeah we're going to trade him to bring in the defenseman, Montreal,

they shift on the fly. I wonder to a certain extent, how overly in love the flames get with their own guys. Everyone. Because what have we said, they got so many wingers, got lots of wingers.

Trade one of them. I say it all the time. Trade one for, find a young D, find whatever. Is there not a deal somewhere in the league where there's a younger defense. You can trade Conner's area for a young D.

I think. Where you feel like, maybe, go through their wingers and see who, like, trade everyone. But what is your return for? So you can't trade here, but you're married to him. You just ain't corn out of a long-term extension. You're not trading me.

You might be the close to most untradable outside of wolf on this roster. Coleman's got two years left. That sounds like a really nice deadline acquisition for a contender. Conner's area and the team don't have a deal. But it's okay. But he's a good young player. I don't know that most teams of leagues have a guy like him. He's a half point per game. We think there's more there. But what he's shown so far isn't anything terribly unique or special. He's a middle six winger at this point.

Joel Fairbri makes too much money to trade without you can't expect anything back. Sharon Govich, which one are we talking about? The 30 gold guy's valuable. What we saw for most of last year is not. And then it's like, yeah, Longberg and Klopcar are fourth line bangers. There's your wingers.

It just feels like, and obviously that's the status right now. Was there a, could you have moved Pellier earlier? We hear a lot of, well, they wouldn't have included this player in a trade. I think they wanted Frost and they got Frost. I don't think you, and you know, like they didn't even qualify Pelcher. Further to your point, what you started this conversation.

Yes, you overvaluate you. Like Valamaki, you couldn't put Velamaki in deals because he was going to be the guy. And then he's on wave. I think he still could have been the guy just that he blew his knee out in training, right? They mismanaged that. That one's hard. There were injuries for sure, but there was times when he was still healthy where, you know,

the Mark Stone deals. If you ask a realtor, call your boy Newman, because that's how I compare it. If you ask a realtor, they'll say, well, people are idiots because they think their house is the greatest house ever. And that's what we think about our players. Derek Newman does not think your house is stupid for the record. No, he thinks you're stupid. Yeah. Yeah, he thinks you're dog.

Yeah, look, I think everyone does. But the thing about Montreal that isn't a good comparable for Calgary is they've been very, very patient and measured and picked in the top 10 a bunch in the last five years. And so now is a really, really smart time to push chips in. I'm less convinced now is a really good time for the flame to start pushing first in for roster players. They moved Pat Reddy. They got Suzuki back. They picked first overall. Damn it off.

You know, Reimbacker wasn't necessarily the guy you wanted. It could have been Mischka, but like on and on, Slavkovsky first overall. Like, they've been rebuilding. And now they're getting better. And throw a Stanley Cup. They also had a Stanley Cup final appearance in there. They picked first overall. Like there's, yes, they've been building towards this.

They have a good system. the second best system in the league per Byron Bader and a bunch of other people. Right. But it, and I'm not saying. So now it makes sense to take two firsts and all I was saying is the situation arose where that's a massive pivot. It's a huge two firsts out,

player in. Sign them long term. Done. Okay. This player, but we need a forward. Don't need an extra deed. Done.

That's a, but boy, we took him in the first round. Do it. Let's go. Yeah. Doesn't feel like there is a, and there may not,

it's opportunity. And yes, it's all contingent on what talent you have. But there have probably been some guys that were drafted early. It's, oh, but we took them. It's our guy. We took them early. A lot of them end up dying on the vine. And I worry a little bit that we see it too often around here.

Oh, they've only been rebuilding for a year and a half. Really until they moved to Lyce Lindholm and Hanifin and Tanna. You don't have to rebuild to have assets. It's just, no, but I just think it was very commonizing. It doesn't have to be a direct. comparison to Montreal. I think the point of it is how many assets does the team really have? We couldn't go get what we 100% needed. And I think anyway, in my opinion, Dylan Cousins,

you didn't have the assets to do it. And maybe Rasmus Anderson was an asset that might have been, and he would have had Buffalo on the no-fly zone. So me, but what are the assets that you can go and improve your team with? I, yeah, I think what they're doing is very smart. But again, when Logan Mayu is NHL ready and you're full, that's when these deals are much easier to make because they've drafted Elaine Hudson and they've done well with some other guys. I mean, like, it's, that's been a good young D for a long time.

They traded away Jordan Harris. They let Roman all I was saying. All I was saying is just the philosophy of and just how well do you know what you got? Are you too in love with what you got? Are you maybe kind of, skating, skating, it'll come around. It's fine.

Do you ignore some things just? I don't know that they don't know what. That's a weird way of saying it. I think they know what they've got. And it isn't that appealing. And hence, we can move guys. But you're not going to be doing backflips for the return. Right?

Like it's not. I think if you get to a spot where you have to move a Coleman or cadre, you'll do fine. But they're clearly not there yet if they're going to bring Rasmus back to camp, which seems like a reason. outcome at this point. I don't know how you don't know. And I don't. If it's just for the sake of the best return. They have to kind of play hardball down with. Bring him back. You're saying? They have to now, don't they? What do you do? Yeah, I mean, everyone else in league's going

hell. Elliot had some different reporting in the last 48 hours on than what we'd heard. Last we'd all gathered, Pierre LeBron had the piece that said there's only one place for Rasmus is willing to extend. Elliot said that's inconsistent with what he's heard. It's not 10, but it's probably gone out. It probably was that. And now Rasmus is backpedaling, which is fine. And the point is, it's fluid. And that LeBron didn't say it's the only place he would go, to be fair. He said he would, he said he'd go to Vegas.

He didn't say that's the only place Rasmus Sampson. I don't want to mess up Pierre's reporting. The takeaway a lot of people had was that Raspus had given the flames one team he'd extend it. The Hannafin. And Hanoffin had said that about Tampa and he ended up extending in Vegas. So things change. But Elliott's reporting was that there is a smaller list that the team and the player

are both comfy with. And so the question is, can you get a deal done with those, say, three to five teams, or do you wait into the season and all of a sudden teams are good and the standing, teams are bad and everything changes because you're going to just send him to a contender that's going to pay a lot for him. And he's going to be happy going to contend. So it's a calculated thing for Conroy to go, okay, am I better off just waiting? He knows the offers that are out there. Would he not?

He knows them now. He doesn't know what they're going to be at the deadline. So that's the mystery. That's just it. He's looking at it going. And so it's two things. either caught well it's exactly what boom said conroy thinks anderson's better than what the offers are or he'd have the deal done yeah or it's i can get a really good deal for him in ottawa columbus and buffalo

but those are teams he's not going to extend with or go to at all that's that's the other part of the rub is if you can get him if if he's good with it and would sign an extension you'll get more so now it's okay let's so let's try and get the most we can this first first frustrates me to no ends because for years, we're told, okay, short-term contract. We can trade them at the deadline. There's no money. These teams can bring them into the cap space fits. That's max value.

And now it's all flipped where you better sign them an extension to be able to move them. No, I don't think the extension. You know what I mean? He's not signing extension unless he's staying here. That ship's sale. If he's signing here, he's a lot. The point I'm making is that is not the biggest appeal was that he's cheap and any team can add him in and he's. If you move him to the deadline, like I was lobbying all year.

Yeah. And you can no talk about an extension. You can show last year. Now it's kind of coming around. Now it's all extension talk. But it's only if you want to include an extension. You don't need to that. You can fucking trade them.

Yeah. Just don't go and ask him to sign. Yeah. Hey, we'd get more out of Columbus if you'd sign long term. But one, I don't want to sign in Columbus. Yeah. Well, you know what, fuck it. We'll take less.

We're trading you to Columbus. Okay, well, shit. But I thought there was always, in the past, it was always about being able to not have a long-term contract. We're going to add them because it's easy money to add. And there is no, like, right? I mean, the cap's growing. So the whole idea of like the low salary, he can fit everywhere. It's helpful, but it's not as helpful as it would have been two years ago for last year's deadline.

And again, you can't talk extension with Erasmus last March when the deadline was. It's a non-event. And so now it's not worrying about Rasmus's list. He's not going to these six places. The rest of the league's oyster, you're selling two playoff runs. He's well under market value. He's a right shot defenseman, which are always shorter in supply. That was the time to move him.

But we're too close to a playoff spot. I can't send that message. Look, we were all sucked in at different times. But, I mean, again, if they're so, so excited about being. the eight seed. You're just never going to be great. You can certainly get in. It's possible, but you're never going to win cups.

And if you do, it's a... I don't know. I still kind of have faith that... I think they... I have con-efinance. They would have the same problem. That they know what a good deal is and what is a bad deal.

What is a good return? And two years ago, if the return isn't good, you don't... There's no gun to your head to do it. What do you think? You know what I mean? Like, if... Two months ago.

If two years, you have two playoff runs and you look, guys. Dude, March was two players. It's just, do you believe worth more than this? Do you believe that if the. Probably it's, everything's different. It's so hypothetical this conversation.

But if the flames are 12 points back last March or whenever the trade. They're trading. There would be more teams probably calling on it. And you're, you're not, right? Like, oh, for sure. Connie didn't want his name out there. If they,

yeah, if they worked close, do you think? you think they would have kept them or traded them? I think that they're, yeah, when you're in that spot. It matters what the return is, but we don't know that now either.

I think they would have traded them. I'd love to give Connie the truth serum and just be like, I think if they had four, you weren't shopping him, but what were the calls like in March? Because you weren't shopping. I was thinking about this. And when have the flames been in that scenario

where we're a little bit out or we're a little bit in, we're getting close and it's a trade deadline, but we're going to trade. somebody who's a free agent that we're probably going to lose. But we still, was it Curtis Glenn Cross to Washington? They were in the place. They made it that year and they sold them at the deadline. They did really well.

They still sold, even though they were right in the teeth of it. I think they got a second and a fourth and they turned into some players. Yeah. He was a guy because it's, yeah, it's easier to trade when you're way out. But that was the one time that they traded a roster player who was contributing. Yeah. And we're in that playoff mix. No, I think it was him and Hartley.

it was clearly like we got to amend like get the situation cleaned up but yeah either way it was it was they had the balls to do it they did it this is the problem that i think it's like dayton a check so she's got other boyfriends you're like stop doing that yeah the flames have not managed assets well over the last eight to 10 years they just haven't have they like no you trade glen cross when you're in a playoff spot and he's not the same player, but you won't trade Giordano when you know effing well he's leaving. Like you're going to have to make like

yeah, right? Monaghan. Well, so the asset management hasn't been good. Johnny, Kachuk, Bennett. Yeah, they've had some good ones. Balamaki. Those have all been. But he was the first, listen. It wasn't issue. It's easy to pass off.

He was broken. He has not turned into anything. There was a time where you said, I said, he said, everyone thought he's the number one defense. I thought he'd be the next cabinet of the team. There was a summary. You can't just pass it off as, it's maybe to a lesser extent,

but they read it wrong. There was a trade that could have been done that would have involved him and they passed on it because they thought highly of him. And look, maybe he would have become a step. He may have. We don't know. But it's,

but that's asset management. Agreed. Look, the Gio and the Monaghan ones are huge fails, but you look at like, Glenn Cross is a nice example of reading the room and making a really savvy play. But that's, minor.

Sven Berci, they turned into like a second that's a player. I think it was either Rasmus or Deube. Like they've done some good traits. But I usually, he was a scrub at that point, but he was the first round. Yeah, like they had they had absolutely exhausted any notion that he was going to be a first round talent.

No, I've played at all. And the only reason they got anything for him, and only once he wanted it was because Wise Broad was in MacCour at that point. He loves Sven from his calorie days. Yeah. They extorted the Canucks on that long. I know you're trying to spin that they've had good. It's just, it's a mixed bag, but I agree.

They've had common sense stuff that's worked out okay. The geo-o-ones and they haven't done things correctly with obvious moves. Yeah, I agree. And I think the Hamannick one was such an awful reach. Like, that's no one. That's the guy we're talking about. You went back to some of the stuff where they, you know, because sometimes you go back, you're like, well, at the time, Valemacke, at the time, he was going to be a number one's,

okay, maybe wrong. But there are obvious ones. Gia was so obvious Exactly Monnet and just LTIR I'm if you said If he can't LTIR

Yeah like what's the problem there And maybe the problem there is that The GM wants to do that And the owner's like well I'm not spending $7 million more The problem there You don't know GM was in the last year of his contract

And he was going all it Come hell or high water Could have done that on LTIR though Right Unless the owner says You want to cadre And if no but if you LTRM There's your money from

I don't know how that works Either way well there's your effing hockey talk yeah i preferred potatoes myself anyway so the flames are the same team they're the same team they're coming back yeah do we have that uh death chart can we show it's i got it right here yeah you're up to date fourth line of lombard posspicill and clapka go i don't mind the fourth line that's fine play with energy let's go origin our buddies uh at origin brewing i saw dane at bull bustin last week yeah he was in one is they're not afraid oh yeah It's like, we better keep this guy away from the bowls because he's about 90 seconds away.

He thinks he's a rodeo clown. Oh, yeah. He's a clown all right. Origin brewing. They got their pancake breakfast. We love pancakes. How many did you have? 14.

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July 11th. That's just mere days from now. 10 a.m. till 2 p.m. 9.43. 28th Street, Northeast. That's the. location of the new

O.C. Origin Calgary. They've got a little, it's not little. They've got the whole, they got tanks and they got brewing and they're canning and they're firing beers and everything out of there. Tanks like military. No, no, no. You can get tanked.

You think going to have Big Mark working out of the packets? How do you like your brand cakes? Oh, very easy. Tantil 2, July 11th, 94328th, 8th, Northeast in our fine city, origin brewing, doing their pancake breakfast.

Keep sending us the photos, too. Lloyd Minster, Saskatchewan. We had some Barnburner show up. Listeners are out there. They like the blonde. They like the blonde. Barberter blondes. Are you sure it was Saskatchewan?

Well, they said it was. I was assuming it would be Alberta, but it was tough. Specifically. Yeah, I want to have. Brett, found in Lloyd Minster, Saskatchewan, and he's got some blondes. He's camping. He's got it on the,

the RVs in the background looks like a nice river runs by it's not way how does that work up there with the is it right down mainstream how do they do it I don't know but it's going to be real weird because like there's provincial tax why would you ever live on the one side and what happens if we come America America here's that way we get bought by Trump what if you're 18 you just cross through downtown now you're legal in Alberta can't drink on this guy's yeah yeah back manston way to celebrate buddy Oh, it's a beautiful day out there, didn't I? It looks like a river to me.

There's got to be something that rumbles down through that forest. Origin. They got the, what do they got? Seltzers? They got those hard seltzers down. They got, as we know, they've got the hard ice teas. Look out. Ice tea season right now.

And nude origin, cherry key lime. You love a good key lime. Oh, you're damn right. Cherry key lime, tropical mango and watermelon. Thirsty. Also with the OG, the OC, they've got O dogs. Nathan's hot dogs. Jack, you want to go have some hot dogs?

They got the brisket dog, the mac of cheese, chili cheese dogs. So you go to the tap room, you sit down, geez, I'm just, I'm starving. Get on the men they get on it. Odoes. Brisket dog. I messaged Dregor to find out how Tiny was doing on the road trip. I haven't heard back. Tiny's that huge.

He's got a great Dane. Tiny is a big, big dude. See that the Tiny is kind of like. get it it's like tongue and cheek kind of oh yeah did you get it yeah but yeah he uh he goes he's very happy not many people are to drive to manitoba and then just disappear off the grid off the grid him and his dog that's good uh good life oh the more people i see the closer i get to that yeah just kind of moving that way some solitude Get out of the city, get away from people.

Just trading all this for a dog. Kind of hard pre-show with Jack and our. Yeah. And of course, dregs and noodles. What are our noodles is doing? No hockey talk. I just want to say that I appreciate them texting me. Yeah.

And asking me to join them and come out with them while I was in town. Didn't happen. Is he come and gone? I don't know. How would I know if he's here? Well, he gave us the days. I just can't remember them. He must have my old number.

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still writing. Reading with the writers, right. Unbelievable. Lots going on. This is a huge pike bomb. Wish we have the sound effect. Cole Rushney wants to make the NHL as soon as he can. Does not want to be late.

You know what, guys? I think one more year, junior, you don't want, no, one more year at universe, no. Exciting, good young player. Very high in a lot of people's boards. and the Flames Navit him at 18 and he is a center making him immediately the number one center in their prospect covered. Please be great, son. We love you.

Could use. Could use. A good news story here. Could use. Yeah. Also, Flames Nation, we talked about Elliot's final podcast before he disappears for the summer that just dropped. There are some Flames tidbits, not in a hurry to move Mazum Cadry. In fact, very happy with Nazim Kadri.

If Nazam Khadry is requesting to leave, that's a different thing. He is not. Also, he gets into more details on the Rasmus Anderson situation and a few others. Pikes could all summarize for you right on the website. So you don't have to listen to two hours. Oh, boy, Pike? Not a boy, piker. Does your ankle twist like that, Dean?

Like, could you get that? Oh, my God. Good flexion. They would need to back the ambulance up onto the ice. That they'd be scraping, like the tire, the dirt from the tires. Like, well, can't we just stretch from them? There's no chance. Oh, that's just dangling there.

No good. Ouch. Sorry, Dean. Sorry, sir, where your ankle. Oh. Byron Bader did his post-draft organizational prospect rankings at Calgary Flames checked in at number eight. He'll be joining the show on Thursday to get in more detail about it. He particularly loved the Reschney selection and had him in his top 10 more on Thursday.

So look forward to that on the next episode of Barnburn. Byron Bader. second year in a row he's been very very very um yeah about the flames drafts yeah he's been very positive yeah amongst the top two or three teams both summers for the hall they got as compared to what you'd expect to get those draft slots nikolai eilers has a new home he went to carolina we knew the canes had some money to spend uh they found someone to take it eelers six years money wasn't crazy. Did you have the...

No. Okay. I'm not doing the Pinder report. That is fair. If I was, I'd have it. That's actually probably accurate. But they were obviously connected with McMarner a ton. Kiondra Miller added and paid immediately.

And they got the top free agent left after what, July 2, July 1. Everyone was waiting on Eilers. What the hell he was taking this time for? Eight five a year. Eight and a half a year. It sounded like, okay, that's tax rent. the Carolina. Yeah, like, I do wonder as much as, oh,

and I have no idea who might be coming through on July 1 with an offer, you know, you know, you weren't going to Winnipeg. Yeah. And if everybody else is hearing Carolina, I assume he's got Twitter. They seem like the favorites. Babe, what do you think about Carolina?

The term and the dollars, you could probably ballpark that. What do you, I'm going to take an extra day or two here, just to. The money's not the interesting part. Attention seeker, maybe. He's 29 and he took a six-year deal. That's what I.

And so are you very confident that you who've been through a lot of injuries is going to ink a new deal in? You-hoo? Maybe that's all he was. Or it's just a happiness is it. And that's what it took. But I turn 35, guess what I'm doing? Not playing hockey. He's retired.

Yeah. He'll turn 30 in February. Eight and a half be damned. Well, remember, it was like Regier. Yes. You know what? We'd give you a two-year deal. You know what?

I'm going to take one year. because I don't think I'm playing. Oh, Reggie. Really? Is that smart? Okay. It should have been his agent, eh? You've got him another year.

Like, Reg, we're just going to, LTIR that you're going to get the money anyway. You're going to meet the lake anyway. Give it to me if you don't want it. I'll take the money. What are you thinking? Gavin McKenna will be playing for the Penn State and any Lions next season, NCAA. That is the top two players expected to go off the draft board next summer,

both leaving the WHL as the defenseman Verhoff out of Victoria has already committed to NCAA. The rumored money, I've heard anywhere between a quarter of a million to 700,000 American dollars in NAL. That hasn't been made public yet, but it's a ton of money. And we talked about the other show. What do you do if you do with your medicine at? Well, you had two good years. He's gone now. We're banking on three, I'm guessing.

You're the number one to take into this and figure out what that league's going to do. because they're losing star players star players there's another kid that was drafted to Columbus 14th overall Smith he's going to Penn State too lynnstrom went fourth last year and he went to michigan state i believe like there's it's been quite an exodus of drafted or a draft eligible players to NCAA the landscape of player development's changing big time uh we do have to say goodbye to an old friend oh yeah old friend look at this Tyler jones Johnson. Remember our boy? I do. What do you remember about Tyler Johnson? He was a dirtbag. Was he? Oh, yeah. Let's see if you can verify. I mean a good boy. Okay, okay. Well, let's see here.

Impressive thing I've ever done. I don't know. Cheat on my boyfriend not have him find out. You know, this is a television camera. Yeah, it's an old boyfriend. But he's finding out right now. No, it's an old boyfriend. Not the one I'm with now. So, but this is the boyfriend is finding out on television right now. Oh, yeah. That's fine. Sorry, Ben. Why'd you cheat on him? I don't know. The guy was a famous athlete. Which famous athlete? I can't say his name.

Give us his initials. T.J. What sport does he play? Hockey. What team does he play for? Florida. Tampa Bay. Okay, so he plays for Tampa Bay.

His initials are T and J. Tyler Johnson? Okay, I have to go. That was one of the great moments in late-night television and a sound drop that we celebrated for nearly a decade. I have to go. Sweetie stop talk. Just to shut your mouth.

You. Hush little baby. Less is more. Less is more. Calgary surge are at the Scotia Bank Saddle Dome tonight. It is Surge to the Stampede. Ticket includes

submission to the grounds. They're expecting a big crowd. They had second game at Saddleham. The first was the opener last year, 12,000 plus. And we've got Mike Moriali, the former CFL slotback, PA president, broadcaster, the commissioner of the C.EBL, the basketball league, as well as its co-founder, he'll be joining us later in the program. I just like the risks, taking some risks, right, and trying to do things differently. You know, Calgary Surge has done a really good job at expanding out in the community, all four quadrants of the city, but even beyond that, going to Red Deer,

obviously this year playing in the saddle dome previously. And it's not just a return to the saddle dome, but it's a return to the saddle dome during Stampede. So it's just different. It just, you know, we want to be where people are and give them an opportunity to see what the CBL is all about and certainly what the surge is all about. So I expect a really good game against some really good teams.

He said that he's pals with Jesse Lumsden from his CFL days and that he's going to ride shotgun with Lumber. So thoughts and prayers to Morialli this week. Yeah, that's right. Don't turn your back. Watch your wallet. Or just don't expect to wait in line. There's a Navy.

You don't need to hear it. Love Lumber. What a beauty. Need to get them on. Lumber. 7.30 start. And again, you can find the tickets on the surge website or ticket master.

Italian sandwich. Oh. How did you like the sandwich place you went to last week? Remember we were talking about? Yeah. You got to get Dino there. He's going to like that place. What today you're saying?

After the show. Yeah. That Italian marketplace with the sandwiches? Oh yeah, yeah. That's good too. Or the burrito place. I haven't done the burrito place. Perritos are not a recipe for me and productivity for the rest of the day.

Yeah, but you're going to the fast food place. This is a high quality. Bison burrito even. Yes, bison. Bison. It's kind of like, remember where they wanted people to stop throwing rice at weddings because birds would eat them and then the rice would expand to their belly? I feel like burritos do that to me.

If you got rice in there, it's like, oh, they expand your belly. Get a full screen jack, please. What's happening? Oh, my God, I'm going to explode. Well, you had a burrito. William Mason in the new show. It sees a trailer. No.

Oh, what the guy from airplane. He did all the done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, naked gun. Naked guns. Yeah. Be careful. Sorry. Calvary FC is in action tonight.

They've got a second leg of a Canadian championship matchup with Vancouver FC. They win this through into the final four. It is a 730 start at Akofield at Spruce Meadows. Tonight. Tonight. What a night. What a night. It's going to be nice and hot.

I'll be there tonight. Look at the odds. Cavs' favorite minus 200. Shit, yeah. Hell yeah. Magoo. They win this. I think I win tonight.

If they do that, a very good chance of drawing an MLS. team here in August. Messy. Oh, no, Canadian one. Messy. Finally. Don't say messy. Don't say messy.

Messy and Calgary. Calgary stampeters. We love them up for that incredible Stampede Bowl performance. They have got the DERS this week. A clash of Western Titans. Stamps of 3-100. The riders lost yet.

Four and oh. Listen. Love you stamps with the riders. Corey Mace. Come on. You just want good football. That's what you want. This is going to be one hell of a game.

And I'm going to be in Saskatchewan. Go to this game. No. It's not going to that game. It's Regina. Yeah. It is Regina. I'm going to Regina.

For this game. Are you excited about it? I'm not going to the game. Are you excited about it? Go to that brewery that is the NH194 and the wrestling. It's no. Well, here's the thing. The reason I'm going, I'm happy about.

Another concert tour? Yeah. Are you serious? Final stop. You're a nerd. Final stop on the concert tour. That's so amazing. I'm happy for you.

Yeah. Why don't you go to a different concert? No, he's a groupie. He's got his one concert. He travels around. Listen, he was at the big force on the night. The amount of bullshit money you wasted on this duster, you could have went to George Strait and Chris Stapleton with the retro in the Bilo.

Guys, a Grammy award winner. What's that mean? You suck up to producers. Way to go. Not at all. Just like you and Jack. Suck it up to Jack all the time. Unbelievable.

Favorable. Ders is favored by four and a half. Had to stand the whole night. It was at the big four standing. Oh, my God. That's the Friday night. CFL contest. We're in cowboy boots.

Bad choice. Milk was a bad choice. Milk was a bad choice. Why don't you, maybe if you did the burrito with the milk, it'll balance it. To get there early, because you want to,

you know, you're just going to stand. Then you're standing and you continue to stand. The show's done. You're still standing. My feet. I guess a week ago, Dean said,

go Yankees. The Js have not lost since. Nine and a row. What is happening with the jays? We're good, Dean. What is happening? It's all these young guys that are just supposed to be death guys. They're in the cover off the ball.

You know what? I think I was there in 2050. Just saying. You probably were. Muni, Mineroy, Kawasaki, Bush Party, Bananas. Words. Words. That's Josh Donaldson, too.

That's been a while. You're right. Holy moly. We'll revisit the Jay's game. We get to about three, six, five. How's it on? Even with the food freeze, son. Monday's.

Finally, Jack, for you, as an American, you can stand, you can rise. You can put your hand on your heart. You can remove your hat because here is Joey Chestnut at the Coney Island hot dog eating competition for Nathan's. We're not going to get to the record, but 70 would be in a remarkable feat to achieve 70 again. Watch him here in the last seconds. Joey's going to get it in. Boom. This is just.

I can't watch it. That's gross. Jack, you stopped at what, four and a half? Five and a half. Five and a half, yes. And you had like three hours, right? Yeah, he just crushed 70 and... 10 minutes.

Wow. It is odd. Like, you see the number and you're like, okay. It's a lot, yeah. And then you, if, like, if you put it on the table, oh, horrifying. Yeah, imagine. Where are those going?

A platter comes out with 70 dogs on it. Where are those going? You can have a backyard cooker with all your first. friends would be like well we've got too many hot dogs that you already we've got 70 we have 12 people are come back oh my god you get it out get it out of yeah and you know what the other thing is too is there a ticker that's showing them okay so number two they're at 46 45 44 feel like I to stop in the 60s high 50s I can probably pace myself he's a professional so he's basically almost double like the guy's the other side of this is that there are professional eaters that are and he's still

he's a goat yeah look a dude beside it's what are what are you bothering yeah you're at 46 because that's not jack that guy's not a quitter that's true yeah no one likes a quitter jack jack jack you think you get three down apparently there was a cheater at this really yes one guy got uh you got punted i don't know what he did no bueno remember that kobiashi got accused to having some weird stomach surgery just made a hole and they all fell out i don't know shady business guys shady business one final piece stampede don't go full jack it's uh

this is a trick that you do not want to replicate friends this is stampede tent puddle water no don't do this be better oh no sweetie no no no oh no there's no that's not unnecessary totally unnecessary stupid money is a thing that's

that or a brick of butter What would you do first? Although if I got one of those straws, I'd drink it out of the straw. Yeah, you'd have to filter it out. Filter strine. Yeah, that doesn't look. She's putting that in her mouth. Be better, Calgary, and be safe, everyone.

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boy like i've been ham what's he thinking like that guy's an ass yeah he's taking advantage of the situation. Yeah. Like, what's worse? That or the beer out of the boot? Oh, the boots fine. That's a,

that's a right of passion. That's, the boot's fine? Well, I mean, I've been some places the last three days. You don't want to be drinking

the pot of water. And the boot's not great. At least you know what's been in the boot. And it's not next to an outhouse. Fair? Yeah, you could get a real. Oh.

And again, I don't blame her. You want to tape or what are you doing? I don't blame her. You blame the guy? I think that guy's a real D-Beg. That's a Richard Moe. It is.

That was the date today. The eighth. Yeah, it's the eighth. That you get all your deals when you go shopping online today. Right. No, I just want to send you something here, Jackie Boy.

Oh, Jackie Boy. Well, let's speed it up so I can go get it. By the way, I kept saying the surge games tonight. It's tomorrow night. Jesus Christ, Ryan. Jesus. When's the Pro M golf event? That's a big deal.

deal pro on it's today oh my god no it's not a peron that was just ams all over yeah that's the media hack event the media hack's indeed my friends yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah how's greg uh from bontan great said uh very very every day better everyday better feeling feeling good enough to tailgate so very happy for him had the spread going he's got his posse excited about the stamps. I've been thinking a lot about Bontan lately. Just been thinking about him a lot. Yeah, I get it.

It's that time of year, man. Right? I was close today, but it wasn't open. Right. What story did he tell? He's just like, yeah, Red always calls me. He's like, oh, you need me? And he's like, yeah, okay, what do you want?

And then Red goes dark. Yeah. And we're like, yeah, kind of Red does it to everyone and everything. So don't take it personally. He said, no, no, I got it all figured out. I just immediately text his wife and we get the order done. And then I said, meet, meet ready. Meet ready.

Meat ready. And ret comes and gets the meat. Yeah. Because any time of year is good bontan time. But this is prime bontan time. I'm due to put some steaks on the grill. You know what I want to do? I want to get one of those open pit kind of fireplaces.

Yeah, yeah. Like they do down in Argentina. Oh. Okay. And do some grilling on a check. Jack, he's sick. Trying to do it. Are you sick?

I'm good. Is that why you weren't out? Good. Not a night out. It just folds like a short-trent. You were saying. Argentina barbecue, Jack. Argentinian.

Yeah. So what are they? Is it, uh, it can crank it's like on a, yeah. Because I know Greg has those, uh, things for the pig roast. The box. Yeah, but that's, that's almost simple. You get it heated up and ready, throw it in there. This is a, apparently this is a real art form.

And I think you and I, you do. We could do a show on me. Okay. Since you're back from Regina. Just meet. in Buenos Aires. It's going to be a quick trip. Jack,

just in the Buenos Aires. Yeah. Picana. Bontan meats. Look at the pecanna. Piccana. I'll say this, June, the weather in June,

Mother Nature owes us. Yeah. It's coming today. It's coming. Barbecue, grill, whatever you want to call it, whatever terminology you use. You can't be outside.

Bontan meat market. If you have people coming over, family, you're hosting something. like, well, I'm going to go get a, we're going to go get a tray here and get a tray there. Or you just, you contact Bon Ton and say, I've got this many people coming.

How much, how much of this do I eat? How much of that? He will not give you 70 hot dogs. Yeah, you're not coming away with some, unless you want it, chestnut plate of gross hot dogs. Here's what we recommend, salads, desserts, different types of, whatever it is, you go, you pick it up,

and you're set. and it's the best Bontan meat market 24 consecutive years Calgary and Southern Alberta's Consumer Choice Award winner 28 Crowfoot Circle in the Northwest 24 years Yeah

It should almost be like that hot dog eating contest I don't know why anyone bothers It's not bragging if it's true 24 years What do you laugh at? I'm laughing How many times have we seen some golf fights lately Dude I saw that

this morning. Did you see this? An old Nick Turnassie. Remember Nick Turn asked? Tostom right in the lake. The Nick Turn asked me. I sent this to this morning. Did you not see this?

No, I saw you sent it. Goodness. I didn't know if it was. It's the former. This guy's mouth it off. Nick's like, you don't want to do this. You don't want to do this. You want to do this.

You're in the lake. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Oh, boy. He's pumping himself up here. Yeah, I guess really. Okay. He wants it bad. You sure?

Camera works. Are you sure? I want it to go. There you go. there you go cool off dummy and then he comes on he wants more then he takes him rights and he wants more i blame the beer cart driver clearly overserved oh he's gonna get drilled yet there's one there's two i that's a big nick is a big man that's also a pro tip once you've been thrown in the water hazard you're done fighting just taking it this is awesome why didn't we play this we have it

Yeah, like you're done, you're not, do we want it? You're not fighting anymore. We'll have to. Okay, well, we'll close the show. I'm actually surprised he's not knocked out. Because Nick could hit you hard enough. Yeah, he can. He's done it before.

Nick was saying, you don't want this, you don't want this, you don't want. And well, Nick was right. No, what I was grabbing there is when I was, I'm very sorry on my telephone. Because I know Greta has been swinging all week. Oh, man. Are they tiring out yet? They are not tiring out. Oh, they're their jacksage, but they're actually acting jacksies.

This is great. They're flooring it. Look what they got. So today, Tuesday, the 8th, open a two, nice and early. Oh, baby. Got the DJ Sam Hampton going tonight tomorrow, early open. Look on Thursday. The Morgan Wallen lookalike contest.

Oh, my God. That was a dollar cash price. That's amazing. So if you're unfamiliar with Morgan Wall and he's got the mustache, the mullet, I could have done that. He's got a look. cut my hair too short. They got the live band, the frontiers who are great.

Talent in the basement. Talent is they got that going in the basement. Friday, doubling up in the alley in the basement. Saturday, look out. Sunday, DJ Fatty's back. Jay Fatty. Friday. Back on Sunday.

Sunday. Friday. So, yeah, are they tapering off? Nope. They're just cranking up. They are cranking up. That would be a good one on Thursday. You'll follow them on social media.

Their social media stuff on Instagram is really good. That Morgan Wallin one should be all right. Jack, you got a buddy that could win that or what? Do you grow a mustache real quick? No, I can't win that. What about defauss? Yeah. Your effort in anything.

If something bothering you, Jack, do we go for lunch? Like, geez. It's a matter. I just gave you the week. All right. I'm good, yes. Come on. Am I winning that?

No. No, but you get some months and buddy. It's a great excuse to get out there. Let's go. You're not winning with that attitude. Yeah. Seriously. They're losing.

There's only trying and there's learning. Live and learn. Yeah. Living and learning. You're as excited for Stampede as Boomer is about slow pitch and Wainwright. That's, that shouldn't be nice.

You know what? You're a big George straight fan. I expect you to take some of advice. There's a difference between living and living well. Listen to your elders. Son. There is a difference between living and live and a little. Wow.

Looking at the beef bow buns here. Oh, my God. Carni asana. Steak Tanikitos. What's checking in Jamaica, Y, YC? Lots going on to Greta. I would have a Jamaican spring roll. They dropped a few off.

Yeah, I'm okay. If they dropped one off, get me tickets to that. Have you got them tickets for tonight? I mean, tomorrow nights. Somebody forget, but if he circles back, I'll actually look for him. You didn't forget about stamps game. He did indeed show up. And what day did I let you know?

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but we have a super chat. Is this a dirty one? I kind of took a glance at this. It feels like this is offside. Like I always say, we're going to do it anyway. Pull it down really quick. You centers of Calgary.

You don't want it to benefit with the dough. Ballet, you can do it. Feels dirty. No, it's not. Handsome Dan, 50 bucks. Jack, your mom messaged us. Very nice lady. You should visit and call her more.

Paying attention to our moms makes us better sons. Oh, really? Because I ignored my mom when she sent. me this. I'll send it to you, Jack. What is going on here? What's going on, Handsome Dan and your mom, Jack? Your mom message.

Well, my mom lives out on the island. That's where I got to be, by the way. I need to be on the island at the lake. Yeah, you do. Get yourself. If I was very specific of where you need to be of 25 years old. Good God. I think just meets this weekend, maybe.

Instead of being in some time. Anyways. My mom lives on the island. Hanson Dan's out on the island. Maybe she's looking to... Is she sliding into his DM? Sliding in. She hot tubbing with handsome dance on the coast?

She going fishing. I'm interested in some of your property. Well, it's for the kids, I guess. I'm interested in some of those private parts that you've got online. Handsome Dan's a gentleman. Yes, he is. And a scholar.

Well, I was pretty sure he was. And if he's got people's, stop talking, Dean. Yep, thank you. It's Jack's mom. That is, that's actual. real life thing. You have a mom and we're talking about her now. Don't need to do that anymore. Next. Thank you, Dean. Back to you.

It would be beautiful out there now, though, eh? Oh, so nice. And why are you? Yeah. So what's holding you back? No, I'm here with you guys. Oh, that sucks. Well, you could do it remotely, can't you? Oh, they got no internet or anything out there in really off the grid. Yeah, they're a little off the grid on the red string. Let's get the F. Let's go. Let's call you guys want to go. Let's go. Old handsome. Dad didn't mention that when we were talking about the... I think he's on the grid, but the rental spots. It's like, yeah, we got a hot tub and it's on the water and fishing and no internet.

It's a nice little selling feature. Well, thanks for the generous donation there. Handsome Dan. Quick fitty for the U.S. Centers of Calgary. I like that a lot. Is this a compliment, like if your mom sends you this? If I need sound advice, I call my firstborn. If I need a partner in crime, I call my second born.

Which one are you? I guess not sure what you're saying mom it's just nice to that you're thanks for thinking of staying in touch I got the Bella clavas and I know which bank we're hitting thanks right think of me because a lot of times you I would think as a parent you don't hear from your kids well very sad they're okay at least you guys have a nice little back and forth going heartwarming I'm a tried mama tried got a message that well we got a we got

we got one coming in here but it's tricky it happens more than once people will put the money in and then send the message but they don't put any content the message but we take the eight we take the eight bucks 52 audit 52 okay appreciate that all your boy j was on a roll on Friday oh i bet he would have been there too yeah he's not afraid

he's got drowned his oil or sorrows i get it's too bad it's a shame isn't it? Yeah, it is a shame. CJ, you got like 10 seconds. So that thing that you sent, are we putting it is, are we waiting for it to come up? You don't have to put it up. If you said Thursday, that's fine. Oh, you just read it. I just read it. Okay, we'll

leave that for a Thursday. Very good. So again, Surge game. Tomorrow night. Which is what day of the week? Wednesday, the 9th. Wednesday, the ninth. I hate for those people that just played the clip yeah they'll be racing

dropping off kids at daycare you're going to go to buy the tickets what is it tonight or they're going to buy the tickets and then show up oh jeez oh geez we did giveaway tickets last year to the stampede game someone drove to win sport we're like oh guys come on we're trying to give you free tickets here

just read the ticket come on guys walk in at some speaking of Jay is this in sync I'll be going tomorrow What do you mean at Backstreet Boys concert? I came to watch the search. Stupid pender.

But Mike Morialli, you may know him from his CFL exploits. 12 years in the CFL is a slotback. He was the president of the PA for two years. Worked on Tycats broadcast and then launched this league at the Surge playing and has been their commissioner since 2018. There you go. Fancy boy. Come to town.

Come to town. Mike Morialli in conversation. with Pender. Tomorrow night it is Calgary against Montreal, the Alliance Against the Surge at the Saddle Dome, the second game at the Saddleham. The first was the opener last year, over 12,000 fans in attendance. And it's the stampede and your ticket gets you into the grounds. This is a big event for the surge. And they've been very, very excited about it for a while. It's not something the league's unfamiliar to. But when you look to the surge and you see them getting involved in the stampede playing in a huge NHL rink, what excites you about that?

I just like the risks taking some risks, right, and trying to do things differently. You know, Calgary Surge have done a really good job at expanding out in the community, all four quadrants of the city, but even beyond that, going to Red Deer, obviously this year, playing in the Saddle Dome previously. And, you know, it's not just a return to the Saddle Dome, but it's a return to the Saddle Dome during Stampede. So it's just different. It just, you know, we want to be where people are and give them an opportunity to see what the CBL is all about.

certainly what the surge is all about. So I expect a really good game against some really good teams. Have you been to Stampede? I know in the CFL, it was always a rule, like get the players the hell out of here. A, there's probably not enough hotel rooms. And B, there's a lot of trouble to get into. That changed this year. The Stampeders had a Stampede Eve or opener game.

Their Stampede Bowl, which was a huge success. But as a guy that played in the league forever and then represented the union for a while, did you ever get to Stampede on your own? No, they didn't trust us. And I don't blame them. I got to be honest. I don't blame them one bit. This will be my first stampede. I've never been to a stampede. And for many of the reasons I was playing. And then obviously in my role now, I just haven't, hasn't met up. But this is a great opportunity for one of a couple of buddies down for Jesse Lums. And I say, what am I going to get myself into here? Let's see. Let's watch some good basketball. Let's watch some horsebag riding and cattle roping and some concerts. I'm pumped about it. Well, hopefully you've got the same size feet as Lumsden because you can always tell the tourists. You need the cowboy boots, Mike.

It's not an easy purchase, but they last the lifetime. So you get Lumber on the line and he'll get you decked out, the old Western gear, the cowboy hat. We're looking forward to the game. It's going to be a ton of fun. This is year three in Calgary. The surge were a franchise from elsewhere. There was, I think, an exhibition held here late in the season prior with an

Edmonton team, but what has the Calgary surge and this ownership group meant to the league through two and a half years? Well, I think they've meant quite a bit. Obviously, the West Division or Western Conference is really strong, got great ownership across all the teams. Calgary's a big market, you know, relative to the other markets and they've seemed to do a really good job integrating themselves. I mean, certainly from a community perspective, they have been everywhere and anywhere in their short history. What they've done on the court, I mean, they've gone back-to-back championship weekends

in the first two years. They're trending that same direction now. So I just love what they've done to get out in front of people and not just get in front of people, but bring people into a wind sport or bring people into the Saddle Dome that have never been in those arenas before for a chance to see something different

that something maybe plays more close to the heart, of some of the fans that we have, which are young and very diverse. So, you know, that's, you got to do boots on the ground to do that, right? You have to get out in the community and the surge have done a tremendous job. It's funny because the league feels new to us, but, you know, you're not. You guys have been out of since 2018 when you co-founded the league and have been the commissioner since day one. I feel like it's people are like, you're explaining the target score and everyone's excited

about these venues that have so much energy, like, man, these games go by quick. You're not hanging around for four hours. which, you know, some other leagues have had issues with that. And I think in today's world, the two to two and a half hour entertainment window seems to be the spot. How would you explain the CBL to a Calgary to the Stampede? He's like, oh, I heard about that. What is it? What is the CBO?

You know, it's sometimes it's best for me to compare it to what else people know. We're not the NBA, but we're the best basketball played in North America outside the NBA. I mean, our, our talent is G-League level or better. where we're a little different than the G League is, we play more of a team game. So the G League really is there to try to get the two-way players and the NBA clubs go up and down. It's just a lot of selfish basketball,

but it's good basketball, but it's just different. And in our league, it's about jelling as a team quick. We're a six, kind of six eight, six nine league that plays above the rim, very transitional up and down the court. But it's not just the level of play, which is incredible. The Feeba style games, to your point, quick, you're in out in a couple hours, less timeouts, our target score ending, which I probably don't have time to explain,

but if you see it once, you'll kind of be like, oh, now I get what that's all about. This is the best way to finish a basketball game, which is really, you know, next bucket wins, backdoor basketball or backyard basketball. And then, you know, just that everything that's wrapped around the game, the music and the art and the lifestyle and the shoes and the culture, it's just, a lot of that is just part of the game itself. And our teams do a really good job with DJs throughout. and a lot of stuff going on before the game, during the game, after the game.

But if you can head out to a game, you can have dinner before, hit the game, go out after, go to the game, grab some drinks after. There's a lot of flexibility because of that kind of two-hour time window. And your attention span is still there, right? Nowadays, attention spans are short. But the quality of play is incredible. I would encourage anybody who hasn't seen a game to please watch one, and I'm pretty sure you'll be hooked.

It is a, you know, a really upcoming sport, obviously, in this country. But, you know, the trajectory of Canadian basketball, Canadian talent, the NBA, Europe, CBL is huge. And you can see the groundswell that's happening. Yeah, well, it doesn't hurt you get guys like SGA winning the MVP of the NBA and as a champion. Like, it's not just, oh, there's our Canadians. Like there's multiple Canadians on many teams in the NBA. and we're starting to see some NBA talent and guys with NBA pedigree trickling into your league. Has that been an emphasis or is that just coaches and teams trying to find good players?

And there they are. You know, I was just talking about this today. I think one of the biggest tipping points in our league was when we got through COVID. You know, we're the first league in the country to play in a bubble back in 2020. What is it? I don't even remember 2020. And, you know, we followed up with another 2021 season where we were the first league to allow fans back across the country. So when you're able, when you're able to face adversity and get through

some of the things, albeit just because you're just crazy, you got no choice, you know, you're not even thinking about it, you're just looking, putting one step in front of the other. And, you know, we're risk takers. We're disruptors. But that particular time, I think was incredibly important for us because there was no European basketball. So those players didn't have a place to play, but there was a place to play in the CBL. And that led into an NBA CEC. with chat all those COVID issues, but then our players start getting called up on these kind of 10-day contracts. And once you create a pathway, then it just, it's like a snowball effect. And once these players leave the teams they play on and they go to Europe or they go to the G-League

or they go to the NBA, they tell their teammates. And then next, you know, we have thousands of people that want to play in the CBL. That's a good problem to have. And that allows us to now look at what's next. Do we expand? Do we grow? What do we do with our rosters? because the talent level is there and the desire to be there is here too because they know what the pathway's been created and they can get seen and noticed and get some more money or get a better contract

or live over here. It's a short season and I love it. It kind of fits the Calgary summer here. You start in May, you're wrapped up by the end of August. Where do most of your players spend their winners? And if you're going to describe the typical CBL player, it's probably a Canadian given that, you know, most of your rosters and on the court,

you've got a percentage that have to be Canadian. But these are guys that are playing some really high-level basketball, maybe in the winter elsewhere. Is that fair to say? Yeah, all of them do with the exception of, you know, our developmental players, which are usually U-Sports or CCAA athletes, they'll return back to school, generally speaking, which is another huge advantage to them.

But we have, I think, over 50 players this year that are G-League players. So Canadian and Americans, they'll go back to the G-League or if they get lucky enough to the NBA. We have another, you know, 90-plus players. that are European players, but at the highest level. You know, they're playing in Spain, you know, LCB, the gold or the silver level, which is incredible basketball or in China or in all over Europe, Asia, etc. And, you know, they go there for seven, eight months of the year,

just make some pretty good money. And they come home and the players that we attract are the ones that want to get better. The ones that said, yeah, yeah, I made my, you know, a couple hundred grand here, but I want to make more or I want to get my foot in the door or be seen by the NBA or other leagues. So we don't get a lot of characters in a bad way. We get a lot of players that are here to play. They really want to play. They want to show what they're about.

They're great community ambassadors. And they're high-level players. They don't take games off. So it's fun. And we're an important part of their journey, albeit a smaller part of the journey, but we play a very important crucial role in that whole kind of year. It's funny.

We got a soccer team here in the CPL, obviously a CFL franchise. You guys are here. Those are all sort of overlapping summer products, but I just, you know, less about the leagues and more about this country. It seems like the biggest challenge for all these leagues, even the new women's pro soccer league.

It's ownership and a venue. And just the sports infrastructure is really a large challenge. How has it been on the basketball side? because you don't need infrastructure that's as difficult as, say, a soccer or a football pitch. There's a lot of hockey rinks that have seats in this country. Is the infrastructure challenge as real for you guys as it is the other leagues I mentioned? It's real in a way that sometimes a market won't have a mid-sized venue. So let's look at Calgary, for instance.

The wind sport's great, but you're limited at like 3,700-ish. And then you've got Saddle Dome at 18,000 plus. You don't have that 7 to 10 or 5 to 10. And some of our markets do. And they excel because you have the intimacy of a little bit of a smaller bowl, but you could also grow to fill it. There are no purpose-built facilities for basketball in this entire country. So there's no basketball facility.

They're all arenas that have been, you know, we convert them the best we can. But again, you know, that's the fact that we have venues to play in and we can tweak them and modify them is a great thing. The fact that they're generally speaking open to us most of the time because arenas are pretty dead. in the spring and summer that you have a good relationship with the landlords you know they want to keep their staff happy they want to bring people into their venue for instance that have never been in it before but you know we're always pushing for that purpose built facilities or practice facilities or indoor facilities for indoor sports which are very lacking you you know i've spent some time in calgary you guys have you know corner the market on the majority of that stuff with

exception of that mid-sized arena but um you know places like ontario we don't have those which is crazy you You'd think they have all the facilities. We don't have those indoor training centers and all that stuff. So that's kind of a mid to long-term goal of mine is to lobby to get those types of things built. Tennis did a really good job at building facilities. And now we're seeing tennis players at the highest levels all over the world. So a lot of facilities have a major, major role to play in the development of the sport. You've been very much on the cutting edge of marketing.

You called your league, you know, disruptors. term be used, which I think is totally accurate. You're not afraid to take risks. You noted that. Part of that is going to the Saddle Dome tomorrow night for the second time and one of two trips this year. Part of that was an outdoor game in Montreal. Part of that is bringing in basketball influencer inserts. So like Tristan Jazz is a guy on the Vancouver roster. How did he become a player in the CBL? And how's that experience been? It was pretty cool. We got notified through Tristan came out last year with Scarborough did like a day or two messing around with him doing some trick shots and then kind of held his own in some of the practice time. And I think he was like, man, I really want to play.

He's a baller. He's a hooper, you know, college level baller that just turned his attention elsewhere. And it's been quite successful, I might add. You know, he's got over 11 million followers and really get great kid. So, you know, we put it out to our teams. Vancouver saw the benefit, right? Vancouver's like, listen, this makes sense. And let's give him a shot. And if he makes it great, if he doesn't make it, well, he doesn't make it. But, you know, if he works hard, we'll give him a chance. He went out there to a lot of fanfare. Kids love them out there. I mean, the lineups for his autograph wrote the door and back again, which kind of, you know, when I look at the business, obviously there's a basketball component, but then there's that influencer component. Let's face it, right? People we had Jay Cole play

here a couple of years ago, which was mind blowing. And Trist's, in for the younger generation is like Jay Cole. Like it's a big deal. So all those things are cool. But even, you know, we tried an outdoor game. We've got through a half. It was probably the craziest, coolest experience I've had of, you know, one half of basketball. And then Bethlehem set set in and you try and solve for it. But, you know, I hope to do that again. And I hope to do some different things. The target score is a big disruptive thing that no other league in the world does. And we just want to be different. We want to. be a fun, entertaining experience, right?

We play really, really good basketball, but we're not limited to that. Fair enough. Tell me more about that outdoor game, because I believe was it not a tennis venue where the National Bank open is every summer that you converted and literally just blue skies above, but there was a bit of a mishap at halftime.

Well, we had that on hold for five days, because let's face it, you never know what's going to happen late May. And it rained all five days, including the day of the game. We had tarped the court and done all this stuff. And then all of a sudden, the blue skies open. And we're like, oh, my God, you know, the stars are aligning. Well, they aligned for a little bit.

We got, you know, 9,000 people showed up. It was at IGA Stadium in Montreal. It was an incredible experience when you're sitting in the stands. You can see the clouds and the planes flying by. And it just dust kind of falls and you're playing under the lights. It was very, very cool. And then when we went to halftime, come those 15, 20 minutes, it's like the dew point hit and all that moisture that was laying

around just got sucked up through the court and it was like an icing wing. And, you know, we had fans, like I couldn't tell you. It must have been 100 fans on the court with hand towels trying to clean it. It was a very cool experience and the players are great, but it just, you can't put them in harm's way like that. And we had to call it early, but that just gave me a taste for wanting to do it again. I was at the first Saddle Dome game, which I believe was the opener for the surge last year. And it was incredible.

I mean, great sort of atmosphere and in-game activations around it. Huge crowd. You could tell there was a large appetite and excitement around the surge and basketball in the community. What are you excited for tomorrow night at the dome? I think just integrating the surge into Stampede and just the amount of people coming and go, just so it's part of that event. I mean, obviously, Stampede's a world-renowned event. I'm excited to go for the first time.

But, you know, it's a big to do. It's a big destination. It's where people go and, you know, if we get people coming into our game for a couple hours and watch what's going on and head back out to enjoy the rest of the evening, I think it just, anytime you can weave yourself into the fabric of a community and there's no bigger, I guess, event in Calgary than the Stampede. And just being part of that, no different than the stampede. what the stampeters did to kick off stampede, right?

It's just attaching myself to something. And it goes both ways. The stampede has been very gracious in allowing us to bring our basketball event there without worrying about it cannibalizing anything or vice versa. We just want to be part of that whole festival. And I think that's important to introduce yourself to people that you've never seen you before. I want you to tell me about championship weekend. The surgery is having a great year.

They're a position to do what they've done the last two years. which is be one of the best teams in their conference to get a chance to head to the host city. Where are we going when? And what do you make of the, I guess, the speculative field at this point? Well, it's going to be exciting championship weekend. It's in Winnipeg. And if the fans know anything about Winnipeg, it is a hotbed for the CBL basketball. We're averaging 9,000, fans a game.

I expect come championship weekend that we're going to sell out the building. We're at the Canada Life Center. So we play where the Jets play and done that since day one to great success. So the West is going to be tough because the host gets a buy. So Winnipeg's getting that buy into the semis. And then it's going to be a dog fight between the Calgary's and the Edmontons and the Vancouver's. And Sask is coming on too. You never know any given day that standings move through three, four spots.

But all four teams will beat in Winnipeg, two from the east, two from the west. It's the final four meets the Grey Cup. So there'll be street festivals and concerts and, you know, half-time shows and commissioners luncheons and breakfasts and award shows. It's a Canadian basketball event. And the beauty about going to Winnipeg this year, you know, the city has really gotten behind us. The province has got behind us. So it's going to be a substantial event, our biggest one to date, and one that is going to be pretty exciting. So I know the surge want to be back, but so to a handful of other teams.

So we'll see what happens. Finally, it's an incredible career you've carved out. Everyone would assume that back in 2018 when you were a broadcaster, following some work with the PA and after a 12-year CFL career, it was a football guy. You co-founded a basketball league and have signed up to be the commissioner for the first decade with your contract running through 28. Can we call you a basketball guy?

or a football guy or is this just Mike Morial is the entrepreneur? I you know what I think it's just the way I'm wired you know I listen I I would have loved to be in football because I that's what I knew that was what got me to where I am today. But you know the CFL is a pretty small insulated league and it takes a minute to get through a few of those doors you know they've been held by the same similar people for quite some time but that's okay um you know I had all this knowledge of of the CFL, which prior to us and the CPL was the only national domestic league in the whole country for 100 plus years. So, you know, I've become a basketball guy. I just, you know, I just,

I kind of created the CFL of basketball, for lack of a better word, or lack of a better analogy, and, you know, was able to take the really good pieces because I can peel them away and it discards some of the ones that maybe didn't fit to what we were trying to do. And I'm in a really good sport at a really good time. So I'm pretty blessed that in hindsight, I'm exactly where I need to be and where I want to be. Well, hey, we're excited to have you in town. If you've got Lumsden next to you, you're going to be able to go wherever you want to go. Part bodyguard, part celebrity. So you're in great shape there. We hope it's going to be a great game. We hope the surge come away with another thrilling victory. They've been having a great season thus far. And thanks for your time coming on today.

We'd encourage everyone to get to the surge website and ticket master to get their tickets for the surge to the stampede at the Saddle Dome. Tomorrow night, 7.30 against the Montreal Alliance. Mike, thanks so much for your time today. Appreciate you having me on and hope to see a bunch of those fans shortly.