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Episode Date: May 23, 2023

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All right, we're in, we're ready. Tower Chrysler Studios here on a Tuesday. I see the name of the show today. The band is getting back together. Ben sold. Craig Conroy and Dave Knowness, longtime teammates. Is that? Well, Rhett, you're going to announce you're part of this team?

That would be because Rhett and Connie go away back. I was hoping you guys would have an AI-generated letter for me to send in. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah, well, it worked so well the last time. There's Frank Cerravelli. He's our NHL Insider, a presentation of Bontan meets. We'll get to it.

Craig Conroy is in. He, uh, all in, about 20 years as a flame. Eight and a half years as a player, about, uh, almost the same as an exact. 12 as the, either in a special assistant two or the assistant two or the adjust, you know how it goes. It's a man who's paid his dues, Craig Conroy. And I know you are very. much on board with the hire. Yeah, no doubt. I just in some ways, as you hinted at, I'm kind of shocked

that they didn't go this path right from the very beginning, the exact moment in time that Don Maloney was promoted to president of hockey ops. But, you know, why rib on the process if they got it right at the end of the day? And that's what I believe is the best move for the Calgary flame, someone that understands your market, someone that understands your players has played and now worked for your owner, just has such a really good feel and a positive energy and vibe to him that I think is really going to serve this team and this market well. And I think someone that I'm curious to see what his own stamp on it looks like.

Like what does Craig Conroy choose to do a little bit differently? Who, you know, who advises him? Who does he take counsel from? And what is his belief and thought process on how to build the best NHL team in 2020? like there's a lot of things to unpack and I'm curious to see some of his answers beginning today. Dave Nonas is expected and reported by many insiders to be joining this front office. What's his role and what I guess looking at Don Maloney is the president. Also Bob Murray still here.

Dave Nonas now joins Conroy's in. We're expecting a title for Jerome. I don't know how much that means, but this is a very, maybe walk us through some of the dynamics that are going on as they build this new management. team. Yeah, so I don't know the exact title for Dave Nones. I think it's something like senior vice president and assistant general manager. I don't know if the assistant general manager tag is formally attached to that or not. Dave Nones, I don't think he's expected to move to Calgary. He was working on the East Coast while he was still with Anaheim. Obviously, someone that was a trusted advisor to Bob Murray, who you mentioned, is still advising the flames.

And obviously, ownership was really impressed with what they saw from Dave Nowness during the interview process, someone that has, you know, big Canadian market GM experience, has found success in the NHL as an executive. And, you know, I think there's still a few wrinkles are part of this to figure out. Obviously, we know Chris Snow is going to be back as assistant GM. that was one of the top priorities for Brad Tree Living on the way out, was to make sure that he extended Chris Snow with a contract. I think Brad Pascal also got a contract extension as well before Brad Tree Living left.

But given that Brad Pascal was one of the interviewees as part of this process, does he remain in his post also as assistant GM? That's one thing to figure out. I'm sure there's probably a lot of disappointment that comes with that. as you might imagine here everything the flames and oilers are always tied whether they are or not but in the eyes of fans and critics and whatever they're always going to be compared and there are already the kind of drumbeat well this is like that old boys club that everybody made fun of when you had kevin low and paul coffee and craig macabas she had that whole thing and we know how that went in edmonton why will this be different i think i think in any job you you hire people you end up knowing that you trust you especially in a small like Craig, it's your first real jump in as a general manager. You're going to want people that you feel like you know well and that you can trust. Why, I guess what leads you to believe that this is something that could work if in fact,

Aginla, we hear Alex Tangay's name potentially, that he's bringing in his buddies to help run the ship? Why will this be different? Like Craig Conroy has vast NHL experience that he wasn't. just a Calgary flame. You know, he played a chunk of his career there in the middle, of course, getting to the cup final in, in 2004, also finished his career there, but had stops in other places. You know, this is a late round draft pick that played four years of college hockey, that has done everything in the NHL from healthy scratch all the way to captain.

And then off the ice, as you mentioned, his career experience, this is year 14. in terms of either being a special assistant or an actual assistant general manager that I mentioned he's touched every facet of this organization so he's earned the opportunity. This isn't the sort of back slapping, you know, cronies, you know, old boys club that, you know, you see perpetuated here.

And I think when you look at some of the people that he might bring in and is rumored to bring in, like, is there a better connection than bringing someone like Jerome McGinla back into the fold? And not just a window dressing advisory sort of way. Like, this is a real critical year for Jerome McGinla in terms of coaching his son in Colonna, wants to get that, have that experience, but is someone that really believes in and is passionate about coaching and development. what role does Jerome McGinla hold? We're going to learn a little bit more about Craig Conroy

and who he ultimately selects as the next coach of this team. So, you know, everyone has connections. Everyone has people that they trust. But all of those people, whether it's Jerome McGinla or Alex Tangay and the experience he had in Colorado or whoever it might be that he brings in, they're not just, that's kind of one difference between some of the Oilers guys. Like, yeah, Kevin Lowe went and won a cup in New York. But I looked at those guys as died in the wool, Edmonton Oilers.

These guys that you're talking about with, you know, being attached to Craig Conroy have sort of been all over the place, even though they have roots in Calgary. Yeah, and not necessarily to compare the two. But, Rhett, you know these guys as well as anybody. I can't imagine anybody would look at maybe they can with Conroy, but again, they're not paying attention. But if Jerome comes in with essentially having nothing in the way of managerial experience, if you think he's coming in so that he and Craig can go and eat in five-star restaurants again

and go boozing on the road, then you're not, you don't know any of those, either of those guys at all. Eginle is driven on Ed off the ice and you're one of the first guys to make up. I'll tell you why they're both going to be good and why it's going to work better than it did in Edmonton. It's because they've never won. chip on their shoulder they they want to win that's does anyone questions rome gindler's wants and desires to be to win no yeah conroy what the edmond and guys had already won and it's not a knock against them and i think it's silly to always have to compare to the oilers but the fact that conroy and again la and a lot of the guys around there haven't won that'll be a big difference

because they're going to be i hate using the word desperate because it's or but they're going to want to get their hands on the Stanley Cup. Everyone says that, but my point is just to differentiate between Lowe and McTavish. It's not, we've done it, so you have to do it this way kind of approach. It's going to be Conroy is going to surround himself with good people. Who knows where Ig even falls in? He might be coaching.

I have no clue, but he's going to surround himself with good people. and what he's going to do and what's a strong point for a lot of guys have played hockey, he's going to listen to those guys. He's going to take a team first mentality, not a, I'm the boss mentality, right?

He's going to listen to the advice of Dave Nonas and Maloney and Chris Snow and Pascal and Ginnla and all those guys. And sure, he'll be the guy making the decisions, but he's smart enough to know that the help out there, is there to help him and take it into consideration. Frank, just a thought on the process of this GM hire.

We heard Don Maloney say younger, progressive thinker, and then we saw a list that was public and who knows what was private and who they talked to. All we heard was what guys like yourself reported. It didn't look like a list of younger and progressive thinkers. It looked like, you know, the GM list of 2012. What did you make of the names that you heard after hearing Maloney's, say progressive thinker younger? It made me think that they already knew before the process started who they were hiring.

And whether you speak to 25, 40, or four people, when you already had the best candidate in house and you want to make sure that you're not just sort of handing it over to check and make sure it's almost like the way I view this process having played out was this is, you know, we have what we think is the top candidate here, but let's just talk to all these people and make sure that no one else blows us away along the way and that no one stubs their, you know,

no one in the Craig Conroy camp stubs their toe, which he's not going to, that it was sort of a box checking exercise that went on for a couple weeks longer than it should have. So do you think they actually did talk to younger progressive people or they built a list that they knew Craig could beat? No, I think they did talk to plenty of people, how seriously they engaged with them.

I mean, probably not very, considering that of the six people that ultimately were brought in for in-person interviews, including, you know, a Stan Bowman or a Mark Bergervan or Dave Nones, like they're not in that category that you're talking about. So how seriously did they take them? Apparently not very.

What do you mean by non-progressive or more progressive candidates? Well, I just heard, Like when Maloney said that, when he said younger and progressive, I'm thinking, okay, like, they're going to go chat with a guy like Tulski. Maybe they did or maybe he didn't want to and they asked him. I don't know. But like I'm kind of like, if you were going to go through this process, I thought, you know, make it thorough, make it real. It almost feels like this was window dressing process and they should have just named Craig the guy in the first place because what the candidates they talked about wanting to hire. We didn't see any of those names publicly. Maybe Pridham was the only one.

Can I, can I ask a funny question? Like I still don't know the answer to. do why is don maloney the president of hockey operations of this team can anyone aside from being handed a contract like what did you really need someone to come in and steer this product like is that is that his only job well i think there may be two things i don't know that mr bean wants to be the one talking to the to the media and that sort of thing and i don't know that he would feel if if they were going to have the process of interviewing people i don't all that who's going to do that interviewing. He was the only guy in house. So let's back it up for a second because like I, Mary Edwards, you know, he's for the man as the man I refer to as the man in Switzerland, he seems to have a real good finger on the pulse of everything that's happening around

the Calgary Flames. Does anyone really think that this was Don Maloney's decision? from the get-go anyway? Well, it was weird because it felt like Tre Living was said, you know, or at least it was the window, sort of the tea leaves would suggest he wanted Sutter gone and it didn't happen.

And then Maloney comes in, you know, like, well, if Triliving wasn't going to get it, how's this guy going to get him done? But he did. So I kind of, I don't know, Frank. But to be fair, we talked about it. Like, who in the heck is going to do a GM search? Like the guy with the accounting background

that runs the team, like there was no one left to, like Craig Conner was the guy to do it. Like, this is what happens in every organization when they pick up the pieces after they fire their GM. Fenway Sports Group Vice President Dave Beeston is running the Pittsburgh Penguin Search. I mean, that's the Flyers hired an outside firm to run their search. Like, it's not really that complicated. And someone of Mary Edwards and John Bean's background, like, you don't need hockey knowledge to be able to pull this off. You need the ability to read people, to understand resumes, to get.

a good grasp of what drives them, what their personalities like, how they'd be to work with? Like, those are the things you're looking for. It's like, we're not working at SpaceX here. It's been a little. And Don Maloney definitely ain't working at SpaceX. Yeah, it's been a little, it's been a little clunky. The pressure was awful.

The GM leaving and then the coach leaving and the, it's, you hope, right? You hope that, that, and it's, I mean, I don't know, I don't know Maloney. I don't know them from a hole in the ground. It's just like, it's a nice, really nice man. It's, I'm sure. And it was Trilene's running mate. So if you weren't happy with Tree, I mean, those two were doing everything together. It was a two-man team.

That was that was another rinkery like, huh. And I guess there's no real way for us to speak to that. But because Conroy, any time I think you hire from within, fans that were wanting a real change in philosophy and a change of course, you feel like it's just going to be more of the same because they're just keeping the same. Why, if fans really want things to be different, why would they believe that that can be the case with Conroy, even though he's been here for 13 years as a manager? Why? What are you asking?

I guess because those, because Tre Living and Conroy work together. But just because you are, like, let's say, I don't know, I'm watching Sons of Anarchy right now. I don't know if you guys watch that. It's brand new show. Yeah. This is actually the second time. through that I'm watching it because I loved it so much the first time. But just because there's someone that has a seat at the table and holds the gavel as president

and that was Brad Tree Living as GM doesn't mean that the VP sitting to his left doesn't have different views and thoughts on how to run the club. It's probably not a great question. Anytime you change GM, I know there's fan bases be like, okay, now we're going to turn things around. The way it's been, the failures, the shortcomings, this new guy, a new person is going to come in and it's going to be changed. And this is not that.

They are staying within, although I agree with you. I think the Conroy and Brad, while they saw, you know, they weren't at odds, but they didn't see things exactly the same. I think that there will be a difference with Craig at the helm. Here's the best way for me to answer what I think you're getting at. And that is, I believe that in the NHL, teams, take on the tenor and drumbeat of their owner. Look at all the continual screw-ups in Vancouver.

Do you mean to tell me that that's Jim Benning and every other regime since Mike Gillis, it's all their fault, the same pitfalls that they keep falling into? I mean, sure, have there been missteps along the way? Absolutely. But the tone and tenor of what you're going to see from the Calgary Flames in terms of how they approach the next part of this the next evolution of their franchise to me it comes down to the mission and mandate that's put in place by your ownership group and if the mission and i believe it is and you've heard ret talk about a lack of a plan what is the five year plan and i think he's bang on

if the plan is always to be competitive and not rebuild then that's what you're going to get from craig conroy at least to start no see that's where i that's the I have said all that and I think I'm right in what I said. This is why a guy like a Gindlin and Conroy are the right guys for the job because they will have the backbone and the balls to stand, not stand up to a, and Mr. Edwards will believe them in saying, whatever the hell their plan is.

I don't know. Why do you call him Mr. Edwards? He's got lots of money. He's married. His name's Mary. Just like Gary Betman is Gary. He's Mr.

When someone signed my paycheck, they're Mr. Okay. So anyway, I think Eginla and Conroy are the right guys because I think Mr. Edwards will listen to them. And I think they'll have the backbone and the balls to say, no, we can't, we don't have to do it that way, Mr. Edwards. We can be competitive and not spend to the cap and take a different tact and get there. And even if we miss the playoffs, we'll still be better off. Anyway, the point being, I think that's why Aginle and Conroy coming in together are in, integral in all of this because they can deliver that message.

But that's why I phrased what I said the way that I did. I said to start. This team is going to try and be as competitive as possible because that is the current mission and mandate. To say that they can't veer from that and to say that Mary Edwards has too thick of a skull to get it, that's not what I'm saying at all. Because I think at the end of the day, first off, he's a brilliant businessman. And second, he's reasonable.

enough to go into a conversation with an open mind that I think you're right. The power in having people like Craig Conroy and Jerome McGinla in the fold is that they have the ability to convince him based on their track record, their resume, their history that they can go in a different direction if they want. All I said was to start. That's going to be the plan because that's what the owner wants. I'm not even saying he's wrong, by the way. as currently constituted with this roster and these contracts, the plan should be to try and get back into the playoffs next year and see what happens. Yeah, and my whole thought on this whole process here is that if you had a expansion team

and you combed everyone that's worked in hockey, I don't know that you'd arrive as Craig Conroy is your best candidate. Why not? Well, so let me walk you through it. Like he's never ran the cap. You know, he doesn't, didn't do a lot of the ARB stuff. He's not a super scout. He hasn't run, did one year,

of GM of an American League team. Like there's, he's not a master of any of these GM trades so much as he's got good experience with them all. But when you look at the nuance of working in this market for this owner, I then arrive at the spot where it's like, well, yeah, I think this probably is your best candidate because so much of this job is going to be managing up and understanding that this organization doesn't necessarily move like other ones do. And he gets the culture here, whether it's, you know, imperfect or not.

Well, it is imperfect. And yes, he does. why I believed from the beginning he was the best candidate, but I think you're also selling him short in some of his capabilities because I think the biggest role of a general manager in today's NHL is not the cap. It's not, you know, mingling and being a front-facing person to present your organization. I think the biggest job for a GM is to be a chief talent evaluator. And that's what I think Craig Conroy has been for this team for the last eight years,

whatever it might be. You can get anyone to run your minor league team, no offense to anyone that holds that position. You can get an absolute genius to run your salary cap, who knows the CBA ins and outs. But you stake your reputation and your livelihood on your ability to evaluate talent and make the correct draft picks and the correct trades. That involves trust, communication, your scouting staff, everything. But at the end of the day, he's the guy, Craig Conroy, that was at the under 18 worlds

a couple weeks back. He's the guy that has been the person basically chirping in Brad Tree Living's ear, here's who I think we should trade for. Here's what I think we should do. Not saying Brad Tree Living doesn't do that on his own or didn't. Of course he did. but he was taking his chief counsel, I believe, from Craig Conroy. So that's, that is the job to me.

Like all those other things, like you can get someone that's way smarter than any of us to come in and run cartwheels around your cap. Yeah. Brandon Pridham can do that. So, you know, someone with two or three years of experience in a front office can, can be the GM of your minor league team. You've got to be the chief of talent evaluator. And I think he's got that.

And I think to expand on the talent side, there's talent and then there's fits in a room. And I think that's another strong point for Crick. I think he's a sensational collaborator. I think this is going to be a really, really well communicating organization. And I think over the last 25 years, 30 years, it hasn't been it for a lot of time. Well, you know why? Because people trust him. Yeah.

He's got positive energy, one. And two, he's made a living. he made his career based on being not just a hard worker, which he is, but someone that people really enjoyed being around and part of being a manager is collaborating between all those different facets of your organization, getting on the same page as your cap guy, your minor league guy, your scouting staff, your development staff, like, that's going to be a really easy thing for him to do because it comes natural to him.

And guess what? You want to talk about some of the younger guys in this league that are, incredibly smart, can run circles around you. Like, I'm intimidated having conversations with some of them. Take an Eric Tolski, for instance. He basically is the GM of the Carolina Hurricanes, with all due respect to Don Waddell. But people don't view him as a sort of front-facing, public-facing guy because he doesn't have the presence and he doesn't have the same communication skills that we're talking about.

So you can be really good at a lot of things, but if you don't have some of the integral critical things, it all falls apart in terms of a candidacy. There's a lot of things that you are judged at and upon when you're the GM. There's your drafting and there's trades and contract term and all of that sort of thing. But ultimately it's on ice success. And one of his first jobs is going to be to hire a head coach. And that's not a small.

with what we heard at the exit meetings with this team and everything that's going on inside that room, that's not a small hire. You would talk about they have a very good coach, it seems, in the American Hockey League. There will be, I would guess, any number of out-of-work coaches that would be on his list. How would you handicap it for Craig after he gets done with these press conferences and stuff it gets to work? Who do you like? Who's on a short list for him, do you think?

Yeah, I don't know how long the list is. certainly don't want to put any words in his mouth, so I'm curious to see what unfolds. But what stands out to me as sort of just being an observer is, one, you have to, you know, be comfortable and cognizant of the idea that the Calgary Flames probably aren't going to be spending big. You know, they're not going to go out and pay Joel Quenville five million bucks a year, not to say that he wants to come to Calgary anyway, after they're paying Darrell Sutter four for each of the next two to not coach and, and do what he does in Vikingville. King Alberta. So that's part of it. And then two, like, I, if you've listened to me, you know that I've

been advocating for let's get some of that, you know, fresh new blood in there, a younger approach that hasn't been around the block and hasn't had extensive experience doing this. And the reason for that is, like, as I've said many times, how do you find the next John Cooper or the next Jared Bednar, you have to promote and you have to build these guys up. Everyone has to start somewhere. Everyone's a rookie at some point before you can become a Hall of Famer. And so that's part of it. And that's why Mitch Love really kind of stands out to me as the clear cut, you know, sort of number one choice. Like how many guys out there are already working in your organization, in your city, in your arena that are the two-time HL coach of the year? Like that doesn't happen all that often.

I'll jump in. I think it makes a difference on what Conroy's trying to accomplish this year. And if he's doing what you're saying, and I think they might have to as well, as kind of sticking with that lineup you have, maybe bringing up a few other kids. And I think Burnett has to be very strongly considered in other guys. If you're going to do, and again, depends on what his plan is. But if you're going to try and get a bit of a youth movement on,

then a guy like Mitch Love, is a huge piece of that puzzle. I think you have to bring them on if that's your approach over the next three, four years. But if you're sticking with a veteran lineup and you're going to sign Lindholmes and backland and keep these older guys in the mix, and I think it's a win now situation. And I think you run a big risk with bringing in a guy like Mitch Love with an untriven NHL track record. How big of a risk is it?

I guess that's what I'm asking. And then if you watch Mitch Love leave and go somewhere else, to be the coach somewhere else, which why would, why would you stay? Like, is there a greater risk in that versus like, and I'm like, I think Andrew Brunette got absolutely screwed in Florida last year. President's trophy winning team and they decide to go in another direction. And he spends the year in New Jersey, they exceed expectations. Now I think he's up for like five jobs.

Here's he's getting, he's getting one somewhere. Yeah. But here's part of the, to finish my. thoughts on Mitch Love was and we brought it up last week is you've got if Mitch Love comes in you've got three guys that coached in Stockton kale all kail Ryan Huska I don't and I'm not I'm not saying it can't work I just to me that feels a little awkward and clunky I don't know what's your opinion on that am I wrong in that I don't I know I think that might be a little clunky I would also think that you're painting a picture of inevitabilities that might not be there.

So if you're, I'm not putting, again, words in anyone's mouth, but if you're Ryan Huska and you've had this experience and you think like you can be an NHL head coach someday and they bypass you to go to Mitch Love, do you want to stay? Does that then get filled with someone out? Like there's a game of musical chairs that's about to go on here. And who's to say that you can't surround Mitch Love with, just pull a name out of thin air, someone that has, Alex Tangay or Dallas Aiken or picks someone that has some head coaching experience or some more experience to put on your bench as someone that can help. I'm not saying that, but you're right.

We are, we're playing a what if game. So that's part of the what if. I don't know. So what would you do? I would do. I would for me the top two guys would be brunette and love i think those are the only two not the only but i think to me those are the clear cut to yeah for and the brunette one is a stab in the dark because of his relationship with huberto which i think you're tied to and if you can't get the

best out of huberto then i think it then that becomes a tough contract for you we're all in agreement on that it is i mean i think everyone knows it is yeah but but i i don't think you need Andrew bruner though just to get more out of Jonathan Huberto I think yeah but he's also a highly regarded coach so it's not just for Huberto I'm saying that's a feather in his cap is that he's anyone's not named darrell Sutter is going to get more out of Jonathan Huberto next year that's the just like the guys in boston you I don't care Jim Montgomery congratulations on a great historic regular season but anyone not named Bruce Cassidy would have gotten more out of the brewers this year what else is going on everything good frank just eating up his morning here

Yeah, this is afternoon now. Just this. Penguins, what's going on there? Kyle Dubus, a lot to unpack with his statement today, playing the world's tiniest violin again. As he referenced his family decision. Trilliving, a frontrunner in Toronto? We put out a new top 50 free agent list today.

Like, we got a lot of stuff happening. Just one sentence there, like Triliving to Toronto. How do you handicap it? Even money, odds on favor? Wow. Musical chairs. Yeah. Well, if it really is about experience, which Brendan Shanahan seemed to indicate,

of all the guys that are available that have experience, some of them have taken themselves out of the run. Ron Hextall, are you kidding? Cross the boss. Like, I mean, go through it. Like, the pool isn't that deep. For experience, guys, I'm with you, yeah. Unless you're getting a retread, like an old retread.

And I don't know that anyone is keen on that. It doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah. Thanks, Frank. Appreciate you. Thanks, Frank. Enjoy the rest of your day and week. Lots there. There's a lot there. Again, depending on when you listen to this, we understand it's a podcast.

Well, at noon today is the press conference of the flames. We haven't laid that out. So Calvary time at noon is when you will hear probably a lot of the new structure, exact titles. It's been released. The Flames have released the press release. So Craig Conroy comes in as the general manager, as we know. Dave Nonas, Senior Vice President of Hockey Operations and Assistant General Manager. So not an insignificant title.

That's what Frank alluded to twice. For a guy, you know, guy that feels like he's been out, you know, been out of it. But the one thing and the other stuff, I'll lay out, he has been in Canadian markets. Yeah, Vancouver, Toronto. And has had to handle the pressure. And it's not the same here as it is in either, I think, Vancouver or Toronto, obviously. but there's maybe a little bit of insulation there for Craig. And I think the Canadian market thing is one thing.

The other is just the nuts and bolts of this job, right? Like, oh, we're going into an ARB hearing. I've done 40 of these rather than like Craig's like, oh, well, Brad did all those. So that's a big help for Craig. And I think to Rett's point, it's going to be using the people around him, that great collaborator he is.

Known as his experience in the GM chair is important for the organization. This from the Flames Press release, in addition, the extension, and announced appointments of Brad Pascal, vice president of hockey operations, and assistant general manager, and Chris Snow to vice president data analytics and assistant general managers.

So that is... So some two AGMs get VP titles. And skimming, I see nothing. Aginla oriented here, so... Okay, and that is the press release that would correspond with the noon press. conference the question i have with flames dot com

the rumours and blah i gotta expect he's going to be here at some point is i said it earlier to frank what does he want to do he might not coach jim yeah he might he very well might want to be on the bench and and to be quite honest with you that is he an assistant coach

yeah how do you get in do you want to do you want to right you know what you be an assistant coach first yeah yeah is he content to be the assistant coach and if he's your assistant coach and and it's tough spot for that and the nice thing is the thing for iggy is it won't be about the money it'll just be about his what do you want to do passion for what he wants to do right it's yeah do you want to coach do you want to be away i guess if all the kids are out of the house he might be more open to well and frank said twice in there um because we talked to him twice like uh his son Joe, he's coaching his team. This year is Joe's last year before he can go to the WHL.

So I would not be surprised at all if there's already a laid out spot for him in a year to Rett's point, where is it in the org, who knows? But Connie's going to want him in the org. And I don't know that Jerome can commit to being a full-time employee of the Flames who's going to coach this year. That's a pretty high-end hockey. And he continues to gain skills as a coach, right? So he's either an advisor in name or you see him arrive in a year. feels like the plan. Yeah. I don't think this year, I'm sure he will be relied upon to a certain extent,

but he's made a statement that he's going to coach his kid, and that's what it is. The next thing for a guy like Iggy is he doesn't have to worry about rushing in. He's going to be here eventually. You can pick his spots, yeah. It would be, and there was kind of two things there, and both of them are similar. And you brought it up with Frank.

If Mitch Love becomes the head, coach what's so then you've got kale mclean and certainly ryan huska who is kirk muller still like you forget those two guys have just done there the mitch love succession plan yes that's that that that feels awkward for sure red right it's i think so i don't know them all personally they i'm pretty sure kale did kale and and ryan not work together like kale they have yeah and obviously on the n hl staff but prior to that done it together yeah and they're all good people but I just I don't know what it's like to be a coach and you know and like Richie Preston I don't think ever wanted to be a head coach he was content being an

assistant coach that was kind of his thing so maybe there's different guys that are I'm happy this great I'm an assistant coach but there's going to be other guys I know my friend Jay McKee the coaches in Hamilton he wants to be a head coach yeah he's he's not going to he doesn't want to go somewhere and take on an assistant coach job at least that's what he said to me, maybe it changes the point being what do the guys want individually and how does it fit

in organizationally? Because if Iggy comes in, they're not saying no to him. Yeah. And how many guys can you have around? I actually wonder about that in the front office. There's a lot of cooks in the kitchen. Maloney, Murray, Nones, Conroy, promotion for Pascal,

promotion for Chris Snow. Yeah, there's a lot of guys all of a sudden in that front office. And with Connie being the guy, that might be perfect because he is such a good collaborator. Just quickly to the coaching thing, the one thing that was not on the resume of Kel McLean nor Ryan Huska, who I know both very well and are incredible humans, was the postseason success and coach of the year. It's just a trophy, but like no one's done with this farm team what Mitch Love has done since probably 04 when that was the St. John's team or St. John was really good.

Like, it's been a long time since you've had deep runs, like top two or three team in the league. Yeah. And I'm not suggesting that love isn't the most deserving of the three. But I'm, it would be that thing, especially if you're Huska or either one, but Huska's been there for a long time. And if, unlike Rico, if you have designs on being a head coach one day. Yeah. And this happens. You have to feel like.

Well, the other part of it is, who does Mitchell Love want there, right? If you've got a head coach and you're going to hand him the reins. And again, I have no clue. But work this out. Pretend you're Mitch Love. Okay, I want to go. What's Conroy doing? As a new GM.

He's bringing in people he trusts and knows. Yeah. No, and I think to your point, like there's a key assistant hire, I think, comes if it's Mitch Love. I think you need that for a lot of different reasons. Rhett talked about, oh, first time head coach, very veteran room. We heard some issues in the room amongst veterans. That's not an easy spot. how do you who's the insulation guy and you know darrell was a notorious need a good insulating assistant

coach for a successful environment i don't know that they had that this year i think kirk was supposed to be that guy but i don't know that he was is kirk muller back are both of these former head coaches of the american league team back and look if you're going with brunette you probably want a different side staff as you would love and also to your point like if you're hiring guys you got to allow them to bring someone that they want onto the staff at least one piece that's kind of been a thing here hasn't it, Rhett? I just think over the years, Hartley had his joclucche or whatever, Steve was. Yeah, like you go back, I guess Daryl, because Jim Playfair was, I don't want to make that sound like, like Jim Playfair,

you were saddled with Jim playfair. No, but that was his guy. Jim's a great guy. But then beyond that, there has been, you know, Cluchet and then so-and-so stays, and there's always been some kind of, they've never wiped the slate clean and been like, bring in who you can have success with. There's another guy that's been around the organization a long time and has history as an assistant coach. Marty? And he's beloved by the community. Marty Jellon. He might want back in. And he's bounced around up, down, left, right, in out, player development, eye in the sky, on the bench, eye in the sky, player development. Like it's, we want him on the bench. I don't want him on the bench. Get him upstairs. Get him out of the press box. Get him on. The other thing we have to

remember is like just because someone's a great assistant doesn't mean they're going to be a great head. I'm not and I'm not saying that to label any of the guys in the org now, but I just look backwards and look about Glenn Gulletson. That's a great assistant. That is not a guy that is cut out to be a head coach at this point of his career. There's lots of guys. I feel like Jeff Ward. He was a career assistant. They brought him as an associate coach. Great. Perfect. When he was the head guy, it was like, it just doesn't have that. You need to have a pretty big personality to run a room of 20 year old millionaires. It can't be anyone and it's more than X's and O's. There has to be a presence. And those two guys to me that they hired as head coaches are career assistants at this point

of their careers. Like Jeff's much older. Oh, and it's, yeah, certainly in hindsight retro. He brought up Jared Bednar's name. He was in the org here. And I've got to admit, when he was hired as the head coach, felt like an assistant to me. It didn't go well. It didn't go well. Patrick Wall left them high and dry late in the off season. He had just won, I believe a championship with Lake Erie or they had a good run in the American League. Charlotte or something. At that time it was Lake Erie because I was working in the A around the time. I remember interviewing him when he was coaching there.

But he was an assistant in Abbotsford back in the day for one year. Either way, he was putting a tough spot arriving so late. Year one's a disaster. And then I think they orchestrate that Dushain trade and everything swings around. And he's a genius a couple years later. But I really was impressed with him in that 2019 series against Calgary when they were the eight seeds. And you could see the pressure of that series. But he was in trouble.

He was wearing it. Whereas Bednar was cool as cucumber. But you're one, you're right. He almost didn't survive your one. I guess the only point, I want you to talk about this, right? It just sometimes you have to go through it

and it's maybe unfair to the guy because you don't know what team you've got, but until you've tried it and failed, I guess, if that's the way you want to put it. Can you know if a person, that's an assistant? No, he's got what it takes to be a head coach. Listen, here's the problem for Mitch Love

if he steps into that. And that's who we're talking about, right? And you do have to try guys. But you have to try guys. Much like a coach putting a player on the ice, you put them in a position to succeed. The roster the way it is is not set up for Mitch Love to succeed. They ran Darrell Sutter out of town.

Rightfully so or not, that room got rid of Darryl Sutter. That is a strong-willed, long-term, high-end NHL coach, won the Jack Adams before has won Stanley Cups, blah, blah, blah, blah, has seen and done it all.

Mitch Love coming in, it might work out great, but it has the potential. If they see weakness or they don't like what he's doing, how are they going to respond to him? They ran Terrell Sutter out of town. And this is,

that's what I was trying to point out to Frank in that what direction is Conroy taking this team. It's not an easy spot. What is the room really like? We don't know. From afar, it's easy for us to say.

Those, you know, they're right. Daryl out of time. Maybe he was such a tyrant he had to go, blah, blah. I think there's two sides to that coin. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, for sure. Anyway. To be fair, go ahead, Red, just finish.

Well, I'm just, you're going to repeat what I said. I don't know that the lineup, the way it was last year, is a, is a great spot for a guy like Mitch love to have success. And welcome to your first job in the NHL. Teams are hiring that have issues. And so it's not easy. It's going to be tough. This is where you need your job.

But this one's different, right? Some of the issues are teams that are on a rebuild. You go to Chicago, Luke Richardson had, they were horseshit. Yeah. Well, first time head coach now he's got a long name in the game and this and that. But if the team is set up, yes, the teams that are hiring are teams that have issues. But they're not always set up with a veteran-laden squad. Correct.

They are teams that truly, where the room just to your point, and I agree, to the point, this team just got their coach fired. Yeah, 100% they did. And look, like the flip side is like, oh, you're rebuilding, there's no pressure. Well, Jeff Blaschell did that for five years, and he's fired now.

Like, all these first jobs are fraught with risk because if it doesn't look good, you might not ever get a chance again. And if you look at the list of guys that coached here, there's a lot of one-and-duns. Like, did we ever see Don Hay back in the, this league. Did we ever see Greg Gilbert back in this league? Did we ever see Jim Playfair as ahead again? Kenan never came back. Brent Sutter never came back. Hartley's never going to come back.

Goletson and Peters and Ward at maybe their last stops. Like it's a tough gig. There's not a lot of, hey, I'm a new head coach. Look at everything great. There's an uphill climb for all these guys. And the room is the biggest challenge for him. It happens a lot because you said it. Gulletson, Dallas Akins has been in and out as a head coach. They just dusted him in Anaheim, right? Like all, there's lots of guys that come up and they're supposed to be the next guy. It's hard. It don't work.

Yeah. And that's the only sort of caveat with all this is, again, this organization's going to go to first time GM and first time head coach potentially. I do like the people they've hired. But in their past, it has been like, man, they just don't have a really higher experience guys very often. But at the same time, if they hired some retreads, you'd be like, where's the fresh blood? Well, and so the middle ground is a guy like Burnett, right? Yeah. Yes.

And that's why Brunette intrigues me. And Brunette might, clearly Brunette is intriguing a lot of people. Yeah. And I think the point Frank made is there's a lot of teams interested. I don't think the flames are winning a bidding more for Burnett, nor would they be at the top of his list for a lot of the things we've already talked about, those reasons. One other thing I want to talk about. First, I want to mention hearing you saw the banner. There it is. Hearingloss.com.

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Before we move on, we got the Pinda Report. We got, what the hell time? I guess it doesn't matter. whatever. The Jerome thing, and I don't, obviously, we don't know what's happening, but if Jerome comes in, like you said, is it going to be an assistant coach? Similar, but different. If you're a head coach, on one hand, look who I've got. Respect the players, right?

But at the same time, who the hell are you? Yeah. To not to the fans, to the team, to everybody. You know who's taking your job. God, like how can you talk about putting a head coach in a tough spot? That's a weird one if that's how Jerome wants it to go. Can't he almost only be the head coach if he's going to be on the bench? It does feel that way.

And again, that's the awkward spot. If you're hiring a coach and Iggy comes next year and says he wants to coach, are you not? I don't know. And I'm not saying that Iggy would even make that demand, but it's his presence that makes it. an issue, right? Like, what if?

There's one other layer to that too. And who knows? Does he want to coach? Maybe he doesn't want a coach. Like, we've seen guys that were assistants take the head job. I can think of twice here. Jeff Ward under tough circumstances. And then prior to that,

was Jim Playfair. I don't know that's a good setup for anyone, even Jerome. And look, maybe he doesn't want to coach, and this is all a moot point. But it just, if he came as an assistant, I just see that as a very uncomfortable spot for a lot of people, including Jerome in a way. The only thing I'll say is that I think Jerome is smart enough. So there's two things. He's confident enough.

And he's coached kids. It's not going to be foreign standing behind a bench. So I'm sure he doesn't doubt that he could walk in and be a head coach for an NHL squad. But on the other hand, I think he's smart enough to say, I've not done this. I'm going to learn for a couple years. And then I'll be the head coach. if he's wanting to coach yeah management if he wants to come in and be in management he's here for the next 30 years as long as he wants or until he might do so it's a different thing and does he want to

put his you know here's here again here's a scenario okay so conroy is gming and again was coaching and it's not going well are you wiping up both what do you do you do doing there yeah right like it's this is the thing i think conroy will struggle with the most if it ever comes to a point where he's got to fire someone can you imagine that conversation like that poor bugger it's too nice i don't want to do this they tell me i got a fire so so so craig how did the firing go i i couldn't do it i gave him an extension i told no this to do it okay three more years see how it goes um but i'll tell you what you talk about this team right now if If you've got one more run with this group and then all those UFAs at the,

if you need a fuck around and find out kind of a head coach for this team, you could do worse than Jerome. It's one year. Oh, really? How do we want to settle it? Do we want to settle it? Well, and if you want a personality in the room that could, if there's issues in that room, who's telling Iggy to F off?

Exactly. It's Rodbrennamar, man. Like, there's no way you don't command that room. Let's go to center ice. How do you want to sell me to F off off off off? Do you want to scrap? In the video room, on the whiteboard? or outside of ice?

Where do you want to go? Go behind the rink. Honestly, like you look at Rod. Who can stand up? The guy still looks like you can bench press a Buick. Yeah, but Iggy said he's not coming this year. Again, I think I don't trust. I don't know how to say this correctly.

My hope for what Craig wants to accomplish is a three to five year plan that does not mean suck for three to five years that means start to grow build get the bet Bennett and monahan and good joe and chuck they all laughed that was the build yeah do another one of those you've got some kids there make them good they're not all going to be first liners but make them if they aren't turning into first liner make them the god the best third line you in the NHL. Use the youth, use the speed.

My concern with that approach, the only thing that gets in a way of that is the contracts you've got now. And I don't know how you bypass those things. There might be a silver lining for Craig as well. This owner has been so focused on make the playoffs, make the playoffs, make the playoffs.

You might be able to sell a retool more easily to them, understanding that a new building will be open in three to four years. Maybe that changes the owner's perspective on timing because the crucial thing for him will be show big revenues year one in that new facility. I think more than that, and I think you were getting at it with Frank, Rhett. And I'll just lump again. If there's anyone who could sit down with Murray Edwards, who is stuck in his ways and say, we need to change, it's not going to, it could be a general manager with 10 Stanley Cup rings. I think Conroy and Eginla would have his ear

and have him motivated to change as much as anybody on the planet. It's the managing up part of this job. That's so key. That's this organization. It's a huge component of this job. Which is kind of like, you know, Kevin Lowe with the owner up, with Kates up and, you know, but there's no similarities there. But no, I do.

I think that that's. The Red Wine Club. We'll just bring Paul Coffey in for a couple months and then he'll go away again. No, I think it's. That's not this. Obviously, we all want it to work because Conroy is one of the nicest friggin guys. And on top of that, he's paid his due. 14 years.

It's not like they've plucked a nice guy and are going to give him the job. I remember how many times you try and text him. I'm in Siberia. Latvia. I was in Serbia. I was at the World Juniors. I missed Christmas with the kids because I was in Riga or some frigging thing. The guy's worked his ass off.

And you just want to, you hope it's for everybody, for the team, for the fans, for the players, and for him. You hope it all works. Let's go. It's a PR win at a minimum. I think it's, you know, if you know, if you're not. You can get Jerome into the fold and Craig. It's like there was a lot of storm clouds over this organization. They're not all gone, but there's rays of sunshine as well now.

If you want to talk about changing the mood and an environment, is there anyone more positive than Craig? Like that's night and day if he's walking around the building, what we've had at other junctures here. We'll get to the Pind Report. Very sporty today. Sorry. How was your long weekend there?

How was your Saturday flight? No long weekend here, Dean. I'm in America. I was work yesterday. I had two flights this weekend. Just like when I flew back the other day, I had two seats. This time I had two flights,

so it was good. Didn't check out a Jay's game, did you? What happened this time? Well, the one airline sets up when you book, they have their days difference, you know? I'm always a Sunday to Saturday. No. No.

What do you mean they have their days different? You know, you look at the calendar. Some of the calendar start Monday at the beginning, some start Sunday. Rette book the wrong fucking day. Yes. Yes. Yes.

This is the Fort St. John, St. John, Fort McMarry all over. He cries a lot. He travels more than any of us. The far right dates. That's the Sunday is the far right. The dates have numbers too. And like right before you press book, doesn't it kind of give you that? So here is your right.

It's this calendar. The calendar is laid out Sunday, May, blah, blah, blah. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. not Monday, Tuesday, it doesn't start at Monday? And then the bloody 24 hour clock, you never know what, are you flying in the morning or the afternoon? 4 in the afternoon?

What is this? Listen, one of my boys, they drew a, he was on the icy end of the day, and they stood a, they drew a circle. And then you had to stand in the middle, and then you had to sprint to 2 o'clock, and back to the middle. And then he had to sprint to 9 o'clock and back to the middle.

Swatter them and feed them, make sure they get lots of exercise. Boys are so dumb. Oh, baby. We all got boys. It's a digital era, I guess. Eight boys? Eight boys.

Yeah, I can help them with two o'clock, right? Jesus. Oh, man. Proud moment there. I bet it was. Fuck me. The whole team goes in one direction. Whose kid is that?

Oh, never mind. Oh, two o'clock. Coach is yelling louder like he didn't hear. It's like a big. Digital world. Oh, I didn't hear. A freaking megaphone. That ain't a helping it.

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Start with where we've been all day. Calgary Flames are, well, they've now done it. They've announced Craig Conroy as the new general manager of the Calgary Flames along with Dave Nones is into the fold as the senior VP of Hockey Ops and Assistant GM that was, well, what was widely rumored all weekend around Flamesland and Flames Twitter. This is interesting from Frank at the end. Belief is Jerome McGinlow will also be in the fold,

whether that's an advisor or a consultant, his name not in today's press release. So we'll wait and see. Now, they also didn't talk about anything on the coaching staff either. Not necessarily those two things are related, but it does raise an eyebrow. Is it in a year? Is it a role that hasn't been carved out yet? We know he's going to coach his son Joe this season before he goes to the Western League. So still a little intrigue left.

So I guess he doesn't want it that bad then. Well, if they just drafted Joe, he'd be here already. Wret said that was going to be a nice touch if Joe was going to be here. It could live at home with mom and dad. If only he had got drafted somewhere, you know. Yeah, weird. We can tell you the Wrangler season has come to an end. They fell in overtime in game five in Palm Springs.

The Coachella Valley Firebirds move on to the Western Conference final. They hosted Game 5. It was insane. 1-0 Firebirds, 2-1 Firebirds, 3-2 firebirds, 4-3 firebirds, 4. Ranglers only lead of the game 5-4. They gave it away immediately, lose 6-5 in overtime. An insane game. A game after Wolf hangs at 27 save shot.

shutout. Six in overtime, the series winning goal. So a tough season comes, a great season comes to an end with a tough finish on the road in that best of five where they were the upper seat but chose to start the series at home. Mitch Love is certainly all eyes on him now is apparently not just a candidate in Calgary. Also Walker Dewar, Jacob Belche, Dustin Wolfe, have they graduated revisit in October, we'll tell you. That's, uh, the latest on that front. Math, Coronado had a goal today at the World Championships. It was disallowed.

We'd show you the video, but then they'd get pissy and strip it down off YouTube. It's true. Figure it out, double I-HF, you losers. That's good point by you, Pinker. Thank you. Appreciate that. Let's go to the NHL. Don't promote your own game.

Why would we want people talking about it and seeing the stuff that, you know, would you draw intrigue and interest around the tournament? Why do we do that? This was the Florida Panthers a few months ago. Do you remember when Brooks Capco was there? He lives in Florida. and Aaron Ekplad got torched on like a goal against and he didn't found a traffic cone.

This is how things were going in Florida a couple months ago. They were out of a playoff spot. They needed Pittsburgh to lose games, 81 and 82 against Dormat teams, two of the worst three in the league, to get in. Pittsburgh obliged.

Florida gets in. Let's check in on the Florida Panthers now because they did squeak in and they had the top seat of Bruins. Let's see what Sasha Barkov's. been up to. This is not from last night. This is the game two in Carolina. You want to see a dirty dangle here? That is a fake tweener and just absolutely undresses, I believe, Uncle Antirantec because it was game two. They'd win that game in overtime. Sounds like the old story, but it was the same story. Matthew

could chuck in overtime, point to the exit. Let's get out of here. Yesterday they win game three. They're a win away from a sweep to get to the. the Stanley Cup final. And again, Sergei Bavrovsky has not stopped being awesome since we started talking about him at the beginning of that Leafs series. Talked to Jovo last night. He said the rink

is wild. And so here's the reset. Where we started was Capka making fun of the Panthers? Here he is yesterday with, you know, the Wanamaker trophy as he just won the PJ championship. There he is. Got the Pantaros and take a look.

It's a Lamborghini jersey rent. 94. Are you kidding me? That's a jersey you'd be proud of wearing. That little buzz saw. Some heart and soul. Yes, a mucker for Brooks. Oh, we wouldn't want them. A little life upgrade from traffic cone to PGA championship trophy for Kepka in the suite. They're hot as hell. It's a hot ticket in Miami. So are the heat.

They're up 3-0 in the East Final as well. He's a front runner. Not a real fan. Almost nothing against the heat, because you know me, I'm a big. Hoops guy. Huge. Chips guy. It would be much nicer for the Panthers not to have to compete with the NBA finals. The good news is ones in Miami and the others closer to Fort Lauderdale.

There's lots of ground to cover with those too. But you're right. It's a magical run, but it's going to be every night for two weeks for these guys, maybe long. If you don't have the heat in the finals, then you've got about 8 million people cheering for you instead of two. 100%. Okay. We'll move on.

Tonight's contest. Vegas. They've got a couple overtime wins as well. they hit the road. They're heading to Dallas for game three. This is a six o'clock mountain start. There's the peak. Aiskin in. Is that Chandler-Stevenson? 20 or is that somebody else?

That's Chandler-Stevenson. You had a big goal. It's a hell of a playoff that guy. O-T winner. What they got it for? Like a fifth rounder? It was not a lot. Couple picks. Not a Washington.

Warsh. That's where the old GM worked. We seem to work well. So that's the action tonight. We'll move along. The Oakland Athletics guys are fucking off. Like, incredible. Hard not to pack it in when everyone, you're moving, you owners, everything. They've all quit on you.

So, like, what's your motivation as a player? The A's are 10 and 39. So for every loss they, or for every win they get, they have four losses. Best part of their season is the fact they've put in those 15 second clocks and it's speaking everything up. Yeah, there's not a lot. We can lose just quicker. We can get to Vegas sooner, it would feel like. more time away from this losing stadium with possums and the press box.

Good seats available. Yes, indeed. Sections available, Rhett. The Boston Bruins historic season. Yeah. You can now this summer watch a historic season. What a time to be alive. What a time.

What a time indeed. Let's move Cavalry FC, Rhett. They scored and had a lead for the sixth game this year. Could they get a win? That's them. Two, no. The foot sole. soldiers losing their S.

Big dove for the fellows. Two-nil. And this is a lovely play. Ali Moosey heads this over. And Meyer Bevan hammers at home. Bink. Dink. Lovely.

Undefeated through six, you got to love it. It one win and five draws. Which actually hasn't been a decent spot in the table. More on them heading into this weekend where they're at it again. We'll get two later in the week. elsewhere other calgary sports teams in action the calgary rough next season comes to a close ah game three against stupid mcbride in the mammoth and that's uh captain jesse king

waving to the fans season over that's a tough way to go out they lose nine seven in game three of the best of three on home turf the bandits the chiropractor was all jacked up pumped to have beer with him on Saturday night. He was ecstatic. We're going to watch the game. We're going to get a go to Calgary next weekend. What a clean. Lovely.

Love, great city. You walk, Stephen. I'll be getting. Oh, big fan. Looms. I was going to Denver, which is still pretty nice. It's pretty similar to Calgary, at least, I'm told. Mushrooms.

Free mushrooms in Denver. Really? Boy, all that. When are we going to Denver? Soon. Nice. Calgary Stampeters opened their preseason last night and the Stamped social media team got a big W,

as did the team. I like this tweet very much as they, well, reminded us that, yes, beating Edmonton on holiday Mondays never does get old. That, of course, a reference to the Labor Day classic, which is awesome. They would win by a score that doesn't matter, but 2924 on a rainy meh kind of day in Calgary. Don't talk about the crowds. Season opener June 9

and on Thursday's show Retro, Jay McNeil the new vice president of business operations for the stamps can join us, tell us what's up with stamps this season. Former player. That's a new gig. This is like Connie's coming in,

Jay McNeil here. It's all these athletes. You watch your ass, Mike Bored. That's right. Look out. Finally, last couple for you. Bruce Boudreau just felt like the common man. didn't he? Like a guy you could just relate to.

Did you see this right? You're smiling. You've seen this, haven't you? That's so good. I know we could do better. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, Kevin, Sam. You guys did okay out there. But, I mean, you get knocked out of the ring. You don't stay out for five minutes. You, but I'm hurt.

No, you weren't. And you can do it. I mean, next week when you're in Saudi, man, you can't afford to do that. And Sammy, like, I mean, we need you a little more active in the ring, you know? Like, I thought you were trying. to get the tag, but you weren't really, you know, stretching that hard. Jod some of this down. Active?

Well, you know what? You've got to move a little bit more. You got to want it, right? If you don't want it, you got to really want it. You got to really want it, Rhett. So Gabby is giving up pointers, WWE. What a fucking legend in a golf shirt with that huge boiler.

Yeah. And then here's the action. Check out the shot right behind the announcer's table. Who's in row one? This is so good. Like, is there another coach in the NHL? We could even squint and pretend would do this. The best part that he's in there doing it.

Bruce, there he is. Kudos to the wrestling, WW, whatever. Get him out there. Because it was partway through his run in Vancouver. Somebody asked him about wrestling. Like that Kevin Owens guy. So they knew they had this going in.

Is that going to get us flag? Oh, WBE? I don't think so. For sure. Really? No, they're promoters. They got flagged for McCarty going through a table. That was the different...

Impact wrestling. Well, whatever. Hold it off social. That will be something to watch, though, Jacko, and that's... I should have thought of that. I assume the W.W.E. wants us talking about the W. I think they like their content. It's on their Twitter account, so that's where we got it.

That's where I got the Macarty. And finally, Rhett, you're a hypocrite. Yeah, you are. Don't put this bumper sticker on your car if you're going to behave the way you behave. Okay, it says quit texting and driving and then look through the window. There's fucking Rhett texting while he drives. Got your phone out. Asshole.

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I'm dying. My hammies. Where are you sprinting to? Got to get in shape, Dean. Yeah. for life. Biggie's going to coach. I got to get in there sometimes.

This is the one missing piece. If it Gindler's here, this guy's weasel his way into something. Why would it be weaseling? You're saying he's not richly deserving of a spot? He's not coaching anyone right now. I see. Anyone fault this team more than I have the last 10, 12 years? I mean.

No. And hugely critical. I would like you to go back over the last decade or so. of my thoughts and ideas. And if they had used them, he was right on the trade geo, the 14th or 15th time you suggested it, the one where they were going to lose them

in the expansion draft, right? That was for sure a trade geo moment. Days off, stay over, get better sleep, have more fun, don't be losers, effort, lose less. Step one, hire ret, step two, profit. I said Sutter will be coach. Aginla Conroy will be running the organization.

It's like I got a magic brawl in my head. Just tell us what your role is. Let's go. Assistant coach. They're going to start paying now. I'll take anything. Take anything. Mascot.

My shoulders. Rett for coach. Put it on Twitter. Get it trending. Can you coach from Buffalo? Would you do the same thing there if you took on a new job With somebody with the NBA, like, hey, let's start this new thing. I'm moving to Buffalo.

Video coaching. Maybe I'd be the video coach. Do it from Buffalo, yeah. Loves video. Be remote for that, for sure. A couple things. I got a little best of the weekend that we'll run for you here in a moment. St. Eugene Golf Resort and Casino.

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Is that right? 21 to 22. too, the night of the 20th. Didn't you used to summer down by there? You'd drag a trailer down there. One year, yeah. One year. Yeah.

Went and watched the trail smoke eaters play the Cranbrook Blah Blah Blas. Oh, I love the Blah Blah Blas. The Bucs. The Bucs stop here. Is it? It is, actually. Yeah, went to the game. Got COVID.

It was great. Oh. I thought COVID wasn't a thing. Isn't that what you kept telling me? It's not a thing. It's not a thing. What do you mean? It's over, isn't it?

We won. To when do we pop the champagne? This is amazing news. Anytime. Fuck, let's get it. Let's go. We'll do the best of the weekend. Brought you by Green Drop.

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it was a long weekend. A little extra in there as we take a look at the best of from the past weekend. I don't know way to put one in. And then, you know, I mean, defensively, giving up nothing, you know, really. In three games, you would have said to me, you got one of the highest, you know, the potent

offenses you're playing and you giving them 20 shots at night. I mean, you'd be pretty happy with. This way things are going with for us this series. It's kind of, you know, we've got to find a way to just break through and give ourselves a chance maybe to get back in this. But, you know, it's tough, like you said, because we have, you know, played really well. I can't wait to get to the finals because I know they got some good golf courses out there in Denver. Hey, Payton Manning, I'm calling you.

And that ball flies out there. And Sean and Sean. The Lakers out, don't like that. Hell, yeah. Guaranteed then. Guarantee. Okay. I'm going to the mile high.

Okay. Payton and Sean, get the golf course. It's ready. Chuck coming. So Thompson's not even on the rubber. So how can you even start the clock at that point? And they have given a strike to Jesse Winker, but the pitcher is not even in a position to deliver a pitch.

Working out the pink state. And Waker swings in Fausen and he's automatically in an O2 count. She's. And strike three call fastball in the outer part of the plate. And Waker, what's that? You're done. Because we've all seen guys go through the legs now, right?

It's become kind of an art. A lot of guys try it, a lot of guys do it. But to see him in a Stanley Cup playoff game, under the gun, pressure, situation, down 1-0 to make that move. That's one of the greatest moves I've seen us down a couple of playoffs. Barkoff, what to come up on this? Got it now.

What a play? Beautiful goal. Alexander Bartko. The opportunity to get it out, but it's Mahorah under pressure just slides that one through. Barkoff made it look like. How about this deception? Makes it look like he's going to go between the legs, stops, and that just throws Ranta for a split second. Look at the end.

Rantz is down. The Matrix. No! Oh my gosh. That's incredible. Mixing a high kick. Oh, where? Set her cut right down the middle.

Paul. Come on. No. If you're a Celtic fan, especially. Imagine this analysis on a hockey night in Canada. 28102 the final as Miami takes a 3-0 lead and as physical as it got tonight was oh, Shaq, you looked like you were very punched in the head. It was about to be some furniture moving up here.

I already got a shot to Godfather at my back. Jack and Chuck. You're right, Edwin. The Celtics. Come on, man. That was it. I'm embarrassed at the Celtic fan right now. Yeah, that was bad.

That's bad, man. Beat down. Beat down at the beach. You're a Celtic fan. When did you become that? I say, if you are self-agrin, if you are-saint, I don't even think you mind losing, but that was humiliating. We welcome you to Inside the NBA presented by Kia,

though it feels a lot more like a forensic files episode. After watching that, that was, I got a question. You got a question before we do the highlights? Just one question. Wait, we're going to show the highlights of that thing? Since the Celtics quit, can we quit? Look at Souter on this play. I could him in front of the net.

Oh. It's no bonus controller. Vegas wins in overtime. 17 playing alongside Jordan Speed, Lee Hodges, his par putt. And... Oh my... That's above the hole. That should fall back in. Got 10, I better fall quick here.

It's moving a little, isn't it? Jordan's telling him to wait. I think it is moving. This is well out. It's not quite the drama of Tiger Woods at 16. There it goes. There goes. Come on.

Seconds ago. This is decent. The fairy tale story. chug he doesn't even know markov wins the draw there's montour man advantage for the panthers and bennett come together

bedet with the puck finish what a pass nine hurts matthew can chuck a minute 51 seconds hit you overtime a quick exit

down the runway what were you saying to the guys on the ice right after that goal. Bosson 10. There you have. It's the Florida Panthers. They're up 3-0.

Just boom. I mean, you had Brindamore off the top there. What's he going to say? It played well. We've kept this other team relatively in check. We've played well. Can't beat the goalie. You've got to stop shooting it at the net. Stop shooting it at the net.

Shoot it wide. Look for tips. Is that it? Banking and do anything now? I'm not even joking. I'm not, who's beating Babowski? Yeah. There's one way of beating them.

Then it's going to be a deflection. I thought you were going to say run them. Pass it through the crease, shoot it wide, look for tips. It's the only way. Yeah. Feel good Florida story. Go bantthers. Rett's picks looking good.

Did he have Vegas and Florida? I'm going to get the tattoo if they went. Are you? So I'm part of the team kind of. I still got that trophy, that big cat. Yeah, you got the cat in the living. You're getting a tattoo if they win. Yeah.

Can we put that on the record? It's like I won. I'll probably get my name on the right. Probably, yeah. That's, no. You have to hold him to this. If he's tying it to getting his name on the cup,

it's not going to happen. If he's waiting for his name on the cup, he's not going to get this tattoo. We need to separate these two things. So you're saying if he get, so what are you saying? If you get your name on the cup, you're getting a tattoo or if they win?

Do it. You're getting a tattoo. Part of the team. I mean, you got a jail host, Tad. Get a real one. Change it to the... Just have the cat and the dog.

Cat and dog. They're fighting. Let's see it. Let's see the dog. Give us a shot. We'll peek. Let's take my shirt on. Take your shirt off.

Come on. It's crop tarps off. You guys, hey, if we're all doing it, I'm in. No. Shirts off for Kipersoff, Red. You know what I saw in the weekend? People are still getting married, like getting engaged. Yeah, it's a thing.

It was a big, yeah. I was at a wedding like three weeks ago, remember? Yeah, yeah. People were still doing this. There was sporting events. There was all kinds of, these people are getting these engagement things, still doing this. The Yankee Stadium, that guy got pulled over by the security, just absolutely steamover? Yeah, there was one in, I think it was in Philadelphia or somewhere.

They did it in the, like the pub and the outfield. I mean, it's romantic for sure. Spring is engagement season. Justin said it. Justin from Vina Nova. And if you're gonna, then by all means. Vena Nova, Calgary's lab-grown diamond specialist. There you see it.

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If you're just listening, then never mind what we're saying. Just ignore what he said. If you want to do something, you know, you're really, so you're going to get married. And then maybe you want to go to the next level of getting something, you want to design it. You kind of hell, here's how I want it to look and this sort of thing. If that's your thing, they can do that. Custom, baby. Give them, yeah, some custom pieces.

It's going to take a little extra time. But they can do whatever it is. And beyond that, just go and see if it, you're just, thinking about it. We told you about Mother's Day or if you got an anniversary or whatever, this is the way to go. Viena Nova.com, downtown showroom, second avenue, Stephen Avenue place.

Labgrown diamonds, the only way to do business. It's Vena Nova. Oh! That's right. Happy wives. Happy people. Happy people. Nothing's more happy than fiancé. That's peak excitement. How happy is Connie today?

I hope there's great satisfaction and joy. And I think we saw a statement from Bradshaw Living through a member of the media. I think it might have been in Salem at TSN. He said he's proud of Craig and excited for him and his family, a lot of patience and hard work over the last decade plus. Put in the time. Put in the work. Yeah.

And to Rett's point, like it's the coronation doesn't last long. Now you've got a crucial coach hire and a huge offseason with seven pending UFAs next year. Yeah, at least there's not much to deal with. Yeah, and if you start the season with one or two wins in your first 10, 12 games. Yeah. Fuck this guy. I don't, yeah. Great, great guy.

The media just, the media got this guy hired. This is his first coach. This guy doesn't know his first coach. He's still got another couple coaches left. That's true. They've known us, eh? I know is the job. I don't know that I love necessarily his view of what wins.

It seems a little more old-fashioned. But you need people to help Craig do the job. And I think it's Craig's vision that Dave will help with. It'll also be the other thing. The hell knows what Dave known us his vision is anymore. I'm sure his opinion could have changed on things. Fair. Yeah.

In his last two stops, I wouldn't have said, like, wow, this is like an incredibly savvy GM. But he's also had time to react and watch the league change too. Didn't he take Vancouver? Who was GM when they went to the phone? That was Mike Gillis. Oh, damn. Yeah, and in Toronto. I forget which draft I was at.

And he and Berkey, might have been Montreal. He and Berkey were running the Leafs. And we were there early, obviously. It was the day one of the draft, and we were doing the show. And there was no one on the floor. Like none of the teams were there yet. The first two people to show up from any NHL team, Burkey and Nonas with Toronto.

And true to form. they're similar in stature, right? Like they're similar. And they've got the ties on but undone. Both of them? Both of them. They're carrying their suit coats. And they have got bags of Harvey's burgers and fries.

And they just started hammering. They just looked like a tag team. Oh, man. It was like, quake and tsunami or whatever. Look at these guys. Just look. That doesn't get any better. They're in their happy.

place crushing some burgs getting ready for the drafts go yeah but for nonus yeah i think there's it's probably just little things that you don't even just relationships with general managers what's the protocol how do you just little things how do we approach this arb case what's the lTIR implications of schillington last year can we find a way to get another year before you like it's all just i remember j feaster was talking about when he first came in from things that happen at general managers meetings here's here's where you sit here's what happens here's what you don't just little things that when you're going in for the first time that you don't even think of i i wonder if it's as much like you say

it's about the execution as much as it is his hockey opinion which is not to say he's an assistant general manager he's going to have some say yeah but there's just probably a lot of navigating that he can help well and to our point earlier like as you're if you're the aGM you don't have last say on hockey, you know, philosophy. The GM does. If he can help execute Connie's plan and all the other people, including Dave, have a say in the room, I think you've got a theoretically really collaborative environment with people from lots of different backgrounds.

Chris Snow and analytics. You've got, you know, Bob Murray, more of the old school. Connie's always been a really big proponent of talent, seen what it takes to, you know, the deep runs. What does it mean for us, though? Hopefully you can get them in studio. Let's go, Connie. It's not. I mean, of course, yeah.

But, I mean, you've had him in studio before. No, it'll be worse to have him in studio now. Don't say anything? We'll test that. Put that to the test. Typical GM. Don't ask. We're going to do 100%.

We're always sheepish after he got off the air with us. There's not much we can say about that. I'm going to leave, you know, we keep that under wraps. But suffice to say, there's been a good dialogue. And we remain hopeful that. Going to talk about negotiations. in the season and his representation and us will get together and we'll let you know when something's done.

Boo. We'll see. Don't ruin Connie. I never thought about that. I was happy for him. Are we going to lose that now? Is Conroy broken? Well, I kind of see both sides of that.

He's super engaging and fun to chat with. But also, it's like, don't be coming out at the draft and saying we think we've got two of the best 10 guys when it's Jankeowski and Seeloff. That's only going to hurt you. Less is more sometimes as the GM. You know what it does, though? And it's not, I mean, it's, I've made, maybe there's hope for Matthew Phillips yet.

I'd really kind of, the coaching hires piece of that too. I'd really kind of thought that that, that ship had sailed. Dude, Mitch Love. Conroy, ding dong on the old Philly front door. Hey, hey, guys, could I come. I brought some, guys like Tim Bits, come in and sit down and have a little chit-chat and maybe. Hey, who's that with Craig? Oh, it's Mitch La Mitch. How are you? Come on in.

Hey, man. Oh, ho, ho, hey. He'd be good at mending fences, hey? Great guy. Oh, shucks, Daryl. Don't worry about Daryl. He won't knock any fences down. That would be the nice one.

But we have to keep doing this show, is that, so there's nothing. We're not moving in house. I'm going to hire a coach. What do you mean? You got to keep doing the show. We don't know how the coach is yet. No, I mean for us. Like, is there a job?

Like, I want to stop doing this stupid thing and get it, like, dust off your resume. Fuck. You saw a quick Rett's cover letter took. That was that, like, nine seconds, Jack? I don't know what I'm qualified for. Something. Gotta be something, right, Rhett? Some sort of popcorn quality control.

There's always some BS thing you can do. Chief Salsa Dumber and Chiefs. You know what you'd be great at, Dean? You would be great at sweet sales or the sweet manager. Sweets. Now, do you mean S-U-I-T or S-W-E-E-T? I can see I'm peddling where there's. Yeah.

I recommend the, uh, the, the, uh, the, Swedish fish. I'm in charge of Tuesday night game. At the dome. Oh, really? Yeah. Now, these smaller sour soothers,

I think, are much better than the big ones. I believe that the blue cotton candy is far superior to the pink cotton candy. There will be no more pink cotton candy in the dome if I have my way. That's our head of sweets.

Dean Moulter. Right. Let's do Betway and get the fuck out of here. All right. Betway bets of the day. Betway, bet the responsible way, get that. app on your phone, play along,

one in HL game tonight. There's only two series remaining and one's almost done. It's 3-0. This one could go 3-0 tonight. Round 3. Don't disappoint us. Don't leave us hanging. You know what? We bitched them all in about no close games in round two blowouts. Uh-uh. We've got four out of five gone to overtime. The other is a one-goal

game. So you can't have it both ways. And if we do have two short series, we're quicker to the Stanley Cup final. Let's go. That's what I'm saying. I say four and four. Get this semi-final BS over with. Let's get to the main event. Let's hand out this trophy.

Then it'll be, well, we've got some UFCs and some things in Vegas. We can't get the building availability. So we're going to have to sit and wait for nine days to start this. Wow, that's the other thing that sucks. If a team does, one of the teams gets through in four, Florida. And this other one goes six. They're going to be sitting around for two weeks. And then they'll be horseshit.

They're going to be like the Oilers in Laguna. It killed them. That's right. It's up, Leon. And for Florida, that's just sitting at home. It's not like they're even gallivanting being soft. They'd be better off leaving. Yeah.

Go to Buffalo. You can do some sprints with them. Go to Winnipeg. Get them on your regimen there. Fat cats. Vegas at Dallas game three. Robo. Mr. Robertson had been ice cold.

He'd had some helpers, but wasn't scoring. I believe it's goals in back-to-back games for Mr. Robertson. I'm going to go anytime. Goal plus 1.40. And you mentioned Chandler Stevenson earlier in this program. Money. He is a hell of a hockey player. When he came into Vegas, I think it was, oh, whatever.

It's a kind of depth move. And then about a year ago. Did a cup? Yes, they won a cup against Vegas. That's right. Vegas is an inaugural year. I was like, Jesus, Chandler Stevens pretty good. Do you know who's leading Vegas and scoring?

Chandler Stevenson. He has been a tremendous golden night. He's been good for them. He had the overtime winner. Give me an assist. Sure. Chandler. Chandler. Plus 140 there as well.

Those are my Betway bets. Don't like the name Chandler, but I do like the hockey player Stevens. What do you do? It's classy. It's that stupid friend show again. Too highbrow for you. Here are my bets of the day. I'm going a little more big game hunting.

Jonathan Marshall's. has been absolute money. Ask an Euler fan, hey-oh, plus 320 for two points. That number seems too big. I'm going to have to pounce all over that. Pounce. And Wyatt Johnston, the former OHL scoring leader, single point plus money?

Yeah. But what way bets? Wyatt. Wyatt. There's a good name. Hey, Wyatt. What was that show with Jason Bateman? Where they're at the lake?

Oh, uh, the, Ozarks. Ozark. Wyatt. Wyatt. What was her name? I forget. She's an actress.

Good show, though. Great show. Twist and turns, Rhett. You never see him coming. Do you watch Ozark, Rhett? I can't watch a show. No? My wife laughed at me the other day.

I'm sitting on the couch, okay, I'm going to watch a show. And? I started about seven of them and. It's a follow through. It's a good idea to watch a show. He just can't ask you. So what happened?

Do you fall asleep or you get to see it? No, I didn't even fall asleep. I was like, this is boring next. Try something different. Well, this is the shit's next. Ted Lassau, you watching that? I did turn on Ted, and even Ted didn't get my interest early. Maybe I was just in a bad mood.

Love Ted. It's possible. Ted takes time. At first glance, it seems a little cheesy, but the more you get in, the more heart and soul there is, and the writing's phenomenal. Yeah, I like it. Amsterdam episode, holy shit. Okay, we've got to go, because I'm dying.

See you, buddy. What are you dying from? My hamstrings are killing. Barkami's? What are you, like, what are you sprinting? I was running a 10 miles per hour. That's a sprint for me, man. Why?

You're on the tread? Yeah. Why? Why are you on the treadmill? Conditioning, brother. You can condition without sprints, no? At summertime, if I'm strutting around the lake in my thong bikini, I got to look sharp. I want to be sagging.

Where are you getting this Panthers tattoo? Drooping and sagging? Yeah. Under one of my rules so nobody can see it. You're going to go butt cheek? What are you thinking? One of the people on this text said, shave your head and get it on top of your head, then it'll just grow over top.

It'll take a while. It'll be awkward for a bit, but, yeah, I don't mind that. It's a cold out. All right, buddies. Hard core. A bit of a clunky one today. Tough start. Great finish.

That's what this has been. I'm done with that saying, too. I think I'm putting an end to this. What, tough start? No, the thing I usually spend with. Man, that's your thing. Well, when hockey season starts next year, we can do it again. Until then, we're good.

It's over. Go cats. But you ran it all the way through. They were winning playoff games and you continue to try it out there. Now they're out and. It's that vacation in Laguna. Go cats. See you, buddies.