Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - The Day Before The Deadline With Darren Dreger | FN Barn Burner - March 7th, 2024

Episode Date: March 7, 2024

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Rolling. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the show, the podcast that was voted. One of many podcasts. I'm told it is a moderately successful podcast. Talk about sports sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah.

Last night. Whof. Did some sports. Yeah. Yeah. I assume that not everybody watched last night. Which is why I want to bring it up. Yeah.

If you want to relive the three hours of hearing no hand of it was traded, waiting for the return, and then sifting through the return and trying to make sense of the return, that full, you know, quarter of a day, you can relive live on YouTube. That is there available to be rewatched. I feel like that was our, that was our trade deadline day show last night.

I hope so, yeah. Just replay it again coming up tomorrow. I don't they know the return. The hell of they waiting. It's just right here. That's what we were doing here today, making people wait. We just wanted to do what the flames and everybody was doing last night. So everyone's doing it.

It took a little while. The flames could still make some trades, but as we sit here today on a Thursday, a day before the trade deadline day, the big moves. Everybody's trade board, TSN sports, that everybody can pretty much delete all of the flames, minus Jacob Markstrom. and I don't know how realistic that is anyway. But Noah Hannafin off to Vegas. We found out, I guess, late afternoon, 5 p.m. or so.

And then we waited until about nine or so to find out what the return was going to be. In a storage locker. We're in the same hoodie for a fourth day in a row. Brett, what the hell's going on in your life? He loves origin. Jesus. It's my hoodie. Yeah.

I love it too, but, you know, there's laundry. No, he doesn't wear it outside of the show. It's like Letterman or whatever. You show up, you put on your... He's got a wardrobe. You got your wigs and your makeup and you wear that when you're on camera. Your TV wig. And then you get out of that.

Then he's wearing his jumper, his jumpsuit outside. It's Bunny Huck. That was a conversation, though, then. He sure was. Beyond that, it is... It is a Calgary Flames game day. Get your helmets on. It's the Flames in Tampa to play the lightning. They open a three-game Eastern Road Trip.

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So Noah Hanifan. Deal is done last night, the Vegas Golden Knights. Jack, I put a little thing in there. The Hagen Knights. The hockey world not, I don't think it's so much that they're sour with the flames.

I think they're sour with the Golden Knights, just trying to figure out how this keeps happening, that all the big names, Vegas is in and all of them. So that's kind of how, it feels like the hockey world feels. Vegas Golden Knights land one of the biggest

free agent. The best D available. Let's leave it at that. Seemingly the best D man on the market. I don't know that there's going to be a better one moved. And the return. Now, convoluted at first and maybe still a bit convoluted, but the flames in return for Noah Hanofa.

Now there's no extension in place, so it is the remaining, regular season and potentially playoff games of Noah Hanofin this year. They could extend them. We don't know if they will or not. First round pick, which is conditional. A third round pick, which is conditional. And Danyl Miramanov, a defenseman who is, if you call him a prospect, it seems weird. He's six months younger than Noah Hanofan. So that kind of feel like it takes you out of prospect territory. Yeah. And when we talked about packages, we talked about players and prospects, I feel like he's

neither, but he's kind of both. It's kind of a player and he's kind of a prospect, but what it probably means is you're a project. He's going to play. He's going to get some ice in Calgary. He's going to play and then it's for them to figure out what he is, for him to figure out what he is. Now the conditions, the first round pick,

it will be in 2025 unless Vegas uses it before the deadline tomorrow. Or it's a top 10 pick in 2025. It's also will move that. That's right. It's top 10 protected, which, seems unlikely. It seems, if anything, the greater, the greater danger or whatever you want to call. Circumstance would be that they use it tomorrow or prior to in a trade. Now, if they don't make a trade, and it does go for it. It's a 2025 first round pick. They get a third round pick back,

which could be a second round pick. If Vegas goes past the first round of the playoffs this year, it moves to a second in 2025. They don't have a second this year. So it'll be next. year's second if it upgrades. So potentially a first rounder in 2026. Potentially a second round in 2025. And I guess again, it's, I know that if you're just kind of, let's go on to, let's go on to the podcast and let the boys make it clear it up for

us. It may still be not very clear. There's still a lot of conditions. If you thought the Monaghan deal was convoluted, you were right. This isn't far off. So if they, if they make a trade, say they're in on Gensel or whoever, they make another trade, they use the 2025 first. The flames will get the 2026.

there's no trade protection on that. It could be a lot of pick. Please, please, by all means. So maybe you're rooting for that. I'm not sure. But retro, Ryan and I, you were on for a little bit. Ryan and I were doing the thing last night. What's the, what's your gut instinct?

Or I guess, what's the first reaction upon hearing that it's a first down the road, potentially really down the road? A third that might be a second. And a guy who is. Might be a plus. Yeah. It's pretty, man. I mean, it's the first had to be there, right?

And that is weird, because how far down the road is it? We don't know. And the third becoming a second, it feels like it should have been a second no matter what. I think you'll get the second. But again, I feel like it should have just been a second. And I have no idea who this 26-year-old player is. Do you feel like by 26, you should have a pretty good idea? He's an outlier.

Normally by 26, you do know what the hell of guy is. Vegas liked him enough to have him on the NHL roster and didn't want to lose them. But they didn't like him enough to put him on the ice more than 29 times the last three years. It really is a very, very unique set of circumstances. He was a forward. He got moved to defense. That's odd. You see that, but not often.

Brent Burns comes to mind. He's got great offensive instincts, tore up, yay. but hasn't been tearing up the A because he's been sitting in the press box watching Vegas play. And also coming off, what, ACL MCL, which is a significant injury that takes a lot of time to get over and to get back up to speed. And to be fair, the Vegas Golden Knights are in the one another Stanley Cup business, not the get the guy with the major knee injury, lots of ice to get back to game speed business. I don't know what he is. We'll find out though. Yeah, if Vegas isn't as deep as they are at defense, it's another team.

you know more about him. Sure. He'd be playing here above Gilbert and Austerly and B. Simone and Solov and Kuznetsov and all. Yeah, but that's. Yeah. I mean, but that doesn't mean. I know exactly what Rett's going to say.

It's all that I'm saying. That's well and good, but you kind of wanted something. You wanted more, a more known quantity. It doesn't mean a great player, but there's just, there's a lot of risk here. Yeah, I'm, I'm left. You ask me, like, what I think of that. I'm left wanting more. I'm not surprised.

The deal isn't as good as we'd hoped, but I'm still left wanting more. Like, you could say you got the pieces you wanted a prospect. That's not a, no one was mentioning that someone has got to go get this guy out of Vegas. No. And it's the same thing with the guy in Dallas,

who they also like, but also wasn't a consensus top three, four, five prospect for Dallas. I'm sure there's some opinions like that, but that certainly wasn't consensus. Now, maybe Connie's got two, uh, gems he thinks he can polish that, you know, everyone else has been sleeping on.

But the, the, the consensus on both of these last two trades of the defensemen is, seems light. It would have been nice to extract a real top in prospect that of either of these deals. And they didn't. Just a call. And I don't know that if it's a fair comparable. And I'll let you guys tell me if I'm off. But the Claude Juru trade in 2022. He goes from Philadelphia to Florida.

A first round pick, a third round pick, and a prospect. The prospect was Owen Tippett, who was a recent first round pick. Yeah, and had kind of like fallen off and lost a lot of that buzz, but since regained it in Philly. He was a distressed asset when he moved. People thought the return was light for Philly. It's turned out to be a bonanza because Tippett went from, I don't know if he's going to be good to like, whoa, he actually is good.

He's living up to that draft type of show. But he was a guy who was a full-time NHLer, who was a first round pick. Yeah. there was there was certainly more pedigree than either of the guys that the flames got in the Dallas trade or this trade yeah what what tippet has turned into it's been great yeah but i think that was kind of the hope i think i think a pay me that deal right maybe this is how you you find that centerman maybe this is how you get younger you find pieces now let's give these guys time but immediately just first blush and that's all we can do is is react to it um it seems like they're

easier trades to make for the other side. Yes. They're clear wins for Dallas and Vegas, and it doesn't mean that it's a big L for Conroy in the flames so much as they just have to have a lot of things to go right for them to look good for the flames down the road. Like if the Grushnikov kid turns out to be a number seven or an HL captain, not good enough to win the deal. You better draft well. Yeah.

No, for sure. And we don't know where these picks are. And then that is the thing with like, it's always a bird in the hand versus two in the Bush. It's sort of the financial analogy. You'd rather take the money now if it's a little less because then you can do things with it. That is a thing. You'd rather have 2024 first compared to 26. A 15 year old today is what a 2026 pick is. That's not going to help this team win, even if it's a first round or probably until 2028, 29. If it's later rounds, it's even later. So there's the time value of picks thing. But there's also different draft classes and maybe

you know, the flames believe that 24 is good to okay. And, you know, there's some mega studs coming at 2026 that have been talked about around the Western League a lot. Yeah. We'll see. But it's very, very easy to look at the two deals that Dallas and Vegas made and say, yep, that's a great move for them. It's a lot harder to do that for the two for the flames. And that doesn't mean they didn't do a good job. It might just be a reflection of what the market is.

And when I look at this trade with Vegas, it doesn't look like Conroy had an auction going where he said, here's what I need. Call me when you got it or I'm hanging up. It looks like it was a GM of a contender saying, Connie, you got to do this, you got to do this, you got to do this. Read all the conditions. Who's got the power in this negotiation? It was clearly Vegas, and that tells me there was a bit of a lack of a market for Hanofan because you could have just said, I'm not doing these.

Someone else will give me what I want. They didn't. And it's just spitballing to try and guess what other trades were out there. We heard about Tampa, right? 2026 first. So maybe there's a first rounder, but you know it's in 20206. Long way way. can't be sooner than that, was, was the, you know, the sweetener.

Were you going to be able to get as high as a second round pick? Was it a first, second? And then what kind of a prospect? It's hard to say. But we were told numerous times, like, this is probably not going to be a big home run swing, despite what you think of Hanifan and what he'll do for the team that gets him and the kind of season that he's having. I would say this, that with that return,

I'd rather have signed them if he would have taken it. Which comes back to probably why they were trying, why we kept hearing that they were going back to try and get something good. I mean, look, I understand why they want to sign up the mark's not good, but no, I haven't been wanting to sign here

is the only thing that has to be that or sign them. You can change all the numbers. If you don't want to be here, he's not fucking sign up here. But yeah, no, it's, if you squint, it's close to what you expected, but the more you look at it, the more Connie was not in the driver's seat here.

Otherwise, it's like, no. It's the 2025 period stop. You can still shop your 2026 and 2024 first. I don't need to make these conditions for you. You can trade those guys if you want to add Gensel or somebody else. That's too bad because with this particular circumstance, Hanifan, it's not, you know, Lindholm wasn't playing well. Hanifan's playing his ass off,

has created as much buzz about his stock as possible. And still it was a tough deal. And so I asked Dean last night, and I'll ask you the same, because I think the answer was telling. What will be the lasting legacy of Noah Hanofin for a half decade with the Calvary Flames, Red? Fox. I mean, no. His impact is a player on this franchise.

He was here for a half decade. What did he do? Summarize it for us. Nothing? Well, I mean, it's not another, but this is the whole point. Like, if we can't say the guy's a really, really good player for five years, look at all these things he did, I guess we shouldn't, think there's going to be this monster hall.

Yeah. He's a two, three that doesn't run a power play well and has lots of tools, but isn't the smartest. He's two this year. Having a great year. He's going to play on a second pair for a cup contender. And if Vegas loses in round one,

it's a first rounder and a third rounder. They're probably fine with Miramatov, I'm guessing. They give him a two year extension, by the way, which is important. He was going to be you. They've committed a million and a quarter for the next two years. So, I would expect you're seeing lots of this kid. 6.4, 207 pounds has a heavy shot.

You go anywhere you look and you read about the reports on, as he's got a big shot. There's some highlights if you want to go and find them. But that, it now, that's kind of it. You were waiting what possibly could be coming. Is it going to be a center? How are you going to do this? You can, you can take two firsts and probably get somebody.

You can go and it's not a done deal that you have to use these picks. At the podium, yeah. But it's a couple of Russian defense who were down the depth chart on their respective teams. A lot of tickets, right? And of course, we know what everything that came in the Vancouver deal. So now it's on Conroy. Are you shopping today tomorrow? Are you still trying to sell?

What is it you're trying to do? And then ahead of the draft, what are you trying to do? If they're shopping, it's got to be the free, the milk expires in an hour type deal to just backfill till the summer. You cannot be thinking about expending high-end assets for players here. Like that that would be silly. I think they're still in sell mode. I think you look around and find out who misses out on Jake Gensel and say, how do you like Andrew Maggapani? It's going to be cheaper.

We'll make a great deal for you. I don't know that there's a steep drop from Gensel to. Sure. I mean, Adam Henrique's the third line center. Sam Carrick's what, energy guy on the fourth line? And not everybody's going to want that. A first move there. At 2.8, I think you do.

At 5.8, you sure don't. 5.8, you don't. Because the flames are now eating money on a couple contracts. They have room for one more. Is that the contract? Is there another? Well, if you're not moving marquee until the summer, yes. If you're trying to move Markstrom ahead of the deadline, no.

So if you've made up your mind that the jersey offer is not good enough. They seem to be the only real serious suiters for Markstrom. Yeah. you have one more slot to retain. Yeah. And again, you get the Tannab and Hanofin one back next year. If you're retaining on one deal heading to next season,

that's totally fine. This was very much kind of the vibe, I think, when the Tafoli deal was done. Because we had kind of talked ourselves up in maybe there's a first. The guy had 30 some goals. So again, maybe,

and there was a third and a guy who obviously had more NHL time than either of these guys did. But you were left feeling like, you couldn't have got more for, that and it's worked out okay. Better than okay, right? That's an absolute win for Conroy. In no world does one year of Tyler Tofoli's production be more valuable than what Sharon Govich has given you this year and next plus whatever the third rounder may turn

into. You've won the deal. If you add the value of their impacts, two years minimum of Sharon Govich against one of Tafoli alone is a clear win. They're comparable assets right now. One skates better, is younger, has an extra year term, has played the middle. It's a win. We were all wrong if you thought it was a loss. Then if you move to the Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifan deals, this, this is quantity over quality. I think that's fair to say. I would separate Lindholm from these two. I think that was, that, that is the best prospect they got by a mile in Brestevich.

A year removed from his draft class, career year, OHL leading defenseman in scoring. Like, that's a different type of prospect than a third pair, Rough and Tumble, H.L. Then a 26 year old who's played 29 games and three years. Pristavich stands alone. That's the best prospect they've added. Yeah, I think that's easy to say. And that's why I would say Lindholm's lined up to be a very, very good deal for the flames. These ones look like losses.

And maybe they're not. But if you have to judge them now, they feel like C pluses, whereas the Lindholm feels like an A minus. And there's no way of knowing what the other offers were out there. But it would suggest, I think Conroy's smart guy. there's some smart guys in there. I don't think there were clearly better deals, but they had to have Miro Manov necessarily. It's,

no, I agree. Especially for a guy that, like, look, he could have been a free agent in two months and you could have signed it for free. If he's played 29 games of three years, why is he resigning in Vegas?

He probably isn't if he's got an agent that's thinking about it. I don't know that it's a coup to get this guy. If essentially you could have called him on July 1st and said, you two years on a one-way deal at one-and-a-quarter because... And that's the deal, right? They signed him last night. 1.25 million for each of the next two seasons.

So would he have signed that July 1? Not sure how many teams would be offering him that kind of a deal. So, again, it's not really a coup if you probably could have got him. I had a good chance of getting him. And again, his agent's going to look at depth charts and say, where does this guy have room to play? Calgary's near the top of that list of all the deed they've just moved. Yeah, I don't mind the signing if you're going to

give him a shot, whatever, and it's not that much dough. So we're underwhelmed, but you just said it. That couldn't have been a whole bunch more out there. If you're going through these loopholes and you're making this, like, he's not an idiot. He's not doing it. His problem is to call everyone and see what they offered. This is what he thinks is the best deal for Calgary, no question. He's not doing a friendly deal from McCriman and the Vegas Knights.

My old pal. My buddy from Brandon. No, there's no good, right? like this was it yeah and the important thing about the 1.25 million that's entirely able to be buried so that can't get you in cap trouble if the player's a full bust you can sink the whole thing in the american league of no cap hit on your national roster okay not a huge thing you'd rather he's a good player and you'd have to give him a raise but i'd glad to see him play he'll be fun to walk there's a lot of tools there. There really are. Like talking to some scouts, it's like, you can always dream on tools.

It's tougher to dream on someone without tools. It doesn't mean they're all going to come together and click, but if they do, shit, there's some weapons here. Like, he's well over, like, massive HL numbers is a defenseman. Here's the thing. Like, here's this right here, this picture of you two is just a picture of a social experiment. I know that the boom's got the gout going. But the guy that's half, glass half full typically has a certain look to his face. And the guy that's half empty has a certain look to his face. I think there's a. We do the show every day.

Those faces are the same every day. Well, and you know what? Conroy talked to Brenda Parker on Flames TV last night and I grabbed it. But there was just really not a lot there except to say that Conroy, we like the player. We like them. We think that there's more there. and we need happy to get a first had to have a first and they the option if Vegas can win the first round and it's now a first and a second for an expiring contract plus a player that now is

under contract for two years it's it's not a terrible deal to be quite honest no it's close to what we thought reasonable the expected return was but there's a few ifs if if mirmanov can be a third pair guy that maybe is splashable power play time on next year year, there's your player. If they win round one, you get a second round pick, there's your prospect, but it's two ifs. And they might not win in the first round, and this guy might just be an AHL quad A guy and not an NHL defense. We don't know yet. But if those two ifs come through, that's basically what you said you'd be happy with. First, the player prospect. I want you to go back to Nashville, Ryan. And Dean, you're down there. You guys are kicking

ass, just signing, waving, walking down Broadway, you get, you know, running the town kind of. And just get back into your mental space at that point in time. And picture this was what Conroy traded for at the draft with Hannafin. You'd have flipped the F out. Well, if it was last year's first, I mean,

but I hear what I'm saying. No, no, no. This deal. This deal. You would have flipped the F out because last year at the trade deadline or at the draft, we were all like, why didn't he make a move? I can't believe he didn't trade Hannafin. Like, we are going to get the King's run.

ransom here. We're going to restock the shelves. We're going to, you know, three years from now, we're going to have so much coming out of our system. It's going to be unbelievable. Yeah. No, I don't disagree. The other thing about last year is you love that first round. That might be one of the best first rounds we see. Yeah, you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say anything about getting a draft pick for the last year's choice. I'm saying if this was the deal, a 2025 first round. Oh, I see. And this exact deal, you'd have been like no effing way. Agreed. so I'm fine with it.

It is what it is, and it's turned out the way it has, and I trust that Conroy didn't sewer the team or do a favor for the Knights, but it's just a little bit, damn, I, like. But it is in tune with everything that we've heard in the last few weeks. 100%. It's just, but I don't understand it. Sorry, how does that Tanner, you know, get first, five picks.

Well, they got. air the two, but I'm just saying it, it seems like there's certain years and players, it's like, Paul Gostad got more or is, right? Ben Chirot, like the, right? You're going, wait a minute. What is coming on? Travis Hamanick, you gave up a pile for. Um, what, but, but, because we were talking, now, did, did they really, though? What was the Chirot deal? It was a first and. I just think Sharad is nowhere near the player or Hantha, but I get that he's the type of guy they cover for playoffs. It's a first and a first, second, first third and a, and a body. Yeah. Um, it's, but yeah,

I don't know, I don't know why. If there wasn't a first involved, then it would, then you'd really see the basis hanging off of people's skulls for sure. You said, Brendan Parker and Conroy said, well, I had to get the first. Does that mean there were not a bunch of firsts being floated for this guy. Well, I mean, so a lot of, this is what we talked about was like, okay, Tampa, we got a first, but it's 2026. And you're like, I'm curious too, because it kind of goes to that question you had. What's the legacy? Like, what's your lasting memory? If you're one of those teams out there and you're, you're going to be asked to give up a first and potentially a second or whatever else. What are you needing Hanifin to be? You look in Vegas.

A three with Theodore and Petrangelo. He's a great fit for them, Yeah, left side and Alec Martinez is up at the end of the year. But his other, our other teams looking at, we need this guy to be a power play guy. Well, he's kind of not that. We need this guy to be a top pairing guy. Okay, he can be that, but. I think he was sort of shopped as a three,

and that's why you didn't see the big offers because he isn't a one. He's not going to run your power play on a cup contender. He only did it in his walk year so they could kind of pump up stats a bit. Like, he didn't run the power play here almost ever. This year he did, which was not dumb for the flames to do that. like it's having a nice offensive season. But he's a three. And even here he was.

He had Weger and Anderson was your top pair. And he played with Tannav is more of a second year. And it was a very good top four. But you're selling a second pair defenseman to a contender. And he had a great year, is having a great year. It now appears that if it's going to do anything, it'll do more for his contract that he signs as opposed to the return for the flames. This feels like it could have been a, he's not having a very good season,

kind of a trade potentially. When Hampus Lindholm was always the best comp for me. And he moved the boss in a couple of years. Who's that? Humpus Lindholm. Thank you. From Anaheim. They sort of done that whole huge retool.

Like Vatinin was the first to leave. Then him and Montour and all these other guys. Like it was just like, okay, we're going to get young. We're selling these D-Men. He was an expiring contract. He was definitely not a number one, but you could play big minutes. And if you needed them in a pinch, you could do this. Like, he fell a lot like Han of him.

Very good, but certainly not someone bound for. the Hall of Fame or an All-Star game, right? And they got a first and two seconds, essentially, and they took a little money back. I don't know how far off this is from a first and two seconds. It's not quite as good, but if the Miramano of is an NHL player, that's probably better than your one in three swing in the second round.

It's the only thing, too, they've eaten half the salary. Now it's only till the end of the season, but that's... It helps Vegas a lot, is the point. It's a favor. And the same thing with Tanna. They ate half of that. too. Yeah. And it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of extra in in these deals for eating the half. No. It was like you had to eat the half just to get close to what you thought the return should be without retention.

Yes. Like, it's a frickin Jersey got a fourth for eating 300, 400 grand, didn't they? Yeah, less than 300 grand. Jersey got a fourth rounder. And Philly did the same thing last night. 25% retention on a Hanifan deal is, yeah, one in a quarter. Yeah. So as far as picks and some of it's going to be to be determined, obviously, with this trade, but there's also this, the Florida trade. They're in line to have two firsts this year and next year, sort of, and then maybe two in 26, which would be one at 25. Lots can happen between, but they have a move Markstrom,

which you'd expect to get another one of those. We'll talk about that, but potentially you've got two firsts, two seconds, your own third, two fourths, a fifth and a sixth, going into this year's draft in Vegas. I'm going to, I don't have a clue how, it works and if I'm wrong, I'm willing to be wrong. You're good, buddy. You know how I'm asking a question actually, so I can't be wrong.

Did Hannafin's agent F the Flames? A little bit. I don't know if you sold him for a straight rental anyway, how much it changed, but you might have dampened the hopes of an extension for other teams. But I'm just thinking Kelly McCrimman. Like, is he really thinking, we got no chance to sign on this guy because he said he No, but other teams might have been involved. That's my point, right?

It might have helped your bidding war. Like, I think it hurt. It didn't help. that's for damn sure. Yeah. I guess to just explain the thought process behind that. Well. Or who,

or yeah, go ahead, Ryan. You're better at it. Okay. So we hear a week and a half out of the deadline, two Mondays ago from Frank that, oh,

it's believed Tampa Bay is Noah Haniffin's preferred destination. So yeah, well, he doesn't have a full move, no move. Like he's got an 18 list. So, okay,

like take your Winnipeg and seven other markets, Edmond off, off the list. Like, he doesn't control the process, but, my belief is that his camp, i.e. his agent, his agency was out there saying, here's where we want him to go. And when you're another team and you're like, oh, well,

if I'm Detroit and he's just going to sign in Florida, maybe I'm not putting my best foot forward because I have more concerns about signing him to an extension. And I don't know what permissions were granted between Tampa Bay and Calgary and the agent. But Tampa Bay cannot call up and talk extension with Hannafin's camp without the flames permission. He's their property. So maybe Tampa had asked and said, can we talk to know about what an extension would look like? And Connie can say, yeah, okay, you can do that.

And then if you agree on a term, all set with the prices and trade. And if you don't reach it, you're not getting them. But even that would be deterring Detroit, Boston, any other team that's like, maybe we could get this guy because it just feels more likely that on July 1 is going to Tampa. Yeah, that it's a pure rent. And I don't think necessarily Kelly McCriman would view it that way because they have great success at retaining people in Vegas, but it hurt the market, I think. And I look at it too.

Because I'm guessing it came up in the conversations that do you want to sign him to this, you know, do you want to get the extension done? Why would I do that? I'll just trade for him. Oh, yeah, we don't know. Yeah, no one. There's absolutely a contract extension here. We'll wait until next week and I don't have to pay a premium. You know, then I don't have to pay for it.

But yes, we will give you eight times eight or whatever. the hell it let it up be. Which it may not, but it's, I don't, the other part of it is too, retro. I don't know that I remember seeing anything quite like the, I'll give you the 2025 first if I don't use it in the next two days. So he's, Kelly McCriman has retained the option to have a 2025 first rounder. And, and they have a 2024th.

Yes. They've got a draft pick. They really wanted to keep that 25. They still can. Yeah. So I don't know. If I don't use it by Friday, then you'll get it. And it's also top 10 protected.

Can we play a little make-believe here? Let's pretend you're the prettiest girl in high school. And I'm the star quarterback. Yeah. What's your name? Jillian. Jillian. Yeah.

You're an absolute rocket. You're a total bib. Me, star quarterback. I'd like to take you to the school dance coming up on the weekend. Uh-huh. But just one little thing. Oh, okay. Well, yeah, that sounds good.

to me. If I find someone else that I want to take. Someone hotter? I'm allowed to take them. But if I, I'll give you until Thursday. And at Thursday, I'll let you know if you're still number one on my list. Because if I find someone hotter, I'm going to take them. And if I don't, I'll take you. And we can go together. I'll take you next year. Yeah, sure. You and I will still be going over ice cream this summer. We'll still be going to a prom. Yes. Just just not just like, you know, not be right away. Yeah. That's not bad. That's on the fly workshop there. Yeah. Kind of how that. And when you've, when you've, see that and think about that. Who's dictating in this transaction?

That was the other question I had last night. Was there fear of this trade slipping through Conroy's fingers? It's done on a Wednesday night. The deadline is on Friday. I don't know. Was there value in holding out? Do they feel this strongly about Miramanov to get this deal done? I don't think that's it.

This might have been a case where holding might have. worked like Kelly McCormon's a pretty powerful, pushy. If you told him, we're not doing this condition on the first round. My phone's on until 1 p.m. Friday. Does he come around? We don't know. Yeah. We don't know.

Now, Kelly's going to convince you he's not going to call you back. But when you look at what they're giving up to get Noah Aniffin, that she would have. Because what the, if you want to make a trade for Gensel, you still got your 2024. And if you want to make another deal on top that, you still get your 2026. Like that condition just seems like exerting control and power rather than something that was necessary. They can still do against the deal if that's just their 2025. So could Connie have really put his nuts on the table and said, no, like this deal's not happening with that first round condition. We will never know.

Is this now going to be another one of those wrinkles that we're starting to see? Because somewhere there was the first trade where somebody retained salary and then got a third team involved to retain more. Right. Is this going, will we see the, I'll give you this pick, but I'll have to give you one the year after because I might use it this year. And you know what they took out in the last CBA that would have helped this for Connie a lot. If the player re-signs, we get it this. That condition is no longer accepted. And it was such an easy one to do with rentals, RET, because you know what the price for the guy is for two months. But shit, if he signs for eight years, like, we should be compensated for that as well. They took that out and that kind of handcuffs GMs in the spot that Connie was in here.

because if there's a conditional 2026 first for him signing an extension in Vegas, that saves your bacon a bit. If he signs next week an eight-year deal, you're like, holy shit, you give up nine years of Hannafin for what? Yeah, don't they always put stuff into the CBA to protect the GMs from themselves?

That's one they should have left in there. Listen, dummies. Well, and the other thing that is you could no longer just retain salary. You have to trade something back. So now we see all these list players that are no-name guys, getting moved. Like, did you solve the problem or is it just more complicated now? Yeah. So I guess

what Flames fans need to be cheering for is a first round victory for the Vegas Golden Knights. Whoever they play, win in the first round, that now you've got a second rounder. And then as soon as you win that, be absolutely so god-awful. Well, first they need, okay, so he needs to use the 2025 pick before

tomorrow. So it's 2026. You want the 2026? I want the 2026. Because it's not top 10 protected. Okay. Because the best casing. So win the first round. Now you get the second instead of the third and then become awful. So that in 26, by that 2025 season, they're so bad that their 2026 pick is high. We're kind of joking. But at the same time, we talked about before the show, it's kind of what happened with San Jose in Ottawa. It's happened twice. We saw in the Matt Dushain deal where he wasn't happy in Colorado. That was the big three-way deal. Sam Gerard, Dushain, Nashville, Ottawa. Colorado ends up getting

a pick they used on Bowen Byron as just like, that was just a first because that's how badly it went with Ottawa's pick. And then the other instance was the San Jose Sharks think they're a piece or two away. They go out Eric Carlson. They go all the way to the conference final. Remember, if they have a healthy Eric Carlson, they probably beat the Blues, then maybe they have a cup.

He's playing on one leg. They don't get through. And you're like, well, they'll be good next year. And it all fell apart. And that pick that they thought was going to be a late first turns into number two or three. And it's Tim Stutzlow. it's not the most likely outcome, but it does happen.

It's an unprotected pick in 2026. It is not in 2025. It's essentially what you're highlighting here. So if you want the best case, we're going to have to wait for it. I mean, I'll be dead for sure by 2020. The over is already paid on you. 10 years ago, you told us you were going to be dead in five years.

You've been five years over that. Keep waiting. How's that toe? It's always better today. It's not 100%, but it's better. It's stunned to hear footsteps coming up the stairs and stuff. see your face. Clumping?

No, I'm just like, what are you doing here? You should be dead. Light foot, heavy foot. Light foot heavy foot. What happened to the camera? Who broke? We got some cord issues. I think Jack is smuggling cords and has set up an illegal cord sales ring out of his

basement. Yeah, we're not totally sure. Yeah. But there are some, well, now let's take a look at what else could be happening. So the trade target board that was put together. I think this is the Frank Sarah Valley. This is good. This is our boys at Daily Faceoff.

This is what they have on the trade board as far as remaining. So there you see Hanifin gone. Jake Gensel, the word was what? He was going to be traded today. It's not like the Dubus was going to get this deal done in advance of the deadline. So be ready today potentially. And then Riley Smith. Two penguins at the top all of a sudden.

In there as well. Toff dog all of a sudden in there. Bowley, Pabell Buchenevich. Now, where is St. Louis? They're on the outside of the wildcourt. Not playing that well. but in that mix. They're sort of somewhere between Calgary and Nashville

with Seattle and Minnesota. They need things to go well to get in, but them acknowledging they're going to sell Bushnevich, probably lets you know how things are going to go. And he's got a year left, if I'm correct, on his deal. He's a great player, good distributor, good offensive playmaker. Max Patch already nicked out in Washington. They trade Joel Edmondson this morning to Toronto for a third and a fifth.

Right. That's a, that's a true living deal, eh? Get a defenseman for a third and a fifth round pick. It feels like he did that just about at every deadline. Get some defenseman that's big and kind of whatever for a third and a fifth. So patch ready. Well, that's the Zadora price, third and a fifth. I guess I said that.

Yeah, that's kind of where I put Edmondson. He's a third pair banger. Brandon DeHame of the Wild at eight. And he's just a high energy, hit everything around fourth line guy on a cup team. Frank Vitrano. He's at a great year. He can score. Might get to 30.

Sounds like the price is really high. Should be. There's term left, not a rental. Put a big, big ask on him. And then Jacob Chikrin of the senators at the 10 spot. And we've talked about him and you said yesterday. That's just purely speculation, wondering about this kid. Good player. Good players.

He did want him more than rebuilding teams. But potentially heading to his third team. And is only one year till free agency. It's not like locking up a young guy with lots of team control. Is there worth looking any deeper than that, Jack? We can tell you, Matt Dumber, Jason Zucker. Dumber's a right shot that helps because, there's not a lot of those on the market.

Edmondson moved today. And then you're into the goalie territory. Alan Markstrom, back to back. Now, obviously, if Markstrom is going to be moved, he would be number one on this list. Yeah, this is the blend of value and likelihood of being. Yeah, probability.

So we saw Gensel, who's now number one, down at 30 a month ago because the penguins were very much in a playoff race. And they'll keep them if they're in it. But now they've fallen out, he jumps up because he's going to get a haul, and they are going to move. The coyotes have already kept Zucker out of a game, just for keeping him for health reasons. So a good chance that he goes.

David Savard, he's had a fine season for Montreal. Ocpozo is old as dirt. Yeah, I don't know why they re-signed him. That made no sense to me. It made no sense to anyone. They just got out from under that awful deal, the same summer that it was Erickson and Ladd. And not that it matters,

because they're not making it, and they weren't squeezed by the cap. But it wasn't one of the, we'll give you a million bucks to kick around. No. Over two million. I'm sorry. One town deal there, no.

Two million for being a nice guy. God, I got to get some of these deals. Declare was a year. Or be a nice guy. Yeah, one of the two. No, I just want the deal. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Can I get the nice guy deal? Sorry, sir, you don't qualify. Yeah, you're not in the nice guy. There, sorry. Do you see Anthony Duclair hired another agent. He had an agent, got rid of an agent, was doing his own thing.

now he's got an agent again. Tyson Barry, the love affair with you and Tyson Barry. We'll see if that comes. No, it's just, you know what? He's a UFA. They need NHL bodies. It would be cheap, if not a payment from Nashville to get him

and you get a free look and someone that can render power play. Miramanov. Not on the list. He's going, but that's rather than getting to Barry did. I don't know. We got a lot of Barry talk before we even know who Miramano was. I don't know that the changes a lot. lot or maybe it does.

Feels like they'll want to give him a look. And who was the last one on that? I saw Jordan Eberley. Everley who's been tied to Edmonton, which would be hilarious. If they added two forwards, they still haven't added D or a number. Because Beverly,

they got rid of Eberley because he couldn't do it in the playoffs. That's right. He's not a playoff performer, couldn't do it for you. So they're headed to the playoffs. And then in the next four years, he outscored the entire world this franchise and playoff goals,

which is something. Yeah. I don't know that we need to go much deeper than that. That's a lot. That's a lot. So that's where it is. But these deals were done. We are going to have Darren Dregger.

So we'll get to the Pinder report coming up here in a moment. And then at the bottom, probably about 20 minutes or so. Dregs is going to come on. He is, as you might expect, busy. Busy this time of day. Trades that took place yesterday, in addition to the Hannafin, that was the last one of the day. The Colorado Avalanche busy on a couple of different spots. Yes, this happened as the show closed.

And our speculation as the show ended was immediately proven to be correct. So the flyers and the abs hook up on a trade that they add to the defense. A first round pick to Philly for Sean Walker. Ryan Johansson also goes. That's a big part of this. He had fallen out of favor in Colorado, was not having a great year. And that was not what they wanted in the number two center hole.

He has some salary. So getting that out, they actually open up cap space with this deal. also believe he was disgruntled. The team was disgruntled with him. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if he was disgruntled with him. He was disgruntled with them.

They were with him. So out goes Johansson and his salary and a first round pick. So the abs get Walker and a fifth for the first. Philly immediately place him on waivers. Could be H.L bound. Yeah. Come on, Ryan. Be nicer.

Ryan? Try and fit in. So the avalanche, they get the defenseman there. they then make another deal. They get another defenseman, or they ship out a defenseman because he was now, I guess, expendable. Owen Byron, we've heard his name a lot,

Casey Middlestad, who was a first rounder of the Buffalo Sabres, and you waited and waited and waited, is he a bust? Is he going to be any good? And then he finally got good and they traded him to Colorado. Well, they got Bowen Byron out of it.

This is a very interesting deal because I think both sides are very, very intrigued and hopeful of the guy they got. and I don't know that it changes scenery is the right way to describe it, but both guys will have great opportunities in their new spots. I'm sure Casey Middlestad would love to be a not Sabre because he's never played in the playoffs. I'm sure Bowen Byron would love to be a top four defenseman. He wasn't going to be that in Colorado with their depth chart.

I think it works for both squads. I really like this deal. And you know what? Not often you see good prospect for good prospect. That's two this year because we saw the Cutter Gochay for Jamie Drysdale deal as well. These are very, very highly touted young players. when they came into the league. Byram has been plagued by health issues.

There was some baggage to do that deal, though, right? Because Gochay wasn't staying. No, no, of course. I'm just saying to see two high-end prospects swap for each other's rare. It's twice down. Yes, there's things that led to it. No similarity in that. But, you know, Byron, tough high pick.

If he can play the way he's supposed to play, that really, I mean, you've got two first overall picks on D for the Sabres, and now this guy, another top five pick. Power Dahlene Byron. You can see what they're true. trying to do. If he can stay healthy and hold up his end of the bargain, and not, again, I give all this Buffalo info. Ukapakalukinen has been maybe the best goalie in league since the new year.

It's funny. This trade, I guess, of the All-Star break, Bowling Byron goes on, hot holiday, gets away for a week, and he's got some buddies on the Sabres. And they start talks like, yeah, it'd be fun to play with you guys. It'd be great. I'd be happy to play there. And then, three weeks later, the deal gets done. So you know, that went up the food chain up to Kevin Adams. We were talking with Byron. He'd love to be here.

And then the Oilers did get a deal done yesterday. They ship out their first rounder. It was always, what are you going to do? What do you buy it? You getting a goalie? Okay, you're okay. And goal, right, fair enough. What about on D?

Are you good? They send the first and a fifth to the ducks in exchange for Adam Henrique, centerman and Sam Carrick and a seventh. Yeah, I believe Henrique's a right shot center that'll play on the third line. maybe they're just going to play dry-south. I don't know what to do with their lines. They have three very good centers, but often you don't see dry-sadle down the middle,

or you see Nugent Hopkin on the wing, or they load up one line. It gives them a lot of flexibility and depth up front, but again, we just keep thinking, like, who's going to push Cody Cici onto the third pair? That's a problem. Yeah, I don't mind the trade. No.

I like Henrique. I think he'll be good for them. I think that he'll, I think he's a fine player. I still think they have to be fining away in the next day and a half to get to get a defense when we hear that now they're circling around eberleague i just don't know how much cap space and assets they have to do that i don't know they're they're drinking the kool-aid on that d corbian elite i i just think that he doesn't have to be a star they just need one more guy i mean do they think that once they get into the playoffs

and does broberg come up or like what do they i mean the cap is irrelevant the cool Black makes a decent amount of money so they're trying to spitball getting him out, but he's actually a good defensive third pair guy that's played well with day or Ne. The problem is C.C. He's not a second pair of guy and a cup winner. I don't know.

I know what you're saying, but I think the problem is management. And maybe McDavid and his agent because clearly they don't give a shit to vote their own end of the ass. Like, they're so ultra-focused on we're going to have the buck

And we're just going to, like, are you never going to be in your end? Have you watched Vincent Dayharnay? I'm sorry. I watched him in the playoffs last year. Not good. And are you never, are you not going to have an injury on the back end? And they like the Broberg's done in the American League. But by this age, you should be established as a top four, not maybe a third pair guy.

That this, it's, he's bordering on bus territory with the amount of time that's passed since he was taken in the top 10 ahead of Zegras and Caulfield. I can't speak to it and where he was drowned and all of that. I just wonder if there is some strategy in place because they have to be seeing what everybody else sees. But anyway, moving on from that. Flames are in Tampa Bay tonight. Marty Pospisal will not play. He'll serve the first of three-game suspension.

Just be sitting there. He'll have his board shorts on. You like that guy. Yeah. Be hang out. Of course, the flames had their four-game winning streak snapped with that loss against Seattle on Monday. Murder is 0-2.

So they'll probably have a good run here. It's the thing is safe to say. Joel Hanley will be making his flames debut tonight. Retro, Sporting. Number 44, the newcomer plays both sides. I'd think maybe on the right side of a pair with Denny Gilbert. 44. Yeah, I'm sure it's an homage to the old Warner.

Absolutely. I put out there, so, oh, boy, right? I was thinking Chris Butler. It's going to be a tough, tough show because Hanley's going to wear 44. Retro is going to be. Could Branson already wore 44? Didn't, uh. Oh, well, thank you, man.

Thanks. I didn't realize that. Butsy wore it. Butler wore it. No, yeah. Jonas Hoagland back in the day, I swore had it for a bit. And then there was, wasn't, uh, who was the depth defenseman that always played, put me in coach? I'm ready to play on the sound system and because hardly never put him in.

Bartkowski. Didn't Bartkowski wear fours? I'm not sure. You know what? I just, often imitated, never do. complicated a retro good luck handley good luck it's a nice little pickup yeah uh on the other side tampa they they're we're 44 they're fighting it they're you don't worry about them once they get into

the playoffs but they're a wild card team i was shocked to see they're playing the tail off of vasselowski he missed a bunch of time at the start of the season that's right coming off injured he started 10 of their last 11 37 of 43 every he's playing six or seven or seven in a row sits for one game, plays six or seven. They are absolutely riding. I mean, his numbers, 2.98 and an 896 save percentage, which... Not Vasilevsky-esque. It's not Vasilevsky-esque, but how don't you somehow, you just feel like you give them the benefit of the doubt?

You know what it is? It's last year with Mars. It's not that bad, but it's like Daryl kept looking at his two guys. I'm putting this guy in again. I'm putting this guy again. And the other guy's Eunice Johansson there. Or what did they... Yeah, he's there.

I think there's a third guy. But it's him or bust for sure. Yeah. And they aren't in a spot where it's like, yeah, we're going to finish second. We can't go up or down. Let's just get them some. No, they're the last wild card. The Islanders, two games in hand, four points back.

They are right in a race here. So there you go. They have the number one ranked power play. It's not right. They do. It's odd. Is it? Stavcos, Kutura, point.

Headman. Oh, yeah. Now, Cirgacheb has been injured too, which is maybe part of. Which is why the Hanifin got tied there immediately. Yeah. So anyway, that's. I guess that's the scoop there for the for the flames. That's opening statements

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Where are the flames at? Who's around them? Okay. We'll take a peek as we do almost every day. Look at Vegas in the wild card. I really like when you say Vegas win the first round, your third becomes a second. I really like the sound of that sentence. When I look here, it makes it

defending cup champions, Ryan. Concerning. Now, that said, they have added some good players that will help them. They may have players that are hurt that'll be healthy by the playoffs. What a stuner that would be. I'm hopeful that. I'm hopeful. Maybe you'll line up with Vancouver. There'll be a helpful match for the connection. Congrats on your Pacific Division regular season title. Here's the defending Stanley Cup champs, 20 million over the cap. Good luck with that, guys. Schedule looks like this. Busy March.

Busy road trip. Three and four starts tonight. Good teams. Tampa, Florida, and then Carolina, with travel and no rest in the middle, back-to-back, matinees, rat, sloppish. That's quite a scad.

It really is a lot. And they come home for Colorado, Vegas, who, yeah, you just heard us talk about them. They're adding as they move to the deadline. Oof. But the flames been very good. They're no. They held that time long.

They've handled 500 against their top six teams in the lake. They've handled Winnipeg well. supposed to be in good shape, right? You're all into fitness and stuff. Yeah. Let's go. It was like Torterella, you see you the other days? I feel like we are really in the business of trying to

tell the players that they're allowed to be tired. They work so hard, it's about being tired. Enough of that. You're a pro. Tampa looks like this real quick. We'll glance at them. Yeah, that definitely looks like a team that have a good power play. Look at that top line. Stampco's point, Kutcherov.

Hegel's been very good this year. They sent two firsts and two prospects for him. Sorrelli quietly turned into a nice checking center. Nick Paul, they added from Ottawa last year. He's a big body down the middle. On the back end, what do they look like? Well, they still go Victor Headman. Yes, they do.

On the back end, there we are. Not as deep. You notice the absence of Mikhail Sergachev, don't you? Calvin Dahan looks a whole lot better on that third line. never mind emil martinson lilberg alphabet soup at the bottom i thought it was evil when i first saw that evil martinson he might not be the good one i don't know we'll see how evil he is tonight as for the flames lines well i mean why don't we just go back to springs battle of alberta remember that series we were there that's what's left holy fuck well did they win that series they did not well then you have to make changes

Ryan. I knew there was changes, but if you want to make an omelet, you got to break for you eggs, Ryan. It might be sold out of eggs pretty quick as what I'm noticing here. If they move the mansion, like that is stark how much of the roster's turned over in less than two years. Blame Trilliving. I don't know. It's blame. It's just might be for the better. Way to go, Trilliving. What did that team win anyway? Huh? Really? Oh, you got to the second round. Set us, set everybody up for success here. Dimitri Miramanov is the man added by the Calgary Flames. No.

Danil Miramanov is the very well-known prospect added by the Calgary Flames. A man who needs no introduction, but we'll try. He played with Jacob Peltier and Jr. Don't believe me. Watch this. There is behind his own net. Zink. Breakaway pass. He's in all along. Cherry Picker. Oh, my God. That's a stretch.

That's a retro. No, no. Look, he's a break. No, no, look, he's, he got in behind the D. That's poor awareness by the defense. And what's his nuts Miramano of? Right on his tape. Sentiment alone. Love to see it. What else can we show you?

I mean, come on. He's got a hard shot. Let's see a hard shot. Yeah, well, it used to be a forward. Watch this. I mean, it doesn't look like a D man here when he rushes the puck. This is A. This is HL hockey and he looks like.

Holy cow. He looks like to do good for the 80 stars. Wow. Wow. He's watching jump in on the right here. And that's against the Kings a couple of years ago. I was like, wow, that's a nice goal. And then I saw who the goal it was.

Okay, well, maybe it wasn't his. Bill Terwilliger. Well, you just wait, you're going to kick out of it. You'll forget this guy played in the league. Zink. Sparks. Sparky? Garrett Sparks.

Garrett Sparks. And it definitely been going off the shoulder. Guy could shoot it. We'll see what he's like. The HL card is a really dominant one. He's been superb at creating offense. I don't want to get too nerdy here, except all the dark blue stuff is very good.

Like 99th percent all, 90th plus percentile, all those offensive metrics. He's really good at offense. I don't know that he can defend very well. I don't know that they need him to if he can run a power play. We'll see what he is at the NHL level. It's 26. He is a defenseman.

He is a D man that used to be a forward. We think he's a D. Pretty sure. Play him up front because they need forwards. They sure don't need wingers. You play center. We saw that highlight. He went right down mainstream.

Ranglers got a special event coming up. I love the jerseys that they can do because the NHL doesn't have fun anymore. A lot not allowed to have fun jerseys. Someone might be offended by a jersey. This is indigenous celebration jerseys for the Wranglers. That kind of looks like the third jersey blasty that we saw for the Flames and did just a few years ago. And we'll get it to the other image.

That game's coming up for the Wranglers. It's nice to honor, you know, know, different groups in your community, right, with jerseys? I don't know why we would stop doing that. Treaty 7 lands, of course, is where Calgary is. Pretty cool. I like that. Gotcha.

Let's move. What's next for Vegas? Well, one of a Flames blogger Mike Fale saw this. Expecting Vegas to put the following players in LTR today ahead of the trade deadline. Eichl tuberculosis, Barbashev, penis exploded. William Carlson, I twitch while pooping. They're all expected to turn for round one. I mean, that is kind of the Vegas meme.

That's a good comeback for Eichol. if he's got the TV. That is not... So, I mean, my eye twitches, too. Should I go see a doctor then? Is this... If you're not on the show, you're not getting paid. Medical condition.

Yeah, okay. Doc, I got it. My understanding is that the time is... My eyes starts twitch. Panthers had some fun jerseys. Let's take a look at this. I think they allowed some kids in elementary school design it.

No, it's actually a guy, but it's kids day. So fun colors. They got the nice palm tree on the train. Oh, yeah, yeah. And, uh, Bo Byram got moved. What will he be remembered for in Colorado,

Bo and Byram? Well, he was really drunk at the parade. Yeah, he was. That's right. Yeah, remember the police, fans had to say, no, no, no, he's on the team.

He actually plays in the team because the cops are going to haul him off. Like, he's a minor. Like, yeah, but he's on the team. I'll remember this. He's chatting with one of the members of the broadcast team for the abs. Who's kind of trying to flex on his custom suit. And Bo was not having any of them. it immediately on his toes of the quick

comeback. You like my jacket? Oh, yeah, it looks pretty sharp. Does yours have your name in it? No, my name's on the cup, though. Ding! Oh, Oh. I don't know if that's Mark Moser. I don't think that's Mark Moser. No, somebody there. Okay, we go to some other leagues of hockey for interesting things.

Rhett, did you have a good wrist shot? Oh, yeah. Because this got to be like a Kovalov's kid. Look at the way, look at this puck when he shoots it. Oh, two pieces. You see that one goes in the corner. That was the puck. Five hole, back of the net, broken two.

I've heard about guys like knocking it into, like, beating it square. Right. Not shooting it and breaking half off the post. But I think there's some confusion in this KHL contest. As the goal he thought they were at a commercial break, look at him grabbing a water. It's just having a. sip and the backdoor tap and the guy messes it.

It was a freebie. He's having water. That's got to be AI. Oh, what are you doing? I'm so thirsty. Water here, you don't want? Okay, wait. How does the guy decide he needs to pass that?

You look up and you see the D-Man sliding here. He's taking the shot away. He's trying to. He's not taking the shot of ways. There's no goaling. There's probably just put it in the net. All right. Minnesota high school hockey tournament, one of the best times of the year.

You get the player intros and the kids. It's all about hamming it up for the camera, showing off their hair. Let's have a little taste. We went with the bleach blonde on this team, it looks like. Oh, my God, leopard prints. Gumb animals, teenage boys. Okay, that's not too, man. A lot of flow here, man.

It's like troll balls. Yeah, it's a bit of this much time. Minnesota high school hockey here. Yeah, it's a vibe with the high school hockey in Minnesota. Kids are so dumb. Look at the stand. Very dumb.

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I think he was the first guy through as Noah Hanofin. He's going to the Vegas Golden Nights. And then we sat for five hours. Three. Did we ever? We were on YouTube. We were live for three plus hours last night waiting to find out what the age was going on. It was a.

And then we find out well with conditions and this and that. More conditions. Top 10 protected. More conditions. I guess walk us through last night as Noah Hannifan became a Vegas Golden Night. Well, I think the reason it took so long is there was a bit of a glitch in the salary of retention involving Philadelphia Flyers. And the fact that, you know, there's got to be some sort of property that's attached to that, right?

So there was a bit of a back and forth for sure between Vegas, Philadelphia and to some degree, Calgary was ready. Vegas was ready. They just had to sort through all of that. But yeah, yeah. I mean, it turned out to be a fascinating deal. And, you know, anybody who doesn't know Kelly McCriman, boomer, you and I were kind of offline joking about this. This is vintage McCriman right here because Julian Breezebaw and Tampa Lightning, I think felt like they had no had it from the bag. And that may be the case as a free agent.

I mean, why wouldn't he want to go to Tampa Bay if they have the cap space to pull them into Florida? not saying that it's impossible that he extends in Vegas, but it seems like a long shot when you look at the contracts and everything to Vegas Golden Knights have. But McCriman essentially swooped in and said, well, what do you want? And Conray said, well, here's what we want. Okay, that's fine.

Let's do that. You know, including guys, including that first round draft pick. Which one is that again? Yeah. It almost never happens where a general manager, will say, oh, this is a big call. Take it. Take it for now. No.

It's trade deadline tomorrow, Drex. Take it, honestly. Well, I don't think there's anything going on because the person who's calling me, texted me like 90 seconds ago to say, nah, status quo. So chances are there's some tire kicking going on here from his perspective to mine. So I'll tell my story and I'll text this person back while I'm telling the story. it. But that 25, that first round pick in 25, right? So Kelly says, all right, well, I'll give you the 25 pick. But I may need that first round pick in 25 if I'm in a land Jake Gensel or another forward. And if that's the case, then are you okay if we slide to 26? Well, not really, but well, I'll leave it unprotected. So which never happens, right? Right. You're always top 10 protect picks, it seems. Always. So that's how confident the Vegas Golden Knights are.

And I mean, even though it's a destination of choice, players want to go there, unrestricted free agents want to sign there. Do we honestly know what the Vegas Golden Knights are going to look like two years from now? You know, that that that 20206 pick could have end up being a top 15 pick, unlikely, but it could be. So there is, risk reward from Vegas's perspective, but I can 100% understand why Conroy and the Calgary Flames said, yeah, we can work with that. Why not? First case, we get a good pick here in 25. If you need that pick and we slide 26 unprotected, yeah, we're good with that too. So I think then what

happened was Calgary went back to Tampa Bay to say, you know, we've got other teams in the mix here. You're willing to Sweden and Tampa Bay said, no, we're not. Okay. then we're going to progress with, you know, a team are the teams that we're working with. And Tampa Bay basically went, okay, yeah, no problem. Came back to Tampa Bay and said, okay, we have a deal that we're going to go with. Hold on a second here. You know, what else can we do?

And by then it was too late. It was too late. So that's the tricky part of this time of year, you know, and knowing when to cut bait and when to push your cards and all your chips to the middle of the table. and obviously McCriman is excellent. So walk me through why the Vegas Golden Knights who hold their 2024 first round pick would feel the need to push this as far back as 2026.

Do you think both those first round picks are now going to be moved or in play? Or do they just need one of those two to keep? I think they just need one of them, but I can't sit here and tell you that they're not both in play. The one thing I can share is that when you look at the draft class, and I'm not a draft guru at all. But what I'm told by managers and amateur scouts is that this year's first round class in 24 isn't as deep as it appears 25 will be. And then how far can you look ahead when you're looking at potential first rounders in 2006?

But they do. That's what they do. That's what they project. So one thing I can be certain of is that McCriman is not done. the Vegas Golden Nights are not done. And I think what we're seeing around the Pittsburgh Penguins and Jake Gensel is that Kyle Dubas probably thought that he was going to have more to deal with yesterday. And he would have the opportunity to close that deal maybe at some point last night.

And it just didn't materialize. It didn't materialize. So again, I'm watching Vegas. And I'm sure McCriman is just sitting there. Okay, Kyle, fill your boots. You know, you get everybody together that you think is. going to make you your best offer, and then you come back here, and we'll have a conversation, and we'll work with that. That's what's going to happen, whether or not, you know, Vegas gets

that player or not. We'll see, but that's what's going to happen. What we're left wondering here in Calgary, I guess it's a couple of things. This deal was what kind of a bidding war, if you even want to call it that? How many teams were in the mix? Was this one, was this the only trade that would have had a first rounder? and a potential second, that sort of thing. What other teams would have been in this? Haniffin? Yeah, in the Hanifin mix.

And I guess also why does it need to be done on Wednesday night? Was this deal not going to be there today or tomorrow on pre-deadline? Yeah, I mean, that's a fair point. And without being on those calls or in those negotiations, I mean, did one guy say, look, there's a time sensitivity on this offer. And I'm going to rescind it. And maybe that was Vegas's standpoint. You know, we're not in a position.

You've shocked your deals. You've gotten what you think is the best available return, and we're giving you something better. So, I mean, there's a timestamp on this, so let's get on with it. Look, I think Toronto circled back, you know, but I also believe, whether it's true or not, I was told this that, you know, Noah Hannanfin made it pretty clear.

He wasn't going to sign in Canada, you know, an extension, right? Yeah. So if you're the Maple Leafs, you're okay with giving up your first round draft pick and maybe a prospect and maybe other draft picks would have been included. I don't know. I honestly don't think it got very serious between Trillivin and Conroy, but it got to a place where Toronto couldn't do any more than what they were willing to do because if you know you don't have a position to extend that piece, then come on. At some point, you've got to get protective of the assets that you're doling out there. So I got the sense that it did. It kind of came down to Tampa Bay in Vegas in the end.

And the deal was so good from Vegas's standpoint that they just felt like, you know, they better get it down. Obviously, they like Miramanov, right? Because as soon as they closed that deal, the trade, they were quick to give them a two-year contract extension. So, you know, you know what you're seeing in a 26-year-old, you know what his NHL game is, I think he's impossible to say because we haven't seen a lot of it. We're going to see a lot more of it moving forward. I just wanted to kind of, now that the big three trades here, Lindholm is gone, Tanev is gone, and now Hanifan.

We now know that there's really not, all due respect to Miramanov, and they picked up some guys off waivers. But there is no real warm contributing body on the NHL roster. I wonder what that means for guys like Cadry, guys like... Aside from Kuzmanko, right? Yeah, aside from Kuzmanko, I suppose. And then also, right, it's, what is Jacob Markstrom thinking? Because there's no, there's no immediate help. And really, it doesn't seem like there's any next year either.

And neither one of these, none of these look like they're going to come in and have a major impact. Is there, is still a heart or a pulse to this Markstrom potential movement? There is. And we can't say otherwise until the deadline gongs. tomorrow afternoon. So I'm trying to think of how I can explain this without getting myself in trouble. So like this. Well, look, I mean, New Jersey is willing to step up right now.

Willing to step up right now. And you talk about a warm body, who is that? Is it Holtz? Is it Mercer? You know, plus plus. What is that, right? Yeah. I think that Fitzgerald is willing to do just about anything.

You know, he's, Dossum Mercer seems like a lot to me. And depending on what the draft pick would be that would go along with the door picks, maybe that's too much from New Jersey's perspective. I get that. I get that. But it's a dangerous game that Calgary is going to have to play. And I understand why they're doing it. Look, I think ownership and senior management has this idea that, okay,

don't worry about the trade deadline. As long as we keep our Vesna quality goal tender, we've got a chance to claw back into that playoff mix. And if we can knock down a wild card spot, who says we can't win a round? Who says we can't win two rounds? We've seen that kind of lightning in a bottle sort of run in the past. I'm not on that side,

but I can appreciate why ownership would think that way and would be discouraging. because once Markstrom goes, then hey, fellas, call it whatever R word you want. Retool, renovation, rebuild. And then that's when you get into the conversation of Nazim Goddrie and some of the others in the offseason. But here's the problem. And I'm sure that this is what Craig Conroy is trying to advise to Maloney and to Murray Edwards. Okay, the problem is we get to the offseason and Jacob Markstrom says,

okay, you dragged me through the mud for several weeks, if not months. All right, I've got a full no move. I don't want to play in Calgary anymore. And here's my list of one team that I'm willing to go to. And now you're the New Jersey Devils. Okay, well, we were willing to do this, this, and this. That's the great deadline. Now we're giving you 60% of the return that we're willing to give you on the seventh and eighth of mark.

because we also have the idea of UC Saros. What about Linus Allmark in the Boston Bruins? If something doesn't happen there, there will be other pieces in goal that are available, maybe not quite as good as Jacob Markstrom, but quality goaltenders. So that's the issue that claims management is wrestling with today. That's a great wrinkle because I hadn't thought about that.

We keep hearing about how robust the goalie market will be the summer. I believe it will be, but he's been very like he said yeah I'll go to New Jersey is it a guarantee that means in June he says yeah I'll go to L.A. Yeah I'll go to Carolina.

Yeah I'll go to Toronto. Yeah I'll go to name team that gets disappointed by goaltender in round one here. Like that's not a guarantee at all. And so you're of the opinion that if Craig Connery's waiting for his socks to be blown off,

Jersey's in a position to do that before Friday. Tomorrow. Yeah, 100%. Absolutely. Absolutely. And a source close to the situation, Vladout asked me this morning, what's it going to take?

What does Calgary want? You know? So that tells me that the devils are certainly in a position. You know, they're in a position. Now, if Conroy goes back and maybe, you know, asked for what I suggested earlier, Mercer and first and something else, that might be enough for Jersey to say,

yeah, we're not doing that. So, you know, end of conversation, end of negotiation, but the devil's most definitely still want to work. Not good. Retro jump in there. Oh, I kind of almost forgot what I was going to say, but it's not kind of almost. I just did. Yeah.

It happens to be multiple times a day, especially this time of year. Well, I guess what I was going to say. This is what I was going to say. I don't even like saying it because it's, but boom, we've touched on it a little bit over the year where the word was, don't. talk to Markstrom. Didn't like the noise, yeah. I don't want to hear any of the noise, and it's like, good grief.

Like, are we this? Fragile. Yeah, paint him in a bad picture. Are we this immature that we can't deal with the business side and play? Like, my goodness, like kids' gloves. But maybe it is. And if the flames do make a play out this year, and he does have that personality, you better be careful what you're dealing with.

And Conroy probably knows that exactly. what he is dealing with. He might be pushing it. And like you said, drags, the other guys are like, wait a minute, we'll wait.

But if he is that, I hate sensitive about things, he might stick it to you. Well, and it's twofold now too, right, because if he's sour, let's call it,

and if he looks at a chance of winning here, and it looks like it's greatly diminished. Sure, has over the last week. That's, right? It could play a big part, too.

That's the thing we haven't really thought about. You have two years after this year, but what is this team going to look like? like yeah yeah well look the end of the day though is aren't we reminded constantly it's a business you know the managers and the owners they they like the idea that it's a big happy family and everybody's in it together and all of that okay yeah well that that that stuff works when you're in the playoffs and you come together as a team everybody appreciates understands their role when you get into situations like this um yeah i feel bad for jacob marchham um you

You know, I mean, he didn't choose this path by any stretch. And he is more than upheld his end of the market. I mean, look at the quality of the goaltending. This guy is provided. And, you know, he's watching this year. Yeah. And, you know, and he's watching his friends and quality players and teammates, you know, get bolted out the door as they go through this process. However, he can get as ornery as he wants.

If that's what he chooses to do in the offseason, if that's what he chooses to do, at the end of the day, the flames will go, yeah, perfect. Well, we have you under contract. So that's not going to change unless we find a way to work together to get the best deal done. So these are the things that just percolate, right? When you get to situations like this and they drift beyond the trade deadline. Yeah. And you know what?

Like we can talk about he should be more of this. He should be more of that. He's negotiated a no move clause. That's his right. He can use it as he sees. He doesn't have to play by anyone else. his rules on a no move because that's what he negotiated. And for players that didn't used to have this right, this is a valuable tool.

He can use it as he sees fit. We don't have to like it. He can do what he wants. 100% agree. Absolutely agree. And look, same situation applied to Teresenko, right? Going to the Florida Panthers. End of the day, there's lots of interest.

Lots of interest in Vladimir Teresenko. And there was a sense that he was willing to be more open. but his wife and his kids are there. And, I mean, it's just really nice in Florida. And when push came to shove, you know, just, you know, finish. Make that deal with Florida will be good. That's really what it boiled down to between Ottawa and the Florida Panthers. I actually thought that Billy Zito did Steve Stouse and the Ottawa Senator's bit of a favor

by, you know, giving the two draft picks a third and a fourth. And a fourth that can turn into a third if Florida goes to the country. up final. One of the wrinkle that would, I think Flame fans, we're going to sit here and watch is, is Elias Lindholm really going to get traded by the Vancouver Canucks? When that, when that started to bubble up, it's like this, this could be crazy. What's the likelihood of that? And is it, is it the unhappiness with how he's played? Is it positional strength and weakness? What's your read on that? Yeah. It's, it's bizarre, but it's entirely believable, mostly because we know that those conversations have been taking place and maybe still are as

Calduvus you know tries to manage his way out of a pickle with Jake Gensel right you know but that three-way scenario with Vancouver and Boston and Pittsburgh yeah that's real that's 100% real feels like a stretch you think to pull it off but it's it's it makes so much sense I mean when you look the Boston Bruins they don't need just one centerman they need two you know I mean really they do um you know the Vancouver Caducs liked Lynn Holm when they first got him. They thought that he'd be a real nice ad, but then things kind of went off the rails a little bit. And, you know, Rick Talkett tried to play him up in the lineup with Pedersen.

Then he tried to push him down on the lineup. And it just hasn't clicked for Lindholm in Vancouver. And the one thing that I always have admired about Jimmy Rutherford, you know, we talked, we started the segment, you know, given all the credit to Kelly McCremont, but Jimmy Rutherford wrote the book on dive it into that pool first and recognizing when something isn't a fit. And that's why you jump and you make the trade for Lindholm at the time that they did. They needed time to explore whether or not he was going to be a good fit. And if he isn't a good fit, then why wouldn't you consider trading that asset?

It's crappy for Lindholm because, you know, he feels like a suitcase, I'm sure, at this point. And I'm sure he doesn't appreciate the lingering speculation around him. You know, you dealt with that long enough in Calgary, and now he's fresh in Vancouver, and here we go again. It's entirely believable. And not just Boston. I heard the New York Rangers might have interest in Lindholm, so good on the list. One thing I know about Jimmy Rutherford again, he's not going to leave any stone on turn. If they believe that Lindholm isn't the right fit, then they'll put them out there.

They'll move them, and they'll try and find a piece that does fit. Sounds like we have two deals that have broken since we had you on, or at least are in the close. closing stages. Yeah, Dahame to Colorado. Doheim to Colorado. Nice fourth line energy guy, penalty kill. And it sounds like Troy Stetcher might be heading to Edmonton.

We saw him here in Calgary after the deadline last year. Great human defense first, not big, six, seven type for Edmonton. Just thoughts on those two, if they're confirmed or just if they are going to happen, how do you like them? Yeah, I mean, I like them for sure. You know,

the Minnesota Colorado deal is interesting to me. Colorado always finds a way to get work done as well. And they always find a way to improve their roster around the trade deadline, kind of reminiscent of the Tampa Bay Lightning, even though Julian Breezeball has been largely quiet, but look so far what Chris McFarland and the avalanche have accomplished, you know, gave up a lot in sending Bo Byron to the Buffalo Sabres for middle stat, middle stat needed a change.

So I think that Colorado is definitely, maybe not loaded up, that might be too extreme, but they've gotten better and they're deeper than what they were. Edmonton for sure. Edmonton have targeted Adam Henrique basically right out of the gate. And Kenny Holland was relentless. He just kept his eye on that, kept his eye on that, kept his eye on that. You know, and continue to have conversations with everybody, including, you know, defense, you know,

was on the show one a month or so ago. We talked about the unlikely possibility, but a possibility of can't. I know there was conversation between Calgary and Edmonton. There was conversation between Edmonton and Philadelphia on Sean Walker. So again, I just look at teams that have improved, but the improvements are primarily happening. For the most part, are they not in the West? You see Vegas doing what they're doing.

Colorado is responding with what they've done. I mean, they're good up. Yeah, Dallas is at it. I mean, that and now all of a sudden, you know, I talked to somebody in Winnipeg this morning. and it's not like Kevin Chabalaya, hasn't done anything. I mean, he brought him Sean Monaghan,

who's been a real nice ad for the Winnipeg Jets, but he's kind of feeling that he'd do to do something else. You know, maybe add another forward. You know, it is. It's an arms race in the West. And, you know, now it's dollar in, dollar out for sure for the Edmonton letters, but I'm not entirely sure they're done there yet either. Will Landiscaug return in the playoffs?

Yeah, and Nitchie. if you have any clarity there. What do you know on those two fronts? Yeah, Nachuskin for sure. I mean, that's the expectation. Landisg, moving target, just, sorry about that, given, you know, everything he's had to deal with with that knee. So he continues to skate and he's pushing it as hard as he can, but no guarantee, but what an ad he would be. Yeah. Such a major injury to try and come back from too, right? It's, but, but Colorado, it's those, it's, it's, it's like being a hockey parent. You would know this, both everybody, right? Well, when's it enough? Well, my kid, he played,

he played hockey. Well, is he playing spring hockey? Well, okay, is he going to this skating, this power skating school? Okay, well, what about this? Is he going to that? Well, this camp in the summer. So it's like, there's a shooting coach over here. Are we doing a disservice by not doing absolutely everything? And if you did, and then, oh, yeah, was he in that? Yeah, he was in that. But is he in this? I don't know, it's, it's hard for GMs to know when it's enough. Well, as long as you have cap space or you have the possibility of creating some flexibility, then you haven't done enough, right?

I mean, that's what it boils down to. And you hope I've had so many managers. You know what? That's an exaggeration. I've had three or four. Let's be clear. In the last 24 hours, it's probably related to the action. of the Vegas cold nights who are just

beside themselves. And I know it's coming in the next GM meetings in the 10 days or whatever it is here. Just how the system is so loose now, right? And we talk about it a little bit. Yeah. And now brokering these third teams and

how is it that you've got a salary cap that strangles everything for, what, 11 and a half months? Now, you know, I went, well, any time between all summer through the regular season until the start of the playoffs. And then the playoffs come around and it doesn't matter. You can have as many players as the cap doesn't matter.

So, you know, and look, they're clearly looking at the Vegas school, the nights when they complain about that. But we're going to talk about it. I know we'll talk about it at the GM's meetings. And I know what the commissioner is going to say. He's like, hey, manage your team is the way you need to manage your team. The cap is what it is. and we don't see any reason to change the system works. That's what we'll get.

But I guarantee it'll be a talking point when we get to Florida in a couple of weeks. And we always see these things, these wrinkles in trades that retain salary, then a third team comes in to retain more salary. I wonder if McCriman has got the, I'll give you this pick unless I use it clause in some trades moving forward. You invented something. It feels like, didn't it? Dregs, you're a good boy.

Thanks for getting on. We'll be watching tomorrow. You're the best. We'll keep an eye on you. All right. Should be an interesting one. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Matt.

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So I'm going to go with Braden Point. And two plus points, nets you a plus. 155 and if he gets one power play or more on a power play plus 155 there as well. Points point point point points points points. That's right. Points points points. And I kept the spelling easy for Jack.

It's point points, point point. He nailed it. He didn't take the over on ponds. This is a point spit. Yeah. Ponds. I've got some action on this game as well. I'm going to jump on Tampa Bay minus one and a half.

Big game for them. Flames are going to be scrambling with some very new pieces. Joel Hanley going to make his flames debut. I imagine on the back end. Their second pair of a week ago, 10 days ago, poof gone. Tabba needs this. Minus 1.45,

minus 1.5, pays plus 145. And I like Matt Coronado to get on the score sheet tonight. All right. Maybe he's playing with, uh, Godrian Kuzmenko. Those guys are rolling. You get peltje up, uh, the,

the French wingers with Sharon Govich. Let's go. Coronado. Corn, as Jack calls him. Corn dog. Corny. that's our betway bets plus 300 for coronado anytime that's not a big game hunting it doesn't feel like it should be a lot more than that right

i saw four plus 400 for pelche if you like that shen govich plus 200 those are our betway bets doesn't mean you have to use them but there they are would recommend and encourage you to get the betway app and play along yourself but as always bet the responsible way with betway uh there are 12 NHL games tonight curious to see if that's where we're going. With DoorDash, get the, again, it's about getting the app. It's all about the apps.

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There'll be a lot of guys like that for sure. I think on my camera, I have an issue with, I think that's frame rate. See how it's kind of, did it did, did it. I don't see that at all. No. Well, you don't, you don't know what you're looking for. That's correct. I believe you.

As opposed to it being a smooth movement. Yeah, okay. Right? It is the internet. Yeah. Well, I think it's the camera. I just mean that. Yeah.

The peep's got us on on the side window on the YouTube's. Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe. I should just stay at home. You know what? Tomorrow? Vigger?

Where do you think Red's going to be tomorrow? Sastu. I got a sneaky feeling. You got a feeling? Yeah, yeah. He's going to sneak out. Because he has an event. Oh, it's the same time every day.

Well, Red, it's the same time every day. Oh, I've been Saskatoon. I'm going to start later. Yeah. Well, we'll just do the show. and jump on and say hi from that. Yeah, I think that's how it's going to go. There's a ceremony with the Blades this weekend that he's also going back for.

So as a different life he lives, the double jersey retirement trip, never been on one of those. I was in the, I was in the vehicle with him the other day. We were going to the, to our little get together. And a phone call came from the household. And one of the kids was on and the shoveler was on. And I can, it was. So when's the flight booked? We don't know.

I don't have a play yet. It's not a show. It's not a gimmick. It is real life. And so we don't know if he'll be on the show tomorrow. If he'll be in Calgary, if he'll be in Saskatoon. And his family doesn't even know when he's returning. It's correct.

They don't know. How are we supposed to know? How are we supposed to know? And here's the thing with Red. He's not hiding stuff. If he doesn't know, how could you know? That's the truth. He doesn't even know.

He doesn't know. This guy was so ripe for like, like an administrative assistant or like an organizer, someone that could help him have things booked. Like imagine how much money he would have saved with these flights were booked, you know, like four months ago. Yeah, that was brought up by the shoveler. She's like, no, we don't like to book things ahead.

We like to do it right before and pay five times as much. That's right. Yeah. There's not deals day of? Oh, no. We're going to extort you day off. Okay. So that, uh, that will pretty much do it.

Now, tomorrow is trade deadline day. I saw some of the other shows inside the network. They are just, they're saying, hey, Frank, take over our feed, big boy. Frankie boy. Put on your network pants and we'll go coast to coast. I don't think we can do that because we only got the great clips inbox tomorrow for great clips. If you have a question for the show, for retro for us, hockey, whatever it is, life, love. Send the questions in.

Comments, clips. Yeah, great clips inbox at flamesnation.ca. dot CA is the email address. We'll get into those tomorrow. I suspect there will be more trades. Yeah, there will. That will be made between now and Showtime. The biggest chip out there, according to Frank's board, is Jake Gensel.

That's a serious guy you're bringing in. A playoff performer, guy with rings, natural goal score, playoff hockey player. Where's it going? Yeah. Well, we'll wear on that. Yeah, I'll give you my 2024 first, unless I trade that one. And then I'll give everyone in 2027.

That's right. So that's what's happening there with that. So I don't know about you guys, but the way the other live stream ended was absolutely hilarious. I'm sure it was no. I'm sure that was hilarious. But he's got Tyler the creator again. He's got the avatar. I like that.

I know you do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jack wasn't much help. I noticed.

More helpful in the studio. if I had to sort of rate his helpfulness, not unhelpful today. And it was not having my check-in phone call. No. Yeah, yeah, I got it. Yeah, yeah, I got it. Just shut up. I'm on it.

I know, I know, I know. I guess that'll do it. I don't do it. I don't do it. Will the flames make a trade? Will there be another flames move? Now we know that Austin Lee is on waivers. A trade.

Will there be a trade involving the Calgary Flames before deadline hits tomorrow? Love to tell you, but I'm frozen. My God. See you, buddies.