Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - The Marc Savard Era Is Over + Darren Dreger Joins The Show | FN Barn Burner - May 23rd, 2024

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program here on another rainy day in the city of Calgary. I was sitting in here. I was doing my preparation, you know, all the work that goes into this show. And I heard this and I was like, what the, is they like, are the dogs into something? Is something what's going on in the house? It's rain. It was the pitter-patter of raindrops on my window. Not the pitter-patter of paws. No, no. The dogs are in their sleep.

They're done for the day. Farmers are pumped. Talked to them. Kindersly today, the preacher who's bragging about all their farmer buddies. Oh. Wow. On watch wallet. Yeah, yeah.

Boys out in scrap more. Oh, Dean. It's a long way from the bin. It's, it is a lot. Yeah. Don't quite have it in the bin yet, though. Don't quite have it in the bin.

Yeah. You got a text on Mr. Sterling. He must be jacked. Oh, they'll be pumped. I would think. Hilton family, yeah. You never know the way.

It gets spotty in places. I don't know how much we're going to get today, but it's always drier to the southeast of the city. But it doesn't, doesn't it feel like it's been, if you're in the agricultural business, a great, rainy couple weeks, hasn't it? Yeah, I think the mood would be high, would be a very high. Be a lot of happy, you know, in the small town, they'd swing by the elevator or whatever they even call them now, the terminal. but swing by, drink all the coffee and hobnob and hang out, and the mood would be very high. I would think the coffee at the ANW tastes pretty good these mornings out there.

It's always a nice touch. If you're in a big enough center for. That's true. Yeah, I was going to say there's no ANW in some of these small towns. So you're going to the Cargill elevator. Well, maybe you are going into Kinder's League because you've got to go to the big city. I mean, maybe. Yeah, maybe so.

It doesn't really affect us, though. Yeah. You know, our moods are, our moods are right there all the time anyway, regardless. Daddy. Nothing, nothing brings us down. No, sir. Uh, we're going to have Darren Dregor from TSN. He is our, holly insider.

So Thursday. Thursday, Tiger? He's on a roadie tomorrow. He's doing one of these. They're not doing it back to back with us. No. Okay. He's doing one of these tomorrow.

Going to Saginaw, Michigan. That's correct. In the hockey league of Ontario, that Michigan team. Saginaw, the Memorial Cup. Oh, baby. Dreg's going down for the M-Cup. I'm guessing there must be some because his son played to a fairly decent level.

I think he was teammates with that Matt Patra. He's told us. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I wonder if he's got some connection. We'll talk to him about it. I mean, we'll ask him rather than just kind of speculate. How the hell are we supposed to know?

It was closer. I'd go. Yeah. Well, how far is it? From here, five hours. Ooh, too far. Too far. Do you think he's carpooling with Lubo?

That'd be a guy to go to the Mement Cup with. I'll tell you that for free. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I'm not sure what the travel plans are. In 1996, I remember when Moncton. That would be unbelievable, isn't it? Best ever was in Shikudami in, we're not sure.

Yeah. We're not sure what it is. So we'll talk to him. There's things to get into. There's been a coach hiring in the National Hockey League. A playoff series began last night, and a playoff series begins tonight. Two coach hirings since we talked last with him.

Well, since we talked to him, yeah. Yeah, Hiller. Hiller stays and Sheldon grief. Yeah. Keefe. Buruby wasn't unveiled until Monday, so that probably hadn't happened. Yeah, broobs. The Hiller's not really a hiring.

He's just kind of. Yeah. Is everybody as kind of melancholy about that as we are? You know what? I just think it was like, what do we really know about Drew Bannister and Jim Hiller? I know nothing. So I hope they're great and maybe they're wonderful

and this is their time to shine and show their top coaches in the league. But certainly it doesn't have the cachet of a, you know, if someone was going to go hire Alain Vigno or, you know, my concern with Hiller, or something. My concern with Hiller is that he had a stab in the playoffs to,

get the most out of a couple guys and they didn't elevate. So I don't think that's on him. It speaks to the character of the individual, but still, as a coach, kind of your job. No, we can run through the, because there's still some jobs open for the NHL head coaching spots. There are. I got him right here for you.

Wait, I got a text Conrad. But first, but first, guys, let's bring it close to home. I mean, let's bring it close to home. Yeah. We are a Calgary Bay show. There is Calgary coaching news that we should probably get to Tootsweet. It was rumored for a number of days and was made official yesterday by the club Mark Savard and the flames parting ways going in their separate directions. Zavard ran the forwards and the power play.

Results in the power play weren't all that good, says Ryan Pike spending much of the season ranked 29 to 30th before a late season. surge to 26th. That was a Kuzmenko-based surge, I believe, too. Straight face. Couldn't do it. So that's twice Mark Savard's left the city of Calgary, and I don't think either time people were really thrilled about it. Yeah, this was the first time, I think, more unceremonious.

Yeah, I guess maybe I phrased that wrong. It's been two disappointing stints in Calgary. Expectations were high in both. Yeah. And I don't think Marksavard's a bad guy or whatever. It's just it hasn't worked here twice. I would say in both scenarios, not surprisingly. are its fault. Yeah, some of it out of his hands. I would think in both scenarios, it's partly

Mark Savard's fault, but you're right. They weren't right for the picking situations for Mark Savard. Yeah, the second one's hard to necessarily tell one way or the other. But, um, anywho, uh, job opening, I guess. Is that what, uh, oh, I just text, no, I just text, um, I just text, Conrad. I just text Conroy. So, you know, you know why hockey goalies make such good commentators? Like, you always see the color guys are always goalies. Catchers are always. great people to talk to baseball about like Buck Martinez's example. Rhett got to watch all the power plays.

There's a guy that's been soaking it in. Seema works and not. He's not caught in the forest. He can see the trees. Yeah. It's not about what you did on the ice. It's what you observed. Just like the goalies. Like they're watching everything happen. That was Rhett with the power play.

I killed penalties against some of the greatest players to ever play the game of hockey. Yes. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. That's right. who better than you but he's all the rubic's cube of that penguin's power play in the early night like i fished a lot of pucks out of the net on the penalty kill i said you got it

for his job leclair's shot did not go in the net it was through the side not my fault i had my guy the sedans i i saw a lot of really good power you something wrong with my mic how's the mic today, Red? How's the way? There's weird noises coming out. Well, it's because you're, it's, it's dry humping it. If your, if your headphones were louder, you would hear it's that you're, you're doing, this is what it sounds like. Why is it

over moncholine? But I'm not. It's no different than I normally do. I think something's wrong in the, uh, portal region. It's not the cordal region. It's just, how do you know? Because I can hear it. You would turn your volume up, but now when you hold the microphone right to your mouth,

it does distort. It distort. It distorts because... Beesney's new? Let's give him a year, okay? And a year he'll have this all figured out. It's too close. It's too far. No.

I need the headset. No, you don't. Because it sounds terrible. This sounds great. You just be off at just a smidge. Wow. Because that's what you do when you have something... When you have something secretive or important to say, you kind of lean right into it.

And then it overmott... How come yours doesn't do it. He knows where to put his mic. trained professional. It's possible I have somewhat of a different setup than you do. Yeah. Not raining in Strathmore. They're not getting this shit.

What? See, when I said it's kind of spot, you just never know. Oh, did you get, how much of that moisture did you get out there? Oh, we didn't get any moisture. Oh, well, you got about a quarter. What?

Yeah. Should be done seating by the weekend. How about that? crack a homegrown logger in celebration of that, huh? Yeah, for sure, for sure. Maybe a triple B. So Marks of Art out.

I would assume this is a position they're going to fill outside of the, I don't know, I have no intel, I'm just speaking completely out of my hoop. Is Alex Tonge? First name that came, you know. Me too. Is that not a lateral move, fellas?

Or would you make him an associate or what do you think in here? What do you mean? Because he's on Detroit staff, isn't he? Mm-hmm. He's an assistant in Detroit with the Red Wings. It would be lateral, but it would depend. Does he see that there's maybe more of a future with his buddy, Craig, and Jerome?

In Jerome, let you chat. Good buddies. Yeah, Detroit may not, but at the same time, it's an assistant. Yeah, you can easily make an associate and no way you go. You know, yeah. Theoretical upgrade, but that also means you've got to break with the wallet, which they're spending $2 million on Daryl coaching next year. Well, they spent a lot on tangs over the year, too.

You're going to take a discount? Two stints. A couple stints for old Alex. But yeah, I, you know what? Here's the thing. Alex's such a nice guy. It'd be great just having back around. Did someone rockling the title list lid? Because you come down. More positive wives.

I don't know. I just. Who else? Anyone in the minors that's screaming take me? I think there's probably lots of great coaches, but that's what Mark Savard was a year ago. So it's probably not as simple as finding a good that's good at lower levels, right?

Well, and again, it's the same thing as Savard. I would think that Tangay Savard, both powerplay guys when they played would have a strong opinion on how to do it and great insight on how to run a power play. Do you have the personnel? Yeah. And I think what we always looked at, Dino, you pointed to this out numerous times is look at teams with similar personnel. Where are they?

are they 29th, 30th, 31st, 32nd? Like the penguins were down at the bottom with the flames. That screams of bad coaching. They have good personnel. But there are teams with mediocre personnel that have much better power plays. And so can you get more out of this group? I think you can. And I think post All Star Break, you did see more out of this group.

And Kuzmanko is a big part of that because his creativity and, you know, offensive prowess was on display, whereas Lindholm kind of just, it looked very static and stationary with him prior to that. That just that one trade alone helped the personnel side. But like, yeah, I don't know. Is Mark Savard still considered an offensive guru? Is he lost some shine? Probably a little.

Is this like, wow, I can't wait to get my hands on these guys in Calgary job opportunity? Probably not. Well, we know where he's going, correct? We know what this is all about. It's been rumored that he's going to Toronto. So he's going to Toronto. Yeah. He'll be with Barubi in Toronto, I would assume.

I would assume. I would assume. And what's happening. Fat, so it's this. That raise. Yeah. So this isn't. uh, Savard was no good. The flames are parting

ways with him. He would still be here. I would guess, but he wants to go to Toronto and be with Craig. And I'm sick of you making these old langus statements, Pinder. Oh. How can you assume that because we're 30th, we can get, we can be better. Like, that's just ignorant.

Yeah. Ignant. Let's go look at the powerful. Like, where do you get off, man? Where do you? Well, and the gall point. it got on a heater, the final third of the year, to move all the way up into the false hope. Well, Pike said,

the surge to 26. Seventh from the. Well, hey, Savvy, you know what? Good guy. Everybody loves Mark Savard. Great guy. Best of luck wherever you turn up, bud. Best of luck. And say hi to Tree when you get there.

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't get... Kuzmanko. In the Kuzmanko office, right at the side of the net. Now you got to bring him Kizmacko at the deadline. Get that second rounder and a prospector. There you go.

Yeah. Yeah. Mariner's gone. I was going to say once you move Martin, you're going to need a little more creativity. Martner out. Mark Saros in. Savard in. Just do a whole one. Just do it all here. Savard could be the player to be named later. Would it not be so much

fun to have a big mass of mosh pit of movement between like. I hope so. It's a fun threat. Like it's like it's between and not that I'm I'm just saying names. Mark Sherman Anderson and Kuzmenko and Manjapani. Manjapani. Toronto for.

Why Anderson though? What? Can we keep it to you? They need a defenseman. Yeah, also to the flame. Their last year's first rounder, a new first rounder and Marner. Right. People understand because there's a lot of Marner talk in the old rumor mill and

like talking heads like us. they know that Marner is really going to control this whole thing, right? As much as he wants to, yeah. Because he's got the no trade and all of that. If he doesn't want to go anywhere, he doesn't have to. If he gets traded somewhere, he doesn't want to go, he can say,

if he wanted to be the nicest guy on Earth, he might give Triliving a list of like three to five teams, but even that seems very generous from his perspective. And doesn't the agent typically come off as, no, no, no, no. Here's exactly where he'd like to go. This team now has no leverage in negotiations against you. You're going to get a third for them and enjoy your cap space.

I didn't really work for Noah Haniffin. He brought up Tampa Bay and always got to settle for Vegas. Well, he didn't have the full no move. That's the entire difference. That's the full no move. I don't want to go to Boston. I want to go to Pittsburgh. That sort of stuff.

Yeah. And if you say you want to go to both, then maybe get it in writing. And I may have said Boston or I may have said, you know, but I changed my mind. I'm allowed to do that. I may go to Boston eventually. Probably next year even.

I'm supposed to do. Hang up on sooner than you think. Too many hills in Pittsburgh. Too hilly. Is that right? Oh. Because are hills in Pittsburgh? Very hilly. Yes, very hilly. Very hilly. Shitty driving.

Shitty. But it's beautiful. It's beautiful. No one said it wasn't beautiful. It really is, uh, Pindler. I would. No, I've never been. I'm actually fascinated. I have not gone to Philadelphia, Washington, Pittsburgh. there's Baltimore.

Philadelphia is not beautiful. No, but just, you know, people in culture and sports, like there's lots to do there. I'd love to make a trip through there. Yeah,

don't go to feel like. I feel there's got a lot of sports. You know, if you're a history. Boston has history. Boston has great history. Yeah. The tea and the salty sea.

Yeah. And this. Royalty is. Yeah. I had a, I had a pint at whatever it was the, uh, oldest pub in America or whatever it was.

The first pub that started serving ale to whatever the hell it was. Do you remember me trying to order a beer at the bar the first night in Boston? I've never heard of the beer yingling, right? Which is a thing. And then I'd never really in person heard like a Boston bartender accent. And I'm like, what the hell did this guy just say? I yingling. And I'm like, okay.

One more time. And good day to you, sir. Yes, lovely weather. Indeed. I would like some of the bottles of beer that you have, whichever are the coldest. Am I being punked? What is he saying?

Yeah. Hinder, stop making a scene. I'm sorry, I want to know the name of the beer. Yeah. The oldest beer in America, isn't it? Perhaps. So if that's the oldest pub in America, there's got to be an older one,

like somewhere in the East Coast of Canada, Quebec City or something, doesn't there? Am I crazy? I don't know. Why would it be older? I think that's, uh, there's early er. Isn't Boston kind of a touching off point? Yeah, for the US.

Hmm. So there's golf courses and, I don't know, whatever. Yeah. History. History. We are the guys to talk. So much of it. Yeah.

Yeah. We're the ones to do this. You were talking about empty coaching or vacancies. Coaching vacancies. That's correct. There, there's only a few. now. There's only a few left. And there's a few, there's still some, uh, some guys hanging around that would probably like to be a head coach in the national hockey league. Now, San Jose is

one of them. Yep. And so here's some of the top available coaches. We'll talk about the teams, I guess, in a moment. You got Gerard Gallant, right? And by the way, just really quickly, the word available at the top also has Joel Quinville below it. That, maybe needs an asterisk. I think he will at some point, but I don't know that he has yet been cleared slash available. He's available whether or not he's allowed or permitted to coach, I guess. You can go ahead and talk to him. That's great. Galandas would off for a bit now. His last stint was what with the Rangers. The shines kind of come off a little too, hasn't it? A little bit. Like we talked to Frank and he's like, yeah, like he pits himself against people in management. And I don't

know, it's kind of that Ted Nolan thing where it's like, if it's hard on the GM, why would I hire a guy that's hard on me? Three years in Columbus, three years in Florida, three years in Vegas, two years with the Rangers. Made a trip to the cup final, as we know, with the Golden Knights in year one and lost in the semis with the Rangers to Tampa Bay. But it's to your point. I think that the Florida, when he was with Vegas in Florida, it was this guy. He deserves better. The treatment he got and all of that. but somewhere along the way,

it does feel like the Rangers stint where maybe not so much. Dallas Aikins, your buddy, right, down in the bottom right corner. He's me the other day. Did he? All right.

He's looking for, looking for love, looking for work, four years with the Ducks, two years in Edmonton prior to that, eight years, I believe. And I would say that.

I didn't think he did bad with the Ducks, considering what he was. No, I mean, look at that roster. Yeah. Jeff Blaschel,

former Red Wing head coach, Bruce Boudreau, most recently from Vancouver. Long, now John Gruden, U.S. I lost a bit with the NFL there. That's a shame. Yeah, no, this is the wrong guy. Other guy. Wrong. I think both Curtin should be in there then because he's a leader of men.

That's right. U.S. national development team back to 2014 U18 Golds, that OHL, with the Hamilton Bulldogs, an O HL champ with the Hamilton Bulldogs retro. He was also, I read this morning, because I wanted to go through this, says, who are some of these guys? He was the Flint Firebirds coach. I don't know, anything like just whatever,

but then it rang a bell. The owner of the team. Yeah, this was a. Fired John Gruden because he felt like his son wasn't getting enough ice time. Son up. Yeah. My boy.

Just another rational. Lucky dad. I don't see any problems here, fellas. Yeah. My, my son deserves some more ice time, John Gruden. And John, you know what he's got? He's got scruples because he said, no chance. I'm with the owner. I watched my kid play the other day.

No power play. No, this Spano guy is drunken out to lunch. Yeah. It's hard to find good coaches. It really is. And volunteering, too. What's that? Go back to that list.

Yeah. So you start with the sharks, Dino. That's what you'd mention. There's two other vacancies, right? We know that. Is the sharks not a good reset spot for Jay Woodcroft, who I think people thought, yeah, that's probably a good coach, that had a really good roster and didn't get saves for two months and was fired?

Didn't I read, and I'll Google. I thought I read Marco Sturm or somebody, former shark buddy with Greerzy. One Olympic medal of some sort, didn't he? Yeah. Well, he did. Well, they went in Chongqing. They got a silver bronze, didn't they? The Germans, yeah.

Sharks received permission to interview Marco Stern for head coaching job. He of the Kings, apparently. So that might be, feels like there's something there with that one. Yeah. But more on, just on Gruden, so he, what the story was, the owner said, my kid needs more time. My kid, deserves. more ice time. He said, no, he doesn't. He doesn't. He fired. And then all the players came in and they did the old Rudy thing. Here's my jersey. Here's my jersey. He's fired. So they,

uh, we're fired behind the coach. So they had to keep him. They, he stuck around and then got fired later for yeah. Yeah. Still didn't play the owners. Yeah. But was a assistant with the Islanders and Bruins and is the Marley's head coach. David Carl was on that list. Four, six years, actually. University of Denver, a couple of Frozen Four championships in there. Titles, baby. And Todd Nelson.

Todd. Yeah, former Euler. Euler, he replaced, I couldn't remember who it was. He actually, it was Dallas Akins who got fired. And then Todd Nelson came in on an interim basis. That was in 14. And he's been coached in a long time, won the Calder Cup last year in Hershey,

a Calder Cup championship in Grand Rapids. Yeah. And what are they, they're still playing, right? What are the HL? It feels like this San Jose job is a job to get and lose when they get good. So you know,

yeah, just kind of bridge the gap. Yeah, I think it's like Marty St. Louis. It's like you arrive too early. Now you're hurting their draft stock and when they are actually good,

you'll be in your four and they'll be ready to move on. Like you're one cycle too early, Marty. Would Jay Woodcroft be in that category? of, well, you're talking about a player, we're talking about a coach,

a coach that comes in when the team's just okay. Marty's coach in the Habs is I'm talking about. Oh, okay, I'm sorry, I thought you meant, no,

no, like, I just think, yeah, like, like, it's, it's not the next tire

that's going to get to see the sharks and they're good. It's the one after that. Yeah. But also it's like, do you like make a $2 million bucks a year? Do you want to coach in the NHL and put that on your resume?

And like, do you want to keep your name in the, you can't really disappear for five years and come back with I can tell you there's probably a guy sniffing around that I played with also coached in Hamilton won an OHL and played with

Mr. Greer. Do you play with Greer? Yeah, of course he did. Yeah, wow. I forgot about Greer with the Buffet slugger, the, no, the goathead. Yeah, I did too, actually.

He was a saber. Jay McKee is who you're referencing. I profile. I don't know if he's on a, I don't know how you came up at the list, but I would think that he's reached out at least. Yeah, it would be, I would guess if you're a coach anywhere but the NHL, even if you're an assistant in an NHL bench,

I would take that job. Yeah, I would. There's a lot of NHL assistants who, and it was actually Dragoe that brought it up. Yeah. A lot of guys. 20 guys that have been heads before. Yeah, NHL experience that are on the old bencheroo there.

Anyway, that's, I mean, whatever. So Shelton and Shelton Keith. Has been, he was not away long. No. That was a tight turn for Sheldon Keefe. He lands in New Jersey, who went from Lindy Ruff to we thought Travis Green to not Travis Green to, uh, Sheldon Keith. It's a hell of record in the regular season.

It's really not bad. You don't have to, and it's like, we don't need to look at the playoff one. We know how it went. But like, look at the regular season. That's, that's fucking tidy. Five years. Five playoff appearances. Not a lot of playoff wins.

But the regular season, that's pristine, 212, 97, and 40. Basically got like 500 points there. That's pretty good. Yeah. So you mentioned the Sharks opening. You want to mention the other two openings? I do.

You know what? I'd like you to do it. Okay. So Seattle and Winnipeg are the others. It seemed like Winnipeg, Scott Arneal's a guy that they really, like. And so if it's not Scarter Neal, that'll be a surprise. They did talk to

Barubei. But Rhett said it was a 0% chance he'd go to Winnipeg, right? You did not go to Winnipeg. And then, yeah, like Seattle's interesting. They got rid of hacks a while ago. Exit meetings, basically, right? It is interesting what's going on there. They're not young.

They're not really good. Shane Wright's not a star. They're not bad. But they got lots of dough. What are you? They do have a lot of dough. Yeah, it's a brand new rank. I mean, the city's wonderful. Yeah, right, it's

Ronnie Francis. I would feel like a very attractive spot to be in. But yeah. And Drew Bannister is the guy in St. Louis, correct? He was an interim that they reaped. Yeah.

Good. All right. Yeah, rough to Buffalo, Bannister in St. Louis, green in Ottawa, Hiller in L.A., baroubeta, Toronto, Keith to New Jersey, sharks, cracking, jets. left. Shacks. Well, these coaches,

I mean, it's the musical chairs. You best be on your toes because it's going to be all filled up. Now, did you see the Hitman made their higher? I guess they'll make it official. Could you make it official here? Paul McFarland, a very high profile up-and-coming coach

for the last little while has landed as the new bench boss of the of the Calgary Hitman, which I think it'll be an exciting time in Hitman land. They've got some really high prospects. Carter Yakumchuk's going to go in the top 15 in this draft. They've got another couple of guys that should go in the top few rounds. And they also will have a new building in three years. I have to be here then. Yeah, you love the building. Now,

Houdis? Well, assistant with Seattle the last three years. So I don't know if he got run with Haxdale or if he was just left swinging in the wind because when you bring in a new head coach, they kind of want to bring their guys. Prior to that, he was on the Leafs bench. Prior to that, two years with Bob Boogner and Florida. That was, and then before that, a very popular OHL coach in Kingston. There you go. Well traveled, well regarded.

And it's been in some pretty interesting spots. Yes, he was also, Paul McFarland announced would not return to the Cracken along with the hackstall firing. So it was a fell swoop. Again, makes sense. You're going to bring in a head.

He's going to want his guys. Well, Rhett, we keep pumping your tires you got to get feels like this was a real opportunity like a how can i say i'm actually i'm actually serious in this all right so the vancouver series yeah talk it adam foot who's obviously footy classic nchel great stars yeah how many cups did foot win two couple i think so and i lost three. If I'd have won one, I could get a job. If I'd have

won all three, I'd be a frickin' Joel Quentin. Well, I don't want to be Joe. Think of how big a dick you would be then. Oh my God. I was looking at it. I'm like, I could walk in and just put my rings on and just do this. Do you want me or not? Yeah. Like, that's right. Well, to be fair, like he was, what, a head coach in the Western League for two years as well, Red? Foot? Like, yes, the

that helps but he's been coaching that's been his full-time job right yeah he coached his kid in the western league but again he's coaching in the western league i think that i think it's not so much what foot i think i was just one guy that he brought up it's the it's more about red because if it if if it's to your point hey three cups it's not and it's not even about me it's actually about those facts rick talking if you win if you actually if you win and you can know i won i have to go in and say no i lost oh well that's not the same Send your kid to the dub, coach him for a couple of years and get her going. Come on now.

I won two Wales conference trophies and one Campbell conference trophy. True. Did you touch him or not touch him? I don't remember. You touched in 04. Iggy, what are you doing? It cares. It makes no difference.

And I'm not belittling either side of it. But it is very, there's huge stock in it. Frickin Kipper makes a save. Shelly puts it in the back of the net. Listen. The league doesn't screw me over a hole. Jesus. You're the victim here.

It's true. Three cups at three stages of your career with three different teams, it's hard to deny that the narrative would maybe be a little different. Or that people would know who you are at all. That's other part. of it too. Yeah. Tell you,

you just had some fucking goaltending, that's in any of those stops. You could get a little bit of help in that shots. Yeah. If only you had Bobrovsky. Well,

why don't you start small? Why don't you start Power Play Coach for the Flames? I already put it out there. Okay. Yeah. Do we want to do the Pinder report? Yep.

Whatever you want, buddy. When are we getting the dregs? 11. 11. Perfect. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. Well,

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All right. Let's start with the news we started with. Mark Savard and the Calgary Flames. Harding ways. Over, Grover. I know. Yeah. You sure was here for a year.

I had wings with them. Marks of hard. I don't have them at all. I mean, I just. You went for wings with Marks of words? Yes. Where? Yes.

Where did we go? We went to the anchor bar. Was it good? It was good. Yeah. Wings did. the ordering for everybody. What do you have?

Like, is he like spicy? Well, there was 20 of us and we saw it's buckets of wings. Yeah. These guys were going to, these guys were trying to be

rinky dink about it. I'm like, no. I'll get one pound of this. No, we're getting like a barrel of hot. A barrel of medium. A barrel of,

I'm sorry. Did you say barrel? It's Buffalo. That's right. Damn. Barrel of wings. I'm starving. How much,

offensive prowess rubbed off on you just from they had a big win against them they beat the sabers in buffalo last who didn't that actually is one of the teams of the worst power play in the flames and that's not ideal given that they actually have you know titch thompson rasmustalline and numerous others skinner cousin's scored big go yeah yeah not ideal all right we'll move um well first off we're bearing the lead here happy anniversary guys. A happy anniversary. Craig Conrad. Ha! One year ago today. That of boy, Connie. Smiling. Okay, look at his hair.

Let's get a picture of him today. Yeah, boss, drop the live camera from... What are you saying? I'm saying there's presidents. You age double-dum. If you look at Obama's inauguration to his departure, a different look. Well, I know Biden looks plenty old. I don't know if it's the presidency or if it's just father time,

but you're right. Trump's skin was still orange. He didn't change in his. Yeah, a year, man. That's a lot of heavy lifting done already. That was a big year. You're right. He got more business done than a lot of GMs would do in five years.

Yeah. And I think, you know, that's the spot he was put in. He had to in a lot of ways. And he's certainly not done with more pending UFAs and a franchise-type goalie. that doesn't really match up their timelines for success. Like that there's lots of work to do. What do you do with Sheringovich?

What do you do with Kuzmico? What do you do with Manjupani? What do you do with Markstrom? Lots to do. What do you do with your two picks in the first round rat? When do you announce Jerome McGillow as assistant GM before or after you draft a son? Assistant GM. That's the natural movie.

Special assistant to the GM. That's what Connie was. Then you go right to AGM. What's the stop in the middle? I don't think there is one. I don't either. I think it's the ring road. I think you just go all the way around right to the old.

I'm the president of hockey operations. Oh, hi, Craig. Do you want to do that? Could you just move a little side? I'm just, my office is just up here. Craig,

I got a big meeting at noon. Could you just take care of this for me? If you could just. Speaking of former flames, Corey Stillman, he got a job, Brett. What did he win? I think you won the cup actually.

It's a good point. Actually, I think you won two. There is Guel Storm. Another pipe bomb for you. Deal with it. Tampa, Carolina. He actually was a very good player. He was drafted in a time where that meant that if the flame said your name at the podium,

you would turn into dust or explode on the spot, but he actually was a very good player. Well, congrats, Corey. Sorry. Way to go. Do the viewers know that? Stillman's Cup I think they do

if you could just move on that'd be good probably just we've already talked about his losses today it's going to ruin things here fast last night

what did we see game one of round three right I hope you pick the Panthers I know you pick the Panthers you pick the Panthers they shut out the blue shirts on Broadway

Kachuk an early goal controversial no goal call and then two more. It was curtains on Broadway. It was a lackluster effort from the Rangier. Okay. Or together, they said post game, which I would agree with. I totally agree.

And I agree with our take on the game seven. But other people, Frank, argued that it was very exciting. Are we just far enough away that we don't give a shit and nothing's exciting? Or are we pretty dialed it? No, we're very smart. Just that one else is wrong. But no, I think that once again, we are on the side of the consensus where the Rangers looked.

I'm not overwhelmed, but the Panthers took it to them. The first shift, second shift, third shit, bang, bang, bang, bang, and it just. 10 shots after two or something like that? Yeah, they. Not enough. They had some power plays with a chance to tie it and didn't really. Now, Lefrenia, I'm looking at La Frenia, they don't have a mark down. for a goal here, but I could have sworn that he put one in the net last night.

Did he not? I'm seeing three nothing is the final. So that would be tough to, here we go. It's a great touch, though. Oh. And honestly, he's taking heat here. There is no more idiotic puck play than the one Igor Shus Durkin does. There's three guys in the zone.

One is a panther, and he plays it right to that person. The only spot in the zone not to put the puck, he puts it right there. Yeah. I'm with Pinder. As soon as he's a, it's, what are you doing? Where are you going? Just, where are we putting this puck?

Anywhere else. And your defenseman was getting there anyway. Yeah. Anywhere else. Your D-Man was getting there. Yeah, stay in your net or stay in your net. And then if not, you can, you can see the full ice surface from there, right? That defenseman that's right there, just, just touch it to him.

Just pass it to, don't, oh, or pass it to the other guy. Yeah, hit that Honda sign. Village Honda, go get it. And then. I know you're excited about the original. Come on now. Kind of lost his net there. It was not a pretty sequence for sure.

They'll be better. They are better. You know what it did? It kind of, it kind of, uh, encapsulate typify. It's kind of an emblematic of their, uh, of their performance last night. Typify. Tipify. Tickle feathers.

And even had a, uh, a goal called back. Did note that. Yes. Tonight. to the Western Congress, we go. Ah, here we go. Big D. Not Daryl Sutter, but Dallas. There are the captains, McDavid and Ben.

I know who I'd take in a street fight. I also know who I'd like to break away. Yeah. It's 6.30 start for all the whiners in the Eastern time zone. That's not you, right? You don't whine about it. I don't whine. I'm a night owl.

Well, it's too early now. I haven't put my kid to bed. Stop, you're whining. Watch the game. It's going to be a good one. You know what else? sucks. It's when the sun stays up so long. Does that suck?

Hate it. Like how long? Like 2 a.m.? How long is the sun staying up? Well, it's staying up too long because I'm trying to yell at my kids to go to bed and they're like, Oh, I see. Idiot. Still bright out. Still bright out. What are you talking about? Just need more respect in this house. Well, and I just want everyone to know that we'll be pulling for Canada's team tonight. Damn right. Third stringer Matt Murray, backup Scott Wedgwood. Also, be remiss to not make.

mention Alex Petrovic and of course Christopher Tannave Jamie Ben, Maverick Bork, Tide Dillandria, Matt Dushane. Wyatt. Wyatt Johnson. What? Mason Marchment. Jason Robertson, Tyler Sagan, Logan Stancovin, and Sam Steele. The Dallas team, deep in the heart of Texas. I've seen the Sam Steele days and they are wonderful, wonderful, just wonderful.

And here's the thing, Edmontonians, if you're not sure who to cheer for, I think that third stringer Matt Murray would bring the cup back to Edmonton, as would Alex Petrovac, who's from Edmonton. So bring the cup back to Canada, go stars. Let's go. Petit was a rebel, maybe. I believe he wants. That sounds right.

I can fact check that for you, if you'd like. I believe it was a rebel. I think if you know that, you don't believe, you know it to be true. He knows it. He's a red deer rebel. He's a vault. Five years. How are we?

Yeah, him and his buddy Ward him. They sit around reminiscent of a great rebels. And then the Panthers protected him and didn't protect Riley Smith and Jonathan Marshall. Yeah. Who's in the semifinals now? Yeah, that's right. Not that GM. Let's keep moving.

We had Coach of the Year announced yesterday. And this was pretty much wrapped up in November when the Canucks got off to an incredibly strong start. And Rick Tockeet transformed the culture of the Connoll. not close. He, in a landslide victory, wins the Jack Adams Award. Congrats on your firing next year, Rick. I can't.

I hope you make it to Christmas, Mr. Toggett. Do we, no, we've talked about the President's trophy as a curse, kind of like half-jokingly. Do we feel the same way about the Jack Adams trophy? Well, the problem of the guys got runs. You're going to get shift canned eventually anyway. That is true. Yeah.

Just kind of like the present store. I was like, well, you know, you're probably going to lose. And again, if you set the standards to, like, it would be shocked if Vancouver doesn't win the division, actually. Not at all. Yeah. So you're taking the division. The hell's wrong with you, Tocke?

Your team's going the wrong way. Just for refreshment's sake. Darrell Sutter won two years ago. He gone. Four years ago, Bruce Cassidy, he gone. Barry Trots of the Islanders. He gone. Gerard Gallant, Golden Knights.

He gone. Tortorale. Yeah, like it's... Like, do you mean the next season they were fired? No, within a couple of years. Well, yeah, everybody gets fired. But the flames did it with Hartley, too. He was the reigning Jack Adams trophy winner when he was fired.

Gibbon Sutter. You want to win? He ho. Jim Montgomery, we've put Tim on the hot seat for a bit, too. If he loses that game seven to Toronto, he could have been gunned the year after. Crazy. Crazy. Or just win the next year is a, well. Good luck.

Don't stink the following season. We noted it. Check around. Sheldon keeps off to the Devils. That takes the Toronto Maple Leafs, the mom and pop shop that it is, off the hook for the two-year extension that was set to kick in next fall, as noted by

Pierre Lebrun, given that he's working now and it starts immediately. He's going to be making more on this new deal in Jersey than he was on his extension in Toronto. And you knew it was a when he had the jersey jersey jersey hat hat on right although uh that may be a i i can't confirm he was back on that same boat with the same weather looks nice though if he's still there then why aren't you still there why you coach it you're two years at like a couple million bucks men

he's got the fire i know how much do you hate your kids and your family i know i'm going to take some time and be with my family leaves nation and uh you know i've been really busy and expensive. I got to get no job. I can't stand this shit. You know, I can't 10% to change here. Oh, that's a long week. These kids are exhausting. Exactly. 10 days later, he's got a gig. It's not bad. Yeah.

I mean, horrible or not bad. Depends. I'm just going to spend some time with my family. They've sacrificed a lot for me. Hello? And so the amount of time that they sacrificed you was equivalent to in your, seven work days. Okay. Got it. Tell your agency, don't call me. Just take whatever it comes up. I don't want to be bothered.

I'm with the kids. Don't even ask who it is. Say yes. They'll call us back and tell us what he deals. Sheldon, what is going on in the background? Is there, like, is there some gang violence going on in the background? Get me out of here. Please.

We're into the final four, which means it's time for the NHL to determine who the top GMs are. That's true. On time. I actually don't mind the list this year. Bill Zito's done an incredible job taking over from Dale Tallinn and building this into a powerhouse in Florida.

Jim Nill has been one of the best draft and developed general managers since ever. And Patrick Calvine turned a team that, well, had made the playoffs in the bubble once and that was it over what, eight, nine years with Trev and Jimbo, to a team that won their division and finished second in the Weston points. I'm correct.

You got to go with Jim. Look at his hair. I was going to say it's some Alberta Blonde. Follicular challenge gentleman there. And what a stash. Hey, Jim Nill, I'll tell you what, from the time he was a Winnipeg jet, all those years

in Detroit now in Dallas, rocking it. Rocking that stash. Rocking it. Do you think Dregs ever had a stash? You know, he for sure had a mullet at some point. I would say at some point, whether it was just a stag

or a summer vacation or he's had to rock the stash at some point they ever have uh have one of those there dregs a luscious stash not just a little duster boomer no no no um i shouldn't admit this publicly it doesn't really matter this was the first year i didn't participate in november and just a variety of reasons it doesn't matter anyway for about three years and i i went with different options you know the One year I had the big. The train conductor one? Yeah, just about, you know, it was close.

My issue isn't the mustache. I can grow a healthy mustache. It's the beard. Like, I'm looking at you guys. I got, like, I would have, I'd look like a cat that's been left outside for too long, you know, missing patches of hair. That's like Kachuk, right? That's got that wolverine kind of thing going on. Yes.

Exactly. But no, you know what? When push comes to shove, I can grow a mustache. Yeah. Out of boy. How to boy. Well, we were just talking about Sheldon Teef and his press conference from the doc where he was talking about the time he was going to spend with his family.

It was they deserved him to be around a little bit more. So eight days later, he served a sentence and he's back in the NHL. Not really shocked or are we a little surprised at how quickly it turned around? A little surprised. I think that's the appropriate way to describe it because you're right. We all watched that video message. And, you know, look, every NHL head coach sacrifices an immense amount of family time. Anyone associated with an NHL club players included, right?

I mean, that's just part of the gig. And this also isn't unusual. Look at the pictures of Sheldon when he first became head coach for the Toronto Maple Leafs and then check him out now. Like, unless there's been this metamorphosis in the last eight days, I mean, this guy aged hard. You know, Todd McCullen, we've seen it before, right? It's like Barack Obama. When he left office, he looked like he was 110, you know.

So it's a stressful gig. And, you know, you coach in a Canadian market, and I think that the stress level is just that much more significant. And in Toronto, by volume of media, it just gets amplified. So a little bit surprised, but not entirely surprised because of the opportunity here. You know, I'm sure that part of the sales pitch to Keith, from Tom Fitzgerald would be, look, I can see the holes in this roster. I know that we've got to do something on the goaltending front. I'd like to bolster this.

I'd like to do that. You know, we're going to do that. But then you look at the rest of the roster and the obvious star status of some of their youth players and whatnot. And that might have been enough. That might have been enough. Maybe Sheldon's wife went to him and said, hey, look, man, I can appreciate having you around more than I'm used to. Maybe there are parts of that I don't love the other. idea of.

But, you know, you're going to push away from an opportunity that basically, well, certainly all of the coaches out there, unemployed coaches out there with NHL experience, would have done back clips to get. So I think that's all part of it. So you say, goaltending with, sorry, you know. I was just going to say maybe potentially the hard years have been served there, that there could be some turnaround. Yeah.

I mean, like every team, right, they need, you know, the hockey guys. to smile down a little bit. They ran into health issues last year. That seems to be something that trends around the New Jersey Devils. I mean, I had them as a playoff worthy team going into the year. I did. I thought that based on the previous year, they've made some strides. You've got the Hughes of Fack, Nico Heeshireman, go down the list, right?

Of all the pieces that you can build with there. And it just didn't materialize for a variety of reasons. And we spent a lot of time talking about their goaltending blunders. And look, if Tom Fitzgerald could take a mulligan, he'd rewind back to last off season when he'd engage with Kevin Shevalleyoff trying to potentially acquire Connor Hellebuck. And Chevy will never show his hand on this publicly. It wasn't even close. And I'm not blaming Fitzgerald and the Devils. I'm just saying across the board, no one offered Winnipeg anything even remotely close to what they would consider worthy of a trade conference.

conversation. Well, if you're the devils, you're probably going, now we don't know what that package would have looked like, right? It might have stripped New Jersey of one of those young pieces, certainly not when they're top young guys, but one of the younger pieces that Fitsy didn't want to give up on. But he's going to have to present assets now because that's a huge area of concern. But I do like the team. I think that they're going to make a jump this year. Yeah, well, they came back from two O against the Rangers last year. That was felt like the arrival of the devils and they didn't get saves this year. So they get close. on a deal with Marks,erman Calgary, it doesn't happen.

They do go get Jake Allen, which I don't know if that solves or is a band-aid or as part of a solution. Where do you see them? Like, does Jake Allen solve the problem? Because if he didn't, why did you trade for him? It's a good question, especially based on the time of that trade, right? Like, they were already in the thick of it at that stage. And, you know, Jake Allen, for me, is a terrific 1A, at worst a 1B. but that's where he's perfectly slotted.

You know, for him to come in and take on the shoulder load of what a top level backup in the National Hockey League is capable and needs to do, yeah, I think he can do that. But to give him more than that, I think that's where you're starting to play with fire at this stage of his career. You look at his resume, his history, and that's the appealing part. And on top of all that, he's a great guy. So he helped here dressing him. So he's not the solution. He's in part part of that. Look, I think the Calgary Flames, and it's all in Jacob Markstrom's court here,

I think now it's going to be very intriguing to see what happens with Markstrom. Because I think for sure Fitzgerald is going to circle back on that conversation. They felt they had a deal close, if not done. They thought it was right there. They really did. What about the Toronto Maple Leafs? I mean, you know, the history of tree living. Does Markstrom have any interest in diving into at times a cesspool, which Toronto can beat?

Don't know. You know, and they've got an up-and-comer and Joseph Wolfe. But there are two teams and there'll be a lot more than those two teams. Ottawa has to do something. I mean, go down the list. L.A., Detroit, Carolina. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it all takes is one of these guys to move.

And you guys probably saw the Lina S. Allmark media availability at the end of the Boston Bruins playoff around the Florida. He didn't sound like a guy to me that was eager to reconsider a change of address in the offseason. What he talked about is the fact that he's got one year remaining on his contract. That's what he talked about. And he talked about how good the team is in Boston, how close they were, all they came together and all of that stuff. So he snuffed his nose at the Los Angeles Kings just prior to the trade deadline. Who's to say that Linus Allmark is going to go happily to one of the clubs that we've just talked about?

It may not happen. So back to Markstrom, back to the flames and devils. Do we know what the principal pieces were? Do we, as time has passed as the dust has settled, have we figured out what the stall was and what kind of assets, would it take to acquire Jacob Markstrom now, not at, you know, February. Yeah, and I don't know, or at least I don't know firm enough that I would, I would suggest it publicly.

But we know because this story has been told, and I think we've talked about it here on the segment, You know, Markstrom thought he was going to New Jersey. He said, yeah, I'll go to New Jersey. Like, make the deal happen. And then all of a sudden, the deal didn't happen. Yeah, there's been a suspicion that ownership got involved in Galvary and just said, we just can't throw in the towel here, guys.

You know, we're still a competitive team, even though, yeah, we're moving some principal pieces out. If we move, Markstrom, the season is over. Our quest to try and push for the playoffs post-trade deadline is done. done. It's over. So was that enough to nullify? Could have been, might have been, but we know that there was a level of angst from Markstrom in his camp when a deal they thought was going down, agreed that they would go with it, then didn't happen. I mean, that put the player in his family in a real tough situation. It's one of those things when you get to the summer. There's the team's perspective changes, the potential trading partner, that changes. And then on the players,

behalf, you wonder, do you take the start? I'm just happy where I'm at. I don't want to go. Or is that an easier time to wrap your head around a change? We'll start fresh. We can go wherever it is right now and find a place. We can do this together as a family. It just kind of did. It felt like Markstrom had maybe played his final game in Calgary. Sure.

And like you say, there's teams that could desperately use him with two years left on his contract. Are we done on Markstrom? I was just going to pivot to something else. If I may. Yeah. So we've talked a lot about Mitch Marner and how he controls the whole process in Toronto. And like Trilling just might be screwed.

Yeah. Yeah. It's the exact same thing with Markstrom. Sure. As much as we might in the market, not view it that way, isn't it? Yeah. Full moment. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's very, very similar. I guess the only dissimilar element to it is the fact that Marksum, as we've discussed, has already been down that road. Yeah. And he was willing to move at one point. And Dean, just to follow up on your, point here, you know, when you make that decision as a family, that doesn't go away, right?

So you've already resigned your fact to the change. So I would think that, hey, maybe he's more selective. Maybe you looked at the New Jersey Devils and has had time to digest and isn't as thrilled to go to New Jersey as maybe it was at the deadline. We're going to find that out. Maybe there's another destination of the teams that we've already discussed that we know need goaltending. Maybe there's a team that, you know, what a Vegas steps up? Because their goaltending kind of and it goes all over the map. Yeah. You know, I mean, how do we know?

Maybe there's another team that steps up here. If only Vegas would take a big swing once in a while. Yeah, that's not like McCremant and get the fee to do that. But, yeah, Marner is different in the sense that he's never had to address this with the Toronto Maple Leafs. And unless there's a change of direction here, and this isn't direct from, from Warner. This is the history of Darren Ferris, who represents Mitch Meyerner. When he's got. players like this, top end town, going into the final year of their contract, he marches

them right to the line of unrestricted free agency. That's, why wouldn't you? You know, people say, well, you know, the heat is going to get too much for Mitch, please. I mean, he's grown up in Toronto his entire life. In the last couple, three years, this kid has taken nothing but heat in the playoffs. And a lot of that is deserved, frankly, it is. I mean, he's a huge moneymaker. He hasn't delivered in the playoffs. He has to accept that side of responsibility. But he's also not scrolling through social media and paying attention with guys like us are talking about.

Maybe the agent is. He'll go, I think, if it's the perfect scenario, the absolute perfect scenario. And that'll be a tax-friendly state. You know, is it a sign in trade so that he gets all of it, right? Possibly. He can win, right? Yeah, and a place he can win. Well, you can name on.

That's why it's so interesting. I mean, look, we also have a soundbite from Barry Trots earlier in the week, the general manager of the Preds. And I thought he handled the question well. Most managers would just say he's under contract with another team. I can't talk about it. I mean, there's nothing to discuss. You know, he meandered through it.

But that would actually make some sense, doesn't it? You know, Nashville has a goaltender coming, a superstar in the American League. They've got UC Saros, who's got another year left on his deal. Toronto needs a goaltender. I mean, if you could somehow, some way convince the minor camp that Nashville is a team that, you know, not only can utilize his services, but is in that grouping of teams that could potentially win, wow, that ticks a lot of boxes. but I deal with that group pretty closely,

a couple of times minimum a week, and I don't get the sense that the minor camp has any interest in waiving. Now, again, just to bring you fully up to date on the process, Trilliving would tell you that they haven't engaged. You know, he's not having conversations with general managers about the potential of trading Mitch Miner yet. But come on, they're in pro meetings this week. You know, behind the boardroom door,

that conversation is in kind of course it's coming up draft is a month away like yeah and they got a tap answer around this right you don't want to offend your player by asking but the agent doesn't want to seem like they're keen to leave like this is a bit of poker isn't it it is you know and again they need goaltending they need a top two three defensemen and they've got two guys that they'd like to keep it i'm not sure they're going to be able to and max golemy and tider bertusie so there's only so many Easton Cowans out there that you can stick on your third and fourth line as entry level contracts to comply with the salary cap. So yeah, it's going to be fascinating stuff.

Vancouver. It was a heck of a season. I don't know. I don't recall where I thought they would be, but I don't know that I had them winning around and getting to where they did. No. We're obviously kind of intrigued here in Calgary now to see what the destination and what the summer will hold for Elias Lindholm and Nikita Zadorov.

It feels like Zob. Zedorov did himself, did himself very well this season. He was very good in Vancouver, and it seems like his value, he's up to his value. I don't feel the same way about Lindholm. When a team is looking at Elias Lindholm, and I want your thoughts on Zedorov as well, because we talked, I guess about it yesterday, we talked about all the time, but he's not really a number one, he's a number two. And he's good defensively, but he's not a Selky guy.

And he's scored some goals, but he's not a pure goal score. It's an interesting situation with Lindholm for sure. Correct. But has his financial stock dropped that much? Don't know. We're going to find out on the open market. I don't think it has because centers of his capability in terms of everything that he can do and he's playing well or hard to find.

You either graft them or you trade for them and you sign them immediately. no different than top defense or goalies, right? So I do think that he has outpriced himself in terms of what the Vancouver Canucks are capable of. But I think he's going to get paid. And maybe not have been as much as the Calgary Flames were willing to give him to extend back in the day. But he's still going to get paid. But what we know is that that Canucks team is going to look a lot different in training camp than the team that we just saw losing game seven to the Edmonton honors. I mean, you talk about Lindome.

They've got Dakota Joshua, who I thought had a really good season. He seemed relatively quiet in the round against the oiters. But I think that the way he approaches the game and the game that he can play ticks a lot of boxes for Rick Tock and the coaching staff there. So maybe they put a higher value on him. And then you look at the trees on the back end, right? You know, what's Sadoroff going to get? I know it's been speculated that he wants, what, somewhere in the 36-milled range, like six-time. six, something like that. That's a stretch for me because even though the player thinks he's a,

you know, a two, three, worse case four, and he played well. He did. He played well on a lot of teams that have any sort of defensive depth. He's probably a third pairing guy, right? He's a five guy who can maybe slide up a notch. And then you've got Tyler Myers. You know, what do you do with him? I don't know, and I'll find out. But, you know, Myers, he hasn't moved around a round a lot. a lot, but it feels like going through the adversity that he had to go through in Vancouver to get to a place where they protected him well, and he was able to kind of find his game again in Vancouver, again, under the tutelage of that coaching stuff. Like, Adam Foote did real good things for that defensive core, and certainly for Tyler Myers.

You know, what if what if he doesn't want to move around because his family is set and he just says, you know what? It's a bunch of money. He's got a ton of money. you know, like give me a three-year deal at whatever that number is and let's just make this work. Anyway, my point is there's a lot of decisions that have to be made that are going to be made that will make that Vancouver team a lot different going in the next season. What we don't know is how much better are they going to be? You know, you lose a couple, three of those guys, it gets a little dicey.

So let's go back to Lindholm real quick. It was sort of thought here on a max term deal, which would be eight years in Calgary. he would have wanted something that was high eights or even potentially as high as a nine. And if you look back to two years ago, he centered the best line in hockey, he scored 40 goals, you could say, yeah,

that's what those guys cost at minimum. Then you see two seasons ago, not as good. Last year, very flat in Calgary, very low offensive numbers. Now you're painting them as the number two center, not centering the top line in hockey. If he was asking for something to start with a nine,

like what is a realistic July 1 Elias Lindholm offer look like. Does he get full term? Does he start with a six if he, does it have to be a lower number if he gets full term? I think he's left tens of millions on the table here versus his ask. Yeah.

I don't think it's tens, but I think to get to the bigger number he's going to have to go max term. Because of everything that you just said. What's the player you're getting here? Are you investing that top level center? and if you're not convinced that's what he is and I'm not convinced that's what he is, then you've got to spread out the amount that you're going to have to pay him to take him out of the market on a max term.

I don't think you get around that. I feel like it's going to start with an eight. Really? I do. Still. I do. Wow. I mean, I could be flat or wrong.

I haven't done it. I mean, we'll get into that phase here in the days ahead. moving forward, where, you know, you do start to take stock and you listen to the agents, you listen to the managers, and then somewhere in the middle is the truth. You know, the expected value. We're not there yet, but I'd be surprised if it is an eight or close to eight, if you're talking about a seven-year term. It's one of those things, too, the GMs.

They get tired of rather quickly, and that's bad goaltending and no depth down the middle. And if you look at a guy that's available like Lindholm, if it costs you, a little bit more, but you can solidify yourself. Hey, Lindholm, he's not a number one. He's a good player. He's a good player. He's a good player. He's in his prime. And I don't know that he's a guy that tracks towards being slow and clunky near the end of the long term deal. It's never great near the end of them. But if you're a GM that you just, we need a center. He's not a malcontent. He's in good shape. He plays both ends. Pay him. Yeah, that's exactly the way I feel. And look, if you're Vancouver, you'd love to keep them.

Because you need, you know, J.T. Miller is their number one. Pedersen is their number two. They need those two centers to play on different lines. You can't have Pedersen and J.T. Miller playing on the same. Like, you know, it just kind of breaks up what you've got in your top nine. So, but Lindholm isn't, you know, even though I think he might be okay with playing third line center. You're not paying third line center seven and a half, eight, eight, half million dollars per year. You're just not doing that.

Zadora, six times six, boy. I don't know. That's just what I've heard and speculative. And just to remind everyone, refresh everyone where this all started, the year, Eric Good Branson was a UFA, so was Nikita Zadora. And the thought was maybe you could keep Good Branson and But Zodorov was asking for the moon. Well, the market was there for Good Branson. I don't know that anyone wouldn't take that receipt back and get the exchange at this point,

but there wasn't for Zadora. He wanted more than he was offered. The market dried up. People went and got the D. And he settled on a lower term, lower money deal with the flames. Yeah. If he's aiming for six times six, I think the same thing's going to happen.

But if it's five times five, I think there's some suitors. Like that's, I think he'll get it. And the one thing that, you know, comparing him to Grimson, sure,

but he does have the ability to elevate a game. He was good in that series. I don't think Eric could, or Erica Branson is a good player, but Erica Branson is just Erica Branson. I think Zadorov can look like shit. Yeah. But Zadorov can also impact play.

He was good. Yeah. And so the difference from two years ago is that the GM said Good Branson was worth more. You got offered more, more term, more money, more everything. Now I think, to your point, Rhett, Zadourov's showing off that ceiling. All those tools we've seen forever, finally starting to get put in the right spots where it's like, you know that you don't need to rush the puck every single shift. Like the roller coaster may be a little less wild as the two years ago. Yeah, I think he needs a certain coach, too, though, right?

And I'm not saying that he's a hard player to coach. He just has an abundance of confidence. Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with that. But, you know, you also have to accept the reality every once in a while. And if you've got a coach that can manage that or a manager who can manage that, because, you know, when you're signing these guys to five, six-year terms or longer, there's a comfort that comes with that, too.

So now you combine a comfort level with an abundance of confidence. And that may not always work so well for the coach or the general manager. Zedorov has, he's got a lot of stock in the Zadorov business. He's got a lot of stock in it. Big believer. He thinks the sixth buyer is going to be the one that finally understands his role. It'll be his sixth team if he's not in Vancouver and the fall boys. Colorado done, very good team.

They're not finished, but they're done for the year. Boston kind of the same thing. I guess Boston, Jake DeBrusk, it sounds like he's every year or every other year, then they'll sign a short team deal. Is he a guy that gets moved this year and what possibly happens in Colorado because they can't be happy being done in round two that the taste of champagne is still familiar, right? It's not that long ago. Yeah, and I wonder if Colorado is going to be one of those teams that jumps into that

goaltending mix too. And, you know, not that they've, Georgiev wasn't necessarily the person. They needed him to be maybe better than he's capable being. And I, you know, I did the Winnipeg series. And aside from the first game where there were 13 goals scored, I thought he was pretty good. And I certainly wouldn't hang the loss of the series at the feet of Georgiev. But, you know, you've got some other shortcomings. And, you know, are you in a position where, you know, you just, you try and shore things up after, you know, playing the game that they've played,

historically of not investing a ton of money in their gold pinning. I just, you know, Colorado is going to be a good team for a long time because they've got the principal pieces, right? So there'll be some takering there. There always is, but I wouldn't be too worried about the Colorado Alvolans going into next year. It's funny. You mentioned that. You look at the teams with goaltending.

Playoff, now Stuart Skinner, to be determined here, but he's at an 881. Carolina 895 Frederick Anderson out Georgiev and 897 out Archer C-Lovs 898 out Vancouver has Thatcher Demko obviously but you wonder about Carolina and like you say these are teams that are feel like almost powerhouses outside of the crease yeah you almost as a GM it's almost a disservice to everybody on the club unless you if you don't try and improve in some way yeah and I mean Carolina is just a box of chocolates. It really truly is. You know, you look at their pending free agent pool and it's in double budgets. And, you know, the messaging that I'm hearing and I, you know, I've spent way too much time

focused on the Carolina hurricanes for obvious reasons, right? Like Brenda Moore is going to the open market. Oh, no, now ownership is reengaged. No, he's going to stay because he wants to stay to get the deal done. Oh, now Don Waddell, the general manager, he's not coming back. No, he's going to leave. And the messaging I got earlier this week is they don't have much interest in really any of their unrestricted free agents, which if that's true, is mind-blowing to me. You know, you pay the assets for Jake Gensel, Brett Pesci, I mean, go down the list of some of these guys. It's bonkers. You know, it's crazy. They're going to engage.

It's a strategy by a very successful businessman in Tom Dunman. So I think when the messaging is out there, no, we're not, we're not going to engage with any of these guys. And then you wait until the 11th hour and, you know, and the June rolls around and you're like, okay, well, here's the deal that you wanted back in January. We'll give it to you now. And you almost force the player to make a decision at that point. You want to uproot or you don't want to stay and you've got the guaranteed money. All kinds of stuff with the hurricanes. but goal-tending again, a question.

I know they don't have faith in Freddie moving forward, and that leaves Kachatoff, who they've talked about in Carolina circles as being the next very good goaltender for the Carolina Hurricanes for two or three years now. So maybe they kind of put all their eggs in that basket. We'll see, but there's a lot of change coming there for sure. Edmonton, Dallas.

The Oilers made it. third, well, their second trip to round three and three years. It's Dallas standing in their way. And again, they play, got to play these good teams at some point. They didn't get to handpick L.A. or Vancouver. That was given to them. But this is going to be a, by, I would say, a considerable margin, their toughest test. How do you see this playing out?

Well, first of all, I'm a bit surprised at three. You guys don't have your Oilers hats on. I saw the segment with Saravali and, you know, I recognize that that's just not going to happen in any point in your lifetime. We're on the fans. It's here for the Flyers, too, right? Leaning, you know, leaning towards the start. Yeah, I laughed out loud.

I'm not going to lie. It was playing entertainment. You'll believe it or not, like I do have Dallas, and I think most would agree as the favorite team going into this series. But I'm almost defeating my case here by saying, I think that McDavid is going to have more freedom against the Dallas stars than he did against the Vancouver Canucks. Even though, you know, hey, every time 97 hits the sheet,

Mara Heiskenon is probably over the boards, right? I mean, I would think that that's going to be the Pete DeBoer matchup that they're looking for. Just that blue line, as good as it is in Dallas, I don't think he is quite as daunting. It recovers as much circumference and ice as they did in Vancouver. I'm told that McDavid is healthy. I don't know if he had a bit of a flu or a cold or whatever, but I'm told he's 100% good to go.

So, you know, it doesn't feel that you guys, if they're going to get to the Stanley Cup final, they're not getting there with Connor McDavid having two goals through three rounds of the Stanley Cup playoffs. You know, even though he did real good things, generated offense, power play kind of, went a little bit stagnant in the Vancouver series. He's capable.

He did some really good things defensively, all of that. But he's going to have to really turn up his game. And if he doesn't, then, you know, Dallas is going to move on in the Stanley Cup final. They do feel in Edmonton because goaltending is always a factor, right? And this is a mismatch. If you're lucky at either Skinner or Peckard versus Jake Ottinger, they feel in their scouting that if he's vulnerable, it's up high and he doesn't battle through screens. So Ottinger or Skinner? Ottinger.

Yeah, the scouting from Edmonton is that. So, I mean, isn't that just scouting 101? You want to beat the goalie high and you want to get traffic in front? Like, we're not really splitting hairs here. So anyway, that's kind of the mindset of the overall. But I do think, I think it's a long series, but I think Dallas means. Lindell and Tanna might get a bunch of that group, too. Those are two of the more defensively elite guys in terms of like shot suppression and not allowing pucks at your own net.

Like Lindell and Tanna, or two, maybe the top 10 in the league at that. Yeah. But, you know, pick your poison, right? If they have the luxury of keeping McDavid and dry saddle apart, for me, Leon should be in the cons my conversation. If we're allowed to have that at this point, he's in there. for me. He's 100% in there for me. So you're not wrong. I just feel like I wonder if, if Tanoff has the matchup against the dry saddle line. Yeah. And then when you go to Eminton, you're going to have to use both those pairs of the way. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Dry saddle's been so

good. You can appreciate how injured he's been in the past when he hasn't been to this level in the playoffs. I understand. I guess you get better with age at this point in your career. But just remembering that even that series that they beat the flames in. I think he could. He could. He's a big angry German. And, you know, he'll block a shot. He'll get hurt. And it just pisses them off more. He almost plays better, you know?

Yeah. So Memorial Cup, road trip. Yeah, road trip. Is this a sad work? Watch the Moose Jaw Warriors. Yeah. Yeah, it's not unusual. I think it's more of a photo op, frankly, for TSA.

They want to roll me out because, you know, it's one of our bigger events, right? So the fact that I can drive there and I don't have to fly. is probably also a part of the reason. But I enjoy it. I've been to, this will be my third or fourth consecutive now. Yeah, you just get to hang out with hockey people, right? Yeah. Now, a lot of the NHL GMs and whatnot are in pro meetings or amateur scouting meetings right now.

But again, you're dealing with the amateur scouts and assistant GMs and things like that. But it's a real good class this year. It is in terms of the teams assembled there. So it's always a fun one to watch. It's a short tournament, but man, they milk it. Like, it seems to drag out until the better end. And I've never, you know what? I've been to that area many times from minor hockey and whatnot.

Never been to Saginaw, Michigan. So I'll have to report back next week and let you guys know how it is. Well, I'm not going to sleep now. I can't wait until next week to find out. If you go to the draft, you can compare it to Vegas when we're down there. Yeah. Just the pros and cons of each. Yeah.

It's not a fear. It's a tent in the backyard. Yeah, it's something like that. Quonset. Appreciate your buddy. Safe travels. We'll talk to you next week. All right, guys.

Have a great one. You bet. TSN insider, Darren, on his way to Saginaw, Michigan. I think there's a song, Saginaw, Michigan. Saginaw, something or other from back in the day. But there you go.

Always good catching up with dregs. I guess not a whole lot to react from in there. The, uh, The flame stuff is still, it's not that I think they're not coming back and it's not going to be, oh, well, good or I see you, you turn down money. Don't care. But just what will they command on the open market? Because I don't think either's going to resign there from the.

His number for Linholm seemed high. And there's just two years in a row where he hasn't looked dynamic enough to masquerade as number one, right? He's a center is the only thing, right? Yeah. So I look at Ryan O'Reilly's dealing, like he's longer in the two. but he's a center. He got paid, but it was like four and a half million times four or whatever. Like it's not eight anything. And so even if he drops to seven, that's 49 million. If he was asking for nine here times eight, that's 72. Like that's tens of millions.

Is O'Reilly not a bit older? Certainly slower. If O'Reilly's a winger, he's one, two year low money. But because he's a center, yeah, like we're going to continue to pay you. They're hard to come by. A team like Boston and Colorado, maybe still, like we mentioned. them as Souters all year long. Certainly Boston. You know, it depends on Colorado Fields and Middlestad. Landisg at his press conference today, I guess he's not shutting it down. I thought that was going to be

I'm done. I did too. When you hear it's the GM or president, I guess GM and the captain with a press conference together in the morning. One day announced, you're like, ooh, poor guy, but still going. I guess. You're muted, bud.

Retro. Sorry. That's all fine a good that he says he's not shutting it down, but it really doesn't mean anything. Why are you having a press conference if that, just so people stop asking you, I guess. Status quo, everyone. Yeah. It just that,

that injury and that surgery he had is not, he don't know what he's going to be capable of it. You noted it right when you heard. The cartilage placement is like, oof, like you said, that's a huge amount of time. You can't even, uh, you're not supposed to touch. Yeah, like it can't be disrupted. No, he's been out for a long time and apparently it's been good.

And I'm actually hopeful because I'd be interested down the road if this is an option. Yeah, yeah. But there's a large, there's a big difference between going and playing NHL hockey and subjecting yourself to again, that sort of injury and living. Yeah. Well, there's barely any hitting in the game anymore. Yeah, it's soft. It's soft. See you soon, Gabe.

Get back out there, bud. Keep training. We haven't gotten into the dumb stuff yet, so clearly we're not done with the Pinder. We're close. We're very close. First sad stuff as we jump back into the Pinder report for Villachonda. Another anniversary, not a good one. Owen Hart.

25 years ago today. 25 years ago. Yeah. Do you remember where and when? I remember where I was. It was a Kansas city. I mean you, not him. Yeah.

because this is the kind of news where like you remember. Oh yeah. No, I absolutely. And again, 25 years ago, I was back at my wife's, they got a family farm. Internet at that time,

like barely had it and trying to find out more. But just terrible. Just one. And again, you don't even need to be a wrestling fan or whatever. Everybody loved Owen. Just the best guy. And there's a lot of things in that wrestling role of this guy's this or that

person. since that. He was just the purest, sweetest guy that everybody loved and the circumstances under which he died. Obviously, people know it was unnecessary and just, just brutal. So, um, and Martha continues to do great stuff. The Owen Hart Foundation. I see they got Jerry Seinfeld coming to town. She continues every single year. They've got some sort of an event. I believe it was, um, Sarah McLaughlin had a concert in town raising money for that. And I think it's Jerry Seinfeld coming up. So support the Owen Hart Foundation. Back to sports we go.

We were telling you yesterday two days ago. It's not fair. You can't put these CPL teams up against these MLS teams with these expensive, Ron. Like it's just, why are we doing this? It's not fair. There we are.

Forge beats CF Montreal and moves on to the next round of the Canadian championship. Are you kidding me? That's two wins in a week by CPL teams over MLS sides. This is a super CPL fan. Let's hear what he is. It happened again. Yeah, a Canadian Premier League club, beaten an MLS side in the Canadian Championship in back-to-back nights.

Just the night before, Cavalry beat Vancouver in Vancouver. And just last night, Forge beat Montreal in Montreal and advanced to the Canadian Championship semifinals. Bravo. But personally, I have a small problem with the Canadian Championship, and that is the away goals rule. It's 24. It's been abolished pretty much everywhere.

Canada needs to abolish it as well. Cavalry lost to Vancouver to 1 in the first leg at home, then went to Vancouver and beat them. 1-0 and cavalry was eliminated because Vancouver scored more goals away than cavalry did. That is just absolute complete nonsense at this point. And even Vanney Sartini, the manager of the Vancouver Whitecaps who was on the winning side of things, called out the Canadian Soccer Association for still having the away goals rule in the Canadian championship.

He said that cavalry deserved to go to a penalty shootout and I completely agree. But hey, it's not time to complain. It's time to celebrate because we have a Canadian Premier League club in Forge in the semifinals of the Canadian Championship. I keep on saying that the Canadian Premier League, we got some fire clubs. Let's go. Fire clubs.

It's not different than fired coaches and fire roasted chicken. Well, hot takes there from that guy, whoever he was. The stupid away goals rule. I tried to explain it to Jack. He's like, that's the stupidest thing I've ever. Hey, boss, what do you think? And I was like, no, no, there's

away goals is the tiebreaker. Yeah, it's horrible. soccer makes no fucking sense thank you jack i love when the boss steps in yeah right to the point uh do you know what the LA Dodgers and LA King's organist is

uh I don't he's one of the funniest dudes I didn't see so this is yesterday at Dodgers Stadium uh what do you see off in the horizon there uh some advertisements some palm trees and a flaming vehicle. That is a car

slash vehicle that is on fire let's go to the organist. You like that song? Is it a banger or not? Half of the ballpark doesn't really know what's happening. The other half of it's like, oh wait a first base I know exactly what's up. I went and found this dude on the old Twitter machine. He's unbelievable. Anytime

Snoop Dog gets in front of a camera, he's playing out Snoop songs, Snoop was giving him some shoutouts. Well done, sir. Well done. He didn't start the fire just in case you know. No, that's clearly. over here by the Oregon. How can you have started the fire all the way over there? Let's go to Beer League Hockey.

Is that Gordy Howe charity tournament kicking up here soon? Yeah. I don't know if this is live footage or not. I know Tim the booze guy was all fired up to play with Ray Bork, but let's see. So we're going to miss. He needed a change. Why aren't those other two guys? Yeah.

What are you two waiting for? I've been tapping my stick here. That was Keenan. He wanted you to work on line change. Quick changes. You got to get off quick. Ready to jump. Do you have a favorite missed hit where you really thought you had someone and just ate glass? I wouldn't call the favorites. They hurt. Well, I know, but is there one that stands out? Not really. No, I, the, the reverse hits are worse almost.

Paul Cruz dumped me on my head really hard. It wasn't good. He was sneaky tough. It wasn't even snaggy. Or not even sneaky. It's just tough. Yeah. I mean, just back, like he'd be a heavyweight now. He would have been considered a middle back then.

If you actually go and look at who he fought and how often, you'd be like, oh, yeah, because you're right. You hear his name and he wasn't overly selective. He was willing and ready. Yeah.

Nothing like baseball and summer, fellas, you know, scent of grass in the air, blue skies, shagging fly balls in the outfield. Yeah. There.

Oh my goodness. Hey, Tucker, get your glove up. Oh. That's... Oh. Good dude in his phone. Yeah, I might sit down for a bit here. Nice catch, orange shirt.

First day. Yeah, first day, it's a good. Thanks for your health. It's, uh, last summer took the fellas to their first major, our Blue Jays game in Toronto. And the one was passed out. It was like, you need to go in for an app. The other one, I'm like, we're going early. we're going to shagg fly balls and the other

we'll join us later. It's a lot. It's every 10 seconds and if your head's not on a swivel, you're going to eat one of those. Like it's... But that's why you're going out there though, right? Right. And so it's like, if we're in that area, this is what we're here to do. That's exactly. Yeah. It's like grab a thing

of corn and like watch the Jumbotron. Yeah, start to be like, so how's the garden these days? We're going to switch dentists and I was just asking, no, pay attention. Batting practice. dummies. I hope she's okay.

Yeah, me too. I hope she's. I know there was a fan of Toronto that took one and it was like massive. Was it hematoman? That's what they call? Yeah. Hemoglobin, hemi.

Yeah. It's a. Emilea. Rat, the shoveler's new workout routine. The videos have leaked. I don't know how she's doing, but huge, huge sledgehammer. The big tires,

that's just like CrossFit. Is that what's happening here? Yeah. Use the big hammer. Oh. Oh, that's how you do it. That's the exercise. Yeah, it's the old job master.

Here we are. Yeah. That is really heavy. It works your hands and your chin. Hammer right to the mouth. I'm going to be able to take some punches. Chin music. Okay.

Why would, moving on. In some parts of the world, bidding is socially acceptable. Bidding? Spitting. Oh. Other places, it's very rude. And in some places, it's like, well, if you spit near my feet, like, whoof, we're going to have a little talking to.

So this looks like there's a traffic incident. Not sure where we are in the world, but let's watch these two gentlemen as they try to work through this maybe difference of opinions, the way to put it, Red. I thought maybe they were smooch in there. I thought it was a smooch fest. It looks like they're pecking and smooching. And then you realize they're hawking luggies on each other's faces with, including. incredibly brisk pace. Some people think it's hot.

It's part of the routine. One of my first fights was because somebody spit on me. You don't do it. Rude. Yeah, you don't spit on people. Don't spit on people. Dean got a roller coaster for you. I showed you the slingshot the other day.

That was not up to standard. This is called the Radler. Now this is an old wooden roller coaster. You know the appeal of the wooden ones, Reth? Yeah, it's like an old school, old fashion. I'll have a look. Let's see it. A little more sway in there, a little more give, D.

A fabulous building product, what is. What? No money in the world. Give, what are you talking about? You got to have some sway. Yes. A little bounce in your step team. You know what?

If you two say so, then let's go. Yeah. What's the number? There isn't one. 100 grand. No. Oh, Jesus. It's like, what if I gave you $10 million, but you're dead?

10 million's hard to enjoy when you're dead. Yeah. You could do some nice things for your kids, but. Let me go. Let's get into the snake portion of the program. This one's called Massive Snake 1. Massive Snake 1. Now, look at this.

This is probably the largest snake ever caught on film here. They've got it rope tied around. It's neckdine. That thing could fill your living room. I'm just ready for the village Honda liner, whatever. We're not quite there yet. You've got two or three, four, four, five more snakes. Look at the size of that red.

There's something in that thing. Yeah, there's a lot in that thing. Good night, sweet prince. You do not want to fight with that thing. Yeah, you definitely want that rope to be very long, so it's not getting near you. The CRV is a little smaller than the Honda pilot. That snake would not fit in either. More nimble.

Um, let's head to the water. There's also snakes in the water, friends. We know this, right? Uh, this looks like the coast of a river here. Um, we're gonna need a bigger boat. Rats. Oh, my, man. There's something in that one, too.

Well, they gotta eat. What are you? He's dead. That's, he's past, a lot of boots. Yeah. I've eaten.

I can't. What you wouldn't want, Dean, is a live one in a body of water that you're not in a boat in, right? That'd be worse. So let's go to someone's backyard pool. I think this is Rett's Florida vacation. That's a kid. Next. It's fine.

You just got to watch Dad coming in the help here. Get away. Get away. Good work, Dad. Get that snake out of here. When are you moving, Rhett? Is it, have you got the property packed up yet? Oh,

the size of her. Oh, take this here. Not idea. Not idea. Not ideal. And so,

we now arrive at the mystery box where we have Dorn the foodie or on our snake theme Thursday, the mystery box,

Dean, you get to select. Well, you know how I love dogs and Dorn is a dog. He's a black lab. He's a sweet boy. Yeah.

But I'll go with the mystery box. It was a nice touch yesterday. Yeah. I think that was a monkey and is that a big sock. Oh, no, that's definitely a steak. Is that it's, like it's, oh my Lord.

Is that a monkey or whatever? Yeah, I feel like it's, is it like a marsupial of some sort? Red how you like in that one there? That's, that's the mystery box, Dean. You really don't love Dorn. You could have just had him eating broccoli. That's incredible. And do you know what the game plan is here?

Now that I've got half this thing in my snake body, I get to hang out for two, three weeks while this thing digests. Well, I was going to say, there would have been some probably about two hours prior to that because there would have been the initial bite. And then the venom. It's like, you're not going anywhere. And then just kind of glom onto that thing.

He was down by that thing, by the hip. He was hip deep. Yeah, it looked like hip waiters did. Totally. Right into the hip. No snakes in all makes and models at Village Honda. There's a no snake guarantee at Village Honda. Do you know why Ryan does he like snakes or what is?

I don't know. The algorithm's been given us snakes. We haven't had kangaroos for ages. It just, we get what we get. What if it was serial killers that just kept showing up in your inbox? There's a filter that we have to put it through, a very stringent and. The boss's filter? Yeah, Jack's filter.

Really. Now, some people have been trying to send me the, hey, look at this guy walking into traffic on the freeway. I'm like, we're not going there. That's too dark. Snakes eating marsupials? Yeah, we can do that. Well, I saw somebody who was upset yesterday enough that, enough with Pinder, animals getting killed.

It's enough. So even animal lovers are having a hard time with it. Yeah, I know. Peter's upset. Animals eat animals. It's tough. What are they going to do? Good?

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and let them show you why they are your dealership for life. Village Honda. We'll do our betwebats and we'll get the H out of here. Now programming note tomorrow might be a bit of a swerve in terms of the start of the show if you're one of the,

and we thank you for being that. But if you are one of the viewers or listeners you watch a line on YouTube, yeah, if you're a Barney and you're in every day, might be an hour earlier. Backing it up just a little bit. It's on me. It's a me thing.

But we're going to jump it up by about an hour or so. That allows me to join as well. it's also on me and RET super flexible as always. You appreciate you, buddy. I'm always here. Whatever time zone, rain or shine, don't matter. No days off. No days off.

That's right. That's us. Yeah, that is us. But I mean, if you're, if you just watch at your leisure, then it's really not going to affect you a whole lot. If anything, it'll be available to you earlier than it, uh, for the, for the audio portion. So you could always just tune in at 10.15 and pretend like it's live. Yeah, just pretend like it's live. whatever he wants.

Or just, because I think once you go on there, can't you just take the old, the dragon, yeah, but then he's missed. Think about all the snakes you can miss. Something like the snakes. I don't like 10.15.

Let's start on time. Yeah. What is on, we don't have a start time, though. What is, I don't know. Well, Jack puts a start time

on the YouTube channel, but I think he's just giving up on 10, and he's resigned to 1015. Jack, do we want to try to actually start at 10? When? I mean, ever? Probably not. What difference to make.

Just, I mean. Jack, I have children and things to do. That's incredibly rude. Yeah. I got a bologna sandwich with my name on it downstairs. Oh, I'm going to have some taco salad today. Are you really? Damn.

Local salad. Nice. Crush it. What would be the earliest we could comfortably start the show? Well, I'm at a different time. I know what you are, yeah. So I'd say 930 probably that'd be super tight chip because I got a kid drop off for school and then I need a certain amount of time to sift through all the snake videos and only select the I was going to say it doesn't do it itself. Look I get a lot of shit sent you.

This is just not good enough for the Penderport. It does not. Actually, boom, this could be a benefit for all of us. We should say 915 start and we will eliminate traffic on freeways. I'm not going to have my time. It's true. If you cut the Pinder report by half. think of how early we could start the show.

And if you cut the report, we wouldn't have. Less is more. I'd have to cut out some sports and it might be way more effective as a video of snakes. Well, we need random people ranting about the CPL or whatever it is. That's twice and two nights. You got a love it, boys.

You are. That's hot takes there. Yeah, real hot takes. We also got Jack to tell us that's not going to speak any fucking sense. It's not true. Tomorrow we'll do the Great Clips Inbox. If you want to get your questions in, do it. Send an email to Great Clips Inbox at Flamesnation.Ca. Or you can be in the chat and we'll get to it as well.

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It's a, give me an hour or so. About 2 o'clock. Can we? Hour 15, maybe. What are you doing? Great clips. It's going to be great. Betway.

Now, I picked the Rangers to win the series and then took Florida in my bets yesterday and you picked Florida and took the Rangers in your bets yesterday. Yeah, we did those things. They happened. We need to make our series picks here

and do our Betway bets. Okay. Who would like to? You have to go first. Oh, do I? Dallas. I will take the Dallas stars to win this series. Six games. Not that it matters. But I think at some point the depth, the goal tending, just there's enough there.

My hope and my wish, oh hockey gods, now that it's round three, could you put your whistles away? Let them, let's play some five on five. More five on five. That would be great. And, and yeah, it's, I don't wish. bad things on Stuart Skinner. I'm sure he's a very nice guy. But if you want to keep up that 880 save percentage, just do what you've been doing. Just keep doing what you've been doing. And because I think the stars might get more than 18 shots a night. I do feel that that's something that's going to happen. Yeah. So I will take the Dallas stars. Who's in second, Jack or Rhett? Because I'm last. I know that.

We're tied and I'll go with the Oilers strictly based on I need to catch the boom. I have no want or desire for the Oilers to win. But I do not. not want to lose to the That feels like awful, awful karma. Don't like that at all. I don't, that just in my bones, that doesn't feel good. That's how we're rolling.

That is how we're rolling. Because what is at stake in, in our bets? I don't recall, but it's just breaking rights and not really even that. I don't want you looking down your, is it looking down your nose at me? Sure, yeah.

I am a very, I am a cocky prick. It's true. You guys are in the same room a lot, boom, we're rubbing it in all the time. Yeah, yeah, picks. Yeah. Job, boss, who do you got?

I will take the stars in seven. Oh, my schooltending depth. Let's go. I'll take the stars as well. Short series, let's go. Short series. I mean, I've been consistent all spring. Yeah.

That's why I'm in last. You mean the Kings didn't beat the Oilers in a short series? It was a short series, I do, but, uh, Kings run up to the task. Canucks are up three, too? Dubla was du Blah was sunk our battleship. They had to go to big save day. That was not going to be the move that saved their season.

I see Dublaa scored for Canada at the world's today. That's good that they invited Dublaa to Canada. Yeah, man, you had three assists in a period. I'm like, well, that's about a half season of work. So I guess the team with three NHL guys, Dubla, look out. He really something. They come up. Yeah.

Betway bets for tonight's matchup. Markey match. There's a marquee. And it's the only one. That's what makes it marquee. Marky nonetheless. Marky? Marky.

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get a refund of up to $200. Bam, which you can then use again to bet on your favorite sports. This offer only available outside of Ontario. I'm going with a Stars regulation win.

Oh, plus 120. And they have, when you go to your Betway app and you look around, they're going to have some different things. I thought there was a boost in there. And I don't know if we were supposed to talk about the boosts, but nonetheless, a Stars win,

money line. So just win, baby. And a Leon point. So not a shutout, unfortunately. But if Drysidal gets a point and if the stars win this thing, it's a plus 110, which feels pretty good. I don't mind it. It's my bets of the day. I'm going to go on the under. I like, Dallas wants to keep this low scoring, friends. They don't want the six five games. They want this three, two, two, one. And so I'm going to take under five and a half at plus 115. And we're to stay on Wyatt, Wyatt. My boy, White. Plus 162, the Wyatt

Johnston anytime goal because well, Canada's team needs a hero, and White Johnson, I think is that man tonight. He's a great Canadian. He really is. Great Canadian kid. Yeah, real good. There you have it. Those are our bets of the day. I can't believe

Warren, you did what you did just now. I can't even believe it. I don't like it. How's it going to end the show now? This is all going to be weird. I've, you know. They still suck, but they got to get me a win. What are the records, Jack? I'm actually kind of sewered, though, because I feel like if, even if they do win.

Yeah, you've definitely put yourself in a touch spot. And the Panthers win, at best will be tied. And I can't imagine you're going to take the Oilers in the final. Oh, Dean's just going to watch and see how they look. Then you've got to do it again. I was going to say just mathematically speaking, there's only so, there's only so much road left here. No, a lot of runway. Maybe I should take Florida.

I mean, Dallas. Ret, now is the time. We've not locked them in yet. Well, hang on. Oh, sorry. Are we going to let me pick both sides or is he switching? That's what I was trying to do. Careful.

Careful. That's what's happening. Careful. What a show. Great show. Yeah, that's such a great show. Enjoy that taco solidarity. Betway, get that Betway app.

Pre-bet up the 200 if your first bet lose is only available outside of Ontario. That's your QR code to get that bonus, though. You're going to need it. Then you'll be just as happy as I. Let Dallas Colors. Met to be. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is.

Yeah. Beautiful. Sign, actually. Yeah. They stand in the third in Dallas, eh? They like standing up. Do they ever? In that camera angle that they have,

I know some people bitch about it. I think it kind of gets it's a little bit lower. And yeah, once they stand, you can't see into that. I just think no one else stands. Yeah, like the angle is built for when people are sitting. Let's go. Let's do it.

That's the camera on the ice. What's the camera on the ice? Maybe you're not getting, that feed. Like last night, McKid and I are watching, and it's, it's not during the play. We got a ref cam or what? Well, I don't know. That's, I know the worlds, they got the officials wearing cameras on their helmets. It doesn't feel like a ref cam, but maybe it was like ice level on the ice surface. I know some of the boards. They've had little clear things put in and they can maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Aim at the net. Well, there you are. There's your homework for tonight, right? Jack, what do you

got what do I got for what he picked uh Dallas already did he picked Dallas already oh yeah Dallas went in order which is why I went last yeah he said in seven games right he did yeah Jack what else he got taco salad no taco salad um I don't know what I'm gonna have for lunch today hey what's gonna be well Pinda should take you because he's a dick and he owes you one yeah he does owe me big time he owes you lunch well I had to sewer my I'm tired to get out of that lunch, but I found away. Yeah. Now, Pender, you're going away.

I'm going away. I'm going away. I'm going to flight tomorrow at 10.30. So we'll have you. If at all, we'll have you briefly and from an airport tomorrow. And what are we doing? We are heading to the desert in Mays last June. Is this an everything in the household event? This is the children and the,

parents. Is it not my parents, just me being a parent. Are your parents not there? My parents are here. So you have the place. So you're going down and your parents aren't going to be there. That's correct. Why didn't you invite boom?

Why didn't we all just go down? Boom has to do the show. I can do it from there. Don't worry. What is already got about 18 people coming through in 10 days and places. It's right, right? Because that doesn't, that doesn't, that doesn't, that doesn't vehicles and rinks and starbucks and you can't do it from california i can do it i

don't know no problem doing i did from california last time i was there yeah yeah you were the shits thank you get out of here ryan go have some sun good a vitamin d red sunburn yeah you got to get south of the same latitude right there's a oh jesus just saw that things up yeah ret's really that the grumble's going now. Talk to salads. Toggy. Dean. Push it down.

Not the volume. Push it just, push him down. Just bury it. It's only been all of my adult life. Yeah. And a good chunk of my childhood as well. So it's nothing really new.

See it, buddies.