Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Time To Rebuild? | FN Barn Burner - June 23rd, 2023

Episode Date: June 23, 2023

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Rolling with another edition of the podcast. It is Barn Burner on a Friday here in the Tower Chrysler Studios. Tar Chrysler! We hope Serge has recovered from his big Palm Springs extravaganza. The tough loss by the firebirds, he'll be back at home. Alivaura. I don't know that, does Serge seem like a guy that gets depressed or down for any amount of time? No, sir.

Seems like he's kind of a... No sugar highs and lows. That's true. Yeah. There's no crashing. Yeah. Steady. Eddie.

Interesting times, indeed, as we get into the show today, is a tough day for the old, old cow town yesterday. Tough day. Half full, Dean. I was going to say. Yeah. You can see what you want to see. It's half full or half empty.

Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people taking it hard. A lot of people feel like our city's taking a beating. And it just seems very on vogue for everybody to be leaving the city. Uh, right, you did it. And Pinder, you've apparently done it. So it's, uh, it's the end thing.

Everybody's leaving Calgary. Yeah. Well. For those that are not watching on the YouTube's, Pinder is not in studio. He is in a studio, but not our studio. Not the Tahr Chrysor studios. He has oiler jerseys,

hanging behind him. Have you? This is a bigger swir than Hogan to the NWO. Well, I had to take a huge gross dump and happen to be near the Oilers Nation studio. So I thought, I don't know if Rhett's where he is. Dean, does he need someone to talk?

Can we talk this out, Dean? It was a tough day. I want to remind you, there's positives here and the studio is right here. So I've got 10 minutes for you. And then what are you doing? Shmoos. Go schmooze some people.

How's the hang of? It's, uh, I don't know. Like I feel pretty good to be honest. No, no. But not tip top, but not like there's no headache. I'm not, I feel all right. Just had breakfast, coffee's in me. Good.

So for those that aren't watching, you are at the, uh, Oilers Nation headquarters. With my stupid, uh, Aunt Louise golf visor on. Yeah, you've got the, Eugene Hopkins and McDavid jerseysies behind me. Yeah. Oilers suck. See, now here's the thing. Well, I think we've all, the three of us, we talked about it yesterday, and I don't think anything has changed.

Well, I mean, we can go through kind of the last 24 hours. When we started the show yesterday, there was the Hanifan. You know, Hanifan's not going to sign, but we kind of knew that. Or it's leading to believe he was not going to re-sign an extension. And Elias Lindholm, yeah, I'm not sure either. You know, come to think of it. And then closer to Showtime was Michael Backland. He's like, well, I mean, if you guys are, if you guys are thinking of it.

maybe I'll then maybe I also will not know those guys aren't here this team's not going to be good so I'm out of here then and then it'll be later on the afternoon it was Tyler Topholi is like

I mean if it's if everybody's if all the cool kids are doing it then yeah I follow our we need leaders not followers right that's what it comes down to so yes between

so Trilliving Chuck Goddrow yeah Lindholm, Hanifan, Dockland, To Foley. Coach's fault. Sutter, yeah. It is the coach's fault.

Welcome to the new job, Craig. Yeah. First time GM. Bet you it's everything you thought it was cracked up to me. Ha ha. So what the hell did you live here at the year-end meetings? Like, was he alone with the players? And then all of a sudden...

No, because Don Maloney was there with him, remember? Maloney was in. court coming from everybody's mouth that they hate it and they're out and don't bother. I can see all of them. I'm out. Yeah, I think we have to be careful not to make this that people want out of Calgary and don't want to play for the flames thing,

which there may be degrees of that, but I think a really big part of it is why would I have to make a decision now when I can wait till next summer? And that doesn't fit Craig Conroy's timeline when he says, I'm not going to take seven UFAs into the season. I don't I'm not ready to make a decision it's not a yes or a no really the only firm one we've heard is is to Foley and he's asked to be traded even as sort of some of the angling on the messaging but the rest it's like I don't have an answer for you at this point and it's not leaning yes but it's not like I'm saying no to Calgary I'd rather see this process out I've got the right to finish this contract and I'd like to do that I think there's a lot of that here too and if you lose Linholm like let's be honest I don't see how you can be competitive So if he's gone, why wouldn't everyone else go? He's the one that swings everything for me.

I think you could, you can envision them getting by without a Hannafin. I can't see them getting by without a Lindholm in terms of an M.O. to make the playoffs. Like there's just no one else that can masquerade as the number one center. It's a really important spot, obviously. It is very much a perfect storm. And it depends how you want to shape your discussion or your opinion. If you want it to be Calgary sucks, the dome is a dump, and everybody wants out, and it's Canada and it's cold and it's all taxes all that yeah okay I'm sure yeah you could go to the other

side and like you said it's almost a perfect storm of a lot of key players have contracts ending in a year's time and the team just went through last off season where they lost a marquee star player for nothing they can't do that again so they have to true true somewhere in the middle is probably, well, I don't know how I feel. I know that the cap's going up next year and it would be silly kind of to sign an extension right now. But I, if everybody's leaving and we didn't make the playoffs and if it's going to be a rebuild, then I'm late 20s, early 30s, I don't really want to go into a rebuild situation. So yeah, maybe I will look elsewhere. It's all of it. And then there's, as you said, Rhett, there's got to be more than that. There has to be something that has all of these guys

So how in the F, don't they know this? They figured it out now, and they've all decided to speak out. This is bullshit. No, I think I think. You don't get to talk because you're hungover in in Edmonton with the O. We should actually close your camera, because we don't want to look at that. It's bullshit because somebody knew something. Who?

And why in the F was it not dealt with last year? Everyone's jumping ship now. You can't tell me this is a new. curve. And if these idiots that were running things didn't know that this was a shit storm last December, why didn't they deal

with it then? Why wasn't it pulled apart? They weren't in a effing playoff position. They could have dumped guys last year before the trade deadline, gotten picks for this year. It could have been totally handled differently. This is bullshit. And the fans have to

suffer with it and the Conroy has to deal with it. It's a joke. So get more specific. You're speaking rather vaguely here. What was the thing they should have addressed? They should have traded these fucks last year if they don't want to be part of it. This isn't a new thing. You're telling me in the last month they've decided they ran the coach,

which the coach was supposed to be the issue. God. God. I don't. I've won't. Yes, it was Pinder. Yes, it was. I'm not arguing on that.

It was painted that that guy was the issue. So you get rid of the issue and everyone's, still running for the fucking doors. They knew there was problems. There's been problems for years, and they didn't fucking deal with it. See, I don't know, like, I think there's something to that, but I also think,

like, no one's, only to Foley has said I won't show up and play out my contract. So overpay me and I'll stay. It's kind of what you do when you're in free agency, isn't it? It's the last guy. It was piss poorly managed from that aspect. Yeah. I think that

there, and right or wrong, and there's no way of knowing because the guys in the room they know the guys behind the scenes they know but i think that there was kind of a belief that now that darrell was gone there was going to be some harmony that you were going to be able to bring everybody back into the fold and everything hey you know what i'm not staying because darrell's there i'm leaving don't bring if you bring him back i'm not coming that's all you heard the gm leaves the gm leaves gms don't do that because he can't get along with the coach they get rid of the coach then the players this is a potential mass exodus and it may it could be it may be a perfect storm of contracts and cap and personalities and all of that but it does feel

turett's point a little naive just to think well it's a big cap and guys say oh you all play it out or whatever if if it was just that if they if calgary was a good place and things were good it it everything right now that is coming home to roost. It is a combination of things. I definitely don't want to paint it as one thing. Just like I don't want to paint it as Darrell was the only issue last year. We all know there was lots of things that went wrong. I look at other guys that are UFAs.

What are we hearing about Nealander and Matthews in Toronto? Like sometimes we get out of this one place that we're so zoomed in on. Like there's a lot of guys that are your way from free agency that aren't interested in saying, I'm going to sign or not right now. This isn't just here, but it compounds when there's seven of the. and you have the huge changes. And there was this notion that, well, I'm not even going to entertain coming back if Daryl's here.

Well, now he's gone. Okay, I'm entertaining it. But, I mean, you're pushing me for an answer, you know, a year out. What's the cap? What am I worth? That's not everything. But I think that's a big factor. Like, why isn't Austin Matthews signed now if he likes Toronto?

Does that mean he's not signing there? Does he want out? What about New Englander? Just for an example. Then it was fucking piss poorly managed because they allowed seven guys to go into that situation. So how do you do a different? You're saying you should trade some of them sooner? You can't resign them before July 1, right?

We know that. Don't don't. I get what you're, it's too convenient to take the line you're taking and you're trying to be positive, which is very kind of you, I think. They knew fucking well that that room was a shit show and it didn't start in February. No. You knew damn well. There was issues in that room and there still are. And that's why guys aren't committed to anything.

they're not leaving just because they're not sure what the contracts are going to be. Are you telling me that Conroy hasn't offered Lindholm as good a deal as he's probably going to get? Well, we don't know, but it's going to be a good one for sure. Like, he's offering him what today's market rate is. The point being there was a, we've suspected it for a long time. Last year was a perfect example and there was a bunch of changes and I think it compounded things, the issues that were in that room. it should have been cleared out months and months and if not years ago

and it wasn't dealt with it was slapped and we're told that oh everyone's great we're all buddies everyone's happy it's bullshit they could have moved guys they were in no position

to try and make the fucking playoffs last year so if your issues are the guys you can't move what do you do if you're Craig Conroy if I'm Craig Conroy yeah like if you if you know the issues in the room lie with the guys that are the immovable objects. How do you move forward? I'm hypothetical here, but I think that's a part of it.

Well, you're jumping way ahead to a whole different topic too. Well, you're saying the room's an issue and they've got to deal with the issues in the room. What if the issues in the room are the guys that can't be moved? Well, that's exactly it. And who fucking signed? How do you do? How do you deal with this now? Who signed?

But I'm not trying to be the answer to. Okay. So don't, so don't have any comments on what's happened in the past and only deal with. So we're, okay, we're only moving forward. No, no. We can comment on the past, but I think also we have to be like, okay, like Craig has a job here. Well, I know what I would do. I'd fucking sell everyone I can and I'd start from fucking scratch.

It starts feeling like a really good time to do that too, doesn't it? And I'm fine with it. And I'd fucking run the other guys out of town if they're the issue. And if I got to pay to get them gone, I pay to get them gone. Because if they're the issue and they're making everyone else leave now, do you think that's going to change? So we're going to hang on to them so that they can fucking be, lead the new crew? Fuck that. Pardon my language. And the thing of it is, even if there isn't, like, and I think we all agree that there is,

even if you had budgets, and maybe they will by the time free agency opens in two weeks, who isn't asking long, hard questions? The question, like, if you're any UFA or any player right now, why, why Calgary, you miss the playoffs, it seems like there's, guys are leaving, The rink is a dump. You're getting a new one, but Christ, that's four years away maybe. Why would anyone pick Calgary right now? The city is great. It's a great place to raise a family, but there's some...

It's great for the people that are from Calgary. There's some great cities in the league to raise your family and live into. Why the Calgary Flames, if you're a potential UFA, or if you have a no movement clause that you would need to wave to come here? Yeah, I think the only way moving forward that I can see where this doesn't, doesn't blow up in your face is to turn these guys into futures. Because to your point, the guys that are having contracts expire or are in their late 20s, like you're just going to make this worse than what happened last year.

You're trying to slap pieces together that may or may not fit and guys, oh, their contracts up. Well, what you need is as many picks as you can get in the 20, 23 draft and you need to go scorched earth here because those are the people that will show up and play in Calgary and love it. The guys that are so fucking excited to get in the NHL, not a 28-year-old that's saying, I don't know if this team's good or not.

And to be fair, I think all these guys this summer, they don't know if this team's good or not, that we're asking, can you please sign up here or not sign up? I would want to see how this fucking goes. If I'm Michael Backland, and I've maybe only got one, two,

three more years in this league. I don't even know if this team's good. I don't know how this coach is going to work. So to me, the only way you move forward without stepping on another landmine here, turn all these expiring assets into picks. I don't know if the owner's

a buy-in, but I feel like more of the fan base will buy that than I think he thinks. Why would Michael Backland resign? He wouldn't. When are you going to hear that Rasmus Anderson wants out? That's the next step is not why would a guy resign? It's who's next to say, wait a minute. Yeah, I'm not too worried about guys a term because they don't have any leverage. They have to play out their contract.

But when his contract's up, I agree. I want out. There's your leverage. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that he's got the cashiered. make it happen. Which is your number one defenseman. He's your number one defenseman.

That's, well, that's enough cachet to walk into a GM office and say I'm out. You can ask, but I mean like, how did that go for Jacob Trubo when he asked that to Winnipeg? He got out.

It took two years. He had to keep playing there until his contract was in a spot where he had some leverage. And now he's the captain of the New York Rangers. Yeah, no, he got out.

But my point is Raspers can get out, but he can't ask and leave tomorrow. He's going to have to play out much more of the current contract. You need to, you need to change the narrative. of what's going on here. Yeah.

And I agree with threat. If, and I don't feel like, and look, I don't think there was the only problem we talked with this repeating ourselves. I think he was part of the problem. He's gone. I think he saw the problem.

I think he saw the problem. And he was part of it for sure. Okay. No, I don't think he was part of it at all. I think he was trying to solve it. Sorry, Dean, you had a point you were going to make.

No, and you know what? I think Tre Living saw it. And he was probably part of getting this problem. but I look at Hanofan and Lindholm and Tofoli and Backland. And if you were to ask me what if I was to try and decipher and diagnose what's going on in that room, why are things going sideways? I don't know that I would pick any of those guys. I really don't.

As problems you're saying? Yeah. I think Tofoli's a good soldier. I think Lindholm's kind of a quiet leader. Hanofins just kind of Noah Hanofin Backland. Yeah, I don't think. Are any of those guys rubbing guys the wrong? way, are they stirring the pot so much that guys are looking to get out of town? I don't think so.

It's just a guess, but I don't think so. I'd agree. Yeah. You'd ask why would Michael Backland resign here? The only way I see that happening is you play this year, you're competitive. And he's like, well, shit, we're a playoff team. Yeah, but today, right? If you're putting these guys in the position, we need to know, we can't lose you for nothing. Yeah. If you're Michael Backland and it's, we need you to sign here in the next week to 10 days. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing it. I don't think anyone would. Like, like, like to it's not a spot

where you're comfy with the direction because you can't see the direction yet and it might not be a good direction maybe this coach is great and maybe you can do kumbaya and everyone gets along

but if you're asking people to make a commitment now like hell no you can take me into the season I owe you a year I'm going to play but I'm not committing to this until I know what the hell it looks like

so does Conroy need to soften his stance on entering the year with UFAs? Well he's He said he won't go into seven. I still don't believe he will. And I think there's an opportunity at hand here that he can't miss. You've got to turn some of these guys into picks in this draft class if you have the opportunity. Not all of them, but you can carry guys to the deadline and move them.

You know, we talked about that with Tofoli and Tannov at great length earlier, that that would just feel like a natural, nice rental piece if guys are healthy. But you can't, I don't think you can do that with Lindholm and Hanofin because it just seems too dangerous. You're an injury or, you know, convincing yourself you're good. away from walking an asset away for nothing that you could get a haul for. Like we've seen the market for guys like Haniff in a first and two seconds. That is a lot of assets and you're not going to hit all of them. But if you get on some of those,

that can change where you're at as a franchise. You can't allow the opportunity to lose that guy for nothing. So he's not going to go in with seven, but I also don't think he's going to get the answers he wants to hear a year out. Because if I'm Lindholm, yeah, that's a nice offer. I bet you I can get that in a year. And I don't know if this team's good or not. Why am I signing up if I don't know what this team is?

It's like, is Haniffin here or not? The only positive I take from this is that it gives, to me, it gives Conroy clarity. Totally. I think that's the huge positive is that you now have a point where you can pivot and get young, maybe faster than you probably were told to do, but because you've been pushed into it. It's like the unintentional rebuild. This might be the perfect time for it. It's certainly the best draft class of an unintentional rebuild.

If you can get some picks here. I read this morning, somebody had labeled Wittipig and Calgary, the player-induced rebuild. Yeah. I mean, like management. Management didn't make the decision. The players made the decision essentially for them. And you're right. It would be, it would feel a little stupid.

I was just trying to look for a more. It would be stupid to look at what's in front of you if you're Craig Conroy and be like, no, I'm going to try and keep this together. The players are telling you all you need to know. Well, I think it's even more simple than that. I think Elias Lindholm is everything. Without him, you're not competitive. and if he does say yes,

I think some other guys are like, okay, we could be good. I don't think anyone... If you signed Elias Lindholm to date, you are not competitive. You're riding a bunch of old pricks into the grave. Well, and I'm not talking about five years. I just mean they could sell the idea of making the playoffs. I'm telling you right now with all...

So do you not think the room matters at all? Oh, I think it matters a lot. Then how do you think that with all of this being said, as kindly as you're putting it even, we all want to leave. I'm just not interpreting it as black and white as you are. That's all. I think there's a lot of things happening here.

If I'm a guy like To Foley, if I know Lindholm's gone, I'm not coming back. If I'm... But my point is if Lindholm's even back, great. Now we've got to sign To Foley. The room's no good. Yeah, I would agree. And I think that you start...

So putting Lindholm in there, you're just slapping a Band-Aid on it and trying to fake your way into phony success. Yeah, it would be the mandate to make the playoffs, which the owner we think gives to the GM every year, which I don't think is a good long-term plan. We agree on that. But it also continues to happen every year, right? So if those are his marching orders, the Linholm accepts it, you get some goal tending and the coach is an upgrade and the room's better. You could be a playoff team, but I'm with you. I'd rather see it go the other way. Well, is the room getting better? They

clearly don't enjoy playing together. Or they say, no, I want to sign back here. Yeah, I really like the guys matters to me. So the room's cursed as long as, let's say, Hubertos there for the next eight years, they won't have a good room? There's no way around it? Well, I don't know. Is Hubert, it's a problem? I'm not in the room, but something's a problem. Right. And so until we arrive there with changes, we don't know how many problems have been removed or not, right? Like, the coach is part of the problem, I think. You're saying that he wasn't now? I mean, I'm not saying he's all of it, but there's going to be a different

dynamic there without, Daryl. Like, talking to people that work in the building, I think the issue with it all is that Daryl recognized the problem, probably overstereed it a bit. Yeah. So sure, can take some responsibility. But if he didn't have to deal with what he saw, would have been a different story. I think that's fair. Like he wanted things to go a certain way and players to operate a certain way. And I kind of don't care what the management or the staff if they don't enjoy working with Daryl because it's irrelevant.

I just sort of talking about like you had mentioned last year imagine you have a best friend on a team and that guy leaves you show up at the rink you're not as happy. What does that mean? It's not tangible, but we know that a guy's not going to be as good. How much better is the exact same group if they're happy you're going to work?

We don't know, but it's something. The beauty of all this again is that I think we all agree. It's time. Be done with it. It's fine. Mr. Edwards, please recognize that this. This is your indicator to everyone we're fine. Get them out of there.

Sell. Yeah. It's, it's not the media telling you. Yeah. It's not the media. It's not fans. It's not your general manager who you've hired. It's pretty much everybody now.

Even the players have told you the mix. Hard to ignore this. The mix is wrong. We, there was no winning here. Where, what are you, what are you potentially throwing away here? A team. There. you weren't a playoff team

you weren't close switch it up yeah yeah right what's the what's the danger of going into a rebuild you might not make the playoffs well you didn't fucking make it last year yeah yeah so with this team and so if even if you wanted to bring this group back you could cap yourself out and get really old

that is hell young and cap space it is so magical compared to that and maybe you can scrape in and be an eight seed I would rather see this team be young and weaponize cap space and accumulate picks and have kids come in that want to be Calgary Flames. And none of this shit baggage that everyone's dragged through these last few years to now. Start fresh. Let's go. So are we still negative all the years that we got frigging hammered by people?

Oh, you guys are so negative. Why are you guys so negative? I'm negative because I'm pissed off because like I said, I feel like there was issues that we suspected we're there and have questioned about being there for a long time. And no, no, it's all good. And we're going to sign guys to these long-jimp deals. And we're right on the cuss of being successful. And I've really got to squint to see that.

And then the guy pulls the guy that was steering the ship, first guy to leave. He knew the most. who had the year-end meetings with the players. And to be fair, like the GM and the coach, there's a lot of blood on a lot of people's hands, but everything starts with the owner. How are people being treated? How does this shop run?

Do you think the players are being treated poorly by ownership? I mean, they're not being paid poorly, but I think there's just, you heard Vegas a lot of the guys when they won, talk about staff and, ownership like you didn't ever hear before. And if culture starts at the very top, and I think this, this organization has long been plagued by the top doesn't care for culture or treating people while necessarily. You know, talking to people that are continual

on one year deals. It's like, hey, is your deal done yet? Like, we're still grinding. I'm making half of the guy in a Canadian market doing my job. That's what you hear all the time. Like that's, is that how you collect the best people or not? That's the staff. It's the staff, which is different than the players. No, but I mean... Look, I'm not... The thing with Vegas is... I don't think this is like a pinnacle.

They've made two cup finals. They've won rounds every year, but one. If this, if Calgary had been winning and winning and winning and winning, then the city's better and the air is sweeter and everything's a little bit greater here. But there's no winning and and and, which brings you, if it ain't rock bottom, you can probably see it from here. Yeah, and I guess more of my point to the ownership is like, I don't think that necessarily Bradshaw-Living thought the movie.

he made last summer was the thing that was best for the organization, but it certainly fit his bill of we got to make the playoffs this year. You can move Kachuk for futures, but you might miss the playoffs. Yeah. Take the established vets and we'll patch it together and there's still enough talent here that this looks like a playoff roster. And to be fair, like if Markstrom didn't have his worst year of his career, they are a playoff team. They had one more point than Florida. I'm not telling you they're good, but if all you are focused on as an organization is just getting in every year and not having a long-term plan like Rett's asked for for ages, this is how it's going to go.

You're going to make short-term decisions that hurt you long-term, and that's what you're living with now. There's two guys I wonder about, and it's not like they're free of blame. But I wonder a guy like Blake Coleman, and I wonder about Jacob Markstrom. I mean, Rasmus Anderson still kind of,

I kind of feel like he's a younger guy that if you do wipe the slate, you still kind of probably want him to be involved. He can be a leader. He's still young, and he's an impactful guy in the ice. But I wonder about those two, big money, free agent additions, in recent memory as they watch everybody else potentially flee.

Yeah, Markstrom said he wants to come back. Someone reported that yesterday. I don't know if that was Friedman or Frank or somebody. Yeah. And I think he's, you know, he also probably understands you can't just ask out. And like, Blake Coleman, like you signed here, you're here. Again, like, no one's giving you something to pay Blake Coleman for the last half of a UFA deal in his 30s.

Like, you're here. You don't really have an option. Rasmus will gain more leverage. He gets closer to the end of his contract. if he wants out, we'll see what the team's like at that point. But it's the guys whose contracts are up that have the leverage. And now you're leaving again. You left Calgary and now you're leaving the show.

I got to go schmose. Be better at it. Be better. We'll see you at some point, right, whenever you decide to come home. Goodbye, Ryan. CFOs. There's only one. Yeah?

Thanks God. He's not wrong on all of his. points. It's just I have a stronger opinion on on things that we've discussed and don't think for a second that my take on signing Uyghur and Huberto was my full, like, didn't agree with it to begin with. Question the cadre thing. Not to make myself look good, but they were issues. It shouldn't have been done. It was poorly managed, whether you're marching

orders are, like, the owners do decide a direction and stuff, but as a GM, it's your job to give them the direction. I don't think that Murray

Edwards considers himself a hockey genius. He would base his decisions on, okay, are we going to make playoffs? We're going to have a chance. let's do that but as a GM put your neck on the line and say no I can't I can't a good what's the word I'm gonna sign these guys to long Kurt Gauchangs because I'm not convinced they're the right fit for what we need yeah and if you get fucking fired you

get fired yeah I mean Murray Edwards he's a lot of things I don't think to your point I don't think he's Jerry Jones no he doesn't even live here he's not Jerry Jones he's not, I think, keep me in the loop. If there's trades or stuff, he wants, what owner doesn't want to know? Of course. And I would, I would bet that, yeah, I want to make the playoff. Of course we want to make the playoffs.

Let's make the playoffs. But I, I'm not, I'm trying, I'm trying not to be on both sides. But I just remember last off season, the Godro thing was so close and then Kachuk leaves. And it just felt like, you're good. You want to play off round and then you lost to the oilers.

but you're good. Hubert O's a good player, Uyghur's a good player, Kachuk, you hate to lose them, but you know what? It was, and beyond that, it was kind of one of those things. You'd felt like you'd been kicked in the balls,

twice, hard, and this was an opportunity, not just for for for true living, but it just felt like almost for the team, the franchise, the city, the Jersey, to get back up, dust yourself off and say, we're fine.

We got these, players coming in we sign them we're not we're not dead we're rolling here well but the problem was the the trade was fine you didn't have to sign them and yeah oh we're scared to the control thing fucking trade him at the deadline then if he's not giving you commitment the only reason jonathan huberto committed to the calgary flames was for he got everything everything he did everything Like plus. The only thing that could have gone sideways at that point is that you'd get through the year and he wouldn't want to stay. Because the money, the money was all the money.

They should have accepted the fact that things unraveled not to their own doing to the players. And this is where I got mad at Pinder a week or 10 days ago. And he was like, you're an idiot. Guys always leave. And I'm like, no, they don't always leave. You don't have mass exodus. And the point I was making was you should want your players in any market to want to be and to be proud of being in the NHL and playing for the Calgary Flames or whoever they might be organization part of. You've gotten rid of it.

And now you get this. Winnipeg's getting it. Calgary is getting it. When are we ever going to see for the love of the game again? what made us all huge fans, which made us appreciate the players, what's what I lived my whole life about. When are you going to see that again?

When's for the love of the game? You know what I think when you see it is when you turn things over and hand it to the younger guys. If you told Matt Phillips, you're going to make a million and a half next year and you're going to play 82 games in the national hockey league, I've got to feel like he's looking for a pen. If you tell Jacob Pellche, you're in. No more jokes. Just you're in and play your balls off. You're going to get all the ice time. You're going to be dog tired every night because you're going to be out there all the time. I think he's excited. I think that's what it is. Like in life, we all get a little bit jaded and twisted and things that we thought really mattered after a while. They aren't as great as we thought they were going to be. And then they don't matter as much. But you do. And I think that I think it's happened at least a couple times here,

this franchise i think we saw it near the end of darrell's first run when it was ollie's out and oly's in and kodalik is coming in and then again was like that that whole thing right and then you go a step further and it was bertuzzi and oan nolan and tangay came back in it was they've made their money they know it's a big world out there they've seen a lot of it it's calgary means nothing to them but if you can bring in some young kids and they have a good experience at all you know what it is all of a sudden the flames are their team they are the calgary flames and i know chicago's chicago but for can and tapes if you find two young superstars and they come in it's their jersey they represent the brand and when you can have that kind of built-in pride then that's that's how it has

Why is it taking so long for everyone else? Like for, who said this. You're right. I agree with you. That's where you'll get guys playing for the love of the jersey, love of the game. Because the only guys, because I was thinking about this after kind of,

you guys had that blow up. Because I think it has happened before, where you remember Michael Pecka sat out a year. It was over money. Right. It wasn't about I don't want to play in the city, though. There's a difference. And when Alexei Yashin, right,

he missed the, did he miss a whole season in Ottawa before he was dealt to the island like he either way he missed a lot of time he sat out because he was done he was money I know but it's it's it's it's you do see guys the Ryan named a bunch of guys from the flames Joe New and Dyke didn't want to leave the Calgary Flames Joe New and like wanted to get paid what he was due and the Calgary Flames weren't going to pay him it's the only reason that Jerome McGinlow ever became a Calgary flame. Joe New and Dyke did not walk in the room and say,

I got to get out of this place. He said, I should be getting paid. That's, it's a big difference than Pierre Luke Dubois, who's one fuck all, and is asking for us the second time, I need to be moved because I'm not happy. Too bad.

The league, you know what the league needs to do? Blackball a couple of these kids and send a message. You don't like it? Over to Europe, bud. Lots of jobs in Russia. How did it go with Jonathan Drouan in Tampa Bay?

They played hardball. Because he wanted out and they said, screw it. Yes. And then he, you can, if you don't play, you don't get paid. So there's that. And if you want to get traded, well, we can't trade you. So play better so we can get something for you is kind of how that went. it's it's shitty right now because you know what it is it looks like yeah what's up with calgary

you know what there's nothing up with calgary calgary is fine it's that collection of players it's last year's team it's no success it's all coming as said it early it's all come home to roost where i think Craig conroy is going to do a fine job i think ryan husk is a good man they we'll talk about the the next assistant coach the rink is coming you'll look back and this could be if it's done Correctly. This could be the greatest turning point in franchise history. It really could. You could have a, a significant, you could have a nice chunk of time where you are a contender, where it's playoffs. Of course, we're making the playoffs. It's how many rounds deep are you going? Losing a round two, that should be your disappointment, not missing the playoffs. That's where you can get to

potentially. I'm not upset that these guys want to leave even, because guess what? I would have to traded them, even if they wanted to stay. I think signing these guys would have been a mistake. I still do. As good as Lindholm is, as good as Hanifin is. As soon as a guy doesn't want to be part of it, gone. Please,

gone. And for me, I didn't see the path to a Stanley Cup if you brought all these guys back. I think you're actually going to handcuff yourself worse than you are. I would keep alluding to it.

Ryan wants a bunch of picks, and that's, I don't disagree. I just think that that's checkers. Trading Hannafin for draft picks. Okay. But you still have Albatross contracts on a team that isn't going to be as good, on guys that aren't going to be as motivated playing for a Shadier team. Somebody wants Hannafin and Lindholm and Tifold and Bacquilin. Take the other.

You're getting these guys. And then use the cap space to fill your draft pool. I agree with you. I just don't think you can do it all in one summer. I think this summer you accumulate youth and draft picks. And then you start to chip away. It'll be one less year on some of those deals, whoever you want them to be.

If it's Codry or Huberdow or whoever, there's one year old or two. There's one less reason for, yeah, I know. I know. I just don't know how. You guys think it's painful? I just think it's going to be more painful trying to ride it out.

Because you look right now what's going on in Winnipeg. They're looking to trade Blake Wheeler with one year left at his deal. And they're having a hard time finding teams to even take one year. What we were sold on Cadre and Hubertow was that they were. I mean, Hubertos a year away from 115 points in his useless in the league. Two million of his contract. make it palatable for someone else to take the risk and you know what if he goes there and puts up a hundred accept it and move on now what to just devil's advocate what if what if he comes back and

gets 80 points and then you don't need to get get absolutely like hammered on a trade you can trade him next year and maybe actually get something as opposed to having to give up something that's a roll of the dice absolutely i wouldn't do it but that's a roll of a dice yeah yeah because it is two things need to rebuild the roster and you need to rebuild the room and start building that culture all over again. What are the Calgary flame? What are they about? Right now it looks like dysfunction and it has for a bit here. Um, but you, you just need to start building from the ground up again. And it doesn't have to be a decade of it. If you commit to it quickly. Kids are good. We've said it forever. if you make the right choices,

you're going to have guys that could come in and play. And we said it when Iggy got moved or like you waited too long, first of all. And wow, how are we going to, because other guys are going to get on the power play and score. That's how what were they going to? Yeah,

the thing about the Iggy stuff, you look back and he was the face of the franchise and he was selling jerseys. And even at the end, he was well over 30 and had that no trade. Here, you're dealing guys on this side of the, 30. You can trade them anywhere in the league. There's no, no moves. There's no no trades. Hadda,

all of these guys, even to Foley. You don't have the handcuffs like you did with Jerome or even Bomeister, because he had a no move as well. It's now just, you'd love to know if, if the players don't get dealt by next week, is it a signal that, oh, they're keeping them? Or is it that just the offers are what they needed them to be. Part of the problem is going to be now that, yeah, you've got all these guys saying they're happy to leave. What's the rest of the league going? New Jam.

Now he's got great help with them. So I don't. The one thing that's working for him is that you're heading into the draft, you can get assets in terms of draft picks right now. And teams haven't spent their offseason money yet with UFA. They can bring on Noah Haniffin money. They can bring on. Lindholm money. They may not on July 5th, right? If they go to market and find another

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it's worth the trip. If they're nearby, why aren't you there already? It's the weekend. Good golly. Um, I'm just going to jump right to the Pinder report, I think. We talked about that. I was going to tell you all the great things there are in Calgary. Did you know there's the stampede? Yeah, it was the greatest outdoor show. On or on dirt, earth?

Yeah. Turf. Turf. Yep. We got a zoo? When's the last time you've been to the zoo? Pandas left. Yeah.

It costs a lot of money. Cost a lot of money, apparently, to bring in bamboo or whatever it was from across the planet. Picky bastards. What do you got to just bamboo? It's all you eat, bamboo. Why can't we grow bamboo? Can't we grow bamboo? Maybe that's why the guys want out.

No bamboo. Baboo. We got that library. Tower. We got a nice library. You want to the tower? I'm scared at the tower because it's got that open floor we talked about. I'm a big fan.

Yeah. Yeah. Calloway Park? Do we have anything that isn't old? The library's new. I've got some work to do. Time for the Pinder Report. It's a presentation.

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We will do the Pinder Report. So it seems a little kind of, you know, I don't need to backtrack, but in case you're just tuning in, do you do that to a podcast? If you're listening, do you just kind of start? I don't know. This is for a end, probably not.

To recap. To recap from a day ago, Noah Hannifun, uh, no, I'm not going to sign an extension. Now, again, clearly, this is not saying, trade me, but it's saying I'm a UFA in a year, and I'm kind of looking forward to that potentially. So I'm not going to resign right now. And then Elias Lindholm said, what was, what was Annie saying? Was he, oh, was he saying he wants to try? Oh, it's a free agency.

So, yeah, Elias Lindholm said, probably, you know, we're talking, but. feels hasty to maybe sign right now. I don't know. Let's just see how things go. These Swedes, they're thick as thieves. Michael Backland, they were at IKEA together. It's like, who was on the phone? Oh, it was Connie? Oh, what? Are you not thinking to re-signing? Well, maybe I'm not going to resign either. I mean, this might change, but I've been there a long time, but so Michael backland and then you got this to Foley character he's like well if you guys aren't going then maybe I'm not gone so it's really as you said it's a lot of followers right now maybe that's the problem no leaders only followers so Tyler to Foley looks like he could be

on the trade market now he's a guy you can bring him back into the season trade him at the deadline we've talked with that with Chris Tanev the point being what are you if it's 60, 65 games to the deadline. What do those look like if you got a room full of guys that don't want to be there? That's what you said about Coleman and Markstrom. Like, it's easy to say, well, you got to play. What's Coleman going to do?

But if you're Coleman and you're going, oh. Mm-hmm. Huh. Looking around the room. Yeah. Well. Well, I don't know. Left Tampa Bay after winning.

Going to a contender. Texan, hey? Yeah. So that's the latest. We're obviously keeping a sharp eye. Listen, the one nice thing about me is I don't let my emotions get the best. True. That's what I love about you, more than anything.

Some Flames news, apparently some people are like, yeah, I go to Calgary. On the old Twitterverse last night. Mark Savard at M Savvy 91 Hashtag new profile pick throws up pick of the Calgary Flame logo Which got people to I get very sharp

It's like maybe there's something up there Mitch Love, we told you yesterday He leaves to go to Washington to be an assistant coach And it looks like Mark Savard are going to be an assistant coach For Ryan Huska here in town We'll see Former NHL Center of course played four seasons with the flames Lifted the Cup in 2011

as a member of the Boston Bruins. Following retirement, he returned behind an NHL bench as an assistant with the St. Lus Blas in 1920. And the last two seasons as head coach of the Windsor Spitfires in his first year behind the Windsor bench led the Spitfires to the OHL final.

19-20? 2020? 2019? Whatever, yeah. Yeah, how do those seasons work? I don't know. Anyway, he was there. He was there.

Good. So there you go, savvy. It's just everybody's coming home. Everybody's, where's Tangs? I said Tangs. I'm not, I, I almost would have thought it would have been Tangs, but Savvy's kind of that same genre. Yeah.

And Tangs already has an NHL job. That's true. So there is that. Meanwhile, one of the names we had heard kind of floated around as a potential fit his head coach here, he has landed in, New Jersey. Travis Green will be an assistant to Lindy, your boy Lindy, with the New Jersey Devils. So there's that. NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman recommending players not wear themed jerseys for pregame warmups

anymore. No more hockey fights cancer, no military nights, no pride jerseys, all of it gone. Last season, a few players declined to wear them. Got very controversial. They were lamb-baseded for their choices and then fingers were pointed and it was awkward and Gary says, we don't want that anymore. So they will still have the specialty nights. They are not eliminated. Just wearing special jerseys in warm-up has been eliminated. They will still be- They will still be manufactured and sold to raise money for charity, but no longer will they be worn pregame. So some people are upset about it. Some people. On both ways. You know what it is? People get upset. Yeah, I snap. Thank you, Nashville.

Yes. Fox sakes. Tonight, Canadian for all the first last night, Canadian Football League, the BC Lions. A rare feat, a win over the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. There it is. 30 to 6.

The last time a CFL West Division team beat the bombers in Winnipeg was 2018. The old Saskatchewan Rough Riders. Got done. in Winnipeg. Lions, pretty good start. Three and O for the second straight year.

Their defense has been dominant. They crushed what the Elks last week and then Winnipeg this week. So they're in good, they're in a good spot tonight. Montreal visiting Hamilton. Now, of course, Bole Levi Mitchell.

We know we don't, availability is kind of up in the air. But what we do know is that the Tiger Cats and their marketing department seem to know their fans and what they enjoy. in the city of Hamilton. Two drinks a week, what's that going to do for you?

I mean, that doesn't even get you through a day. A reasonable amount if you're, I mean, if you're at home, you'd be able to have like four beer. That's just, that ain't, that's just two more. I mean, I'll have six. From what I hear in Hamilton, the hammer, the pregame, can get insane at $5 a beer. Are you nuts?

Let's rock this. You go right to the concession stand. they're waiting for you they're waiting for you to get on with the party remember folks the five dollar specials around the concourse get out there five dollar beers rock and roll get ready for the game and you can't handle the tiger tooth I love it the tiger tooth I love it there it is yeah you can't handle it red well I can't because I remember seeing this dude it was a while ago on on the news I don't even remember what it was you

were limited down any beer you can drink whatever the hell it was and he was like this is bullshit like I could drink I could drink six today you let how much time you got so there he is I feel like all of us know this guy all of us all of us have at least one of these guys in our life with the the long hair a little bit of metal you know some heavy metal there for sure he's got some, some slayer in his, in his car.

The car has got T-tops, and he is definitely cheering for the Hamilton T-Cats. That guy's a beauty. He's wicked. The Ty-Cat tooth. I'm now of Ty-Cats fan. I wonder how many of those Ty-Cat teeth he has,

because it's clearly not a full deck. How often does he lose him? How often does he brush him? Stan Peters, they've got the riders coming in tomorrow. Looks like it's going to be a nice fat crowd, as it should be over at McMan. Is that in Calgary? Mm-hmm.

Oh, I was the truck. Okay. You were going to go if it was in a janitor? If I'd have gotten my car and started driving, I was going to try to make that guy in a new giant. There's a lot of things you were going to be doing. Sunday, Toronto is in Edmonton to play the Elks. Right? Elks, Elks, plural.

NBA draft retro was last night. San Antonio had the first overall. had the first overall pick Victor Wembenyama. Went at the very top. The Toronto Raptors, meanwhile, had pick number 13. With the 13th pick in the 2003 NBA draft, the Toronto Raptors select Grady Dick from the university. Interesting electric suit in the green room tonight.

Grady Dick from Kansas is on his way to Toronto. He's already wearing the Raptors color. The suit is as electric. has his three-point shoot. I mean, the two go hand in hand. I love that. Well, Rhett. Is this a total we're not in Kansas anymore moment?

A little nod to Doris. It's a dick pick for the Raptors at 13. Kansas Jayhawks product averaged just over 14 points, 5.1 rebounds per game. And yes, he is a, he's a unique dude. There's some stuff he did on social media. I'd play it, but we'd get it pulled down. He, uh, dancing and, uh, jumping around. He's, he's a fun young man.

There you see is, uh, his suit. And being the internet, being what it is, of course, the internet's going to have it say. Um, let's take a look, uh, when you're the only one in the theater who's dressed up to see Blades of Glory. There was a lot of figure skating drafted 13th, but. could move into the top 10 after the free skate. Yeah, it does have that kind of vibe to it. Waiting for your scores after missing your triple axle. He's got very upset there for sure.

And, uh, Grady Dick looking like he's about to do a Vegas magic show involving a tiger. It's a bit of, uh, Sigfried and Roy vibes there for sure. So, hey, he said it was something about, you know, Dorothy had red shoes. So this is his, uh, there's a, I don't know what the hell he was talking about. He's got balls. He's got something. Or, or, to golf.

Ryan Pinder, not the only one golfing today. It's the Travelers Championship at the TPC River Highlands. And yesterday, Rory McElroy, first achievement of his career. Let's take a look. Let's check in on, Rory. Look at the people out there. Yep. They always show out for this event. They really do. It's a real community event. Ho! Ho! Ho! Oh! Well, that's one way to solve the putting woes.

Take the putter out of the equation and ace! For Rory McElroy on the 8th hole from 218 yards. They're so happy for him. That's the first time he has hit a hole in one on the PGA tour. Prior to this tournament, McElroy attempted more than 3,200 T-shots on par 3s and never jarred it until yesterday. You ever come close? Yeah. I don't. I guess it can happen to anyone.

You just got to keep swinging, right? You really do. That's the great thing about golf. Yeah. On any given day, you could have that one swing and hit a hole in one and say, hey, I'm just like the best in the world at this. Right? I don't have much confidence that it's going to happen for me. There's not many of those having golfed at all.

Probably once in a, I think I played in a alumni tournament last May or March or whatever the hell it was. It's now truly one of those, because it used to be, hey, we got a golf tournament. You and do you guys want to come? Ah, you know, we'll see it. And then you, the imitations are few and far between anymore. Oh, you guys were at the host.

Was that yesterday? Yeah, that was that big tournament. Oh, I used to getting invited to that one. And finally, College World Series is winding down. Florida Gators advanced to the final. They were awaiting the winner of the LSU. Wake Forest game from yesterday.

Wake Forest, the number one ranked team in the country. Scoreless in the 11th. It's extras retro. Q Tommy Tanks. Tommy White. They call him Tommy Tanks. What is that little pouch on the belt? One of those, uh, I don't know what that is.

You put your, put your weed in there? I'm not sure what that is. Is it only, do they have them or is it just Wake Forest? I don't, what is that? It looks like, uh, kind of looked like they all had it. I don't know, maybe it's, uh, put your cell phone waiting for important. If he's walking it off, why are those guys staying on the field? They're in, they are in shock.

They were the number one ranked team. You lost. They can't look at, they're just in disbelief. So LSU, Florida will play a best of three starting tomorrow night. Who you got? Florida. Florida guy. Yeah, you're a big Florida guy.

How do you feel about the metal bats? I don't think they need them. I thought they were too dangerous. I thought that was, you're going to kill somebody with aluminum bats or with metal bats. You're going to kill somebody on a comeback. I feel like the boys and the bigs use a wood bat. These guys should be able to use a wood bat. Come on.

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and I don't know if Pinder was the person to be mad at. Oh, it's, I thought he's always the guy. Okay. Because you know what? Here's the thing. So many people get mad at him. It just, it just falls right off of him. It doesn't even phase him.

No. And it wasn't that his opinions were even wrong about it. He was keeping being very level headed. Then that's what annoyed me. I'm like, who are you to pretend this is all good? There are not many who enjoy the art of debate more than that guy. And what helps is he. always believes he's right.

Oh, he has to be right. And he will fight you to the death. To the death. Whereas here, whereas here he was just kind of, I'm going to argue with Red a little bit. Well, you know, that sort of thing. He just really, you know what? I said it yesterday and he didn't like, he did the draft show with the two draft guys. So now he just wants all the draft picks.

Yes. He wants 32 first round draft picks. There's really good players. Yeah. Got to get these guys. I got these are the they traded Pelche and Phillips and Coronado

and Markstrom what did they get? The 15th overall pick fucking awesome. Love it. So great. It's a pick.

Come on. Give me some picks. He gets on these tangents. He goes down. We all do. I guess so. The thing is it depends who he's talked to.

If he talks to a goalie coach, then he's a goalie. expert. And if he talks to a draft guy, then he's a draft expert. I could tell you about this draft. It's one of the strongest. Okay. All right. And I'm too old and tired to even fight anymore. I just kind of let him go. Catch and release. Amazing. The people he talks to are 100% more brilliant than yeah. It's really something. What's the groundhog day animal? Remember his voice used to be better? Yeah, he had a great voice. He had that nose thing.

Deviated septum. Something, yeah. Sinuses or something like that. I'm not sure when it is. The groundhog, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Maybe we need to take him and get that soft palate worked on. He's liable to get punched in the nose, so it might be.

And he's in Edmonton, too. That'd be so great. It'd be so great. Mike Smith walks up to him and just like whack a mole just clonks him right on top of the getting head. It's amazing with all the shit he's talked about people that he hasn't been suckered somewhere because he's always out where there's booze around. He's always frolicking around at bars and clubs and stuff and everyone's hammered. He has shit talked so many people how he hasn't taken one right in the right in the moth. It is a minor miracle.

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Great spot. Outdoor. Dot dental is the website. Um, there's a few things going on. I saw this picture and I saw your buddy and we can throw it up there now for it was, uh, we kind of do McLeod law this day in in flames history. And that's kind of, it's kind of a flames tie in, but look at your boy. Look at your boy. Jeff Sanderson.

No. That's Doug McClain. Doug McLean right there. You're on a small screen probably. You can't see him. It was on this date and whatever year it was. I said, I didn't shit. I didn't write it down.

It was in Calgary. It was the expansion draft for Columbus and what Minnesota, right? That's what happened today. I can't believe I didn't write that down. I got the picture. I got it all figured out and I didn't. But there it was. It was held in Calgary on this date where the blue jackets went through.

And there you see. Jeff Sanderson. Jamie Pusher. Turner Stevenson. Matthew Schneider. Would that be a young Kevin? Robert. The why?

Kevin Adams? Yes. Yes. Kevin Deneene probably a Jason Williams, not Justin. And there you see the the goaltenders. Taberatchi, Shabbat, and Rollison.

And it was on the other side where the Minnesota Wilde selected Mike Vernon and sent him to Calgary on this day. So it was kind of a trade. So Vernon comes back to Calgary. And also on this date, we had talked about it, I don't know if you were on that day, when Val Burray, it was his

birthday, but Val Bure traded for the large human and Rob Niedermeyer on this date. That was the large human and Val Buret for Niedermey, right? Because he went to Florida from here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's gonna say, oh, okay, that makes more sense. Val went to Florida to play with his brother, Pavel. And then Pavel got traded to the Rangers later that season. So he was like, dude, you're leaving me?

What are you doing? so there you go Doug McLean he's living a good life in PEI on a beach in Florida on a beach the food theiesta

he was good to you hey very good yeah nice guy very good give me a Doug McLean's story when he made me cry and start to send me back Saskton

yeah is there a Nice story. Maybe a good story. We dumped the Gatorade bottle on him. That was good. What about the time after before game one in Colorado and we'd had our team meal and he walked over and said, maybe you should come home with me and. All right. Yeah.

He's not dumb. Different era. Yeah. He's not dumb. So this day in flames history. I mean, kind of a roundabout way. I didn't realize that the expansion draft was held in Calgary that year. Not sure why, but there it was.

McLeod Law, you know Peter Klein at McLeod Law as the personal injury guy, but did you know he's also the go-to guy in Calgary for your disability insurance claim? If your long-term disability insurance company is refusing to pay insurance benefits to you, you can get mad, and then you call Peter. It's the only thing. He will get you the disability benefits you paid for and that you deserve. He gets your peace of mind back. It's the only, there's, it's what, it's the, the peace of mind.

Like we say, it's the peace of mind knowing that he is on your team and on your side and fighting for you. He's a great teammate. He's a great guy. Peter Klein, the cloud law. 403-25438. 64 is the website. There you see the email address and the web. Had lunch with Peter Klein the other day.

Good folks. tacos. Pinder had tacos. I had the spicy California roll delicious yeah and it was one of those things you know how if you're going out for lunch with people and you don't want to look like a big fat sweat hog and order everything on the menu so you have food before you go I wanted to mention Connie and John's pizza Connie and John's charcutt is very well established well known in the Calgary community they got a pizza place just over

on in Mardaloupe. You'd like this pizza, buddy. They sent over a couple wheel the other day. Connie and John's pizza. You know what I'm giving it? Two of those. Two thumbs up. Kind of a thinner crust.

I'm going to guess it's in some, like the brick oven maybe. Yeah, the Napoleon style or whatever. And the pepperoni, it had a ton of pepperoni. And the little pepperonies did this. Oh, I like when the cup fried them up. The cup, doing the cup with the little grease in there. It's so good. So good.

I'm starving. What time is it? Time to eat. It is time to eat. We'll do some vina nova. We'll do some betwi. Actually, you know what? This is what I want to do right now because I called up a map.

Because are we still, are we doing this next week? You're going to drive to Nashville, hang out, and then we'll drive back to Calgary. Nope. I got in a car. I got in a car today full of luggage and I made it seven minutes and 42 seconds.

You serious? So you're packed and ready. You're just... My vehicle was full. Turned around. Seven minutes. Cooler filled. Lunch is made.

Come on, boys. We're in the road. I got a picture. Yeah. I thought you're bullshit. No. So why did you like? Road trip.

Oh, dude. See, like, it's still. I got hitting ahead a lot. I was going to say, I'm laughing and I feel bad for laughing because I feel like there's something wrong with you. There is. I feel it's like, God,

all those years, we just laughed and we thought he was funny. And now look at him. Yeah, It's some sort of... Some nurse is feeding them soup. For sure. For sure.

So it's not too late to change your mind because I'm just looking... So there's Nashville. So from Nashville, we could go up through Kentucky or go straight west into Missouri. If you go through Illinois, then it's Iowa, South Dakota. I feel like that's kind of the boring way to do it. Maybe we zip down a little bit. Can we go a little further south? That gets you through Arkansas and Oklahoma.

Arkansas. What the hell you're going to do in Arkansas? Oklahoma is it hurricane or tornado season? I'm not going to the hurricane alley. Where can we go? We'll go to then can we go to Kentucky? No. Because it's right there.

You can go wherever that you want. Because if we went if we went through Kentucky, then if you've got, we can see some baseball along the way is what I'm kind of getting at. You got Illinois that we get hit Wisconsin. What? What is what are you talking about? Illinois? Chicago?

Oh, we can't go over. Tough town now. Rough time. Come on. Come on. They got cubbies. The Ivy. Have you checked the news out of Chicago lately?

I don't, right? Not a great spot to be hanging your hat. I don't read the news or listen to it or watch it. It's way better this. Stabbing? and shootings then. Like, it's not good. And you would not fit in.

They would for sure get you. For sure. I thought this was going to be, going to be some buddies. Where are the Brewers? Milly Wauke. I'm telling you, we go from Nashville. We could go up through.

We'll get some, we'll just really mind our P's and Q's. We won't say anything, but we'll go see the cubbies. In and out, quick, hot dog. We'll leave at the stretch if we need to. Whatever. I just, we'll hear it take me out to, to root root for the cubbies and then we'll leave if you need i don't give a shit like i said

give her man i'm not going we'll go up through i made it no you're not hearing you i thought you got your update on your hearing from hearing loss and you were all good i had seven minutes in the car and i was done i'm not driving so that's what turned you around was that you just you just can't I'm out. This is stupid. 35 hours? No. Buy a flight.

So are you just going to sell your car down there then? Why? Are you never going to bring, like, are you never coming back to Calgary or your vehicles never? I wasn't, it wasn't, I don't, that's, those are big decisions to be made. I haven't made those decisions. That's, that's, I wasn't going to drive it back with two kids. just to go to Saskatoon they wanted to go to saskatoon i see here's drive to nashville we'll hang out you fly back to calgary all drive all drive i've never i've always wanted to kind of do that

drive through i've never been to any of those states you fly into a city you leave they're called fly over states for a reason dean i'm aware go hang my hat and jefferson city for a little bit yeah maybe check out topeka you know hello lincoln nebraska swing over by wyoming i'll put some k's on the rig let's go great the rug doesn't need any go on let's let's let's let's let's stretch stretch out the old legs on the yukon there let's let's do it fuck we'd have such a good time we would for about an hour no we you know what start and then it'd be like No. And certainly not after three nights in Nashville. Here's what it would be. Okay. We get to leave Pinder behind. Right. Pinder's going, whatever. He can beat it.

You and me, Nashville, maybe we stay another day in Nashville just to kind of whatever. Then we hit the road. Listen, we got some Chris Stapleton on the radio. We're having some soup and sandwiches along the way, some great road snacks. We'll call some guys some guys along the way have some laughs. You can sleep in the backseat. I'll drive for a bit. You're calling in Nebraska again. No, just whatever. Just good mutual friends. We'll call Cooney. We'll have a laugh. We'll check in on Wilms. See how he's doing you do want a road trip. I want a road trip.

This is not the one that's happening. No. It's too tight to turn around. We won't be back for free agency. It's the internet, dude. We'll just find an internet somewhere, and we'll do it from the road. We're doing shows in Nashville. We'll just do shows from Boulder. Colorado? Yeah.

If we go to Colorado, we'll be all wiped out by the free dope. Cheyenne? You ever been to Cheyenne? Cheyenne feels like the wrong way. Because if we go straight shot, West, we can maybe dip down

and do a little Little Rock, Arkansas and still make Cheyenne and still make Cheyenne left that phone dangling off the hood. We'll get some George straight going retro. Then I'd have to drink, so I'll be a passenger.

That's fine. You ever been to New Mexico? I've always wanted to go to Santa Fe. Another spot you can go by yourself. How about, can I interest you? Santa Fe is no, what the hell you're totally out of, go the wrong way. go to Mexico?

Could I interest you in a little Albuquerque? Nope. There's nothing to do there. That's why no one lives there. It's like a million people in New Mexico. Where's Route 66? I don't know, but this is bad. I got to go.

I got to, what are you talking about? Show's over. Wrap it up. Can we get on a boring? Nice. Just want to spend a little time with my buddy. You're boring, everybody. 66.

We're not boring, everybody. People are loving this. What is Route 66? Give me a map. It just turned it up. We got... Quit boring, everyone. You sons and bitches.

Look at me. Try to be a buddy. Where can we get on... You're going to talk to yourself soon, so. What's the nearest place we can get on old Route 66? Because, yeah, I get through Illinois, Missouri, Oklahoma. Oh, man.

You're not digging this? No. Let's go to Winnipeg. Road trip. Those are the road trips I get. What's in Santa Fe? I don't know. What's between Calgary and Winnipeg?

That's my road trip. Punch me in the face. Let's do your belly bets. And we'll get out of here. Tonight. Well, we saw what's going to be going on in Hamilton. They got $5 beer night. So I'm taking the.

Tycats minus two and a half. Tie cats, minus 110 win by a field goal. And then to tomorrow, Saskatchewan at Calgary. I'm going to say, I'm getting a little point five. Saskatchewan keep it within a field goal,

plus three and a half minus 115. It's a little early in the CFL season. And of course, everybody doesn't play every week, So you got some teams that have played two and some have played three and some have played one. It's, you know, it's the CFL. Betway app on your phone, why wouldn't you get it?

Go get that Betway app, bet the responsible way, be responsible in all things in life, and especially when it comes to Betway, the official gaming, our betting partner, our gaming partner here at Barnberger and with Flames Nation. So now, next week is draft week. we Pinder I are going to Nashville

we have a show on Monday Pinder did his draft show that will run as our show on Tuesday because we are we're traveling all day what do you have planned for the Tuesday show we got to draft show for Tuesday right Wednesday Thursday Nashville

let's go we will be The showtime will be pushed back a half an hour because basically all of the nation network is going down to Nashville. Everybody is going. So it's Leifes, it's Ottawa, it's everything. So we are going to be on at 10.30 Wednesday, Thursday only next week to accommodate for Frank Cerevelli and Daily Faceoff live. Nashville. Mm-hmm. That's right.

So 10.30 shows. And then on Friday, me and you from Topeka. Crickets. We have a trade to announce. So what are, if you were, if you were to take a guess, because you do control you, what is going on with you in the next 10 days? I'm not driving back to, to Western kids.

Canada. I'll say that. Are you really not? Like you packed the car to drive to Canada. It was hockey equipment and clothes. It's not like it was. But what I'm saying is you didn't run out to go grab milk. No, no. You were planning to drive back. What did the kids say? Like, how did you turn around? What did something happen? Or you just kind of, eh. I felt guilty because my oldest has a New York State hockey camp in Oswego on Sunday. And I'm like, what am I driving that? It's New York. Okay. Albany.

Yeah. Like towards that Lake Georgia, it's supposed to be quite nice. So I feel guilty about that. And then I'm like, if you two idiots aren't in Calgary, what am I? True. There's not a lot of sense in doing that. So that was part of it. And then my one kid goes, I'm nervous.

I might get car sick. Well, that's that. So how did you even get seven minutes out? Turn around. Turn around. Find of light. So, come on. What?

Come to Nashville. Now you're not coming to Calgary. Come to Nashville. I could, but I'm not discussing it with you right now. I got to go. It's 1.30. The show's running late again. It's, what are you talking about running late?

these shows are getting shorter by the day you wouldn't have fun going on a roadie with me i don't know like we'd eat it's a lot of days we'd hit some some roadside bars and you've got enthusiasm today what happens i'm telling you Nashville's going to kick you in the ass and then you're going to be like get me home like i know you You aren't going to be as gunhole as you. It's not a slight. Nashville will kick the piss out of a lot of people. It's not a slight.

But I don't think you are going to have the same amount of enthusiasm for this road trip on next Friday as you do today. This guy here is dead. I think you're wrong. I think you're incorrect. There will be hangovers and there will be less the feeling subpar. but there's nothing like just kind of other side of it settling into a big rig with a nice big with a massive hangover filling ill and realize you got 40 hours to go but we're in no rush i don't like trips when you're in rush this is be the back for the the fourth we got to do

you said we got to do the the draft the agency show again i'm not even bullshitting we can do the show from wherever. I'm taking all this shit to Nashville anyway to do a show. We'll just do the other part of the equation is how I'm going to be feeling and I know how I felt the last time leaving Nashville and it sure as hell wasn't let's drive 30 hours. We did. I would need four days in a spa being pampered and then we could do the drive. This can all happen. This is we're in no rush to get back. that's the this never happens you always got to get back for work you got to get back for work we can work from the road man well if we can work from the road we can work from the road whenever that we want so it doesn't have to tie into nashville your my my heart hurts a little bit i'm doing what's right

for you you know it all right buddies have a great uh is it the weekend yeah it is my goodness ruined. No one said you can't drive back. It's Pinder. Seale Monday buddies. Have a great weekend.