Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Tyler Toffoli Trade Reaction Live From Nashville | FN Barn Burner - June 27th, 2023

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

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All right, buddies, welcome to Nashville. We've made it. We're here. We did it. And of all the people who really don't have reason to bitch and complain, it's us today, because there were thousands of people who had shitty travel days today. Twitter was full of people missing flights and connections. Somehow, some way O'Hare was good to us.

It's maybe because I was so positive. I had positive vibes going. That's true. Positive vibes only. We have made it here to the site of the NHL draft, the awards the other night. Today is Tuesday makes tomorrow round number one. It's not Tuesday for much longer, Dean.

I don't know. It's this Wednesday, Thursday thing, but we'll get our heads wrapped around it. So we leave Calgary today, apparently before the power outage shut down the airport. So we're... Dodge a bullet there. Dodge a bullet there. Landed in Chicago to get word that the Calgary Flames had made a trade. Now, without knowing, where would you have put Tyler to Foley in the...

In the pecking order of guys that were going to go, if they were going to go, who was going to go first? Well, I would have thought if DeFoli was going to go this early, it would be for something in this draft, like, okay, we got a first, let's do this. To be fair, I thought, Hanifin's a guy you've got confirmation on what you know is going to happen. That was what I would expect to be the first. And you'd love Lindholm to be before the draft because the kind of crop it is, but we're also here. They're in a holding pattern, waiting for Lindholm. So I don't think it'd be a huge surprise, but I wouldn't put them one. That's for sure.

have had him at two through four probably he felt to me like if there was a guy that you could carry into the season and potentially get max value out of was going to be trade deadline i agree here here we are um it's hard to know and i've said this to you a couple of times we know yager sharongovich and a third round pick for tyler to foley i like the trade for the new jersey devils i get why they make this trade the third was kind of uh they got it in the in the severson thing from a couple weeks ago And they had a number of forwards who had kind of leapfrog Sharon Govich on the pecking order. So I get what Tom Fitzgerald was doing. I guess the question is, how do you feel about it from a flames fan's perspective?

Yeah, and I think this is the challenging part is that I don't think the Calgary Flames traded for a 13 goal forward. And I don't think that 24-year-old season, Igor, Sharonovich, is what they're trying to add. And so how you feel about this trade is probably a reflection of how you feel about Igor Sharonovich. to be fair we hardly saw the guy heard the guy's name and I immediately started thinking of yonis stigenthel or a defenseman like a lot of letters there's a lot of asses and vowels and spin the wheel and uh toolsy when you look into him and a guy that certainly got some of the traits you like he's six years younger than to foley he can really fly great skater he shoots it a ton but he's 25 he's only got three years in the league and he just had 13 goals this is clearly not what

Craig Conroy wants, a 13-goal middle-six winger. And what your, if the flames aren't crazy, they think there's more there. And I think there's reason to think there's more there, but we don't know. He is completely an unfinished product. Whereas Tautiful, you know exactly what he is, right? He can slot into your top six. He's a lethal finisher. He can play the right side. And he's coming off a career high of 34 goals. The only year better was a 44-goal pace with Montreal in that pandemic shortened season. You know what Tofoli is. You typically get a sense of what a third rounder is.

About a third of the time to 20% of the time. Somewhere in there, they pan out to NHLers. The biggest question mark in this deal is the principal piece for the Calvary Flames. So I think they like them, but we don't know a bunch about them. They have to like them because if you're committed to trading Tyler Tofoli, which clearly they were, is this a trade that you had to get done today? Did you feel like you could feel the ground shaking the teams were rushing to get Yeager Sharon Govich that you might miss out?

on this guy they have to have they have to have to have targeted this guy to a certain degree and this look it's it what do you get in are you getting the 24 got goal guy from two years ago or what you had this last year for whatever reason he either fell out of favor or tumbled down he was on the power play he was playing with Jack Hughes he was getting top minutes and then somewhere over the course of this season whether was Lindy Ruff whether it was the power play he then became a penalty killer more than a power play guy and fell out of the top six altogether well and and what

the devils do from two years ago to last year they went from a team that missed the playoffs to a team that would won their division or at least was close to winning their division Carolina i believe gets them at the end of the season or hangs on holds off from from them but point being they were a deeper club and he got passed and you know they brought in palat and they saw sort of the well so many guys right all these other guys and and so if you want to be worry warr you're thinking geez is this guy only a top six on a team that's going to miss and is he going to get past when they're more competitive or geez look at the surroundings you want to be positive it's like this was just a bad setup for him he lost a lot of his minutes for whatever reason and he's only one season removed from 24 goals in his second year in the NHL it really is if you don't like it or you do like it you can find anything you want for this thing the even strength points differential between him and to Foley the last two three years not that much the real difference is an elite power play weapon the other thing was two years ago they're almost identical numbers he's six years younger I don't know I mean

If you can tell me what we're going to see in three years from this guy and what his contract looks like, it's a lot easier to know. We don't even know he's getting paid. To me, I don't, to me it's not a comparison to what To Foley is or was. Yeah. He's moving on. Right. So it's what are you going?

I want to compare, Sarah, Yerngovic, whatever his freaking name is, got him said it so many times today, to what else is out there. And I know that Flames fans are disappointed because I think they thought this is going to be a first and what else. You see what Dubois got. You see what some of these other players are getting. Yeah. We were off or the flames are off on this because it felt like there was going to be between the season that Tofoli was coming off of. Just leader, guys won cups and the cap hit is manageable. Yeah.

Do you eat some cap to get a better return on it? I just wonder why this deal happens today, Tuesday, because I know Craig Conroy had said it kind of came together in five or six hours. Wow. It's kind of a kind of hard. It's a bit of a head scratch. I'm not saying I don't like it. It's an Eastern conference guy on a team that we don't, you just don't pay a lot of attention.

I don't to the New Jersey Devils. And if you recall, they played him twice early last season. It's a long time since the Flames have played this guy and seen him. I think it was part of that seven game losing streak. They lost at home, one on the road. And without Tannib, they lost again in New Jersey like a week later. And they looked like a deep group that was way better than last year. And that's the team he leaves.

And I agree with your point. It's not what is Sharon Govich versus Defoli. it's what else could you have got? The question I have is if someone dangled number 29 in this draft, do the flames like this package more than that or not? Where do they see the ledges? Where does the late first, not nearly as valuable as picked 12, 19, 24? We're really getting into the weeds here.

But I think the only takeaway you can have is that the flames really like this guy. Otherwise, it doesn't really make a ton of sense. Is 25 old? When I saw 25, I was kind of, he's a little older than I would like. He turned 25 24 days ago or something like that. So he's just 25. I would look at years in the league and what his development path is. This is a big guy with a lot of tools and he's played three seasons.

He was an overage guy when they drafted him in round five and then played with Dynamo, Minsk or whatever in the KHL and had some growth there. But as you know, for kids, it's hard in the K, playing with men. And then comes over and then started to blossom. But this last year is a puzzler for sure. Because if you have a player that has chemistry with a guy like Jack, Hughes, it's fine that you've got Mercer and McLeod and all these other, it's depth. You can move that depth. But he's a guy that, and Palat, they have plenty of guys.

He's a guy that his role changed. Yes. And it's, I mean, Lindy Roth's been around a long time. And Andrew Burnett, these are guys that know what they're doing. So it's not a red flag, but there is a little bit of buyer caution there for me. Yeah, for sure. And not often you see a guy go 13 goals, 24 goals, back to 13 goals. Oh, he's getting here.

Look at him, take off. What's going on there? But I know just, again, doing this on an airplane, just kind of looking at the points per, you know, it's because his ice time and responsibilities went down. He lost that power play time. He lost three, four minutes a night in some cases. It's going to be hard to match that same production. What we do know is that the opportunity will be greater in Calgary.

There is opportunity for more of a top six role. He will be utilized on the power play, I'd be guessing, given that Tofoli, a key producer is gone, and that really there isn't this overflowing supply of creative offensive players. They've got really good shot, really good skater, and now you've got to figure out what a deal looks like. He's eligible to become an unrestricted free agent in two years,

and I don't think they want to give him the two. If you really like this guy and you think you've got something here, maybe try to lock him in to four plus years, we'll see. This is only the first little nugget of this deal because we don't know what the cap it is, and we don't know how long he's committed to being here, nor what he looks like as a Calgary flame. There was also the notion in Conroy's availability, I believe, with 960 after it, that he can play the middle, not just left wing, but he can play all three, four positions.

You look at where they're at down the middle. If Lindholm is gone and Backland is gone, you have Nazim Qadre and nobody else. I know you could slide Dubay to the middle, maybe, but I wonder if they don't give that a try, and maybe that's just out of a dearth of options elsewhere, but a versatile forward is how they view them, that's more than we have in terms of intel. I know that they were happy with him in New Jersey from that penalty killing standpoint.

They were very happy. They were strong on the penalty kill and they liked what he was doing. I just guess he wouldn't like that role when you're riding shotgun with an elite center and Jack Hughes, and then all of a sudden you're in the third line and killing penalties.

100%. I think that's totally fair. I don't know that the player dictated any of that, but clearly the flames are saying, we could play this guy here up the lineup. We can give him more minutes. He will be more valuable to us than he will be to you. And I think that's something we'd all understand at this point.

I think he's got arb rights too. You're not going to, so if he goes to arbitration, just assume, what does a 13 goal guy get in today's? They would look at the last few years, but yeah, it's not something you're afraid of. And the notion that the devils were in some pickle that got undone here. I don't really buy that. I think Tafoli will end up having the higher cap hit out of this transaction,

not the opposite. And I think if you're the flames, you want nothing to do with our one or two year settlements, you want to buy some UFA years while you can. This is a buy low opportunity on him potentially. If he's going to be a 25-guy goal again, 25-goal guy again, imagine coming to your terms of them coming off a 13-goal season. That's the opportunity they have in front of them here. A Belarusian. Minsk is in Belarus.

I know. I love Belarus. There you are. Delicious. Delicious. Delicious. So that deal is done. They gave up a first to get to Foley.

They get a player in a third back. and interestingly the third is their pick that they had shipped out originally to get calli yarn crow so the third went from calgary to seattle to a third party to new jersey and then back to calgary it's a lot so hard the pick came home welcome home welcome home pick and home third if you i saw this on twitter if you like a good conspiracy theory you cannot offer sheet players with other team's picks the flames have got their first their second and their third go crazy and internet. Yeah, Conroy seems like a guy that's going to kick the door in with an offer sheet right now. We haven't had a chance to really mingle or kibbits, but I don't think that this has anything. I don't, this isn't a deal. I just felt like this was going to get done at some point. Do you feel like this is a domino effect that's going to happen necessarily now? Because I don't either. Lindholm's a domino in the sense that I don't know that this team can be competitive without him. And that changes how you view all these other assets. Tafoli had asked out,

he's now out. I don't think the asking price here has anything to do with a centerman that plays number one minutes in his prime or a 25, 26 year old defenseman in his prime. Totally different equations and I think we still, I like their chances of making a splash tomorrow Wednesday ahead of round one

of the draft where if they can add a second pick again, getting annoying, class for the ages you know what though? This is one less opportunity. It's one last crack to get in there. I don't know. We may have been way off. Only Craig Conroy and the guys behind those doors know what the offers were for Tyler

to fully and maybe to think that they were getting a first is crazy talk it just they paid a first to get him at such a great season and for a contending team to add the toolsie and a good guy and leader and cup all of this they must like Sharon Govich the only thing we will agree on tonight is that we need a drink it's muggy and they must really like Sharon Govich yeah and one less crack to get in that first round and the clock is now ticking. We're less than 24 hours from pick one.

This is true and I don't think it'll be an issue to get a first for Hannafin. It's going to be where is it in round one? What other things can you get added? Are we talking about B prospect? Is there a roster player that comes back? One thing I did think about, we talked about are they rebuilding,

are you going back all in with this group which looks harder to do with the request they've had? This is one of those deals that kind of walks that tightrope of still competitive in the present, but also getting younger. Those are tough deals to do, and it's a tough thing to maneuver, to shed old guys and stay competitive while you're amassing futures assets. It did that.

He just has to be a player for it to matter. I wonder how much of it, too. And again, I feel like I'm taking kind of a negative slant. I thought the return was going to be more. Obviously, I just did. And then you saw New Hook go for a first and a second. Yes. And completely different players.

I get that, but the huge hall that Winnipeg, I think, got for Pierre Louvre Dubois granted with the extension, but it's, I, it felt like, yeah, this is going to be the bonanza that we all thought it was going to be. And it might still be, maybe you move some other guys, but I don't know. I don't know that a Lindholm trade happens here. I really don't. I don't know that backland, I don't anything. It's Hanifin and I don't know that there's anything else, to be honest.

Well, and look, you might get someone calling you saying, hey, We're sitting on pick 38. We love Zedora of, and you make that move, but I don't think it's front and center, right? Like, this is the draft. Something crazy will happen. And the other thing, you talk about those huge halls. How about Kevin Hayes for free at half price?

Taylor Hall for nothing. Well, Kevin Hayes for a sixth at half price for three years. And Taylor Hall. Like, those aren't bad players. Ryan Jones. They were overpaid and longer in the tooth. And Tepoli's not overpaid, but he's longer in the tooth. And, again, it all depends on the lens that you see Sharon

Govichin. So tomorrow, Barnburner live from Nashville, from not this hotel, not our hotel, but another hotel. A lot of hotels are a lot of hotels. There's a lot of hotels. We're going to be going at 1030-ish. I know you guys love an ish, but Frank Cerberlevelli's doing his daily face off live. He will wrap. We will go live.

Frank will join us off the start on the show tomorrow. See what he's hearing. So for the Wednesday and Thursday editions of the show, 1030 start times live from National. We made it. Buckle up. That's it for now very thirsty. A thousand shineer box please. We'll see you tomorrow, buddies.

That's it from Nashville.