Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - What's Next For The Calgary Flames? | FN Barn Burner - May 24th, 2023

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Oh, we're up and rolling here on whatever day it is. Welcome to the podcast. It is, it's Boomer, it's Warner, it's Pinder in any particular order. Here in the Tower Chrysor Studios, separately together in the Tower Chrysor Studios as we do this thing. For Tower Chrysler, question. So if I want for Tower, Tower Chrysler, if I want to buy a Jeep, can you buy one there? I ask him. Okay.

What if I want to dodge ram, big pick up? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What if I want, like a wagoneer, the Jeep wagoneer. Can I get that there? Believe. I saw one there when I was there last week. Mm-hmm.

What was that? They, that Jeep with the truck truck. That's the gladiator. Yeah, I got those. It's all you, Dean. You're a gladiator. That's me, buddy. Yeah.

Can I ask you something? Go ahead. Are you growing your hair out? I need a haircut. That's on the cooker today. No, no, no. So, okay, I figured that would be your answer, but I thought about it because I noticed it yesterday.

I think maybe it's time for a change. A lot of buck a little. What? Then I'll cut my hair. Dean can be the long-haired hippie. What do you think? Get some flow going? Can we trade it for a Warner mustache?

That'd be cool. I'll grow a stash, baby. Yeah. Look at that, hey? You always talked about that upper lip, Dino. Look at this. Like the chin, meh, no big deal. the upper lip, follicles per square inch.

Yeah. No, nowhere will you find more follicles per capita than on that upper lip. Back to you. Do you think you can, when's the last time you let it back that hair? Oh, like college.

But even then, even then, it was a party in the back only. Well, do it. Momsie might like a little re-capped, you know, a revisit to younger boom.

No, Mumsie's brought it up a few times. When are you getting your haircut? Well, yeah, because it's awkward. Can you get a haircut? Can you... It's awkward stage right now. Is it?

Sorry, I banged the table. Between her. Yeah, it's awkward stage. You got to get through the awkward stage. It's okay. So you're saying, like, mullet, get the mullet going? I just, I'd like to see some flow on that, that head of the world. It looks like he's selling insurance and like he's a personality.

You could do, you have a little more fun, right? Yeah. Get something happening. No, you know what it is? I'm starting to. I'm looking like an old woman is what's happening because the longer the hair goes, the more gray hair there is and the longer it goes, it gets all poofy. Like this.

Die that shit. This here is like, it's as tight as I can get it with whatever the shit you put in your hair is. Like it's without it, it's out to here. I walked by my kid's bathroom the other day and I noticed a welding glue. That's the strength there. I'm like, what is that? What did we have when we were younger? Like, dipity do.

Like, what the hell do we have? We didn't have any of that shit. Sugar water. Yeah, it was, but no, it's the last time I was in for a haircut, it had been a while, and the guy was like, oh, you should, you should let it go. Do like the, like the burkey thing. I'm not ready for the burkey thing.

Why? I don't know. Live it up, boom, boom. Come on. Take a vote. Jack, Jack, Jack, you know how to do a vote thing? Do a vote on the...

Yeah, put it in the old, the chat. Get a poll going here? Yeah, Paul, there you go. That's the word. That'd be great, Jack, thanks. We'll have the results by the end of the show today. Not where I thought we were going to go.

So yes, welcome to the Tower of Chrysor Studios. You know who doesn't have long hair is surge? He takes her down to the wood. He does not need welding glue. It's like... tight all the way around always looking always looking sharp uh so no that's uh that's not got a sorry retro probably going to be haircut uh haircut all right well then cut out sugar like okay then i'll cut the sugar water out uh we've got a lot going on the go today we got a little

mccloud law for you a little bit later on the pinder report we're going to uh the flames hired a gm yesterday who knew and uh there's hockey there was hockey last night and hockey tonight so Has anyone else not been dragged into these two series given they both look like leaping blowouts? I am dragged into the Florida series. And I get that. That's good. My kid loves the Panthers. Actually, here's a debate for the Redster.

You know, he loves the Panthers. I know my buddy Jovo's got a sweet down there. Oh, ho. Do you make the trip? What do you do you? Yes. Let's go. don't do is go to games three and four go to game six well i need to know where the schedule's

out because i got a lot on the go you know you are a busy guy i know no no why would you wait till game six well if you go for three and four you got it you got a few days you want to go you want to go watch a non-illimination game or elimination game you're talking to the redster he can go wherever as many times as he wants like he can go three four one nine he can go to one one time i ended i landed in florida and i stayed for three months no i know one time. Well, wasn't it, it was. And you went to the fucking Scottsdale for another month or two.

Holy shit. I had a nice deal. I had a great deal on a house. I couldn't leave. I was like Chuck was saying, his old man went down and he was staying at his place in Florida for games one and two. Like, you know, we're not there, right? So yeah, just hanging out with the house. Just go down.

We don't have home ice, though. Don't care. We'll be here when you get here. Whenever that is, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, we'll be here. Just leave the key under the mat and we'll be fine. And I would think it's got to be cheap living down there this time of year, right? Hotels in Florida can't be that expensive in late May. Hotter than the, as my dad would have said, hotter than the hubs of hell down there, wouldn't it be?

Hubs. Yeah, I'm going to have to take a few shirts if I'm going to go down there. Tarpless, let the bulldog eat. No. Rank will be a good place. Cool air? Perfect. Yeah, man.

So where would you, because again, it's, we're talking about sunrise. It's not Miami. Yes, for a lot of it, basically. If we're going down, where are we going to stay? What's the best area for proximity to games, but you don't want to stay right there. You can stay right out there by the big, dumb mall. But it's no fun. You don't go in Wales rip, don't you?

That's where you're going. Yeah, the problem with, you could stay near the rib. The Wales rib location would be okay. Probably just Lauderdale, though, because then you can hop on the 590. five head west curve around sawgrass you're there what's the name of the bar that's got the live feed you can always check in on what the hell's happening at the bar it would be the elbow room that's they've had they've had the webcam there since i played oh dear and what do we see on probably a lot the bar and you know back in the day no one knew what about webcams or that they were now people are probably checking in on people i was going to say chat people got in trouble there i'm guessing yeah i see red i see you're in the chat you're chatting as we speak you're in nashville very engaging yes very engaged in the program this is good to see what are you doing in national

jami londmark called me in like february he runs hockey stuff in philly and he said he asked if my oldest wanted to go play in a tournament and i said where and he said nashville and i said Yes. Yes, please. That is the correct answer. So two national trips in like three months. Is that what I'm coming on this one? Oh, ho. Get your dancing shoes.

Get Jared Mulk. Dancing shoes on. Give me one sec. Are you all right there, Dean? You're having a malfunction? Uh-oh. He just quit. He's done.

He's done working with him. Kind of. Can't work in these conditions. Done. At it. I'm looking at the L. elbow room camera right now. They've got a bunch of feats.

They got the beach cam, the patio cam. They've got the band cam where the dance floor is, the bar and then some parking lot filled with semis, which is really boring. But not quite hot yet, Rhett. Not hopping yet. Well, this guy with a guitar,

but I feel like outside's probably the place to be inside right now. Why would you do that to yourself? And it's Fort Lauderdale, not Miami. There you go. Yeah, Miami's too far. Pain in the ass. That dry. All right.

Lots of traffic down there. If there's a fender bender, it can really derail the day. Yeah, the bars, there's one loser there. That's it. Well, that could be us,

we could be that loser. I'd love to be that loser right now. It looks nice down there. Fuck. When are we going on a trip? When's that happening? Next month? Fingers crossed.

Going on a trip in my favorite rocket shoot. What's that one from? Bye. There's a sky. Little Einstein's. Now, Pinder, I have to call you out here. If I was to have said, if I was to have said, you know, I'm not really getting into the hockey. The hockey's kind of, you know, it's like, what are you talking about?

Round one was this and round two was that? You'd be crushing me for suggesting that maybe it isn't great. Now, you're saying that it's not bringing in. First two rounds I love and then I just, I'm fatigued. don't want to watch baseball more. And being a pre-oh is- And you give me shit that we love round one. We do.

I love round two. I get fatigued. I agree. You're not, again, you're talking and not listening. I always say that round one is great. Round two, but by the time you get to round three, there's just four teams left, that it's summer outside. And unless your team is in it, it's hard.

And then you compound it with lopsided situation. then yeah, absolutely it's hard. The weird factor as well is that we had so many blowouts in round two, right? Like they were long series, some of them, but it was like, think of that Dallas, Seattle, 9, 3, 7, 2, 5, 2. Like, it's just like, now we're getting close games, but the series are lopside. It's kind of weird. Now, you said before we came in that it's not like we're cutting video or going through a whole bunch of stuff.

We're talking about in-season versus out-season, but I didn't realize the boomcat has been, burning the midnight oil, breaking tape, trying to get that video scouting job. Yeah, always. So if you, maybe like riot or whoever, if you didn't watch the game last night, it was Dallas and Vegas. In Dallas, we've been talking about how crazy

these Texas crowds are and all of that. A lot happened last night, but rather than tell you what happened, I condensed it for you. You know how it's like J's in 30 or whatever? Oh, that's a good one, yeah. This is Stars in 60. This is kind of how the night went for the Dallas Stars last night, just in case you missed it.

A lot went on. There was a play in the first two games with a lower body injury. Shot and a goal. Marcia So. Fergus. Shut up. Area. Lose their captain.

Blachryce and a goal. Power play goal. Put it on the stick of Carriet and he scores. Not very sharp here in the first seven minutes. He's headed back down the tunnel to get his mask on. A shocking start here. Three goals on Jake Ottinger in the first seven minutes and ten seconds. The Translo scores.

This is so unnecessary. So this is multiple panels against Max Gomi. Oh, it's a smattering of booze. There aren't enough people still here to have it be loud. And those who made the trip in the chair for the golden nights are loving it. Yeah. Not competitive. No.

And Jamie Ben, the captain, did a great job of putting his team down early. No good. The finals. D-U-M. Not even the B, just D-U-M. Ottinger, three goals and five shots, seven minutes and ten seconds into the hockey game. He gets yarded. In comes the old Wedgwood.

Oh, Scottie. And a minute 50, basically. Jamie Ben collides with Mark Stone, comes down with the cross check across the side of the neck, as you heard in the jaw area, and gets five in a game.

And that was... Jaw region. Jarl rule. It was over. It was absolutely over. They were... And Daddanov went down just a brutal night.

You couldn't have had a worse night. What's Otenshire? Deal. I don't know, man. I was a cat last year. Fuck. He was a little. unbelievable against Calgary.

Unbelievable. Couldn't beat them. You know what goalies are though, right? How do you? I know. Honestly, look at two teams that are likely going to go to the final. You got a dude that's been below league average for five years, making $10 million bucks.

Before that he was a stud. No one would have taken this guy at half the money for free. No one. On the other side of guy that's a four stringer that got traded for the fourth rounder this year. Like it's, this is fucking bananas. The goalies that have got you. this far and they're huge parts of how these teams have gotten here.

It's just you couldn't have predicted it. Who could have seen this coming? After that series last year against Dallas, it just felt like stars have got their goalie for the next 10, 12 years. This is their seven. Don't worry about anything. And RFA was about you were kind of beating the just somebody should sign this guy. Offersheet that cat.

Offersheet this guy. And now throughout this playoff, and they've been talking a little bit about it, he's really susceptible up high over the shoulders. Good down low, but that one shot was, it was right in the middle of the net, and he still whiffed

on it. So I don't know what's up with Ottinger. You're probably not going to have Ben for the next game at least. Oh, fuck. As if he's been in this year, that'd be stunning to me. But the only reason I say that is because who knows with the league office. What the hell was

he thinking? I don't know, Red. You tell me. God, what was he thinking? Like, how can you do that? Like, that's such a huge game. Like, what was the score at that point? Does anyone know at the time? I feel like it's one. Nothing. So the game's not out of reach. You win that game. It was a minute 50 into the game. Yeah. And I think Marcia shows goal was like a minute's 11 in. So it's one nothing. And it's like, you're not out of it. This isn't settling scores and setting up the next game. And now instead, it's a huge penalty. And instead of having a chance to make a two one in the series and you're a game way from tying the thing. It's fucking curtains.

D-U-M. I don't know. The first thing I thought of, to be quite honest with you, is that there's been situations in Dallas with him before and the owner, and it's right, yeah. Does it turn into a situation where they're like,

get this guy out of here? As good as he might be, and I like how he plays, and he plays it. And can you even move him? I don't know, but is this one of those spots? where you're like, you're our captain. We're in the semifinals. We're at home down one and you cross-cham one. Check a guy in the face because he bumped into you?

Yeah. I got the video on the Pender Report and there's another stuff post game that fell out as well. Nine and a half a year for two more years. He's 33 today, turns 34 of the summer. I just want to this point. I mean, he's been fine, but yeah, it's. that's there's no there isn't there i saw the math it's like 204 or something is when you're three nothing up in in round three or at least the semifinals even going back to when the playoffs

weren't as deep as they are so this this one's done um both don't fuck aden hill pitching a shutout bobrowski cannot be beaten just absolutely frustrating the carolina hurricanes out of their minds told me what is we got off the phone or the show yesterday. You can't shoot at the net on Bobrovsky. The canes are smart. They're shooting wider the net. Looking for tips.

Neither of these goalies started the postseason for their teams. Yeah. That's another wrinkle. It's not like they're hot coming in. Bobrovsky lost his job to journeyman Alex Lyon, not a prospect. Like Quad A, Alex Lyon played what? Four games in round one?

The only difference I guess, would be, I don't know if Brasua hadn't gotten injured, if he wouldn't be doing the same thing. I don't think Aidan Hill has been, he's been just fine. He's been steady and that's all they've really needed him to be. There's no way the Panthers are anywhere without Bobrovsky. I'd agree with that. And I think to give Vegas credit and Florida as well, like it's, it's been a tougher path for Florida. You had to face the Bruins. Toronto is a really good team that outchance the most of that series. But Brovsky single-handly gets you in a spot to make that a short series.

And it's not a knock on the Panthers. It's just if you're going to play tenacious and well, and then your goalie gets into a zone like this, where you go? Gone. Next round. Do we expect Bobrovsky to be great next year? No, but if he's great for another two weeks.

I know. It's not a criticism. I was thinking about that too. I'm like, he's on a roll. He's going to win a cop. And next year they're going to start him. And halfway through the year, they're going to be going,

Well, what is there? Two, three years left on that and they still got Spencer Knight. Brodowski is going to be so drunk all summer if they win. Trade him. He'll be 240 pounds and just. Con Smyth Stanley Cup trade. Oh, yeah. Oh, weird.

He traded the Con Smyth winner? Yeah, yeah. We caught him actually. This would be the year. Yeah, we just knew he was going to be straight shit after winning. So, hey, thanks, Bob. Here's your ring. Fuck off.

Who wasn't in Dallas before? Who was the guy in Dallas? It took over it. We're not going home. We're not going on. Yeah, yeah. Wow, I got to sign him. He had a great playoff run.

How'd that turn up? Three and a half a year for the Texas stars of the H.L. The last two years. But Bromsky's got two more years, three more years of ten. Oh, my God, three more years. Hey, if he wins you a cup, he did what he was supposed to. 100%. And honestly, as, as, as,

moronic as it was to go Spencer night and then seven days later signed Sergey Ibrahimovsky and spend 14 and a half million on netminding if you want a cup who cares how you got there maybe he'll get hurt I kind of feel for some of those guys on the Dallas team because they didn't have a chance what the hell are you talking about they just talk what I'm what I'm saying last night Ben does what he does kill it off your goalie lets in three on the first five shots. You'd be sitting on the bench being like, what the, guys, what the fuck are we doing?

Well, but the one nice thing about being down three, it was early. You had 50 minutes left. Right? You're down two games to none. Finally, you're back at home. It's not must win, but it's like, guys, we need our best game of the season. So you're in the Stanley Cup semi-finals,

and you give down a few early, and you just say, fuck it, we'll pack it in, pardon my French? I'm not saying that. I just, you'd be sour. You'd be looking up and down the bench and be like, how you can be sour, but we're two minutes into the game. We're seven minutes in, we're down three nothing. Our starters out, our captains in the showers.

How the fuck did we get here? It was, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I agree, but that's for fans to think, not players on the bench. Pavelski is the only guy I feel for. That's a guy that, you know, you get all these types of situations unfold in San Jose. How many runs do they have that fell short? Well, how about Pete DeBoer? Yep.

He's had, what, five semifinals in the last eight years? San Jose at least once, Vegas once or twice, and now this. Was he in Jersey? Yeah. Way back. When they went? Might have been. Yeah, might have been.

And Jamie Ben, not that it means anything, but he doesn't come out and talk after the game. How does that mean so? So DeBoer comes out and does his best, not to even defend. but just to kind of take some of the sting away. Like, a guy made a mistake. He feels terrible. I feel like you should talk. If you're someone that doesn't speak the language or a bit part or, but like you've got a letter on you.

There's a responsibility. And I think yesterday's announcement of Conroy and the talk about a Ginla, there was a lot of talks about Iggy. And I think it was Vicki Hall that used to right for the Harold was saying no matter how bad a loss was. And there were some dark times or Jerome was the leader of that group. He'd always be at his stall ready to talk to the media. Never mind conference finals. Never mind the stakes. Never mind that it wasn't a team that you have to stand up and talk about,

but your own mistake. Like this screams, we can't let him wear the sea next year. It's that type of an egregious fault in my mind. Now, I don't know the room and I don't know Jamie Ben at all, but this doesn't feel like captain behavior. And he's not typically a snapshot, right? He's an intimidating.

He's done a few dumb things, I think. Big, you know, big forward. But yeah, it's, I'm with you. I just, because all the, I would think, you played retro, so I can only imagine that I would think the whole thing would be the importance of this game and our start and all that. Everybody would be talking about, let's have a good start. We need to come home.

We've got to start. And the game isn't two minutes old. And you've cross-checked their captain across the face. Yeah. And the goal is irrelevant. Yeah. In a way, really? Right.

You're down one. Well, that's not. It's your first shift. For price sake. That's not part of it. But the cross check's big because now you're killing for five as well. Like it's a shitty. It's a.

And again, I don't know what he was thinking. Like it wasn't a, there was no oops to it. No. It was a, I'm going to finish this guy's face into the ice with a cross check. And I don't think it was a selfish. That's the sad thing, right? It wasn't a particularly dirty hit by Stoll.

It was hardly anything. It was coincidental contact. Jesus. Yeah. Like I could see if you had a guy and you took a run at him and drilled them in the boards because you were trying to change the momentum of something or even if there was a scrum and you drill someone in the beak. Oh, okay.

Well, he's trying to get the boys back into her. Come on. Let's. Oh, this was just, what the guy hit me. Oh, where? Well, and again, the time of the game. Like you've got a lot of runway to settle a score if you need to. You can take a number there.

This isn't like the last time you're playing the Bruins because they're out of conference and we got to settle a score with Marshan. Like, come on, man. Use your brain. So you move on. It's a three nothing series lead. Both series are now basically in must win games for the other teams. And it just feels like, hey, Carolina, could they win tonight?

Sure. Could Dallas put all the play? It just again feels like we're prolonging. the inevitable. So just finish this thing up then and let's bump the final up by a few days, a handful of days, if we can.

Let's get this thing going. Because I don't know. Is it going to have to be a 3-2, 3-3 series before you really buy into there being a chance for either the Cains or the stars at this point? Feels like it. And both teams just are in a groove. Like that Vegas team caught Edmonton

looking lazy in game one coming off the Laguna vacation. Everyone but dry saddle looked flat. And then they got thumped in game two. And it was the Mark Specter Oilers of a commanding one-one lead coming home. And everyone felt like that. Like you had tweeted, Dino, like, there's the Oilers that you should be fearful of in game two. But since then, Vegas has been rolling.

They've been steady. They've not allowed much five on five. And on the other side, since the Panthers have got Bob going early against the Leafs, like they don't care if they're outchanced. They come up with clutch goals. They're going to get a lot of saves. like let's go. I think both teams have a huge belief right now

that they just go up against anyone and have success. Big time. Vegas and Florida. I'm not sure I saw that. Because across the league, if there was maybe a division leader or winner that I had less confidence in, it might not,

like I just felt like it was probably Vegas. Yeah. And no one was looking at Florida to be a threat at all coming in. They were going to get absolutely worked. Best team of all time. They were going to get. Absolutely. Might be over in three games.

And they were down three Watt in that series. Yeah, it wasn't far off for them being worked over in Boston either. You're talking about one disc in Bergeron's back, and that might be a four or five game series. They're out. Cute you got in. Thank Pittsburgh for losing to Chicago, Columbus. You're not there yet.

Thanks for coming in, Alex Lyon. And instead, here we are a win away from the cup final. And Rhett getting a tattoo. Yes, on where? Did we narrow down a body part yet? His titty. Oh, yeah. Look it.

Look it. Is that from all the sprinting you're doing? You should see it bounce when I sprint. The muscle that bounces. It really does. Yeah. It really does. Well, the Flames hired Craig Conroy yesterday as the general manager.

We kind of, I know we talked about a lot on the, on the show yesterday, but it's had time to sink in. And, of course, you get to hear everybody else have their opinions and see what all the, all the guys in Toronto. and at the networks what they all think. I don't see a whole lot of they should have gone with this guy. There's not a lot of second guessing, I don't think. Oh, and with that list, it was public. I'm sorry.

Like any one of those other guys would be like a bit of a squint and like, really? So, and hearing Connie speak yesterday, it was really refreshing. I thought it was great. Press conference was nails. He's done some other one-on-ones that were good. And he was not afraid to,

note things that he thought weren't right this year and that will be different next year. Without saying Darrell, without saying Brad, it was, here's a situation I wasn't comfy with the last two years and that's going to change next year. The captaincy was one. He said, I don't like filling the last couple roster spots with veterans. I want to see room for young guys, which I've always thought was, you know, you can go find the guy that they're given PTOs in the last, you know, their 13th forward. Like those guys cross the waivers every week. You don't need to go sign them and clog up the roster. And he said, we've been. two veteran heavy.

Brad liked veterans and then Darrell came and we got more vets. There's going to be a pathway for some young guys, which, Rhett, you've talked about for a long time. This group is needed. I like that approach. I'm not convinced. I agree with that he says in principle as far as, but what I've said on the show and what I truly believe is it has to be earned.

Don't just give somebody a seat. If there's a leader in the room, that's who it is. but they have to be a leader and they have to earn it and they have to have respect to their teammates. Don't just name someone because you haven't had anyone. I agree. And I think also from the outside, we can try to handicap it.

It's not there. People in the room know, no one else. Right? We can say, oh, this guy's not this or that guy's that. Only the people in that room really know who commands everyone's attention. And if the room wants a captain and the GM wants a captain, don't be surprised if we have a captain in the fall.

Here's some of what he had to say at the press conference yesterday, and probably for a lot of people they've heard it, but I wanted to get your reaction to some of this. We'll start with the unrestricted free agents. We've talked a lot about it. At the end of next year, there's a lot of guys that need a contract, seven, as it turns out. Conroy was asked about orders of business

and things that he has to tackle. And obviously, all those contracts coming to in a year are near the top of that list. Unrestrictive free agents. I kind of feel like I know where those guys were at, but that was as assistant GM. That was those conversations. This would be different conversations.

So I do think I want to get where they're at. You know, obviously we can't go into a season with seven UFAs. It just doesn't make sense. We got to make sure we do it right for the Calgary Flames. So we're going to look at all those options. And, you know what, did we underachieve last year? Yeah, that starts right at the top with us. and all the way down, coaching staff and the players,

we did underachieve. Do I think we were a playoff team last year? 100%. I was shocked that we didn't make it, but it's unacceptable. You know, and that starts with us. So, you know what? We're going to look at everything and then, you know,

make those decisions. But I do think with the guys, we have here, we can definitely make the playoffs. We have seven. So, I mean, in, in conny fashion, kind of meanders. through a few different things there. But he talked about how you can't come into the year with seven pending UFAs.

and I know Pinder, that's something you've kind of said. And it's hard to, unless you were in all of those meetings and you sit down and you know what they want, if they want to extend for how many years, for how much, you can't really, you can't really say, here's exactly what I think they should do. Keep this guy. That guy.

So well, you don't know what you're getting in trade and you don't know what the guy's going to cost. So I mean, Connie knows. But I think we'd all be on the same page saying this is a summer to assess trade value of all these guys and see, okay, wow, I didn't know I could get that much. Or geez, that's the market's soft for that guy. It's also an offseason to talk about what dollar figure guys would be comfortable saying, I will pin something to stay here long term. And then it's also an off season to assess, okay, like, where is the market at? Where's the cap at?

Can we get more for this guy once we get some, you know, confirmation on how much cap's going up or it isn't going up? Is this a guy we take to the deadline? But you can't carry all of them into the season. I mean, maybe one or two, three. It just becomes a really tough spot that if you're playing well and you have to trade two or three core pieces, that's a really awkward spot we don't see in this league. I think the important thing for those free agents is what he said about guys wanting to be here.

I want guys that want to be Calgary Flames and want to be in Calgary. that to me that's where it ends if everyone's going to ask for the moon but you're going to know the truth of the matter when you start negotiating with them if they're in it for the money yeah are you here to try and help us win and be a good calgary flame and believe in what we've trying to accomplish and it can buy into the city and the province and you know our approach to how we deal with things just to well i want a contract this is what i'm worth and this is where i'm you got to give me this much to make me stay. Bugger off. Yeah. Yeah. And it's never as easy as it sounds a lot of those times. But I feel like Craig is one of those guys that would be able to sit down and say,

listen, no hard feelings. But in a year from now, what are we, what are we are you wanting to be here? Is this what it is? If not, that's fine. We got another year. We're going to go out and play our, we're going to put, put a team out there and try and win. If you, if there's a conversation to be had, great. let's have it. If not, no skin off my nose, but at least we know where you're at.

Is it going to be difficult for them to talk? Because I'm sure it'll happen quickly. But is it going to be difficult for them to talk with guys when they don't have a coach? Because it seems to me that it's very important to this group of players to have a certain coach. Right? I think there's a lot of Daryl fatigue. And whether it's Burnett or Galant or Love or somebody we haven't named. A fresh voice, I think, is almost as important as whose voice it is in a way if you get a group of finalists like the ones that I listed there. Yeah, I agree.

I just think it was Darrell or that ilk, and there's not many that are of that Darrell mole that are hard-nosed, hard-ass kind of, he talked about it yesterday. You have to, you have to relate to the players, you have to be able to talk to the players and that whole thing. And I know that rubs you the wrong way retro some of the times, but it's just kind of... No, it doesn't. It doesn't rub me the wrong way.

It's the fact that they guys are turning on coaches, whatever that doesn't go their way. It doesn't rub me the wrong way to have to talk to players. I think it's great. I have no issue with that. But when they don't like what they hear and they shut down, that's where the issue starts. Yeah.

Talk to them all you want. Listen, I need you to do this. This is what I need you to do. This is how I'm going to play. Well, I don't like that. So I'm not going to play. That's the problem. It's not the discussion on the, the back and forth to the player.

It's the, well, I don't agree with that. So I'm not going to do it. That's where the issue starts. Frank made a good point yesterday. Jim Montgomery may go down as one of the better coaches, or he may just be another coach that spent a decade coaching in this league or less. But he said anyone not named Cassidy was. going to have a massive boost. And it's certainly not same same, but there are some similarities

between a group that was just done with that certain coach. And it's not a shot at Daryl because all these coaches have shelf lives. If you last five years as a head coach in this league, you have defied the odds incredibly. And two and a half years went pretty quick for Daryl in a way. Yeah. Daryl's not free of it either when you say it's not to blame Daryl. Everybody had a hand in that. We know what Daryl is like, and I think you probably had a room that really wasn't ready to handle a guy like that. And you had a guy who was very much like that. So you can't fire, you hear it all the time. We talk about stupid.

You can't fire the team. What are you going to do? You got to change the coach. And Daryl wasn't going to change. And I think it was at that point. Not we're repeating ourselves, but by the time Daryl got to the point, it's like, okay, I'm going to soften up. It was broken. It was no longer than that.

Conroy talked about young players. You want to see some young guys. Here's where he sees the youth fitting in moving forward. We're going to change a core a little bit. Not the core pieces, but I think we're going to add some youth in the lineup. Like Don said, my big thing has been drafting, watching players, you know, and what I've watched and learned is you need young players in the team. You need that excitement.

You need that, you know, what they bring day in and day out. And it's nothing against the older players. But when you watch the league, you see what these kids are doing at 15, 16, 17 years old. I can't even imagine doing that. And so, you know, you have to bring that into your team. You have to give them a chance. You have to give them an opportunity. And it might not be seamless all the time.

And it's easier to play veteran players, but we need to kind of move forward. And we have a salary cap, you know, and young players definitely help the salary cap. Have you ever heard that on this? what we do? Only about how long we were together, 10 years? Only. Forever. Yeah.

Now, it's another one of those things. And we can talk about, there's one more clip that we'll play for you. But it's, there's a lot of what Craig said yesterday that I think everybody can agree with. It becomes a lot harder once you're in the season and you're doing that job.

Because he talked about with Johnny. Johnny stays to the end and then he leaves and you get nothing for him. He's like, well, you just can't do that. that. But then again, were you going to trade them before the deadline when your team was fighting for a playoff? Again, a lot of that stuff. The fall, that one, to be fair. Yeah. And even then. Another half million bucks a year to get it done. And then all anybody was pointing out was that

this team, the core was broken and they were never going to win and Godro can't play in the playoffs and he's too small and he's too soft. And then career year and overtime hero. who then leaves. It just always becomes a lot a lot more difficult. So I mean, yeah, get the kids in. And to your point, Rhett, save spots, have room for them to get in,

but don't hand it to them. Yep. They got to earn it. They got to beat somebody. You got to have some sort of a competition, some sort of a battle for those kids to win and feel like they've earned it. Yeah.

And there's, again, like there's enough of them. You don't give four roster spots. It's a couple. Let them earn it. And if no one is, you grab Ellie Tolvinen or Corey Perry or any number of these guys that have cross waivers the last four years. Like every year, there's quality, fourth line type guys, be it skill or grit, that are there. You can't claim them when you got Trevor Lewis and Milan Lu Cheech and all these other guys bogging down the bottom half of your roster.

And we're all saying you're right. But to reply to your remarks or pender, if you can't stock your kitchen well enough that you have to go out in September or early October and find a fourth liner then you're doing a piss poor job right? It's an interesting to find, yeah. It's easy to find, but if you're

at that point, you've done a piss poor job. Or somebody has gotten injured or showing up out of shape or something. You know what I mean? You've misjudged something because you shouldn't even have to rely on that. They're not, it just don't need it. It shouldn't be part of your game plan

or it shouldn't be a necessary part of the game plan. It's a false. ballback plan because you've missed something. You should be able to have enough talent that a fourth line spot you shouldn't be having to go outside the organization to fill it. Yeah. And so right now you would look at like, I don't know where you put Peltier in this lineup. I'd sort of say he doesn't need to earn a fourth line spot.

You'd rather have them as a play with Backland and Coleman type third line guy, maybe 200 foot profile. It fits that line a bit. But it's like it's Duer. It's Rizzychka. It's Phillips. Is it Zari? You know, is there another young player?

Do you make a swap this summer in which someone with team control comes back? Like, the easiest thing to do is go find someone to give you 12 quality minutes on the fourth line. Yeah. And I still kind of come back to to Red's point. If you don't have someone that can fill that sort of a role, then you're in the hockey business, right? That should be. No. And when you're picking up other.

team's scraps and sometimes you find that diamond in the rough but it's not very often where that happens so yeah be in a spot where you can make a good bet if you want to like the tolbana one was a great example of it like there's a guy that's it was skill his whole career it's all you talked about and it wasn't a fit in Nashville and boom he scores 18 goals like you could have made that claim if you didn't have Lewis right yeah uh yeah like for sure um you do love tolvan and hey how many guys scored 18 for this team this year i'm not i'm not debating you i'm not but you do love the tollvin and bringing him uh bringing him up when it's a nice pick up for ceo it's a smart bet sure you got the roon dog who was awful in the hl playoffs he could come up

yeah yeah one point three million reasons never made sense that one never made sense where did our We lost our boy. He had a bad connection there. I thought he was blurry, but it was just a soft internet connection as my thesis on it today. Where are you at on Rozich got? It doesn't have to be the Flamesforth line conversation, but that to me is a tough, tough year for him.

Tough, but at the same time for a three or four week stretch there, he looked like he was a guy that was going to give you some quality minutes at the NHL level. He was scoring goals. He was playing with confidence. It's all about confidence with that guy, and I just worry, like you do sometimes with a lot of young players, is don't draft them, develop them, have him be one of your best AHLers for two, three, four years, and then give him a cup of coffee.

For a while, he makes the most of it. Then for a while he struggles. And then you watch him blossom somewhere else. I don't know. There again, how does he operate in a different system? different coach, not even system, just a different environment. He strikes me as a guy who might be better in a less taxing environment and dressing room, if I had to guess.

Yeah, we haven't mentioned Coronado who's put together a pretty solid world championships for a guy that's only played collegiate hockey up until two months ago. And the Phillips conversation was one that was happening yesterday. Is there a pathway for Matthew Phillips to return? It's certainly you'd understand if the guy wants more opportunity, but this is a new philosophy in the GM's chair. This is going to be a much more youth friendly head coach if anything Craig Conroy said influences his hiring.

I mean, there's an option again as well. Yeah, because you always hear, I'm looking for more opportunity. I just want an opportunity. There might not be a team that could give him better opportunity all of a sudden than this team. All of a sudden. Yeah, and six months ago, it was like,

is there a worse spot? Is there a worse organization to be in right now for Matthew Phillips and the counterfeit flames of Darylain? I'll give you nine minutes in a special teams laden game. That's it. So the one thing you expect so often, how many things will change? Now you've got a different general manager. Things are going to change.

And I don't even hang this on Trilliving. But so much of it was with Daryl. Because Phillips was brought up and then not used. It's not as though Trilliving didn't want the guy here. It's just Darrell and his, you know, his pension for playing veteran guys. And that's fine. It worked for him in the past. I get why he did it.

But I just, I have to believe that teams, that this, as much as things stay the same, going to a guy like Craig Conroy, you have to take him at his word when he will say, we're changing, it's about drafting, it's about young kids, it's about youth, we want young guys into the lineup.

I don't think that's lip service. I think he is going to have a younger team moving forward. And I appreciated the, transparency and honesty yesterday because you can just, you know, spin out cliches. But he specifically went out of his way to say, you know, we're going to do things differently. Here are the things that will be different. Specific examples. I wanted to see more of Pellche.

I wanted to see more of Phillips. And it's not about slagging people on the way out so much as identifying people are asking how's it going to be different. Well, it's clear Craig's made a significant priority is getting younger. And that energy and speed and enthusiasm that comes with that, I mean, we, we, we, We all wanted it. Again, on the spectrum, how many of 32 coaches would have played as little of Peltier and Phillips as Daryl? I feel like 31 coaches would have played those two guys more than needed. You ever got the feeling we're going to look back in this past season years down the road?

And it's still going to stand out as one of those crazy years. The whole Hubert O take a shit and what number is he? Everything that happened here, coach GM gone. although one was asked one was asked to stay and didn't i'm guessing the coach wanted to stay but couldn't and all of it a amazing tumultuous turbulent 12 months for this team yeah and your hope go ahead your hope is that this is the turning of the page the new chapter okay and then Craig came in and turn page chapter four you know like it does feel like a clean break and it's certainly a new regime when you look at this management team all of a sudden, never mind the coach

that's yet to be hired. That said, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's some heavy lifting to do this offseason. So, I mean, any other takeaways for you from Craig? Like, I was refreshing. I was reminded that I think his expertise is player evaluation. Like we've talked about, he doesn't run the cap. He doesn't do this, doesn't do that. Well, he scouted his ass off the last decade.

and I think that's an area where he talked about, I'm not going to travel on the road as much as Brad. I want to be at more tournaments because I feel like that's crucial. He talked about the draft a ton, like really, really, really have to dominate the draft. And everyone wants to. We'll see if he can. Yeah, I think it's just, it's so different from everything. And that's because Conroy is so different from most people you meet in life,

let alone in sport, where it's a lot of kind of, here's how we have to conduct ourselves and it's the old demands game and this whole thing. He doesn't care about that. He's just he's unapologetically himself. And to your point, and I agree. The thing about Craig, I think, is that there's honesty. We joke sometimes like, oh, maybe Craig shouldn't have said. He's just an honest guy.

He's a caring guy. And he's not going to try and bullshit you. He's not going to go in there and say, oh, you know what? No, I don't need help with the cap. I got it. I know what it is. And then he sits there once the door closed like, What the fuck? I don't want to tell him. Can I get some help here, please? He's going to, he's not going to try and tell you he's good at something if he's not good at it. He wants to collaborate. That word came up a number of times yesterday, but bringing everybody into the fold. The final decision will be his. And I know that going back and we've, I've said this a number of times. There were a couple of times where more than a couple times when Trilliving and Conroy had a differing of an opinion. Yeah. And that's great. But Conroy basically says, yeah, I don't like it. I, I would. I would.

have done it but it's I see why Brad wanted to do it because I know how he feels about it so I think that he is going to invite opinion and respect that opinion but he's still it's his job and he's going to have the final say and we'll know the importance of making the decision that he can live with because that would be as that would all of us have faced that in in our life sometimes I think when we make a significant or a large decision you're like well I don't know if that's how I feel about it, but enough people are saying it this way, okay, we'll go with it. And then you look back, it didn't, why didn't feel right to me at the time?

Why did I do it? Why did I listen to everybody else? I should have gone with my gut. And I think that's where Craig is going to fall in, that he'll take in everything. But when the decision is made, he's going to be able to sleep at night knowing that's his call. Yeah. And there are some older school people in the organization now. I've seen people sort of throwing their hands up like,

ah, what are we doing? We're going back to clutch and hold GMs here with, you know, Bob Murray being there and also Dave known us now. You know, Don Maloney was a GM in what, the 90s or early double O's in New York. Like, I get it. But these are people that are going to help execute Connie's vision, just like Connie put in his two cents and helped Brad execute his vision.

And I remember sitting with Craig like 10, 11 years ago in Houston, and the farm team was playing the Houston arrows, and he was coming in to check in on the kids. It was early in his time as AGM, where Feaster at the time was the GM. And just to have a candid conversation about the way he sees the sport and how to be successful, like he's a savvy hockey dude.

I think even at that point you could see that he was going to help pull the rope, but that it wasn't like Jay Feaster's thoughts on how to play hockey that he inherited. It wasn't Bradshaw Living's views on how you win that he inherited. He's got his own that he now gets to show us. And I have one final thing on the press conference. What did you make of no Jerome or no mention of Jerome in terms of until the media was allowed to ask questions?

Well, DeHachik asked him about it early on in the press conference. And he says, well, we talked about doing something for years. Joe's got another year. He's coaching. So it's something we'll talk about down the road. Which, again, I think it's truth. I don't think he's trying to be coy about it in any way, shape, or form. I think that, yeah, he and Jerome, they're, Red, you're the guy to talk about this.

They're best, their buddies, of course, they're going to work together. It's just a matter of when. Yep, they're going to get, just like on a plane back in the day, they're going to sit beside each other and argue and fight and compete and complain and be mad and then hugged and make up and oh, you're the best spot. and then yes. Iggy's committed to us. Iggy is, yeah, he's committed to coaching this year. He's going to do it.

So there's no, even if he's not given a title this year, you think that Conroy's not going to phone him and talk to him about stuff? Like, come on. He's watching the games now. Yeah. It's not official.

The other thing I thought of, and I think it might have been Francis that sort of alluded to it, it was Craig's day yesterday. And if you unveil the, greatest player in the history of the franchise in some other role, that sort of takes a little bit of the attention away from where it should be. And maybe there is an advisory position that's announced later. But I think maybe it's certainly we know he's committed to coaching his kid.

I think we all expect him to be here in a year when Joe goes to the Western League, Edmonton, right? But that was a part that made sense to me when I saw it. It was like, yeah, you know what? that's a good, that is a good thing to remember. This is Craig's last 14 years building to this. 100%. That's a great point because you just think, put Iggy on the podium with him, he's irrelevant.

It sounds terrible and it's disrespectful in a way of that word, but it's true. There would be a effing parade route from Cologne all the way out here as soon as Iggy is announced. Like, it's, it is what it is. I loved all the pictures that were obviously online yesterday. After goals or whatever, every picture with Connie and Iggy, it's just teeth everywhere. Just smiles for days.

Just both guys just picking and gritted. Just loving life. Somebody was asking about Alex Tangay. I do wonder about tangay. has spent two years as an assistant in the Stars organization. Iowa. With Tim Army as the head coach. And then has been with the Red Wigs for two years.

That's four years on a bench of pro hockey. We know. Organizations too, right? Yeah, we know that I don't know where Craig. I mean, Craig's buddies with Jesus Christ, there he goes again. Craig is buddies with everybody. We know how Iggy feels about Tangay to the point that he came back here the second time as a free agent. I don't know.

I wouldn't discount it. What type of role it is is interesting to me. I think it would be quite a gamble to put your chips down as head coach Alex Tangay, especially this early, but to have him in a Marty Jellina type role where he can bounce around the organization and go do skill development with the minor team and watch these kids here. and help out on the power play on a homestand when you've got some practice time, whatever it is. That's more of something that I see is less risky

and that allows him to show how good am I at it? Am I ready to be a head coach? Because to be fair, being an assistant in the A isn't, you know, where you know a guy's ready to be a head coach in the NHL, right? Yeah. Warner, for those that aren't, yeah, for those that aren't watching on the YouTube We're having some issues with Rhett's link today.

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as Craig Conroy was unveiled yesterday. We knew it. We talked about it, but we finally got to see it. There's some art from the flames. Look at that, Dino, huh? I do love it. Ah.

And he talked about it. Wasn't a popular charite at the time. Iggy gave him the gears. He got running the media. another checking guy. We don't need that. Cory Stillman, first rounder the other way. This was not a popular arrival in Calgary.

He was feeling the heat. His wife was feeling the heat. And, you know, you'll never be able to keep Americans in Calgary. Never mind. A career flame, a Calgarian through and through. He said this is his dream job to be the GM of the Calgary friend. Look that one. Young Craig.

So great. Captain. So that was before he hands. did it off to Jerome, which was a tight little window there. Yeah, 02. Yeah, he shared the cat. Look at the teeth. He handed it over there.

Yeah. Pearly it was. It was before the 0304 run. So one year, we're in the sea. Year in a bit. Co-captain they're in as well. Bobby Boogner, I believe it was. So the question will be, we saw Jerome in the photo.

What? Jerome? Jerome? Jerome. Jerome? Because Jerome, Jerome. people writing articles about Jerome being in the organization already. Wants to explore, nothing to announce currently.

We'll see. What would your level of surprise be if Jerome was not in the organization in a year? Well, it'd be very high. My surprise level would be very high. It just seems like it's a matter of when. And as Rhett said, if you think they aren't going to be in conversations, It's going to be an interesting year. As much as Jerome is going to be coaching his kids team,

he's going to be a satellite, you know, co-president of hockey ops or whatever. He's going to be up to his eyeballs in it. So, which is good, right? Because I don't, I don't know,

I'm sure Jerome watches a lot of hockey and he's still invested in the flames, but now he's got him, we would think, a year to really get up to speed on the team, the farm system, what else is going on in the league.

So when he comes in and it feels like a win, I think he'll be well-versed in all of it. Conning has some great points too. His oldest kid has got to be what, Rhett? It's his draft eligible year, so 17-year-old season. His youngest kid, it's his 15-year-old season coming up. His daughters played on the national team. Like, this guy has seen a lot of the coming three draft classes.

Not that that's everything, but Jerome will be familiar with the people. that will be brought out on podiums and placed on NHL rosters in the next three years. It isn't just, hey, he played here, he's got a nice smile, bring him in. He's in the fabric of a lot of these kids and their draft years the next three years.

I never thought of that side of it, but you're right. And he was down in the States in Boston for a long time, for some of it. So we'd even know, you know, not just Western Canadian kids where he's living now. You were talking about Tangay, the last time I jumped up.

Tangay would be very good. I don't know that it's a head coach spot, but it's a bit of, he'd be awesome for a power play. He just sees the game differently. He sees it offensively, right? Remember we used to have Verstieg on the other show and he'd give you insight into things

that you don't think about, right? So it would be the same for tangay. He would see the game in a different, totally unique and different way. and another guy just smiling all the time. That is true. Like his, you know, he's got, he's got those smile marks. He smiles so much.

There be a lot of smiling going on around here. Just like you, Dean. Yeah, just like me and Big Dean. Just upside down, but there's smile marks, right? That's right. He's the pout, pout fish. The only time Tange was smiling too much for our liking was on Locker Clear Out Day. Like, could you just hide it for a day?

You're far too happy Tangs for the season to be old. The titleist hat and the star. miles just a little too much one or the other yeah turn it down a bit thanks just dial it down a little bit okay i can see that for sure sorry i was just going to say he does have he he would be i would think a natural fit in some assistant coach capacity now you want the you want the head coach to be able to build whatever staff that he wants but i would think well if you have an alex tangay potentially at your disposal whether you have a great relationship or you know the guy from adam would yes please bring him in Or he becomes that Adam Oates, roving guy in the organization.

Atomotes. Prospects or HL, big club, wherever he's needed and can help. Go. The other, what I was going to jump in on was, I said it yesterday. I'm going to keep saying it until you get some clarity on it. What's Jerome want? Is it coaching or is he management? It's a huge difference.

Yeah, big time. And maybe he'll have sort of that flexibility to get on. the ice here or there, be in on scouting meetings. Go, like, it really. But that's management. You're not, that's a management position, right? If you say you're coaching, you're coaching. You're not taking, you're not taking a trip off to go scout a kid and Quebec.

If you're coaching, you have to coach. What's your read, Brett? You obviously know these guys very well. Craig, we can see as, yeah, he's, be a manager. Iggy to me from a distance feels like more on the coaching side, but I could be wrong. What do you see? I just wonder about his competitive nature and how much that plays into it. When you're part of an NHL organization, you're going to get a certain, some of your thirst for competition will be taken care of.

but I just, I think from a management side, you're not in the, the, you're not in the war every night. And I feel like that's an eggy thing. I think he likes that competition and I think he likes that part of it. But I don't know. I mean,

coaching is completely different. Like, even though you are on the bench and you are doing everything. You're still not playing. There's so many guys that have talked to that it's like, you can't replace the plane. So I don't know. It sure feels,

Brindamore asked to me. Maybe you assist. or you do something. I don't think he's going to go to, you know, the Wranglers or anything like that. I think he steps right in at the NHL level. But I, he just feels like a guy that needs,

to your point, needs that juice that you can probably only get from playing or being on the bench. I could see him doing both. I really could. I think he would like the, I think that his competition and his compete would want to, kind of lends itself to more of the coaching side.

But he certainly, again, it depends I don't know. I don't know what role you're going to give him, right? Because if he's not the GM, is the assistant GM, is he happy with that title? Is he another VP? Or like, I don't know.

And if he's not coming now, how does it work with the coaching staff? Like, that's a tough one, right? You're going to bring in new coaches and put together a coaching staff and have a hold spot for a guy for next year? I was just going to say, basically, aren't you just so happy

to have a guy that potentially, and we believe, that's going to be coming into your fold in some capacity, right? Because Jerome did not win a cup, but man, he's seen and done a lot of everything else. The one thing,

and when Craig brought up yesterday about having Lanny around and talking to Lanny, not to say it's going to be a title or anything, but he will be, right? He will be using Lanny. Lanny as a sounding board, absolutely. They've stolen all of our ideas.

That's sure they really have. Rett said they're only years ago. If and when this thing fails, it's going to be Connie and Iggy. And all of us there thought, oh, should probably get Lanny involved too, right? You probably get Lanny involved. For a decade, we've been saying,

why is it Lanny involved for a decade? Like, he doesn't have it. It's going to be so great to have Lanny around now. Oh, is that right, Craig? Fuck. I'm happy for everybody, honest. And it's not,

I like Brad. Brad's one of the finest guys that you'll meet. And you know how we feel about Daryl? It was a shitty year. But prior to this year, everybody loved Daryl. It's not about how great it is to be turning the page from what you had, but there's just so many good people involved. You just really hope that it works for everybody. New beginnings.

Right. And speaking of which, and speaking of whom, the former general manager, not the current, appears to be candidate number one in Toronto. There's Andy Strickland of the Cam and Strick podcast based on what, St. Louis, Stino. And yeah, this has been the vibes. The way Brendan Shanahan described what he wants in a GM,

Brad immediately jumped to the top of the list. And I don't think, you know, unless Brennan's lying to us about what he wants, that he's not a very legitimate candidate. Frank yesterday handicapped that it's even money. Like, that's him versus the field. That's incredible that both he, Dubus might be working very quickly after parting ways with their clubs. Unique circumstances for both of them to leave though, too, right?

So you feel like there's certain guys out there that other teams would love to scoop up immediately if they know they're coming loose. It just happens that they did. So Trillivic feels like the right fit in Toronto for me. And it would be great for him to go from a scenario where it's, well, you know, tough season, everybody's disappointed and lots of changes and stuff going on. Oh, what's this, Austin Matthews got to, when's his deal up at the, oh, at the end of next season. Oh, okay, shit.

That's just what I need to, only had seven of those in Calgary, only a few of them here. That's not going to be, that's all. That's not going to be an easy one for whoever takes that job. And that might be the only thing is if Trillivin looks at it and says it's nothing greater than winning in Toronto. but what are you facing? You've got two, what, two years of Marner and Tavaris, one year of Matthews and Nylander. You don't have a goalie necessarily.

Well, what's the, what, what's, Trilving just went through it with Godreau. I know. That's what I mean. Do you go to another team where it's like, okay, they're over the hump, they've done their winning, that window is closed.

Let's start fresh again. I don't know. I think at least for him moving in there is a fresh face, right? Like it's who knows what he would do with the Matthews situation or any of the situations. But at least he's, he kind of got handed this one instead of grew it himself. Get, uh, get Craig on the phone with Brad. We bring, uh, Willie Nealander home. Calgary.

You know what? Do we need to go to Alberga and do a show in Toronto and fix the fucking Leafs? Like, we got to get that figured out too. Oh, seriously. Because we clearly fix the flames. there. We'll move to league notes. We talked about Dallas

Vegas last night. We talked about it. We didn't see it. Here is Jamie Ben making maybe one of the biggest bonehead decisions we've seen in the playoffs this spring. And that's...

Where was the contact made? And I believe the contact was in the jaw area. Wango. Oh. Yeah. Right across the jaw. I certainly support a... So he knocks over stone.

Doesn't that stone. Body check. And then, So it's not enough. Take that. In the second minute of the game, one-nothing Vegas at that point, they would add to that lead with the five-minute man advantage,

he granted them. Five in a game, a hearing with the league today. Come on. And I just don't see how he gets less than two here. Even when I'm the biggest spin the wheel of justice, we never know what they're doing. I mean, they could really throw the book.

This is so unnecessary and so vicious. like there's no reason this should be allowed in the sport or you should be able to come back after doing something this stupid. The petrangelo whack, we see varieties of slashes all the time. This is a cross check to the neck area. You could break someone's neck doing this. Is there a history? Well, I was going to say, I don't, I think there is,

but I don't know what the statute of limitations is on it. Remember we would talk to Brian Burke and he would sometimes you take into account or they would take into account. What time of the game was the pest, penalty. So he got the five in the game and basically missed 58 minutes of the hockey game. And they had a five minute power play and they lost the game. Does that mean that's essentially game one of your one game suspension? So you get one more game or two more and I'll subtract one off the total. I could. Yeah. Has he essentially served game one of a suspension already. I don't know.

Good thing to keep in mind. I imagine we'll get news today tomorrow at the latest given that you got to pick up the series. Down 3-0. He might not play again this season. He might be carrying over the, oh, yeah, the regular season games are worth more. You're going to miss, or worth less.

You're going to miss a few out of the gate next year. We'll see. Not the move you wanted. And here's another move you don't want. Hey, you represent the team. Rain or shine, you're the captain. Come face the media when things don't go well. Nah, I'm good.

This is Craig Button, our boy. Spit and truth. Yeah, from the cool button podcast. So the captain does not speak. 100% unacceptable. That is when somebody tells them that is your responsibility. Not speaking is not an option.

Well, but I'll get the coach fired. How about that? I mean, DeBoer, how dare you tell me to go talk to the media? Where's my agent? I can't play for this man. Yeah, I see what you're doing now. He said I had to take a shit.

Tell him I was taking a shit and I couldn't do the post. I was on the table. I was not taking a shit. How dare you suggest I was pooed? I'd love to talk about that cross-tech to the chin, but I'm taking a shit. Game four tonight, Carolina, Florida, Panthers Red Hot, Bobrovsky, a brick wall,

Carolina struggling to score. How great it is to see Sam Reinhart and Jack Eichol, these guys that are just, I don't know what's held them back in the past, but just playoff gladiators, you know? Brandon Montour, Boy, there's something in common there with all those guys. So great. Oh, man. It's weird.

Just needed a chance, I guess. Sunshine. Yeah. Vitamin D. Dino. Sure. Right? Yeah, that's all you need. I got some news from Chris Johnson, NHL insider, regarding the cap.

This is important and shit. Oh, same time. This is Pinder report. I mean, it is not the Boomer Report. We're not doing a lot. Whop, Wop, Wamp, 1 million bump. or we'll see something to keep an eye on. Only a couple items left.

Stay with me here. Toronto was brutal. The Blue Jays lost five in a row last night. Got to take it out a little on the heavy bag as they walloped the raise by a score of 20 to one. It's the second largest victory in franchise history going back to last year's 28 to 5 win against Boston at Fenway. That was the day of the Kachuk Blockbuster. I remember I was at a rodeo in Invermere. That game was going on, and then the Kachuk trade broke.

It was insanity. Save some of those runs because you've been terrible. You say, can you also hit against position players today, too? That'd be nice. Two different non-pitchers pitched for the race last night. And finally, Rhett, you're in a house right now, but I think this was the last hotel you were at. fourth floor third floor

truth floor third floor third floor thanks for visiting Beth Jesus Beth Griffith your hotel and I do want to remind you

Dino we did get a video sent in from one of our pals I don't know if you want it now in the Pinda Report or later it kind of feels like a standalone item wait on it yeah hold it yeah

Brett there you are That's that's your Nashville hotel. Thanks for the photo. Very nice. Brought to you by Village Honda, the million dollar buying event. We've been telling you about it. It continues. Get cash for your vehicle.

They'll buy yours. Even if you don't buy theirs, sellers receive a tropical cruise for two exclusively at Village Honda, your dealership for life. What was going on with your technical difficulties? I don't know. What's going on? Because I'm not technical.

So when something technical happens, lost. Got it. power outage, you said? I need the AI. It went. You know what it goes? That's never a good thing, right? No.

Saved one of the Conroy clips for you while you were working out your difficulties. Was he eating? Because he looks like he's been chubbing up a bit. Oh, dear. We're trying to get Craig to come on the show and you're going to say. Well, make sure we got muffins. in the donuts because apparently You're a fucking

stupid Jesus Christ Guy guy's been wearing size 28 fucking pants for his entire life he's in his 50s and now you're going to start

calling him fat cheeks he was at the podium yesterday and was talking he had already talked to you can't do so you can't have seven

impending you You can't do it. One of them is Elias Lindholm. And obviously he is one of the, if not the youngest. He's one of the younger of these guys that is turning UFA. He's got one year left, no top line center. What about Lindholm, Mr. GM? It's going to be one of the first calls. I mean, you know, when we talk about this, all those seven unrestricted free agents were going to be in contact in. And I'm going to, and I do know where Elias was thinking. prior. So now I want to see where he's at. I really do want to see what his mindset is right now and I have a very good relationship and obviously he's a priority here. I mean for me,

he's a player you build around. We talk about centers. You know, I look at him and think everything he does, game in and game out, face-offs, winning all those little plays. He's a player that even as he kind of gets older, if he moves down a little in the lineup, he's going to be still effective and help your team win day in and day out. And he's a good person. You know, those are the type of people. And I do think he really wants to be a Calgary Flame. Again, we'll see in a couple days where he's thinking.

I like those comments. Of course he loves him. He's a Craig Conroy clone. He's going to say they have similar games. Both get some recognition for play away from the puck, put up some numbers when they had star wingers. He does make a good point that Lindholm is good enough to drop down the lineup. Oh, he could be your third line center at 35 and you'd love it.

Like, so from Backlin this year. Like, totally. I think this is the most important of the entire class of the seven three agents and it's not close. I think you're deep enough on the blue line that if you could get a haul for Noah Hanifin, I'd consider it. I just can't see this team being competitive with Alino. There's just no way. And the other part of it is too, I mean, just what goes through my mind there is that, yes, as not only as he goes down the lineup, but as he gets older, he's still going to be able to give you quality minutes.

and do things for you. Kind of like Backlin in a way, right? He's not going to score as much. And even to this point, he's not a big score, but he's a very important piece. The other thing is, too, the sooner you get, because he would be the big money guy,

the sooner you know what you're doing there. If he's staying, if you can get a deal done, then it allows you to really start to move on the other ones. So I'm going to, well, if he's in for eight years or whatever it's going to be, then we know this can't happen,

so we start to expedite that. I saw a tweet, sorry, Rad, I just, I saw a thing yesterday kind of comparing the numbers, and I think it was the same draft class of Bo Horvett and Elias Lindholm. And Horvett just signed that eight years, eight and a half million per, whatever it was. Now, not as a, like he didn't turn to UFA, he was going to be UF, that whole thing, right? Same thing, right? It feels like a pretty good comparable.

Does that feel when you hear eight times eight and a half north of eight between eight and nine, Is that Lindholm money? I think it is. And I think the sooner you get that number, the more it stays at that number, the longer you wait, the more that goes. A, the player continues to get more leverage. And B, there's so much money in the system

that we haven't seen reflected in the cap yet because this IOU isn't paid off yet. If this cap's $88 million in two years, that's not the summer you want to pay this guy because now a sudden it's nine or nine and a half. Or you've got 15 teams that suddenly have cap space that haven't for three years because the caps jumped. If it's eight and a half and that's what it takes, do it now.

I like Lentholm, but I think there's advice to be given in, if you're shopping them, what are you getting in return? I think you get a haul, but you probably have to make sure he's going to a place that they're going to resign him. I'm not saying. That's the move, 100%. Because that's your most valuable chip you have in your organization. So some of it, what are you trying to do with the team?

I don't disagree with that he's, I don't know what the team looks like without him as your number one center. I think that he's not excessively old. And if you get him to the right contract down the road, he is a responsible player that you don't just rely on for points. So I think you're in a great spot with him because whatever you do, you're going to, you're going to, you, you're, You should be in good shape. Don't pass the trade deadline. That's the only bad spot here. Get a haul or you lock in your number one center.

And if you're getting a hall for him, probably your approach is, let's revamp this squad here a little bit. Boy, so Michael Backland, nice having you. Adios. Tofoli, bye-bye. I trade Tafoli anyway, probably. Anaphani, same thing.

It's 28. It's not 33-year-old, Nassam Qadry. He's five years younger than cadre, essentially. that's a big difference. It is a big difference. We'll put those two in the same category, right? Yeah. I don't know.

I don't love eight year deals and it eight and a half feels like a lot. And there's no saying that that's what you get them for. Maybe it has to be. I don't know. But that math and that type, because he's that type of player, when an eight year deal, he's in that 36 range, not 40 feels a lot,

a lot easier to swallow. I don't know. I just you want to I think if you're spending eight north of eight million that's your star you would need that to be your star player and I guess two years ago he kind of was that but he was third in that picking order of stars do you know what I mean is do you want to be is there is there another level for a lot of Lindeholm or is he at this point what he's going to be I feel like he is I think what you're hoping is you can get him the types of wingers that he popped 40 with like can Coronado become a third. 30 to 40 goal guy on his wing. Is there another player that maybe it's number 16 overall this year that's a scoring forward? And now not only do you get the responsible 200-foot centerman that you can play against anyone, but the offense comes back up because, to be fair, Tafoli had a great year. But like Dylan Dubay, top line, that's not where he deserves or belongs to be based on his play at this point.

That was two-thirds of a top line this year. is anyone concerned about the negotiation abilities of Craig Conroy? Because he feels like another half a million a year isn't going to hurt. The extra half a million with Johnny, he'd be here. Fuck.

Did that two years? That was True Living's thing. He was always like, very rarely do you have any kind of leverage against players? You go to July 1, it's tough. You get to free agency. But when your RFAs, you got to dig in. That's both ways.

You got that extra 20 grand from Manjipani on a two-way deal when then Manjipani had the hammer two years later and he's making what, five and change? I think that's the problem is that it's great to hold guys feet to the fire when you can, but you also have to read. Like, is anyone upset with Tage Thompson's deal moving forward? Nope. Just like you're not upset with Rasmus Anderson or the Lindholm and Hannafin ones when they were signed. It's picking your spots on who you play hardball with.

it's a fringy part, sure. But if it's a core piece, you've got to think big picture here. And it's managing your cap so that you can. Totally. Not just have to squeeze guys in certain spots, right? And we both, we're in the same hymn book here, Rhett. It's not the worst to leave yourself a few million bucks. Some shit's just going to fall on your lap in this league with the way this has gone

the last three, four years. Like, look at how Carolina picked up, Pat, you're ready for peanuts. Well, that's part of the reason you think that, people like you're idiots if you trade lint home maybe you are maybe you are but that cap space and the return if you never go down that road you're not gonna you know you've got to at least ponder it because there's a lot to be done with cap space and if you can make the right picks or get the right pieces in return you can set yourself up pretty good yeah i would say like if there's a if the rinks opening dino maybe there's a change in philosophy from the owner.

If you were granted, okay, now we have an opening date. It isn't make the playoffs at all costs. Screw the future. It's for your plan. Now we're talking about. Chess, not checkers, fellows. Chess, not checkers. We talk about it all the time.

It's one of the most under, not undervalued, but I think in a media perspective, we don't give near enough importance or credence to cap space, where if a player leaves at the end of... Just David violin music for talking about the cap. No, listen. But that's...

I'm establishing that point. What I'm saying is a player leaves... You got nothing for them. We're getting that cap space back. And it's how we use that moving forward. You're right. A lot of times, well, that was a terrible move. And then all of a sudden, maybe four months later,

hmm, patch ready for fucking magic beans, eh? That's pretty good. Yeah. Well, how did we get that cap space? by not simply giving it to somebody else so that we looked optically like we were using our cap money or we were winning a trade or any of that. Because you're right, it happens every bloody year. And maybe you don't always win with those guys. And Patcheretti isn't exactly helping Carolina right now.

But bet, though. You know there would be, I would bet over the course of a year. It might not be a handful, but there's got to be two or three things that would come across your desk that you would be able to do. player for player or just in terms of your structure. But we can't because we don't have fucking cap space. Think about Jacob Verana, a guy who scores when he's right 30 to 40 a year. And there's off ice stuff there and he was in the player assistance program. And I'm not suggesting that isn't a huge part of why he moved.

But like he went to St. Louis and he started scoring like crazy. St. Louis made some deals to free up cap space. Like that was a free roll of the dice on a 30 goal guy. You could have had him on fucking waivers. nobody had the cap space. And again, it's more intricate than that because of the off ice. But that's the type of situation where you do have that opportunity if you've got caps. So you don't have to take it, but at least you got the option.

Do you think Austin and Peter over McLeod law are going to be okay if we do a this day in Flames history that isn't like totally great for the flames? It's not like, is Brett going to be okay? Because we've done some tough ones. That's fine. No, Rhett's going to be okay with this one. Because, you know, McLeod Law, they're proud of this, it's Calgary. It's Calgary-based, Calgary-born. They are proud of their Calgary roots.

Big part of their long-standing client relationships. They understand the city, the people in it, and the way things work. Varied, diverse, and a strong commitment to making a positive impact on the city of Calgary. It is McLeod Law and Peter Klein. We'd like to find, you know, I think it was, didn't Kipper have a birthday, and Gary Roberts was birthday this week, that sort of thing. I believe today is the 24th.

Let's go back this day in Flames history back to well there was a Stanley Cop was lifted at the saddle dome

this day in flames history. Yeah. Otto against Sarbanoff. Chellio's trying to move along the board. Eight seconds remaining the battle is

the quarter at center guys wow couldn't get a shot it's deflected down the ice bat will do it the canadians will win this valley and congratulations to montreal's canadieries what an effort what a surprising story and an equal amount of congratulations to calgary's claims the character of that hockey club showed right through the end the character of both hockey clubs both organizations gone just absolutely incredible Well, Montreal disposing first of Boston.

And then the Canadians moving into the second round against Hartford, advancing to the Stanley Cup finals and the victory over New York and now disposing of Calgary in five games and Pant de Blois with a brilliant sales. And Sazlitt and Larry Robinson, the assistant captains Out there as well to assist in that most cherished trophy high over their hands. The late Don Whitman with the call back to 1986. On this date, the Montreal Canadiens led by a rookie Patrick Warren Neff,

who I believe won the Con Smyth trophy, beat the Calgary Flames in the Cup final. Everything in the world has changed in the Senate, except the one thing. The saddle don't. The saddle doll. And there's some great photos. There was one photo of that moment that we just saw there in the screen where they're shooting. And it's the, it's the same.

It's the same catwalk. There's the blue catwalk that we walk across all the time. Oh, there's the, the roof with the panels in it. Same panels. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what. It's, you know, uh, look at this. The respectful crowd, staying cheering on the habs. You think about the Mo that Vegas and Florida have. Both those teams believe, believe, believe they're winning the cup. And to think of the dejection of being the only outcome you see is winning,

that's the flames on this side this year. That's tough. You're telling me about that? Thanks. Thanks for pointing out. It sounds good. I'm not telling red about it. Well, I was wondering why you're even bothering going through with that.

More I talk. I realized I didn't know how to get out of it. that. Yeah. Well, in addition to, you know, with everything, McLeod Law, they are the law firm, just a general firm. If you're an entrepreneur, if you're, uh, you got to be your own business, whatever it is that you need, whatever legal challenges you may face. The answer is McLeod Law. They are, uh, you see it there, maclough dash law.com. There's the personal injury on your screen, Calgarypersonatry.com. And there's Peter Klein for the personal injury side. Good people. I had that nice Nordique's jersey at the draft.

Sure did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm ready for some Aussie Brad. Fuck, is he on fire? Who do we need? So if somebody might be tuning in or checking this thing out for the first time or they don't know who Ozzy Brad is, is there how would we describe this film?

Well, we didn't know much about Ozzy Brad until very early in the podcast. We were having fun with the ability to swear, which we couldn't do at the old shop. And I might have crossed the line in the, opinion of some and others not with the heavy see you next Tuesday on the show. And I was trying to explain that in this part of the world, sure, that might be incredibly offensive. But in others, you just toss that around like a frisbee on an afternoon at the beach. No big deal. Ozzie Brad found us on social media to back me up and say, this word isn't that bad. And

we loved it. We had a great laugh. He kept sending us videos. And now it feels like anytime there's news, it's like we're waiting for our Australian correspondent. So let's hear. from Ozzy Brad. Boom. Pinda, retro. Man Cave again, boys. It's fucking cold as a cunt down in Melbourne. He's got to piss down for fucking four days straight.

But that ain't going to fucking stop me today, fellas. I'm as fucking pumped as any fucking man in Australia would ever be. Fucking Connie. Our boy, we fucking got him. He's got a shit ton of cunts behind him, and they're going to lead us to the fucking promise land. Now, what the fuck is that little mate over here? Little fucking the champ,

little Iggy going to do? We need him fucking to get up and about, into the team somehow. On the bench, helping Connie, we don't know. If not, I record fucking Mustaka love. Mitch love, mate, easy to fucking go. The other issue we've got, me and you, Retro, don't worry about this chap, GPT, fucking chee, whatever the fuck that bloat does.

I'm the man to write you a fucking little reference. Me and you, we'll go on a Californian swing. I'll come and meet you from down here. I'll ring muzzle, say, mazah, say, muzzar. I need a fucking business class ticket. I'm coming over with retro. We'll keep the boys up and about. On the piss, on the bourbons, whiskey, whatever the fuck they want.

We've got to keep them up and about. And we're the fucking key to this retro. He punch a boon. I am. I feel like. Ozzy, Brad. The third time I've seen that, and I now get it all. It does feel like we might need like a transit.

Yeah. So he said the mustache love or muzzly love or whatever. And then he calls Murray Edwards. muza or I don't know I don't know if that's a boss term or if it's a slang on murray there's a little unpacked there but essentially he's saying Rhett he's coming over to help you take the boys out get all pissed up sort out these issues everything else is done you get that guy talking in the room before a game you're going to go through a wall get that guy on the bench and who knew it was cold in Melbourne it's got the hell looks chilly yeah go skiing piss it for four days a couple C bombs in there just because why not a whole bunch of CNX Tuesdays behind Connie he's got it I do

I'm already I feel like I have to prepare my body because we're going to run into this guy somewhere along the line either here or there we're going or he's coming and it's going it's not going to be kidding me yeah because you don't you don't have that kind of a rendezvous and then knock it out of the park and just have a couple of cocktails that man cave is not built for two

that's uh we're going till the sun's coming up type man cave that's terrific keep punching keep punching uh so florida carolina tonight game four yes but it's bad just feels like it's yeah just sorry i love rod the bod but it's and they have he was so dejected after the last game said what do we gave up a goal What are we supposed to do? And you know what? Warner's telling us not to shoot the puck on net. Yeah.

We're getting too many shots on net. The other, like, they're not going to use the excuse, but is this team better with Patcher Ready and Svetchenikov? Are you fucking kidding me? Of course. Like, that's, that sucks. That's exactly what they're missing is a little finish. It's to the point it does feel like you're not just playing the Panthers.

Yeah. They just have. that thing. Their goalie's red hot. They're getting key goals. They're getting all the breaks. You feel like you're up against the, you know, the PA announcer, the Zamboni driver, you're up against the goalie. You're up against everything. I just don't think it feels like it's just too much right now for this Panthers team. And they've showed no signs of slowing down. Cain's favored slightly tonight, believe it or not. Barcove out. Barcove going to play. Barkavit.

Thank you, Redd. Yes, there was some question. He skated this morning, and Paul Maurice says Sasha's coming back. How do you go with Sasha Alex? That's a Russian thing. I don't know how it is. Whatever. I just want it to be over.

I want the finals to start. Let's go. I don't need. Florida. Yeah. Let's get started on this. Let's go. Let's go.

Before I forget, alumni golf tournament. tomorrow. That's right. Pretty screens. I don't have the details. Maybe you guys do, but I'm pretty sure we talked to a guy that said you can bid on some of the auction items. Tomorrow's show will throw a link up for the silent auction, which as you are correct, people from anywhere can bid on all these items. You don't have to be in the room. If you Google, yeah, Calgary Flames Masters alumni, it'll take you to the tournament website. And from there, there will be a link because they'll have.

every year they have the auction items, which yes, even Ozzy Brad, if he were so inclined in Melbourne. What an event to get Aussie Brad to? Oh, wow. Ooh, la, la. And remember Melbourne, it's warming up here.

The NHL's flirting with Australia. There's games in September in the next couple of years, two years. You tell me, this guy's not connected down there, could take care of things, get you into some places, open a few doors. We've got to get him in front of Batman. We're ready to follow.

It's a schedule come out because he was talking about that California swing. He was going to meet up and get on the piss. Callie. That's great. Let's see, whatever. Yeah. But, you know, and it's a good point you bring up because, again, I still think very quietly in a way, the alumni do so much work for the city and surrounding area, raising money, giving back, helping out the kids and all that sort of thing. And I don't know.

I'm hoping that their event was sold out. It's always a good event. It looks like they got some decent way. weather. This would be a cool way, as you say, to help those guys out as they help other people out. Aren't you a member of the alumni in a way? I might have got booted. I don't

know. I don't know why. When he picked up his life on five days notice, it left a few things swinging. So we don't know what the status is, I guess, hey, can you pick up my on ice session this afternoon at the hockey school? Oh, why? Sure. And how about the rest of the week?

I knew I could rely on. Brent Cron and Chris Colanos. See? Alumni, good people. Alumni. That's right. That's probably going to do it. You got some bet we bets there? Yeah. Well, just because we were talking about it, Carolina minus 105, and I may have misspoken.

Florida's minus 1.15. So Florida's late favorites, not the other. I saw minus 105. It's close. For somebody, it was, yeah, somebody's favorite in the game. Here are the bets I'm dancing on today. You got to find a way to get Matthew. he could check on your bingo card tonight because this is an elimination game and he's

been unbelievable. First goal is a massive number. We're big game hunting. Chuckie. Big spot. Big results has been the name of the game. Is it the first goal tonight? If so, plus 700. And I don't mind Florida winning this thing in regulation. Maybe toss in an empty netter. That'd be great.

Plus 210 on the puck line. That's a bigger number than I thought. That way, bet to the day. Bet responsibly. Terror only, 19 plus. You know the rules. haven't been a lot of a wopsided wins in that not this round in that series I mean four of the first four conference finals went to overtime

so will we just stay at Jovanovsky's place or oh he's building a mass remember for Steig against talked about how nice is how he's doing it again well we had him on and he said it was too big it was too much so he had to get rid of it and then got this other place now he's building the same thing again

that's correct gone almighty we'll have a little wink yeah I'm not sure let us use this boat I want to use the boat you gotta get a boat

you do need to get a boat actually there's a bar I used to go here in Buffalo called the steer the owner is now living in down on that part of the world he bought a boat

and he's a captain, and he'll drive me around all night. So maybe we'll call him. Aye, I, let's go. Yeah. Tucker.

Let's go, water taxi. Go out, Captain. Tuck. Let's go. You know what? I was on the YouTube thing

the other day, and I got spinning it. It was started with the Tideomi, Rob Ray, and they had the fights and all of this sort of thing. Dude, you know what you need to do?

Honestly, you're an alumni of the savers. You need to get in someone's ear and, and get his jersey up in the GD Rafters out there. Who did they put up Brian Miller's this year? Yeah, you see. I was just, I'm not disgusted that Ryan Miller's went up.

I'm disgusted that they haven't put his up. You'd be a top five most famous saber, period stop. 100%. And he still lives there. You fucking kidding me? 100%. I don't know what the holdup is. I am going to start a,

You know why? Because that's what it'll be. Somebody wouldn't think of it. Did he ever lead the team in scoring? How many his cups did it? It's not always about that. I'm going to go. If I was good online, I would go out and I would start a social media thing.

Because what I would say to the people is send me a letter on how Rob Ray has influenced your life or the life of someone you know. Because it's his impact away from the rink that is as amazing as his impact was for the team. And his impact for the team, I call it amazing because doing, I know that job is a terrible shitty job. But he did it and he did it against everyone and all the tough guys in an era where everyone was tough. And he was an icon in the city. And more importantly, he did anything and everything for everyone else outside of the ring. he has done too much not to be honored in that fashion. I just, and I don't know.

If it's not that, is it the Hall of Fame, but there's no real thing like a Hall of Fame. He just, he is. He is in the Buffalo Sports Hall of Fame and all those. You get going down and you start watching, and it's not just him fighting guys, and you see the photos of all of the events he's been at, all of the charity endeavors,

all the things that he's done on that broadcast over the years with him and RJ and now what's his name he's he's synonymous with the sabers and I don't know I we take some of that shit so serious well I should he be shouldn't be should you put it where is the harm in retiring that guy's number and having a banner he has done nothing but done the team and the city proud you could fill that rink with people he's directly impacted a charitable way. There's, there's no way

there's not 20,000 people that he's affected positively because of the charitable work he's done in this, in this area. Number 32, put it up. Let's go. Let's go. When you guys start the campaign for me there?

Yeah. Okay. Thanks. You're Mr. Calgary, all right. It's going to be tough, though, because Chris Butler were 442, as did Jonas Hoagland. Yeah, don't remember. remember Chris Butler

giving up a tenth of his paycheck for a sweet for sick kids. Needs? So the kids? Rob Needs. Not. No. Needs is a selfish prick. Oh, dear. And he got a cup, so screw him.

Yeah, he did. Thanks, Scott. Why didn't Trevor get you a cup? Exactly. He got me a toothbrush. Oh, that's good. Betwe bet we betts of the day. Be responsible and bet on the app, get the app and be responsible and bet the responsible way with Betway. That's it for this program.

Enjoy the hockey game tonight. That's it. Special guest tomorrow, we'll have Vice President of Business Operations, Jay McNeil, former O'Lineman on the business side of the stamps, giving us a little preview. We're not that far away from the season opener. It'll be the Lions and the Stamps to open the whole season. A couple Thursdays through now, so that's coming up. Our buddy Dickinson was not happy.

with his with his win with his starters the other night not happy well Dave who's in charge well that I was just you better be careful Dave those players don't like you yeah run you the gun you out of 10 be fucking back right back to Montana Montana a hell of a mutiny potatoes are doing how many guys that's right burgers every day all right buddies enjoy it we'll see you see you tomorrow