Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - When Will The Flames Name Their Next Head Coach? | FN Barn Burner - June 7th, 2023

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

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It is Wednesday. Welcome to Barnburner. Hello, Rhett. Wonderful Wednesday. Beautiful out. I have an update for you. No hockey today. Son of us.

We do have NBA. Yes. And we do have a hangover, Rhett? I don't know if it's a... How are we feeling? I guess it's a hangover, but it's not a... The voice is a little gravelly. It's not extraordinary.

And I don't want to out you, but someone asked you a question about doing a segment today yesterday in the chat and you just replied rather than yes or no, I'm drunk. You can't trust the man's answer when they're drunk, can you? I can't give you a proper answer. I like the honesty. It's like trading the fifth. It's better

than that. It's being totally honest and transparent. I am removing any responsibility. I shouldn't be, I'm in no state to make decisions. Yeah, we were asking about a little segment we do every once in a while in the show. The reason, because I don't see, boom, boom. Day off Dean.

Day off Dean, you know, that's a half-miler. Only there's a way we could figure out what's going on. It says we're live, but we're not actually live on YouTube. So, yeah, this is going on. Well, let's get live on YouTube then. Now we're live. Are we live? Do we restart or have we been live the whole time?

Someone texted, please. Well, whatever it is, we're live at the Tower Studios here in Mar-Loop. Tower, Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, your number one, Chrysler dealer in town. Consumer Choice Award winner and number one, love tower. Chrysler Tower. Are you, did you have you smoozing a vehicle yet from Serge? No, I think he's mad that I made fun of the sugar intake.

Well, okay. I mean, he kind of, yeah, it goes both ways. I didn't realize he was. He didn't realize you'd lost three finals in a row either, so you had to live through that. I feel like you're even, Stephen. So we're all square. So we're here in the Tower. studios and I believe we've got Boomer calling in. Boom, are you there? Where are you, boom?

You're in the tower vehicle itself, it looks. There he is. In the, in the nation Jeep. Hi, buddies. Do you know what I'm in the nation Jeep here? Good start, by the way. Great start, fellas. Smooth, as always. Yeah. Real good. You must have packed the walking sticks in the back of the Jeep there. So, yeah, left them at home. I'm just reading an article here. It's called The Strangest Things Found in People's Ears. Number one, a three centimeter cockroach. Number two, a tooth. A tooth.

I'm glad you said roach at the end of that last one. I did, yeah. A match stick. Is that a cut? What? A matchstick, yeah. Barbie shoe. You got to be careful with those.

Barbie shoe, a smaller. Maggots, a dandelion, a cricket. That's the top seven. So, anyway, just light reading, maybe a coincidence I can see the dandelion deen like you use that like your Q-tips one he puts the flower over his ear in summer when he's getting yeah I lay down sleep all the time wake up off the grass I'll be hung over and shit yeah it's one of the questions I was going to have today because that's what that's what's what's what's happening today I am off to the hearing loss clinic

now Rhodesy is is not in town we it took us a while to get this all set up and still I told you guys Rhodesy, he's a playboy. He's a jet setter. So I believe he's in Victoria or something doing something. So I'm going to, I believe I'm going to meet up with Hannah today and have my hearing assessment done at the hearing loss clinic. They've been doing it forever. They're the best in the business. I am very curious to see what they find. I hope no cockroaches or maggots. Yeah. We'll start with that. Do you think there will be something? Yeah. What are the odds? If we go to our Betway app, what are the odds that we find something in your year? Are we talking plus money?

Is it very positive? Like minus 200? What are we thinking here for finding something in Boomer's ears? I'm going to go minus 100. So even money. Kind of even money. I don't think there's anything in there because I do go in and like I say, I clean them out a lot.

But I've never ever had a hearing assessment done. So there could be something from the 80s in there that I have never found. Just deeper. Yeah. Yeah. Could be like a maybe there's a Molson Canadian stubby beer. bottle or something in there. And they haven't known. It's been 25, 30 years. Who knew? It was there that long. What do they say about gum? Like, if you'd swallow the gum, the people that

you always get scared as a kid, oh, that I'll stay in your stomach forever. Like, maybe you just tucked your gum in your ear in grade seven and it's still there. It's way in there now. Who knows? Yeah, it could be. I swallow the gum. Doesn't everybody, don't we swallow the gum? No, it's, no. I really don't. Yeah. I don't want to get too newsy on you, but real quick. No, shut up. So anyway, so there's that. So there's that. So I'm going to do the hearing the hearing assessment and we'll take we're going to take some video and we'll have it on the show in the coming days or weeks and the other part is I I can't get up the stairs to the studio today Can't get up the stairs to the studio tight hammies getting worked on work on us Unbelievable men Brett I told you yesterday. We stopped that

To get your your coffee there. I said you know what? I got a little something nice Well something it's a little worse than usual because I get I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I get the feeling every, I don't know, a few months, like, oh, it's kind of there. And then it just goes away. And I haven't had a real onset blast in probably 10, 12, 15 years. I know when I was living in Red Deer, I used to get it a lot. It was a bugger. But I was, it started yesterday and then about 2.30 in the middle of the night.

And I couldn't get back to sleep. I've got a case of the gout and it's a son of a bitch. The gout sucks. And it sucks for multiple reasons. But mainly, like, for where Dean's at, if you can't, like, even slightly bend the joint of, like, a toe or your foot, like, you can't move.

You're completely demobilized. Immobilized. That's a word, too. And then secondly, now you get worried about all the stuff you love in life. Like, you know, tasty things, booze. Hmm. No, see, I don't worry about that. I'm more curious because I there were no tasty things or booze.

I don't know how it happened or why it happened. It just, it's a flare up and nothing is out of the ordinary or out of the norm for me. So. But yeah, getting on shoes was an ordeal. Getting into the Jeep was a challenge. I'm not getting out. I'm not going up to see. I'm parked right outside.

Like I'm literally outside the studio right now. You're here now. I can't know. I'm right outside. I mean, yeah. If you look out the window, you'll see the Jeep. I can't make it up the stairs. So that's what's happening.

What do you do for this? Drink lots of water. Water and Advil doesn't. There's not a lot you can do. There's a medication. It's called Colchicine, which is kind of, it's supposed to get after it. It's poison. But other than that, you just kind of take Advil and suck it up, sweetheart.

That's about it. And if it becomes chronic, then you get on the allopurinol, I believe it's called. That's right. Yeah. Something that's a daily that keeps fighting the lactic acid levels, which are the enemy here in Gout. This is not good. Yerick, thank you. Yeah.

You're in a cold. Cold bath. Yeah, I need a cold plunge. But yeah, if you've never had it, it's, uh, got yourself. It's no laughing matter, is it? It's no laughing matter. You know what, Red? It is no laughing matter.

That's right. I'm glad that you have sympathy for me. I can feel it because I thought maybe you guys would just kind of laugh. No, I actually do. One of my greatest fears is life is the, morning I wake up with the gout I don't like to feel like there's a inevitability to it I'm praying and hoping that it doesn't rear its ugly head but I never make fun of anyone that gets to go tease and peace thanks thanks for the teas

tees because they always oh it's oh you know you having all that red meat and red wine and somebody's living life rich no I'm flat broke I had fucking lipton soup for supper it ain't that it ain't red wine and fucking meat so that I don't know what to chalk it up to It's no fucking good. That's what I know. Have you had seafood lately? Seafood. No.

Crestations. No. No. It's hot dogs and fucking lipped in soup for supper last night. That's what it was. The, apparently. So your eyes been bugging you. People are still cracking you for wearing shades on the seven.

I know. I usually like when you find of you. I've defended you staunchly on this. Like, look. Thank you. It hurts his eyes. We got like six, seven lights aimed right at us. that this looks good for the YouTube.

Stop bugging them about the sunglasses. Now the gout, at least you're going to get great news at the hearing loss clinic today. That's right. If there's one thing I know about me is that good news just comes in waves and it just keeps on coming.

So really excited to hear, yeah, really excited to hear what Hannah has for me today. God damn it. So do they have a gurney in the parking lot ready for you? Or are you going to get in there? What if there's a set of stairs?

Yeah. And of all, take the video of me fucking gimping my way into the friggin' clinic today. Can you bring the equipment out through the Jeep to do this test? Seriously. Yeah. I don't know what you need. It's like headphones, what else do you need? Can you do it right here?

Oh, Christ. But everything else is all right. Everyone's good. Everyone's all right. Yeah, yeah. It's a beautiful day. I mean, for the mobile, it's get out and enjoy the weather day, which apparently you were saying it's smoky out east rut.

Yeah, kids out east are not allowed to go to recess or field trips or any outdoor activities. Lots of smoke in there. Yeah. Did you see Yankee Stadium last night? It was just the whole, it was covered. The whole, that whole area is just covered in smoke. That's a put judge on the aisle, I guess. And we were just getting into it.

What the heck's going on here? We were asking them about what we should do on the show today. And rather than give us any show ideas, he just replied, I'm drunk. So we were just diving into that. But when we, you know, you jumped on the show here, we got the second start, whatever it is. Do you want to give us any details or no? It's Vernon's fault.

He was supposed to take me and drop me off at the mall. Yeah. Where I was going to get picked up shortly thereafter. Instead, he took a tight, right, terrible driver, by the way. Oh, really? Terrible. Well, he's ADHD, he said yesterday. Yes, he's very distracted.

Anyway, we made it to the Britannia place. And we went in there and went to have a glass or a drink or a beer. and I'll be damned if my old neighbor wasn't sitting there waiting. And all of a sudden we got reminiscent and we're downtown and driving around the old area. Oh, yeah. Getting nostalgic. The good news is you weren't driving. I was not driving.

Not like those good old times, eh, rat? They're like good old times. Yeah. Used to be somebody. Used to. Yeah. I don't want to drop a bomb here on you. But I'm hearing that internally, this might be.

be decision day on a coach and we could have an announcement as early as the end of the week, if not Monday at the latest is kind of the word around town. I know there were some interviews going on. So I'm guessing that they'll wrap those up, I think today. Well, I haven't been back for my second, my follow-up interview. Then I think you're out. Usually do that, right? Before they hire.

I thought it was done. Aren't you going to hearing loss for insurance purposes? You got to do the full medical? Yeah. It's part of the hiring. No. Yeah. It's for the charter.

The plane. So many flights. The pressure on my on my eardrums is a bugger. Yeah. They don't want a lawsuit on their hands. Yeah. So what are we thinking? Is there, I'll tell you what, I've heard bugger all aside from the names that we kind

of have heard from Frank and Elliot weeks ago. It's Mitch Love. We heard it's not Gerard Gallant. Yep. Who else? I mean, what else are we here? Uska Love. Uska Love is the internal candidates for sure.

And I think we've heard a little bit about Marks of Art, Alex Tongay, and even Travis Green's name is kind of a newer addition to that group. I don't know if that's your final four or five, but that's sort of the list as I was writing off the top of my head, the first five that came in my head, that stupid fucking head, yeah. I don't know if we're missing anyone there. We probably are.

There's always a couple candidates that, you know, an assistant somewhere else in league we might not have had on our radar, but it sounds like there's a blend of both internal and external, as you'd expect it to be at this point. You know, it's still two things, right? It's, who's coming, what do you pay in and all that sort of thing? But what's the Iggedla situation? If he's coming in next year, is it as a coach?

Is it as management? How's that going to work? And if it's love who comes right from the American hockey league, what kind of taste does that leave in Huska's mode? Does he want to continue to work the D and be an assistant coach? Or does he look at it and say, you know, fuck this? This was, if I didn't get it now, how am I getting it next? time sort of. It doesn't feel the way that Ryan Huska would operate, but I'd

certainly understand that sentiment. Well, you do have to if you want to be a head coach at some point analyze, okay, where's my opportunity? And if I just continue this, do I ever get to the head coach? Because you can pigeonhole yourself into the assistant coach. He interviewed with Detroit, I believe, last

summer. I think that was New York. Chicago, thank you. Okay. So, either way, you guys had an interview. And I just, I wonder, like, is he the hot prospect right now, or is this not the time to do that. But how do you become the hot prospect if you're... Well, you don't come off a season where your team undershot expectations and there

was failures all over. I don't think it's the right year for him to be the hot candidate, but internally they'll do that differently. That's probably more externally. Yeah, that's 100%. But that's what we're saying if Love gets me. The other thing that's interesting, too, is if Mitch Love gets the job, that opens up a head coaching spot with the Wranglers, Huska's already been there, done that, right? He can't go back and if he's going to be a head coach again be a terrible you're going to do that i think it's a lose lose for him there because you're going to get downgraded and pay probably maybe not i don't know that you're travel and stuff's going to be not as i don't know that he goes that way and if you don't

have success what do you do you well and to be fair i i really like him i think he's a great coach and a good leader of men and you know a great teacher but it wasn't a fruitful run in the a so much as it was very middle of the pack. That's the difference between their two resumes. And, you know, it's not the same roster, but it's not an overwhelmingly better roster that he's dealt with. You know who it would be great to answer these questions? Connie.

Yeah. There's a guy down on the street here. Can we get a man or is he now going to do the tight-lived thing? Can he do the tight-lipped thing? I think he'll bumble around. He won't be tight-lipped, but he'll bumble around it more. You know what I mean? And we, you know, and we are pretty charming.

You know, we kind of, hey, buddy ho hey hey hey hey kind of give me those rips you get over here you and then the next thing yeah so i'm going to trade everybody and fire everybody it's going to be great so yeah but there's nothing left right conroy how long's it been two and a half weeks since he took over yeah that's right first order of business is to get into the coaching thing and that's darrell's been gone for quite a while i don't know i don't think it's imperative that they get somebody before the draft, but I don't know. I just think you have to get it done.

I agree. It gets busier with other stuff. You have to be able to move your focus is more of the, and I don't know what more interviewing and asking, at some point you have to make a decision. You've asked all your questions and got all your answers. And just a quick talk as I looked at it, Ryan Husk has been the assistant at the NHL level for five years.

He used the head coach in the America League for four. They missed the playoffs. Three years they lost in round one and the other. And again, same every year. But I just, there's a different feel around Mitch Love because he's a back-to-back coach of the year. And I don't know that Huska's name was coming up in other NHL circles like Love's is now. If what we're doing is. Did Huska, did Huska have the back-to-back goalie of the year? No, he didn't. He didn't. He had a lot of Kenny Morrison and Adam Olish-Matson, but I mean,

I'm kind of with red. I'm with red on that. I feel like at the American hockey league level, it's kind of like in junior, in junior, you, you're a coach and you could, but you can only do so much. with the roster that you're given, depending on where your team is at in its arc of success, maybe all of its good young prospects are already at the NHL level, or maybe they're cooking in the A. I just don't know if you can just use that success. And I'm not saying don't read, don't take Mitch Love as a good coach. I just wouldn't look at Huska and say, well, seven years ago, your run in the A wasn't very good. I don't, I wouldn't say it was bad either. It was just very mediocre.

And yeah, the rosters are different, for sure. It would take a really, really strong HL mind to figure out, you know, where those rosters were at. And again, goalie's the greatest. I don't think you're a racer of all time. To jump in there. But with Huska, I don't think the minor league has anything to do with it. How's his inner? He's the closest to the team.

Yeah. What's his interactions like with the guys? How is he going to change the coaching style in the system? What's he going to do differently from the guys that he's learned under that's going to have more results? helps with the group that is there. How's he going to overcome going assistant to heck? That's been a tough transition. That's never an easy thing to do.

So how do you do that? Those are the questions. It has Ryan Husk's resume right now and his being in the interview process for the head coaching job of his flames has nothing to do with his AHL. Which is kind of why I don't know that it's a big deal if Mitch Love gets this gig. He's been a five-year NHL assistant, we said. Yeah. You're going to give, to me it sounds like you're going to give someone. knew a shot at an NHL job?

Well, what's he been in charge of and is he dominated? That would be the question I'd ask. And I'm not saying he hasn't. Either way, I'm just saying somebody knew he's going to get a shot in an NHL job. By the looks of it, I don't know that Travis Green is maybe you mentioned it. I heard his name and it kind of was a bit out of left field, but it would make sense that he would want that interview.

Yeah, I can see him wanting it, but to me it's Husker Love. I would think Savard and Tange, as far as head coaches go, would be a long shot. but and there's probably name we don't we don't even if they do get it those four guys have never coached as a head coach in the n hl yeah yeah and it's that it now because cronan goes to anaheim we believe babcock's going to columbus is this the last of the musical chairs uh rangers right it sounds like labellette was the guy that they were interested in um Washington hired that spencer carberry yeah Columbus has done anand yeah so it would be calgary there's nothing left yeah i mean it's.

Burnett went to Nashville. John Hines is out there. Yeah. All right. Well, so yeah, well, that sounds like coming days.

I don't know. I feel like we talk, you bring it up with, you know, bring in the youth. I think there's something to be said about that with the coach as well. If you're going to have young guys,

you know, you know what Mitch Love is. It hasn't been a decade inside the system, but you probably feel like you know what he is as a coach. You can talk. to all the guys who played for him.

And I just think you'd hate like hell for this guy to go somewhere else. After you make a coaching hire, he goes somewhere else and then turns into a very solid NHL coach. I mean to say great. You just hate to have him within your system and see him have this success and then have him go on and be strong for someone else.

To me, it's like Conroy getting hired. he's been doing it for a long time awesome first chance surround it's what I said about Kevin Adams too in Buffalo surround him with right who you're surrounding yourself with yeah right and that to me is a big question is Mitch love if he gets it or Ryan Huska if they either one of them get it who you're surrounding yourself with you stay in status quo with the guys are there Mueller staying yeah right like what's what's the surroundings because if Mitch love

comes in and he's got and he goes with the guy i just that's to me the curious part okay do you go and find other guys as a first year head nchl head coach that have a big resume is it not like is it not an awkward party for mitch love if huska and kail mclean are there he hasn't worked with him so i think it's less awkward than it could have been i still all i'm saying is those are two guys they were head coach of the american league team and have been the assistant coach and probably one this job now you usurp them both unless you have a really good relationship with them and i don't know that they do i feel like that's that's not a great situation much like conroy like he said unique i think the guys yeah get the guys you can trust and you believe in you have faith in and i would think for

mitch love for his first nchl coaching job wouldn't you want him to be in a spot to succeed big time find your guys who do you need and and let's let's find the best situation for everyone's succeed and i i don't know how it works with with love as the coach and those two as the assistants maybe a cat no saying it can but it does seem odd uh everything send those those uh best a luck send those send those uh those fellows downstairs because i can't climb stairs so yeah they're on the way down all right that's our that's our goad update from the nation jeep courtesy of tower kreiser dodge ram jeep and oh look at this there's frank Hello, Frank.

As our NHL inside of Frank Saravalli is here, we lost boom to live. The Saudi money was too much. He couldn't turn it down, and now that's his last show with us. So I hope, too bad you didn't get a chance to take it by. Hopefully he does better than that poor reporter from the Washington Post. Oh, I missed that.

Please walk us through that. I was thinking you were going to say Rory McElroy, come on. You don't know the Khashoggi story? Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, I thought there was a press conference yesterday. No, that's, death jokes. Okay, good stuff.

Yeah. Well, hey, what a start. Rent, you're in Calgary. What, what's going on? I got, I got, I can cross the borders now, Frankie. I'm back and forth at random. It's cleared his name. I was going to say, is your family sick of you or what?

That's not, doesn't change, but they were stuck with me for quite a while because of immigration issues, immigration. Yeah, the sick stuff, I mean, that's not new, but the difference now is you can travel for it. If you'd have been coming to the combines in Buffalo out of state. Oh, well, I did that before and yeah, I don't even like going to the gym myself, obviously. I'm definitely not going to go watch a bunch of 18 year olds work out furiously so I can feel bad about myself. Just I saw you jump on right as we wrapped up our chat. We were talking about the Flames head coaching vacancy.

There's sort of a thought around the dome that this could get wrapped up very quickly that maybe internally a decision could be made as soon as today and that we could expect. an announcement later in this week, even Monday at the latest is kind of being suggested. Is that consistent with what you're hearing? It is. And I believe Mitch Love was the final candidate of the second round interviews that I think wrapped up on Tuesday or Wednesday, leading everyone to that speculation that a decision would be imminent. Now, if you go back and look at the playbook of how the flames handled the Craig Conroy situation. Internally, I think he was also the final interview of the second round. So I don't know if there's a trend there, meaning they sort of think they have a real good

idea of who the in-house best in-house candidate is and then proceeded from there. But, you know, we've talked about Mitch Love for weeks now, if not months, as the sort of frontrunner and lead candidate. that, you know, I just, I don't envision a path in which the Calgary Flames have the, you know, two-time H.L coach of the year, one of the best up-and-comers in the minor league system and allow him to walk from the agent, from the organization. It just doesn't, doesn't make any sense. One of Boomer's concerns that he's voiced a few times is that, okay, he's the former HL coach coming up to the big club. On that staff, there's already two assistants that were

former head coaches of the HL club. I don't know that it matters that much. do you think? Yeah, I listen to you banter about it. I'm not as concerned. I think there will be someone, my guess, added to the staff that has NHL head coach experience. There's enough of them around that would be intrigued by this roster. I would guess that Kirk Muller, for instance, if he's out of the running now, I believe, I doubt he's going to be returning to the Calgary Flames in that same sort of associate coach position, you know, they're going to need to bring in someone that has some of that NHL head coach experience just as a sounding board advisor for Mitch Love and maybe he has someone in mind.

But short of that, like I don't know them terribly well at all, but it doesn't seem like Ryan Huska and or Cal McLean, who, by the way, Cal McLean, I grew up watching here when he played in the minors near me. I just, I don't see them as overwhelming personalities that are going to overshadow Mitch Love. I think he's got his own stance, his own stands on his own two feet. And, you know, certainly I think is someone that one thing, he's got presence. One thing to consider with it all. And I'm agreeing with the Mitch Love analysis.

But I think something that's going to be important for the Flames organization as a whole is, a connection to the community. So when you're considering coaches, I think it's going to be important that I wouldn't be surprised if there's a guy that has prior time. Sounds like you know something, Rhett. No, I don't know, no, no, no. This is my own.

I just know that how Conroy thinks. And I believe that there will be an emphasis put on guys that have been part of this community in the past. and give me an example like I'm not saying Tangay was an example Tangay is an example Alex Tangay

someone in the comments is saying Bob Boogner Mark Savard These are guys that have been in Calgary and Connie would have ties to Okay that makes sense I don't have a dead nuts

confirmed or for certain but I would think that Tangay was actually also part of the interview process for this position itself So I don't know what his thought process is if he's not selected to then pivot to being maybe it's kind of actually what happened with

Dave known as if you think about it he was interviewed for the job yeah and then didn't get it and then was you know brought in as a senior VP and AGM okay a bigger pitcher stepping back looking at the flames the chaotic offseason we were through some of the heavy lifting a head coach will be announced and then you got to deal with okay all these pending ufas but if i'm a fan over the last you know 20 30 40 years since they got here and I'm saying, hey, look, since 89, it's pretty much only been first time GMs and first time head coaches

with a couple exceptions. Why will it work better this time? What would your answer be? Or should there be concern on that front? That it's two theoretically green first timers if it's a Mitch Love or Ryan Husko. And Connie is his first job. Julian Grisbaw seems to do

okay in Tampa. So does John Cooper. Yeah. They never had an NHL job at that position before now. Yeah. Go down the list. There's a long list of them that you have to get your start somewhere. You don't just wake up with, you know, 14 years of NHLGM experience.

It's hard to come by. And I don't, this is going to sound really funny to say. Like, there's a lot that goes into the position. so I'm not minimizing it by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah. But if you have critical thought and you surround yourself with the right people, this job doesn't need to be overwhelming. Yeah.

Reth said this for a while now. It's, I don't want to say it's not rocket science, but it's not rocket. Like, it's a lot of work. It's not rocket science. That's what it is.

It's a lot of work and it's a lot of knowledge, but you're not building rockets to get, There's no science to it. It's information. It takes conviction. Yeah. I think that's one of the biggest things is having confidence in your ability to evaluate talent and trusting the people around you to do the things that you're not good at.

Like to me, that was one of the most refreshing things of Craig Conroy's press conference was he said, I don't know everything. I can't, like no one person, no GM can be good at every facet of this business, whether it's, ARB cases and the salary cap, or whether it's, you know, mashing together the proper contracts that you need, amateur scouting, pro scouting, player development. There's going to be some running your minor league team. There's going to be some facet of this that you just, it's not what you're good at. So instead of being pig-headed and think that you can go do it all yourself,

surround yourself with the right people and trust them and let them do their job. That's what it comes down to. 100%. It is Frank Sarvalier, NHL Insider, presented by Bontan meat market of Calgary tradition since 1921. You can find them at 28 Crowfoot Circle Northwest. The cat's already out of the bag, because you mentioned yesterday.

We sat down with Mike Vernon. That'll be dropping later this summer. He said back in the good old days, 1989 when they won the Cup, like Cliff Fletcher was one of the best, I guess, collaborators, you know, bring people in, gather lots of ideas, and knowing Craig a little,

and you obviously know him a lot more. Like talk about a guy. that's great at that. Use the people around you. Lean into your network. A great collaborator. And I feel like, you know, there's been some people in the organization that have been that. Daryl is known for silos, not collaboration, not to mention a few others. It's a necessity. It's not an option. You can't operate in silos and think that you're going to be successful because going back to the point I just made about the different facets of the organization and all the different things that have to come together,

to think that you are good enough, smart enough, and more to the point, have enough bandwidth to possibly be able to tackle all those things at once. Can you imagine also trying to do that while being the head coach of the team? It's impossible. So you need collaboration. And like you need to have the humility to say,

I don't know everything. And Craig Conroy, it's really. He addressed a couple of the things right off the hop. One, I don't know everything. And two, I'm going to make mistakes. When's the last time in any new GMs press conference, you heard someone say, I'm not, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to make mistakes.

Never. He just said, the key to the job is minimizing how many you do make. And I thought that was so smart because it admits that this is, is the only science that comes with this job, not to say that anyone's going to be working at SpaceX, is you don't, you can pick a player at 18 years old that you feel super comfortable about and in your thought process, but you don't have a crystal ball and you can't project what they're going to look like at 23 and 24, which is the whole name of the game. So there is, there's a little bit of science.

there's a little bit of voodoo. There's a whole bunch of things that go into it that you just, you don't know. One year you get 922 out of Jacob Markstrom and the next year you get 890. Like there's no rhyme or reason to it half the time. And how else do you explain why the Boston Bruins aren't facing the Vegas Golden Knights in the Stanley Cup final right now? Like they should have, by all accounts, beaten that Panthers team multiple times.

Yeah. Up 3-1, but up 3-1, but also. also up in game seven. Like there's, it's, it's bananas. Okay, so let's switch gears. We saw a big trade yesterday. Ellie's clearing out cap space, trying to get Gavikov re-up, Columbus gets Proverov, Philly gets some picks and a couple depth pieces. Like this is sort of the beginning of when we start to see a lot of trades. We're heading into the draft. That draft capital is important teams. And people want to get their ducks lined up for when the start of the new year, fiscally begins July 1, free agency, the cap, all that. Walk us through some of the hot spots

around the league. Well, You know, I think all these teams that were involved in that transaction, Columbus, Philly, and L.A. are all really just kind of getting started, all accomplishing different things. The Flyers have ripped the Band-Aid off and you're going to see an exodus of players. Danny Breyer is rebuilding. I don't know that they're quite going to go the full Chicago route, but it's going to be closer to that than a lot of the other rebuilds that we've seen. So the names that you're going to hear in the next few weeks, you heard Carter Hart on Tuesday. I don't think they're antsy to do it, but they're certainly listening, nothing imminent at this exact moment in time. Kevin Hayes, Tony DeAngelo, Travis Sandheim, you know, go through the roster. I think Travis Keneckney is probably at a different price point.

Joel Farabee, there's a whole bunch of guys that teams are going to be calling on. So that's the Flyers aspect. The Blue Jackets now, after using that pick that they got from the Gabrikov deal, are now going to focus on getting a center. That's the one thing, you know, as intense as Boone Jenner is, and I like his game, he's got a limited skill set and ceiling. He can't be your number one center. You need to fix that position. And so hoping that someone that they pick at number three overall is going to accomplish that this year is foolish.

They know that. And the seat is getting warm for Yarmor Kekalainen. In L.A., we expect them to use that salary cap space that they got from dumping the Peterson and Walker contracts. to then re-sign Vladislav Gavakov, but the big thing is, what do they do in net? That's the one position. They still have a logjam on the right side of their defense. Gavikov is fit like a glove on the left. And in net, they tried Corpusallo.

Peterson was supposed to be the guy that they were turning the baton to after Jonathan quick. That hasn't worked out. I wouldn't be shocked to see them be one of the teams that's in the mix for someone like a Connor Hullabuck this summer with some cap. With some cap flexibility that they have, I think the Kings, if they can get a goalie, are going to be very well positioned to be among the class of the West moving forward. What's the smoke around Alex DeBrinke?

He was brought in. He's an RFA this summer. One year in Ottawa, it seemed like a pretty confident move made by a young club that hadn't made the step yet. And are they going to have to move them? Is he a pain in the ass too? Why is this guy getting moved? What's going on? I don't think he's a pain in the ass.

I think he's just sort of naturally curious like anyone would be before considering signing a long-term extension. First off, he's American-born. Second, we don't know who the owner's going to be. How soon they'll be playing in a new building, who the GM and who the coach is going to be. I don't know about you, Rhett, but depending on what they're offering me, unless it's the sun, the moon, and the stars, I'm probably not putting pen to paper on a long-term deal with anyone until I have the answer to some of those questions. So that's part of it.

There's tons of rumblings out there about what these next ownership groups might do. We just don't know who it's going to be. A lot of people think they have GMs and head coaches in place. I reported yesterday that one of the prospective ownership groups has engaged Patrick Waugh as a potential head coaching candidate. Like there's all sorts of things happening behind the scenes that, you know, really is in a holding pattern right now. And speaking of smoke, the wildfires in eastern Canada, it's insane where I am here in Philly.

I know that's typically a Western Canadian thing, but we have some legit health warnings out there. Kids indoor recess today. Yeah, not good. We were dealing with that. I want to say a month ago. My kids in Buffalo, same thing. Field trips canceled.

outdoor activities canceled. We need rain. You make good points on the Ottawa stuff, Frank. Go ahead, Red. I can't remember if we talked to Frank about this, but a few weeks ago or a week ago, somebody brought up a trade with Columbus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, excellent.

The Lindholm home from Calgary. So Aaron Portsline was chatting with Julian McKenzie, who's the new Calgary beat reporter for the athletic, I think his first season here. Portsline's been forever installed in Columbus. And they were just spitballing, but it really dovetailed with what you were saying with Columbus. Like, they're moving forward quickly.

This is not the beginning of a long, slow process when you hire Mike Babcock, when you make the types of deals that they're making. The deal was interesting because it changed the way we thought about what Craig Conner could do. And it also allows you like, oh, geez, there could be some fingerprints here. Number three in Lindholm being the principal piece of swapping hands. I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm asking, is this a live thing? But is that the type of deal you could see Columbus making? And then conversely, would the flames entertain a deal like that?

Well, I think the flames would have to think about it just because you'd have to think about, potentially solving both the here and now sooner than later with regards to Lindholm and the next deal. I can only tell you this, having checked on that story in the last few weeks, it's great fodder for us to talk about, but I don't have any indication that the Columbus Blue Jackets are willing to move number three overall. And in fact, I had poked around yesterday as the trade was going down, is there any chance that number three is involved? They're like, what are you kidding? that's how high regard the blue jackets hold this pick in so as good of a player as Lindholm is and intriguing as he is especially for one more year at that price point

it's not happening for number three overall and if it were to be on the table I'd have to think that the flames would be giving it a long hard look uh UFO class you published your top uh UFCs a while ago it's not the sexy of list but there's also a couple names you wouldn't hat on there that I've got to be rocketing up. We talked about it yesterday. What does the world look like for Aden Hill? Is this Bennington all over or is it a little bit different? No, I think it's different as good as he's been, 937 save percentage in these playoffs. It's been ridiculous.

And in fact, I'm kind of wrestling personally. What do I do with my cons my smife ballot? Because he's been that good. I just, I think for goalies to get into that conversation, you have to really be exceptional. and he's really right on the borderline of that. How much of that is an impact, though, from Bruce Cassidy and his system? I just wrapped up Daily Face Off Live before this, and my co-host for the day was Colby Cohen,

who played for four seasons under Bruce Cassidy, and he was saying, if you stick to the system, he has the ability of the way his team plays to take an average goalie and make them look really good. I do think that there is, I'm not saying there's a direct correlation, but I do think there's an impact of system to goaltender performance. Yeah, we've seen in Carolina too, right? Like, it doesn't seem to matter who they plug and play. You get good goaltending because you don't allow a lot of great chances.

Well, so look at all the different guys that Vegas has used this year. So I think people sort of have a skeptical or naturally skeptical viewpoint of what Hill's next deal looks like. It's going to start with a three, I think. I think it's closer to three, seven, five a year. And I don't really have any indication as to why it wouldn't be in Vegas. Like he's their property, like they need a goalie. They don't have anyone signed up for next year.

If they win, how do you, it's kind of like letting Mitch Love walk away from here. You've got a goaltender that won you the Stanley Cup possibly and you're going to. And just while we're on that, are you seeing any chance of a Robin Leonard return? There's two more years at four and a half, I believe. Is he done, done? Not 100% confirmed, but I think that's the speculation behind the scenes. Yeah, because if you know that money's dead, you can approach that challenge a little differently, obviously.

11 starts for Hill this year, nine wins. That is tidy in the postseason. Wow. Well, the Golden Knights have just been ridiculously consistent. Yeah. What are you seeing in that series? Man, I just, if I'm Paul Maurice and you have a second consecutive off day today, you're trying to sit there and conjure up a path forward for your team.

And I just, I don't know one thing that they can hang their hat on, right? Like, I'll run through them in 15 seconds for you. Both of their special teams are garbage. Their star player, Matthew Kachuk, is a few degrees off center and definitely off kilter. I think the whole team has been as a result. Sergei Barbarovsky's allowed eight goals and 87 minutes. Radcoe Gudis is expected to play in game three, of missing him in game two hurt.

It too loose to Ryan is a big part of their team. And I just, I don't know what you turn around. Oh, and the chaos, it's been extremely chaotic in front of their own net. But more to that point, they've created so very little in front of Aden Hill that I don't, like, what is your calling card here? What is your path back into the series? I don't know what it is. And I don't see Vegas losing four of the next five. Yeah, I don't see him losing four of the next five.

I'm hoping that the Florida can put something together to make a series of it at least to cause some interest. I actually would think the only thing that they can control is minimize the chaos. The discipline. You've tried to be the ramrods and this and that running around and act like, not idiots, but you're trying to be. Acting like Warreners. They're trying to be intimidating and pissing around.

But in all reality, I think they got to just go play some hockey boys. Let's try and skate and play and have some discipline. It's six skaters left on their bench yesterday night. But by the way, like an absolute ridiculous show by the NHL officials. Like, this is not, no one's coming to see you handing out 10 minute misconducts. I know the game was out of hand. It doesn't matter. You're taking the best player on the Florida Panthers and sending him to the locker room.

You're directly influencing the end result of the game. Yeah. Wow. And at that, they can almost, I get what they're trying to do in certain. But when you go that far, you can almost piss the guys. off more where it's like, F you then. Now I am going to be a prick. How's Murray's handling all this?

I know he's a take a deep breath was a quote after game one. And I feel like he's got to have some similar sort of narrative after that. But he didn't look like he'd taken a deep breath. Did he? He was freaking out the whole night. Everyone just fucking breathe. Yeah. That was the actual quote.

Sure. But I mean, did he show that? It didn't look like he'd take everyone just bleep and breathe. He looked like a guy that was wound up as much as the rest of that team that was undiscipline. He just is wound up. He always is wound up. It's actually one of the favorite moments that I've had covering the NHL.

I was in Nashville. I'm trying to think it would have been Winnipeg, Nashville in that 2018 series. And they had a game seven. And I just happened to be walking out of the rink after the press conference. And Moe was walking to the bus. And we linked up and he put his arm around me. and in like a 30 second span, he dropped like 45 F-bombs

about how excited he was for game seven that night. And first off, I love the competitive fire, but more than that, I do think that teams and players feed off of the emotion and energy of their coach. Most of the time, that's a real positive.

And you would think that how excited he is, it is a positive for this Panthers team because it's also mostly positive his viewpoint. But there is the, you know, as I mentioned, a few degrees off center. There's something to the idea that you can be overhyped as well. It's like telling your wife to calm down. Never go well for you guys? It doesn't work for me.

Paul Maris is telling guys to stay calm. Stay calm. Everyone just take a fucking breath. Okay, Paul, you go first. Okay. I don't want to drag you too long. last one for you, the cap has been, we talked about it. This was a thing that could be traded between the union and the league.

Cap sure, we'll move it up. But what are we getting? And the PA sort of saying, we don't want to trade anything. We'll deal with, if you're going to be rigid about it, fine. So a small, small incremental gain this summer looking like what's going to happen. And then next year you could see a massive jump. This doesn't feel like a great recipe for a league that's got GMs that really aren't that discipline financially sometimes.

It's still up for debate. I understand what Gary Betman said, but I've covered enough of these press conferences and lockouts to know that it's a negotiation. And he was throwing red meat to the players and to everyone else to get them worked up to say, really, they're not going to have us increase the cap. Like what's going on here? What it does is spur this exact conversation and talk among players. And I can only tell you that two weeks ago today, when the NHL and the NHL, met in New York, sort of the initial Gary Bettman, Marty Walsh, sit down at the table, talk, that one of the things on the table was increasing the cap by $3 million for this summer.

But to your point, it came with a list of things that they want. And right now there's no indication that the PA is willing to play ball. But I wonder what the stance looks like once the board of governors and and GMs understand that we're entering a fourth consecutive season of a flat cap. I think Gary Betman knows that people inside his own camp want to see a change. And I think, I believe that there's still a path forward for an increase this year. What would a timeline be for that? Because free agency opens July 1, you'd want to have that stuff cemented ahead of that, correct?

Tuesday, June 26th is when the GMs meet in Nashville. It's a Tuesday. I assume you guys will be nursing a hangover after hanging with, me on Monday night. I'll be working on one. I don't know that. I think we arrived Tuesday. We might need to,

yeah, we might need to take the old shampoo factor on Tuesday. Just, just, just lather in a little, a little something extra in the morning. But that's the date of the GM meetings where they usually share the cap for next season.

That's probably sort of the drop dead date to get it done. Interesting. It affects a lot. I mean, this team here's over the cap without any, change and with you've got room like that's an entirely different off season in terms of like how pressure points work how easy to download contracts how weary teams are of adding salary like that's that's a massive massive piece for the summer for everyone and a precedent setting trade i think with the

eight million dollars that the la kings were able to move for very little on tuesday that i had a couple GMs reach out to me and say, can you believe that's all they had to give up? A second and Helga Granz, who is a 5, 6, 7 defenseman prospect, a C-level prospect, who is, I'm told his most recent comp is someone like a Marcus Nodavara in the NHL. You know, could be an NHL player, might not be. That's a pretty short price to pay to move 8 million bones. Thanks, Frank. Appreciate it. Always great. And yeah, we'll see you soon enough in the flesh, which we love. It was great in Jasper.

Cannot wait. Awesome. Appreciate it. See you guys. There's Frank Sarvalley, our NHL Insider for Bon Ton Meat Market, 28 Crowfoot Circle. Have you talked to Greg yet? You're in town. Send him a text right now.

Ask them what you're barbecuing Friday night. Because it's, you know, Frank's got the bad weather out there with the smoke. It's looking pretty nice here. I think Dino was doing a barbecue for it. recast. 29 this afternoon. Can you get up there after the show? Hot.

Tomorrow, high at 29 again. And Friday, yeah, you're going to want to barbecue tomorrow. Today or tomorrow is your barbecue day. I'm going up there right now. Okay,

good, very good. I'm by Jack, a sandwich and then, oh. Jack, have you had the potato salad? Did you seem? No,

I haven't. You've not had the potato salad? He's new here. No. Jack attack's new. And again, we're not potato salad people. And we're not supposed to talk

with the potato salad. It's the best potato salad you'll ever have in your life. And you will like potato salad, but only the bontan potato salad. Now that you've mentioned the potato salad. Now you're going to have to get that. Now I have to get that. You know that he hasn't had the potato salad. Yeah.

You can see how like a lot of people's eyes will just glaze over. We start talking about the cap. But if Craig Conroy has to shed off money while changing this roster versus, oh, I got three million bucks to work with, it's very different options. Now, the same issues are present. You've got to seven UFAs. You've got to probably make a decision on the defense. your whole approach to know but i'm just saying the pressure point well yeah sure it might but

my point would be if you're just like oh we'll just move ladar well yeah if teams are cool with ladar 275 if the cap's going up that's probably you can get something really nice if all of a sudden you're like oh can we find someone for half that because i don't have enough room this summer like it changes everything what do you do in net what do you do well that's what i mean if it doesn't go up and you can't say he was trying to go with kind of a status quo approach to the next year Yeah. Well, can you even put the team together or if you don't have the money to maintain the guys and go over.

You have to make changes. All of a sudden, you're making changes. Then you're like, well, if I'm making a half of the changes, I might as well. I think the script and go young or I don't know. The easiest way to save around two million bucks is Vlodar. And so are you willing to take almost nothing if that's what the market bears, if the cap doesn't go up or could this be a really robust trade? Oh, geez, look this.

We've got another second rounder. Well, that's. And the cap's going to dictate a lot of that. that. And if you're Craig Conroy, you're like, oh, should we trade with Lidar? Well, what's the cap doing? Because I don't know what I can get to this guy until I see where teams are at financially. He might be the perfect price point for a team or be too expensive depending on what the caps doing. The one guy we're not talking about a lot, I know there's a lot of chatter about Elias Lundholm, and rightfully so. His two linemates left and have enjoyed, well, to varying

levels, success in new markets, different places. They all went through that COVID. nonsense here, which I'm not saying Canada did anything wrong. What I'm saying is if you're a 25 year old millionaire playing pro sports, life was easier in the States. And that doesn't mean candidates and wrong. You said right. But for these guys, it was tough here. We talk a lot about Lindholm. What we don't talk about is I think his defensive equivalent, a guy that's a rock solid top pair minute munching Noah Hanifin. They're in the same spot. They're almost the same age. You have very similar contracts. They're involved in the same trade. I feel like there's a big conversation to be had about what you do with Noah

Hanofin because he's not going to be cheap and you are going to be doing the same thing as Lindholm. Locking him up long term. He's going to demand Max term into his 30s. Is that a guy you're going to ride with until he's 35? He skates great. I just think that he's a more it's a piece you can fit in. He's a little bit younger.

He skates well. Here's my whole problem with the whole roster is the you're talking about moving Lindholm or Hanofin and those aren't the issues. Those guys aren't your issue guys. No. Those are guys you should be desperately trying to hang on to because I think that they will serve a purpose

for the term of their contract. Agreed. But only if, only if Lindholm's the only old guy left. Not when you already have two. You can't have three centermen that are 32 plus playing in this league. And the other thing I wanted to say,

because we're talking about coach, if you're hiring Mitch Leverasca, whoever it's going to be, how much influence do they get to have on what roster and what type of player they want. Is that a car, right? Like, you don't want to get too much, but you certainly want to fit the coach to the

personnel. You can't have a Daryl silo and tree silo. You're trying to fix that situation. Right. It's going to be a really quick turn. Okay. You get the job, whoever, Mitch. Yeah.

What kind of team you want? It's going to go from, right? Like, how are you going to play? How are you going to play? What do you play with you? I really want to get all these young kids in. It's like, well, okay, so maybe I will shed a vet. Right.

Whereas if you're going to run with the vets, maybe a first time head coach isn't the guy to run that route. I know that you're probably right. I think you have to. I hope. I don't know that you can do anything, but I hope. I would pray and hope that there's a market for Hubert or O'Codry.

Or a huge bounce back where they're not an issue. Yeah. I just, I just think that long, I don't, but this is the problem. If I don't think they're going to be bounced back, probably most people watching are.

Yeah. Your mic, just up towards your mouth a little more. Thank you. There you are. I agree with you. The idea of extending Linnholm is not a bad one, but when you put it in the environment,

you're already having Hubert O for the next eight, cadre for the next six, now you're like, oh boy. And I don't loop Backland in here because he's 35. He's not going to sign a six-year deal. If you have him, it's a one or a two-year deal.

And if he wants more than that, it'll be elsewhere. But if he's like good asset management with Backland? I mean, if he's great and you can move him if you're not good and still get something, sure. All depends of what you think next year is cool. going to be. Is this a team that's going to be better because Darrell's gone? They got the coach.

I would hope the goaltending is better. I would hope the power play is better. Shillington coming back doesn't make you worse. No, I think they should be better too. I just don't know. They played so poorly and disinterestedly that I have a hard time believing or seeing

how they're going to be a bunch of guys with energy and effort and showing up and outwork in other teams. And I watch the playoffs and I don't know that they have the the speed or the offensive creativity to play in these series. And how much of that is system and how much is that the personality build? This is the challenge of Conner is going to unlock. How much was it being mad at the coach?

Yeah, totally. Right. Like if you're 15% less interested in playing because the coach you don't get along with. Yeah. It'll show up. What's that equal? Yeah. No, you said it the other day.

It's like, man, if you had a best friend on a team and that team wasn't there the next year, you'd just be down a little. Now imagine the storm cloud that Darrell couldn't. be if you're not getting along and the team's using like what's that worth we'll find out how much better and to be fair there's a couple guys that look like they quit those guys are going to have to not do that this year no matter what the fuck happens even if you don't get along with the coach yes if you don't get along with the coach and you're ready to quit again then the issue really lies with it's yeah yeah it's honestly there's a lot of layers to this for connie's first off season

and number 16 in a deep draft seven pending ufas go get him connie Connie, we know you talked about mistakes. Just don't make them this summer. And to be fair, like, that's just being honest. The best GMs in the sport make mistakes. Oh, it's quite regularly. Yeah. This guy was on waivers.

Why didn't anyone get them? Like, I mean, it's just, it's not, oh, the equation says do this or not. Like, there's a lot of art here. This is more art than science in a lot of ways. Putting a group of people together in the same room under the leadership of certain group of people and under, you know, we're going to play this way. Like there's, there's a lot of feel here more than I often give credit because I love looking at data.

The one that stands out to me last year were the defenseman we lost. Yeah. The kid that went to Phoenix. Oh, that was drowned. Mackey. Oh, Mackey. What? Waivers.

To me, that's mismanagement. Because you talk about Noah Hanifan and maybe getting rid of them. You don't have any step in. That's the guy that could theoretically play his role. You let him go for nothing. Yeah. And again, it's some blood on the GM's hand. There's a lot on the coach's hands, too.

And they're both gone. And Valamaki is too. If you're Connie, you're like, fuck, I could use that piece this year. Yeah. Because I'm going to be a player. Now I can move Hanifin for a haul. Let's move up in the first round.

Let's get another second. I'll bring in a guy under cost control. Frustrating. And look, that's why there's going to be a new GM and a new head coach. Shit hit the fan. Yeah. Teams that are in great shape, positioned to win a cup that are on long. runs in the playoffs, don't just change coach and GM.

This happens when things didn't go like they were supposed to. So go ahead and make it work like it's supposed to. What a year it has been for the flames organization. No kidding. Okay. We'll switch gears. Let's go to the Pender Report. We do that for Village.

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We will start with, do you want to sing? Happy birthday? Do you want to blow out the candles? What do you do for Milan, Luchich? I don't want to start a fight here. Milan, happy birthday. 35.

Give him a contract? That'd be a nice. Connie, careful. someone will I think he should go to Buffalo I don't mind that is Ocposa playing a similar role or not because he can't play the

I think they have I think they made a mistake with Ocpoza they give him too much money and I know it's one year but they've got so much room in a cap that it's that's not the issue like they've got cap space so you could bring in Luch maybe give them the same contract two and a half even though I think that's overpaying

but it might but for Luch he'd play for that I got to think and he that's he can have a major impact with that group those guys are shit scared there's a lot of teams you're like that wouldn't be the worst team like dallas they got all those young guys that's my birthday present to luch and getting them a mccontra yeah luch just to send over the commission to ret your agent sits out this one i'm here that's the little bit of flames news also we talked a lot about they're wrapping up the head coaching hire so expect news in the near future internally it could be done as soon as today. I'd think if it gets past Monday

without an announcement, that'd be a little surprising. We'll see. I'd be stuck. Yeah, really surprised if it goes further than that. In the NHL final, no games today. They are tomorrow. No Radco Gudis at skate today. Also, no.

Frank alluded that he's going to play. I heard that too. I think he will, but he probably shouldn't. It's the same situation as the Redster. He's going to say the right things and getting the line up and do his damnedest. What would you tell the Rettster right now? Because you sort of alluded to, no 4.

I don't know. It's easy to look. Because it's the cup. And if you know you're not winning, it's different. But at that point, you're like, we're going to win this thing. Yeah. I don't. There's certainly concerns for your health, the older you get,

and recognizing the things that you did to your body and brain. Yeah. But I don't know if I'd change any of it. There was some famous study that was done. I don't know when it was, but it was like, they asked Olympic caliber athletes, if you could take a pill that guaranteed you gold medal. But you had a chance of dying in the next five years. Would you take it?

And it was like 15 to 30% or something. Somewhere in that window, people said, yeah, do it. Like the stakes are incredibly high. And that trophy means so much, so many people. Yeah, okay. Yeah, there's lots of people. I'm finding a way to play. I don't care what you say.

Yeah. You got to be wired differently to be a pro athlete anyway. I think you have, the idea of winning at all costs is not crazy. Anyway, moving along. Those look for Lesterine and Goudis to be game time decisions. tomorrow. Alec Manoa talked about the struggles yesterday. He down.

Say young. Oh, wait. Last year, Say Young votes this year, Florida Complex League, which is the old Florida State. It's too bad. I hope it's an indoor arena.

Gulf Coast. It's very hot and humid down there. What's good is their training facilities down there so they can get them in the quote, lab, the pitching lab, where they can get the Rapsoto machine watching what's happening with those pitches. They can slow-mo his delivery.

delivery, what's happening, why don't we have consistency, inability to throw strikes. He's also had a lot of weight for a guy that goes $260 last year. Geez. Why are you don't have a lab in Florida? It's only in Florida. Why isn't it? I'm sure they have some of that stuff in Toronto, but I think part of it is that the minor leagues are so huge. Their center for training in season and off is down there.

All right. But yeah. Go, Manoa. Go, Manoa. The good news is they do have a pitcher that is going to get some. of Sall Young quotes, it appears. Kevin Gossman or Guzman or... However you're also.

I mean, potato potato. Phenomenal last night. 13 strikeouts. I want you to watch this sequence here. The first pitch is his sinker, which falls off and hits the dirt. And the next pitch is the fastball. Okay, dead straight. So watch them when you overlay them.

Watch how late in the pitch before they separate. Like, you're halfway to the plate there. One's a foot, like, off the plate, and the other is the bottom of the zone. Good luck hitting this guy. You're just guessing. I could hit this. Shut up. Nothing makes me more angry that, well, that's one of many things that makes me angry.

The common guy saying, oh, I could hit a, I could hit off a major. No, you could not. No, you could not. No. You might break your hand, catching one on the wrong part of the bat. Like, no, you could not. I'm sorry. Yes, you play slow pitch.

No, that is nothing to do with hitting 100 mile an hour fastball. Other baseball news, bad news for Jacob de Grom, the former Metsace who signed in Texas, big deal. Oh, no. Six starts. Second Tommy John. Not good. What's better?

The first of the second Tommy. Hopefully the second for Jacob de Grom. Yeah. The first one wasn't so good. I mean, it's great for a while. I need another one. It's like upgrading your car, right? It's like going back to Village, getting a newer one.

That's like poor Mike Sorokens. Achilles. Mike, by the way, the option back to AAA. Two starts up. Just okay. Let's let them work. It's been a couple years. We're back at AAA Gwynet.

The Gwynett somethings. Connect to Gwinnett. Judge will be gone for the Yankees for a bit. No. That's not ideal for them, but excellent for the rest of the ALE East. Sprain and contusion. Got a contusion? Ah.

That's a fancy word for a bruise. I know what that is? Or a cut. Okay. We'll move along. We won't pretend to be excellent. where it's, uh, I'm sorry about your bills. Did you hear the news?

No. Their first ever Madden cover. So the Madden curse is now, doodoo, doodoo, dittal do on to the bills. There was a lot of, I was in a parking lot at the rink the other day and I heard people talk. Can you believe they put them on the cover of Mad? We can't be doing us. This was going to be our year. They're screwing us again.

That's tough, eh? Do we believe in curses like that? I didn't do not. Yeah, okay. Good. Because you weren't buying the... I think it's going to be great. He's single again and he's living it up.

Oh, is he single again? Where's Mrs. The former Mrs. Allen? A bit of a breakup. Really? You got the scoop here. It's very... Did the shoveler send you out so she could make moves here or what's going on?

Maybe she's upgrading. I don't know if it'd be an upgrade. I mean, could he be as charming and hilarious and kind and caring? I would almost say some rude, but... Okay, don't say anything rude. That's great. Patrick Mahomes is a great teammate, right? We know that?

And you could probably be like, I'm sick of them winning, his brother's Richard, you're a Bill's fan, they've hurt you a couple times. Watch how he saves his idiot buddy Travis Kelsey, who also happens to be very good at football. Here they are at the White House a few days ago, and they're posing for a photo with the president, Joe Biden, and Kelsey, what does he look at?

Oh, there's the mic. Why don't I just drop a couple verses here and wait until Mahomes see them. Oh, no, no, no. Sorry, I'm sorry. Sorry. Didn't even let him get a sentence. I know how this goes. I know how you operate.

Stop it. So this would be like, if we're in Nashville for the draft, for example. So I've been waiting for this. Sorry, I'm sorry. We can stop running. That's good. No, no. All right.

Let's say I'm in the lobby of a hotel. I've had a few beers. I'm starting to do my high kicking and like Gary Bettman walks in. You're like, no, no, no. Like, that's what we just saw there. That's protecting a friend from himself. I would let you. fail miserable.

I'm not a teammate. Yes, we're not friends. Fair enough. I had that feeling anyway. Suspicion at least. Leo Massey's moving. It was the long time FC Barcelona man went to Paris. A couple of years.

And inter Miami? MLS? Open wide for some soccer. Really? How about this? MLS. And apparently, not unlike Beckham, this deal involves more than

salary. If you see an uptick in Apple TV subscriptions who hold their television rights or streaming rights, he's going to get a slice of that. He's going to get a huge amount of money. He probably's going to end up owning a piece of this team when he's done. The greatest footballer of all time, I would argue, coming to MLS and not like 40-year-old, but like, you know, still played in one of the best clubs in the world last year. You're closer to prime, not prime, but closer, just won a World Cup. It's a big get for MLS. money talks right as we learned yesterday apparently money does talk they're not talking how much money he's going to make i think it's one of these convoluted deals where it could be worth a shitload but it depends on how much more money the business makes than he's going to get a piece of there's zero downside and massive upside for leo yeah yeah a lot of

also he's going to make people look foolish in that league because uh you know he's i'm going to go watch he's player in the world uh john morat remember we last checked in he was waving a gun around on social media Now, apparently, toy gun, Adam Silver, cool, 30 games still. Wow. What? I mean, I guess the NBA's point is kids watching you on social don't know that's a toy. You're being a jackass. And you've been told not to do it. And you've been told not to.

And I don't buy that it was a toy gun. I'm not a gun expert. I know you're. Prove it. Okay, yeah. Actually, don't prove it. Just stop waving guns around on social media, please. finally this is Rory at the RBC Canadian Open.

This is two years in a row that the RBC Canadian Open has been completely hijacked by Live News. Last year it was the announcement that Livvc was starting the week of the RBC Canadian Open. And now yesterday, the bombshell that the LiveGolf, DPP World Tour and PGA are going to be uniting the world of golf, aka taking the money. Now, do you think this is a, like, is RBC pissed about this? Would you think? I would say yes and no. No one's talking about the tournament, but a lot of people. will be watching because golf is front and center again.

So it sucks that they're not talking about the Oakville golf course, wherever it's being hosted or, you know, but last year was their most fruitful event in the midst of all this chaos. And I suppose you can sell that down the road, former guys like Dustin Johnson, who had the RBC logo on the sat for all that have gone to live. Now they might become, you have stronger fields in future theory, but then also it's head to head with a live event.

I don't know how to feel about it. Let's go to Rory, who maybe was the biggest loser of yesterday's news. He and Jay Monaghan for very different reasons. Roy for not taking the money and Jay for showing a lack of a spine or at least how to alienate the PGA's best players. There were calls for his resignation yesterday. I got a text message on Monday night, I guess,

from Jimmy Dunn saying, hey, can I give you a call in the morning? So I said, sure. Jimmy rang me at about 6.30 yesterday morning. We had a chat. took me through the news, took me through the deal, the structure of the deal, what it meant for us, what it meant for the DP World Tour.

So yeah, I learned about it pretty much at the same time everyone else did. And yeah, it was a surprise. I knew there had been discussions going on in the background. I knew that lines of communication had been opened up. I obviously didn't expect it to happen as quickly as it did. But I really think that, you know, from what I gather, the tour felt they were in a real position of strength coming off the back of the DP world, winning their legal case in London.

It sort of weakened the other side's position. And, you know, they went in there and, you know, the way Jimmy described it, you know, Roy, sometimes you got too 80 over water and you just got to go for it. And All right. Doesn't look like I lost a half billion dollars, but also not necessarily doing backflips there. And what happens to the commissioner of the PGA, J. Monaghan,

is very interesting to me now. He seems way more relaxed than I would. I wonder if there's, but was. There's been talk about a compensation package for guys that didn't leave, but that is certainly just talk at this point from what I'm seeing on social.

It would make sense. And if it was going to happen, Roy would have been told about it. The way that the PGA could say face to a certain extent is to have worked that into the deal. Yes. Okay. So you start players at stake.

We're going to, we're going to partner up. But the deals that you offered those guys before, yeah, maybe a poor percentage of that has to be paid out to them. So that'd be Rory. I don't know. Sheffler, Spieth,

Fowler was offered a ton of money and hasn't been playing good golf for a while. Whatever it is. Yeah. Like it's a lot of those guys. It was be loyal, be loyal. Okay, we're loyal.

What do they got for it to show for it? Probably have to try to make them at least partially compensated for that loyalty. They were begged to. They don't have to do it. No, they don't. If you wanted to be not a complete snake. If you want to keep your job, so we'll see what happens there.

And finally, don't you hate it when this happens? This is apparently back in Buffalo. The shoveler sent this in. Apparently she said to your one son, you can have one slice of bread and you hollowed the whole bastro or that's how you got it. I can't be fair. No, no, that's for the pocket dog. Oh, wow.

Fill that baby up. Oh, yeah. It might be able to fit chicken in that. That looks like a huge loaf. That's outstanding. Let's do it. Oh, man. That's pocket a dog.

Village is right up there by Fonton. I'm telling you. Also, check it out. If you got a car hanging on your hands, you can let them buy it from you. They've got a million bucks to buy used cars. They'll send you on a tropical cruise, pay it politely for your used vehicle.

Village Honda, you can see the QR code on your screen, give it a zap, your dealership for life. Find it more at VillageHonda.com. Yeah, a million bucks. Turn to cash. Car into cash. Do it? Yeah.

Do it. It's my brother's car, but yeah, I should. Oh, boy, that'd be a move. What do you do? You send them out fishing for the weekend? Something like that. Oh, perfect. Hey, I got you some money because I knew you'd lose some in Vegas.

Great. Where's my car? Gone. It's on Village Honda. It's been a really nice job cleaning it up. Oh, by. Okay. We got Batway bats to do.

Anything else front and center here on this day? It's, uh, we actually, yeah, coming up on an hour, 20 minutes or so. I think we're good. It's going to be interesting in the next couple days here what comes out of the saddle room or Conroy's. mouth because I think something will be. Yeah, and I think as much as the introductory

press conference was welcome and here's who I am, and everyone knows what Craig is, but I think we're going to start to see the first fingerprints of his vision for this club with the coaching hire. Yeah. Yep. It'll be good. The other thing I want to say, people that are listening.

What would be a good interview? Yeah, we let the cat out of the bag on Vernon. We had Vernon in yesterday. That's fine. I don't think it's... It's going to be great. Right? Is there someone out there that? Send the Retster on on Twitter a note for who you'd love to see us chat with. We're doing some long form stuff for the summer.

We've had, I believe, three done. We've got another one that you and Boom will do tomorrow. We've kind of been rotating guys through. There's another list of five or 10 guys that we're going to get to. It's really light in the summer for content. And maybe you're driving or it's like you're out on the golf course or it's, hey, we're going on vacation. We get this long haul or run.

the boat while we're fishing we want to listen to something we're going to do have a lot of long form chats with guys we've got three done already and more coming if you've got a suggestion for the retster hammer them on social let's do it because the six degrees of red you can be connected with anyone absolutely no idiots though I don't want some clown shows on who does that rule out I don't know Connie be a good one keep probably good but yeah Connie done please don't think Jerome there's a guy he would be good this is your teammates that we're leaving this on you why don't we have These guys lined up.

Let's go. Come on. Answer. Come on, fellas. Jay's in action tonight, NBA final tonight. Denver's favorite on the road in Miami. Tomorrow the CFL season opens. Lions and Stampeters.

Let's see we've got a new table in here, too. Yeah, new table. Maybe something else new coming with that table. Vegas and Florida will go tomorrow as well. Should we get to that? Stamps game tomorrow or just go tailgate? What's the move here? Tailgate.

I like tailgates. See if Greg's going on. What I'm going on? Yeah, Bont on today. I'll get the down. I'll get the lowdown, the lowdown. The lowdown. The LD. Whatever.

Let's go to our Betway bets of the day. I'm focusing in on baseball and basketball today. Betway, get the app, Ontario only 19 plus. Bet the responsible way. I like the nuggets. Minus three and a half. It's almost even money. Remember game one where they just select them and look better?

I don't know that we don't see a few more games like that. If it's tonight, there we are. nearly even money. And John the Marshalls throw scored in a billion straight games. Is that what I'm reading here? Wow. He's been on an absolute here. I think it's 12 in his last 12.

That's a major push for the old con smith. He is now, you have to lay money to, yeah, like he's less than even money at the con smith one. That's how good he's been. So why not stick with him while he's hot? Also, we'll watch for that first period over for Vegas. They've hit it 12 of the last 13 games or 13 to 14 and it's game day tomorrow. So expect to see that to more, perhaps, on the Betway bets.

And yesterday we drilled the Guasman bets because we had two striko totals. He eclipsed both of them. Oh, Guzdaddy. We keep misspelling his name. This bastard might win the Siong. That would have been a bet for the spring. I was telling people, Gossman, get your Siong. It's 35 to 1.

Come on, go, go, go. Enjoy today. Talk to Greg, please. We asked Brett Jack the other day. Hey, what day, how long do you hear till? Until I leave. I don't know when that is. It could be Friday. It could be

never. It could be July. It could be next Wednesday. I will not be here next Thursday Friday, Saturday. So you're not here next Thursday, Friday Saturday. So my point to you is this. You have a window here. I don't know how long it is. You don't know how long it is. Get the good meat on the barbecue sooner than later. Before this runway goes away, we've got a little rain showing up this weekend. Now is the time. All right. Okay. I'm going. Very good. Quit y'all. Betway, uh, partner of ours, those are bet we'll be back tomorrow boom we'll be back tomorrow boom good luck with the hoof today i hope it heals up a little bit yeah we'll see if that's uh gum from junior high school is found in his ear or not and uh yeah i you know his eyes are failing him it's the gouts flurring up we just want him to have three or four good senses can he still smell three or four more taste

can he still here good years yeah poor guy uh see tomorrow thanks for hanging with us today fellas As in a reminder, you can check out nationgear.ca for the barn burner gear. Send us some picks. We'll throw it on the show. Hey, why not? Go do that. Hoodies, t-shirts and more exciting things are going to be showing up soon. Appreciate you.

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