Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - Zary Update & League Notes Ft. Darren Dreger | FN Barn Burner - January 10th, 2025

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

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Hi, buddies. Welcome to another exciting edition of Barnburner here on the YouTube's and wherever it is. You're taking it in, of course. Friday is Hawaiian shirt day. So, you know, if you want to, go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. That's right. It's really catching on here two years in. I've been really enthused by how contagious.

Yeah, you know, it's. Play to your strengths. Yeah, okay. Every team has guys good at different things. You are our, well, you're good at it. You're the best, the best, the best at it. Do you wear jeans with your Hawaiian shirts all the time, though?

I don't really have jeans anymore. I don't know what happened. You're not a jeans guy. I have been many times, but not right now. I think they're too tight. It's a problem. Now the loose jeans are in. I'll have any loose jeans.

You're okay with the loose jeans. You don't like the Wrangler. well I just was on the rather tight side and now that's incredibly out of style I'm told is it oh the zippers are like opening on them I don't know it's not a good scene yeah what is in as far as fashion baggy are you have you seen all the baggy stuff dean dean you got a camera you've got a screen just look right in the right in the right in the middle slot right this is what's in that we are the trendsetters yeah we are true fashion plates yeah yeah

Yeah, a Hawaiian shirt, guy in a hoodie. Bringing a pack. No one's shaving. It's good. Yeah, we're, we've got it going. Hey, this program is a presentation of Bet365, the world's largest sports betting platform. You can open an account with Bet365 today.

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That's what we'll do. Not a game day. Yesterday not a game day. tomorrow game day for the flames anyway right have i got that because i there was some uh that is correct there's a game tomorrow for the flames it was supposed to be the second half of uh two in a row against the kings but obviously tragedy in l.A so it canceled the other one yeah that's not going well is it on their damn no not good at all not good um now the news i see people in the in the chat are There's some celebrating that in terms of Connor Zerry, who was injured a few nights ago in Anaheim, this from Frank Seraveli, which, I mean, does it?

Frank bomb, Frank bomb, it's a Frank bomb, Frank bomb, baby. Frank bomb, Frank bomb, Frank bomb, it's a Frank bomb. Get ready for a big Frank bomb. Update, bit of good news on Flames Forward, Conner, Zeri, as sources say initial imaging on Thursday indicated no damage to ACL or MCL in his left knee. We already had that. We had that for you on Afterburner. That's right.

Still assessing injury and more medical opinions required to determine exact timeline, but a couple major bullets dodged. That from Frank. Again, what we told you on Tuesday's Afterburner, exactly that. I'm pretty sure that's what I said. Yeah.

No, no, no. It was the guy. that told you that on Tuesday. Yeah, that's right. You ran through the ringer and he hasn't showed up to watch the show since. You ran him through the ringer. Is that right?

That's correct. I'll run in it. Who ran the who? You were at the table. You were busy hammering pie with your old teammates. No one knows what you're talking about. So that's good. So you have to be on Tuesday they do.

Yes. So I was on after burner. I still don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, but you were hammered. You were drinking vitamin B. I was. Pretty good shape. Thoughts?

Good. I don't know. Like if there's no ligament damage, what else is there? Like, is there still a meniscus concern? Like, I don't know if this eliminates a long-term time frame or not. He just didn't know. He's double-jointed, Dean. Is he?

He's double-jointed. Now he knows. So it can bend backwards. He's a camel. I set it on afterburn the other day. He's a camel. Flamingos. They can really bend backwards.

Have you seen that? Before? Sorry, guys. just a, I have a period. He sucks as that he looks like a faker because he was really in a lot of it. It wasn't a lot of pain. How do you say that word, W-R-I-T-H? Riding?

In pain? Yes, he was. That's the, it's not writhing, it's writhing. Rithing, and we do have the official recall just announced by the flames as well, Dee. Oh, well, great. Barn burner. We do have breaking news this morning. This via press release moments ago,

the Cowdery Flames announced today they have recalled center, Rory Karens from the APL's Calgary Ranglers. Cairns is enjoying a breakout season with the Ranglers, posting an HL leading 21 goals, along with 13 assists and 34 points, raking him second in the entire league in scoring. 22-year-old, playing very well. He was up.

Dropped by the Flames in the sixth round in 2020. with the shoe greyhounds in the O 180 points to bring its fun of the season I need to put the fade on that, eh? Probably like it a little instead of the hard. Yeah, just the tail there would be nice. Yeah, tail, okay.

So no surprise. We thought that center, Karen's made sense. It's been great in the A. Also, they're going to bring it to the centerman to replace the centerman that's played really well in the A? Yep. I had Connie Fidens, they do the right thing, and clearly, again, they have done it. Well, we'll see.

Are you being cheeky? No, I'm not being cheeky. Who else are you going to call up? You could call Stromgren, but he's a winger, and I don't know that we want to see more Sharon Govich at center. But yeah, I think Cairns was to. You still might see Sharon Govich at center, but just Cairns is the guy to call up. Might not play. Christ.

Lori. I heard, uh, You guys were talking about yesterday. It's not like this is a 30-year-old journeyman. This is a guy that they drafted, albeit late in the 2020 draft, which in a lot of ways is kind of a forgotten draft because the world was a mess back then. But yeah, he's 22. He's a center.

And to your point, those are okay numbers for a guy applying his trade in the American hockey league. Yeah, it's a second full year in the A and he's leading them in goals and second in points. That's a really, really good thing because what you'll see typically at the top of the HL scoring leaders is sort of these quad-eating. guys, veterans that are not NHLers on HL only contracts that are hired guns to be good at that level. He's a prospect still. The feat have never been great, but if

he keeps putting up numbers, who cares? Poor guy. I mean, that's what you said about Matthew Kachuk. You'd take him every day of the week, right? Smashing him on his foot speed for days and days. Rory, screw Pindler. You go out there and score some goals and prove him wrong. Matthew Kachuk

doesn't have great foot. No, you take him. You'd take him? Sure you would. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That has been the question. And he's to this point proven it not to be an issue at any level he's played at. We'll see if it's an issue at the NHL level. So that's good. And I know you, I also saw the clip there, right?

You were like, well, I'm not too going to get overboard with excitement as to what this guy's going to do. But you know what? We're going to cheer him on. Is that fair to say? Is that your assessment? Yeah, I'm not going to be cheeky about it. I'm not going to say, he's leading the league and goals, fellas. You're allowed to be excited.

Right. Is the league? Or the team? The league? He's leading to lead? I just read to you? I don't trust everything you read. You're like Ron Burgundy.

Cairns is enjoying a breakout season with the Ranglers posting an HL leading 21 goals. Well, that seems low for the A, but I guess it's halfway. You don't, look. I'm not criticizing. It's just conversation, Ryan. Yeah.

It's just conversation. I'm not questioning your stats. It's good. It's a press release, yeah. If anything, it's a good stat because both Rhett and I were taken aback by it. Yes. It was a marvelous. What?

Well, actually, it pissed me off because it's like I'm losing conne fordance because these guys can't score. And you've got the leading goal score in the H.L sitting down there twiddling his thumbs, waste on his time. Well, I mean, they got Kevin. Get him up here. They couldn't move Rooney. Is that what it is now? Because. There's a quick 180 from Red.

You see how flyable he is? Because he's got excited, whatever. How did they call this guy up their last and scorer? Yes. Oh, we've got the best goal score in the other league, but we can't score at all. Let's leave him there. Point for game, leading the league and goals.

Rory Cairns has 21 goals. That is tops in the American League. Ethan Frank of Hershey has 20. Ethan. And Samuel Fajer, Fajemmo has 19. And we don't have those guys, so who cares? But like, we can't score at all. We're terrible.

It's a surprisingly low total, but a lot of these teams and players are sort of in the low 30s of games played. Two-thirds of a goal a game is very tidy. Boy, we should have more points if we had a guy like that up here. Well, we will see what he is as an HL player soon. He had a great start. He roared out of the gate with seven. in his first four as far as goals are considered. You get a hat trick early?

Yeah. He had a big, big, big boom, bust, big, start. Yeah. Yeah, one of those. So only 17 goals in his last 30 games. Still very good. Still good enough for me.

I'll take it. They're excited. I mean, you could have called up Dryden Hunt, but I like, it's a little more. Yeah. You could have some guys. Darden Hunt is not leading the AHA and scoring. It's like, come on.

but he's not leading it's not you want to lead you want to lead the league maybe we'll give you a sniff go ahead rory took that took that to heart he said look at me only five of the 21 have come on the power play hey even strength guys a machine got to come up with some kind of a poor bastard's wrong rory lomberg um these are our opening state It's for McLeod law in case you were wondering. They are. Do we know any doctors at McLeod law? Yeah.

No. But they would have personal injury. They would probably have some ties to the medical field. So if they're not doctors, they're damn well versed in. Yeah. Oh, they know. Yeah. They know what they should send Zerite of these guys.

They did more opinions. It's said right in the press release. Sure. Franks bomb. Yeah. Franks bomb. Franks bomb. what they do have is Shane King.

So if, if Zary gets fired, if they just kind of cancel his contract, Shane is in the litigation and dispute resolution group, specializing in areas like employee rights. Because if you're laid off or terminated, it can be what the H is going on here. Shane will review your situation,

make sure you've been treated fairly and as the law requires. Practical approach, none of that legal jargon that's going to get to, I don't really know what you're saying. So McLeod law, Calgary people, Calgary born and bred, and that's what it's all about.

Good people, the best in the business, just happen to be living in our fine city, McLeod-dashlaw.com. So, yeah, if Conroy tries to pull a fast one on Zerry, then maybe he'd want to get a hold of Shane King. So your point, right? Could I speak with someone in the litigation and dispute resolution department?

I'll get Shane King for you. Please stand by. I don't think they'll do that, though. They'll probably pay them, keep his contract in place and help him. mend. So what does the Frank Baum actually tell us? Like I don't think it tells us anything

in what timeline. No, well, he's on the, I mean, I'll say this, I reached out to that they're very, they don't want to say much because they don't know. Does he have a broken leg? No. Does he have a bro, is the dislocated kneecap? Is the kneecap?

No. I think what it is is, I think they are being cautiously optimistic, but to come out and say, hey, we dodged a major bullet things are great they don't necessarily know that yet they're just going to try and we don't want a demco thing that's right that one muscle no one had ever heard of yes don't want demco you don't know the drag a lugah hugima muscle no because here's the thing like it's nice that you don't have ligament damage but there's a lot of other things that might not be great and you could probably come out and say week to week but you don't want to lead people to

believe, oh, like maybe by the end of January and then he misses the whole year. Like I still think there's a very wide range outcomes here. I do too. And you know what it is too. Don't, don't miss on this. This isn't the flames saying, hey, we're holding a press conference. And we'd like all of you to come and hear what we have to say. And then they come out and say, well, we don't think there's much.

This is Frank badgering Craig Conroy. Yeah. Hey, what are you got for me? What can you tell me? Is there anything you can tell me? What can you tell me? I just on the record off this sort of thing. Well, looks like there's maybe no, like we don't really know ligament damage looks

like we've maybe avoided that. That's what it is. So playing Frank is what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm into that. For being a pain in the old, Keith's like a, took us. Yeah, right back there.

Right back there. But yeah, I mean, put him on the IR. He's going to miss some time. The minimum time would be, what, 10 days post-dated to the game? So that's a week from now. Like, it's still all the outcomes are still there.

Next opponent will be the LA Kings, who's supposed to be the last one, wasn't, we'll be at some point in the future. Do we have any kind of ideas to what that timeline would look like when they'll make good that game? Yeah, Pike had an article on Flames Nation yesterday. Essentially, there's only so many open dates at Staples. Yeah.

All of them have conflicts with the Flames and the Kings until April 17, which is the last day of the NHL schedule and the Kings nor the Flames are playing. So that would be the safest bet, but certainly not done. And Rhett was wowed that Pike could, somehow get all this info. I called Pike. He also informed me that there's lots of chatter about a neutral zone site

game and maybe. You called Pike? Yeah. Can I use my bullshit card here, Dean? You called Pike, did you? Mike and I were discussing the flames and things make up. Of course you were. Yeah, yeah. In your called Pike. Routine conversations that you have with Pike.

Well, when I do my, you know, digging, yeah, you're working. Yeah. I'm digging into it. I'm doing my rounds. I'm like a doctor. I'm doing my rounds. I'm tall and all the people that are talking about all the teams. All the. Yeah.

So you called Pike and not Connie or. Well, he's doing his rounds. He probably called them all, right? Or Donnie Maloney or. I'm doing everyone, man. I'm going to get the info. That's right. How are you going to get the info?

Homework, Dean. Yeah. Do your homework team. Well, and speaking of neutral sites, we got one coming up on the weekend. Monday. Clarisol? No.

Oh. Well, you did your, your calling. I'm guessing it stems up more than just flames and hockey. The big NFL news that came out, the neutral site game. That almost makes me sad.

Yeah. It's not the best news. It is totally feel like it was going to happen. Rams and Vikings are going to play in Phoenix with the fires and everything going on in the L.A. area. Probably the, right move to move it away from sofi so they will play in uh i guess glendale saw somebody uh making the observation this morning online that uh so the NFL moves this uh to the stadium that's

sponsored by the insurance company that just gassed everybody's insurance right yeah i don't know how you're allowed to do that you're like hey all that fire insurance you've been paying into for 25 years we're that we're not doing that anymore yeah huh anyway We're not here to talk about that. It's not about that. Kings are in Winnipeg tonight. It's the, wow, Volardi revenge match. Yeah, so that, I mean, that was scheduled.

It's not like that's a big kind of a, whoops. This is Winnipeg for them last night or tonight. And then tomorrow, last night they are, I mean, Oilers lost a tough one. Oh. Oils, because they're two back of Edmonton for second in the Pacific. and I think they probably thought we're going to Pittsburgh. We're just going to hammer these penguins.

And Sid and the boys, Jack, they said, that's big. Ricky Racks. Ricky Racks is right. Yeah. We like that nickname around here. Yeah, you guys do. It's awesome.

You're quite fond of it for sure. Yeah, 5-3 over the Oilers. Feel like maybe the Oilers took your guys a little lightly. He can't do that. You shouldn't do that. And Dino, you know what we hit yesterday on our 365, We had the multi-point Crosby game and four shots from DrySaddle. We're rolling in it right now.

Yeah, but you lowered your unit. You shrunk your unit. Did you shrink your unit? No, I didn't shrink the, I, well, you said you were going to. But some other bets I've been shrinking units, not on the Crosby multi-point. That was a full unit. Just, uh, that's good. Yeah.

Happy for you. Thanks, buddy. Anyway, we'll talk more about Kings and that, um, coming up in a little bit. a little bit. It'll be the second half of back to back here. Yeah. Just kind of a foreshadowing kind of a teaser. Very good in terms of goals against.

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You know, just kind of keeping it real, checking out what's going on or more importantly what's not going on with certain teams around the NHL. So that's kind of where we're out at the mid-season point. Is it as, because we're Toronto, Brad Treliving, he's circling around Vancouver. He's checking in on the two centers. Is it as, is it as hot with Vancouver as we're being led to believe? Or if you call, we're not doing much. Is that, ooh, Trillivings all over.

Do you know what I mean? I'm just wondering, to what extent are these conversations happening with Vancouver right now? Well, with Toronto and Vancouver? Or just in general, I guess. Well, I mean, I think we can pretty much snuff out. if there's a Toronto rumor and I haven't seen it. I mean, Toronto can't shop in that level of high rent, not if you're talking about Patterson or J.T. Miller.

And again, remind everybody that J.T. Miller has a full known move clause. So he's not going anywhere unless he wants to go there. And the Canucks have yet to present him with anything. So, you know, I always kind of roll my eyes a little bit when we in other markets around Canada look at Toronto, look at Vancouver and go, oh, yeah, that's just the market. I mean, they stir crap up there. That's what they do.

It's, you know, it's kind of old habit for them. Well, no. I mean, if you drill down on what's gone on in Vancouver, I mean, there's a reason to talk about Elias Patterson and J.T. Miller and everything that is, you know, kind of contributed to the drama that is a painful existence. I mean, Rick Tocket has done masterful work trying to keep the pieces of that puzzle together. It's a tricky one, though. Now you put yourself in Patrick.

Caldean's office. And, you know, you're, you've had multiple trade conversations about Pedersen especially, you know, because he doesn't have the same level of trade protection. Aren't you a little bit concerned that, okay, maybe he comes off injury here. And, you know, he's had time to, to really drill down and focus on what he has to do to be a better hockey player. And all of a sudden he starts to apply it. But you're not convinced. Or worse, you trade him, you get a decent package back. But then all of a sudden, he goes, okay, well, you know what? There's a moral check here.

I got to look in the mirror. This is about me. It's not about everybody around me. And he tunes himself up and again, becomes a more well-rounded and better hockey player. And then in hindsight, you're looking back and going, geez, we didn't do very well there. I'm always reminded of the old adage. When you move the best player in the trade, there's no weight. you're going to win that trade, right?

And that's true. But in Vancouver's case, yeah, you can have the best player on the deal in Elias Patterson, but if he's not what you need to get you over the hump to make you a contending team, then why are you hoarding an asset that maybe can bring in two or three other pieces that make you better? And I'm sure that that's kind of the mental warfare

that's happening inside the management offices in Vancouver as well. That could almost be like Dubois, Winnipeg. to LA, right? You're conceivably giving up the best player, but it's not what you need, and you've got multiple pieces, and they've been better off for it. Yeah, it's interesting to watch.

I still, because of the no trades, I just think that it all becomes so very difficult. You've got to find, like you say, you've got to find teams that this is a fit, and you like to return, and they can make the money work, and then you've got to go to the player

and say, we've gone over all these hurdles. Right. How do you feel about going to City X? It just almost seems nearly impossible. And look, we did a regional game last night, Toronto and Carolina. And our good pal, Chris Johnson, earlier this week on insider trade and connected the possibility of Carolina and Vancouver with Patterson in mind. And this isn't necessarily new. I mean, I believe it was last year where Carolina, there were conversations about Patterson and the Carolina hurricanes.

and it swirled around Marty Natchez. Like for whatever reason last year, Natchez wasn't happy with his ice time. You know, his dad, I think, spoke out. Like there was all sorts of stuff that went on around that group. And yeah, I mean, what C.J. reported is 100% factual. Carolina is among the teams that has explored and probably has gone pretty deep in the conversation with Vancouver on Pedersen.

So I'm watching this game last night. I'm then, all right. well, is it conversation, or have they actually talked about some of the pieces that could be in play? And instantly, you're looking, you have to be looking at Natchez as part of that package, I would think, if you're Vancouver. And then what is the plus or the plus plus,

if that's even required at that point? Because keep in mind who the owner of the Carolina Hurricanes is, Tom Dunden. I mean, he throws dollars around like manhole covers. You know, I mean, this guy is, frugal. Even with, you know, his head coach, he found a way to grind him almost into submission. So that's what we're doing now, again, at the midpoint. Yeah, everybody's got their trade bait boards out there, right? Player X is, you know, okay, number one is Pedersen, number two is JT. Miller, and then who's three, four, and 30 on those lists? We all have them. But now you're getting a little point where you see teams like Boston and other clubs who are,

are swirling in that world of desperation. You're like, okay, well, it's more than tire kicking now, isn't it? It's more about maybe I do try and get that player or make my move early. You've got four nations coming up. You've got a lot of stuff in the way before March 7. So I think that's why some of the speculation is heating up. When we talk about the trade deadline and just teams that are going to be moving pieces, it generally defaults to teams that are near the bottom.

you're last, your second to last, that sort of thing. But this year I look at teams that are kind of in the hunt that have been perennial sellers that I wonder if they look at this year, it's like, we're turning the corner. Whether we have, whether fans think we have, you've got Columbus today in a wild card spot. All of what is three points back. Montreal's had that great push. And I know Kent Hughes came out and kind of maybe poured some water on that. Right. In the West Utah, new owner, new situation, they're five points back.

I just wonder if maybe you're looking at Columbus and Ottawa, these teams as being potential buyers that could make some noise in unusual fashion. Yeah, or somewhere in the middle, right? Looking for that quote unquote hockey trade if you're Columbus, you know, because can you afford to buy and what are you using as your currency if you're buying? You know, if you're trading way Proverov, you better be getting something decent back. And I know there's an ongoing negotiation there. So, I mean, there's an equal chance they find a way to extend him.

Teresov, the goaltender. I see that he's on loan now to the American League. That one is curious to me. That one's curious because he's an interesting goalie. So, again, there's a chip that maybe Donnie Waddell decides to play in the not too distant future. But there are teams, boomer, to your point, that we're looking at. And not necessarily teams that are, you know, right at that cut line or in the playoff mix. You know, I'm thinking of Seattle.

I mean, there's a team that's swirling right now. You know, what is Ronnie Francis going to do? Because I like Ronnie Francis as a general manager, but I also know the expectation of ownership in Seattle and where they thought they'd be by now. And if they don't get there and they're in danger, or it's pretty evident by March 7th, they're out of the playoff mix,

all right, well, do they cut bait again and start moving out some intriguing pieces beyond I'm Yanni Gordon, guys like that. So there's a lot of teams that are encroaching on that possibility of buying. Oh, sure, buy, but what are you selling? What are you giving up to acquire that piece that might make you better? How's that seven-year deal for Chandler Stevenson working out? He's got one of the worst rates at five-on-five in the league.

This is year one. That made no sense to me on July 1. That reeks of desperate GM, and that speaks to what you're talking about, Drake's. It does, but I, see, I'm, I'm surprised that Stevenson hasn't worked out better, to be fair. Last year, the foot speed disappeared. Like, he's been such a useful player in so many scenarios, right? And it just has not worked well there. It really has not.

And I tell you what, like going into the free agency's, and I was, I convinced myself, it wasn't from, you know, an abundance of insider information. I just thought Chandler Stevenson was going to end up in Nashville. I did. I can envision how that was going to play out, right? It's just another exhibit of how players have a real good fit with an organization. And then, hey, I get it. There's a business side to this.

If you're not getting the money that you're hoping to get, expecting to get weren't even offered from the Vegas Golden Knights, well, what choice do you up? Of course you're going to try and take a swing for it financially. And you get moved and it just doesn't work up. But he's up there, even though you're right. I mean, maybe the foot speed isn't what it once was. You could say that about a few players of that vintage.

I'm just really surprised at all things have gone so poorly for him this year. Turns 31. Yeah. But that's the player's scenario, right? Yeah. Of course the player is going to do that and try to get paid and he's got to think about that. it's more curious to me. I always go back to it.

NFL football astounds me. They draft these quarterbacks. And the first round, and they've spent more money than they, and they don't turn out. And you're like, how can the NFL with all the resources they have F this up?

And I don't know if they're effing it up or if it's the players, but there is an analysis or something. Like they're evaluating these guys. They believe them to be the, they're going to be the next Steve Young. right all of them and and nobody turns out how is it like jams july 1st continue all over and over there's always these and i guess maybe it's just odds but there are always signings where you go

that doesn't make sense like yeah that's that's that's that's left field where do they come from some of its ego driven to be fair okay uh and and and what i mean by that is And you do see it often in free agency where a general manager will look at a player. Maybe he has history with that player, whatever level of hockey. You know, as a assistant general manager with another club, maybe in major junior hockey, wherever, where they're like, I know this guy. I know how to push his buttons. I've got the right coach who's going to find a way to drag it out of him again.

So and then on top of that, and the Canadian markets feel this above above the other teams around the National Hockey League. You know, let's use Chris Tannaf as an example. Chris Tanov did not deserve the term at his age that he got from the Toronto Maple Leafs. No chance. No chance.

It's a Romano Island player. Yeah, and the Dallas stars would have absolutely loved to have kept Chris Tannoff. And they've suffered in Dallas because they don't have that type of defensemen. And he's an all-round good character guy. But I think Brad Trilving's approach was, well, I'm not going to miss on the player. I need that defenseman. And I know him.

I know the quality of the player. So what do I care about the term? I'll figure it out down the path. I mean, what do I care about term as an exaggeration? But I think that that plays a hand into a lot of the deals that get made, especially with some of the veteran players that we see signs. surprisingly signed to some of the money and some of the term on an annual basis. Is there some of that that's maybe wise?

Because we kind of had to talk, we were talking about the other day about where the flames are at and what kind of player, what age and the structure of contract and term and that sort of thing. And I feel like a lot of times if you wait for everything just to fall into place, well, we've got everybody in the right age group and our contracts make sense. Yeah. But I just sometimes maybe you have to. but you have to step outside this this is the player we need right now I don't know what the world's going to be hockey wise or anything in three years from now shit I'll worry about it three years from now maybe we buy them out maybe we don't but I'll worry about it then right now we have it what I believe is a chance we're going to go for it I just wonder sometimes if if teams maybe are paralyzed a little

bit by the it's five years I was going to go four or three you know what I mean? a living a good example of that because you can bring him back to here he signs cadre because he thinks that's the piece he knows that's probably too long too but he's like eff that i got to get a guy and you're in win now mode and tritz her hammock when you thought he was a piece away at the there's a lot of where one guy away moves and they never were close to being one guy away and all those deals you regret it yeah now i hear you times i yeah sometimes i wonder if if if gms just do that you kind of all right grab grab a hold give him a twist let's let's let's give it a shot And I'm sure that it's paid off.

I'm trying to think of guys off the top of my head, but it's, I, well, hey, on the short term, again, if I'm, if I'm using TANF as my example,

I think it's paid off in Toronto. You know, now, yeah, six months in. It's not your deal, right? Like,

it looks pretty good. You know, let's see what it looks like, you know, a year from now, two years some now. Maybe it's not as sparkling as, it appears to be right now.

But, you know, in many ways, it does feel like that's, the cost of doing business because, you know, the national hockey league because of the cap primarily has become a very cyclical sport. You know, I talked in our podcast, Ray and I talked about the Vegas Golden Knights and, you know, speculated on what Kelly McCriman may have up his sleeve.

You know, I always joke about him being a mad scientist, right? He's got a bit of cap space now. We can see the need up front. Is he going to swing for the fences? And I wouldn't say that he was offended by that commentary, but in fairness to his, him, you know, that's just a flip comment and expectation from a management group in Vegas that has done a lot of work since, you know, dropping into National Hockey as an expansion team. But, you know, I guess they've done a ton of work in the last several months in getting to a place

this season where they like where they are organizationally. And honestly, aside from, yeah, having a need, I'm sure they'd like to add a veteran piece up front, But beyond that, they're set. They're pretty deep there. So it's less about, you know, Kelly McCriman having to be super creative and aggressive and all of that. And certainly not sitting back, but maybe looking at the league now and patiently waiting for the right possibility. I'm sure he's got a whiteboard that has 20 names on it that he'd like to investigate and probably has put the lines in the water. but it's not through the same place of necessity because,

and it's still early. We're at the midpoint. I was going to say because for the most part, Vegas is healthy and we know that that could change pretty quickly in regard to the Golden Knights. But general managers do approach things differently for different reasons, depending on what their situation is currently. Well, just the thought on Vegas, Ryan, just if I'm an owner,

I'm fine having Kelly McCrimand as my GM. I would rather have a guy that's swinging, for it and wants to win because I think it helps if you're going to take major chances. Yeah. If your hockey staff, if your hockey people are smart and know what the hell they're doing, if you're going to be able to find some pieces along the way to supplement positions where maybe you've traded away or whatever, it's, I'd be worried if we're spending a lot of picks and we don't know what the hell we're doing at the draft on the draft floor or come

trade deadline. I just think you're, you have the luxury maybe of being a little bit more aggressive when you when you do know what the hell you're doing but you they're also benefiting from where they are in the world right like you have to know your market Kevin Shevoldeuf cannot treat I don't think he can do it

that way and maybe all of Canada can't do it right like do you know what I mean like I think there's every situation is got to be different and in but Crimmie can do it in Vegas because guys don't go there and play it they've had success it might blow off up eventually and I appreciate what he's doing.

I think it's great. But he also knows, I just want to come here. I want to stay here. If I do go get him, I can keep them. I could probably get them at a good price. If I have to dump them, I'll find a way. That's a great comparison. It really is.

And, you know, you could put Winnipeg in that group with Vegas, with the Florida teams, with Dallas, with Nashville, all of the tax friendlier locales. Yeah, we know this to be true. You know, anytime there's a free agent that Kevin Chubbleday off, covets would like to bring in automatically Winnipeg's down on the list, even though they're a top contending team. You get around the trade deadline,

and there are players without trade protection in recent history that have found a way to say, I don't want to go to Winnipeg. What do you mean you don't want to go to Winnipeg? Like, you don't want to win. you don't want to live there. Okay, well, have a vacation spot somewhere else. You'll be fine.

But you're right. Vegas doesn't have to deal with that. And some of these other tax-friendly centers don't deal with it on. There was a signing. I forget who it was. Sorry, Ryan, I jumped in there. But there was a signing, and I was wondering, who was it that signed this week?

And they took all that deferred money. Oh, the Toronto. Is that going to start to be a thing? Do you think that's a way for teams? I mean, the higher taxed, places to can they can they manipulate that and take advantage of it? I mean it comes

well they're willing to do it right teams will try teams will try and they'll probably do it more so with veteran guys but Toronto was a surprise you know similar to Seth Jarvis with the Carolina Hurricanes when he did it um you know look

John DeVirus is on an expiring contract he'd love to stay in Toronto. I would think that Trilliving will try and get that AEV as low as possible. So that's a vehicle that he might be able to use. And he might be able to use it before the expiration date of the current collective bargaining agreement

because I think the NHL is going to step in and at least have the conversation with the players association. What do we not like about this? Do we need to do something to curb it? The Vitrano one to me, and this is just me, doesn't make sense. No, it's not just me. A lot of player agents I spoke to after that deal hate it.

I think it's crazy because you're talking about 10 years down the road. And I don't know about you guys, but I'm old school in that sense. You know, I want to earn my money, but I want to get paid. And then I want to put my money in the hands of the people that I trust to invest it and help my money grow. I don't want to have to think about deferred money 10 years down the road. I mean, how do they know what the tax system, is going to look like a decade from now. So that one was weird.

It was just flat out weird. But for the older guys, there's two things that we're going to look at. And I don't want anybody's eyes to glaze over here who's paying attention to watching. So you've got the deferred salary, which you're right, is becoming more and more of a thing.

And then you've got RCA's, which is the retired compensation agreement. right and that's becoming more and more of a talking point in negotiations mostly for the older player or the player who's at least in the back nine and if he's looking at a multi-year deal he might want that to be a part of it because he recognizes that it'll ultimately be his last contract so there is some creativity i'm just not sure if that deferred salary is is the right way to go at this point imagine california closes that loophole he's got to full tax on that anyway? Like it's

governments, right? Like it's not like, oh, here's the rules now. That's what they're going to be in 10 years. Like these municipalities and states and provinces are going to try to close these loopholes that are there like the Otani one. And when you smash 700 million U.S. in front of California's face and you say, oh, you're not going to get tax

on this. I'm going to pay this when I live somewhere else. They're going to put legislation to place to try to stop it. It would be an absolute disaster if you didn't get paid for 10 years, you still pay all the tax. And it was like, you've lost a lot of money and a decade of accruing values. Yeah, man. I mean, you're sounding like a lot of the agents that I've talked to who don't

understand it and don't appreciate it. They just, you know, but look, I mean, that's why you have good representation. And the guy who manages Peter Fish is an experienced agent. I mean, I guess if you want to give credit from a position of being devil's advocate, give credit to Solomon or whoever did it from Anaheim's perspective. wasn't Pat Perbique, but someone in that group. Because, and I love this when it came out, you know, oh, hey, Anna, we're not that far away from being a cap spending team.

So now we have to protect every nickel. I mean, unless Pat Fabique goes out in free agency and just starts knocking them out of the ballpark and brings in a bunch of big contracts, you know, they seem to be a ways away from needing or wanting or expecting to be a cab team. So I just don't know why Frankie Vitrono was the guy to experiment on this at this point. Okay. So one conversation we've had a bunch in the last two weeks. And we've come back from vacation.

We're thinking big picture. They're supposed to play Tuesday. They didn't. Like 10,000 foot view. Rasmus Anderson has two years left with the Calgary Flames on his contract. He makes $4.55 million. When he becomes a free agent, we're hearing the cap might be around $110 million. He might be worth double what he's making now in that new cap era in terms of

a percentage of the cap. He's also 28 now. He'll turn 30 the first month of his new deal. He feels like a max term guy. If it's Calgary, it'll be eight years. If it's elsewhere, it's seven. If Chandler-Stevenson is getting seven, he's going to get seven. How the flames treat Rasmus Anderson to us will be very revealing. Because is it we're not really going to strip it down to the studs and we'll just try to be, you know, here and there, get value where we can on expiring contracts? Or is it like, hey, we're going to trade Rasmus now, get max return. turn, bottom out a bit, and get into that range in the draft where you can find a superstar. How do you sort of view that whole decision with the flames?

Because we think it's going to be telling. Well, I'm 100% with you, and you've laid it out beautifully, and I think it's too soon to say. It's too soon to say. If I was forced to answer, and I think if Craig Conroy was forced to answer, he would say that, no, no, no, we're still in and to win. We still believe that we've got the guts, the nucleus of a group that can win. So in the moment, they would probably lean towards extending. But let's see where we're at as you get closer again to March 7th and the NHL trade deadline.

It feels to me that they're a ways away from having to make that conversation. And I would think that internally, and by internally, I'm talking about the extended group, not just the few management types that exist with the Calgary Flames. Let's throw Iggy into the mix and everybody else. I would love to be a fly in the wall for those conversations because I know what they were like going into this season and there was great debate as the direction the flame should be headed in. Well, maybe it'll be more telling again as we get deeper into the second half

and closer to March 7th. But I'd like to be the fly on the wall to listen to those conversations and the debate as to what direction they should go in. And Rasmus Anderson, to your point, I think will be a chip that is played. And when they make that decision, yes, very telling as to what direction there at it. You asked you asked Drake's to put on his GM hat.

He's wearing it. Yeah, he's got, you can put on your GM hat. Yeah. And I did pretty good because I didn't really answer the question. Oh, you sure didn't? That was pretty good. Yeah. It was pretty good.

Yeah. It's good though. I like it. No, I, as you can imagine, we talk about it a lot. I just, I rolled the clock back a year and it was,

what are you going to get for Lindholm and Hanif and Tanev? I was like, well, you get a fur, to Foley. You're going to get. And I mean, they get. They got a first here and there and that sort of thing. But it kind of felt like either we overvalued the player or, you know, we're not in those conversations, but it sure feels like Raspus Anderson,

given the player, the Aves, the ability, the shot, and the cap hit, it feels like there's a bonanza waiting at the end of the rainbow here. Well, and a little bit of term, right? If the consideration is moving them this year, that might be a big one. I, you know, if I were Connie and I, and again, I was being encouraged in, encouraged or influenced by the bigger group. And I believe that, okay, it is time for a reset. I'd, I'd keep my powder dry and tell it around the draft and do it in, in the offseason.

Would you not get more selling two deadlines or sorry, two playoff runs to a team at the deadline? Maybe. Yeah, I mean, that's possible. You have to have those conversations, though, right? You have to have those conversations. I just think it would be more. Like, if you're the least, you get to use this guy this year and the next year or the. Yeah.

But, but, like, you only sold two months of Elias Lindholm. You got five assets. One of them is a first. Like, yeah. And as you've sold another year of that player, I had a, okay. So, contracts. But what do you want in return? Like, yeah, that's for, I mean, like a first plus plus.

But other people would say take a young player back. Well, I know what you're asking for. You're, you're asking for Fraser Minton, Easton, something like that. And a first. And a first, probably. And maybe you got to eat, Nicky, Robertson as part of it, right? I mean, that's the type of conversation that Brad Trouving, absolutely.

We can all envision him having with Ronnie, but guess what? And I don't look at every owner has incredible say, even in hockey operations, even though most GMs say, no, no, no, my owner gives me autonomy. I have free will. I can do what I want. No, everybody's got a boss. I'm not so sure that Murray Edwards wants to help Brad Trouling or the Toronto Maple is that.

To tune in every Saturday night as Rasmus Anderson and the Maple night. That might be a tough one unless they're overpay. And to be fair, that blue lines lot better than it was. I feel like there's, there's. Yeah, it is. Or just in general. As far as an Anderson deal, would, if you feel you get two, two runs. Yeah.

I like it. But I'll tell you, if you've watched the Leafs, and we did that game last night, it's a better blue line because Tanniff is in it. And all of them, Ekman Larson, he's come back down to Earth in the last couple of weeks. He's taken it. He was sideways last night against Carolina, probably his worst game in the year. And, you know, I'll give him full credit because he's been a real nice ad for the Maple Leafs. And there's something not right about Morgan Riley as well.

he just hasn't been on top of it. So even though you're right, the blue line is better, man, there wouldn't be too many GMs in the National Hockey League. Even Brad Trilving in this case, who aren't looking for some Ford, some idea of an upgrade. However that looks and however you make it work. Do we got to let Draggs go?

No, it's up to Draggs. What's up? I'm good, man. How much does the competitiveness of the owner play into every franchise or does it. Yeah, it does. So we had that brief conversation of Vegas and Boomer, you said, look, if I were the owner,

I'd love a general manager like Kellan McCremant. And you're bang on, but that cuts both ways. If you're McCremant, and by extension, you've got the experience of George McPhee and an owner that says, fellas, all I want to do is win. You do whatever you want. You know, just, just,

find a way to keep keep us contending every year. That's your job. My job is to make sure you have the resources to do it. He, to me, is a dream owner because, yeah, I'm sure he's got hockey related questions. And, you know, he's an educated hockey man. But there are many owners around the National Hockey League that are deeply, actively involved. Guys, Tom, none, no, no, I'm not being critical. The agents tell me all the time, even when Donnie,

Waddell was there. Often they wouldn't be negotiating with Waddell as general manager. They'd be on the phone with Tom Dunden talking about well, you know, we need the extra year for this reason. And Dundon was sharp, is sharp. You know, so you have varying extremes, but they're all involved to some degree. Absolutely.

Yeah. All right, buddy. We'll let you get out of here. Have a fine weekend. Are you, uh, it's wildcard weekend, NFL? Is this going to be a couch weekend? You got work going on? What's happening? Yeah, it'll be a couch week, a little bit of work. I mean, we're in that season already, right? Like, where you can envision, I mean, Boston's lost six in a row. What the hell is going to happen there? So many pieces that could be in play. So it is, it is an on-call type of scenario. And boys, I'm trying to carve off some LBs. And January's the worst.

We all are, dregs. It's all right. Yeah. So I hate the cliche of dry January. I do. So I'm not embracing that. It's about, okay, I'm not going to drink simply because I need to correct my diet. And you like meat, just all meat drinks. All meat? Oh, yes, carnivore diet. Awesome. You'll feel great.

Two weeks. Do it for two weeks. Like no veg, no carbs, nothing, just straight meat. No sugar. Consult your physician before taking Reth's medical advice. It's so good. I did it for a January a few years ago. It felt great.

Good for you. I'm in the midst of a lever flush right now. Sounds fun. I mean, it's just great. I mean, I was looking for a replacement. What you did you? Flush.

That's the next step. Start with the flush and see how it goes. Yeah. Appreciate you drags. Have a good weekend. All right, boys. You too. Thank you.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't know when, but it's coming. Not ideal. Not ideal. I was going to ask him about, I'll try and remember it for next week, our cadre conversation while he has his GM have. Quadry canundrum.

Yeah. Is he, obviously he's a very good player would help a team. But with the term and the dollars. Who's doing who the family? Who's doing who, like who's coming out ahead there? I don't know. Yeah. And it was funny.

threw up that mock trade earlier in the week and the guy that built it was like we're treating cadre as a net neutral like it's just it's no one's winning well i had uh eric francis article today conroy said that codry was their only pure goal score at this point sure i mean i think coronado will be there if you're not having there yet but i'm sharing govett should have something to say about that hey i'm just repeating because i do all this homework i make my rounds Were you taking a poo? Is that what happened? You were on your phone?

I don't know what it was actually. Yeah. I'm going to go with poo. Right now? No, I'm going to say it was probably that. Did you see Rhett during that chat with Dregs? I had a coughing fit. There was that.

You did, yeah. All fired up talking about a defenseman. And then I got out of making his rounds or what, but there's other moments. I don't know. I was worried about them. What do you mean? Did I show off my legs?

No. Could you though? I'd really appreciate it. And if you can watch the angle, I'm worried there right there. I'm worried about the inner part of the thigh and the inner short of the seam there. Using that, whatever, that thigh master, I'm doing good. Yeah, yeah. Is anyone else in dry January?

Are they trying to shed some LBs? It's a useless event. Is it? okay, I'm not going to drink when I'm going to eat. Yeah. It's going to be miserable and then get cheap days and drink way too much. So I'm not going to eat. So I'm not going to go out with my buddies.

So I'm going to sit on the couch and watch football and eat what? Oh, I know. That's the thing. Because I'm thinking about football and that. I'm not necessarily going to drink. But boy, what am I ordering in? What is it going to be? Well, you know what?

Now, for what we were talking about in the, in the Dregor conversation, you did have a coughing fit. But there was also some concern if maybe there was some carbon monoxide. Or if maybe you'd had some turkey and gravy. This was how in your conversation, how good it was. Right. Hey, a little recharge the battery, right? That's good. You were really energized the second half.

That's beautiful. So you close your eyes and your deal pick a dip. That's my dry January. That was sent to someone else in my house and said, get the shit so I can make me. Can you send that along as well? That'd be great. You have my number.

If you could put that in the group chat, I'd appreciate that. On route. We will do some football picks a little bit later on. The Rasp's thing, I think, like, we all, like there's lots of different ways it could go, but it's really the first look at how the front of,

it's also been beaten to death by you. So, yeah, I know. And it's, it's, it's, they're not going to do anything until they get to deadline is like, are we competitive or are we way out? Like there's nothing that's going to happen in the next three months. I get it. But that will be the indication of how are they going to go about it? Are they taking young players? Are they resigning them?

Are they pushing it for next year? Driggs makes a good point though. They don't have to do it this year. And even though you want them to and think that it's more value, it doesn't, right? Like if they trade him next trade deadline, does that mean that they, like, we're not going to know what this deadline. I'm sorry, if they don't trade Anderson at this deadline, you believe, I kind of do too, that it's a bit of an indicator, but it isn't a total indicator.

No, I agree. It's just one option. Yeah. And to Dreg's point, the draft players like that tend to get a haul. Those are the two windows now. We see the big deals. It's deadline and then the week leading into the draft.

And maybe that's where you go get some more assets in the draft. I don't know. You know more about the draft class after all those amateur meetings. Maybe you load up on next year because you like that crop better with draft picks. I don't. know. Yeah. Bobby, our buddy, Robert Munich with Flames Nation and Flamesnation.ca, send all the thing,

hey, we're doing the midway poll. We've got just some quick questions that they're going to put on the site. And it's, do you think the flames are going to make the playoffs? Are they going to just miss or will they finish bottom 10? And it's, well, I don't, I don't think they're going to make it. It's tough to admission that with the teams above them, right? but it might be close. And then you look at the bottom 10,

and they've got some fallen to do. Points wise, it's not crazy to think. Five points out of the top 10 pick. Like I looked this morning, just National Hockey League points percentage, the flames are 15th. It's middle of the pack. And I know that's not how you determine playoff teams,

but are they going to tail off in such a fashion? Are the next 40, whatever it is, three, because they missed one, the next half of the season, going to be drastically different. And I don't know if a Rasmus trade happens, maybe that affects it if there's true injuries or stuff. But I don't know.

I still feel like it's going to be not quite there, but not quite low enough. Yeah, there are one point from the playoffs and five from being in the top 10 pick. I don't know that window has been that small this time a year before. Like it's usually quite a bit of a gap. And that's why I think.

No, it's not. You're making shit up. I'll go to last your standings. Like we don't have to guess. You can just go look at it. Like I feel like there's usually a bigger gap from the bottom. Okay. So you're saying if it's two points, that's a bigger gap because that's technically bigger.

But that's why it's talked about the whole frickin league has talked about it. There's the shitty teams and there's the real good teams. And then there's teams that if they go on a run one way or the other, it decides their fate. You win five, five is hard to win. Win three in a row. Everything changes in those standings. So last year on January 10th, 16th in the league had 44 points. 16th instead of 50.

Yeah, it's about the same. Yeah. So it's interesting. Like there's how many teams can do right off right now? It looks at 84 points is the projected cutoff at the east right now. That's insanely low. We're used to 95. So all these teams that would be like, ah, we're out of it.

They're like, geez, like real 500 is getting us close to a playoff spot in the east right now. That's different. That is totally weird this year. It's not quite the same in the West at all. And like, who can you really count out? It's probably just like San Jose, Chicago, Nashville. But you know what, though? But to that same point, you can, you can kind of flip it.

So the bottom 10 today, points percentage, Chicago, San Jose, Nashville, Seattle, Philly, the Islanders, the Ducks, the Rangers, and the wings. Conceivable, the Rangers are maybe going to turn it around. Should, yeah. But then you've got between that 10 and the flames, Boston, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Utah, Montreal, Ottawa, and Columbus, are all of those teams going to leapfrog you?

In essence, for you to fall into that bottom 10? 500 is 10th from the bottom right now, and the flames are currently five games over. And yeah, I don't know. How long is Conner's area out? Do you trade Dan Vlodar? Do you

does someone blow your socks over the rest? If you trade Dan Vlodar, it's not affecting you. I don't think it has any impact. Well, it just means you got Logan Cooley starts. Which might be better. You might, yeah. No, you don't know. You don't know. I'm just saying, like, until we know what's up with Zaria, who knows what it's capable?

Like, they got a lot of road games and is Zaria out two weeks or is he done for the year? That's a big component. I mean, he's a very good player, but it's not like he's leading them in scoring or has been a key part of their offense or the power play or any of that. That's a part. It just feels like they're kind of what they are. It's a team thing. They are and you can spin it either way. Ms. Miko, Scherko.

Sure. Get going. score a few more goals fellas score a few more goals they're a five game winning street from looking like a playoff team and a five game losing streak between for sure their bottom 10 the issue i have hilarious it's not an issue but it goes back to what you say about leapfrog who the hell are they bumping out of a playoff spot Vancouver's the only team i think you're not going to beat out edmund edmonton is not missing the playoffs like Dallas is not missing Winnipeg is not Minnesota's not.

Do you see Colorado? I would think the Kings, but it feels like the Kings are just continue to make the playoffs and we underestimate them all. And they're ahead of Edmonton. Look at the games in hand. They're two back with three games in hand. Yeah, exactly. So I think the Kings, but only because I'm not giving the Kings enough respect,

they've got lots of points and they're playing very well. Who are you catching? Vancouver because they're the closest. And they seem to have the most turmoil. But do they really, feel like a team that's no they played most of the season without demco and without ironic and both those guys are close if not back like i i see vancouver is you know the off ice drama is real but the roster itself is better than it's been all year they played what

three months without demco yeah and one move that that that that off ice drama should be changed right in theory yeah i just don't see that's part of the problem the flames are having you've played great you have the potential for guys to control more goals, which probably means more points in the standings. But I still, you're not, Colorado's not missing the playoffs. Sorry. St. Louis has added this year.

They're behind you. I'm not even the eight teams that are in right now. Somebody's come. Who's coming out? Nobody. My point is that I'd look for St. Louis or Utah to be a team that could bump someone out, not the flames. Personally.

If anyone. But no, it looks like those are the eight. teams. Like if you went through the West and said, who are the best teams out here, those are the eight you'd come up with. Yeah. They just are. Unless Nashville somehow puts their shit together. But even then they got to go on and like, they got to play like a 120 point pace to get in. I don't know. Yeah, unless something St. Louis-esque or or Nashville, I guess, from last year. And it can happen. It does happen. But it's a lot to hang your hat on. Just in terms of the Kings, just kind of doing a quick, I mean, we're getting ready for the game. The other

day. They've allowed the fewest in the entire league, the fewest goals against and they're tied with Dallas for the best like 2.5 goals against. They've given up 96 goals, which is not by far away, but it is, it's the best. I would not have guessed a Kemper, and we talked about the other day, Riddick has been okay, but Kemper has had a bounce back year. He's been very good for them. I didn't expect that that was, we were talking about them as being a tight defensive squad, but they've been hard to score. He'll be coming back. Yeah.

I think they're only going to get better. And that feels like a good recipe to stick right about where you are, where you're not relying on needing to score more or having to get. No, we're a good defensive team. We get good net minding. It's kind of how you maintain your spot. Yeah. And I don't, if you wanted to get in the bottom 10,

I think that decision's made at the deadline. I think you absolutely let this group operate. There's too much good happening in terms of the result. you're getting versus what you are on paper. Connie's going to have a tough decision, but it ain't until March. That's when you have to make your mind up about, okay, am I actually going to hand the 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th,

or 15th pick overall to Montreal? Because you can do things to change that. You absolutely can't. The option, sorry, I know you keep harping on that, and I'm dumb. So it's got to give up a pick eventually. So it's this year or next year? No, it's either Florida who's going to pick

28, 29, 30, 31, 32. or it's your own pick this year. And there's a huge difference between what you can get in the low teens versus what you could have a ninth. Yeah, yeah, gotcha, gotcha, got, got, and that's the expected, you know, the value of that pick is so much less

than what the flames is. I mean, asset management wise, you've got to finish bottom 10. If you're a playoff, but they're not playing. Well, I can if he sells everything, but I think it sends quite a message to. Or it's like, hey, we really want to see,

Devin Cooley a lot. Or Boomer. Yeah, Boomer, you got, I don't know if you got to stand. I worry about Cooley. I think he actually, it's like, Jesus, guy, throw, shoot. You got to Cron. We really want to get someone in net. We want to build out our goaltending depth. Let's get these guys in there.

This is not an eBug situation. No. It's real. Dusty. You're coming in. We love you. See, he opted up already. He could have got Georgie 5. we showed the stat yesterday, Dean. Georgie 5's played like 28 games or something this year. After the first period, they've led in one.

That's of Colorado, the bulk of a year. Wow. Trailed like 24 times and a couple times they've been tied after. You want to play from behind? Go get this guy. Oh, boy. Well, maybe that's what they want to do. Good old Georgie 5.

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Ryan Pinda. Rion, Pinda. Well, boys, we start with Frank Bonn the start of the day. Yes, Conor Zeri, well, we don't know a lot about the timeline yet, but we do know that as we heard from our part-time doctor on Tuesday night, did not suffer any damage to the ACL or MCL. That doesn't mean there's not other damage elsewhere, but if one of those ligaments gets torn, that's a no way, you know,

and we'll see you in camp next year. So maybe just maybe a shorter timeline, but nothing firm. Pike seems to think tomorrow we'll get something in the form of a timeline. Is that because it didn't bend sideways? There's this thing called sheer where you're day. We told you this Tuesday night on afternoon. Go play the tape.

It's all there on the YouTube. It's all there for it. And you talked to Pike yesterday, this morning, right? When did you talk to Pike? So you would have known that? Known what? About the timeline of when it's going to.

Oh, I knew about the timeline. He didn't, we didn't talk about the, Dorisuflection. Yeah. That's right. Dorsiflection. Yeah. Okay.

Roy Cairns gets recalled. Exciting. We'll see what he's done. Leading the A in scoring. That's exciting. West Standings look like this. We just showed him. We're doing everything twice again.

Everything we've done, we've already done. There they are. One point back in Vancouver, which seems insane. But they've played their asses off. They've got Vancouver, excuse me, L.A. on Saturday. Second half of the back-to-back is boomer-noted. They're in Winnipeg tonight. two good teams at keeping the puck out of the net.

They are in the top three, both the Jets and the Kings at goals allowed. Maybe the under, under. I think that's a real benefit for those flames. They're under, under. Definitely doesn't hurt,

having them play in Winnipeg the night before. Wonder which goal you'll get. Maybe it's, uh, old friend, Dave Frittich. Hey? Oh, friend?

Schedule. It's, uh, a lot on the road. After the Saturday game. at home. Well, there's four in a row. They'll follow those four in a row with a one game homestand before going out for two more. So brutal.

Six of the next seven on the road, which has not been kind of them, although they did just win that last road game in overtime in Anaheim. Okay. And there's the blues who are behind the- Could be a goosh. Sorry to jump. Could be a goosh.

Chicago will be the determining factor, Dean. If you want to spin the positive, it's, hey, it's the king's on the second half of a back-to-back. You probably split with the blues. You should be Chicago. There, look that. Three and a four. Boom.

Can you expand on that, Rhett? The Chicago will be the term. Well, that's one of those look past type of scenarios, right? Like you're not focused on Chicago,

but if they show up and perform. The last time we saw Calgary Chicago, the hawks, perhaps looking past the flames, because that was ugly. Well, they're not good, Ryan. See, that's the point.

I don't know if you want to get into this. Our buddy and Winnipeg sports talk had Dave Pignota on to talk. He's sort of spending some Rasmus and her stuff, but it's all very hypothetical. We've done a lot of Rasmus. It's not. Well, you know if the clip's any good. We'll move. Crosby. Big night last night. Sorry, I just Dave's batting average has to get a little higher before we start playing

his clips. All right. There. Yeah. What, Dave? You did kind of, you didn't roar in with us. You kind of limped in. I got a thing here. We just talk to drags. Outta boy. All right. Sid, how are you?

You just passed Joe Sikik. He's a good player. Good player. And he'll be catching his old landlord. Isn't that cute? His old roommate Mario Lemuel next on the list. Jesus good. Three points last night.

That's the jackometer. They're still super mid, but I love Crosby. He's like 47. points now, I think. I bless Jack. So good. Super mid. Super mid.

Like 17, 17 and 8 or something. 18, 17 and 8. Very good. Yeah. With a minus 26 goal differential. That's heavy. That's impressive. Yeah.

That's very mid. Good. Not just Crosby with a milestone night last night, but too small and too slow Braden points recording his 600th point as the lightning holloped the bad Boston Bruins. Not the big bad Bruins, the bad Boston Bruins. I saw this. It's like this guy. And I feel like maybe you're not at 600

because this is a high, there's a lot of offense, a lot of offensive guys there. But this is a guy that's going to be a very good player on every team in the league. Is he 36? He ain't 36. He's a free agent soon. Come on home. You and McCah. Come on home.

Calgary, Alberta, you say. Hey, how about that? 600 points in 615 NHL games. Wow. 289 goals. He good. Very good. You could do it, Dean.

You've got that low center of gravity. You and Cooch? Yeah. Oh, baby. Let's get to the- trouble is when I get down on one knee for the one-timer, it takes me a long time to get back up. Well, it's in the net, though.

Who cares? Snap and sticks. I try to get back up. to the Eastern Conference midoff, that is the playoff chase. It's our boy, J. Fresh. Halfway through the year, final wild card on track to be 84 points.

Can you give me a Goosh Dean? I'm going to need a goosh. If you can trust his math. Goosh. If there's one thing I trust about him, it is math. 84. Last year, it was 91 in the east, and that was Washington. 91 is low.

Last year in the West, 98. Hey, Vegas. 84. Ridley Gregg signing a new contract with the Ottawa senators this morning. Congrats, Rids. Got some contract terms here. Four years, three in a court. That's got a very high probability of being a great deal for the senators, but it also does bring him to UFA status pretty quickly, I imagine,

or at least into one final year of R. Not sure of the age. He's a young guy. Young fellow. Yeah. It's for him. Go get it, Sense. Stop being mid.

Speaking of the Sands, a bit of a tailspin here, a big road trip, lost all marked injury. They were in a playoff spot when, like, what? They were climbing.

We left to Christmas. It's been just brutal since. But here's the good news. Sense fans are handling this very rationally. Fucking shit. Not good enough. I'm sick of the shit. What is fucking?

You have, oh, you want to make the playoffs. Hey, you want to fucking make the playoffs and you play this fucking bullshit. Hey, you're gonna play that way? Oh, you're on a nine game road trip and you think you're so fucking tired and you're...

Burn the fuck up. Just about a fucking hot act. Okay? Well, you want me to fucking be a fan still? Hey, and play that way? You get a couple of goals and get five shots and then you let in fucking two goals. Hey?

I'm fucking sick of this shit. I'm gonna sit there's play like shit on the top Hey You want to fuck around with... You want to fuck around with the... D-a-dain, hey? Table time. Anyways, I mean, like, if I had a plan,

I'd probably put really Greg not on the first line, I'd probably put Brady Kachuk with some of the better players. Um, nothing against Greg, but, uh, need to score some goals here. Um, uh, anyways, I... We can still come back and win this game, but it kind of sucks not having any good goal tendon. Fuck. I'm going to have to clean this up.

He's a lunatic. Good use of the glass breaking sound effects there. It's pretty good. It's excellent. I think it sounded like a garbage can thing as well in there mixed in. It was nice. Very nice. For nothing.

They lost. They didn't come back. Yeah, but what are you going to do? Florida's good team. An old friend, Denny Gilles-Barre, I saw went shooting the old Dukes with Brady Kachuk there. Really? Yeah, that's boy. Buffalo's own rat.

Oh, they played Buffalo and lost four nothing. Yeah, Sabres, big win, four Zip. Dennis Gilbert fighting the captain. Yeah. She was trying to get back for the Buffalo game. Yeah. Ottawa, Detroit. Those two teams, they're two peas in a pod.

Buffalo on Ottawa? Yeah. Oh, they're coming along. They got lots of young talent. They're shit. Oh, but they're playing hard. They're finally, they're back.

Five game winning streak. We've got a new coach. Coach, get to make a coach. Terrible. It's the year. It's the mid-off. One of them will get in this year.

That's my take. It happens. Columbus is in a bleeping in a row and get in the playoffs. One of Buffalo or Ottawa is getting in? Yeah. That's, I,

that's, Isn't Buffalo last in the East? Did you just stutter your way through that state? It'll be Ottawa, yeah. Okay. You don't think Buffalo is last. Buffalo is seven points out. They lost 14 in a row.

They're not making the playoffs. That's how bad the East is. Come on now. Ottawa is four, three back with two games in hand. Perhaps. They're right there. They just got to turn around.

Oh, Mark, man. Can you get them back. Dude, make some good points. points. Better goal tending and put Kachuk with good players. Uh, Rhett. George LaRocke was in Philly, I think. Now, Dean, you've been to Philly. We know gorgeous George, but I think we, you guys would know Philly better than me.

Burgers never known for his feet. Is that fair? He's been tired. He committed to the pit. I mean, he's taped his, uh, that's always. George, what's happened? They committed to this bit for sure. All right, we get it. You can turn down the volume. Does he go up the stairs or? He's got it.

The stairs are there anymore. Well, the stairs are there, but the statue they put at the bottom. Oh. So you didn't have to go up to the top to see it. Rockies look quicker. I'm noticing that. You know, maybe it's the video. Yeah, it's probably one of those.

Maybe it's at one and a half. I'm left. Yeah. Looks like the statues. No statues there. When I was there was at the bottom. Maybe they said to heck, if you're going to see it, you've got to get up here. well there you go so if you're wondering what george the rock's up to red there's the answer

what's he got going in his uh is that's potato never mind Ryan back to you you're the worst absolute worst what uh tonight's slate let's have a look jack i can't believe george stole your sweatsuit either like that hey let's want at least he gave it back it's an original six snooze fest it's the hawks in the Oh, Kane versus Chicago.

What I am. And to break it, right? The cat. I like cats. Both former hawks. Habs and caps, two teams playing really well lately. Habs can't lose because they're just on fire. Canucks, let's see what they can do.

So they're returning to full health. Still on the road. Heronic with the HL team, skating. It's very weird hearing Pinder. It's very weird with you kind of having a positive reaction or an outlook for the Canucks. It's not. They missed so many games by key players. Like how many.

Yeah, but that doesn't matter. If it was the Oilers, it would be, you, they're, it's just, I'm not sure what's going on. Yeah. You'd find your way around, you know, common sense or rational thoughts. It's all. Think about it. Why do I want the Canucks to play well? So they can be.

So like, oh, I see. It's all comes back. to that. All of the opinions are driven from one thing. The Oilers not winning a cup in the McDavid era, which would be the greatest failure we'll witness in our lives. Worse than our federal government. It'll be incredible. Worse than that?

Yeah, I don't know. It's incredible. Kings and Jets, that's a good one on tap. Kings will be here tomorrow and sharks and the hockey club. Right. From Salt Lake City. Salt Lake. What was George up to? He ain't doing that just for shits of giggles, is he? I think he's getting back his shape.

No. That's not going to happen ever. Okay. Yeah, it would be for something. It wouldn't just be for, hey, let's get a camera crew and. We see and Philly and let's really map out the exact shots and angles from the original movie and. Let's find that house I come out of. It's a good.

See, that's, you're right, Warner. What do you, hey, what are you up to? What's this all about? Because I don't do nothing for free. And Georgie don't either. It's true. You know how Jack's a big Steelers fan? And we're like, oh, Jack, he's just the crazy fan.

Because some days I feel like he's a fan. In other days, I think he hates the team. That's part of the fandom. It's the irrational behavior. The more irrational you are, the bigger the fan you are, right? Okay. Apparently it's not just Jack. I might just be all Steelers Nation.

Let's go. I'll be the one realistic Steelers fan. We have no chance this weekend. Which is fine. Okay? We overachieved. We were lucky to make it to the playoffs. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I'm gonna root for my guys, but I just, I'm not gonna get my hopes up. We already beat them once this year. It's not like they're invincible. I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, but the money line opened at Pittsburgh plus 420.

What do you think of when you hear 420? Yes, smoking weed. Who likes to smoke weed? Whiz Khalifa. Where's Wiz Khalifa from? Yes, I would like to withdraw. the entire 401k. Now, was there any way I can transfer that directly to handle? This is totally jacked. Yes, babe.

I know it's my life savings, but this is a sure thing, okay? Do you not remember me telling you about the 420 omen with Wiz Khalifa and black and yellow? Last four games were just Coach T playing possum, baby, not showing anybody anything. That's why we're going to kick Baltimore's ass. Then we're going to go up the KC and get on revenge. And then we're going to run it back with the Eagles and the Super Bowl. It's a revenge tour, baby. That was so spot on.

Well done. Yeah, that's, uh, eerily accurate. And he called it on Monday. He's like, oh, they're just dead. But by Friday,

I'll have talked myself into it. And I have. Yes. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Say Flowers is out. And like he said, like the last four weeks,

the Steelers, they've been playing a little differently than they had the previous couple weeks. They're trying to run the ball. They're kind of hiding their offense. Russ is going to come out and cook. And why did they do it? it already punched their ticket to the playoffs they get to the playoffs hey nothing to prove right this

shit this is unreal we're going to go into baltimore surprise the league and we'll go to kansas i'm sorry jack amazing another week for what to get healthy yeah we're fully helping out too it's art i don't know how he does it it is magic and the stupid ravens they played their guys the last week and now zay flowers is out and so much pressure on them hey already won in baltimore And the Steelers crush Baltimore. In Baltimore. It's obvious guys. Yeah, that was very realistic.

Looking back. I feel like maybe you know that guy that did that. Was that you on the phone with him when you were talking? Like that little face app that was. We just put someone else's face on it. You hate to see when bad things happen to good people. But Deshawn Watson got hurt. Sounds like he's torn his Achilles again.

and now his 2025 is entirely in jeopardy. It sounds like seven months is the earliest of timelines and that's if everything goes great. Anyway, back to the first part, I guess. Didn't take Rogers seven months. No, it didn't. No. I don't know if the Cleveland's going to be rushing this guy back.

Now, we're good. Karma, perhaps. He's getting money, but it's, what do they got, the two pick in the draft? they pick a high yeah quarterback I mean it's played 19 games he's been there since 22 19 that's like one season for the three he's been there oh let's go to uh our old calm zen hockey fan you like pancakes right snack on this set my giant pancakes The perfect recipe for a fully balanced breakfast.

Boys, Easy Draper. I love that guy. He was at the Winter Classic. Yeah, he's got his thing. He's doing it great. No one else has that thing. I'm visiting him in the cabin in the woods somewhere in Minnesota.

I don't know. Who the hell wants that thing? To do that bit? It's kind of a big deal now, Rhett. Like, not as big as you. Yeah, I know. He's taking over. the world.

Yep. I'm sure the leash will be long, too, and sought after for many, many, many. You'll have, Hey, buddy coin. The meme coin will drop next week. He's going to make it trillions.

Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy coin. Hawk, Hawk, too, a buddy. Hey, buddy. You missed it yesterday, but I'm sure you've seen it.

There's more. This is Oly Yokinin, not doing a Mike Keenan impression, but actually coaching in Sweden. And, Rhett, we had the 40 seconds. This is like four minutes. don't need to listen to it all, but Dean, we need to you to react to this. Okay, listen now.

Build your fucking excitement. Start competing. Zero fucking energy. Like, fucking pathetic. You're excited to play against number one team. You're excited to play fucking Saturday. Now it's a Tuesday night and you feel like, oh, I'm just going to come over here and fucking play, just play it because the fucking game is in the schedule.

These are fucking meaningful games. Important fucking points. Give yourself a fucking chance. Fuck sake. Start warning about you guys preparing this. You competed a lot harder yesterday in the fucking practice. We're there but we're not there. Don't even fucking try to tell us that you were there. We have few guys that they play their level.

Phile Svani. That's it. Don't fucking pretense. pretend start fucking working skating winning battles you know that they're gonna stay on a fuck and they're gonna spin go and bump into these guys start winning stick to stick battle start skating Dean how much of these have you seen and how much do you love it is the question oh it's good it was I did have to check is I played over 1200 games in the league and six playoff games you

need my kind of jam. I do like it though. I don't know. Who's your name. Stepbrother and Ricky Bobby? Yeah, it's a look. Because we got, we got the actor.

We just need to serve. Who's the rest of the cast? What's the storyline? It's beautiful. Hey, I like it. Anybody that, love it.

So good. He's still going. Turn it back out. He has heard this speech. He has heard the speech. Yes. Get some fucking bite in you. Seriously.

I think it goes for four minutes. I'm literally not exaggerating. That's incredible stuff. What about the score of the game one? You got to keep them short if you're going to address. I know. They're just tuning out. So yeah.

Hit him hard. We're awful. Get him. Ville is working hard in Sven. No, what you don't know is that's like it's his kid's 13 year old team. That's the only downside. It's Tim bets.

They're like. This is the number one team. Show some fucking hard. There's going to be a lot of those during ESO this week. There will be a lot. Yeah. I know a few guys. Yeah.

Yeah. You got the origin hat on. Love our good pals at origin. Now, you're saying it's incredibly rare what they do because they actually grow, like, right from the earth to the beer, that whole process. Farm to glass. Farm to glass. So I think, I don't know if this is origin or not, but it's, got to be because it's very rare. Like this how they do it. Check it up.

Let's get some tabs from the cans. Gives. Geez. This must be timelines. Set up and quick. Farming, eh? I can get into that, right? Use your knees. Yeah. You got to see if it's any good, right? So he's ready for market yet or wouldn't? Not bad. So good to get Sterling on the show for the first time. the whole of Hilton crew.

You don't think it's, is it that easy? Because they make it. They all those machines, we're led to believe that there's quite a bit that goes into it between. Like smoke screen. It's not easy. It doesn't look like it.

That's far. Right. That's they always tell you, right? I'll tell you how busy there, right? Tough on you. You got to rely on the weather. Just put some tabs in,

boys. It's a nice beer. Yeah. Go get you some. Yeah. Don't be worried about no dry January. Brett really likes these ones. The tail of the house.

Up his alley. Up here. Yeah. Hey, buddy. Brett, you said you had a quieter Christmas. You went to skiing, alpening. Dean, you were supposed to have relatives in. You didn't.

We had a kitchen dance party for New Year's Eve at our place, which is great. Ozzy gets cut to the footage. We got a little dinged up, but it's good times. So, yeah, you know. So that's a chicken on a pig and a dude in the dress. My wedding dress, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we had a good time.

Looking forward to next New Year's too. You're a hell of a dancer. I can't decide if you're the loser, the people that are making the videos are. It's both, right. Okay. Now, here's the thing. Did dude just set the camera on a tripod? And if someone catches them, that's great.

But this is way too steady. is a tripod. Yeah. That's even sadder. Good hands. Lots of guns, spins. Even the pigs like, yeah, this is pretty lame. So this is why I'm supposed to be on social media? Oh, there's a bird. There's a bird on the chair. Bird on a wire? Bird on a post. Like a bird. What's going on in this one? I want to make sure we get a cue it up properly. There's a thick accent. I don't know where in the world we are. I've got maybe. Maybe. Maybe a hint of Ireland and or like deep East Coast Canada, like where Brunt goes to vacation in the summer. It's all we have for the Pinder Report.

It's all that's left. Let's just get right to it. Hey, guys. Come with me as I shove my father into a balloon. Quick go. Quick go. I got to the knees. Who is it over your ass.

Too slow. Quaking facts. So when I. You put it out and put your two hands down in under a kid. I love to put your board side. It's in. Here he and! One, two, three, go in. Quina, off a wot.

Give it this, bro, time. What are gonna do it, Dave? I take it to solve, too. How are the house? Now, is that his? Uh, hey, Brad. Hey, Brad. Hey, Brad.

Oh, darn. Well, it's why we can't have nice things. why we can't have nice things, I guess. Where do you take care of from, Dean? Kind of sound like the Pikes from the Guy Ritchie movie, Snatch. Right, you weren't keen on that one. Sorry, bud. She's partial to Perry Wink or Blue Boss.

I've given you numerous ideas as to what you could have fun with. I've given you hobby horse content this week already. I can't do more hobby horse. Brett was very, like I think it was great, Ryan. I don't think Rhett was in, he was disappointed. He was disappointed. We enjoyed the bridal gown or the balloon.

They were long and set up and farming, Ola Yocan. I don't know. You know what, screw it. You do the Pender Report tomorrow. You know what? Take a day off tomorrow. That's your Pinder Report for Friday. Village Honda presents the Pinder Report presentation.

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you're not looking back. New year, new you, new car. Why not? Village Honda in the Northwest Automall. So we're not going to do the Monday game for our picks. Why?

Well, we'll have a show Monday. We'll react to the five we saw. Okay. I don't know that. The Jack might. The Steelers game might incapacitate Jack, which means that we can't do anything, right? Jack, do you have plans for the weekend? Yes, I'm going to watch the game.

Are you doing dry January with an asterisk? I've already started that, yeah, I started that yesterday. You're going to need one of those asterises tomorrow. Yeah. So what is your, like, I know you're a fan and you've got belief and, and you got heart and Tomlin can do it. And this is, do you know which way you're going to go depending on the result?

Obviously, the jackometer is one thing, but do you have a real plan to keep yourself safe either way? Let's play it out red. Ask them what happens if the Steelers win. Yeah, let's, all right. It's been a tight game. They're down at the half. Things are tight, but not out of reach.

Henry gets hurt Oh, all of a sudden the Steelers start moving the ball. They start cooking and late field goal wins it. What do we do? Because two things. Two things.

I know you're on your rocket ship back to that moon, but I want you safe as well, right? I don't just light it up and head off. Like, I want you to have a safety net. We need some airbags on that rocket ship. Yeah. yeah i don't i think i'll be all right if they win i'll be safe if the steelers win you'll fall down you may be you might you might pull a keith whitley jeez he knows don't google it no dark reference

red watch he could he could cook the goose too much i think he will cook the goose for sure. Don't Keith Whitleyet. I got to do Keith. No, it's just he didn't end well for Keith. Let's just put it that way. I said, though. It's a real talent.

Okay. And what if they lose? What do you think I'm doing? Well, that's the other side of it. Again, I think you need people around you. Oh, the support group. You need safety net. Like, I don't want to, I don't want you to Keith Whitleyet because of a loss either.

It's not going to happen. I got to work after after the Steve. dealer's game. Oh, no. The executive team, meaning the boomocracy has stepped in and said, there's no way we can have Jack incapacitated, trying to run the board for an afterburner.

You've got to find a replacement. I'll do it. I'll do it. There is, I mean, is there anything lower than zero as far as a percent chance that that's happening? I mean, There's a better chance of Keith Whitley.

Oh, there's a better chance of, yeah, Keith Whitley being coming into the shot here in that wedding dress, dancing around with a pig and a bird. Well, I just, because I'm, I was looking here. It's a playoff game. They had a playoff game in 23, 21, 2017. They've not won a playoff game since 2016. Was it five in a row? That was the AFC championship game, I believe, this last one. there was a lot of bad big band in there too can't pick it yeah there is there is a win there

so what what do you get but i'm just wondering what so the last time that you would have been able to celebrate a playoff 12 was in 2016 yeah i was in high school whoa big day just you know just keep it uh keep it on the rails i will i get to watch the chargers in the playoffs this weekend remember the last time they were there No. 28-0-0 Jacksonville, the lead for the Chargers. Oh, Jacksonville.

Oh, right. Yeah. That was one of the greatest choke jobs we've seen ever. Don't even talk to me about choke jobs. I'll put my team's joke jobs. I know. I know.

It's any. There's a few in San Diego history, too. Marlon McCree takes a knee after the interception instead of running it back, doesn't fumble it. Patriots don't beat them in L.A. We're in San Diego then. There's a lot of horror to go around between the Vikings, the Falcons, the bills.

We do need a Viking fan on this. Yeah, there's a lot of it. There's enough of them around. There's lots, yes. We should bring Lubo in. I'd love to get a little dip a toe in the temperature of that pool ahead of this game. I know how it'll be.

It'll be like they're going to get their doors blown off. You know, that's what that would be. be just a guess but that's the facing the public right that's the front facing yes once the doors closed and the mic is off it would more F sharps probably just because we got beat last week means nothing we're going to get in there we're going to do this I think they might be right we'll talk about our picks you know I uh I put something in the old driveroo there jack hearing loss clinic our good friends great sponsors Travis and Sabrina taking care of so many people with charity work.

Obviously the work that they do professionally with the hearing loss clinic, but they give back in the community. They do a ton of things. And we went in there and we'll have the footage of us getting the sputs in our ear as we're getting, we're getting the very fancy in ear monitors, which is way overkill for us. I mean, but, you know, look what's on Red's head right now, right?

Yeah. Makes me fall asleep. Obsolete is what that is. So not only do they, do they offer the, for hearing, for hearing loss, hearing aids and that sort of thing. Hearing protection, if you work, if you're working one of these things, you need some, right? Some hearing protection, ear protection.

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That's right. We will be looking like Kung Fu DJ. So I, this is one else that you're a, uh, is that it? There's Kung Fu DJ right there. There is. Bam, bam, bam, bam.

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There's five locations in Calgary, five in BC, and people from across the country, literally, are coming to the hearing loss clinic. Remember Steve Downey played for the Flyers, World Junior team? It's, uh, hit Dean McCamond. Yeah. He had hearing issues. and he dealt only with Travis and Sabrina at the hearing loss clinic. And there's a lot of athletes. You get into it.

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Hearingloss. com. See it does. get it done. Can I mention something? Like I had to watch that bullshit Pinder report. Yeah. There was a football game last night.

Wasn't the orange pool. Close one too. Epic. Yeah. What did you think, Brett? Well, my first half of my parlayed.

Locked in. That's the most sitting. If I wanted to cash out right now, I'm up. You're not going to cash out. I'm not cash out. No, he went in a, oh, yeah. This is not a man that cashes out.

So were you watching it or did you just happen to check in? I watched last night after it was over. Yeah. Yeah. What a game, though. What a game. It feels like something that is relevant to what we do and could have been included, especially since I bet on it.

Redd made a bet and paid attention to it. Yeah, that's right. It would happen. If we need the summary here, the Coles notes, yes, that's what we were watching here. Well, when I was doing my rounds, this is just something that popped up. I don't know. It's amazing you have time for anything else. I know, the calls and the rounds.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm like a doctor. Yeah. I know you've been part of rounds. It's not those kind of round. Let's do it. Bet365.

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Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bed 365. So yes, wild card weekend in the National Football League. Ooh, mama. Mama. That's a Steeler's song, right? And again.

Deep-dipa-dipa-de-bo-de-by-to-be. Da-bo-de-de-ba-de-ba-de-ba-de-ba-de. Yeah, something like that. Are we starting from zero here? I feel like we had a regular season champion that was Jack, and rather to pick three games, it's going to be six games this week, what? Six games.

Or we could just, yeah. Or we can just do picks and talk about them. If we want to keep track. Pick all the games is playoffs. You know what we should have done, and we still could, is we should do a team pick or team ticket. One team ticket.

Okay. Agreements so easy to find. Bring us together because there's some infighting going on behind the scenes, folks. You don't want to hear about it. It's an off air, on air conversation. But Jack's being a dick to everyone. Can't bring him in. Yeah, Jack, we got to bring you in.

Doesn't pay his debt. And we were there too. We're in, 14 points. You missed that yesterday, Dean. I got doubler nothing on four pizzas at plus 14 for the Steelers. That's all his pizza debts, double or nothing. We're either going to have pies for the rest of our lives or is free and clear? like pies for cross 14 yeah wreck gave him extra points still might not

i feel like i was in a no lose situation because i wasn't going to win nothing that's true yeah he was never going to pay that yeah that's right you weren't going to get the lose situation is you win the bet and then he owes you eight and it's still not a lot over my head yeah you have to go get a lean on his paychecks so uh let's uh so where do we want to start jack i'll let you drive the bus here uh d and you start all right so we'll leave the vikings and rams until monday chargers at the texans the chargers on the road a three point favorite i've not loved the texans as of late i like harbaugh i like their d i know that they've stumbled a bit too i just i'm going to take the chargers here i'm going to

give away the points steelers plus ten it's a big number it's not it's not a not plus 14, but it's plus 10. I fear that the Ravens still win this thing, but it might be a little closer than 10. So I'll take the Steelers and the points. Same two with the Broncos. Bills, I think probably win this thing, but I wonder if their coach and their D might be able to keep it close under a touchdown type deal. So I'll take points and Broncos. The Packers and the Eagles, I don't know why. I feel Eagles. I think Sequan's going to go off and all of that. But Hertz was injured and just I don't,

I don't know. And I know the Christian Watson's injured too, but he wasn't a focal point necessarily for that offense. I just, I'm going to take the points in the Packers. Again, I don't know if it's an outright win, but I'll take points. And this one's tough because between fantasy and

and bet three, six, five, I've done very well by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But I am going to, to go with the commanders here. I think they may actually even win this thing outright. Oh. But I'll take plus three for the commanders

against the box. All right. You're taking for the record of the five games. Four dogs. Four road dogs or four, yeah. Yeah. Commanders. Yeah, all the dogs would be on the road. So Packers, commanders.

Yeah. Okay. I just, I'm a Chargers fan. So it scares me that their favorite on the road. I think they could squeak it out. I also thought they could beat Jacksonville one up 28-0 at the half. So, you know, I have scar tissue. I'm sorry about that. Mike Tomlin and T.J. Watt will keep this close,

but I think Baltimore wins. Love Buffalo to blow the doors off of Denver. In Buffalo, hell yeah. Don't have a great feel on this Eagles Packers, but I just think if you're going to give me that many points, I'm going to take them. And I'm with you on the commanders. Jane Daniels wants to have a great day. It's been an incredible rookie season for me.

him. This is the brightest and biggest spotlight he's been in. He's had a great year. They cover. All right. Red. Red. I don't know why I do anything or why I pick certain ways because when I read other guys' picks, I could go to the other. There's lots of reasons to flip-flop. Chargers, no clue, but I'll take the points.

Steelers, I love you, Jack. I'm going to go with your team, plus 10. I always take the bills that's, it's non-debatable. Again, Packers, I feel like the Eagles win, but I think it's going to be close. And the commanders have screwed me over too many times this year. I'm going to go with the bucks. Here's our pick king.

I don't like everyone's on Pittsburgh. Everyone. I know. I'm now going to go bet on Baltimore because when we're all on something, it's wrong. Yeah, I mean, just 10.

But we're on a big spread. It's not like we're saying, Steelers win. No, I know, I know. I know. But we're all, it just feels like when this happens. Pittsburgh 10 and 2 in their history in division wildcard games, by the way. Go ahead. Go again, Jack.

Give us that. 10 and 2 against division opponents in the playoffs. Straight up. Straight up. Wow. Okay, what? Pittsburgh, 10 and 2, all time against division opponents in the playoffs. So in the 60s, they were beating teams.

That's right. They hammered those Albuquer. Turkey as Bradshaw. I don't have reason. Jack has reason. And his is more idiotic than mine. Chuck Noel could really spin together a scheme.

Terry Bradshaw's going to be a difference maker tonight. I'll take Red's bills eight and a half. The bills are a wagon. This is the toughest game. It feels like for me, the Eagles Packers. Jalen Hertz hasn't played in a couple weeks. He's had the concussion.

The receiver drummer all year. But I'm going to take them at home. I'm a flu now. He's got the flu? I don't know. That's not. Jesus. I'll take the Eagles minus five.

Buccaneers have the experience here. I like this side at home, Baker. Great season for the commanders, but I'll take the bucks at home. And then I'm with the charges as well. Houston just hasn't looked good ever since Diggs was hurt. Collins has hurt. They just never figured it out all year.

And that Buccaneers, I feel like I'm, I do. I feel like I'm being unfaithful between McMillan and Bay, they've been so good to me. You're a pilot. You're a thousand bucks if I ever pay you. They've been so good. But people that know things say that there's some injuries in the Buccaneers secondary that maybe they can, that the passing game of the commanders might finally be the team that could get to them. I don't know.

I'll stick with it. I'll take the point. So does anyone, now you want to, you can do a show pick or a team pick or does anyone want to, now that everyone's on the Steelers, does anyone want to flip to the Ravens at the last minute? I think we like our picks. That's why I made them. All right. I don't know why I made mine, but I'm going to stick with them.

Yeah, the show pick would be Pittsburgh this week. So is that our show pick? I don't know. What else did we agree on? Nothing. Shit. Actually, why am I saying shit? I'd be happy for Jack.

I would be too. Imagine the euphoria next week. Oh, the enthusiasm would be infectious for the rest of us. When they lose by nine in Baltimore advances, Jack's going to be doing backflips. We also all pick the bills. No, I got Broncos. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, you're a dick. That's right. Oh, I think they win. I just, eight and a half. I don't know. It's weird. Like we saw the bills, what, lose to the Rams a few weeks ago and then also just blow teams up by 2530.

I don't know what we're going to get there. Part of that is, too, is just kind of looking at the money, where the money's coming in. Only 40% of the bets are on the Broncos, but almost 50% of the money. So the sharps are on Denver. So the sharps are on Denver. You used to club walker when he used this as an explanation. No, it's not the sharp money's over here. It was the right pick.

And it's the same with, uh, with Green Bay. only 40% of all bets are on the Packers, but over, it's 52% now of the money is on Green Bay. And people like your Steelers, and this is at 9 and a half, not 10, 43% of the betters,

52% of the money. So Sharps are on, on dogs. There is something besides the Steelers keeping it, like the Bengals were hot and needing to win that game. And it could just, you get to the four.

and a field goal here or a missed clunk off of a yeah you know what i thought about that with the baltimore game like just and tucker said the worst year of his career by a mile like one you're talking about 10 points like one miss kick it's like it feels like that could be a story right it's been all year yeah yeah i can't wait for it's gonna be so good you guys so minor plus five football games this weekend oh baby i've got a hotel room booked i'm all to buy myself rooms. I don't know. They have room service room.

Well, regardless. Can you get your, can you get another parent to take your kid to the rink when you're at an away tournament? Yeah. I'm not at a way. I'm not at an away tournament. I'm, there's somebody else.

Oh, okay. You're right, right. That would be another level. Hey, I'm, I'm really bogged down. Can you take junior to the game? Our early coach,

let's 15 minutes before the game, plenty. Yeah. If they're there too early, they just get themselves into trouble. It's no good. It's no good. Okay.

So now, what's happening in the chat? I haven't paid that close attention. I haven't had it on. I'm getting, and you talked about something at the start of the show about with the Zeri and I said something on after, but what did I say and what's happening? Our boy, I don't have the chat up in front of me.

So maybe Jack can address that first. What's going on over there? Okay. So you said, I said something about when, about the guy and now he's been off the show, what's happening? You made Payton pretty upset. Okay, what did I say? So when we started the afterburner and we got right into the Zari injury,

you kind of made a snark comment saying, we already kind of knew what happened because pain had told us what the injury was. Right. I had a doctor there. Yeah, we had a doctor there. He took that as a little bit the wrong way and he's been very upset ever since. Should I have the comments on today. So he during that show he was in the comments getting a little mad and then he hasn't shown up since. Well, no, because I see it.

It's a, well, boomer needs to apologize. I don't know what outlandish comment I made that has everyone. So there's this one here. This is the dude. No MCL or ACL damage like I told Dean lull, but he had to take a shit on me because get this, he hates people who know things. it made Dean furious to, I get furious about things. This is beautiful. Not that kind of stuff.

Someone's furious. I get that. Well, and of all guys, he's been around. I'm a sarcastic dick. It is. It just this time, it wasn't Pinder on the receiving end. It was you. So for that, you know what I mean?

You got to have some thick skin here, Payne. You got to be able to, you know, this is how it goes on here. But if I offended you. I apologize. You know what? I think next time we do an event, one big hug, it'll all be. No hugs.

No. No, I've had one. That's, that's enough. What do you mean? No hugs? All right. There you go. So now I'm offended.

And I need an apology because he'll hug you. He'll hug you. He'll hug you. There we go. Love you, pain. We don't want to go in a weekend with bad blood. You don't want to have a bad. have that hanging over your hand?

You know what I mean? I'm glad you addressed it, Dean. Well, I'm glad I, okay, because I. Yeah. As they say, I'm Charlie Park, boys? It's all water under the fridge at this point. All water under the fridge. And in fairness, we talk a lot on a two-hour show.

We're talking for about two hours or whatever it is. And the other night, it was late. Yes. And all of that, I didn't. I'm how excited you were to give away that trip to Winnipeg in January? Yeah, pumped. Yeah, pumped for it. was the vibe that you were putting off that.

Yeah, yeah, that's right. And listen, here's the thing. At the end of the, what's important is that hopefully he's right and that Zeri doesn't have any major damage. He seems to be on a better take than what we had. Because he was telling, talking about this, that this thing. Cheer. And.

Okay. Good. So, and behold, you know what it is? We got, we're smart. people that watch and listen are smart even smarter that's why it is an expert in deep space exploration it's a very smart at our next event live event i had a thing pop in my head okay synonym you want me to write it down at our next live event what about getting i did this at the Halloween party at that house.

Kobe getting the uh, Jesus. The sumo suits and we can have it out with whoever has an issue. This is the worst. You've had some good ideas. This is about the worst. Why? I don't want to get in a sumo suit and wrestle people who are mad at me. You live in a sumo suit.

You get. Oh, hey. Oh, ow. That hurts. The pain. You just get it right back. Oh. No, I'm offended. Now I'm not coming on the show for two. It would be fun. Why don't you? Who said you had to get in it?

I'm just saying if you've got issues with someone, you challenge them. Put on the suit. Let's go. You know what it is, Dean? It's the opposite of this one. It's this. Bring it out. Get the suit on and let's talk about our feelings.

Yeah, okay. All right. Well, I've got it written down. I'm in, right? There'll be a long line of people that want to give me a time. I was going to say, it's not getting out. I get one of the same thing. Just rotate the other.

Yeah, I feel like if there was a sign up sheet, pick which one. I wonder if Pinder might be. We can set up a ring. We need a second sheet. You need a second sheet. You know your side up sheet is full. Yeah.

Multiple rings. Hey, team match. Perfect. So how do we do, does anybody, Jack, do you have a set of sumo suits hanging around? There in the officer. Get them on Amazon. Is if Rhett doesn't have something.

Do they still use them? at flames games or the but i'll bet you they're down i bet you they're there oh what about the flood flood maybe they got uh because i haven't seen him on of that flood point call connie he's got nothing else going on today yeah ask him he's got to watch those teams good or bad he can't do anything for a week oh hey retro i can't play saturday he i really can't talk about sari we don't know we're waiting for the swelling what sumo suits I'm on the other line with tree right now. Can I call you back?

These are ideas. There's no bad ideas. We'll work through it. What's next week? Oh, we'll be in the throws SOMiner. It is, uh, blue Monday. Oh, is that this Monday? Shit.

Because it's a busy, it's a busy week next week in terms of flames games. Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and then Saturday. But it's, we're right in the teeth of a big, it'll be the road trip. but early games. But yeah, we're going to have a lot of flame stuff on the go next week. Yep.

S.O. Minor. The ringet girls are doing their thing. The golden ring is coming up. Golden ring. Yeah. Were you at the seat in the other day, Dean? I was, potentially. I saw your kids playing.

Yeah, I was on the other ring. Well, uh, wasn't playing, but we practice. So that wouldn't have been, but yeah, either way.

Yeah. How'd your team do? Oh, we kicked the shit out of the part. You know, coach. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's right. Friendly fire. Be Valley. Be Valley. We'll have a good trip to Metath there retro. Safe. Safe.

Safe trip. Pender, whatever you do. Yeah, we got us. You good. Yeah. He'll be giving his best

Keenan. Yeah, I'll be doing my best. Oliyokinan impersonation of Mike Keenan. Where is your heart? You play number one team. You give fuck no.

Number five, do we work hard? Practice this. That's right. Yeah. There you go. And Jack are those dealers. Every step of the way. Every step of the way.

Stay hydrated, Jack. Leave a little glass of water. Yes, Jack. Get those salts. Yeah. So salts. Start doing that. You know that number in your phone.

Delete that one too. Just six o'clock game. Is that the kick off tomorrow? Six. Yeah. Yeah. What's on the menu, Jack? Oh, boy.

frozen popcorn yeah I might have to get back into that again that was good pizza yeah some nachos it's a full day thing it's not just one meal it's the night game it's beautiful it's gonna work perfectly you can watch the first game get warmed up have everything lined up so good make the dill pickle tip

yeah it's in the chat go get it yeah I can pull that up it's real good and m davis keep an eye in your jacket jack with a little bit of yeah probably some solid and it was requested you give us a quick screen a screenshot if you're like what's this dill pickle dip this is the funker funker oh wow some cream cheese mayo some chopped dill eight teaspoons of pickle juice that's a lot of fresh dill some garlic powder mix it together with a mix and till blended put her in the refridge that baby you'll be in

your top five forever i'm doing it it's a serve with chips and crackers How come today? Oh, because you want to refrigerate it. Yeah. All right. We've got our homework, men. All right, man. So that's my wife.

Okay. Do you know a lot of... You got a lot of cream cheese and mayo kicking around? Not really. Not really. Yeah. Appreciate your buddies. Everybody have a good one.

See what. Bye.