Bear Grease - Ep. 23: Bear Grease [Render] - Whoopins, Newcomb Bear Camp, and Warner Glenn

Episode Date: October 13, 2021

On this episode, the crew discusses the recent podcast on Warner Glenn. But first, Daniel Rupp and Brent Reaves open up about getting whoopins in kindergarten. The crews talks in depth about the Newcomb Family & Friends bear camp, and tell the stories of three bear hunts. Sadly, Daniel Rupp wasn't invited to the camp. Clay's uncle, Mike Schultz, is this week's mystery guest. He traveled to Arizona with Clay to interview Warner Glenn and was impacted by the trip to the Malpai Ranch. Lastly, they talk about the ins and outs of the interview with Warner Glenn and give some "behind the scenes" info on being down on the border. Connect with Clay and MeatEaterClay on InstagramMeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeShop Bear Grease Merch Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Check it out. Fish Hunt Fight, FHF Gear. Now, tell me, Dan, why you got whoopens in kindergarten? He called them swats. Swats, whoopens. It doesn't matter. I don't know if I want to talk about it. Hey, I opened up about Ricky.

Do you go to school with Ricky? So Ricky and I, no, they asked me to sit Indian style, and I just didn't know what that was. And so everybody immediately sat down, socially awkward situation. You're standing there. I'm an idiot. I don't know. And the teacher was like, you sit Indian style. And I just couldn't.

You didn't know what it meant. No. Go to the office. And then it was Swats. And I never looked back. Really? That was the first day. That's pretty tough.

First day of preschool. I got a woman the first day of seventh grade. I mean, which... What happened? In seventh grade, I got blasted on the first day of school. First day of school. First day of school. It set the precedent for not only that year.

The best of your life. Pretty well. Why did you get... Well, man, we went from desk. You know, you always had a desk to sit in. But in the size class, they had a table there, so it was two folks to the table. And my buddy Greg Hayes was sitting with me. That was a mistake.

You are not lying. Because he whispered something to me. There's only a few Greggs I've ever trusted in my life. I trust him with my life. But what happened was, what it was, was we were talking. You kind of dancing around this. What happened? Well, the teacher asked me, I can't remember now which one of us was talking.

Convenient that you can't quite recall. I assume it was Greg. Anyway, the teacher said, are y'all talking? And, I mean, immediately you would think he's saying, you know, stop. No, sir. He's like, you told me a lie. I go steady in the hall. I thought, wow, this is harsh.

I'm fishing to get set outside. Well, I go outside and I'm standing on the wall. Like, well, this ain't too bad. And then he walks out with the paddle. Oh, wow. This has got serious. Yes. First day.

First day. He said, three days or three licks? I said, give me three licks. And buddy. Three days of what? Of going home. No way. Yeah.

That's exactly what they, I don't know what they did down where you're from. Same here. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff they did in Hatfield, too. So, I never, I never got whoopens at school. I was sent to the principal's office one time for defending my friend, Donald Myers. Donald Myers. Somebody was jumping on Donald Myers back. And I saw it from a long ways away. And it made me mad.

And I went over and stood off with a guy and kind of, wrestled with him a little bit. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. And the teacher saw office. She was like, go to the office. And so we went and stood by the office, and I thought my life was over. Yeah. The bell rang, and the principal came out and was like, y'all go to class. And so I just took off. You know what? You know what I did, though? I went and told Gary Newcomb. I said, Dad, I just don't tell. I want you to know. I was sent to the principal's office today. Number one, if that boy from kindergarten says I cussed, I didn't. This was first grade.

So this was the next year. You were really nervous about getting busted for some. I was. Hey, welcome to the Bear Gris Render. I have no conscience. Man, I'm very, very excited about today. We have one very special guest. Everybody else here has been here multiple times.

We're going to start, we're going to go counterclockwise. To my right, Brent Reeves. Hey, buddy. Man, good to see you. Just got back from Bear Camp. Yeah. We're going to talk about that. Fun times.

We're going to talk about that. some bear camp here in a little bit. Isaac Neil. In the flesh. You're like an old, you're like an old hat now at Gregory Shrender. I'm, I'm going to move into your house. You've got some spare rooms now, so pack a duffel next time. Yep, yep.

So he was at Bear Camp too, Dan. Awesome. We're going to save our mystery guest to the end, skipping over the mystery guest. Misty Newcomb. Welcome, Misty. I also was at Bear Camp. She was. Yes.

I wonder why I didn't get a bear camp. He was friends only. Hey, listen, if I had more places to bear hunt, I would invite all of you. You know, I take it personally. And to Misty's right, Daniel Rup. Dr. Dan Rup, good to see you, man. Happy to be here. Brent, do you mind giving us a audio tour of Daniel's attire?

He's looking pretty sharp today. Daniel's hair is parted in the middle. It's looked very eriled. Arrow dynamic. His beard is full and I see no gray hair in there that from this, oh, a little patch.

I see a little patch. But he's dressed in a blue plaid shirt with a tie. He's got a tie tack. Is that a half Windsor or a full Windsor? That is a half winser. Hey, now you want me to do this? Nocum or do you want to do it?

Go ahead. My bad. Go ahead. This is a glimpse in, this right there is a glimpse. Whose podcast is this? It's a glimpse in the Misty's life right here. True story. Misty, tell him the story.

Here's the story. Yeah. He's also got on blue jeans, some kind of cowboy boots and a belt buckle the size of a small child. It says something about old Fort Worth. Old Fort Days rodeo. Old Fort days. Let's goaduckles from 1979. No way.

That's the year that I. Of our birth. You were born in 79? My birth first. No. I'm older. I'm older. I'm older, taller, and better looking.

Oh, man. Wow. I was September 18. You're October 18. Everybody knows that, dang it. I don't know how you're. You don't teach math, do you? You just gave Daniels birthday days.

Actually, Dan is taller and better looking at me. I am slightly older. We voted. You know, I just want to applaud Dan that the hairline is special. It's kind of feathered. And my kids know Uncle Dan. best for being the guy who went a decade without brushing your hair? I still don't brush my hair.

It just falls down now? It does. It didn't for a long time. It went straight up for a long time. It was in my youth. It was extra onry. Okay. And now it's calm down.

Hey, okay. Our mystery guest sitting directly in front of me is my uncle Mike Schultz. Mike, it is an honor to have you here. I got it. Say hi to everybody, Mike. Hey, everybody. It's good to be here. So I've got to give an introduction to Mike Schultz.

Mike went with me. Number one, he's here because he went with me to Arizona three or four weeks ago, whenever it was, when we went to meet Warner Glen. So that's what we're going to talk about on this podcast, is Warner Glen. So Mike went down there with me, and Mike Schultz was the one who had to have been close to 20 years ago. I mean, when you first told me about your friend. Jay Dussard, who had photographed and had these friends who were the glens and they were mountain line hunters and his daughter hunted with him and they had mules and they were, you told me about them years and years ago and showed me photos of them. And I mean, I just always

thought, wow, that's so cool. And then just this year, it kind of all came together and you went with me down there. And Mike is a, to say Mike is a photographer anymore, it's pretty easy to be a photographer. Like I have occasionally said, yeah, I'm a photographer, you know, because I have a nice camera and take photos and stuff. Mike Schultz has, aside from his professional career, which he was a dentist, so he is a doctor as well. We can go him, Dr. Schultz. He's dedicated his life to photography, to a pretty big portion of his world. Mike, tell us just a little bit about the type of photography you've focused on. Well, for the beginning of my career, it was pretty much landscape oriented and I did that with large box cameras with big film holders and that kind of thing.

I did that for probably 25 years and then I started working professionally, mostly because I had an interest in large industry and then I started using smaller cameras and getting more interested in industry and what goes on in large industry like steel mills or foundries and that type of thing. And that's been pretty much the focus of my work since then, although I still do some landscape work as well, but most of it is more

centered around industry and the workers and the work that they do. So Mike has traveled around the world. He got a Guggenheim. Right. Do you know what that means, Dan? Is that a medical condition? Are you okay? You can go to the drugstore, get some side for that. You got to put some barrel

on that, buddy. Is it? Is it? How do you know the Guggenheim is, Isaac? I'm not a museum. I'm not a museum. Okay. Let me just interpret this for us hillbillies. A Guggenheim is like a massive honor and award in a, in a, how about you tell us what it is, Mike?

Well, the Guggenheim Fellowship is an award given through a competition that's held every year in throughout North America. It was started in the mid-1920s, I believe, by a senator by the name of Guggenheim, who had a son who died at age 14. And in order to honor their son, they started this foundation. Now, the name Guggenheim is often associated with the Guggenheim Museum in New York. Same family. But the Guggenheim Fellowship is not really the Guggenheim Museum. It's a different branch of the family that started this.

And they give awards in science, arts, performance, literature, composition, you name it. and that they give that those awards every year. Any chance they'd give any kind of award to me and Brent? I'm taller. Yeah, I think there's such a uniqueness there. I think there's a very good

job. Is there like a category you know what else we might find to? I don't know Brent well enough to maybe find out. But you're out. So you got this

Guganheim, which was basically they sponsored an initiative that you did and you made your book. That's correct. I made a book. Yeah. So you traveled the world and went to foundries, which I wouldn't have known what a foundry was. Do you know what a foundry is? It makes steel. I'm looking at Dan. Make steel. Everybody knows that. You just got Dan off. He's a doctor. Everybody in here, but me and Isaac's a doctor or something. He should boast of know. You knew it and he didn't. I could tell by his eyes.

They do not know. There are books filled this stuff. I don't know. Mike has traveled the world going to The foundries, which is where they basically cast huge molten cast steel for huge parts. And so, like, he has, it's just, it's like going into the underworld. I mean, visually, you just can't comprehend the images. Have you ever been to a foundry? I happen to own a book about this big. That is not the question. It's not the answer to them.

Have you ever been to a founder? I have not. Okay. Mike, okay. Back to Mike Schultz. Well, yeah, what's the name of the book, Mike? It's called Foundry Work. And there were actually two books done.

It was a volume one and a volume two that were done out of that. And they're amazing. I mean, they really capture. Can people buy those books, Mike? Yeah, they can get them off my website. That's primarily. Microshultz Photography.com. Hey, you can go to my Instagram and see the couple of the photos that are on my

Instagram, Mike took. And they were just, they weren't like artistic photos necessarily. They were just me and Jay and a post. one of me and Warner up. Did you say how to get to your website? Clay did. Michael Shillistphotography.com. I want to get that book.

It's amazing. You guys know I like doing introductions. We spend like 30 minutes doing introductions. I've got to say this about Mike because I don't know when Mike will be back on the render. Judging by what's going on around here. Let's just say I had five fingers on one hand. Hypothetically? Hypothetically.

Mike Schultz would be top five most. influential men in my life. Why did you bring up the hand? Awesome. Well, I mean, you could have just said top five. You started with the hand and I thought we were going somewhere. It is a podcast. No one can see what you're doing.

I'm just holding up my hand for drama. Okay. Which finger am I? No, listen. Which finger? Okay. The pinky is Dan Root. What?

I'm not the smallest finger. No, I got a little. No, Mike and I, we have, I view Mike as like, he's my uncle. And so I look up to him, but I would say our relationship is not as much like uncle nephew. It's more like friends. That's the way I view it. And we've run around together pretty a lot in the last 20 years. Man, I was trying to tell us to Isaac earlier today.

By nature, I would be unorganized, mismanaged. much more than I am now. Really? The precision inside of Mike Schultz's life has dramatically altered who I am today. For real. You dramatically altered. Thank you, Mike. Yes, this is him dramatically awkward.

Thank you, Mike. Total chaos would have been unleashed on the world. Three years ago. You're joking, and I'm being serious. I am not joking. Three years ago. Listen to what I'm telling you, three years ago, I rolled up in here early one morning. We were getting on a flight three hours later going to Saskatchewan.

Clay says, man, I got to pack. I've been packed for three weeks, and I'm unorganized. But he's that morning, man, I've got to get my stuff together. I'm like, dude. I'd been busy, Brent. For real. Wow, Mike. This is supposed to be a compliment.

I didn't know what's this high. Well, when it starts out so low. Just Mike is also a master woodworker. He makes some of the finest furniture you're ever seen. Anything Mike does, he puts precision into it. And that has impacted me. And I think it's important that, you know, the people that you're around, I've learned to be impactful.

To see character traits inside of people, recognize your own deficiency, and be like, I want to be more like that. And I'm not, and we're going to get back to Mike when we talk about meeting Warner Glenn. I want to talk about Bear Camp, though. So we just, last week, we had the kind of Newcomb family and friends, Bear Camp. Almost all the friends. Almost all the friends.

That box was checked, Daniel. Sorry. I wish Bear Newcomb could be here. He could tell his story. Oh, he's got one, man. Give us an overview, Brent, of our weekend. Well, I mean, we get there on the day before it opens up, more or less. Y'all got there a couple days early.

I got there on Friday. We, James and I go around, we check baits. You guys are checking baits. James Lawrence, who was on episode number two of the Bear Grish podcast, did a bio on him. Not a daylight picture anywhere out of the four baits that James and I were looking at. So it was just a coin flip of where we were going to go. And James says, where you want to go? And I'm like, I told him the spot I wanted.

I told Clay the same thing. I said, I just, you know, it's an old standby spot. River killed her first bear there. Shepherd killed his first bear there. I know James has killed three bears there. but all of them had, you know, had shooter bears going. Just not during the day.

Just not during the day. So, me and Isaac roll in there. So, okay, Isaac was there because Isaac, we filmed this whole thing, Dan. Even though you weren't there, you'd be able to feel like you were there. Yeah. You must have a visual media type of guy.

If you had five fingers on a hand. You would have been the six fingers. If I had six. Isaac was there. I'm your weird sixth finger. That's what I am. He's an extra thumb. So Isaac was there because he was helping film.

He and Dave Gardner for a film that's going to come out for the meat eater YouTube channel at some point in the future. So Isaac was filming. So that's why Isaac was there. Carry on. It started off great, man. We decided that's where we're going to go. That's where we're going to go. You guys have gone to a different spot and had left earlier.

I stayed back to help Shep get to his spot, help Misty. get to their spot? Hold on. You're missed, we've missed a whole day. He's telling, he's telling his bear camp. Okay, this is, okay.

You want the 30,000 for a few. My youngest son came in. So James, Brent, Clay, Isaac, Dave Gardner. And then Misty and Shepard came. And then on that first Friday night, my mom and dad came. Juju was there.

Gary was there. Mr. Gerald. Mr. Gerald. Mr. Jeryl and Ms. Lila was there. And we, so we had a big, Shindig, man, egg fire,

everybody. Big coffee drinking. This sounds amazing. We drink coffee 24 hours a day when we're at... Gerald made it in a 55 gallon barrel and said right on the pot right on the fire. Yeah. So there was coffee enough for everybody. It was...

I don't know about the size. That may have been an exaggeration. We would come in at like midnight and it'd be like, I put the coffee on for it. Coffee's hot still. Yep. I made it fresh from about 11. Yeah, it was good, good stuff.

We'd hit it hard. Yeah. So, okay, so that was the first night, which was kind of like everybody came in, and so we're staying at a place, we're not camping, we're staying at a cabin. So then what happened the next day, Brent? Okay. So you can tell about your hunt now. Now, here we go.

So we get everybody sit on the stand, Isaac and I do, and then we take off for our spot. I get, it's like nine miles as a crow flies from where we are, but you know, and you go in the mountains. In the mountains, yeah, 14, back and forth and left and right and all that kind of stuff. And we get almost there. And I look very frantically in the back seat of the truck. And then I look back at Isaac. I thought, man, we've got to go back to the camp because I forgot my bow. So he's like, is this going to be a problem?

I like, if we don't go back and get it, it's going to be a real big problem. And turns out he was right. So we go back. We go all right back to the camp, get it. We get on the stand. We tried, our target time to get there was three. We were an hour late. We got there at four.

Really? Yeah, hour delayed. Hour delayed. We were set at, I think, 412. We were set. Hey, you had the cameras, everything set up, ready to roll. I told him, I said, man, I know you hadn't ever set on one of these bear baits. I said, but, you talk about the gold and hour of deer hunting.

I said, we're going to have the gold in 15 minutes, if we're lucky, before dark. It's just the way it is. They're going to come in. we may see them out there we may hear them but they're going to hang around and you know at dark especially we got no daylight pictures five minutes to six i look over to my left and sure enough here comes a bear and i miced up i tell i tell i tell elizek you know here you can i see a bear coming and and we hadn't had a daylight picture there in a long time and over a week so it's yes like what are you doing here yeah exactly yeah i was more did you ever think about just shooing it off

No, that thought never entered my mind. Why would it? You're in the wrong place, but you're early. But anyway, good bear walks up, good shooter bear, and walks behind, and he's behind the barrel and looks directly up there at us. And I thought, well, this is it. But I had already come to full draw. Bear takes a turn.

I watched the video. You about jerked the back out of that bow when you hit your, when you hit your, your, your, your valley. Oh, when I pulled back? Boom. Well, there was a small window there, you know, when I... You were trying to pull it back while the bears behind a tree. Right.

So you were just like, who. Yeah. Yeah, as soon as he, as soon as his eye disappeared, I pulled it back. So when he come out and he's looking at me, I got it right between his eyes. I thought, you know, you're going to one way or the other, if I get a shot, you know, I'm ready. And he did that old thing, you know, where they just kind of start doing the move slow. Yeah, yeah. And all of a sudden, they just, they're gone.

Yeah. But when he turned to the left, back to the left, or the bear turned back to the left, and I had a good quarter and shot, I turned it loose. I saw it come out the front and two or three jumps, and we watched him walk away. Yeah, that was what was odd. He shoots despair, it gets what seems to be like a 10-ring shot, and the bear takes a couple of leaps and then just walks off, which is not, I wouldn't say that's common. No, it was nothing.

The other two bears that I've shot like that, that I've taken. When I shot them, man, it was like the you lit a fuse. They were gone. Yes. And both of them died within, gosh, 40 yards, I guess, of where I was at. Hey, we're going backwards here, but the first bear you killed, I was with you. You were. And it ran like a racehorse about 20 yards, tumbled down a very steep hill and splashed into a creek.

Yeah. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. I was there. I absolutely vividly. The next year, or the next bear I killed, which was last year, that bear was standing in the same thing. In the same tracks and ran the same place but got hung up. But they were both dead once they hit the edge of the wood.

Yeah. This one, and I felt good about the shot. I mean, it surprised me when it went off. It was the hair I was looking at that knocked covered it up when it went through. The bear took four or five good jumps the way I remember it. I hadn't seen the footage. And then he just walked off. And I was turning out looking at Isaac, you know.

No, no, no, no, no. Bug-ey-ey-eyed. You stared at that bear for 20 minutes. Yeah, Isaac probably needed to tell the rest of this because I had no sense. It felt like an eternity. You just watched where that bear disappeared for like... Probably three and a half minutes. I mean, there's a lot that went on.

Hours later we come back because y'all had to come back to camp. We came all the way off from where we were, got back to camp. We got a problem where we're at. There's no very little cell cover. So like somebody does something, you got to go talk to them. You got to do it old school. Well, actually, the thing is, Clay was going to invite you, but we got down there. No signal.

Oh, no signal. We'll get him next year. Oh, six finger, damn. And so we go track this bear. Who wants a six finger? Nobody, apparently. So we go track this bear. And the bear starts running up a heap.

hill. Yeah. And that's where we left it off. Yeah, they attracted a little bit. The bear ran probably 15 yards up a very steep hill, which when I got on the blood trail, I was like, man, that's not a good sign. But it immediately turned back down. And the bear only went, how far?

100 yards? 150. No, he didn't go that far. I'd say about 80 yards from straight line. Yeah, yeah. And so, man, first day of bear season, we got a really nice bear on the ground. I would say if I was just being totally honest, if you weren't here and someone said,

Clay, tell me really how much Brent's bear weighed. I would say 270. So, I mean, that's a heck of a bear. It had so much fat on it. It was a good bear. It was. 270. Extremely.

Extremely. I've never seen anything like it. If Brent were here, though. I wrote a whole article on this one time about the reality of bear weights functionally inside a bear camp. Because when a bear is there in the back of the truck, and the guy, you're in the heat of the moment. I mean, you're pumped.

This is what you wait all year for. And your good buddy has killed this bear. And he goes, man, how much you think that thing weighs? I guarantee you, you're going to add 35 to 40 pounds. You're not going to do the math in your head. You're not going to calculate it, but you're going to say a number that's way bigger than it actually is. So, I've only killed one bear. And I think they told me it was 225, but if you're telling me that one was 27.

That bear weight 175. 100, maybe. I want to see that picture. Was it actually a squirrel? Oh, this is a different type of bear. Good job, buddy. Yeah, yeah. Bear weights are a house pet.

Very, very commonly overestimated by a minimum of 20%. Yeah, I would agree. They're hard to, they're very hard to judge. And we've weighed enough of them now that, you know, we kind of get a feel. but sometimes you can't wait. Like, we weren't able to weigh your bear. And then the bear, the next day that I would kill, I hate to spill the beans that quickly.

I killed the bear the next day. And I would have, it was, I estimated my bear to weigh 300 plus or minus 20 pounds. That was what I, that was what I get. And so in reality. Well, that was just clay by himself, not in front of the truck. No truck. The truck. By this calculation, if I had asked.

asked Brent, Brent would have said, oh, that bear weighs $350. Well, Brent, I saw both bears. No, you wouldn't have seen my bear. No, you did not. You didn't see my bear because I skinned up. I started out and say bear camp, there's some tensions. Some marital tensions of Bear Camp. No, all Misty cares about is bear fat, literally, right?

Bear fat and other things. And also bear grease. And meat. Yeah, I want the meat. Really, Misty was mad at me last. year? I was. A little bit. Has there been a year where she hasn't been?

Let's narrow it down. I'm just saying last year Clay took a lot of people. We won't call names. Hunting. Definitely not Dan. We started off on the wrong foot Tell me about that year. Dan is getting snippy.

Let's start the podcast by making fun of his outfit and then only talk about things he wasn't invited to. Everything's fine. Everything's fine, guys. I'm fine. And so he didn't, you know, other people got the meat and they got the grease. And, I mean, we had a lot of time to cook last year. I had both girls home and we wanted to do something. And we run out of the berries fast.

No bacon and home. No. He didn't bring home the bacon, did he. He did not. Not literally or figuratively, yeah. It was a good year. And then he goes hunting in the spring. And that bear had, I mean, he took a picture of them holding up the little tiny sliver of fat.

Yeah. I mean, there was nothing. on it. The bear kill that I was in on this spring, which I didn't pull the trigger. Literally, I took a video of the amount of fat we pulled off of that bear. Very small amount of, you know, a spring bear up in Montana is not going to have that much fat. A lot of the bears are going keto now.

Yeah, they do up there. A lot of approaches. You still miss an important part of that day, that kill of my bear. What's that? Tell me. Between Isaac, Dave, you and me. Ooh. millions of views, millions, literally millions of views, video and photo between the four of us.

And we didn't take one picture of me with my bear. It is so sad. You had two professional photographers and one photographer, and we didn't get a single picture of your bear. Not one. You should have had one more person there. Daniel, will you be my man to remind me to take pictures? With my iPhone. It's so overlooked.

Yeah, I really regret that. Often overlooked. You know, I'm going to have a great video, though. I never thought about it until you said, hey, we did it take any pictures? I mean, you're bare, we had skimmed it. It was in an ice chest, and I was like, we did any pictures of your bed? I mean, we did it hard go, man. I think that that's a part of the story that's very, I mean, incredibly valuable.

I did not know where we hunted had a. a drop-off box. Like, you know, you go in the 90s, you would drop off your videos at Blockbuster. You read it cool running. Exactly. Exactly. And you leave it in the overnight drop box.

You go to the post office today and you've got a letter you want to mail off. You put it where we were, they have an overnight bear box. A cooler that you just drop your stuff off. Oh, yeah. Kind of crazy. Yeah, I go get it tomorrow, matter of fact.

No, we had a great, we had a great bear can. It was great. And, uh, Isaac, hey, real quick, what was your perception of the whole thing? You'd never been to our camp or anything. Oh, incredible. Uh, the hunting was great. Saturday. Britt got a bear Sunday.

You got a bear. Monday. Monday. You got to tell that story. Or you're just going to have him on. You got to have a bear. I thought about bringing him on. But yeah, I'll tell you.

Wait, wait, wait. The most manly person in bear camp wasn't in bear camp and was Clay's 15-year-old son. Exactly. What he did was everyone was just like incredible. Last spring, Clay Newcomb and I collaborated with Jason Phelps at Phelps game calls in building each of our own favorite turkey diaphragms called prime cuts. Now, I'm going to tell you, I love mine because it's easy to use. I'm not going to go, I'm not going to win a turkey calling contest.

It's just not going to happen. But when I run this call, I get the sounds that gobblers are looking for. I have a great turkey hunting track record. If you go listen to real turkeys out in the woods, they're not going to win calling contests, right? That's who I listen to. I can make those sounds on my cut. I also hunt with Phelps's cut,

and I hunt with Clay's cut because they're all three great cuts. Check out prime cuts at Phelpsgamecalls.com. I think you'll be glad you did, and you'll find out that the Steve Rinella cut is an easy-to-use cut for beginning calls. who just want to start making good turkey noises and getting action. So four years ago, we, bear nuke them was in line to start bear hunting. You know, River killed a bear first, and bear was in line to bear hunting.

We hunt over bait. We love hunting over bait. It's the way we hunt. I could tell you, you know, the other way that I love to hunt, which I love even more than hunting over bait is hunting them in national forests like deer. which is, I believe, the toughest hunt around. Gotta be. Toughest hunt I know of in this part of the country.

Just because of low bear densities, the wide geographic home range that bears have, I mean, you can walk around the woods for years and not see a bear in good bear country. It's tough. And so I saw some fire in bear's eyes when he was about 10, 11 years old. And I just said, bear, you ought to. You ought to think about this. I knew it had to be his decision. I wasn't going to mandate this.

But I planted in his mind the idea of not killing a bear over bait and killing one in the national forest, which I knew was going to be very hard. And mainly because his brother and sisters were killing Bear and kind of getting attention for it and whatnot. But Bear liked the idea of it. And he said, yeah, that's what I want to do, Dad. And he had a moment of weakness one day

when he was, I think, 12, and James Lawrence didn't know. that we had this little deal going and I was gone and James said hey bear why don't you come hunting with me and so bear was like okay and so bear took his bow and can't say no to James Lawrence

and actually actually clipped a bear so he shot at a bear over bait out there but we never found it and then bear came back and I mean it was totally fine but he was like yeah dad I'm not I'm not gonna

hunt overbate again and he just didn't have the tact at that age to be like Mr. James, no, actually, I don't hunt over. I'm not going to do that. So, yeah. So, but, so for the last several years, we've hunted in National Forest and tried to get him a bear.

And years ago, years ago, I said bear, and this was before we made this deal. I told bear, I said, one day, I'm going to drop you off, and I'm going to give you a pack and some freeze-dried meals, and I'm going to send you off, and I'm going to pick you up three days later and let you camp all by yourself. And this is when he was just a little boy. And I remember his eyes lighten up and just thinking how cool that would be. And that's what we did this year. It was time. You know, back in the summer, I said, bear, you need to hunt the first three days of season. And so we're having this big bear camp, which our bear camp is just a ton of fun. I mean, we eat great food. We sit around the fire. I mean, it's a lot of work. We eat all the bars.

We're baiting bears. Yeah, we had lots of fruit bars and different things. We, we, we, we, We, it's camaraderie, it's fun. We don't hunt the mornings, pretty much just hunt the evenings. So, you know, we're sleeping in a little bit in the morning, sitting around drinking coffee, just having a good time. Well, the night before season, all of us drive over and dump bear out in the woods. And he's got his pack and his bow. And he's got a tethered tree saddle, which is a way for him to get up in a tree,

had some sticks. And he's got an in-reach. and parts of his hunt he'll be in cell range. And so the whole weekend we're just like, we're back living in luxury, and Bear Newcombe's out, you know, roughing it out in the woods by himself. And it was so cool because the whole,

I mean, there wasn't probably a five-hour stretch of time when somebody didn't say something about Bear being out there. You know, what, did anybody get an update? Does anybody heard anything? Has he seen anything? Well, on the second, day he saw a sow with cubs which was a big deal he you know he messaged me dad i just saw a sal with cubs huge and you can't you can't shoot a sow with cubs and it was within eight yards of him just

walked right under him and so big win like i thought there's our win and he is not just hunting he he had a game plan what he did is he he hunted out from his camp for the first two hours of the morning and still hunted just moving along slipping in through the wind and then By 10 o'clock, he would be hunting in his tree stand, which was over some bear sign, which where we knew some bears were moving through on natural food, essentially. Okay. And he set in that stand from 10 a.m. till 6 a.m. for three days,

eight hours hanging in that saddle. 6 p.m. 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. So 8 hours. And he, on the second day he saw bears. and there's a Dave Gardner took a photo of my phone because Dave and I were hunting

when I messaged Bear and said, hey, we'll come get you tonight. This is on day two. So he's been out there now two full nights and three days the way it worked out. Well, parts of three days. And I said, hey,

if you want to come to Bear Camp, we'll come pick you up tonight, meet us, you know, down the road. And I kind of ex, I was trying to give him a way out. I didn't want him just to be. Yeah, yeah. And he said, I've got the message.

He said, nope, I'm staying. I got to kill a bear. So he stayed. And the next day, we had already killed bears. We were rendering bear fat. We had no more than filled the last jar of bear fat. The last batch. We were working on it.

We were working on the last batch of bear grease. Yeah. And I see the little green button beeping on my in reach. We had sort of mentally like, all right, finish the bear grease. We're going to go get some little shots for the film. get a sunset shot, whatever. Like, we were winding down. Back to civilization.

Green light on the in-reach. Green light on the in-reach. I go to it, and it just says, I killed a bear! That's the mention point. And we just flipped out. We really did. It was probably...

Jubilee. I can't ever remember personally being more expressive. Just, I mean, just like, I was just like, he killed a bear! Man, your eyes looked like cartoon eyeballs.

I couldn't believe. They were that big. I messaged him back and I said, we're on our way. It took us three hours to get to him by the time we got there. And me and Dave and Isaac went up to him. Brent went and got ice with my dad. Can I interject here? So Shepard and I had left Bear Camp.

We were trying to get home before dark because we weren't staying overnight. Like 10 or 20 minutes. Right. And so as soon as I get into cell range, my phone's going off because Bear, we have a family text thread and Bear sent a message to the text thread. And so his sisters were the only ones in cell range, but they were in different states. And so they, he, they're all talking and I see the conversation and I see all the, you know, the Newcomb thread is popping up. And so Shepard and I look, and I pull over, and there's a construction area, I pull over. And I was afraid

they were going to go be in the out of cell range all night long and not see, not see the message, because it is sometimes difficult to get those in-reach messages. and especially where we're at because there's a real thick canopy. So I turned my car around, and I told Shepard later on, I have no recollection of going through the construction zone. I don't know how, and Shepard said, you did. You were safe. He said, you may.

But I thought I saw an orange color stuck in the barrel of your car. But it was real sweet because the girls are bare. It's not probably the most expressive of the Newcoms. And they were taking pictures. of them on FaceTime. Yeah. Because his face was like glowing. I mean, it was really sweet.

He had to skin the bear by himself. And they, he didn't know how to turn, take a... And oddly, where the bear ran, he had like better cell coverage than we have right here. Yeah. Where he was hunting, he did not as much. But when it went where it did. Anyway, so he facetimed his sister. And she was able to get a picture of the bear before he skinned it via FaceTime.

It was pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that was neat. And we went and got him, and then when he came off the mountain, there was a whole crew of people waiting, my dad and mom and who else? Brent, Misty Ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And anyway, they had drinks for him and food. It was a big deal. It was awesome. My man, he slept on the ground, no pad, which was just rocks. It looked like grass until you lay down. And then his pillow was a stuff sack full of grass. Yeah. He ate one freeze-dried meal a day.

Is that what he said? Yep. And Dave, I think, asked him, like, did you get scared? He's like, well, there's this time I was eating dinner. And a skunk came along. And I thought, that thing sprays me. My hunt's over. It's like, that's what, because I would have been.

Yeah. It was the skunk. Yeah. He did good. I was proud of it. You know, the title for that hunt. It should be brave heart. Oh, yeah.

You know, it really shows a lot of bravery and... Just dedication to a plan, which is unusual. Yeah, no, I was really proud of him. Yeah. Everybody was. Still am. Well, speaking of one of the best hunters. Speaking of the topics at hand, Warner Glenn.

How good was that? Mike, you listen to the podcast. Sure did. What did you think? You were there. I was there. It really brought back memories and... just feelings I had when I was there.

I thought it was extremely well crafted and put together and condensed because it covered, you know, we were there a total of maybe a day. We were there a short time. Very short time. Lots of, we gathered probably three, four hours of audio content. A lot of stuff happened and they were very busy people running that ranch. They were extremely gracious with how much time they gave. And it happened quick.

It was, the podcast is excellent. And the feedback that I've had from my friends and from especially Jay Dussard, who is in the podcast, Jay said, quote, it was fabulous. And he's known Warner for over 60 years. Yeah. Always like it. I'm trying to make a point when I interview some of these older people to ask them where they were when John F. Kennedy died.

Do you remember the other guy, Britt Davis, who's 90 in the Appalachian Mountain podcast? I asked about where he was. was. Yeah. Because it's, it really is. It's kind of like just a sampling of time. And Mr. Britt was driving a road grader. Really?

Yeah, he was driving a road grader. And you know what? He worked most of his life. I mean, that's what he did. Mr. Warner Glenn, you asked him where he was at when John F. Kennedy died. He was on a mule hunting lions in the desert. And that's what he has done in a lot of his life. What was so unique is that Jay Dussard had the skull.

And it just didn't pencil. It said November 22nd, 1963. And then I said, Jay had it impact you when Jeff K died, he said, well, it mainly just reminded me that I voted for Nixon. What did you think, Dan? You know, I think for some reason, one of the things that sticks out to me is when his daughter was just talking about the way that she almost like intergenerationalally, the way she kind of shows him respect and honor. And like she said, I ask him questions that I know the answer to. Yeah.

And I just thought, man, what a rare kind of glimpse into their family dynamic and how they treat one another. Respect. Respect. And honestly, after the podcast, I called my mom. I thought, I want to interact like that. And I want to, I just really, I really enjoyed kind of the intergenerational. And then the other thing that really got to me was when she was, they're both talking about the one dog that's older. Yeah, yeah.

Hook. Hook, and when she was describing Hook, and that's like a metaphor for her dad, and kind of watching him do the end of his life, but continue to model and be a type that everyone can. I thought, man, that's fantastic. Yeah, the way she described it when she said quietly going on. Uh-huh. That was, that's a, you could, I don't know if that whole podcast or that man, the image I had of him after listening to that, if that wasn't a, the most fitting description of the stuff that he does and what he represents out there, quietly going on.

It was really powerful for me to listen to that. Yeah. What did you think, Brent? Well, it was just, it reminded me of a lot of people that, you know, my grandfather and, you know, people that I've known and read about and heard about, you, you referenced Daniel Boone in that thing. A lot of that stuff came back in my head about how he was, how humble Mr. Glenn. is and you know to him the stuff that he was doing like boon it was i'm not doing this for glory

this is just something needs to be done and this is this is what i do this is where i am in my life and this is the things that i do to take care of my family and myself and this is i just go do them they just happen to be hard yeah you know there's so many things that i wanted to talk about about him first of all i and i think i can say this and be safe in that because i don't want it to sound negative. I expected Warner Glenn to be, and when I say a proud man, I don't mean that negatively. I'd never spoken to the man, you know. I dealt with Kelly the whole time, like setting this up, you know. And I knew Warner had a ton of character. I mean, like, he was the guy, the kind of guy I wanted to learn who he was. And the biggest thing, Mike and I

discussed this in great detail. I'm Misty too. I've talked to Misty about it. What I was most impacted by and it was very real to me was his humility. It was the dominant feature of who he was and it wasn't just a personality trait. It wasn't just niceties. It wasn't hospitality. It was a deep, genuine humility that can't be fabricated. And I'm telling you, I, what I said at the end of that podcast, I meant in that sometimes we, as men and me, I was talking about me. At the age I'm at, I feel like there's this pressure from the world to be bold and confident. I think I have mistaken that at times to be the dominant feature of what my life is supposed to be. And just what I saw. And man, sometimes stuff is just revelational. And by that I mean you see something.

and you cannot explain why it changes you, but it does. You walk out of it and you're different than you were before. Yeah. Really, we're pulling out of Warren Glenn's driveway. And Mike and I had this conversation. And I said, I now, I said, I could have told you this before. I could have spoken these words in this order. But I said, I see how boldness and confidence are,

the foundation of it is deep humility in othersness and servant. servant focused, which I mean, maybe, I mean, that's what I saw inside of Mr. Warner. And because I expected kind of a John Wayne kind of guy. Right. And he did stuff that John Wayne would have, you know, fell out of his horse if he'd done. I mean, you know, I mean, Mr. Warner really. And y'all hadn't even heard the most of it. I mean, and a lot of stuff in his book, he talks about, I mean, just wild stuff.

I mean, like he is really a modern, they can make a movie about him. I mean, he's tracked, his neighbor was murdered by an illegal immigrant that came across the border. And Warner Glenn tracked that man down on a horse until the dude went over the border and they couldn't pursue him any longer. Warner, you know, roping mountain lions. Warner, you know, wait until you hear the podcast number two. When you're going to hear when he got into a fist fight with, uh, somebody, I'm not going to tell you who it was until the podcast, but changed his life. It really did.

And then he became this diplomat. He was in his 40s, kind of the peak of when a man, I think in his 40s, a man, he's not an adolescent, he's not an old man, and it's like, you can really screw stuff up in your 40s, I think. Or fix them. Why are you looking at me? Why are you saying this? You happen to be the six finger. in that same vein though you know you guess when you can fix them well that's right i mean

thank you brent it feels like when you're in your 40s your world is starting to formulate you know like you you gain confidence your careers developed you you have decades of potential accolades that have built into your life it makes sense that he would have done what he did and then but it shifted him and changed him Anyway, I look at the thing behind the thing. I do. That's just the way we do. Just as you're talking about this, Clay,

I'm thinking something, kind of a new thought here that I see. You know, his dad was Marvin, and Marvin became very well-known, very famous in the Southwest. And oftentimes when you have a famous father, you oftentimes have issues with the sons. And I didn't sense that at all

in that family or inside of Warner at all. he he he warner had also become let's let's say famous and yet you could see that it never touched his life his the amount of accolades or the amount of tension he had had in his life was really it's like it was deflected off of him he just he never he never got defined by that he just did what he was supposed to do and kept doing it and enjoying his life and making sure his family was secure and uh he didn't he didn't run after that fame, which I think is pretty common in a second son underneath a famous father. They want to cut out their own territory. And you didn't see that with Warner at all. You know, there's been a fair bit of press given to Warner Glenn over the year. Like this book,

like he didn't write a book about himself. Somebody else wrote the book about him. I picked up a book. I'm reading a book right now that references Warner Glen. It's about Jaguars, which you'll hear in a later podcast I'm going to do. But What I saw, too, was a man who, he didn't ask for me to come to his house. I sought him out. Like, he does not seek attention, but he was very, very hospitable. I mean, he didn't, Warren Glenn didn't know who Mediator was. I mean, it wasn't like we got some kind of special treatment because, because, I mean, he ain't

never heard of him. You know what I'm saying? Right. And they treated us like kings. They really did. And I admired that. But Misty, what did you think? Some of what I thought has already been said, so I'll just elaborate a little.

Or tell me a favorite part. Let me ask you a question. Yeah, let me ask you a question. I'm just thinking about what you just said about him when he was in his 40s. Is that when the incident that you're going to talk about in the next podcast happened? That's just super interesting to me because you could see how you, yeah, no spoiler alerts here. But let's just build some suspense. Everyone should listen to the next podcast.

It's going to be really good. I thought when Kelly talked at the end, it was very good, and I thought there was a real sense of mutual honor. You could see it in her. I mean, she was the one talking, and what she was sharing was really good. You could also see it in him, and I think that it's sometimes hard as you age to release, you know, ownership of things to your kids in these multi-generational families. And what I thought was really, I just thought the whole family dynamic was very unique. and there was a culture of honor, there was a culture of humility. And I felt that when you came back, I think that would be my biggest takeaway from the whole podcast is how you were when you came back.

And I could tell that it had really impacted you. And when you started talking to me just over coffee about the impact of interacting with this guy, and then to hear Kelly describe him the way she described him and to hear how he gave, you know, basically gave the is giving the business over to her. And there's a real level of partnership. And I thought as a parent, that's something that as we age and as our kids are only just barely dipping their toe into like their early years and their dreams and their visions. And there's no family business here. You know, there's no, it's not like we're passing down a business, but just a lifestyle.

And in a transition moment right now where our kids are doing some real exciting things. And I want to be able to interface with my kids with that same level of. honor and no sense of just a sense of respect and a sense of humility and I would want to pass that on to them for them to pass on to their kids and I was really just really moved by the intergenerational dynamics there going both ways Kelly to him and him to her and like you said Mike what Marvin must have passed to them for him to be able to do and other stories that Clay said has told me that we'll make it on the podcast next week talk a little bit about Marvin and and I I I I thought you could just see there was something at the head.

I thought it was an aspirational place for parents to stand. Yeah. Hey, before I forget about it, if you want to get Warner Glen's book, you can buy it from W.U. Hunting Supply. Buddy Woodbury and our buddies at W. You can order it from there. Spell it out. It's actually DUSupply.com.

Like D as in the letter D.U.Supply.com. Isaac, what did you think? I haven't, give me a, you can't, okay, you can't say, well, I just want to piggyback off what everybody else said. I absolutely am in agreement. I've got two thoughts. I've got two thoughts. One, do you intend to shorten his first name as well to just warn?

You're talking about a lot of parallels with Dan Boone. No, okay, so this isn't as profound or anything like that. But when she was talking about getting bitten by a line. I was attacked by dogs three years ago, Rottweilers. In a bad way, there were three of them. And I had 48 punctures, one in... No way. Are you serious? Yeah, I got a big...

Oh, you weren't wearing those crocks. I wasn't. But I was riding my bike with my daughter in the trailer. Oh, my goodness. Say that again, I missed it. I was riding my bike with my daughter in the trailer. It was crazy. Yeah.

But speaking of that, I was wearing shoes, and I kicked that dog in the head as hard as I. I could and it did nothing. I have never felt... Just riding down the road. Yeah, just in town. Are you much of a kicker? Yeah, I played soccer growing up. I feel pretty good. I'm not trying to make any accusations. Just wondered. It was the most impotent I've ever felt in my life, just like I have no power in this situation. And knowing that and then thinking about their situation, which is a mountain line, which is a heck of a lot bigger than a Rottweiler, it's like, I just made the experience emotional of listening to like Warner coming in and beating up the thing.

And keep in mind, this was what, how many years ago? Well, the lion bite was actually... 2014? 19. Yeah, the lion bite was more recently. So how old is he? Oh, Warner would have been 80 something. When he was punching a lion down?

When he, she gets bit by a lion and he goes in and starts punching, and I'm thinking, guys, not a spring chicken. Anyway, all of that was pretty, pretty... Not all chickens are the same. Some have six fingers. Hey, I'll tell you one thing that stood out was when he talked about how they rope those mountain lines and put them in zoos. I had somebody write me, I don't know who it was, somebody on Instagram, say that they thought it was really unique that he was able to look back on that. Oh, yeah.

And say, hey, it was probably a mistake. We wouldn't do that today. Yeah. And him just kind of be okay. with that. Contextualizing it. Yeah. I've learned since then.

There's a rare muscle inside of someone, I mean, anybody. I mean, like, because you look back on stuff and most of the time you just wouldn't, I mean, if you didn't have a problem with it then, you wouldn't have a problem with it now. That's not a good way to describe it, but. I love both sides of it because he has the cognizance to say, like, hey, that was wrong. It's probably one of the worst things you could do. Wouldn't do that again. And then the commenter to acknowledge that that is remorse and not try and shut

him down for what he's down in the past. What did you think, Dan? I remember that section, and it seemed that he really identified with the mountain lion. Yes, he did. He said, it's a wild thing made for wild places, and I wouldn't like it if you put me in a pen or an enclosure. And so clearly as he goes after these animals and hunts them, he's got a high, of course, he's got a high level of respect.

It's not, you know, but he's actually identifying with them, which is what gives him empathy and I was very happy to bring it to attention that it was a Disney movie that that was on. I noticed that. For real.

Because they would, they would, some of these companies would love to just string hunters up and just say, look at these hillbilly redneck, irrelevant barbarians.

And it's like, hey, you guys were the ones making movies back in the 60s about rope with lions paying our boys to go do it. I mean, these are the creators of Bambi.

Yeah. Same good. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say in the coming episodes, I think it'll expand even an understanding of Warner and the family and what's going on in that region also, which, again, I look forward to hearing that again because they're more than just a ranching family and they're more than just a hunting family. There's more to their legacy than that. Yeah. Yeah.

It's kind of hard talking about Warner without being able to talk about everything, but I want to wait just because of that second podcast. Hey, what did you guys think about the part about him running into all the drug dealers, what he called drug mules on his land? I was worried that you left it in there. I was worried for Warner. Why? Well, what if they hear it and find out that he called after he left?

Oh, everybody calls. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. There's a drug. There's a drug. That's exactly. A drug meal who's listening to the Bear Grease podcast. It went, doggone and I saw water. You just lost one listener.

I was cooking. I was cooking. And I heard that and I thought that. And then I thought, wait, they would have to be actively listening to Bear Greas. Probably good. No offense claim. I am very certain that we have a large demographic of drug users. Drug mules.

I was going to say, you know, just the demographic is why. The perfect is wide, let me say, that listen to Bear Grays. I thought it was a very pragmatic approach to solving the issue. Howdy, boys. We'll see you later. I just hunting down lines. I couldn't. You know what?

It's interesting interviewing somebody like Warner. He is so practical. Like, he was always kind of in a hurry to tell his story, even though he's a great storyteller. But I found him, and part of it was because when we were there, they didn't change their life too much for us. Like, they still had to do all the things they had to do. So when we got there, he was like, well, we're going to go. You remember when I got there, we went to some well, five miles away.

Like, they had work to do. Well, we got to take the dogs out. He didn't do that just because I was there. Right. And so when we sat down for the interview, that was the only part of time that really wasn't, like, on the schedule. And so, like, he kind of moved fast, but I wanted him to tell some specific stories that we didn't get to. But in the book, there's a story of him and Kelly coming around the canyon.

coming around this trail, and he says there's two guys sitting on a bail of drugs, bales of drugs in the trail, and they just surprise each other. And you just can see Warner just like nonchalant, not acting surprised. He didn't like turn and run with his mule. He just said he greeted him in Spanish. And he said, are those drugs? This is in the book. He just, I think it was, he just knew he had to get the elephant.

elephant, you know, the elephant in the room, go ahead and pointed out. They stopped the mule. They're 10 feet apart or whatever. And he says, those drugs. And he said they just shook their head, yes. And he just said, well, we're lying hunting. I guess we'll just go on. And he went past them, went around them, and went on.

And they get out of sight. And then he's kind of like, holy cow, that was wild. And he turns to Kelly. And Kelly says, did you see the other eight guys in the bushies? So there were two on the trail, and Warner never saw the other. I'm pretty sure it was eight. It may have been six and two to make eight, or it may have been two and eight. So there was this puddle in the road, and there were tracks, there were no tracks leading into it.

You're going to get into another one of these scenarios. Alex is going to read Warren's book. It wasn't like that. No, but that may have saved his life, just being so nonchalant and pragmatic about it. And, you know, he just, he just, anywhere he goes, he just kind of set the room at ease. Yeah. You know, just kind of like, you got some drugs there? And they're like, yep.

And I appreciated the response of the drug dealers. They were just like, yep. What are they going to say? This is coffee, coffee. Stand up drug dealers. You know, they're in their words. Yeah. Kind of.

Oh, man. You can read this book and learn more about it. But I love the mule part. Him talking about mules. You know, I meant what I said, too. Like, if you hear me talking good about mules, that means very little. When you hear Warner Glenn talk about mules, he's not, I mean, it's funny. I meant it very much what I said when I joked about Instagram.

It's like, Warner Glenn is not trying to impress anybody. He just wants to stay alive, and he rides a mule. It was pretty cool hearing him talk about that. Yeah, yeah. He really loves those animals. He takes really good care of. care of them also. What's so wild about being down there on the border, you drive like 10 or 15 miles of dirt

roads to get to basically Warner's driveway, which goes into the ranch, which it's a huge ranch. Like he called himself a small-time Arizona cattle farmer. I don't know how big the ranch is, but we're talking tens of thousands of acres. Yeah. So we're talking about, like, you know, and they're small, small-time ranch. And the whole time you're driving in there, you're driving east and directly to the south is a huge metal wall. Brand new. It was pretty wild.

We took pictures over by the wall and looked it over. The wild thing is, is that there were, there's creeks that creeks and rivers that have to flow from Arizona into Mexico. they just have floodgates that are open, welded open. So when we were there, Kelly was just like, yeah, it's a great wall. They just come through the holes where the creeks go through. We were pulling into Warner Glens driveway, and we meet three Border Patrol trucks coming out. And Kelly's in front of us, and we're following her. I made mention of this, and Kelly gets out and talks to the Border Patrol,

and the Border Patrol drive past us and they're driving past, you're kind of looking in there, just kind of what's going on. Anyway, they'd picked up six people within a half mile of their house that day, and they didn't think a thing about it.

Like Kelly was just like, yeah, I said, what's going on? And she said, oh, it was just the Border Patrol. They just picked up some people over here. And it's just interesting. It's just part of life down there. Right. You know?

It just changes the day. dynamic of your life big time. Sure. And like I said, his neighbor was murdered. Right. That is crazy. But that happened and that's their life. Yeah.

You know, for me in Arkansas, it's a headline or it's a news article or it's something people argue about one way or the other. That's their life. You know what? Felt Warner Glenn was classy enough. Warner Glenn and them, they have opinions about stuff just like anybody would. you never, Warner never said a derogatory word about the situation. He never did.

About the immigration situation. He, he, the only things that he said to me was he was very concerned about it being a wildlife migration inhibitor. Because they want lions and jaguars coming across that border and they can't get across that, they can't get across that wall. And that was his, that was the one thing he opened up to me about. He said, yeah, we're worried about it as far as migrations of animals. Because they're in this wilderness, truly. I mean, there's cattle. There's a few people, but I mean, you know, pretty much a wilderness.

And their life is revolved around hunting these lions and stuff, which I just, I appreciated that. Because what you would have expected inside of a polarized world is people down there to be embittered or this or that. And he, man, actually what I saw inside of him was some, some empathy for them as people. That's right. But at the same time, they'll turn people in when they sit. I mean, they're just, they, they understand the law of the land, but they also, I felt like, had some empathy towards the human aspects of it. I think that fits with the other things that we've learned about Warner, Glenn, that he's like an iceberg. And I'm sure there's thoughts.

I'm sure there's opinions. but it really does say a lot about a man who can just, you don't have to see all that. You've got nine tenths that that's covered, and you've got one tenth that people can see. And I think it says a lot about a person's integrity to just kind of be who you are. I just thought it was very telling when asked about the wall

that his opinion of the wall was that there used to be an eight-strand barbed wire fence there with T-posts every 12 feet apart, and it was a good fence, but then, you know, it was an old fence and it needed keeping up. and that was pretty much it. There was no politics. You want to know what I think about the wall? It was like, it was a pretty good fence back on the H.

Strand barbed wire. Oh, man. Let's talk about this structural dynamics. And then he told me they put a, during the early 2000s, they put up a vehicle barrier, which is like a big metal type fence that's low, like animals could go through it. And he said they would just build ramps and ramp over it. and then the new wall is like it's 30 feet tall six by six posts in deep concrete

the six by six posts probably are four to five to six inches apart they four yeah like this probably four so envision a six by six square tube that goes 30 foot straight up in the air and then there's another one four inches only the skinniest of lines can get through yeah I think what hit me was you

said whatever you look at, whatever the angle, there's only one Warner Glen. Yeah. You know, and I think, like, as even his daughter was talking and he's getting older and, you know, and he said about that dog that's going to pass, maybe this will be our last winter together. Yeah. I was doing the dishes. And usually I listen to your podcast when I'm doing the dishes. And like, I immediately kind of, I got a little lump in my throat.

And I, obviously, I don't know this man. but I think that's a rare man. And when the world loses a man like that, it loses something of great value. And there's just not too many people who can be in and live in a very complex situation. We're talking about immigration. We're talking about conserving wildlife. We're talking about an intergenerational family and a business and his granddaughter

and how to the sixth generation. How do they do that with her and do that well? And all these things, he's the same. man and he does it well and everyone is blessed because of it and when he passes it will be a loss yeah yeah daniel i think you hit it right on the head because i think that's what i know i felt and pretty sure clay did it was like he's like a gem that you don't want to lose and it's that's just life but uh and the simplicity of his life how he's able to to maneuver himself his family inside a very complex world.

They would have most people chasing their tails and a lot of turmoil and that type of thing, chaos inside of the family. You don't feel that with that. There's been a foundation built in that family that while all this stuff is going on around them, they know who they are and they know what they're called to do on that ranch and how they're supposed to live. And it's given them a lot of stability. Well, I look forward to telling more Kelly's story.

She, I said it, we could have made a bear grease podcast just about Kelly. Yeah. For real. She's a neat, neat lady. And in a veteran dry ground lion, we didn't even talk about lion hunting. I mean, the whole aspect of being a dry ground lion hunter is pretty amazing. And that's what a lot of the next podcast is going to be about. Because that is one of those things that unless you understand it, you have no context of

why that is special. And so if you value North American hunting, you need to know what dry ground line hunting is. Super unique, super difficult. Pretty much you've got to dedicate your life to it to be good at it. And Warner Glen is known as, and we use this phrase, one of the best in the world. You know, there's not, we're only dry ground lion hunting

on this side of the planet for the most part. So you could say best in the country, best in the nation. It's kind of like the NFL being the world champions. And it's like, wait a minute. But we didn't play anybody from Italy, did we? I thought when WarnerGlynn said, you know, that was one time when Kelly got hurt. Or he said something like that was one time when she got bit by a line. I was like how many times?

Oh, hey, did you like that segue? Do you think it was funny? When he said, now that was just one of the time she got hurt. I don't want to tell you about the other. And then I said, oh, sounds interesting. And Kelly's like, did that tell you I got bit by line? Well, what, she didn't tell us, too. And I don't know that I'm going to include it just because, I mean, it's just a long story.

She got like straight up, just dang near killed on a mule two years ago. She doesn't even remember what happened. She just was like, I was riding the mule and next thing I know I'm in the hospital. Like she literally doesn't know what happened. There's so many contradictions. They were catching, basically catching these like rank cattle. Like they turned these cattle loose on these big open sections and they have leasing. some on public land and some on their land.

And they were rounding up cattle and like, you know, roping and running through brush. And basically she got raked off a mule, went over backwards and just blacked out. And I can't remember how they got her out of there in the specifics of the injury. But like she's had some pretty major stuff happen over the years. You and him both are so contradictory about how safe these mules are. I know. I'm glad you said that. Every broken bone in our kids' lives, with the exception of one this summer that just happened,

has been off a mule. Well, okay. And that, like, really, yeah, somebody could say, hey, Clay, you say mules are safer? Because Warner says, mules are safe, and the next thing, Kelly's getting tore up by a mule. An equine animal is inherently dangerous, no matter if it's a horse or a mule. True. So these things could, like, the spooking of the, like a mule will spook. A mule will fall over.

A mule will hurt you. A mule will kick you. A mule will do everything a horse would do to you. Maybe worse. But they're typically safer. But they make great pets. Just dig the hole. And this is where we always end in our family.

But, you know, cars are also dangerous. Yeah, yeah, that's our argument. Cars are dangerous. Cars are dangerous, too. Most dangerous thing you did to Davis drive here. Yeah. Get on a mule is no problem. No, hey, thank you all.

Mike, it's been great to have you. It's been great to be here. Thanks. Yep. Isaac, good to have you. Brent, good to have you. Well, you better call us all out now. You've been six finger over here. Yeah, boy, you're welcome.

Daniel, quietly moving on. It's our first time to not have a song. It's not the first time to not have a song. Might be. But I think there might be a really good song next week. I think the first couple, you didn't have a song on the first. The first couple of renders, did you? Yeah.

Maybe, okay. I don't remember. Since there's been songs. Since the songs have begun to be sung. Since songs have been sung. All right, well, keep the wild places wild. That's where the bears live. On blood trails, the stories don't end when the hunt is over.

They just get darker. I've seen something in the road. I instantly thought it was a sleeping bed. And there was a full of blood. Oh, my God. He doesn't have a hit. Blood Trails is a true crime podcast born in the outdoors. Where the terrain is unforgiving, the evidence is scarce, and the truth gets buried under brush and silence.

Indications were he should be right there, but he wasn't. This season, we're going deeper. From cold case files to whispered suspicions. From remote mountains to frozen backwoods. Each story begins in the wilderness and ends in darkness. Because out here, there are no witnesses, no cameras, just fragments, and the people left behind trying to piece them back together. He's not an honest person.

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