Bear Grease - Ep. 280: Render - Almost a Game Warden, Scoring a Bear, and Elm Bow

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

In this episode of the Bear Grease Render, host Clay Newcomb is joined by Dr. Misty Newcomb, Bear Newcomb, and Josh "Landbridge" Spielmaker as well as guests Moe Shepherd, and Kolby Morehead of Bear Hunting Magazine to discuss the latest Bear Grease podcast on Hillbilly Speech. Bear expresses his distaste for using Elm wood for self-bows. Moe talks about almost becoming a game warden. Clay measures Kolby's spring bear he harvested. If you have comments on the show, send us a note to [e-mail] Connect with Clay and MeatEater Clay on Instagram MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, and Youtube Clips MeatEater Podcast Network on YouTube Shop Bear Grease MerchSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are recording. Thank you, Misty. So you don't drink coffee, Mo? No, sir. Never, never liked it. I mean, I tried it several times, different ways, different shapes, colors, flavors, everything. Didn't like it. Didn't like it.

Never did tobacco? Yes, I did tobacco for a while. Oh. Does your mom know? Yeah, my mom knew. She knows now. She stayed at me all the time. Did she give it to you?

Yeah, I quit. You never smoked? He doesn't drink Coke. Don't drink soda. Well, like I said, I don't drink very many, but I drink some once in a while. If we're somewhere in the water's bad, then I won't drink water. But that's what I drink mostly is water. Yeah, that's pretty good.

So you said right before we started, you said that you used a term that I wasn't, I mean, I was mildly familiar with it, but I didn't know the exact context. You said your dad made stock racks out of sassafras wood. And cucumber wood. So tell us what a stock rack is. Well, a stock rack when I was growing up was hardly anybody had any stock trailers or anything. And so I grew up on the farm and dad would build stock racks to fit his farm trucks. And you'd take lumber and he liked lightweight lumber that was tough. And sass frass was one of them.

Cucumber was another one. And he'd saw it down and planed it out. And then he'd build a stock rat. and you'd make four sections he'd have one on each side of the bed that went in the post holes in the style of old trucks most trucks don't have that anymore like a flat bed no no like a bed truck

a truck with a bed but they had the old trucks like his old 64 Ford yeah I grew up riding around in had four had six holes in it had two up front behind a cab two in the middle and two back back tailgate so it'd been like wooden like four befores that he would have made at a sassafras

I think they were like two but twos is what they were but he made them and then he screwed the slats to it to however high he wanted to make the rack if it was you know and what would he haul in there he hauled everything that we raised out on the farm he hauled hogs uh he hauled cattle you know uh just anything that we the animals we grew that's how he hauled them to sell them whether we took them to the stockyards or whether he sold them individuals so we got on this subject because you asked bear yeah how big a chunk of sassafras would it take to make a a bow. Yeah. Yeah. Do they, are they making bows out of sassafras? I've seen some people make them out of sass fras.

It's not like a real common wood to make them out of. I'll tell you what I am curious about those cucumber wood. Yeah. I'm like that. I think it is a type of magnolia tree. Big leaf. Yeah, they got big leaves on them. So it doesn't actually grow cucumbers.

No, that's the name of the tree, though. That's all I've ever heard of call. That was my little. Is it the one that has the big old, like, long leaves? Or are we talking about something different? It's got big leaves on it. It's got big leaves on it. But it does, and it, what's the wood like?

It's, well, it's a light wood, but it's pretty tough wood. A lot of the old mill sets used to like to get it to make flat, plain lumber out of and stuff that didn't weigh much. So it grows a big, it can be a big tree. Yeah, I mean, it gets big. It gets, you know, big. That's not what I'm talking. I'm talking about umbrella magnolia, which is not a cute. Got it, okay.

They have blooms on them, the ones you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah, the big long leaves. Yeah. Okay. And most of them go on that. You're making an elm bow. Yep.

And it's kind of been our mission to degrade elm. Like, national campaign against elm. I'm like almost done with the bow. And like, it is only getting worse. The far than you get into it, the more and more, I hate it. Hey, well, you know, this is, this show is child friendly and ultimately it's Misty Newcomb approved. So I can't say the word that people call that tree. I will spell it.

They call them P-I-S-S-LMs. Yeah. I see why. Have you heard that? Yeah, I haven't heard that. We can't say that in school, can we? No, well, I mean, depending on what school you're at. You can't say that combination of letters either.

So, anyway, it's not a good tree. I mean, it makes a halfway decent bow, but it is just the most difficult wood to work with. I've been trying to heat the top limb into just to like being straight for the last, I mean, that's what I've been doing the last four days. Just heat my name. Because I mean, like, for hours a day. Because you got to let it sit to cool. So it takes a really long time. And I'll heat it just like smoking hot, let it sit, come back, like three hours later, take it out of the jig and it'll just snap right back to where it was. Oh, man. And I mean, it is. And the other thing that I don't understand about it is I had this like perfect tailor on it. Like the limbs bended like perfectly even. And then I just put a little bit of reeling. curve in it and all of a sudden the top limb is like totally flat and the bottom limb is like real

flexible so that was probably on my end but I'm going to blame it on the elm yeah might as well I think we should blame everything on it. Bow woods is a pretty pretty good topic to start off a bear greece render about yep um so welcome to the bear greece render we've got uh dr misty nukem here today very glad to see you we got mo shepherd Mo, long time, friend of mine, biggest hillbilly I know. So that's why he's here. You didn't know.

Well, now. I actually learned a minute ago, you were in the 80s. Tell me the story about your potential profession. Yeah, when I was 20, in my early 20s, I don't remember the exact age, but it was in the early 80s, I had the opportunity at the time I was working with the U.S. Forest Service,

and I had the opportunity to expand my career because I helped some game ball just with the game and fish, do some bear study on a bear den and stuff. And when we got through, then I kind of became friends with them, and they said, you'd be good at this kind of stuff. I said, what kind of stuff? They said, working with the game of fish. I said, you ought to think about being a warden,

and it got me interested. So I went through the whole process of doing it. I got in the process. I got letters of recommendations sent in for me. I got the paperwork all done, and I was accepted, and I was supposed to go to the Mayflower Academy down in Arkansas down here to start the police part of it, the academy part of it. Law enforcement part of it.

Yeah. I was around two weeks of it, and I got a call from the Game of Fish, and they said, news for you and I said what and they said well said our governor has just issued a deal and he says that we was bill Clinton who was Bill Clinton and he said we will have it nobody working as a game warden or biologist or anything through the game and fish that doesn't have a four-year college degree and I didn't have that oh man so that put a stop to it and I never pursued it any far we call that hillbilly prejudiced because I think that's right as as Dr.

Brooks Blevins said that part of having a regional dialect and specifically the dialect of the Ozark and Appalachians typically is associated with lack of education. So here we have a man fully qualified that can't get a job after he applied for it to Bill Clinton, the number one hillbilly. Man. No, shucks. I told Mo, I said, Mo, I don't know if me and you could have been friends if you'd have been a gay morden. It was a joke. We laughed. Yeah, we laughed about it.

It was funny the first time I said it. Mo, good to see you. Thanks for that story. That was good. That was good. We got Josh Spillmaker, who was on the Bear Grease podcast. Finally. My crowning moment.

Is this your first time? It still doesn't count as a feature guest. And Bear John Newcomb, also my debut on the official Bear Grace. Was it? Was it for real? Hey. I've never been on the main podcast. Oh, well.

He's been on several renders. Colby? You know, it's those that you love that they hurt the most. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Mo's been on there so many times, he can't even count. I've only got ten fingers. Yeah.

And then we have Colby Moorhead of Bear Hunting Magazine. Just so everybody knows a little bit of the backstory. You know, it's only been four years, I guess, since I was, I did Bear Hunting Magazine for an eight-year period. and Colby worked for me, moved up from Texas to Arkansas, and long before I had any knowledge that I was going to be working for meat eater, Colby worked for Bear Hunting Magazine. And then when I left and went to Meat Eater, Colby completely took over the magazine.

It's his business. So you've been running it now for three years? Three years, yeah. Three years. This is your desk, wasn't it? Yeah, I turned your desk into a dog kennel. I think that was my idea. The dog kennel?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You were like, it turned out nice, though. Look how well Bearhunt magazine is doing now. It's doing great. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Under this leadership, under this regime. Really good time. Especially the last three years. It was crazy. I bought the magazine and then I got married a week and a half later. Big change. Just picked on all the changes. Picked up on it.

Hey, show us that bear. So we're going to score a bear real quick. So this bear was a big bear. Yeah. You weren't able to weigh it. We had to pack it out. But what do you think it weighed, Colby? Oh, it was, well, I was guessing 4.50, but after seeing a bear, I got in Saskatchewan this year, he was a lot bigger than that one.

They always looked bigger. Like the one, the one, yeah, the one in Arkansas was bigger than the Saskatchewan. We need something to set this off. That Saskatchewan, Bear weighed 427. We'll put it on the saddle. We'll put it on the saddle. So when you score a bear, you're getting two measurements. you're measuring the longest distance between this occipital bone and then usually the front teeth.

Like if the bear didn't have teeth, you would just measure whatever's the furthest out front. So you're taking that measurement and then you're measuring in between what they call the zygomatic arches. So it's just two measurements. And now the reason I got interested in scoring this bear is that this was a huge bear. and I would have, if you'd have said, Clay, I killed a 450 pound bear. I would have said guaranteed over 19. Yeah.

And we'll see. So this is what they use at Boone and Crockett to caliper measure bears. They also have a bear box that's actually better than these. Is that an Arkansas bear? Mm-hmm. Yeah. From the mother man.

I'm going to put it right. Get that stretched out for me, Colby, so we can... So we're just measuring the barrier. I've got these big calipers, and I'm getting them measured, getting them for those in the audience here. He's using calipers and then using an old war-out tape measure to add it up with. Yeah, exactly. Okay, we're going to call that the length.

So remember this number? We're going to go by 16th, so it's 11, and... Oh, goodness gracious. It's tough math. Three little marks. Eight, ten, six, ten-sixteenths. You don't reduce the fraction. Am I right, Colby?

Is that eleven and ten, sixteen? I think so. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. We're going to call it eleven. Eleven and eleven-sixteenths, okay? And then on the zygomatic arch, bear skulls there's there's a big debate in the bear scoring world of do bear skulls get bigger as a bear gets bigger you know like they definitely grow like it takes them a long time to mature but i've never found an

academic source or just somebody that really knew that wasn't anecdotal like i've got an opinion but i have nothing to back it but like i think once they get about six years old The skull doesn't really get any bigger. It would be like, does your head get bigger after you're 25 years old? Like, does your face get bigger? My name's more head, so. Does your head gotten bigger? Yeah, a lot bigger.

Are you, because all the big bucks you've killed? Yeah, and all the big bears and everything. Yeah. Okay, I thought for a minute you were being serious. It's like, really, your hat sizes changed? Okay, there's the Zygomatic Arches. Because you might kill a really old bear. We're going to call that six and eight sixteenths.

So do the math. 18 and 11 and 10. 5 eighths. Is it really? That's just what I whizzed through my head. See how close I was. It was what? It was 11 and 11 16th.

Yeah. I just waved it through my head and eight and five eights. But I think it'd be eight. 18. I think it'd be eight and a little over that. 18. Oh, what was the calculator? What was the second measurement?

Yeah, what was six and eight. 16th. Wait a minute. We're not in the 16th on a calculator. So, wow, we're just like stumped. I think it's 18 and 316. This is riveting podcast material for all you audio listeners out there. I think it's 18 and 316.

18 and 316. Okay, so that really surprises me. I think that that was a, I mean, a mature bore. It's not like a juvenile, but not a real old one. No, young. And they didn't have a big skull. And a lot of times, too, we've not got the tooth age back on the spare but

a younger bear has a real slick skull and one that is older just has a lot of a lot of like it almost looks like a coral reef on its head it's got kind of like what it looks like on the inside no those are its sinuses at least that's wild that's cool well the bear that I'm working on now 18 and 316s okay 18 316s I got a bear that on a with a sharpie on top

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Do that for Colby. Is 19 a marker of some? No, 18 is Pope and 20. Good question. And 20 is the minimum for Boone and Crocket. 21 is the minimum for all time.

So Boone and Crocket has, when you hear somebody say, that's a Boon and Crogett deer, that's a Boon and Crocket bear, the story is actually a little bit more complex than that. Because Boone and Crocett has two record books. They have the three-year record book, which the minimum is lower. and that means every three years they make a record book. They print a book.

I've got one in here somewhere. And if you kill a bear over 20 inches during that three-year period, your name will appear in the record books. Those who kill a bear that scores 21 is in the all-time record books, which means if you had killed a bear in the 1990s that scored over 21 inches, which would have just really been something. I know. It would have been something.

It would remain in every single record book. So I killed a bear in 2015 that scored 20 and 816th. It was in that one book, but it won't be in all the rest of them. Does that make sense? So every animal, every boon and crockett animal actually has a all-time record and the minimum boon and crocket entry. And so you hear people throw around all the time, 170-inch typical white tail is a boon-and-crocket.

Like guys constantly say, oh, that's a booner, 170. Actually, 160 is a booner because 160 gets you in the three-year period record book. Okay. But 170 is what people picked up all the time. It's all the time. Yeah. That's an all-time. And with White Tailed deer, and this is another thing that, you know, just like things change in kind of like the working vocabulary of all this stuff,

is that the boon and crock, like you might kill a non-typical buck that scored 170, and you'd be like, man, I killed a booner. People would say that, like, nonstop. But the boon and crock at minimum for a non-typical is actually, pretty sure it's 185. It's been a long time since I've even looked at it.

195, I thought. Is it 1995? Probably, you're right. I think you're right. I trust mo. 199. In the, that's all-time. All time, yeah.

I think the other one is 185. The other entry. Anyway. Have you killed a Boone and Crocket deer? No. Bear? No. No Boon and Crocket?

No Boon and Crocket anything? The only animal I've ever killed that scored Boon and Crocket minimum was a bear. So you have killed a Boon and Crockett bear? I have. Minimum, but not all time. 20 and 8.16s. He would have needed 21 to be able to be a little time. That's a big bear.

That's a big skull. You could kill a hundred bears and not kill a boon and croquet bear. Have you ever killed? You've killed one over 20, hadn't you? No, that's why I was telling you. I've killed 11 bears, and my biggest one was 19 and 14-16s, to be precise on the measurement. Yeah. There's something about those high 19s that, I mean, that's a big bear, high 19s.

And it's like, when you get one over 20, like, you've got a big one, anywhere in the country. Boone and Crockett brown trout's 30 inches. Brown trout. Is that a real thing? No. No. Is there a scoring system for fish? No.

And if there was, we wouldn't talk about it. It would just be way too boring. Poundage, kind of like if you're overweight. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. On Blood Trails, the stories don't end when the hunt is over.

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Real quickly, I picked it up. That it was totally different from most anything that you had put out on the Bear Grease podcast. Yeah, yeah. Did it make sense kind of what we were doing now? Yeah. Like it was kind of like, oh, this is going to be fun. We're intelligent listeners.

Yeah, especially after the office references. Yeah, yeah, Andy Bernard. Do you like that? Yeah. Did you hear that, Misty? I got it. I was being proud of me. Yeah.

I was mixing online reality with like, reality. So probably people are like really confused. Yeah, that's what I actually know Robert Morgan, the famous boon biographer, who actually is a professor at Cornell, who when I was with him, was very tempted to ask him if he knew Andy Bernard, which I think would have like totally confused him. If he would have caught the reference at all. No, I don't think he would have. And I don't know, he may be, he may have been more like pop culture savvy than I thought, but I don't think so.

Robert Morgan is pretty dedicated guy. He's pretty dialed into what he does. I thought it was great. I really enjoyed it. I felt like it had the right amount of content that was educational, but at the same time, it was a pretty fun episode. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't think Cornell is going to be really sought after as a destination school now. What if we get a C-synthesis? blood are from far now. They were like, hey, bear grease don't mention our name anymore. Yeah, they were a little rough on guy from Wisconsin, Chester. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't get off this office reference. I wonder if there, you know, there's conspiracy theories about how all the underground

channels of like big business, big government, Hollywood works. If I would have been the maker of the office, I would have put out a bid to schools across the country and say, we're going to use the name of this school for the next 10 years and 10 episodes. That's right. Because no, there is no bad publicity. I mean, it's still publicity. Oh, I wouldn't even know what Cornell was if it wasn't for Annie Bernard.

I didn't even know it was a real school. I don't think when they filmed that originally that the thought was this is going to be a huge success that can go on for 10 seasons. I don't think that that was the mindset at the time. You don't think they put out a bid. I do not think they put out. Well, the reason I bring it up is I'm now putting out a bid for a fictitious college that we're going to use in all Bear Grease episodes.

Well, I think what you really want to do is put out a bid for an honorary doctorate. Oh. Hell yeah. That's what you want to do. The first school to give you an honorary doctorate will be the official. be the official college of bear green. There we go. That's what you're looking for.

I'm not sure we'll have too many bites on that. Maybe, well, shoot, I wish Rich Mountain Community College to give you up rich. I would like for it to be like, you know, I mean, for sure, the Arkansas Razorbacks will be like number one pick. But it could be like the West Virginia Mountaineers. Yeah. You know, I was in Bozeman, Montana last week, and I talked to a bunch of students from Montana State University. The Bobcats?

They've got it going on there, those guys. Really? Oh, yeah. We talked to school pride? Yeah. Surprisingly, they've got a pretty good football team. Isn't that the one with the famous coach? I don't know.

I don't know the answer to that. But we had a couple of young lady students like trying to recruit our 18-year-old daughter to go to school there and be a ski instructor also. Oh, wow. Yeah. But a lot of school pride, they were really proud of their school. Well, this is, Brooks Blevins was on, in the first three or four Bear Grease podcast, Brooks Blevins was on it.

He was on the Death of a Bear Hunter podcast, which was really great. And since that time, Brooks has been on multiple times on Bear Grease, and it's kind of become a hero of the Bear Grease podcast. Misty, what, I think we're past the football. football coach. Okay, but it, okay, it definitely is. Yeah, I think, I think we've just moved on. You should look them up. A famous coach for the Bozeman, Montana State? For his, yeah. He's a guy with all the one-liners. Yeah, the outrageous things he says in, in press conferences and I almost had it. I was almost there and I got called out. This is getting in class for, this is the kind of stuff that actually happened to me all the time. I would get interested by something someone would

say, and I would kind of go on a tangent with that. and then I would get called out. I don't like it when people do that. I don't like it when professors realize that you're not paying attention and then call you out to make you fill them. I hate when that happens. And I know I'd do it too to students. Like just to get there,

I'd like to do when you're sleeping. I know. When you were sleeping in my class? I don't know. Wow, wow. This is getting a little too real here. It's personal. Maybe we'll have a conversation afterwards about this.

Bear's sleeping in class. No, I don't know that Bear ever actually slept in class, but he definitely sometimes would turn it. You knew if you had Bear's attention or not. If you didn't, he would be. be like a total space cadet, staring out the window, like not even in your direction. Dreaming of the outdoors. He probably was.

And I would say, hey, Bear, what do you think about that? He'd be like, I don't, he wouldn't even lie. He'd just be like, I don't know. I wasn't, oh, is it really? I did that all the time when I was in school and look at me now. Look at you. Look at Mo. Yeah, if I could turn out like Mo, I'd be pretty.

You'd be good. You'd be good. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay, who, what, what stood out to you in the, the podcast bear you go first like what just what part of it stood out to you the biggest thing the thing that i thought was most interesting was what he said at the beginning about uh how like our dialect and the way that we talk is influenced by like the media and the things that we consume yeah i would

never really thought about that but i mean like it you know like just yeah it makes sense just that like if you the people who are kind of like you know isolated for many of that will still have like really strong dialect and accents and stuff, but like now it's kind of becoming a little more neutralized just because we all watch the same stuff, hear the same voices. Yeah. But I thought that was one really interesting point. The other one, I learned a lot of stuff that, a lot of things that I say that I didn't really realize were like specific to where we live.

Right. Like stobb. I thought that was just something everyone would have said. like a stob, but, you know, he said that was something that was kind of specific to... Yeah, I didn't fully understand that. He was saying a stob was like a stick that you would hold. Yep. Right?

Yep. He used it like the... He talked about the stick, but he also talked about, like, you mow over field. And you have little saplings. Yeah, I guess that's a question I would have. Was he saying that other people don't say that? Yeah, he was saying that. He did say that.

He mentioned Billy Bob Thornton. Now, I've got some questions here. Alumnist of Hatfield. Oh, for real? He went to second grade in Hatfield, Hatfield, Arkansas. Where Misty went to school. Let's let Bear Finish his statements.

Well, that was pretty much it, just that our, you know, dialect is kind of becoming a little more neutralized. I think it's becoming a lot more, especially when you think about, like, television's hit American homes in the 1950s, probably Moe is that right I remember when I was old enough to know what a TV was

that we just got one I know we hadn't had it very long I remember I'm talking about it. You were born in 1960 so 60 but we lived way out in the middle of yonder you really did here's an example whenever we went to Tennessee there was like it was kind of this like really small pocket that I don't think they would have

really like I don't think any of them would have been on like social media or anything I mean, they all had televisions in their houses, but like overall, it was kind of like a somewhat isolated pocket. And their accents were like extremely thick. Right. Yeah. And they used all sorts of different words that. Yeah.

Like I've grown up kind of, you know, hearing a lot of hillbilly dialect, but they were on a completely different level. Right. It was like, they were speaking a different language just about. Or as the local say, you ever noticed someone from Tennessee always calls the state Tennessee? Tennessee. Tennessee. They have a little different emphasis. Just like Chester says, Wisconsin.

Wisconsin. They don't say Wisconsin. It's not W-I-S-H-S-K-O-N-C. They say W-I-S-K-O-N-C. Wisk-O-N-C-E. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wonder, I think about the speed, you know, over the last, in one of our classes that we talk about,

language and dialects. And you think about like things people used to travel by horse and then they traveled by train and then they traveled by car and they traveled by plane. And all of that like cuts the distance between places, the time space distance is a lot smaller. And then you see that same trend in social media

because there was the radio and that kind of introduces neutralized tone to everyone. And then there was our dialect, exposed people to different dialects, TV, but then with social media, I mean, that's like so fast. Yeah. And so things have changed. I think it would be very interesting to look at the difference.

We give the kids at school in one of our classes where we talk about dialect, they take this test that the New York Times does, and you can take it for free as long as you create an account, like a free account. But it predicts it shows you like a heat map. Do you work for the New York Times? No, I don't. And it's a, I didn't just sell it. I was just saying it was free.

Interesting detail. I know that you have to log in. You have to create an account. I mean, that was the reason I said that, because I used to, when I first started giving it to kids, they didn't have to have an account, and now they do. But it's free. And so, anyway. Used to, there wasn't such a thing as log in something.

I know, yes. Logged something in. You built logs around something and made a hog pan out of it. We logged that hog in. So you take this test, and it tells you, it predicts where you're at based off of, I think, 21 words. And so one of them is, what is a, what? What is a dark carbonated beverage? What would you call that?

Coke. I would call, whether it's a Dr. Pepper or a Diet Coke, I would call it a Coke. And Josh, what would you call it? I used to call it a Coke. And everybody always would, you know, when I would go up north, they'd say a Coke. Because they call it up north, they call it a pop. Right. And I call it a soda now.

And some people call it soda. So soda pop. And then those are your options. What would you call it, Mo? A dark, something dark? Like a carb, like a. What would you call a Coke? Yeah, what would you call a Coke?

A sodie water. What would you call, if I said, do you want to drink? And I had a lot of stuff in the ice chest. I had a lot of options. If you said you can have tea, milk, or... And you had both Dr. Pepper and Coke. What would you say? Well, I don't like any one of them a whole lot, but I'd probably say, just give me a Coke.

No, no, not what would you... Yeah, he just answered me. Yeah, yeah. Just answer me a Coke. I mean, a Coke would mean, like, well, what kind of Coke do you want? Well, I want a Sprite. Yeah, give me a spriter, give me a darker pepper. But I want to Coke.

Yes. That's what everybody's the category of those carbonated drinks. So I'm saying, growing up, we went down to those old storic combs down there, and they had the old balls you pulled out the machine. You put like a nickel in there and opened the door and pulled it out. And when we was going to go down there, if Dad took us down there, we'd tell and say, Dad, can we get a Coke while we're down there? Yes.

They didn't matter if you got an orange or whatever. You just told me you wanted to Coke. And that's the way, that's what we would call it as well. So this was on the test. This was away. Okay, the big, the large cargo vehicles that drive on the interstate that have 18 wheels, what would you call that? Yeah, there's a lot of different words.

What would you call it? Well, you know what? I call a semi. I'd call it a semi. 18 wheeler. 18 wheeler, would anyone call it a big rig? Yep. Those would be.

Or a tractor trailer. A tractor trailer. So those are your options. Or I have no word for it. I always just heard them call semis. Yeah, I was called a semi. Yeah. A person who defends someone.

Would you, who present someone in a legal proceeding, would you call that, the way you pronounce that word, would it rhyme with saw your? Cru or sooy? Crook. Would it be lawyer or lawyer? Lawyer. Lawyer, crook. Lawyer. So I would, I would say lawyer.

Lawyer. So, but tell us the answer. A lawyer. Well, there's not an answer. It just depends on where you're from. Did you hear what Josh just said? A lawyer. Lawyer.

Lawyer. That's loy like soy. Yeah. And I say law. Did you raise up north? He was raised by a Yankee. Yeah, I was raised by a Yankee. I was raised by a Yankee in the south.

That's what really messed me up. So what did this test reveal? Just where you were from? And so where did the students show they were from? Well, my students are from all over. So usually it shows from all over. Was it pretty accurate? It was pretty accurate.

But I've noticed over the last five years a big difference. It's not as accurate as it used to be. and it's more centralized. It's super interesting to me. And because used to the kids that were raised in the South, like that hit pretty hard. But I think part of it is that people are getting married from further apart. You know, so you have a mom from one state and a dad from another.

People aren't living as close to their grandparents. So a lot of people would say, that's right for my grandparents. That's where they grew up and that's where my mom grew up. But I was born in Dallas. And that's not how we, and I have taken on the Dallas. So it's kind of interesting. Brooks said that linguists believe that dialects are going to continue because there's been people that have said that they're going to die out.

But it's hard for me to not believe that they're going to die out because there's so much homogenization. It's hard. Because now maybe they'll just change, but like it feels like dialects are dying off just because like Bear said, YouTube and television and potty. And it's not a conscious decision. Very little of it, I think, is conscious. Some of it is.

But, you know, like when Misty asked me what a, I guarantee you coming out of my hometown at age 18, if you would ask me what a semi-truck was, I would have had one answer. Yeah. Just like, this is what it is. And I actually can't remember. Now I would just equally call it a semi-truck or 18-wheeler, you know.

And I don't, point being, I'm, I'm so deep into the woods now. I don't really remember exactly probably what my grandpa would have called them. Now, Mo's given me a tip off, him saying semi. That's probably what I would have originally said. That's all I ever heard them called when I was growing up, semis. Yeah. Yeah.

And I wonder, too, about, like, thinking about where he's talking about, there's not great internet coverage there. So they don't have access to just scroll all the time as easy as maybe someone who has. I think there's some parts of the world. world that are kind of isolated, not just geographically, but to a certain extent still from, not from the internet as a whole, but from easy access to the internet at all times. Yeah. Internet ruins everything.

Well, and, you know, the truth is dialect is not, I mean, Gary Newcomb, we grew up in rural Arkansas, and my dad was adamant about us having good grammar. I mean, and I'm not saying I necessarily have good grammar, but I, but if we, we would come home and use double negatives or say, just use what might be typical of my peers in rural Arkansas. He, I mean, from the time we were first graders, he was like, nope, because he wanted us to sound more educated, you know. And yeah, he did because, you know, he was born in rural Arkansas, became a banker, was in the professional world. And so I think that track happens quite a bit, too, where people try to kind of mask, not mask,

because it's not like it was a moral question of this was good or bad. But, you know, he kind of shaped the way that we spoke and said stuff. And the truth is it's really hard to change that. Like when you're from a school's perspective, We test kids on spelling, we test kids on writing, on reading on grammar. And I'll just be honest, if your grammar, I think, is one of the hardest things to change, you can teach kids to do algebra. That's not something any of them I've ever heard at home.

Everybody's learning that at school, and you can teach that. Grammar is really tough to change because it's the voice in their head. However they grew up in those first five years, that's the voice in their head. And you can be extremely intelligent, but just raised in an environment that did use, non-typical grammatical structures and come into a school. And that's just those first five years, that's when you're learning language. And it's hard. It's tough.

Yeah. It can be done, but it is super tough. So there were, well, Josh, I'm afraid I'm going to get into your questions. I'm afraid you are too. Okay. Well, let's start. Let's do our trivia. Okay.

Get your trivia boards behind you there. All right. So this is Bear Grease trivia. And I'll be playing. Well, I don't, I don't feel like a. a subject matter expert on this. It's not like Osceola where I was the one doing all the stuff. This was kind of just Dr. Brevin's talking. Yep. So I'm in it. Okay. Is everyone ready? Keep score on your board. I will be the judge, jury, and executioner of whether or not your answer is

correct. Okay. Question number one. What European region is credited with the majority of influence of the Upland South dialect. And there's a couple of different answers I'm willing to take the general idea. Mo, do you know it? What do you think? Everybody, everybody ready? I don't know. Yep.

Okay. Clay, or Misty, we're going to start with you. Scotland, Ireland, okay. Mo, what do you got? I put it down Norway. Norway? Bear. Scott's Irish.

Turn your Colby. Gaelic. Clay. Ulster Scott, Scotland. That is correct. Actually, the Scotch Irish or Northern Ireland is where the majority of the Upland South dialect.

Now, there are several words that he talked about. The word was in there and it stuck out to him. He talked about words coming from Norway, too. He did talk about some words coming from that. That's what I remember. I'm curious to see what art you come up with this time. I'm working on it. Okay.

Which, to me, I had never really thought about that. I assumed that, like, the Upland South dialect had just been something that had evolved in America. I don't think I had ever put together that it was actually had deeper roots than that back to... Mo, do you know where your family came from? Like, the Shepherds came from when they... Originally? Yeah, like, what country? I bet they were Scottish.

I'm not sure... Scottish or Irish? I mean, Shepard. I think there were some Scottish that come from overseas. And who was it? One of my, I think it was my great, great grandma maybe. She'd come on a boat across the ocean from Europe, but I don't know which country it was. I bet money.

I bet money it's Scottish or Scottish. I know it was Europe, but I just don't know which country for sure. Yeah. If I had to guess, Colby's probably Irish based on the hair color. Maybe. Hey, well, I've said this so many times, but what's cool about Mo? There's a few things cool about Mo. I mean, not that many, but one of them is that his family homesteaded over here in the Ozarks.

And, you know, your fifth great-grandfather or something. Well, my great-great-grandfather and his brother came up rafts up the Mississippi be from Alabama, came up to Arkansas River, got on the frog bio on their house. Oh, that's cool. And spent the winter probably three quarters of a mile or mile from where I live at now. And then one of them settled there in that area, which is the frog bayou. And then they moved on up the frog bayou just a little ways and found a spring up there, which was called Shepherd Springs.

He settled there or both of them settled there for a while. got their families and then my great-great-grandfather moved on up into the mountains up up what's called Shepard Mountain now and that's where you were born and settled his home up there and that's where I was born and settled there in the late 1840s early 1850s yeah and then he was killed during the Civil War up in on that mountain up there oh wow that's incredible yeah that's really cool so you can look on a map and find Shepherd Mountain up there okay question number two this is a question about Dr. Brooks Blevins what county in Arkansas is Dr. Blevins from.

This is a multiple choice. Do I get double if I get it right with that? No, you don't. Dang. Ozark, Newton, Izard, or Baxter? That's what I think, too. We're going to start with Bear on this one.

I'm going to say Newton. Okay. Colby? Isard. Isard? Isard. Isard. Izard.

Isard? The correct answer is Izard. Can we pause right there and just acknowledge that there are probably far more words than you would think that rhyme with Izard? Like, Gizzard. Gizzard, lizard, wizard. One night we played a school called Izard County. Yeah, it was right by Dr. Blevins. And we were talking about they really missed it by not naming their mascot, the lizards.

The lizards. And I was like, or the gizzards. Even the turkey gizzards. It's incredible. So many names came up of optional mascots. Very good. You guys did Explan on that one. Oh, look at me, rocking and rolling today.

Question number three. Maybe we could have a few more questions relevant to the actual content. Go ahead, Josh. Question number three. According to Dr. Blevins, what is the meaning of peculiar grammatical features? What is the meaning of that term? I can't even say that. Peculiar grammatical features.

Oh, I remember. What does that mean just in general? Hold on. Don't show everybody. I mean talking about it. Okay, we're going to start with Colby. Boom. Big question mark.

Clay says bad grammar. Misty says bad grammar. What Gary Newcomb would have called? Bad language. Bad language. Bad grammar. The correct answer is bad grammar. I feel like however you start on,

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Follow now on Apple, Iheart, YouTube, or wherever. you get your podcasts. Colby, what stood out to you in the podcast? Was anything, what, what, uh... Since you're really bombing out here. Yeah, really, I'm bombing. You know, I, uh, that aspect of, of it disappearing, like the different dialects, I was just thinking, I saw something the other day where there was a mom in England,

and her kids have been watching, like, Miss Rachel, the, like, popular kids, you know, thing on, on, uh, YouTube. And, uh, her kid has an English. accent, you know, like an American accent. She's like, we're in England, and she sounds like an American. What's the deal? And so I was, like, thinking about those types of extremes. And then I thought I was pretty country, like, until I heard some of the stuff that he was saying.

I was like, I've heard it, but it didn't, like, sit in. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Carry on. Question number four. What word did Dr. Blevins' grandparents use for a bag or sack? I'd never heard this one. Did you heard it, Mo?

Yes, sir. For real? Yeah, when I was growing up. Really? Yeah, I'd never heard it before. I don't know how to spell it. We're going to start with the soon to be Dr. Clay Newcomb. Polk.

Poke. Pock, Misty? Poke with a long ago. Polk. That's pokey, like what you eat in Hawaii. I'm just kidding. Mo. I think we all got it.

Go get those little pigs out of the pen and we're going to put them in a poke and carry them over in the other pen. All right. Polke. Poke. And Coles. And Coles. B'allie writes the French version. Yeah, I'm fancy.

Oh, yeah. The correct answer is poke. Excellent. A poke. Yeah, I'd never heard that one either. Yeah, I'd never heard. I had heard it, but I don't think I knew what it meant. Like, I'd heard someone say, put that in a poke.

And I was like, I don't know if that is. I think my wife's grandmother used to say that. Yeah. My grandpa used to say it. I want to say, I think we've used it whenever we're shooting. It's like going to give it a poke, but different context. different poke Okay, this is something we've talked about already

But I'll give you credit for it if you know Name one of the two words that Dr. Blevins references From the 1996 movie Slingblade starring Billy Bob Thornton There were two words that he mentioned from that Mo, I'm going to ask you as soon as we get this one What you thought, what stood out to you most And if there's any peculiar words that you would add it to Dr. but let's go ahead and do this one okay all right we're gonna start the bear again how about we all

just do it stop stop yep stop stop stop stop stop anybody remember the other one that he said i couldn't remember when he calls when he picks up and calls 911 he says to send a hearst send a a hearst a hearse yeah what's it supposed to be it's a hearse it's a hearse is a is a type of vehicle what we primarily use for funerals now to carry a casket. Is it Hirsch or Hirsch? They used to be used to be used for ambulances and it's H-E-A-R-S-E-H-S-E. That's the actual word? That's the actual word.

I always heard it called Hirsch. Hirsch? I thought it was Hurst. He says Hearst and that's one of the things that he mentioned that in the South Island. If you would ask me how to spell that, I would have spelled it. With a T-R-S-T. I would just spell H-E-R-N-T.

Yeah, that's what I've always heard. H-E-A. A-R-S-E is the correct. I'd be so, I'd like to hear from somebody up somewhere else that, that's not what they would call it. A hearse? A hearse. I feel like in the spelling bee, we were asked to spell Hearst.

Maybe in like the Hatfield Spelling Bee. Let's ask the Google. Hey, you're talking to Mattfield Spelling Bee champ. Don't even knock it. All right, Mo, does anything your grandparents said that you can remember that was H-E-R-S-E, according to the Almighty Wikipedia, the word is H-E-A-R-S-E.

H-E-R-S. I don't know really about any particular word, but there's a lot of words that I probably say that I learned from them. Like learned. Learned.

Yeah, I was just like learned. You know, I mean, it's just the way, I know a lot of words that had T's on the end of them that don't have T's on the end of them. Yeah. Mo, did your family say, let me learn you? Or did they say, let me teach you?

They didn't learn me nothing. What about cleaning your hands? How would you, if someone said, go take care of your hands, what would they say? Go wash up. Warsh with the W-W-R-S-H. Warsh, yeah, I expected W-R-S-H, warsh. Warsh, yeah, yeah, that would be very common down here. That's how my grandparents did.

See, and that's a way that Gary wouldn't have, we would have been not allowed to say, Loud did not say that would. Warsh. Warsh. But like everybody went to school with said warsh. Warsh. Warsh. Warsh.

One thing, we were talking about, so in the Bear Gris Hall of Fame, one of the original members of the Bear Gris Hall of Fame, ORA Lee Province. Moe introduced me to ORA years and years ago because Ory had killed some big deer. And the way I was introduced to him was, his name was Ory. ori as in the same the same ori even spelled it oaree when he had write it down even though his question number six in hillbilly dial wait a minute what is typically

what is typically done to the name to a name the ends in a that was the next question at any of that we'll just make that for everybody okay everybody would know that well let me tell a story about ory So his name was ORA, and he told me he called Oklahoma, Oklahoma. He did it actually on the podcast.

On that podcast. He called it Oklahoma. And it's just like his name. I mean, it's the same thing that he was using his name for, Oklahoma, Okri, ori. Now, you said you had some ants that had the last name A. Yeah, I mean, I had two ants. One was, they had the same name and we called them both Edny and Edney. Edney, Edney.

Edney, Edney, ain't Edny, ain't Edny, you know, but they were two different ants. And their names were E, D-N-A. Edna. It was Edna, but we call them Aunt Edney. Edney. Edney. Yeah, yeah. You know, that just dawned on me.

My wife's grandmother, her name was OMA, O-M-A. and they always called her Omi Omi Yeah I remember Ory Province Was Oma And what's what she went by was Omi

Yep I heard Ory Province say That he Clom a tree Clum Clum Now that's a pretty good word Yeah

I've heard that one Because Clim Clim I mean there's a difference Between Big difference In Climb up something

Yeah It's a good word I clumb a tree But I'll tell you Where I heard a young man say that was up in central Missouri my

buddy Quentin Rambo is his name young guy like probably like 30 yeah his name's Quentin Rambo and he just in average conversation one time I heard him say something clumb the fence

or clum a tree I can't remember I remember being keyed in and like really clumb Mo what do you call the state Good job, Quentin. What do I call what? What do you call the state that's just north of us?

Missouri. You say Missouri? Missouri. Yeah, I hear a lot of people call it Missouri. Yeah. I would just always call it Missouri. Probably because I got a lot of kinfolk live up where. Missouri.

They get on to me if I don't say it right. Okay. All right. What was the name Dr. Blevins used for a cicada? Mm. Same thing I call them. I'd never heard that before I used to catch them as a kid

All right Dr. Misty Jarbug Jarbug Jarfly Mo so you called him a jarfly Yeah everybody did Nobody knew what a cicada was

Somebody told us They left cicadas out in the yard We said we better run hide Jarfly Now did you ever equate Jarfly Is it the noise jarred your ears No You know

Because that surprised me. Because I would have thought a jarfly meant they caught them and put them in jars. We did that with lightning bugs. That's what we did. Yeah, that's what we did. Would have thought somebody was talking about if I heard it. Yeah. And if you're from up north, you call them, you call them not lightning bugs.

You call them fireflies. Fireflies. That's another word that separates you. Another Yankee. I would have called them fireflies, too. I'd go back and forth. Because I call them lightning bugs, and your dad called them fireflies. and Shepard called Fafis.

Five fives. This kind of stuff comes up in my house all the time because my wife was born up in Montana and then was in South Dakota for a while. And they say, eggs, eggs, eggs. What does she say that you, like, what's an example? Like if you go to the store and you get one of the carts,

what do you call it? Buggy? Yeah, that's what I call it. And she ridicules me. She's like, that's a cart. Oh, she doesn't like calling it. Shopping bug. She also calls a poke, a bag.

A beg. A beg. I've actually had some real fun conversations with her and with others where we just stare at each other and try to figure out what they're saying. I may have missed it, but we was talking about something. It made me think of something then. Dr. Blevins talked about a lot of words that end in and different than actually the rarely spelled, and I don't remember even saying it.

But as I grew up and my whole family, hardly any of us put a G on the end of our words. Right, right. But I don't remember him say anything about. Thinking, running, hunting, fight. Did he say anything about that? No, he didn't. He didn't say anything. He did.

Yeah, he didn't talk about dropping the gene. I don't know if that's peculiar to the Ozark Appalachian. I think that goes for a lot of the South in general. Yeah. I mean, a proper way to say it is running or walking. Right. Running, walking. Yep, walking.

Talking. We're just so efficient. Okay. What word did President Bill Clinton using a purpose of, public speech in 1999 that caused an article to be written about it in Slate magazine. I actually looked up the article. How do you spell it? That's how I spell it.

It was an interesting story because there was a big debate on how it was spelled. Oh, really? Yeah. It's pretty obvious. Okay. I was bum fuzzled. Okay. Bum fuzzled.

So he was talking to Congress, actually, and he was talking about the American people being bum-fuzzled about the surplus of social security being used for other things in the budget. Bum-fuzzled. And the big debate was whether or not it was a dirty word. They were like, is this a profanity that he's using? Or, yeah, bum-fuzzle. Nobody had ever heard it before. No, no one had ever heard it before.

The New York Times originally spelled it, B-U-M-F-U-S-S-L-E-D. Bum-F-Fusseled. Bum-fuzzled. Yeah. That's one of those words that I would not have known that people did not know. I mean, it seems like you should be able to pick up on it by context clues. Yeah. I honestly wouldn't have known that that was like a real word.

I would have thought it was just like some random thing that like you said, like mixing words. Yeah. Yeah, you used to ask me words, Clay, while ago, I just thought of one. My dad used to say, and I really don't know what it actually means. He still to this day. It's not profanity. It's not profanity, but he'd say something about being barn swoggled with something. I've heard that.

Barn swoggled. I've heard that. Barnes swagled. Yeah, I don't know how you would spell it other than the way it sounds. Somebody looked that up. But he would say that about stuff. He'd say, you know, we got barn swogled by that. You think it meant tricked?

That's what I kind of think maybe tricked or overwhelmed. Overwhelmed by something other or something done. Barnswagled. Overwhelmed and trapped is what I think of. Barnswoggle. Is it on that? Is it on that? A verb.

that this is according to urban dictionary. It means... Or is urban at? There's a slight delay here. It says it's a verb that means to be tricked or duped or taken advantage of or cheated. Barnswoggled. That's good.

Barnes swagled. Okay. He used another phrase in there, Al-Swan. My grandma said that at the time. And I've always... What do you say? When he was...

Al-Swan? Al-swong. That's what my grandma always used to say. and he used it on his Adam and Eve thing at the very end. Yeah, when he's talking about the app and all that. Hey, did y'all, did, for those of you, like me and Josh kind of help create this, and sometimes when you're trying to make something funny, it's not nearly as funny as you thought it was.

Did you think me ridicule and all the other dialects was funny? I thought it's kind of mean. I thought it's a mean, horrible. It's a pain on who you was making fun of. I figured Josh heard something when Christy heard it. well so no I thought it was hilarious okay yeah me and Josh thought it was funny

I thought it's funny when you really when you criticize that voice I heard it sounded like Josh Spielmaker on it yeah yeah that's right okay what TV show I just wanted to let America know it was a joke okay yeah like to to understand Bear grease

you have to be a little complex that's right so we were and listen to the render we were we were highlighting that we have this like, like, centric view of the world based upon where we're from and we think it's right. And so clearly that's what I was, that's what I was making fun of. I picked up on it since I got ready to think that I was so enamored with our own dialect, but really there's dialects everywhere else. How about that Christy Spielmaker though? You can't help it if the other dialects just aren't that interesting. That's not my fault.

Well, but they are. There we go again. That was a joke. That was a joke. That was funny. I think my wife has the most neutral accent in history. Like, I'm like, it's nothing. Well, she's from St. Louis. Her way, I grew up in St. Louis. But her mom and dad have southern accent. You know, they're both from, you know, her mom's from rural Oklahoma.

Her dad's from Oklahoma. And, like, all her family has upland South, you know, speech. but she's just very neutral. It's interesting to me. What TV show did Dr. Blevins say gave a good representation of the Upland South dialect? If you don't get this one. TV show?

TV show. Yep. Not movie. Not movie, TV show. You know it. Oh, okay. I'm forgetting the name of the show. No, you're not.

You don't know the show if you're forgetting the name of it. Clayton needs to miss one anyway. I mean, Oh, you actually are for me in the name of the show. What did he write down first? He wrote Mayberry. I got it. All right, everybody's show it once.

Andy Griffith. Andy Griffith. What a good show. I wish I could whistle. That show. That show was, yeah. That was my mom's, I mean, we watched that every night. Aunt Bay.

Otis. Ain't Bay. Ain't B. Yep. And then last question. Last question. What is an art. Archaic

intensifying prefix. Whoa. This was mentioned. Think about that. Archaic intensifying prefix. Did you see? I did see, but I've...

You might have got it? I might have gotten it without it, but I can't, I didn't honestly say that. Archaic intensifying prefix. Mm-hmm. I ain't got a hankering. All right.

You got it, almost. Okay. Right. Hank or new. Almost. It's when you add an A to an action verb. A hunting. A going.

Wow. We have Mo Shepard's compliments on my drawing this week. This was a contribution with Mo. I put a fishing pole on me. What are you going to call this one? Clay Newcomb is the winner of that question. He's the winner of that question. But I think, if you'll notice my score at the top, I think this week.

You probably beat me. That's a good score. For the first time ever, one trivia. Bears got eight. We has five, six. I had seven. Misty and Bear are our winners this week. I've never won't before.

Good job, guys. Good job. Let's go. Well, we, I hope everybody has a great Christmas. And there'll be some more, there'll be another bearerese episode that comes out before Christmas. There will be a bearerese episode on Christmas, on Christmas Day. Oh, wow. A Christmas miracle.

Christmas, what's that? I said a Christmas miracle. A Christmas miracle episode, that's going to be... Listen to it before you open your presents. Please. Yeah, it'll be interesting. It's kind of a look back, if you will. It should be good.

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