Bear Grease - Ep. 304: Render - Bear Grease Hall of Fame Induction

Episode Date: March 12, 2025

On this Bear Grease Render, host Clay Newcomb is joined by the "OG" Render crew: Bear Newcomb, Brent Reaves, Misty Newcomb, Gary Newcomb, and Josh "Landbridge" Spielmaker. After sitting idle for a spell, the Bear Grease Hall of Fame is back. Clay discusses the attributes of what it takes to make it in the Hall of Fame, and two new members are inducted with a surprise third in a momentous ceremony complete with parliamentary procedure. The Crew also talks about their favorite stories from the Turkey Stories episode. If you have comments on the show, send us a note to [e-mail] Connect with Clay and MeatEater Clay on Instagram MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, and Youtube Clips MeatEater Podcast Network on YouTube Shop Bear Grease MerchSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Welcome to the Bear-Greece render that we have. We've talked about this render for a long time. We actually got much of the original crew here. The Bear Gris Render's been going on now for over three years. And, you know, we always have different people that are coming in.

and I don't know, sometimes people come and go, but there's kind of some OGs, and Gary Newcom would be one of them. Bears is a new G. Yep. Josh is an OG. Brent's an original OG. Misty's an original OG.

And so... Doesn't the O and OG stand for original? Yeah. Do you know what OG stands for? Original gangster. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're a new NG. A NG.

A NG. original, original gangster. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right.

It's like exponentially. You're an original G. This is what I should have said. So. But there's, there's, we've got, we've got a, we've got to, let me just start off with the, with the agenda. We're going to, we're going to, we've got a big agenda today. Oh, okay. And the, the biggest thing that we're going to do today is it's been over two years since we've done an induction into the Bear

Bar-Greece Hall of Fame. Oh. And if, and if anybody. had forgotten about the Bear Greas Hall of Fame or thought that it didn't exist anymore it does exist shame on you

and and we're going to discuss that in detail and we're going to discuss kind of some of like the parliamentary rules around induction into the Bear Greece Hall of Fame and how that works

and we're actually going to induct and you guys will have the opportunity to vote on whether you think they should be in or not. Oh. Is it have to be unanimous or does it, is it majority? Majority. Oh, okay. Are you the majority?

Man, I was in a parliamentary procedure team in FFA in high school. You know how this works? You ever had a dictator as the parliamentary procedure? No, I'll tell you what I did. I had a, we had a guy that couldn't hear very well. he misunderstood what the topic was. Anytime you go to these contests, we were over at UAM, and it's every FHA, I mean, I'm sorry,

FFA school, you know, compete against the other schools. And you don't know what the topic is. And there's a president, a vice president, a secretary of treasurer, and maybe a sergeant-arms, I can't remember. But we were stationed at different podiums around the cafeteria or the room wherever we were having this contest. You just draw a topic out,

which is all ag-related. Ag-related. Everything, you know. So the vice president, I think, is who it was, pulled it out. I'm not going to say his name because he listens, but you know who you are. He pulled, he was nervous. Bill Durham.

He pulled it out and looked at it. And the word was agronomy, which is, you know, growing plants, growing crops. And he said, our subject for today is astrology. And I'm looking, I'm looking at it. Everybody's looking around. No one studied for this. You've got to be kidding me.

Somebody's got to start it off. And a friend of mine says, point of order. So I make a, he says, I don't think corn will grow with the moon. And it kind of went downhill from there. So point being, you should really pay attention as we go through parliamentary procedure inside of induction of the Baragreys Hall Faye. That's funny. That is really funny. We also, I think it would be a good time as well to just tell somebody that's listening.

You know, the Bear Grays feed has a lot of stuff on it. It's got Brent's podcast, This Country Life. So if you ever came to the feed, you. you might see this country life and hear Brent and you'd hear that. You might catch it on a week where there is a Bear Grish render, which is this episode, which is where we have kind of a roundtable discussion that's primarily geared towards our other podcasts. So there's three different podcasts essentially on this channel. And the Bear Grease podcast, which is a documentary style podcast about rural America, history, hunting.

Yep. Where you will not hear Josh Landbridge spillmaker on there. That's right. You were on there once, maybe. So the, this is that. So we're going to talk about a little bit about the Turkey Stories episode that just came out, which I said, I made a bold claim that I stand by that I believe one of the stories on there was arguably the best Turkey Story ever told. for any reasons.

So we're going to talk about that. But we've also got a few other things to talk about, one of which I wanted to show y'all. See this belt buckle, Brent? I do. Look at that bad boy. A little raccoon playing a banjo. Man, I don't know how, you know, there's people that are upset about the internet

kind of knowing what you do and what you like and they give ads to you. I mean, I don't know. There's probably some type of invasion. Asian privacy that I wouldn't be happy with and I'm not. But man, when they start feeding me stuff like this, I'm like, let's go. What else you need to know about me? Full speed. And so I ordered this and Misty thought that it was a scam.

She was like, there's no way that that's a real belt buckle. And I actually paid an extra $8 to get this shipped, this expedited. So I was hoping to wear it to the Black Bear Bonanza. well I paid an extra $8 and it never came and Misty was like once again yeah she thought it was a scam

and uh am I right a little bit a little bit and Bear what did you think no you were like ah it's probably okay well after a little while I thought it was a scam yeah I think that the the timing of it was what made it so scam worthy

so it shows I pay extra $8 to get it like by Friday, and it comes in on like Tuesday. And it's a real belt buckle. It's a little small. It's like half the size I thought it would be. That's all. But it's an incredible idea.

A raccoon playing the band-jew. Yeah, tell the listeners what it. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's a nice silver belt buckle with a raccoon playing a banjo in the center of it. Yeah, that's good. Like, what do you call those, like a cameo? Yeah. Yeah.

What's funny is we were coon hunting. Me, Randall Whitmore, Brad Clark, and Wade Whitmore were coon hunting when you sent me that picture. And I said, y'all check this out. 30 minutes later, Wade says, hey, just so you all know, I got four of those bell buckles ordered right now. I'm like, you kidding. Are you serious?

Yeah, I had got it yet. Well, he may got scammed. But he said, I got four of those ordered. I'm like, where in the world did you find that? Oh, buddy. And then as soon as you order. order one of those guys? Do you know what was next on the list? The next one, they make one like this with a beaver on it.

A beaver playing. He's playing a mandolin or something, you know. I was like, oh. Goodbye that for Steve Ronella. So that's my belt buckle. I think that we should also maybe tell people why you entered to applause today. I think the listener might be a little bit confusing. Yeah, I think the listener might not understand.

They might think we're somewhere. different. But we're in the same location. We're in the same location. There's an extra like four or five hundred people here watching. We're at the global headquarters, but this is a Hall of Fame induction episode.

And Josh found out how to make fun sound effects directly before the podcast. This is a Hall of Fame induction. Loose lips sink of ships. Yeah. That's all I got to say. So the other thing I wanted to tell you guys is that you may have seen,

you may have, Josh has seen red with his own eyes. Yep. Bear has ridden red. Beautiful mule. Misty has seen red. And refers to him as Hank. Many people would have,

for about a month, I was riding a mule that we called red. Really, really nice mule. 15-2, big strong feet, 10 years old, just like a top-notch mule.

And sold red this week. kind of in the mule. Somebody got a good mule. I was able to go on a hog hunt while you were riding that meal. Yeah. And that thing's a machine. Yeah, yeah, I really like red. I like red.

You don't tell the rest of the story? Which part is that? That he wound up like three miles from my house. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's pretty crazy. Randomly, completely randomly, the guy that bought it ended up is like Brent's neighbor. Really?

But it wasn't. That's funny. It wasn't like Brent had anything to do with it. Do you know him? Yeah. Great guy. Oh, absolutely. Great guy, great mule.

Sounds like a good combo. You know, and I think the way that Clay described that mule is probably how we should start describing our children. About 15 years old, so many hands, two big strong feet. Yeah. I think that's a good way to describe. Bear has great feet. How many hands are you, Bear? Yeah, how many hands are you, Bear?

No clue. He's probably about 17 hands, do you think? More than that To the withers? More than that. To the withers? Yeah. That's where you measure them to.

So, but let's go ahead and, is there anything else I'm supposed to talk about? I don't think you've talked about anything yet. Right. What about the Turkey Stories episode? Barrett, what was your favorite story? And you can exempt Med's story. Thank you.

Yeah, because that was a good story, but that was a really good story. about this coffee that Misty just spilled all over her lake. Oh, shucks. It's all right. I'll be okay. It's okay. Sorry.

I thought Lake Pickle's story was just absolutely wild. Really? Yeah. Seeing the two dead turkeys. Yeah. And then, I mean, like, I can't think of a time where I've ever come across a dead turkey. Yeah. And then, like, you see two, and then he goes over there.

And, you know, a lot of turkeys comes in, he said, which that in itself was pretty wild. I mean, just like the number of turkeys. Right. And then, you know, it turned out that was their roost, which is why they were seeing them in that little power line strip. Yeah. And then the turkey flies and gets zapped by a power line, and they take it back and mount it.

It was just wild. But it did, whenever I was in North Carolina in January at a, we were hunting with falcons or hawks. But they had, there were multiple people there that had hawks that would fly up onto the power line, like, transformers, and they would just, like, melt. Disintegrate. Really?

And so, yeah, and so, like, you just think about how many wild birds that we don't really... But you see birds on the power lines all the time. What's the difference? I know the transformers, like, the part that's, like, on the actual poles, what the falconers were talking about. Interesting. But I don't know about that one.

Well, and it's... And it wasn't old Mexico, so it's possible the electrical system is different. Yeah, yeah, it could have just been like a hot wire or something. Well, I mean, it is south of the U.S. border. Well, it would take one of them if every one of them that flies into it dies, the word will never get back to the rest of them. Somebody needs to live through it. Like, dude, I flew into that wire, knock one of my spurs off.

Let me tell you, be careful, fly under her over. Haven't been able to sleep since. Yeah. What I mean by. it's different. It could be. It's like maybe the big power lines that you see. Like if you do.

Transmission lines. Well, you still got to be touching the ground. Yeah, I don't know how it works. We need to have an electric. That's why I'm saying it could have been different. It's not like it's electricity is different.

We'll get our old friend Josh Barger on here to explain it to us. Tell it to us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the, the idea, like having that many turkeys around.

that they sat there until dark and couldn't get a shot at one because they were going to shoot other turkeys. Yeah, that's cool. It's like unimaginable to me. I can't even come in from a man who was born into like the worst time in the last 50 years to turkey hunt in this state, bears like, he's like, if he sees one turkey a year, he's happy, and then he hears about this.

You need to go to Mexico. Do you remember when we were in Folsom, New Mexico and we're driving through town. Yeah. And it was just overrun with turkeys. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I bet I could have counted 150 turkeys.

Spot burner. There's a mailman down there right now like, Josh, shut up. Oh, awesome. Yeah, over-the-counter tags, too. I don't know. I'm kidding. I think you have to apply, get points for years and years. I think they were real grand turkeys.

We have a new job. A lot of companies in the outdoor industry try to help people get tags and stuff. We're going to try to confuse. people. Yeah, yeah. If you get a New Mexico tag, yeah, you got to apply and have points for years. Watch out for that electricity down there. It's different.

Yeah, if you walk under power poles down there, it'll get you. Dad, which story stood out to you? You know, I was just shocked. Every one of them was just a 10, you know. And if I just had to pick one, I think the one bear was probably the best. But I like the preacher boy from Mississippi. I like the way he talked. Yeah, yeah.

He is funny. Robin Risher. You know, if you got a collar on and a diaper and you're sitting in the azaleas, don't come up on a country boy. I mean, wait until somebody, a city slicker comes up because these country boys, they can pump one in their shotgun real quick. A dino, when old trusty, rusty and swallowed that three and a half inch, dino, wapping, turkey, thumping, whatever he said.

He was a real storyteller. I mean, he was, he added a lot of stuff that you didn't have to add to it. You know, he was a comedian. Yeah, yeah. Well, okay, so there's a bigger story behind Robin Risher. So I've never met the guys from the Hayden, Alabama podcast, but I love them. They're hard not to love. They have a really neat podcast.

And it feels like it was just some guys in a little community in Alabama that kind of recognize some of the same things. We've recognized that there's a lot of people with great stories. just in the community that aren't making national headlines that are just fun stories. So they started this podcast. Well, they brought on Robin Risher, who's this pastor in Mississippi, and he had a viral video telling that story. And he probably told it, there was a component of it that's better when you see him tell the story. Yeah. Because Robin is, it's hilarious to watch him see it.

And if you go online and ask for, I don't know what you'd search to five. U-G-L-Y. Yeah, you-Robin. Robin Risher, U-G-L-Y. And anyway, Robin Risher, they, they, he loves this. So I'm not making fun of him, but they joke about how he never blinks. He just stared at the camera the whole time and he tells this story. I mean, going like a long time without blinking.

And anyway, he's kind of become like this guy that people know. And so we got him on the podcast and he told that story to us. But he's a really great guy. One of the kindest, just most genuine. You used the term precious. He's just a sweet guy and a fun guy to be around. Yeah. I wish he could come to something like, you know, be on a render, be fun.

We learned an interesting fact, you know, speaking of Med Palmer's story. When we were talking to him, he said, you know, Somebody you need to talk to is Med Palmer. I said, we actually have a story from Ed Palmer about him losing his son and his last turkey. He said, well, I preach Med Palmer's son's funeral. Is that? Yeah. Isn't that something?

Yeah. Mr. Richard, dude. Yep. Yeah. Brother Robin, they call him. Brother Robin. Brother Robin. Yeah.

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for beginning callers who just want to start making good turkey noises and getting action. Josh, which one stood out to you? And we're kind of leaving Med's story. Yeah. Man, they're all good. I don't want to piggyback, but I loved

that story that David I forgot I was last time. Hoffman. David Huffman told about, with his Native American guide saying, Let the Creek accept you. And two of the guys did it, and two of the guys didn't. And sure enough, yep. I mean, it just played out.

It's amazing how when you have so much awareness of an environment like that, I do some guiding down here at the river, and I've got a couple of guys that kind of have taken me under their wing guides. one of the guys I go with regularly, he's a fourth generation guide down there. And it's like when he tells you something, you listen because you could write it in a book and use it as a guiding Bible because you just know. You have this, it's almost like a sixth sense. And just listening to him tell that story and how it played out of, I mean, just step by step

how the guy told him and those other guys just thought they knew better. Yeah. And they didn't. So, and then the next day, same thing. It played out exactly like the guide told them. So I loved that story. Mm-hmm. You liked the story where the guide was right.

Where the guide was right. Always listen to your guide, folks. Did you like how, let's talk about the semantics when I said, did you think it was okay that I said, I'm not an animist? Yes. Did you understand that? Yeah, an animist means like you have a, Bair didn't understand.

Didn't understand. Did you hear that, though? I said that. Yeah. Because, I mean, there's a, it's a, it's a,

it's a, it's a, theological, like, I don't want to use the term religious, because it's not, I don't really even like that word,

but, you know, like many indigenous cultures of the world believe that they're animists. They believe that, spirituality of nature. Like, like a tree would be alive

and like a, like a spirit being. And so, and I wasn't trying to put doctrine into this guy's mouth, but the idea that the creek could accept you is actually something that I wouldn't, that I would kind of, uh, doctrinally wouldn't, couldn't completely get behind, but I said, I get what they're saying. Yeah. Like anybody that's, that's a woodsman has had a, a hunt or, or, or maybe often. I mean, it's not even that unusual where you're in the

woods and you feel like you're a part of the system you're not just a visitor there yeah and uh and it it's it was great advice you know so anyway yeah i like that because it it made you pause and be more aware of what was going on around you you see it's singularly focused on something and you miss other things yeah cotton mouse and creeks are one of them i remember going into a place early before daylight, way before daylight, longer than I should have been there. Shined a light over in a creek,

and there's a cotton mouth laying over there in the show. Turn my light off. I'm waiting, waiting, waiting, wait, and waiting. I'm bored. You know, it's still 30 minutes for daylight. What am I going to do now? I'll see what that cotton mouse doing.

I shine over there and he ain't there. No, he's gone. I shined down on my feet, and there he is down there. I took time to be aware of what was going around. you know and you learn those hard things. So regardless of what they thought, it is a good idea to get in there and get set and just be aware of everything that's going around.

So there's validity and a lot of things like that. Absolutely. And the older I get, the more I am on a mission to understand the things that are not trackable by the physics of this planet. And Western culture has taken, And Western culture, by Western culture, I guess what I'm specifically saying is that knowledge, rational thinking, using your intellect to guide yourself on this planet has been wonderful for us. We have cars and we understand electricity and physics. And we've been very successful as a species in terms of biologically reproducing and being successful.

with that also took away from this what I would just call just raw spirituality. And I am 1,000 percent convinced that there are things going on that are not able to be picked up by those laws. And that's what a lot of people used to would have relied on a whole lot more than in the past. and it's not being spooky or weird, it's just like, yeah, there's stuff that happens that is not on the radar of physics, period, the metaphysical. So that guy, that guy may have tapped into a little bit of it.

Yep, for sure. Hey, I called in a flock of turkeys downhill with one goblin years ago. You probably remember me telling the story. I mean, it was pretty phenomenal. I'm not a great turkey hunter. And you can't call a turkey downhill, you know, in theory. Right. That's the doctrine.

And, I mean, I'm sitting down here in this low spot, and there's a big hill right there. And there's not a lot of trees. And this whole flock, probably there was 15 birds, you know, 12. And here they come, man. I'm going, what? And they pull up right in front of me at about 15 yards. And I got my gun up, and I'm thinking, I can't shoot that gobbler. I'll kill a hen or two.

You remember, did I kill that gobbl? I don't remember. Okay, okay. Well, anyway, I eventually killed a gobbler. I don't know if it was that bunch. Well, in that same area. Yeah, in that same area. I don't know if it was that one or not.

But did you quiet down and become one with the creek? Absolutely. I like to go, mm-hmm. Do a little chance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember one of your stories. They think it's a bumblebee. That's what the turkey did and it hit the,

power line. I remember one of your stories where you called, you just were cold calling in the afternoon and called quite a bit and fell asleep and then woke up to two goblers, right on top of you. Yeah. In fact, that was in the afternoon, a Sunday afternoon. I went out. He called in that flock.

I mean, I don't mess around with just one bird. call them all in and then the best probably the best story and I don't have many stories because like I say I'm just average turkey I'm in but that one I've told it on this probably before

bird in a tree goblin and you know I'm sitting there going hmm daylight comes he drops out I got my gun right here and I'm thinking where did bird go and he's right here man I mean he's he's like I could have

grabbed him by the neck like three feet from you. Yeah, yeah, right there. So he flew down and then... Yeah, and I was in Buck Brush about this tall, and he just worked his way through that. It was just about like me and Bear. And I looked over, and then he walked right in front of my gun. I'm not going to tell you the rest of the story. The turkey lives.

Turkey flew off. I shocked, but I don't know. Up close, I did a lot of studying on that, how you can miss a burq. at three feet. That's pretty easy. So I hear. Yeah. Oh, man.

That's good. Brent, which story stood out to you? Well, I mean, the elephant in the room, I'll leave for Misty. Thanks.

But I like the guy that had to come to Jesus meeting with Mark Slade. Yeah. It was a Slade? Sledge. Sledge. Sledge.

Mark Sledge. He finally owned up to it, you know, and maybe who knows where the guy went after that. But that's a, you know, that's a, that's a hard lesson for a grown up, for a kid, but for a grown up to admit, you know,

you got me. And then to, you know, it went about it. It said something about, you know, it says something about character and not in a good way. If you have,

if you have your wife call and say, hey, can I have that turkey call back? Yeah. That was kind of puzzling. It was very much so. So I think it was a good lesson in what not to do, and maybe, this maybe it turned out. Maybe the guy had a realization of this may have not have been the best way to do that.

Because number one, Mark was very forgiven. He didn't involve the sheriff's office, the gay warden. Yeah, yeah. All he wanted the guy to do was fess up, hey, it was me, my bad. I made a, like me being late today. I walked in the door, I throwed my hat in here, make sure he didn't get thrown back. out to make sure I could come back because I can come in. So there's a lot of lessons there that you could take from that.

And not only from the guy doing wrong, but for Mark being very forgiven of the whole situation and just wanting the guy to fess up. Yeah. Well, the hook of that story is that, and we didn't want to bring it out until the render, but that man was Josh. John Smith.

Christy called back. Christy called. Mark to try to get to call that. No, I thought it was, I thought it was pretty unusually. He didn't call it a game warden. Yeah. Because. I kept waiting, you know, and you said at the end, if you were waiting for, I was, I was

waiting, you know, the game wardens on his way. Yeah, I thought, I thought that. Did you think that was unusually? He didn't call a game warden. I mean, he caught this guy, red-handed. I didn't think much about it. You know, it'd be his word against yours, really, once you got back to the truck. I mean, the guy could have lied his way out of it.

I don't know. what did you think bear you didn't you know i thought of you i thought i was impressed with the way he dealt with it yeah what he said you're sitting there guys three feet from and you go hello the guy jumps out of his skin and then he goes i believe you uh i love what he said he said isn't it amazing how a good day could go do a bad day like that it's kind of like Clint clean eastwood you just made my day brother i wonder why he left just turkey vest at the fence. Maybe he didn't want to get it hung up, crawling through it.

Well, he wanted to find out how to get out possibly. You know, the woods might have all looked the same. And, you know, you turn around and you look and you go, okay, I'm going to walk back to this big tree. Well, he just, and he didn't want his turkey vest. You know, I think it might have been. He was a criminal. You don't, you know, you put your mask on.

He could have been making racket, you know, he's just trying to slip in there and slip out with that. I wonder if it had something to do with a barbed wire fence. He was streamlined. Like if you had a big fence on, I mean a big, big turkey vest on. Yeah. I remember Hunter, my son Hunter and I were crawling into a turkey in Missouri. And we were trying to slip down this hill.

The turkey was behind the big clay root. And I dropped my vest. He took his off. He was just a little kid. We crawled down there. We got set up. And the turkey was still behind that clay root. And Hunter said, he's like nine.

And he said, well, it would be nice if we had that decoy. It was in your vest of there right now. We could stick out here. And I'm like, oh. That's a great idea. That is a great idea. Well, you know, if you're on another guy's property and you got an orange vest on, that's not too good. But you can kind of sneak around if you're in camo and not be seen.

But it wasn't orange. It was a turkey vest. Oh, turkey vest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Things will never know. Yeah. Well, I said that I always go every time Andy's on I kind of go on and on about Andy. Everybody has heard that.

So it might be getting old me talking about Andy. But I'll tell you, I've traveled the country trying to find Andy Browns. And they're out there. And there's many that I have not found. Don't get me wrong. And I've talked to many men who were incredible turkey storytellers. but I found that even really good turkey hunters have two or three really great stories. You know, I mean, that are kind of, and the kind of stories that we're looking for are not, are unusual in that we're looking for, you know, some, just something that makes it just a great story.

And honestly, I have one good turkey story. And I'm not a great turkey hunter. I've spent a good part of my life turkey hunting. I've got one good story, the lightning bird. and I tell it all the time. You've told it. Many times. On Bear grease, I think.

Yeah. It is a good story. But here's my point about Andy. It's like that story that he told about the 36 inches of beard and all this. That was like his like P story. A, B, C, D, E, F, H, J, K, L MN O P. Like his A story would, I mean, he just, he just has lots of stories. And he can tell a story that's just about a normal hunt.

And I always try to dissect what he does and you can't replicate it. You can't learn anything from it. The first guy that tries to go tell a story like someone else, you know, kind of becomes kind of inauthentic in a way. But, you know, but Andy, they just, their group of hunters, which Dad and I grew up around, or Dad would have been a peer of Andy. Andy's son is a good friend of mine. They all tell stories like Andy.

Yeah. And they don't do it for show. I mean, it's like really a big part of their camps. And, and I mean, I don't think anybody ever told them they were special until we started recording Andy.

And I knew Scott was always just a great storyteller, his son, and just the, you know, and they all have, Steve Rinella is the one who said, Steve loves,

Andy Brown. And Steve said, Andy Brown sure always knows which direction stuff's coming from. Because in any Andy's story, he's like, we went out to the east of the mountain. And we came back and the bird was coming up

to south leg. And then we turned west. And I mean, you know, just like this. And I know exactly where I feel like, and if Andy's listening to this, he could comment on this. But when I was just a young man

interacting with his, Andy's son, It's getting complicated. I think fair graces are complex enough to handle it. One generation. I noticed that in Scott's stories is that he always, like, wanted to, and we were from the same area, and so he always wanted to orient me to right where he was, like just precisely.

And I think they learned that from one of their uncles, who just knew every crack and crevice of that county. And it kind of was a way to just like communicate they knew the land. Yeah, it adds to the story to someone who's familiar with it. Yeah. Yeah. And being, and using the cardinal directions instead of the exact data when telling it to the general public, it also includes them in that as well.

Yeah. Because they get an idea they can see in their head. They may not know exactly where he's at, but they know if he said I was facing north and I turned around and went, and then I turned and went west. They know he turned to his left and went that way. Yeah.

You just kind of a good story plays like a little movie in your head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think that's what's good about it. When Andy's first started telling me stories, I had to tell him not to give specific locations. Yeah. He'd tell the name of the mountain and the ridge and the road. And I would be like,

hey, I don't think you want to do that. Hey, how'd you find this place? You told me. You can't ever go back there. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, dad used to not like for people to tell him where they were hunting because then in his mind that would be a big area blocked off that like he wouldn't want to go.

He wanted to come by accident. Yeah, yeah. No, I always love Andy's stories. He's always good. He's an unbelievable story telling him. And at some point, we're actually going to have a special episode that's going to come out next week. That's not a turkey story, but we're going to later do another turkey stories this spring. And Andy's got another great little story.

It's about four minutes long. Is it higher up than his peace story? I don't even know what level it is, but it's a good one. It's a good one. Okay. It involves throwing sticks at predators to get them to run away. The little teaser. Oh, man.

Foreshadowing. Yeah, yeah. Misty, what was your favorite story? Well, I know this is going to surprise, y'all. No, I thought that last story was just, that's the one that you were saying was the best turkey hunting story ever, right? That's the, that's how you, as advertised. And I thought it was a good story. I mean, we had a conversation this week about Clay and his grandpa and their relationship.

And one of the questions I asked him was like, and I was trying to get a sense of, because I've been around, I was around your grandpa, and he wasn't just like always talking, you know. I mean, he was, he was very pleasant, but, but Clay has just so many advice, so much advice that he got from his grandpa that he's always sharing with the kids and anything from sorghumalysis and butter to, you know, work ethic and things like that. And I was, I was like, tell me, I wanted to understand the context. And Clay said a lot of the reason he got those stories was because he was with him. He was hunting with him. Like that's where those stories came from. And I just thought about Ned and his son.

Med. Med and his son. And just the gift that it is to be able to share this with your kids and to share that and to share that and have those opportunities. And even after his son dies, you know, he goes back. And it's almost like it kept giving and brought closure and an ability to grieve. because you hear them struggling to even want to go hunting because of what was lost. But then inside there, and to come full circle, you know, the environment they're in is bigger than what you can measure. And see, there's a lot going on.

And he looks down and he sees that shell. That's a pretty incredible story. Yeah. The way he described that turkey in that context, you know, when we talk about turkeys in full strut, like you kind of. see this image of this oil painting, you know, at a National Wild Turkey Federation event of this big gobbler strutting in front of two or three hens with the sun coming down on him. And that's what Medd described it. I could just see it. Yeah. Like, you know, he did a, good job of describing that and how beautiful it was. And then the fact that he said that he got

his spirit back. Yeah. Just kind of brought it full circle. Yeah. You know. And And I said, I said, you know, the way people talk about Med Palmer down in Mississippi is that like he's the best turkey hunters ever lived. Yeah. And, you know, I was kind of tongue and cheek. Obviously, I've never hunted with Medd. And there's a lot of great turkey hunters. But I'm pretty sure he's, he, on a good year, he's involved in calling up 25 or 30 turkeys for people. Oh, easy.

He, he. is a great guy watching 30 turkeys get killed most years he works a lot with wounded veterans and so he takes a lot of wounded veterans hunting and kids turkey hunting yeah it's not uncommon for him to call up 25 to 50 birds for people yeah keith pope went on and on about it he and i were talking though keith's good turkey hunter yeah now lake's going to ride in and say keith ain't near the turkey hunter that he is but but keith just goes like he says man That dude is the real deal. Yeah.

That's a pretty good bona fides for me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I thought it was a strong episode. Yeah. I thought it was a strong episode. Fantastic stories. Yep.

I'm tempted to tell what Janus Pettellis said about it. But I don't want this to be a... I'm getting a lot of feedback on the film and episode thing between me and Janus. So, yeah, I'll just leave that out. Was it positive or negative? It was, I just texted him and I was like, hey, this is, this is such a great episode. And he would, I won't tell you what he said. He loved med story.

He said, he said, as promised, big time delivered. Big time delivered. Last spring, Clay Newcomb and I collaborated with Jason Phelps at Phelps game calls and building each of our own favorite turkey diaphragms called prime cuts. Now, I'm going to tell you, I love mine because it's easy to use. I'm not going to win a turkey calling contest. It's just not going to happen. But when I run this call, I get the sounds that gobblers are looking for.

I have a great turkey hunting track record. If you go listen to real turkeys out in the woods, they're not going to win calling contests, right? That's who I listen to. I can make those sounds on my cut. I also hunt with Phelps's cut, and I hunt with Clay's cut because they're all three great cuts. Check out prime cuts at Felps. Game Calls.com. I think you'll be glad you did,

and you'll find out that the Steve Rinella cut is an easy-to-use cut for beginning callers who just want to start making good turkey noises and getting action. Bear, you got your bow-fishing bow here? Yep, I finished it up. So this is a, Bear made that bow out of Osage.

Yep, this is the bow I showed. The tree. The tree, yep. This is the bow I showed last time with the sturgeon skins. but I put moose leather from Heather Duvill up in Alaska. She sent me that. A.k.a. A.K. Moosey.

Yep. Mm-hmm. And threw a big old muzzly reel on there. And I took it out last night. It shoots really good. I mean, like, you can shoot. I don't know. I shot some really far shots at fish, and it would just, like, fling that arrow out there. And you could actually. So realistically kill a fish from pretty far away. Yeah.

Were you shooting at, carp? Yeah, big carp. Big grass carp. Unfortunately, I didn't get any in the boat. It kind of had a broadhead issue. Broadhead issue. Yeah. Yeah, but that reel comes on and off.

So it's a bow fishing bow. You take the reel off and you can hunt with it. Yep. I appreciate the artwork. Yeah, I got a fishbone. Yeah. The one that didn't get away. Yeah.

I think it is now time to move on to the matter at hand. Are y'all ready? Yeah, hold on. Astrology. Yeah. That's not it. That's not it. That's not it.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure that was the best. I would like for the first time to show this. out of my hand. A plaque. Very nice. That is the Bear Grease Hall of Fame plaque. Very good.

And the names on this board are Holy Collier. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. All right. Thanks for notice and right off hand. Thanks for running the moment.

Okay. So the guy that made this for us, mistook Hulk caller for Holy Collier. Okay. So basically we have a duplicate made. We have a Bear Greas Hall of Fame plaque that will hang in the office. And we started the Bear Greas Hall of Fame about three years ago. As we started doing these deep dives into these characters, some alive, some dead.

And we just, I mean, the Hall of Fame like created itself. You know, it was just because you do some stories that are great, but then some stories, are just, you just are just so good. It's like, we got, we got to have a Hall of Fame about this. And let me, let me, let me do one thing first. We'll pass it around. No, you're good. I can see.

I want to go through the current members of the Bear Grays Hall of Fame. And this is important because I'm going to, I'm going to present for possible induction. Okay. At least two. Oh. Potentially three. We've not, and we don't do this willy-nilly. You know, we've had,

I don't know how many original bear grease episodes, probably 100 plus bear grease episodes. Oh, yeah, pretty close. So the first is Daniel Boone. Daniel Boone is in our Hall of Fame as an American frontiersman, archetype, and backwoodsman. Called himself a backwoodsman. There's so much about Boone.

And that was one of the first historical series we did that really took off. The second guy here, and these are not in any order particularly, but this was just the first couple of introductions, is a man named Warner Glenn from Arizona. He's got to be one of the oldest living, working cowboys in America. Warner's over 90 now. And I communicated with his daughter the other day, and he's been dry ground line hunting this week on mules.

Tough as Tarzan's feet. Yep, exactly. And we did a series on Warner Glenn. and, you know, he's a dry ground line hunter and rancher out in Arizona. Roy Clark, Tennessee Plot Man. Roy Clark is a quintessential southern Appalachian hillbilly bear hunter. If Roy Clark has killed a lot of bears in his group probably as many as anybody alive today. I mean, those guys are bear hunters.

And, Roy, if you remember from the series that I did with them, the iconic moment, and I wish we could have captured it and put it on a shirt or a hat or perhaps the time has been lost. But when Roy Clark was in the fourth grade, his buddy wrote him a Valentine's card. They had to give Valentine's cards to all the people in their class. And his buddy wrote a card that said, we bear hunters, aren't we, Roy? And Roy, when he said that at age 72 on that podcast, like his eyes almost teared up. And he remembered that and it was just this, he was like, we're bear hunters. We're bear hunters.

Roy Clark is a bear hunter. George McJunkin. George McJunkin was a former, former slave that became a, he owned land out. west but he discovered the falsome site the fulsome archaeological site which unlocked the american story to the pleistocene to the stone age before george mcjunkin found those bison bones the smartest people in the world thought that humans had only been in america for about three thousand years george mcjuncan in 1908 found these bones and begged people to come out and look at these bones nobody ever came until the three months after he

died like in the 1920s and finally they were like well i guess we ought to go look at that and they went out there and it was the great at the time the greatest archaeological discovery in american history george mjunkin fulsome places full of turkeys um they're all over the street over the countertags got a ploffer tag taken 20 years frederick gerstocker he is a german guy that came to Arkansas in 1837 and was here for seven years. He wrote a book called Wild Sports, a very formative book that I read years and years ago, had a dog named Bear Grease. And Frederick Gerstocker was essentially involved in market hunting, but was just the

epitome of why people came to the new world during that time for adventure hunting and for market hunting. and he in his time recognized the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the wayfulness of market hunting and actually wrote about it and it was kind of a little bit ahead of his time even though he participated in it to some degree right he came to Arkansas to kill a bison that's why he came here he wanted to kill a bison and he did he killed a woodland bison in in uh in the in the 18 I think the 1840s his dog's name was bear bear bear's Greece. Did I tell you that yet? Okay. So that was the first time I saw the two words bear and Greece together was in his book. So Frederick Gershark. He recorded the death of Erskine.

Yeah. And that was probably, to this day, some people would think that that was one of their favorite episodes, the death of a bear hunter, which was like the third or fourth episode we ever did. And I read, just read part of his book about the death of his friend Erskine. It was really incredible. Orly Province. Man, there's a category, there is a category of people in the Hall of Fame who are unknown, not, not, didn't have some influence on America, they weren't authors, but they just represented a way of life and kind of stood against the trend of the age. And Orly Province is just a classic Ozark, hardworking, logger hillbilly. I mean, I interviewed him when he was 92 years old,

and the month after I interviewed him, he died. He spent his whole life in the logging woods, growing tomatoes, chicken farming, and he killed two big bucks in the 1960s that were scored over 180 inches, two weeks apart and public land way out in Ozarks. And or he was just, he just had a quality about him that I just was like, this guy, I'll never meet another guy quite like this. And Orly Province is in the Hall of Fame.

Holy Collier. Hulk Collier, man. People talk to me about Hulk Collier almost weekly. And we did a series on him. He was, he was enslaved, lived as early part of his life as a slave. slave in Mississippi came out of that and was a market hunter. It was credited with killing over 3,000 bears with dogs in the Mississippi swamps. But the main thing that he did that put him on the map was he guided Teddy Roosevelt on the famous bear hunt that the teddy bear was coined.

Because Hulk Collier lasso to bear that was being bade by dogs, tied it to a tree, went and got the president and said, sir, I have your bear for you to kill. and Roosevelt refused to kill a tied bear and it became this like global phenomena of people writing about it and they created the teddy bear Hulk Collier maybe one of the wild of the stories we've ever told and what was so unique about it too was it was an untold story in a way

Minor Ferris Buchanan wrote an incredible book about Holt and in Matterfares Buchanan is alive today He's a lawyer in Jackson, Mississippi. And he basically just years ago, he'd heard little things about Holt and went and started just doing research. And there was very little written about him. And so he writes this comprehensive book about Holt Cawyer's life.

It's just incredible. I mean, if we could find stories like that, I mean, we'd just do stories like that. The last guy on the board right now is Ticumsa. and Tacomsa was a shawnee war leader, wasn't even a chief, considered by some based upon the impact of his words. We have no recording of what he said, but based upon the way that people responded to him speaking, he's considered by many historians as one of the greatest orators in American history.

We've never heard him. I think that's interesting. it's like it's not it's not what you sound like but it's what the effects of what you say cause people to do what's remembered and uh but to come so he he he he and his brother tinsquatoa tinsquantawa had um tin squintawa was considered a prophet and he believed that he heard that they were not supposed to integrate with with europeans that were coming and they put up the the longest lasting largest resistance to the American expansion of any Native American tribe and tocumsa gathered the largest army that's disputed in some at times but

but to comsa heck of a guy um that's where we're at okay there have been two so to qualify to be in the bear grease hall of fame we have to do a bearer's podcast about you. Number one. I mean, that's kind of the way it goes. It's like I can't be in there. You would be a shoe.

We'd have to do a podcast on me. Misty would be a shoe in. Gary would be a shoe in. Oh, yeah. Brent would be a shoe in. Oh, of course. Bear would be a shoe in. Nope, bear's too young.

Hair's too long. He just started drinking coffee. So, we did a series two years ago. and I want to have a discussion around the man named David Crockett. I never heard of him. And he will be, I want to have a little discussion, and I'm going to give a little pitch,

and I want to hear what y'all say. There's some controversy around Crockett being in the Hall of Fame. My friend Steve Rinella, when he hears Daniel Boone and Davey Crockett in the same sentence compared to each other, he chuckles, and he says, there's no comparison. Boone and Crocket are completely different. And the one reason he says that,

and I kind of, I don't buy it completely, is Rinella, and this would be the only thing that would stand against Crockett. This is probably bad that I'm starting out with the negative. Here's why you shouldn't vote for him.

Well, I don't know if they say that's a good way to say. I just want us to be sure. Crocket was probably a little bit enamored with himself and his fame. A showboat. He, even in his autobiography, when you read it, there was, it's kind of like that became the hegemon later in his life.

Now, he died when he was like 46. Right. 47. I can't remember exactly how old he was when he died. He died in 1836. But he, it kind of gets under your skin just a, just a hair. And he went to a play. And this is what gets Steve Renella.

He went to his own play in New York City and basically kind of took the accolade. There was a play that was put on. And the main character was essentially David Crockett in his lifetime. But they didn't call him David Crockett. They called him Nimrod Wildfire. But clearly the man who was Nimrod Wildfire was Crockett. Crocket had so much global flame. Crocket was like the first big-time American celebrity was a bear hunter.

America, are you listening to me? The first many, not just hunters say this, but like historians say one of the first true global national celebrities was David Crockett. King of the Wild Frontier. That's right. But do you see kind of the self-aggrandizement of just a touch with Crockett? It's there. How long you've been holding that one in your pocket? What's that?

The aggrandizement. I should have said that first. That was great. Thank you. It hit me and he had like a rock. But listen to this. You all ready for this? He died when he was 45.

I think he would have worked through it. I think, I think if we'd have seen a Crockett, Boone lived till he was 84. Crockett lived till he was 45. and he had he came from abject poverty to national fame to potentially even be in the president of the United States they were going to put him as president of the United States and this country boy had no ability to I mean it just takes time for someone to kind of walk through that level of like notoriety and he was kind of enamored with it and so I I want to give him a little bit of sympathy inside of that because, again, that's what Steve would discredit him for and be like, you don't need Crockett in there. And Steve didn't say that, but Steve's not here.

He don't get to vote. And you might not be here once he hears about it. He don't listen to the show. If Steve Redella is listening, please send me an email. Let's see how this goes. but but basically what crockett did is he he became a state representative and he was in political office and he gained national fame and then he ends up dying in the alamo in a war that he probably shouldn't have even been in right and america has made it like he was going down there because he was a patriot and all this i mean he wasn't even an American war. He was a little bit rejected by his own people for his stance on Native American lands.

That was a big part of it. Yeah. And that is also why... Why do you think he would have worked through it? Because he experienced suffering. He experienced a lot of suffering in his life. He lost a wife. And he...

He... Yeah, he... When Andrew Jackson came out with the Indian Removal Act of 1830, it would have been in his favor politically to get behind that. But he chose to make a big stance in saying, no, this is wrong with these people. And I appreciated that. What do y'all think?

What do you think, Brent? I mean, just, any sales pitch? No, I think all the stuff about him being full of himself or whatever is conjecture. You got to look at the facts of what he did, whether he was at the Alamo because he took a wrong turn. in Albuquerque or however he got there. You look at what he stood for, his stance on Native American lands.

I think the positive outweigh the conjecture or the focus that people put on his celebrity. Because a lot of times when you have a detractor, someone's talking bad about somebody. It's out of jealousy, a position of like, you know, he's not superior to me. So I'm going to cast a spirit. versions at him.

Yeah. And so I think you got to look at the, at what he did and what he stood for. And if he stood for what was going on down there in the Alamo and for the Native Americans, that's good enough for me in a time where that was, it wasn't like taking a stand now, you know. I mean, he was doing it when there were, he had no other allies other than the folks that were being persecuted

who had nothing to stand on to begin with. I mean, that was a, when it was. folks got to the alamo down there. I mean, they were peeing in the wind, thinking they were going to win that one. It was not going to come out good, and yet they stayed and fought it out to the last man. And whether or not, we had the big debate on whether he went down swinging or got captured. Yeah. But regardless, he was there. Yeah. So that's a, that's a positive for me. On Blood Trails, the stories don't end when the hunt is over. They just get darker.

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Follow now on Apple, IHeart, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts. Crockett also had a lot of influence on American politics. So imagine world politics like coming out of Europe and there were these aristocratic, highly educated, wealthy people that ran governments across the world. this is simplification, but you could almost put a period after that. Like the aristocracy ran the world. We came over to America, and we kind of like to have this idea that things were different,

but honestly, things were quite a bit the same. I mean, Washington and Franklin and all these guys, they were not just like average guys that were out there shoeed horses and stuff, you know, these guys had money.

Crockett was the first populist, folk, backwards politician that brought something up that's still here today. He was the first guy. They called him the man from the cane, and the cane referring to the great cane thickets that they hunted bear. It was a derogatory term that one of the elites in the Tennessee legislator called him when he was a young politician. He said, how about the gentleman from the cane tell us? Basically it was like, the hillbilly from the sticks. Why don't we let him talk? And Crockett comes back in the next day wearing a big, he's wearing his buckskins,

but a ruffle. Like these guys wore it as a fashion trend to wear those big roughly necklaces. And he came in and made a laughing stock of those guys and spoke very off the cuff, very informal. he spoke like the people spoke. And he became America's first populist, backwoods, politician. And today, that's how people win politics in this country. Not always, but they appeal to the common man.

And they say, I'm one of you. I'm not from the elite, you know. So anyway, Crockett had a ton of influence on the idea of what America was. and so bear anybody else have any thoughts on crock up before we officially nominate him as a as a bear grease hall of famer i mean i think of backwards politician from what from what you described i don't think that i at that time would have been listening to any podcast as a matter of facts i never really listened to that podcast okay from what you described i'd say sorry dad he's in okay

like hereby. He had to listen to the same thing at the as the as the is there anything I should put my my right hand on that saddle

I don't think you should do it this saddle put it on the saddle the bear track the bear track yeah I'm going to place my right hand on the bear track

and I would like to officially nominate David Crockett as inducted into the bear grease Hall of Fame could we have a show of hands for all the people

that would like to you got a second second second the most All right, raise your hand if you would, or let's do an I. I think we should do by voice. This is a podcast. Everybody, everybody that's.

All in favor. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposition say nay. Eyes have it. David Crockett inducted into the barriers. Congratulations, David Boy. Where your hat.

Josh has really got to get these buttons worked out. There we go. There we go. J.K. Oh, okay, okay. Wow, it feels really great. This has been a long time coming. Crockett's in.

Now, will he go in as David Crockett, David Crockett, or Holy Crockett? I don't think you should be holy. I think that's inappropriate. Dodge Crockett. He will go in as David Crockett. Okay. Yeah, David Crockett.

Okay. Moving on. Second order of business. I would like, to consider and I find this very interesting that yesterday

I got this in the mail with no return address I have no idea who sent this but somehow they got the address to the headquarters here and they sent me

this sticker came in the mail yesterday yeah true story don't drop the flag hand me the flag so I can put it I got it

I got it you got it oh How cool is that? That's pretty cool. Pretty cool, huh? That is. Granny Henderson.

Granny Henderson. Ava Barnes Henderson. I think Granny deserves a spot in the Bear Grays Hall of Fame. Granny Henderson was a core character in our Buffalo River series. So Granny Henderson was born in the 1890s, and she died. in the late 1970s. And she was the last person on the Buffalo River. One of the last holdouts on the Buffalo River

when the National Park System came in and acquired the 95,000 acres that now make up the Buffalo National River. We did a series that just was, it was, I'm still torn to this day, because the series clearly was geared towards telling the story of the people that lost land, that land was essentially taken from that. Yeah, they were paid land. They were paid for it.

But Granny, her house is still intact and is in the center of the Buffalo River Wilderness. And people go there. We've been there. And I spoke with Granny's daughter, who was just a delightful lady. who told me stories all about Granny. And, yeah, Jane Kilgore. And Granny was a symbol of resistance. And on the podcast, we called her a martyr

because she died within three months of being moved out of the house that her and her husband built in the early 1900s. She got married when she was real young. They built a house down in the Buffalo River and just this incredible place. And she didn't want to move. And her husband died years and years before. And finally, I mean, Granny was in her 80s.

And all her neighbors were gone. Everybody was gone. And the family just was like, Granny, I think you just need to sell. And she had gotten a lawyer and had tried to litigate it in court to be able to keep her land. that her parents had bought her. And finally they said, Granny, you just need to go. And the park built her a house,

like a mile away on top of the mountain near the county road, built her a new house, gave her a dishwasher and a washing machine. And she went into that house and stayed there one night and said, I can't do it. And she went and stayed with her son. And three months later, she died. and they say she died of a broken heart.

And in the series, what was so cool, and this is something that I'd never heard, but we got this original recording of an interview with Granny. And we got to hear her talk and hear her voice, and it was just really cool. And thoughts on Granny Henderson being in the Bear Grays Hall phone. Man, I'm 100% for it because I think that, I think she, but not only she, but her way of life is iconic to who we are as Americans.

And that icon is fading in the distance. And so I think she is a woman who can represent that way of life in this. And so I'm 100% for it. And we got these great stickers. Yeah. Yeah. Heck yeah. Mm.

I definitely, I would second it. For sure. I mean, I think that Granny, carrying those big old things of water. Yep. Yeah. And her age and hunting Easter eggs. She got bit by Copperhead twice or four times?

At least twice. Yeah. There was like, I think twice. Multiple times. Multiple times. She got bit by Copperhead and never went to the doctor. Fed him to the pigs. Fed him to the pigs.

Fet him to the pigs. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I just think she, I agree with Josh. She is, she's iconic and she deserves it. She deserves it. She deserves it. She represents not just America, but also Bear Greece and kind of the heart of Bear Greece.

Hey, she'll be our first lady on here as well. Oh. We ain't voted yet. Well, if she is. Are we just taking her for consideration now? I'm calling for a vote. I have a man that's called for a vote. We have a second?

I'll second. I'll second. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Misty. Let the record show. The women. The room.

Everyone who would like to talk about astronomy. About parliamentary procedure and I appreciate that. Finally get the chance to do it right. That's right. All right. Everybody who would like to induct Ava Barnes Henderson, also known as Granny Henderson,

also known as Ev to the people on the river I would like all of them What am I supposed to say? All in favor. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposition say nay.

Or you have it. Granny Henderson. Granny Henderson is here. Yay. Yeah, there it is. There we go. There we go. This one's really good in applause.

I don't want it to look like we knew this was going to happen. We took a chance. Just in case you had... Just in case we had made Davy Crockett and Ava Granny Barnes-Henderson's, and it says Buffalo River Martyr. All right.

I like it. What does Davy Crockett say? Tennessee Backwoods. All right. Tennessee's got some pretty good representation on there. Yeah, Tennessee, man. It's a great place. I love Tennessee. And oh, holy, from Mississippi. Do y'all have anybody else that...

What about Osceola? Yeah, I wondered about that. Four-part series on Osceola. Well, what's your pitch? Do you think he should be in the Hall of Fame? I mean, yeah, I think he's kind of like... I think it's similar to, like, Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett would be Tecumse and Osceola.

I think everything that you've talked about for like Davy Crockett his influence on the people kind of like just like rising up I think Osceola is like right there the exact same thing

he just kind of rose up out of the Florida I guess it was just the Everglades or Seminole territory down there and then let a bunch of people I think Osceola checks all the marks that the other people on the Hall of Fame checks.

Like Granny, he was a martyr. Yeah. Carries the unique designation that Bear has listened to his podcast. Yep. Sure not. I want to go on record and saying that,

has anybody noticed, Bear only used to say, yep. And now he makes very valid points. Sometimes he's talking, I'm like, I wish he'd be quiet so I could say. so.

Outstanding. No, it's very good. So, so I'm not saying I disagree. The one question I have

about Osceola is that we don't know a whole lot about him. Like we know we know like

what happened to him but we don't know necessarily what kind of character the man had. We don't know if he was

that's, that's the Josh and I talked about this beforehand. And I don't, well, I actually, what do you think, Brandt? Did you, do you remember much about the Osceola series? Yeah. Yeah. I do.

I do. I remember, you know, my favorite part of that was the lady that was doing research. Right. Yeah. Dr. Wickman. Yeah. She was outstanding. Maybe we should induct Dr. Wickman.

Maybe we should. It would, I would probably have to go back and listen to some of them. But, I mean, not everybody has John Anderson write a song about them. You know what I'm saying? That is definitely a plus. Do you remember much about Osceola, Dad? Not a lot. I think he's worthy of being on there,

but if it came down to my vote, I'd like to listen to those podcasts again. But I think he's worthy. I mean, we're talking about him. Yeah, that's true. Embarrs for him. There's a difference between iconic and famous, you know. Well, okay.

I don't remember anything negative about his character. Well, see, that's kind of just the point. When I did the whole series on Osceola, you come away with a lot of questions about who he actually was as compared to a Tecumse or a Crockett or a Boone. We skipped James Lawrence. You did. Oh, got to get James Lawrence.

Shugs. We've got to talk about James Wood. Yeah, definitely. I don't know how I did that. Osceola, you... you really don't get a great picture of who he was. There's not a lot recorded of what he said. Yeah, exactly.

So there's a lot about what he did, his influence on people. You see little vignettes of kind of maybe an interaction he had with someone, but he's kind of obscure. You don't really, you kind of see a shadow almost. you don't really see him and that's the only reason that I wouldn't have initially just been like he's a shoe in I felt like we knew who

Tecumseh was when we got done with the DeCumse's series because so much of what he said was actually written down and then there were a lot of people that talked about him that interacted with him. Osceola was such a renegade living in the Everglades

that he did have a lot of interaction with Europeans and different things Well, there's a reason why you have an honorable mention. Interesting. Maybe a second smaller plaque. Or on the back. On the side.

Yeah, so it's, if I were, if I would say it's not for any fault of his, but I just don't have, I just couldn't quite put my hands on him. It's tricky to me because by the same metrics, you know, you measure his impact and you measure, to me, I think his perseverance is a measure of character. His decision to stand against the tide and to resist. I mean, I think that is resistance. Resistance. Yeah, that's a big one. That's definitely plus. Yeah, I have respect for that.

And that's resistance against injustice, not just. You aren't convincing me. Not just resistance. And resistance against being bought out. Resistance. I mean, he resisted not just injustice, but also the lure of wealth. I'm sure, you know, he had opportunity to sell out. He had opportunity to sell out his land.

And he didn't. And that says something. And the Seminoles are still down there. I feel swayed now too. All it takes is just a little jabber, jabber. Wow. Bear and I, we're in. I think I can speak for good.

Well, I would like to do something that only a true dictator could do is I'm going to give you Bear the authority to nominate him and then we'll vote. But you'll have to lead it if you really feel like you should do this. Yeah, I think we should, I think we should nominate him. I think it's based on when you went the resistant like, hmm. Let Pairssey speak. Dictators choose when their friends get to see. No coffee, but you can speak. I mean, I think, like, we maybe couldn't fully understand his character or anything,

but I think you could look at, like, the product of his work and the impact that he had and can kind of assume that that didn't come from just, like, you know, that came from some really strong characteristics that are. Yeah. Worth that, you know, could make him worthy of being on the Hall of Fame. I think even though we can't necessarily put our hand on it, I think you could look at the, like, fruit of his life and see that it was, it was correlated with the Hall of Fame.

I think you're right. Traits. And he isn't a John Anderson song. Yep. So along with that, what would his, what would his descriptor be? Resistance. You know, we'd have to think about the words. What was his rank in the Seminole Nation?

He wasn't even the chief. No, he was not a heretical chief. He was just a war leader. Yeah. He just, the way those systems work, it's hard to even understand it. But they just rose based upon merit. I think it should be, if it's approved, it is plain and simple. Osceola, Seminole.

Seminole. And maybe resistance. Leader of Seminole resistance. But to me, what he stood out that like I kind of wanted to grab hold of is that every single thing was telling them that they should give in.

And they could not win this fight. And yet, you know, it ended up being 500 of them that were resisting the entire United States military. It spent $50 million over a 20 year period trying to get these seminals out of Florida.

And they just finally were just like, you know what? Just stay down there. Yeah. So let's put it to a vote. Well, and you can't fault Daniel Boone, or Davy Crockett, for being a guy who wanted accolades and wanted, you know, there's an argument to be made that Osceola, we don't know much about him because he didn't want. He wasn't very old either. Oh, wow. He didn't want much known about him. Oh, that's what I said. I said because he didn't want much known about him.

Yeah, that's true, Misty. And it's almost got to give him. I wish Sterling Hard Joe were here. Yeah, no kidding. He'd convince us all. Yeah, yeah. And again, my initial reluctance was not anything against Osceola. I just didn't quite feel like I know him,

but now y'all have convinced me that I don't really have to know him to qualify here. O'Barre, okay, so I want you to do the official nomination and lead us here. We are officially nominating Osceola, leader of the Seminole Resistance. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Point order. Didn't second in.

We need a second for this. I second. Okay, do it again. All in favor? Wait, I just... Do it again. We have to do it again because we didn't have a second. All in favor say aye.

Aye. All opposed. All opposed say nay. All opposed say aye. Wow. We got him. Real shocker. Yeah.

Osceola. Talk about James Lawrence. Yeah, I don't know how I missed James Lawrence. James Lawrence is my dear friend from... from here in Arkansas. Just to me, he was, he,

one of the first episodes of Bear Greas was about James. And to me, on a real personal level, he just kind of represented just this, Arkansas backwoodsman, never asking for fame, never would have just kind of lived his life without much accolade.

But just, really just loves, just a true American sportsman and a mentor to me and the kind of being Arkansas backwoodsman. The world would be a better place if there were more James Lawrence's out there.

What does it say on the black? It says Arkansas backwoodsman. Now you wouldn't have wanted to have got on James wrong side back in the 70s. Let me just say that. He'd probably knock your teeth out. Yeah. Yeah.

Note to self. Yeah. He told me one time somebody made him mad and he rode his motorcycle down their front yard and whipped him on their front porch. Then definitely Osceola can be in. Hey. Sometimes they just need it. Well, productive meeting. Productive meeting.

Okay. Well, Josh, we got to get another. We got to get one for Osceola. I'll get it. I'll get it. I'll spell it right too Yeah, so this is going to hang in a prominent place Probably probably over here somewhere

But there we have it Looks good. I like it. Looks good. All right, thanks guys for listening. We got a lot done today. We did get a lot done. Yeah, Brent, it's good to see you. Glad you're back.

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