Bear Grease - Ep. 497: Render - Lift Heavy Stuff and Sweat

Episode Date: September 2, 2026

Host Clay Newcomb and Josh “Landbridge” Spielmaker are joined by Dr. Adam McCall and Dr. Jason Lofton in the Bear Grease Studio to continue the discussion on men’s health and tips on what it takes to maximize your longevity. Thank you to our sponsor, Tecovas. If you have comments on the show, send us a note to [e-mail] Connect with Clay and MeatEater Clay on Instagram MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, and Youtube Clips MeatEater Podcast Network on YouTube Shop Bear Grease MerchSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm a cowboy boot man, and I've been wearing Tocobas for years. They're the most comfortable boot I've ever put on. Good boots for good times. So here we are. We've got, we're coming, coming off hot after the latest Bear Grays podcast about men's health. It really was about health in general. We didn't, we didn't qualify it as men's health. But for me, I'd say, I'd say a lot of what we talked about other than like prostate exams.

Yeah. We said we weren't talking about women's health. Well, but I would say the physical activity stuff. Yep. Building strength would be, would as well be. diet would be. Oh, yeah. But I would say it was pretty targeted towards men.

But we're coming off of that podcast. And I've got Dr. Jason Lofton with his first time on the Bear Grease podcast in the official Toccova's hot seat. Yeah, nice. And we also have Dr. Adam McCall, also in the Tocobas hot seat. You're actually wearing a pair of Tocobos. Yeah. Yeah, they're great.

Oh, those are Tocobos too? Yeah, we got these in Tucson, Tocobo store. Oh, really? Back in April and Cindy and I went. Nice. Nice. Oakley got me this shirt for Father's Day. Ticova's shirt.

We didn't know. Look at y'all wearing the same shirt. We got to be Twinkies today. Wow. Too bad we couldn't have linked up. Well, I was going to buy those bibs last night, but my wife said we don't have that kind of money. Yeah. Neither do I.

No. Well, it's good to have both of you here. It's good to be here. It's, uh, so Jason has, I've known you for 20 years plus. Yeah. Probably 20 plus. We met, so I met you walking in the door in 2004 of where I worked, training at the time, which close to where Prism meets now. Yes.

Yeah. So you were landscaping and met you. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

The old hay heck. The old hay heck, Bill. Yep. Yep. Yep. And then hired you to do our landscape and we moved to Dequequequeen. You know, I vaguely remember that. The house that's off of Mayflower there behind Catfish Hole.

Yep. Yep. I remember that now. And that was before we, you know, got involved in the same church network and everything. Yeah. Well, it's good to have you here. Good to be here. And Dr. McCall, it's been, it's, it was fun interviewing you guys.

So Josh interviewed Dr. Lofton, and then I interviewed Dr. McCall. And I, I was, we were just discussing this, but we basically asked you the same questions. And interviewed you both for about, interviewed you both for about an hour. And what you would have heard on the episode would have been less than half of what they actually said. Because we all know that doctors, you know, you could pretty much can talk a lot. Yeah. And just take the meat away from it. No, but it was really interesting here.

And y'all basically said the same things, like hit on the same high points about strength, about cardio. And we were asking you questions about those things. But we'll talk about that. We'll talk about that later. I kind of want to, what we didn't do on the podcast was, like, humanize you guys. Yeah. Because in the business of media, you have to humanize people because are doctors people, Josh? Some of them are.

Some of them are. Some of them are just robots, you know. No, I'm just kidding. These guys are both really interesting guys and big outdoorsmen. Jason, you do everything. I mean, what? I don't do as much as I'd like to because it work. Well, what are your top three hobbies?

So it has been gravel bike riding, and that's, my wife and I started playing pickleball, and we kind of took the new one. I've never heard pickleball before. But then I tore my calf muscle. He tore his calf muscle. He's in the total demographic of these middle-aged guys that get injured playing pickleball. You might be in my stand-up comedy skit. What they call it?

I mean, instead of tennis, oh, it's basically tennis leg. I mean, pickleball leg. Pickle ball. Okay, let's stop on gravel biking. There's more. There's more. I know more of your hobbies, but what's the difference between gravel biking and just mountain biking? So gravel biking generally involves more endurance, like long distance.

There'll be a drop bar bike where mountain bikes usually have flat bar back, flat bar handlebars. And, you know, 20, 30 miles would be an average, just quick ride. And I mean, up here, you'll see people doing, you know, 200 plus sometimes on, there's some riding like gravel dirt roads. So not like a mountain bike trail. No, you're riding gravel roads, which Southwest Arkansas was full of them. I mean, I started from Mina to Wix with Randy and Randy's step, which he's, I think, been on here before.

And shout out to Long-Legged Randy Stepp. So he's my riding partner. Okay. And trying to finish that up from Wix to De Queen. But, yeah, all over Southwest Arkansas. And then I've been up here riding, but big tires, gravel roads, love being outdoors, seeing, you know, I've been chased by a hog. I was down at Pine Creek Bottoms, which is south of Dequeen, and hear a snort and look behind me. And hogs coming after me.

Really? Had to get after, yeah. But, yeah, I love being outdoors, you know, so you don't have to worry about cars as much. So, but, you know, big tires and long distance. Man, every time I see these bikers on paved roads, which is, like, every day, I just, you know, think man these guys are daredevil these people are no doubt sometimes people think stuff that they might see hunters do would be like dangerous yeah i think i think i think riding on pavement stain yeah it's it's just me it's people die doing that unfortunately so okay time you talked

about that we were going down i don't know if you ever been over to like low gap if you're coming down still or coming down um the mountain into low gap we were doing in a race and i'll bet We were doing 65, 70 miles an hour on these tiny 22 millimeter tires. And my buddy, I watched him cheat the curve a little bit. And somehow a car had gotten on the road at this segment. And it cheated the curve a little bit. And I mean, there was an angel wing that was between them. And that's when I quit riding pavement.

Oh, really? I sat up, said, my head, my hands, my kids, they're all more important in this little adrenaline rush that I get going down this hill. Wow. but I do like to send it going downhill. I mean, I've been 42 on a gravel road going downhill. That's my fastest, but I bet that's fast. It's just, yeah, I like the rush. Okay, so a gravel bike and pickleball, which we're going to skip that.

That might just be too high octane for the bear grease listeners. I got second place at Josh's party. Yeah. You're big into smoking meat. You're wearing a meat church barbecue hut. Yep. So you're pretty much. got that dialed.

I like green eggs, smoking on green eggs. You know, Jason has a problem. I do. He's been to green egg events and festivals. That's actually

before Matt Pittman got big, he was in Athens, Texas Egg Fest, and he was set up trying to, I guess, really get his, flavors out.

And I remember seeing him there and he's taking off, yeah. He cooks for Dallas Cowboys. How do you have? I don't want to talk about that many. I've got it.

I'm asking of it. rancher how many cattle he's got, Josh. More than you can fit on one hand, I'll put it that way. Are you serious? Would you use them all at the same time? I used three. I've used three at the same time before. Cooking on, like, say for cooking for a big group,

you know, because some of it's direct, some up's indirect. What are the other ones for? Looks. Good deals. Just in case something catastrophic happens. I'm trying to get some of our property, but we got a bear problem. I don't know how to. I need to build something that would be bearproof so that they wouldn't get to the eggs.

And so I've got some kind of stashed away for that. I just had a vision of you in a cage. Like build like a cage. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to. And then we turn it into a competition though. Okay. Two guys in a cage, in a green egg. With a bear on the outside.

Well, I mean, it would work as, it would keep the bears out, but it would be like a cage, a cage match. Yeah. Yeah. But, okay, so you're really good. barbecue grillers go in, one comes out. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. So you're grilling.

But you're also, you're a hunter? No. Yeah. I like to hunt and fish. I mean, I grew up. My dad mainly fishing, but we go hunting and my kids are starting to get into it. You know, Oakley's wanting to bear hunt this year. We'll see.

Silas too, so I've got to figure out how to get them on the stand at the same time safely. Yeah. But, yeah, I just love to do the outdoors, you know, anything outdoors. I mean, even my workouts. It's like it's prime I own a fitness center, but I work out outdoors most of the time, not in the fitness center. So you own a fitness center in D. Queen. Yeah. You also have a family practice in D. Queen.

In Broken Bow. No. And Broken Bow. Oklahoma. Yep. I split a little, mostly into Queen, but I got. Shout out to Evan Felker. Yeah.

From Broken Bow and D. Queen. Yes. In both of his songs. Yeah. It'd have to change. There's something to have to change in one of his songs now. Do you know what that is? What's that?

And good Lord Lori, we're no longer dry in Severe County. Oh. So he'd have to rewrite the verse if it was written today. Really? Yeah. Wow. Wow. So at some point I'll tell you something funny that my wife said that had to do with the Turnpike Troopers, but it's a little too self-deprecating for me. I knew Oakley had made it when she came to me a while back.

Have you ever heard of the Turnpike Troopator's? Like, yeah, I've been around a while. And so I was like, she's going to be all right, you know? Yep. Okay. Okay, so just to, just hitting the high points here, you're also a father of four. Yep, four teenagers. A peer, I mean, I can't say for sure, but you appear to be a really good father and husband.

I try to be, you know, I mean, I've got some good leaders in my church and, you know, just it's, we spend a lot of time, you know, if I'm not in the clinic or we're spending time together as a family. Yeah. I've got good kids. You know, we have a lot of fun together. Yes. You know. Awesome. Well, yeah.

It was cool to have you have you on the podcast. And Dr. McCall, what are your top three just things you like to do? Well, I'm going to take one of them away and replace it with Be Like Jason Lofton. Yeah, same. I mean, that's a goal at this point. I mean, I am a hunter. I play a little golf in between hunting season. Like as soon as spring turkey's up, I play a little golf.

and then as soon as deer season kicked back in, I don't ever play golf. Really, it's just hanging out with my family, kids. I've got four kids too. You've got four kids, just like Jason. And one of them is a teenager now, and that's been a learning process as it goes. And then I'm going to learn how to tie flies. Okay. Yeah, tonight, actually.

Oh, really? Josh is helping you? Yeah. We got a group going on a trip, and they're all coming over, and we're tying flies. Yeah. I didn't get them right. Yeah. FOMO.

I, you know, I had just thought about it. Yeah. I know I saw the surprise in your eyes when I said that. You're like, oh, gosh, I didn't tell Clay. It's all right. I couldn't have made it anymore. We got men's meeting tonight, church. So you used to bike.

Yep. Yep. I got into road biking a ton. I think we talked about this last time. Yeah. You know, I did beat Lentz Armstrong up a hill once. Oh, really? Uh-huh. Got a little article in Sports Illustrated, because I did beat him up a hill.

We talked about this when he was on the first time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I remember that. Yep, and so I used to bike all the time, and then that happened. And really since starting my own practice and owning a business, that became my hobby. I mean, it's like a, it's taking care of a lot of kids. do you enjoy the business aspect of owning your own on your own medical practice I mean that's a double edge that's a double edge sword yes and no I love that learning new things I love being able to do things differently you know when you're

employed you just it's like if you want to make a change it's like turning a cruise ship you know when you own your own business you want to make a change just just make the change you know it's not a big process so yeah how much of being And let me back up. I'm going to set the context and ask both of you a question. You feel like that someone who's a medical doctor, you know, you just graduate from med school and you just like plug into the medical system.

You help people. You make good money. You and you're just, this is what you would think. Oh, yeah. And it just feels like, well, of course. but is how hard is it to actually have a successful family practice, which is something both of you guys have built from the ground up as I understand it. So the question, I guess, also is how much of it is being a businessman

and how much of it is being a medical doctor that just knows how to deal with people in their ailments? Yeah, no, I mean, I think that you don't know what you don't know until you realize. you don't know it. And I think when you think, man, this is going to be easy, I've asked all the questions, I've prepared for all the things, that's just the surface level. I mean, I spend almost as much time running the business per week is what I do actually being a physician. Yeah. I mean, it's a, it's 80 hours a week and you get paid for 20. So you were trained in the medical field learning about humans, but really you got to be a business manager. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, is that what you signed up for?

No. I tell, so I had a student from Southwest Arkansas, he's sophomore at SAU, shadow me this summer, and I told him he ought to go get a business degree with a minor in Spanish if you're going to go to med school, because we don't get basically zero business experience or knowledge, and it's just learned by fire. And the insurance industry makes it frustrating. It's frustrating for us, as it might as is for the patient and it's getting worse you know we're doing something about yeah I'm trying so but it's it's not that's the so I tell people my wife helps Cindy manages a restaurant called stillwells and the queen it's like you know the transact you buy burger or sandwich and the transaction's done everybody gets

you get fed and they get paid for us well the transaction is not necessarily done when the patient leaves and it might take months to get that they buy the hamburger but then that that person would have to go to the insurance company to get payment for the hamburger. We're using the analogy. Yeah, we're waiting to get paid for that burger, so to speak, sometimes months and months and months because the insurance industry is trying to find out reasons not to pay us. Wow. A lot of times.

It feels, the medical industry feels really stressful to me. Oh, yeah. It's broken. It's broken. It honestly feels like people might just, like, quit. Like, we might just wake up one day and, like, there are no doctors. It's starting to happen. Because it's so hard.

Yeah, it is. True? No, you're seeing, you're seeing doctors just quit. They're going, I'm not doing this anymore. It's not worth the stress. It's not worth the amount of work. And I think there's two sides of that. You know, you can go make money.

If you want to make money, don't be a doctor. Yeah. You know, but I tell students all the time, you know, like, I want to be a doctor. If you can't talk yourself out of doing it and there's nothing else that you could see yourself doing, that's a calling at that point. Yeah. Man, go be a doctor. Yeah. Like the amount of.

of difficulty is worth being able to do what what the what the what the Lord called you to do yeah you know and he gives you strength and in the ability to navigate that but man if you could see yourself do anything else go do that first like it ain't worth it's it's it's hard i mean it's doable but it's hard but again it's it's it's a calling for me i mean it's if it's you're doing it for the money you will burn out it's not you think most people would would say that about their profession and the medical, well, as doctors, that they feel called to it. I think initially, yeah, I think a lot of want to help people. We really do, I think most people are very altruistic and want to help people.

Now, do some get skewed by the money or, you know, jaded? Yeah. I mean, it's the system, like we all want to spend more time with patients, but we can't in the current insurance industry system because it doesn't, that doesn't pay the bill. So you have to see so many to get the bills paid. And that's where patients want to spend more time with doctors. We want to spend more time with patients. But from a business standpoint, it doesn't add up at some point if you slow down too much.

Interesting. But, yeah. So how do you fix that? Man, I think the major issue is going there's no transparency in the medical industry, and especially on the payer side. And so it's how do we reduce the opakness to really, see what goes on so that we can reduce the reduce the over complex system to make it simple. Yeah.

You know, you see me, you pay me for my advice, whether you take that advice, that's on you, but you paid me for it. And that transaction is done, you know, and I agree to take care of you and answer your phone calls and stuff like that. But this whole issue of paying $2,500 a month for your family to, you know, an insurance company, and then you got to pay $10,000 more and you don't know how much stuff costs whenever you get it done, that has to go. Because what it does is it reduces people's confidence to enter the medical system when something's wrong, right? Like we talk about that yesterday.

And so my goal or the next, however long it takes, is to reduce the complexity and introduce just the simpleness of it. Because, I mean, there's so much beauty in a relationship with a patient and a physician that when they know each other, man, you can change the world with that. At least not you can change somebody's health, which, man, it's a big deal. Yep. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. Well, I commend you guys for just the service of what you do.

So, I mean, there's plenty of occupations that people are providing. like a real service to people. I think about teachers. I think about first responders. But really, doctors, I mean, fit into that. You give up a lot of your life to get to just a square one of where you start being a doctor and working. I mean, it's 11. How old are you when you became a medical doctor and started, I mean, just graduated school, I guess?

So I graduated residency in 2007. So I was 31. I turned 31 in September. We graduated in June of that year. basically 31 years old. Were you going to school that whole time or did you have a couple of... I had one gap. Starts. So between I graduated University of Arkansas in 99 and took a gap year, I was on staff with the campus ministry for a year and then started med school.

And it took that long. So it's four years of med school, three years of residency and four years. So it's 11 years total just to become a family physician right now. Wow. That's a long time. How old were you? 29. So it takes that long. Yeah.

And you know, but stuff like example, I was studying in little. Rock one Saturday night and George Strait was at War Memorial Stadium in a concert and I couldn't go to it because I had a test and I mean you just have to now hey there's some guys out there that they could have gone on the concert and still made an A I was one of those guys I had to bust it and gave up a lot what if it had been the turnpike troubadors have been tough you know I mean you know maybe I could have studied you know I went to school and I said I'm going to give up god or exercise and that night I didn't and those are two things that I stayed committed to have to this day.

Wow. That's good. That's good. Okay, I've got to tell you the story that Misty told me. Okay. I was on the phone the other day with a guy. Misty's in the car with me. And it's a guy I don't know, but I've got to, he's just a transaction. I've got to pay him some money.

And he goes, yeah, I'm from Okiemo, Oklahoma. What does Clay say, Josh, if someone tells me they're from Okina, but what would I say? Do you know Evan Felker? Bam. Man, you know what? I know a guy from O'Kima, Oklahoma, Evan Felker. And then we just have a little,

and the guy goes, oh, yeah, I knew Evan since he was that tall, you know. And we get off the phone and Misty's dead serious. She does not think she's going to be on the podcast. And she goes, Clay, do you think you could go one month without telling somebody that you know Evan Felk? and she was not trying to be cute and I just said Misty he told me he was from Okima

I had no choice and she said yep that was kind of an exception you tell she thinks that I just walk into like a store and I'm just like looking to tell someone that I know Evan Felker That's funny

And so every time that I even say I mean I don't know Turnpike Tributors comes up every now and then okay it just does So anyway, I do the same thing about you. We all do probably. You talk to people all the time. You know Clay Newcomb?

Yeah. People say, man, don't speak through West Fork. And I'm like, speaking of West Fork, do you know Clay Newcomb? And then you'll be like, I heard he knows Evan Felk. It was funny. Last year, my kids all played basketball and they were playing away. And there's a game I couldn't go to for some reason. I mean, I almost make all the game.

probably because Oakley she had a game that night but um there there was a guy there that stood out to the girls because he was they said he's being rude on the other team but he had a bear grease hat on I was like I bet you could have I was being rude yeah I was like I bet you could have gone up and say hey I know clay and he wouldn't approve of this and he'd have piped down but she didn't so wow that's the first negative yeah negative thing I've heard I hear people often say they see a bear bearer's hat and they're kind of like fist bump some stranger you know but okay I had a guy from you know who you are clean it up yeah Clean up your act.

We were in, Cindy and I went to this little neat little resort south of Austin, and I had my hat on, and this guy, he's from England, came like, he said, I've heard about, what is this? And we started talking, and we hit it off, the hat, you know, they invited us to dinner with them that night. Really? He actually said, yeah, y'all come hunting England next time you're there, but hadn't been there yet. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, we were over.

Had opened his doors. Just below Bull Shoals, we took our kids fishing over there, and whatever the little creek is, you can go fly fishing in. And I had my bear grease either shirt or hat on. A guy came up to me. He was like, oh, yeah, I listen to that all the time. You know, I have this tendency. I would be like, well, hey, did you listen to that one render at the very beginning of the year?

We talked about men's health. You know, that was me. Like, whatever he needs signed, I'll sign it, you know. And but I did. And I kept it quiet. And then my buddy next to me, Mark, he goes, hey, he was the guy. He was the doctor that was on that render. And the guy was like, I didn't listen to that.

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and I know y'all are on it, Josh, you were on it, but like just for an hour of concentrated information, did we kind of hit the good stuff? Yeah. You know, we were saying, I just hope one part, like it's doable. It's just, I think, I think Adam, it's doable, no matter where you're at, just take the first step.

And don't worry about, like, there's no such thing as failure. It's a process. It's a marathon. You know, it's a journey. Yeah. And so whatever you're doing, maybe you got off the exit, get back on the exit, and keep going. You know, the most encouraging thing for me that I've learned, I would say, just in the last few years, is just how anything at any age is going to be beneficial. I cited this study that I saw online about how they had studied muscle mass with even people in their 70s, 80s, even into their 90s.

And they were talking about like a 100% increase in like the weight they could lift, which, I mean, if they could lift two pounds and then they could lift four pounds, like that would be, you know, double. So obviously the gains would be smaller if you were that. Oh, but the point is that it's never too late to start doing something that is going to impact your health. And that's encouraging because I think sometimes people will just think, man, that ship is sailed. I mean, you take that even, and you make it practical, two pounds to four pounds is someone being able to pick up a half a gallon of milk and import in the cereal. I mean, it's things like that that you don't really even think about that would make a meaningful change in someone's life. That's true. Yeah. It also didn't want people to think that this was a podcast for like old people.

I said it right at the beginning. I was like, hey, this is not, I mean, there's some applicable things really for people probably in their middle age. But I wanted bear to listen to this and be like, man, if I start building now, healthy eating habits, healthy exercise, building muscle. I mean, you can just have such a major runway when you hit, you know, the middle of your life and on, that it could be really major. Yeah, my biggest regret, I saw on Josh, is that I didn't, I just started weight training really in the last two years. I've always ran, always road bikes. And, you know, it's good for my heart, but it just hadn't built muscle. But I'm enjoying it now. And it's not bodybuilding.

I'm just trying to do functional fitness kind of weight training, meaning can I get off the ground? Can I lift this or that? And I wish I in my 20s kept that going. Where did you pick? I enjoyed the quibon farmers carry. Tell me about that because I've never. It's so, you know, like if you're on a farm carrying buckets, that they just have the name of farmers carry.

So I have kettlebells. I work out with kettlebells that's almost exclusively. And I've got 44, you know, it's 20 count, 20 kilogram, but 44 pounds sounds better. Sounds like twice as much to me. Yeah, 44 pound kettlebells, and I do 100 yards down, rest, 100 yards back. And I can go down and back the first rep, but the second one, my arms start burning. I have to usually set it down about the 40, 30 yard line. I started seeing people do that and learn that it was called the Farmers Carry.

And at first I didn't think much about it. I was like, what's this doing? Like it feels like when you isolate a muscle group and do a bench press or leg press, you like feel the burn. But I'm big. on farmers carries. When you really stress yourself out carrying that weight, it feels like you're working every muscle in your body. Yeah.

That's, that's, it just, it's functional too. Yeah. Like how many times are you going to be stuck on a bench press? Right. Trying to lift some.

With a rock on your chest. Yeah. Like, man, work out to the way your lifestyle is. Yeah. Yeah. So everything I do is all about,

like my, you know, first is called a Turkish get up. You literally start on the ground, on your back. You lift the kettlebell with one arm all the way up, then you go back down. So, I mean, let's train in my body to constantly go up.

All the way to standing? All the way to standing over your head, and then you come back down, and you do both sides. And so it's as much of a whole body, you know, workout as possible. And so that's just one of my things I do inside of that. So those are those functional.

I'm looking online constantly trying to figure out what's something functional I can do to add to what I'm doing. is the is the whole strength training adding muscle idea for longevity i know it's not new but it feels like it's new on the mainstream platform of going out last five years it's really it's found it's found it's ground yeah and just the data you know it's because now we have research and data showing what this does beyond the cardio because the cardio was the focus it seems like forever i don't ever remember hearing strength training and emphasis in med school no it's such a no-brainer though.

It is. I mean, when you, because when I heard it, I heard, uh, it was a lady doctor, uh,

that was on, uh, Huberman, uh, Gabriella, real famous kind of influencer. Anyway, I heard her talk about the muscle,

your muscles are the organ of longevity. I think is what she said. And it just clicked. It was like, well, I guess that makes sense. And then now everybody's talking about. it.

Yeah. And you, you know, Adam mentioned, Dr. McCall mentioned you have to have your heart to get you

there, but if your muscles aren't going to get you out of the chair or off the ground, if you fall, then you lose your independence.

And that's what we, you know, your muscles are what are going to cause you to lose your independence. Mm-hmm. Your strengths. I think that's the difference

between a 42, 43-year-old and a 50-year-old. I was talking about still going hunting. Jason was talking about maintaining independence. So, I mean,

there's a shift, I guess, that happened. So old. But that independence, y'all. Josh's got me beat by a few months. I got them beat my four or five months. But, you know, I do, like Clay mentioned, I want to be hunting at 70 if I can, or rafting with my grandkids. You know, I want to be able to do those things. And it, you know, there's

some data that says, hey, we don't necessarily, we might not peak at 40 or 50. If we keep at it, we might can actually peek out, even in like your sprint training. I saw something saying, hey, at 60 or 70, you can still hit those times that you were hitting when you were younger with proper training. Wow. Well, I said this in our interview, Dr. McCall. but it didn't make the cut. About when I turned 40, I felt myself getting weaker. Just physical activity.

And I, like you, cardio trained, kind of my whole lot, just ran, stayed active. Like at any time between 15 and 40, I could have got out of the chair and ran five miles. But never weight trained,

other than push-ups, which are questionable. and but when I was about 40 I just noticed I just wasn't as strong as I was you know throwing a saddle up on a mule or picking up a bag of dog food and but I looked the same I felt like I like I weighed the same yeah my belly wasn't getting any bigger necessarily and it kind of I was kind of like this is not good and then that's about the time five years ago that everybody was like oh you can't got to add muscle. And I'll be brief. When you turn in your mid-40s, you realize some of the things that you said when you're younger were just dumb. And this is one of the things.

Most of what I said when I was dumb. I am really trying to work on having less of these, just like very opinionated statements that just aren't true. I used to say that I was philosophically opposed to public working out Okay Okay Which is just kind of an insecure

dumb thing to say I just kind of thought it was funny But it was actually true Like if you would have even six years Five years ago been like Clay You're going to join a gym And you're going to go there a lot Yeah

I just would have said that will never happen Now I And then my My youngest son started, he's a ballplayer and was going to the gym here in town. And kind of in an effort to just spend a little more time with him, I was like, you know what, this was three, going on four years ago, I was like, I guess I'll go up there. And I was so insecure about it. I really was.

Yeah. I just, it can be really intimidating. Yes, it can. I just didn't like working out just around all these people that I didn't know. And I just kind of pushed through it and just did very minimal stuff, but just kind of worked some of the major muscle groups out. And I was like, oh, this can't hurt. And basically it just started building on top of that. And after about two months ago, going to the gym, you realize that nobody cares.

Nobody's watching you. And today, I just go in there and do my stuff and I don't think a thing about it. Yeah. And it truly has changed my life. look the same. That's, that's what's, I think if I had worked out this hard when I was 25, I might have been, you know, you might have seen more of a visual impact. But I truly am in some of the best shape of my life. I'm strong as I've ever been. And it, I really think it has altered the course of my life. No, no doubt. I mean, that's what he talked

I mean, you put a ton of deposits into your bank account. Yeah. I did like how we, like, that was, we both talked about that. Like, if you're investing, the dividends will pay off. You know, I tell people, my patient's like, if, you know, we call 40 over the hill, right? So if you think of 40 being like a hill of strength, you're starting to go downhill after 40. And if you're not strength train, it's like, if I use a bicycle, for example, if you're on a bike, you're going down hill with no brakes. And when you start strength train, you all of a sudden you add brakes to that bike.

and you're not going to stop the descent, but you're slowing the descent down so that at the bottom of that hill, you've still got that independence. Without that, it's just however Mother Nature takes you down. Yeah. So you can add that break at any point and slow that down. Yeah. Slow the loss down. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, we said, Josh, that we were going to talk more about you. Yeah. And we brought up briefly is GLP1. GLP1. GLP one. Can you all, either one of y'all talk about those and kind of the controvert, give me like the controversy that people might think about it. And that's probably not the right word, but pros and cons. Yeah.

What are they? So GLP1s are, um, yeah, man. Glucogon like peptide. Yep. and they're not always just glp there's a couple of ones that are glp and gip which is um man gattric inhibitory peptide glucugon inhibitory peptide um and they're basically these you think of a peptide as being a foreman at a job you can have all the all the people there you can have the workers you can have the surveyors but the peptide is the foreman who shows up and

says you go do this you go do this and basically that is what it starts to signal and it um the way that the g lps work is they slow everything down they stabilize your insulin and then they tell your brain um that there's no dopamine like it's a lot of times you'll eat something you'll get a big dopamine surge from that uh and it tells your brain that wasn't very good you didn't get enough dope you didn't get any dopamine so why are we eating that and it really is a a game changer for most people. People are using it to lose weight. Yeah, absolutely.

And I think the GLP1. Uh-huh. And I think the controversy is people say, well, we don't know what it's going to do in 20 years. Yeah, actually we do. Like, you're going to lose weight and you're going to... It's been used for 20 years. Yeah. Bieta came out in 2001 and we've been prescribing that.

And it's primarily been used for people with diabetes. With diabetes. What are the names of this? Is this, uh, Weigovie, Ozympic Zepound, Manjaro Yeah So you got two main ones

Terseptitide and Simaglutide Which are the The generic name I guess they're not generic yet But the base name But Manjaro His terseptide And Ozimic is Simulutide

And so people are using These drugs Pretty much to lose weight Diabetes Yeah But like say the lady at church Recently got on one And she came two weeks later

said my arthritis is almost completely gone. And so there's other impacts that it's having besides just diabetes and weight loss. We know the GLP-1s have about, they're 70% active in reducing inflammation. So I've seen people who had Crohn's go into remission. I've seen people who had RA go into remission just from GLPs. So you guys, both of you are really positive. on these. I tell people it's just close to what I would call Miracle drug as anything we've seen

in 20 years that I've been a physician. Really? Yeah. Why are people so, why do when you click on social media, you hear all these people saying, oh, this is, beware of this. You know, well, one, I would say that some people call the Ozympic face, because they're losing lots of weight and your skin stretches and it doesn't, it's not elastic and stretching back.

So, you know, they have that look. But another thing is. is, you know, I tell all of my patients, and I think too many people are on these that aren't doing it, but if you're not strength training while you're taking these 30% of your weight loss is muscle. So for every 10 pounds, somebody loses on this, three pounds of muscle if they're not strength training. Okay. That brings up, Josh, because I have heard that. That's one of the top things. People are like, yeah, these GLP-1s work, but you lose a bunch of muscle mass, and then we know that muscle mass is the pathway to longevity.

So really, you know, you're kind of paying, cheating. What's the phrase? Cheating Paul? Robin Peter. Pay Paul. Yes. Yeah. But so, but you're saying if you strength train while you're taking this, it's going to help.

It's the cheat code. Yeah. And honestly, that's any diet. If you're just losing weight with diet alone, you still need a strength train to keep from losing muscle. Okay. Okay. Now that's good intel. Yeah. Because if, yeah, if you just like reduced your calories to 700 calories a day and didn't do any strength training, you're still going to lose muscle.

Your body would eat some of your muscle. Yep. Yeah, I mean, that was where you would lose some of the weight? Absolutely. Okay. Okay. So, okay. So, Josh, I actually asked Josh before I put on the podcast what I did. I said that because he quickly gave a synopsis that he'd lost 50.

pounds and then dr mccall had talked about just how just this radical transformation i mean even inside your labs your blood work your all your stuff just kind of like with that weight weight dropped loss and a change in lifestyle right so big stuff happened yeah so the one i met with with dr mccall was it was december 30th and so we kind of made all these changes right at the beginning of the year and and there were there were certain things that you know the prime thing was losing weight like you've got to lose weight i was i was 271 pounds and which is way more than then you're five six so you know that's i'm six foot one i'm six foot one but it's still it's way too much weight for my body i'm a fairly big big framed guy but still 271 pounds is way more than than

i need to be carrying and uh you know he talked about and i'll i'll tell you i had i had a lot of other things that that were ailing me as well i had I have two messed up rotator cuffs from some skiing accidents. One has a partial tear into terror. And I was having to get cortisone shots on my shoulders about every six months just to manage the pain. And he suggested a gLP. And I didn't know a lot about it. And so the great thing about talking with Dr. McCall is he takes all the time.

that you need to communicate and allows you to ask questions. So, man, I just bombarded him with questions. And that was one of the things. And I appreciated the fact that, you know, when he said, hey, let's look at your health. You know, he was looking at my heart. He was looking at my weight. He was looking at my sleep. He was looking at my testosterone.

He was looking, you know, he asked me about my spiritual life. I mean, just like he said, we need to look at this holistically. We can't just treat one thing and expect it to change your life. And so it really was a decision and a recipe to benefit everything. And so, but losing weight was the thing that we needed to do that would have the most impact on my health system. Because, you know, my blood work was really bad. You know, I had high cholesterol, low testosterone, and, you know, I've been pretty transparent about, you know, having testicular cancer. you know that that caused it was a big part of why my testosterone was down you know lack of exercise

and so um in doing that like we really talked about the need for i think anything that you rely on as a as a crutch or a cure to fix you um will be successful for a time and then as soon as that wears off, you're going to, you're going to fail. And so I knew that that getting on the GLP, you know, we talked and he said, you'll, you'll probably lose a lot of weight. I didn't, I didn't know how much I would lose, but, but he said, you'll lose a lot of weight. But I knew that I couldn't just rely on that to fix it. I knew I had to change the way I was eating. And I knew I had to, I knew, I mean, I'm, I'm 50, it just turned 50 in May. And I was noticing how much muscle, you know, I've always been a big guy. I don't, I don't, I don't, I can't, I can't,

say as I've ever been real fit, but I've always been strong. But I had noticed how how weak I'd gotten over the last five to seven years. And so I immediately changed my diet, started focusing real heavily on protein and fiber, and then started the GLP and started a really low dose. How did you take it? Is it a shot? It's a shot. It's an injection. You do once a week. You do it yourself? I do it myself. Yep. Mine is compounded, so the pharmacy sends me a vial, and I just draw it up in a syringe once a week.

I mean, it's like taking insulin. You stick yourself in the belly. A tiny, tiny, tiny, you honestly can't even feel it. Do you work for Big Farm? No, I do not. But then I started alternating. running and weight training. And when I say weight training, I mean like really emphasizing heavy weight because I know that heavy weight is going to build my muscle. It's also going to increase my testosterone.

And so I really started focusing on heavy weight, you know, and getting strong. But I, I know that, you know, my heart's not super fit. So I wanted to be able to do aerobic exercise to try to get that, you know, that VO2 max. I'm sure my VO2 max when I started was in the dumper. But, so I've really been focusing on that. And I honestly have been working out six to seven days a week. And I don't always necessarily work out for an hour or an hour and a half. You know, there are days where I work out, you know, I wait train for 45 minutes to an hour. And there's days where I wait train and run in a day.

But I'll just go, you know, I'll go run three miles. And, you know, now I'm down to, it takes me about 28 minutes, 29 minutes to run, to run three miles. and I tell you, I think I'm probably like more functionally strong now than maybe I've ever been. And I feel like I'm more fit than I've ever been. And that's, you know, that's just in the last eight months. But I've been really consistent with it for eight months. And so, you know, I've dropped 50 pounds. My labs, I mentioned this on the podcast, my labs, when Adam, he actually was coming here for the podcast.

And I said, did you see my labs? And he goes, no. And he pulled him up on his phone. And he goes, Josh, this is not good. Like, I saw the look on his face. And I was like, oh, crap. Like, he's serious about this. And one of the first things he said was, I think you need to see a cardiologist.

And that was like, oh, my gosh, I need to see a cardiologist. Like, I can't believe, I can't believe I'm at this point. Right, right. And so, and that was one of the. those things where it's like, I got to do something or I'm going to be having a heart attack. And so just in about four to five months, my labs went, my testosterone doubled. My labs, my lipid panel, which is your, you know, your heart, your cholesterol and all that kind of stuff, went from off the charts to down at the lower end of normal.

Like, and so, I mean, just in just in eating better and exercising and losing weight, like I, it's been seriously life changing. And so I would encourage anybody out there who thinks, and I had gotten to the point where I wasn't doing much physical. I mean, I was, I'm outdoors and I'm hiking and that kind of stuff. But as far as intentional exercise wasn't doing a whole lot. that you can do it. I mean, you just, you have to, you have to make that initial thing. I will tell you that momentum is such a valuable thing. Once you get that ball rolling, you want to keep it rolling. You know, I can't say that changing my diet makes me feel a whole lot. Like, I don't notice this huge change. I've got so much more energy. But the combination of the exercise and the diet and the losing

weight has given me a ton more energy and I feel so much better. I feel better than I've felt in 20 years probably. So anyway, I would encourage, I mean, if you're struggling with your weight and you've dieted and lost weight and put it back on, I mean, I've been through that cycle a number of times. If you're, if you're, that's you, talk to your doctor about a GLP. I mean, I'm not a, I'm not the kind of guy that's just like, hey, just go take a drug. You know what I mean? but you can't just rely on that thing to fix the problem because really the problem is inside of you. You know what I mean? You have to purpose to do the right thing.

You have to purpose to make the right choice. But something like a gLP can help. It can help with that. And so you can't rely on it, but it can help. So, man, I encourage anybody out there. I also encourage you if you haven't had. if you haven't been to the doctor, if you haven't had your blood work done, I had no idea that my, my, I was in that bad of shape.

I mean, I knew it was heavy. Right. But I had no, I had no clue what the impact was. And so do it. Mm. Yep. And most insurances pay for once a year a visit, you know, if you're paying the premium, then take advantage of it.

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Have you guys found people that the GLP-1s didn't help? Are there some people that just like, genetically it's not as effective or or is it all about their behavior along with taking the drug man i think both but i mean i have one of my patients when we've tried everything i mean he's kept calories he's watched them he's worked out um and he cannot lose weight how old is he 35 wow and he's big and so like we're looking into other other genetic like growling deficiencies and things like that, that are there other biochemical or biologic processes going on?

But all in all, a GLP most of the time helps. Most of the time. Few people have some side effect. Most common would be nausea initially, but most people's nausea improves over time. I've had a few older women say it's causing them to lose more hair. Sometimes maybe a little magnesium could offset that.

But for the most part, most people respond well to it. who's eligible for this? Like it's it's not just somebody that is like 150 pounds overweight or something. I took, uh, I took Mount Jaro, I got up to about 240 pounds almost. And I lost right at 50 pounds with it. And man, you don't know, you don't know how bad you feel until you feel good again. And you tell someone who hadn't worked out.

while, hey, why don't you start running? They go run once. They're sore for four days. And they're going, you want me to do it again tomorrow? I can't do it again tomorrow. I can barely get out of bed today. And so the GLP actually helps with that because of the inflammatory. You know, that's another thing.

I forgot to mention my rotator cuffs. I said that at the beginning. Within a couple, like, I had gotten to the point where I thought I was going to have to have rotator cuff surgery on my right side because it was so painful. And within two weeks. of starting the gLP, I forgot that I had pain in my shoulder. Like it literally went away because it reduced the inflammation in my joints so much. If we had filmed you telling all that story walking through like beautiful pastoral landscapes,

it was like nice music, it could have been a big farm commercial. Yeah, I've got a face for big farm. No, that's that your story is incredible, Josh. And it's, and it's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's incredible, Josh. And it really, I think you're, the way you responded just with your behavior, but also just, you know, being 50, I don't know, it just feels like you're like the perfect example of somebody that could help that, that understands that it's not just a crutch. Because that probably is where maybe it doesn't work as good feels like is maybe somebody

that kind of just keeps the same lifestyle. Yeah. I mean, the idea is it helps you kind of get the ball rolling or, you know, help you change. I mean, it's not easy to, I mean, you know, there's a saying you can't out exercise a bad diet because you can be exercising, but if you don't change your diet, you're not going to see those results. But, but, you know, I tell people, I could foresee this being like almost like a vitamin in the future. Like just get every, if we can get people on it, we can prevent some of the diabetes, the knee, you know, knee replacement, just from the weight. So for every pound someone gains, they add four pounds of pressure to their knee, six pounds to their hip. If you can lose a pound, you're taking four pounds of pressure off your knee, six pounds off your hip.

So just think of the joint replacement since it's weight, weight based, but diabetes, heart disease. If we see somebody hitting that trajectory right now, it's hard to get people on. That's the tricky part is the cost and getting it approved by insurance. If we could get people on this stuff, we would not see some of these. problems because we were so you guys are like big advocates for this oh yeah prevention i mean because i'm a preventative based you know this mindset the problem with medicine is it doesn't pay for prevention it pays to fix the problems it's reactive yeah and that's the big part that's the big big part you know part of the problem with the business industry insurance of medicine so would you

going back to this question i mean would you give a gLP one to somebody that was 10 pounds overweight that couldn't knock off 10 pounds? Why not? I mean, I really, it wouldn't have some negative, because it feels the way I've ingested it and it's been kind of fed to me and I understand it would be like,

use this if nothing else has worked and you're like really overweight. The last 10 pounds are going to be hard to get off no matter what. We know that. But one thing that you can do with it is microdose it. And it helps you change how you,

change how you eat because the food that you did eat doesn't taste the same it doesn't taste good anymore and so you can use small amounts of glp1 to help someone as they begin that transition and changing a diet uh we talked about it i don't know if i don't think it was in the podcast but i mean i've used it to help people quit drinking alcohol i've used it to help people quit smoking uh it's like witch and sticks craving yeah similar you can use to find graves you can use to find water lines Seeing you can find pet, pet burial spots. I'm sorry. No, I was, you know, I was thinking of an analogy.

I love analogies. And it's kind of like you can go, if you're going to hunt, you know what, I'm going to go scent free. And you wash your clothes and scent free and you do all the right stuff, but you still smoke a cigarette on the way to your deer stand. You're not doing yourself any good. You're thinking that the one thing that you had to do was just, use scent-free laundry detergent.

No, you've got to make change too. You have to be methodical about what you do and when you do it so as to make the biggest difference in your life. That's interesting. Yeah, from my height, I'm 5-7, 5.7.5.5.5.5. And I'm about 15 pounds overweight, okay, 15 to 20. And I've got some in the fridge. I've been just... So you've considered...

Oh, yeah. And I mean, I mean, if anybody that would see you would just be like that. like, oh, this is a fit, good-looking guy. But, yeah, I mean, you don't see my shirt off either. So, you know, I've got, my pants size has gone up in the last couple years. And, you know, I intermittent fast. Most days, I eat once a day. And you would think I would just drop pounds, and I haven't.

And the skinniest I've ever been was when I was training for, like, hard half-marathon stuff. And, and, you know, I have a sweet tooth, so I can give up a sweet tea or a Coke every now and then. I see you knock down some sweet teas. Yeah, yeah. It's still well sweet tea and the queen's been my nemesis right there. But really, I mean, the things you can do, I tell people to say, hey, you don't have to give it up completely. Give it up Monday through Friday. You know, say whatever your cookie or your cake or whatever, just give it up Monday through Friday.

Give yourself some on the weekend. It's okay. Like that can be a diet. You know, you don't have to completely, it's ideal, yeah, if you can completely get rid of that stuff. But, hey, we want to enjoy life too. And food is enjoyment for us, you know. for some of us. And so I try to help people find ways that works for them.

So I find it interesting that you have considered to. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, for sure. I've got it sitting there and just waiting on me to start. Okay. What about the peptides that people are taking, like athletes are taking to build muscle? What is that? Is that the same thing?

Essentially, except for we don't know what it's going to do in 20 years. Okay. So there's a difference. Yeah. There's a difference between what, Josh. is done and what some guy's doing that's like using it almost like. Yeah, and so steroids. I think those are probably some of the future.

As more research comes out, I do think we're going to be seeing more and more of benefit from those because the Chinese and the Russians have been studying for a really long time. And there are some good doctors over there, okay? You know, there's some smart guys. And how much of that data do we have? I don't know. But you got to be careful. Because right now you can buy that stuff without a prescription.

You've got to be careful. It's kind of like if you go and get water out of a pipe in the ground, it might be great, clean water, but it could be also contaminated with Giardia. And it looks the same. And so we got to, we got to know what our source is. But, yeah, I think the peptides, it's huge, you know, popular right now. And I think there are some that are beneficial, but we got to be careful. If I understand it right, like a peptide is like a program. Like it's telling your body what to do.

Yeah. Did you not listen to my format analogy earlier? Just a little bit ago, we talked about that, Josh. Yeah, I mean, just, I'm just, I'm literally thinking because there's like different peptides. So they're literally just, they're all peptides, but they're telling your body to do different things. So it's not a GLP1 is a peptide. It is a peptide. Yes.

But it's a, but it's a well-researched peptide. Okay. And what these guys, what these young guys are using to build muscle is the thing that actually you guys are like, well, let's I mean so there's peptides to help build muscle peptides to help inflammation or maybe even injury repair peptides for hair you know hair loss I need I kind of need all those myself you know and so there's a lot of peptides so some can be taken daily some can be taken some have to be cycled so like some of these peptides increase blood flow to maybe certain areas but if you've got a cancer that you don't know about you don't want to increase blood flow to your cancer it's feeding the cancer

cancer. So that's the stuff. That's the hidden dangers in some of these. Okay. Okay. So yeah. And you mentioned compounded. Compounded are medicines that are made by pharmacies that can get ingredients that aren't from say your, your Ozympic and Manjaro companies and can be, you know, bought and used and mostly safely, but that that's, you get on a physician's, there's a physician's Facebook group. I don't know if you're a part of it but i am oh my gosh you mentioned compounded and people will light you up like you're the worst doctor ever if you know i think it's it's going okay they also put in either you know b6 or or b12 which can help with some of the side effects and the the cost of it it's much so much so much more reasonable for people and you go man if

it works yeah why would i withhold something that was you know i think what we talked about if you come to see me, my whole thing is I'm looking at your numbers, not because they're a number, because I go, what is that going to steal from your life? Yeah. Like, man, did I want Josh to lose weight because his BMI was high? Like, I didn't look at the BMI and go, man, that's too high. Let's get to that goal. I said, you're going to be able to do more. Your knees are going to feel better. And you're going to be able to live more life that God has intended you to live.

And you're just going to be able to live it better. Yeah. And so if I can get a cheaper drug into someone who needs it, why wouldn't I do that? Same drug, they just don't spend billions on advertising. But just be careful again. You can get that stuff. Just be careful where you get it from. And there's, I mean, you want your doctor to know where it's coming from.

Like you want them to know what's the difference between an FDA approved, FDA inspected. compounding pharmacy versus one, that isn't. Like, I mean, there's, you want to know your source. Mm. Mm. That's all, that's all really interesting. Yeah. All really interesting.

Well, I think the, the, the three big things that I heard and that we emphasize, which I think anybody could stand by would be, for anybody, male or female, would be to build strength. You just, just, if you're interested in living a healthy life in your later, later years and even when you're young, build strength, build cardio, get your heart pumping every. I heard a guy one time just say, he said a human is designed to be out of breath every day of their life, which I thought it's a pretty good, just way to think about it. Yeah. Get your heart beating every day. A little, you know, that's something that I've tried to implement is adding to kind of some sprint training to what I do, whether we're on a bicycle or just at the football, you know, track where I've been running is something to get your heart rate up at a high, you know, zone.

You know, we've got five heart rate zones, I guess, zone one through five zone, one being your just casual. Zone two is considered that aerobic kind of threshold. You want to stay in, but then zone three, four, and five are zones that you start hitting your anaerobic threshold. but we don't hit that enough. You know, like our ancestors were chasing or being chased, and we don't do that enough anymore. And then the third thing being your diet. Yeah.

And I think that is probably where most Americans get in trouble is what we perceive as normal is not normal. Yeah. It's just never normal to eat hot Cheetos. Yeah. It just isn't. I mean, the truth is, it may sound funny, and I'm joking, and it is funny when I say that.

But like, it's just not. And I'm sure there's something, there's things that I eat that are my hot Cheetos that, we all have them. But the American diet is just pretty messed up. And what I was trying to focus on, and it's because it's been an emphasis inside of my life,

is not letting the culture dictate what I think is normal. Right. Yeah. Because I think we do that. I think we compare ourselves to the rest of the world, and it is not very hard to be fitter than the average American. Sure. And, I mean, you could be more fit than the average American

and still be pretty bad out of shape. And then the whole idea that to be unfit is to be diseased. That's a pretty powerful kind of sobering thing. And then, you know, I said, and if you, I think if you analyzed the people listening and you know if you analyze your world you might find this to be true and maybe you've thought it before but just how casual we are

with like being bad out of shape I mean guys laugh about it oh yeah I mean how many guys doctors that are terrible out of shape that just laugh about boy I'm bad out of shape and it's like I mean it's kind of like man I got I've got a cancer you know and that's

that might be extreme well no more people die of heart disease than they do of cancer I mean it is but people don't take it this serious as cancer. We know that our diet a lot of times feeds the cancer. I mean, it's a big, it really needs to be at the forefront of what you think about. Yeah. Yeah.

And at the same time, we can't, it does no good to compare, here I am talking about comparing yourself to other people. On the other side of it, you know, there's a lot, there is a lot of genetic variation in people. And you may do a put a bunch of information. puts in and never get what someone else gets but you got to erase that and find what's healthy for you find just like your sweet spot for functionality in your life and longevity yeah and be content with that you know you may never be the guy on the on the cover of men's fitness but it's like so we can't compare ourselves right but at the same time we look to you know i kind of i didn't want a dog like fitness

influencers but at the same time most fitness influencers are pretty extreme and now if they were sitting here I would I mean one of them which I'm looking at Josh as if you're not a fitness

influencer now you are I don't want to be the guy that like talks about like people dog Cam Haynes all the time more power to Cam Haynes man how the cam's like I don't know how old Cam is. Late 50s.

55 to 60s. And, I mean, just works so dang hard. And it's like, that's incredible. He runs, I mean, just miles per week. Yeah. I love it. That's not everybody's going to do that. Right.

And people have to know, like, it doesn't take that. Like, it doesn't take having eight hours in your day to work out. Right. You know what I mean? To prepare your food and all that kind of stuff. Now, Cam, now Cam's my friend, he would say he worked, he worked on, he was a water, he worked to the water department his entire career. Did you know that?

He had a regular career. He retired from the, wherever he lives in Oregon. So I brought up campaigns. I'm not dogging Cam Haynes, but my point is, is that fitness influencers are not always like the best goal. They're inspirational. Yeah. When I see Cam, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go.

run so I use that but I don't probably will never be as good as Cam Haines and that's okay yeah you know um so it's a it's a everybody's got to find their balance yeah but you can't you have too many excuses or you'll under shortchange yourself and um and that's that's why I tell people just just 11 minutes twice a day we'll check that box and you know especially I think y'all mentioned as soon as you put your fork down within a minute, try to go get that 11 minutes in because that does change your, how your body's metabolizing glucose and stuff like that. But that's doable. We can, I have people tell me they don't have time. Like, you got 11 minutes twice a day? They're like, yeah, do it. Just start walking. We can all do it.

Misty and I are pretty, pretty obsessive about walking after we eat. We even do it sometimes after we eat like at a restaurant. Sure. Josh and I Do you remember Several times Mexican food Traveling?

Yep And before we get in the car Go walk for 20 minutes Yeah just like I remember one time we walked In some little podunk town in Oklahoma It's me and Josh Just walking down the road

People were just like How are these guys? It's Evan Felker I bet that guy knows Evan And if you can exercise it with your wife Do it You know your spouse do it I mean I think that's important

To try to do that if you can Not everybody can but it gives you time to talk. And, I mean, like, Sunday and I, we have a tandem bike. We ride our tandem bike, and, you know, me and Josh do that too. I thought I saw you guys. I need a Berggris kit. Oh, I want the front this time.

You know, I need a Berggris kit, huh? Oh, yeah, for sure. But really. I don't want a Barrygree sticker on your tandem bike. No, I'm talking about the home. But, no, really, I mean, it's important. If you can do that with your spouse, do it, you know. It's just time together, and y'all can work out together.

Yep. Yep. Excellent. Well, thank you guys both so much for taking time out of your busy practice, which is very real, and meeting with us on short notice. I really appreciate it. Yeah, enjoy it. It's an honor, man. And so tell us about your practice. Where is your practice, Adam? So mine is in Springdale on the corner of 412 and 49, there by Sam's Club. If you're from this area, it is the old fun city. I say it's Fun City 2.0. You know, I did have a golf simulator in my office. I was trying to keep the vibe of the Puppuck course. And then my nurse said that I was spending too much time on it. So I had to take it out.

Yeah, it was an issue, apparently. And then it's just in the back corner. I got a big blue tower. And, I mean, we see everybody, you know, wound to tomb. Yep. Actually, my Adam's going to be. delivering my first grandchild. What we think is going to be my first grandchild.

I got two of them coming very close together. Wow. But, yeah, he's my daughter-in-law, that's doctor. Wow. That's cool. You sign a hippo. Yeah, I'm about to say. I can't neither confirm nor deny that.

Jason, tell us about yours. Yes, I've been in D-Queen, Arkansas, which is Southwest Arkansas, for 19 years now. A couple of Turnpike Tributor songs. Yep, yeah. Well, one. Yeah, one. And so, and then I opened up in Broken Bow, 24. And so downtown Broken Bow and downtown Dequeen.

I got 200-year-old buildings that, you know, I've got a love-hate relationship with those old buildings. But, yeah, and enjoy being, you know, I grew up in McCurton County, my first 12 years and kind of back to my roots. And there's actually one of my patients, like, worked with my grandmother. You know, like, it's neat seeing people who knew my grandparents or worked with my dad. But, yeah, it's both places. It keeps me busy. Hopefully, you know, if anybody's out there. Are you taking new patients?

Taking new patients. And if anybody out there's a physician wanting to get, you know, some getting a private practice, reach out to me because I'd like. You need a physician. Yeah, we need some more help or growing. And I'd like to hunt a little more and fish a little more. And, you know, it's hard to do when you're seeing patients every day. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. But, yeah. And you are taking new patients? We are taking new patients. I will be back to clinic full time. in about four weeks and so I'll be able to start resuming that. I took a little time off just to see my family this summer and make some hard decisions about delivering babies and really think through. So you deliver babies too. I mean, we know that, but that's not common. Not common. No.

So you're kind of a traditional family doctor. I mean, the closest thing that you can get to what an old school doctor would have been is just everything. We're all trained pretty much delivered babies. I delivered my last one in 2007 and I enjoyed it but I like having a schedule. I don't you know babies don't come on schedules and uh yeah they're really bad at that yeah and and the hospital no longer delivered when I when I moved there they were our OB department all these small towns OB departments are shut down I think Mina might still deliver you got a I think they do yeah you got to go to a bigger bigger town yeah so we I have four kids we had to go to texture can an hour away for two of them and then I found a really good doctor got in Clint Henson and Todd Springs and we started our last two

got delivered there. Wow. Yeah. So it's, yeah, it's a challenge if you're, my wife's water broke on the way to Hot Springs number four and we made it with about an hour or hour and a half spare. Hmm. So yeah. We, uh, I don't miss no. Yeah. No, people are always like, I mean, what, I mean, how do you do it? You know, what time the babies come? You know, I'm like, you know, it's not usually between eight and five. And they said, why is that? And I was like, because they're not usually made between the hours of eight and five. Exactly nine months after the time of conception. Do the minute. It's amazing how the body works.

I don't even know where I was going. You just wanted to tell that one joke. That could go way off track. It hit. It hit hot. That's funny. Well, we did mention on the front end that we have guys in the Tukova's hot seat and the Toccova's auxiliary hot seat

that you guys will be receiving a pair of Toccova's boots from Tocovus. So thank you to Cacobos. I hope you guys enjoy those boots. Thank you. And you're going to be at the, we should have said this at the beginning. World Championship Squirrel Cookoff. I'll be there. With Brent and Lake Pickle.

Brent and Lake Pickle, we'll have a booth up there and we'll have a great time come down and check it out. There'll be lots of food to eat. What's the day and when is it? It's September 12th. All day. there in Springdale at the the hunt nature center. So come down and check it out.

Yeah, that's a big, a big event. There's a lot of, a lot of booths. It's hard to describe what it is, but the main thing is a cooking contest, using squirrel, 40 teams. They give away a lot of food. It's a beautiful campus. It's a beautiful campus. Game and Fish will be there.

They'll have lots of cool activities for kids and for everybody. So it's kind of an event for all ages. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I'll be in, let's see, when does this come out? No, it'll happen after I come. After, I'll be in Missoula, Montana. Oh, that's right. Three days after you hear this.

I was there. It was great. Well, thank you guys so much. Thank you for having us. Yes. A lot of fun. Excellent. No sign up. No, keep the places.

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