Bear Grease - Ep. 67: Bear Grease [Render] - Tavin, Tik Tok, and Turkey Salmon

Episode Date: August 17, 2022

On this episode of the Bear Grease [Render], Clay and the gang talk about their most recent podcast. They get to know a special guest -- Tavin Dillard -- who shows Clay how to call in a turkey salmon. Later, they meet another special guest, Joel Barry. Finally, they discuss Clay watching Instagram Reels like a dad, why Gary Newcomb had to aggressively fine-tune his Tik Tok preferences, and what that means for the future of society. I really, really doubt you're gonna want to miss this one.  Connect with Clay and MeatEater Clay on Instagram MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube Shop Bear Grease MerchSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Our kids, you know, are getting stitches. Or needing rides home from work, which I don't think Clay knows how much of my life is devoted to chauffeering. Yeah. And organizing chauffeurs for our children. And then the third thing that I'd look at my phone for would be to fact-check Clay. Okay. Or to like- That's the real thing.

Or do research. You feel like your job here is to fact check me. Not to fact check you, but sometimes you'll be like, I don't know, look that up. And I'll just do it right then. And then I'll come back on the podcast. I mean, I think I'm a valuable asset. That's a really diplomatic way to say that. In that way.

Hey, let me tell you all the story, okay? This actually happened this very day. This is a true story. This happened this very day. It's unusual. And this is going to set up other stories. stories inside this podcast. Okay. So it's important that you pay attention. You may not be able to tell, but I'm kind of into fitness. And I was running this morning. Here we go. And I run a very long

stretch. I won't tell you how far I run, but I was running down the highway. And I had actually, I stopped to walk a section because I was running so far that I was walking down the highway. Lonely stretch two lane highway. I've done this for years. Dexterousy. decades one other time one time someone stopped and asked me if I needed a ride he was driving like probably a 1980s late model work truck rough guy no a C and he was like you need a ride and I was like no I'm good I'm exercising oh oh okay I want a nice guy today years later hundreds of cars It's past me every day. A guy slows down, and I feel him slowing down, and he stops, and he goes, he leaves his window

up, but he points at me, and he points in the seat, like the passenger seat, like. Sign language. Like, you want to ride right here, and I smile real big, and I go, no, and I do my arms like I'm running, because I can't talk to him. He's got to wind up. Is it not obvious that you're running? Is that the speed? I'm walking.

I'm walking. I'm covered in sweat, and I just look like a dirty guy walking down the road. and he stops to pick up this dirty guy walking down the road. It's like, you want to get in my truck and ride with me. And I do my arms like I'm running. And I say, I'm running. I'm exercising. And he goes, oh, he does like a big, like, oh, face.

And then he does the running thing. He does his arms up and down. And I go, yeah. And then he pumps his fists like, yeah, good job. Fitness. Way to go. And then he drives off. And the man was wearing a pair of overalls.

He had to have been in his arms. early 70s, gray-headed, nice beard, glasses. Here's the hook of the story. He had a pair of decals, big decals on the backside of his truck of a man riding a mule. You should have the ride. Beautiful, like a silhouette. You know how guys will have pictures. Tavin, do you know about that?

I know about pictures. I'm a little bit of an artist. Yeah, I draw things. Huh. Yeah, you give me a pen and a pad, buddy. I'll go to town all day long. It was like someone like you had done that. And there were these huge exaggerated ears, so it was a mule.

This was a mule man. And as soon as he went around the corner, I was like wanting to wave him down. I just wanted to talk to the guy. You missed it. But that, to me, displayed the internal character of, you know, a mule man. Mule man. I thought you were going to say it was the same feller that stopped years ago. I thought that was the hook.

Man, that would have been a good story. Because you're like, now he's got a beard and he's all old kind of thing. And he only do sign language because he don't like to row the window down. Or the handles broke. He would have a nicer truck. Hey, welcome to the Bear Greas podcast, everyone. Good to be here. We've got a fantastic lineup for you today.

I'd like to introduce the people here. As usual, I will introduce our guest at the end. We're going to go counterclockwise, which usually is different than usual. I would like to introduce my dad, Gary Newcomb. Gary, Black Panther, Newcomb, sitting over in the corner with the mannequin of the, with the Black Panther head right there. And the believer hat.

Good to see you. In the believer hat. Yeah, and the believer hat. How are you doing, man? Hey, real good. Real good. You've been playing golf? A little bit, a little bit.

Did you hear my comments about golf? Yeah, I did. How did that make you feel? Well, I think that's why you're a loser, man. You have never a mountain. No, no, really. You weren't cut out for it. But you did the same thing.

I mean, you had a lot of diversity. Yeah. That's all I was saying. Exactly. I felt like I had tipped to exactly what you wanted to see from. But also, you were a specialist. I mean, you know, your diversity was fishing, canoeing, hunting, redneck trucks, good-looking women. I mean, it all fit in there.

Careful. That was, that was, plural. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. No, I had to bring you up in that because that was a good question. Okay, that was just the intro. Man, it's going to be hot today. To Gary's right, overpassing our guest is Misty Newcomb.

Welcome, Miss Newcomb. The only good-looking woman, right? That's exactly right. The rest of them were ugly. That's exactly right. So there's something that we've got to talk about later. I'm going to wait. There's a campaign going on in the world that I would like for Misty to introduce.

But first of all, Brent Reeves, great to see you. Thank you, buddy. You're wearing the good overalls? Always. You're wearing your Waylon Jennings hat. That's a Waylon hat. It's generic. When your Coon Dog's name's Waylon, and he's named after one of the icons of outlaw country music, real country music.

It doesn't hurt. It's just a happy coincidence. Gotcha. But I like both of them. Okay. Well, good to see you, Brent. Thank you, bud. Back to the middle.

We have today, Tavin Dillard. Tavan. Hey, Clay. How you doing? Man, I'm good. It's a pleasure to have you as a guest. Hey, it's good to be here. I'm glad you got the air on it here.

It's hotter than a wool sock full of baked beans out there. I'm glad I found my way in here. Yeah, man. You got it cool down in the office. Well, you call this the office? Well, I call it the global health. headquarters of the former global headquarters of the bear hunting magazine there's an acronym for it um f r no i don't know i don't know that's a lot of spelling that's a lot of words you

throwing out but i'll tell you i'm glad to be here and i hope i can be a help i'm not sure what we're doing today if we taxidermine animals or we just talking about them but i'm game what do you think of the office man i love it this is your first time in here i got my feet on a bear that's right Bear skin. That's right. They got antlers. I don't want to lean into this thing. These things are sharp over here.

Yeah. Well, that fella, you earned that one, didn't you? And there's, who's that behind me? Yeah, big bear right behind you. How'd he get here? Did you do that? I mean, in the space, I wouldn't say I did that. Like, that's not the words I would use.

They're looking at a full body bear. It's a big bear behind me. I would say this is a bear that I harvested, that I killed. Okay. ate his meat. Yeah. That's what I meant. Yeah.

I just thought D-Did was a quicker way to say that. Tavin, where are you from? I'm from Arkansas. Chancellor Park. Really? Yeah. Is that where you grew up? Yeah.

And I got here on my bike today. Yeah, it's not that far from the global headquarters. Well, not too bad. And I've seen that the door was unlocked. Yeah. Well, we had an extra spot. So. Appreciate you.

Tavin, I know your me-m-all, she called me on the landline. Yep. That's all she got. And she said that in about 30 minutes you got to roll. I know. I know. She wanted me to fetch the Mello Yeller for her. And she got her eye on a bag of hot prize.

And I ain't going to give her those because they had one bag left. But I'll bring her some work rinds. She's going to be fun. But she do like to stick to a schedule. And for some reason, she thinks I got to stick to her schedule too. Yeah. And she's my mom. So you're just going to be with us for like the next 30 minutes.

Just enough to say hey. Yeah. And, you know. It's great to have you here, man. It's good to be here. I appreciate you. So, Ms. Newcomb.

Would you like? to introduce the new campaign that's been started on your behalf and explain what it is. If you don't, I would be glad to explain it. I would like to have my representative introduce it, but if you want to explain it, that's fine. Well, if I introduce it, it would make the point. Exactly, Tadron. See, I'm following you. Go ahead, Brent.

Hashtag let Misty talk. And it's time. It's way, it's past time for this. Can I read the review? Yeah. We get a five-star review now. Yes. But this guy is, he's in deep.

He's in deep. But he says, quote, I love everything about the podcast, but it drives me crazy. Every time Misty tries to tell a story, Clay just cuts her off. I feel so bad for that woman. I think my mom wrote that. She just wrote down what the rest of us were thinking. I'm zipping my lips Tabin

Yeah thoughts I guess you let her talk buddy I mean that's that's not even like a subtle You know like wink wink Maybe don't do that just let Misty go You got a story today Misty You got something you want to talk about? I'm sure I got lots I need a shirt

I need a shirt Hashtag let Misty talk We're just going to take the next few minutes And Misty you just take us where you want to go And I'll try to talk And Clay will be like hold in a second Let me say something about that. It is true, though, Clay always, he likes to be the one.

And we've got, one of our kids is like this too. They always like to be the one that drops the punchline. And he always, he always thinks that he drops the punchline better than me. And he definitely gets there faster, but it's, he likes to, well, actually he doesn't. Did y'all hear how long we had to find out there was a mule? He's struggling. Biting his tongue. He's struggling.

What kills me is his, he's a, well, actually. Misty, I want you tell that story what happened. I know. He's so excited. And then you start telling it, and he's like, oh, she's doing that. What he really wants is Misty tee me up so I could tell that story. I'll tell it. Don't me to tell it?

And that's what he always says. Do you want me to tell it? It's like, well, I was kind of enjoying telling it. Okay, let me, let me. This is the way this goes. Tavin, yeah, buddy. You'd let me know if your meemaw ever treated you like this. Okay.

No, me ma'am, always listen to everything you said. There's the theme. Not all, memos. So there'll be this incredible story that should take five to seven minutes and have some enthralling content inside of that. And the punchline is, and then the turkey flew off. You know, it's an example punchline. I'm not going to... He's looking right at me.

Careful. Be careful now. There are people that sometimes will tell this incredible story. It's this moment that you have with this people. and they might be like, yeah, they went hunting. And then the turkey flew off. Pause. And then they tell the rest of the story.

And I'm like, whoa. No, no. I'm always rushing to get to the punchline because I know I'm going to be interrupted about 45 seconds in. If I don't get there, I'm not getting it. So I've got to get there pretty fast. There you go.

Now, is this just on a podcast? Is this suppertime, family reunions, everything? There's certain contexts that it comes out more in. And I appreciate Clay's trying to keep things on, you know, in a row in the podcast. So I'll allow it. But also I've noticed that when we are, when we're with my family, Clay often, I'm not kidding. My family is like a high interruption.

There's a lot of interruptions. I just learned if you're going to talk, buddy, you better get it in. You ever been around people like that? I've heard people that tell the food stories like out of way yet. But I guess what you're saying is you don't want to start the story like, hey, you want to hear about the time the turkey flew off, and then you go into your story and you done told everything. That's right.

Like you've got to build it up. You got to keep people caring about what you're doing. I do that all the time. Yeah. I do that all the time, whether I'm bike ramping, doing cannibals at the city pool, trying to catch a turkey salmon. I mean, all those kind of things.

You've got to figure out how you're going to let people know that they wish they should have been there, you know, kind of thing. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I know, I know, do you have, I heard a story one time you told about a crow. Yeah.

I mean, there's a hundred stories about crows in my trailer park. First of all, they like to eat food. Everybody knows that, just like any animal. They eat food. That's how that go. You know, they ain't made out of Play-Doh. They animal. So that's how.

So anyways, Candy Delroy, she little girl in the trailer park. She knocked on my door. I don't know how she had a full adult, a growled crow adult, like this away, both little hands. I don't even know how she knocked. And she caught that thing. I asked her why. And she said, that's because they're easy to catch, which that really isn't a good reason to do stuff in life, you know, just because you can do it. And then she wanted to make a house out.

There's a cardboard box underneath my trader. She wanted to build like a house and put a prairie dress on it. And all of this was news to the crow. Like he was looking at me like, bank, bank, can you help me? Like I don't speak crow, but like looking at his little bank banks, I was like, I'm pretty sure he don't want to be here. So I came up with an idea. But the thing about it is, them crows, they, you know, like, I'm a good cannonballer at the city poo. And people's like, how in the world tabbing do you get so good?

It's like, I don't know. How does a crow know the dive bomb an open bag of funions? They just borne with it, you know, like out of way. So the thing about it is, them crows being after my snacks in the trailer park, after Candy Dillroy caught it and said, I'm going to put a bonnet on you and prairie dress. You're going to live in that box? I said, Candy, if you love that crow, she goes, oh, yeah, I do. And I said, why don't you let that go?

And if it fly back, you know, it's meant to be kind of thing. Boy, that crow thought that was a good idea. Like, he ain't got thumbs because you know about crows. They got wings. But when he flowed off, he was like, bang, bang, like thumbs up, like over his shoulder, like yes. I don't know if they have shoulders. You saw that? Yeah, that's kind of what he did.

That's what I felt like he did. I don't know where a crow's shoulders start. If they even have them, I ain't a crowologist, but he flowed away happy. And I was like, candy might have done the trailer park a favor because they don't want to, they're going to tell their friends, hey, don't go back over there. And then I can leave my funions out, hot fries out, powdered donuts. They like Dr. Pepper, too. Didn't know that about Crows.

Really? Who don't? Yeah. How do they drink of Dr. Pepper? Straw. Yeah, they love the straw. I didn't think they'd have the suction capacity. You and me both, Clay.

You and me both, buddy. But anyhow. Interesting. Hey, you're wearing a pretty cool shirt. Yes, the turkey salmon. They're pretty elusive, very rare. Talk to me, brother. Well, you know how to call it turkey?

Yeah. Okay. Well, I know how to call turkey salmon because it's two parts with a turkey salmon. Because one is the call. Yeah. But you've got to get up. You know how to salmon swim out of the water like that away. And they're hard to find, but you're going to find them in order.

Well, I'm like a salmon. Imagine in your mind's eye, if you'd a listener at home because a podcast is for your ears. So they're listening? The salmon going out to water, you got to give it to shake if you're going to try to catch the elusive turkey salmon. Okay. Yeah. So it's a two thing. Like sometimes you can call a turkey, oh, you need your voice.

You call turkey salmon, you're going to need the body too. Is there turkey in here? Oh, that was clay. Yeah. That was good. Interesting. You got me. Interesting.

Yeah. That's good. So, I mean, if you ever catch one, I hope you get it mounted in here with these other animals. because I ain't been able to catch a turkey scene. I've never seen one, Tavin, but I'll be looking out for them. Rivers. Lade down around where you live. Yeah.

Hey, let me know if you have any insight into this. This is a real live deal. Dad, do you remember the radio show back in our hometown where every morning they would just sell stuff? People would call in and sell stuff. Swap shop. Like a swap shop. Yeah.

Dial-trade. Dial-a-trade. Like, it's pretty common. Yeah, dial-a-trade. I remember dial-a-trade. We're going to start a new section on the Bear Grease render of, like, a dial-a-trade, essentially. And I'm going to be the first guy. I have something that I legitimately want to sell.

Okay. Okay. And this may be a little bit of a whiplash from maybe what you've heard me talk about from last week. You remember I talked about the mule banjo last week that last render I went into deep. tale of all he's done. So it's a long complicated story. And for people that don't have mules or equine animals, don't even pretend to have, think that you have an appropriate level of empathy for a man in my position.

Okay? Yeah. Is that fair? That's fair. I mean, like, if you don't have a mule, oh, you don't know what I'm going through. No, you're just guessing. You're just, that's it. You're just guessing.

well my friend tie evans t s mules answered on his podcast uh t s mules podcast uh about what i should do to fix banjo and he gave a great answer and it was i mean it's like as good answers could have been given you know and uh i i i just don't know that i can do it and dad last time when i told banjos bucked me off twice he's kicked me once i came across a picture and I can't show it because it shows some delicate parts of a man's body high on the outside right thigh okay and there was a big black spot about as big as a baseball right there on my leg where he kicked me so dad said last time you were like answer is easy sell it and then I was like no man this is going to be a good mule this is going to work out I can work

through this and then this week I go to meet a man man that was on the former bear honey magazine podcast named Lloyd Holly. Lloyd is an older gentleman in his 70s and basically made a living for 35 years in the mule business. Had a mule farm called Hollywood Mule Farm. Oh yeah. Yeah. You did a podcast. Yeah, Bear Hany Magazine podcast with Lloyd Hawley. I was with Lloyd Hawley this week. We were looking at my friend Michael Lanier, who's considered buying a mule. Me and Mr. Lloyd Holly are sitting there watching Michael Lanier ride this really nice mule around. and I begin to tell Lloyd Holly about my situation.

And there's something I like about people when, and it's not always right, and you can't always trust this type of advice, but I like the certainty of it. And sometimes this type of certainty just captures you, and you're just like, yeah, that's the right answer. I like give him the extended version of Banjo's progress. And I go, what do I do, Mr. Lloyd?

and I expected him to go, well, Clay, you're probably going to need to do this. You're going to need to do this, this, this, da-da-da-da. He said, sell it. Wow. Just that quick. That's what your dad said. What do you think? Think about that mule?

I mean, once I get kicked in the upper thigh with a big old bone bruise, is what you probably had, deep bone bruise. I'd probably be done trying to ride that thing, especially that ain't the first time, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if it was one of your children, you hang on. on to them. A little while.

A little bit. Or maybe they're getting close to being raised and out the house. I don't know. You can't set a mule free like that. Like, go to college kind of thing. Oh, I thought you were saying if it had kicked one of my kids, you'd keep it. No, I'm saying like if you got a child that's giving you trouble, you don't quit on a child, but you might quit on a mule. The way I see it.

I don't know, though. I ain't met this banjo you speak of. Do you not think, though, that's reflection of a man's internal character? I don't think so. Well, what do you need that mule for? For lots of stuff. Tabin? Does it do that stuff you need it for? No, not yet. Well, there we go.

But it could, it might. So you say, so it ain't old. This is a juvenile. He's going through like a teenager. Okay, he's going through a rebellious stage. Exactly. Well, you just hope he comes out on the other side because if he get into some of them extracurricular things teenagers get into, he may be no good for you later down the road. I don't know. I don't know what mules get into when they rebellious. But if they're kicking me like that, they're powerful. I know that. Right. That could have broke your leg. But that being said, this is a nice mule. So he is now officially for sale, like for real for sale.

And I don't know how you can contact me if you'd like to purchase this mule, but I want to say he's for sale, not on sale. And he's actually a very, very beautiful mule. He's kind of a light sorrel. He has white socks, which it makes him a flashy mule. he's right at 15 maybe a little bit over 15 hands he's been packed on quite a bit like you could take this animal and use this pack mule today oh no doubt about that and i've written him 12 to 15 times sounds like brent wants to buy him no Brent's a mule poor right now mm I'm good so it's a beautiful

animal I just don't know that I can get him over the hump so the mules for sale and uh you know this is dial-a-make make me an offer You know a dollar trade, though, that you could trade? Like if somebody offered you something else, would you trade them or you just want money for that? Oh, that's a good question. I guess it matters what they had. Let's just think about that for a second. Money.

What trade would be worth banjo? A new Chevri-Cherry Silverado pickup, maybe. Okay. Somebody mow your yard for you. We got one in those. A long man. I know how to mow. Barrel take a new mountain buggy.

Well, the mule's for sale. So that's all I got to say about that. I got to contact you to get the price. Yeah, and I'm not always that accessible. Gotcha. We ain't called. This is exactly how Clay sells things. He gets things and he's like, I'm going to sell it.

And then he's like, I'm putting the mule up for sale, makes a public announcement. There's no way to reach me to get that meal. Sorry, Misty, we've still got to keep him. Exactly. Exactly. And I'm not putting Clay up to sell the meal. The last coondog that I had, I had him sold two times. Now, you tell me if you think this is a reflection of internal character in a negative or positive way.

But a guy was coming to my house, like the next day, to buy this dog. But I told him before he came, I said, buddy, I'm taking this dog coon hunting tonight. And if he does good tonight, that may affect your trip tomorrow. because I may tell you he's not for sale anymore. This is like actual stuff that Clay does. I'll see you tomorrow at 10 a.m. That was Scooter, wasn't it? Yeah.

And then I go hunting and what do you think Scooter did? He did a good job. Fantastic job. He did a great job. Yeah. And so at midnight, I text the guy and be like, you should have bought him while you had the chance. And then I did it to the same guy twice.

And then finally the third time when I really wanted to sell the dog, like for sure, I was a little embarrassed to even contact the guy. And so I didn't. And so I ended up giving him to a kid over in Oklahoma who's hunting him to this day and Scooter's doing real good. How many times I tell you? You got to give him a shot. Hashtag save scooter.

I even put that out there. It's true. Yeah, that's right. I'll put that on Instagram. Yep. Yeah. Have you ever coo-hunted tavern? No.

Never. I mean, I've chased them. But I ain't been out there with a dog and a gun, you know, kind of thing. We could go tonight. I'm pretty swift-footed. Really? You look wired. I could get a raccoon in a headlock, but I don't know if I could take them all the way down, you know, kind of thing.

I'll go with you. Take me out. Now, I've heard you talk about peacocks. Yeah. Do you have one? No, but I've seen them. They tear you up. They ain't friendly.

I ain't friendly. But I draw the picture of a fully mature peacock that had a squirrel in a headlock and a squirrel was so braborous. Because, I mean, they get in people's gardens. Folks can't catch them all day long. And here comes a fully mature peacock. with no thumbs. Y'all know about that? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, they just got wings. Locked him up, boom, and that squirrel was so sad kind of thing. And so I draw that picture once because I'm a little bit of an artist, you know, like we talk about that. But, no, when I was a little kid, I seen one get a hold of a five-year-old, like, cousin of mine, scratch up the back of her little back, you know, kind of thing. They don't want to be your friends. I don't know.

Have you been friends with a peacock? The only time I've ever communicated with one was I remember once driving down a road. I had my windows down. We'd come back from a turkey hunt in Madison County, Wildlife Management Area over, and Madison County. Have you been there? Yeah, I've been there. And I remember a peacock sounded off right at an opportune time for me to hear it while I was driving.

Can you do the sound? It corresponded with the turkey hunting story. And so I yelled at the peacock as we drove by. Can you read that? What does that sound like when a peacock yells and? Okay, and then what did you do? I just went, Okay.

Like that. And then you guys were friends? I never saw him again. Oh, okay. You might have made him mad, kind of like that guy you tried to sell the dog to. Yeah. Dad, do you have any questions about Tavern's background or anything? Well, I mean, he's got a good-looking bicycle out there.

I mean, it looks like it was probably... It's got some miles on it. The swin in the 1959 era. I got a question for you, Gary. Is that okay? That's good. man hit me so i i i the turkey salmon clay just said he ain't never seen one yeah and i don't was it feel like to be a person because you got a believer had on and people say you ain't

never seen one of them how do you handle that kind of i don't know feedback the cynicism yeah the pushback or the criticism you sort of had to look at the IQ the person okay you know so does that consider where it's coming from yeah yeah there you go that's a better way now on the interwebs i don't know i don't know i don't know them you know they'll just wing out comments like when you're going to get a turkey salmon. I was like, when you're going to get one. That's what I'm thinking of my head, but I don't say that out loud. If you don't talk out loud on the interweb, you peep, peep, peep, peep, type it out.

So consider the source. Yeah, yeah, keep your... Consider the source. You know, keep your head up. Keep your head up, brother. Okay. Appreciate it, Gary. Hey, I've found a relevant Black Panther pop culture data point this week.

I was with my friend Lee and Patty Walt down in, down where they've been. and Lee points to an or, a boat oar. I'll give you a prize of some sort, okay, if you know the answer to this question. It's a trivia question. Of some sort. Boat Oar. And on the boat oar is a Black Panther.

Straight up Black Panther on the wide part of the bodeor. And Lee clicks on the television and a movie comes on and he says, I want to show you a movie clip because I ask him about the bode d'or. Like, tell me about the bode door. Black Panther on the oar and there is a movie and it's a scene where these two guys these two old guys are in like a public place inside of a building and this one old guy is trying to prove that this other old guy doesn't know his stuff you know and so the one old guy goes well i bet you can stump you what is that what does that mean and he points to an or with a black panther

and he goes the question is what is on the other side of the oar and the man goes a rabbit smoking a pipe you with me do you know what movie this is

we're tracking oh man okay he takes the ore off the wall there's a black panther on one side he flips it and sure enough it's a rabbit smoking a pipe and the guy that didn't think the guy would know it was like oh really but do you know why the rabbit

smoking the pipe. And the guy says, the rabbit is at ease because he knows he's smarter than the panther. Punch line. And it was a native, it was some type of indigenous

or Native American, like, thing. A black panther and a rabbit smoking a pipe. National treasure. Wrong. Dang. Is this a cartoon?

It was a real, live action you're saying. Live action. Hmm. The movie is called The Edge with Anthony Hopkins. I've never seen it. Oh, yeah.

We actually were considered watching it. Yeah, it's about a bear. Considered watching it yesterday, but we didn't. Yeah. So, total Black Panther reference. Black Panther, rabbit smoking a pipe. Why is the rabbit smoking a pipe? It's just more proof that the Black Panthers exist.

I got even more proof. Mo? This very weak. What about our specialist that you brought in here on the bicycle? About what? Black, black panthers. Yeah, what do you think about? Have you seen a Black Panther?

I've never known your dad to lie. So you trust him. That's good enough for me. I mean, I've seen things I don't know, you know, make out the, you know, in the distance in the shadows. I ain't seen Bigfoot. I ain't never seen him. I've got some friends that have, but I ain't never seen him. But the Black Panther, I might have.

Was it a mountain line? I don't know. When you get toward the sunset. What about your me mall? What about her? Where was she? Oh. I'm not trying.

I mean, we could take this outside, Clay. You look pretty wiring. I am a little wire. I'm scrappy, too. Did your Memaw ever see a Black Panther? No, Memo don't even like to talk about animals. Really? Yeah.

You know, I think it's because she had a pet raccoon years ago, and she don't know what happened to it, and you get attached to something and then it disappear. Although she do have a gray squirrel right now, she wants to build a kennel for, and she don't know how to, like, I'm in charge of that, and she want to, she want to, She want to make that thing a home, and I'm like, that's a squirrel, Memo, but she got her own plans.

So, but she ain't never told anything about seeing a Black Panther. Really? Nope. She ain't never seen that. See, I would say 65% of women over the age of 70 that live in certain parts of the country, we'll just say, have seen a Black Panther. Those are hard-hitting statistics that you throw it out. Yeah, yeah.

So I'm surprised that your Me-Maw doesn't fit in that. based on what I know about her. He's always got a statistic ready. Yeah. 65% of 70-year-old women in a certain region have seen. Okay. Got it. I may have to circle back to Mee-Mah and just ask her.

Hey, you didn't talk to Mee-M-M-M-M-M-A about Black Panthers because I guarantee you she's holding out on you. She might be. She likes to save that for parties and stuff, I guess. Yeah. So the rabbit, the Panther, pretty cool. Okay, the second Black Panther data point was this very week, a man sent me a an actual flag of a of a Native American tribe. It was the national flag.

I mean, you know, there are sovereign nations of indigenous people inside this country. And they have flags. It's like an American flag. They have this kind of flag. And there is a flag that has a black panther on it. Straight up black panther. But the more I dug into it,

the more I realized that they weren't necessarily saying that they were black panthers. Just the graphic of it had to be black. Because it couldn't be... It's their favorite color. Maybe. Yeah. And so it was supposed to be a cougar. Not necessarily a black one, but it was black.

You with me? I'm with you. Okay. Great. Well, Tavin, do you need to... Yeah. All that's talk about Mimau made me remember I got to get some stuff over to her on a bike. Man, thanks for coming.

Hey, it was good to see y'all. Thanks for letting me cool off in here. Yeah, man. It's hot and a squirrel. Grab an orange knee high on the way out. We share it to Mimau. Appreciate that. Oh, yeah, she'll like that.

Yeah. I just don't want to drop it on the way home, them glass bottles. Boy, they do a number on the pavement, don't they? I'll see what I can do. All right, y'all. We'll see you later. All right. See you, Taving.

Bye. Last spring, Clay Newcomb and I collaborated with Jason. and Phelps at Phelps game calls and building each of our own favorite turkey diaphragms called prime cuts. Now I'm going to tell you, I love mine because it's easy to use. I'm not going to go, I'm not going to win a turkey calling contest. It's just not going to happen. But when I run this call, I get the sounds that goblers are looking for. I have a great turkey hunting track record. If you go listen to real turkeys out in the woods, they're not going to win calling contests, right? That's who I listen to. I can make those sounds.

on my cut. I also hunt with Phelps's cut, and I hunt with Clay's cut because they're all three great cuts. Check out Prime Cuts at Phelpsgamecalls.com. I think you'll be glad you did, and you'll find out that the Steve Ronella cut is an easy-to-use cut for beginning callers

who just want to start making good turkey noises and getting action. This is kind of an odd podcast, because I've got a second guest, that's going to come in. So Tavin has gone, but I would like to introduce you guys to to my friend, Joel Barry. Hey, Clay. Joel. How's going? Good to meet you, man. You too, man. It's good to be here. I just saw Taven on the way out. Brent, Misty, Dad, if you all met Joel.

Hi, Brent. Hi, Misty. Hey, Joe. Hey, Gary. Glad to have you here, man. I just met Joel for the first time just today, but we've been following each other for a while on the social media as such. There's real people behind the social media. media as it turns out. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah.

I have a character actually on social media. Yeah. Clay underscore Newcomb. Okay. Total character. Like when you're around, like me, like totally different than the guy on the screen. Right, Misty? No.

Let Mr. Cole. No. Joel. Yes, sir. So you are Tavindiller. Yeah. It's a character I do. Tell us just a little bit about like,

like the character and, I don't know, just give us a little spiel. Yeah, I started in 2006 on YouTube and kind of built an audience that plateaued for about a decade until TikTok and Instagram, and then it kind of found an audience in the last two years, the last three months on Instagram. Yeah. But yeah, so I've been building other things on social media as far as film and video production stuff, that Tavern is definitely one of my favorites. So Tavern has like 450-something-thousand-thousand-people that follow.

him on TikTok. 430. 430. Don't want to oversell it. Yeah. Okay. That would be

people to go there and be like, oh, I thought it was 450. 20,000 people stop following. Yeah. Since I like it. Now,

so, so, yeah, I was, I started seeing this Tavit. I remember the first time that I saw Tavin on Instagram. It was one of those ones where you were sitting

perpendicular, you weren't facing the camera. Uh-huh. You were sitting sideways to the camera. and you turned your head and looked at the camera. It had to be a poem. Maybe.

It was probably poetry or something? Yes. Okay. Yeah. And then this guy started talking. And I was just like, what? It took me like a couple of watches to be like, is this? Like, what is happening here?

Yeah. But it was such a familiar voice. Not that I knew you, but the voice being, I was like, this guy literally could be my neighbor. Yeah. I know 10 people like this. Yes. And then I started watching it and I was like,

I was just like, this is pretty funny. And then I sent you, what I sent you a message about, if you remember, I think I was the first one. I instigated our friendship and I said, hey, I appreciate that you have a comedy channel that isn't crass.

Yep, I remember that. Just like, because I watched a bunch of your stuff and I never, like, I kept waiting for it to be just like really crass. Like, I just thought that was going to happen because that's what comedy does. That's like that's what comedy does. And you didn't. And I just thought, man, this guy, I want to throw him a bone. And so I reached out to you. And then turns out, you're not Tavindillard at all.

No, I'm not, Joel Berry. And that can be very disappointed to some people. It can make some people angry. Most people are pretty cool about it. Have you ever run into someone who? who thought who was happy to see Tavon and then found out? You mean in person? Yeah.

Online. No, online. It's happened where there's sincere disappointment. I ran into a lady last year in a restaurant in Arkansas, and she saw me. And for some reason in my head, I'm like, I don't look like Tavon. So I go into a place, and she's like, you're Tavon. But she was okay that I didn't, you know, I wasn't really, like I was a character. I was a little disappointed when I met you.

That's all. Just a little bit. I could tell. I could tell when you made me ride in the bed of your truck. And when I saw what white straight teeth you have, I was like, come on, man. I mean, because Tavin, that's Tavin's signature is like the rough. The choppers. The rough teeth.

And that's one thing Tavin never talks about his teeth because it's too obvious. So he never really talks about the dentist or brushing teeth because it seems like too obvious of a joke to make. So it's just a little fun fact. I kept getting, I was getting text messages the day when he premiered the bearer he's hat. I'm watching all he's like, who is this class? wearing a bear grease hair. Yeah, yeah. And I just started doing the deep die.

I was watching everything. And then I think you called me that day. I said, man, you got to, I said, who is this guy? Like, you got to check this out. Yeah, yeah. It was fun. I didn't know, Brent, you never, you never comment. Do you like them?

Oh, you just keep scrolling. Oh, no, man. I like them. Oh, okay. Absolutely. Bink, bink, there you go. And so our kids watch Taven. Our kids are big Tavan fans.

They're real, really big. And the day he wore a bear grease hat, bear sent it out to the family thread. He's like, hey, y'all. So our son, Bear,

like he's not real expressive. Like, he'd say something to him. He can be like, hey, Bear, we're going to go, you know,

like do something incredibly fun. And he'll be like, okay. Yeah. And I said, I said, Tavand Dillard's coming to our house next week.

And I kind of got a little bit of a rise out of him. He got the eyebrow raise. Yeah. And he turned his head and looked at me and he said, what? And I said,

Tavendillard Billard's coming here. That sounds like a win to me. Yeah, it was a big. You have no idea. That's basically a... Hooray. That's a cartwheel?

A square dance. Yeah. Well, I hope Tavin made it back to his meme all. He knows the way. Hey, let's talk about Bradleyville dynasty basketball. Was this one out of the box for you guys? Here's the truth of the Bear Geree's podcast. Is that most of the people that are here every week don't...

It's not like I'm telling you always what I'm going to do. Like, y'all don't know. So y'all kind of ingest this. Just like everybody else. Just like everybody else. So did the title, did any of it, were you like, oh, wow, where's this going? It was exciting. It was like, oh, no, it's sports.

What did you think? The only reason it, I loved it. The only reason I wasn't surprised because I know, I know y'all. I know y'all are crazy about basketball. Yeah. Matter of fact, when Alexis and I came up, a couple of, months or so ago, you're like, hey, y'all come up, stay, but we're watching a basketball game. You can come watch it.

Oh, yeah, that's right. Or you can go off and do your own thing. And, you know, it worked out good. You know, we all went out because the basketball thing was over early. But I've known you guys all like basketball. And then Shell. Would you anticipate by my looks that I'm as good a baller as I am? No, I would not.

I wouldn't, absolutely. I wish Tavin was here. I'd ask him. It actually is kind of funny because Clay, we'll go to the... That was a joke. You want me to not say what I'm going to say? Well, I don't know what you're going to say. I'm joking about me being a good.

Let Misty talk. Can we just, not for every podcast, but just for this one. Every time Clay cuts me off, let's remember that. But Clay actually will go and play basketball, and he is fit. He does run and stuff, and so he can, he's got stamina. And it's kind of funny because you could tell, Shep loves pickup basketball. And so sometimes we'll go places in Newport. pick up basketball with him and Clay will go out there and Clay's kind of a, you know.

Scrappy? Scrappy, that might be a nice way to say it. He does not look like a basketball champion, but he gets out there and he can stay with people. He's real, it's kind of fun. Hey, do you remember that time that I played pickup ball in Fayetteville? I don't know you should tell this story. Uh-huh. Let's just say I was the old guy.

Okay. And there was a group of young men playing ball. And I was in jeans and boots, not cowboy boots, but like hiking boots. And let's just say things didn't go so well for them. For the youngsters. You schooled them. And they got mad when they got mad at me. And I later came and apologized to him.

A young guy. When we saw him at Shepard. Or like these thursday. Basketball game that afternoon. And we realized, Clay spoke to a 13-year-old. It was kind of a sassy. There we go.

That is not true. You talked to him, too. I did not talk smack to him too. I did not talk smack. He didn't talk smack, but he wasn't humble. I mean, he was, it was like, if you're going to be the old guy and you're going to, like, take these little young teenage boys. I was very humble. I just didn't give him any slack.

And he got mad at me for playing defense too tough. Hey, laughs a hard. I did not. I never. breached my value system of... What'd you apologize for then? Well... Making him cry.

Actually, I can't really remember the details of the story. I just think you were a little bit content with yourself. I was. You kind of felt the... I'm sorry, everybody. Do you, like, point to this guy and yell woo after you score? In your face! Yeah, like not to him, but to...

It wasn't like that, but it was... It was the defense was just a little bit sassy. I mean, it was like, come on. These are teenage kids. So now the whole world knows all of my basketball highlights. That one time in Fayetteville and that one time at Clarksville. That's all. That's all there is.

There's nothing more. So, like, what did you think of the Bradleyville podcast? I thought that was good. I grew up in Dardanelle, so Clarksville's not too far from there. Yeah, that's right. Right over there. Yeah, it's good. Well, I mean, it didn't surprise me because you dig into history on this podcast.

So I wasn't surprised in the sports thing I thought was cool. Because you can think about how many games are played every year. year after year after year and people have records and teams and scores and whatever but they kind of get glossed over after a while because it's like current teams usually only care about what they're accomplishing.

I mean I wouldn't know when I was a kid it's like what have I done so to spend time on the story I thought it was valuable and interesting. Well it's of note that some of those records still stand in this day like the 64 game winning streak in Missouri high school

basketball. You know, Leon Combs said it's tied. There was a school that tied it, and I don't know that story, but that still stands. Dad, what did you think? You know, I thought of Hoosiers. I just thought, you know, we love a good sports story. I don't care if you're an athlete or not.

I mean, it just, everything is entwined in that thing. I mean, life, just whatever you want to dig out of it. The story was awesome, But all of the, like, hidden truths and character stuff was really, really amazing, you know, how these kids were coachable. You know, you gave the list of three things, you know. I mean, they were coachable. They were ready. They, you know, they did what it takes to be successful.

But they had to have some direction. They couldn't do it in the 50s because they had no gym. They had no direction. They get a little direction. You get some backing from adults. And I mean, they just go crazy. And, you know, it was beyond basketball to me. Yeah.

Well, there was so many stories. It was kind of like pick your story. Like this book is full. Mr. Leon Combs' book is just full of history. It's almost like a Bradleyville High School year book. You know, there's just all these pictures. He actually has pictures of the Howardville team that they beat. In the state playoff?

Yeah. And he went and interviewed those guys. And he did a great job in this book. But the pick your story thing, I chose Leon Boyd to kind of highlight as the one character from the team that I just had access to. He was just up there still in Bradleyville. A bunch of those guys are still alive. and David Combs was the hero of the 1968 team,

which is Leon Combs' cousin. He's one that passed away? No, that was Darrell Paul that passed away when he was 27. But David Combs, like there's a whole other story in him. David Combs was a big-time Coon Hunter, just like Leon Boyd. And the story of him going down to Arkansas Tech because the coach was a coon hunter. and there's pictures in the book of his coon dogs and him with his coon dogs. And there's so many things.

Actually, I'm now kicking myself because I didn't put this in the podcast. But there was a quote in the book about Leon Boyd. It said when he went down a hill in the Ozarks going to his dogs, it looked like a fallen star shooting down off the mountain because he was so fast going to his dogs. he was uh and that's the old man that we hunted with me and shepherd and uh man i just i just can't get enough of these older guys man leon boyd the last person on the planet that he expected to show up to his house was somebody wanting to put him on a podcast i mean like literally this guy i mean he has a flip phone he doesn't like i don't know if he's ever listened to a podcast

and he his humility I said it and I hope it made sense but it's like it protruded from him with great force. That's the way I described it. It's just like you're around him

and you're just like this guy is just so humble. He's so I don't know you meet some people that like that's not the way you describe him and it's not necessarily bad but you would say man he was charismatic or he had this or did this

it's like Leon Boyd was just like that's what came off of him. A lot of folks that you've talked to that have been highlighted on this thing, especially from that generation are like that. Yeah. You know, they take, and I don't know if they take solace in, like the basketball. They enjoyed that so much, but they were playing on a dirt floor, you know, on the ground. They were shooting hoops that the blacksmith made, but it wasn't picking cotton.

It wasn't moving rocks. It was something other than. that they could focus on. Yeah. And to this day, he's 78 now. He's 78. Yeah.

He's happy and content to talk to you about that and to go coo-nothing because it ain't picking cotton. It ain't moving rocks. It ain't, you know, they're satisfied and happy to be where they are in life. And there's a lot in that

to be in my world, in my way of thinking of being happy where you are. And if you're not happy, do something about it. You know, I'm happy. What did you think, Misty? Oh, I thought it was so entertaining. I really enjoyed it.

And I listened to all but the last five minutes of it was Shep. And so... Oh, what did he think? He really enjoyed it. And we would pause and talk about it. And it was really good. And I would say, now, which one was this? So I kind of heard some of the stories leading up to this.

Yeah. So I kind of knew what was coming. But I thought it was great. I want to tell this one story. and then I want to come back to specialization versus being a generalist and kind of qualify that statement. But I got to tell you this story. And it just didn't fit into the podcast.

But so Leon Combs, he's 87 years old. He was the main guy that carried us through the podcast. And he was as sharp as a tack. A lot of times I've interviewed a lot of older people. And sometimes, like, they've never listened to a podcast. So maybe they don't understand the medium. And man, he was just like, he sit down with me and he was just like, tell me what you need. And I said, well, I'm going to do a podcast on this, this, okay.

And he was just like so on point. And like he would say, now, would this story be relevant for you? And I'd be like, well, not really. And he was just really good. But he did tell me one story that I wasn't able to use. And I mean, he told it for me to put on the podcast if I wanted to. So I don't, he wouldn't mind me tell him. it. But he, when he was a toddler, his father murdered his mother, a murder suicide. And his,

so his mother and father passed away. They ship him out to California. For whatever reason, I don't know the details, but he went to California as a two-year-old. And then his, I wanted, some family member back in Bradleyville, Missouri communicates with them. And this is in the It would have been in the 30s, I think, when he would have been born, 87 years from right now. And the family member says, we'll take the boy. So they send him back, and the Bradleyville mailman delivers Leon Boyd to the man and woman that were related to him, but would become his father and mother. That is crazy.

And he never knew until he was older what happened. He just thought it was his dad. And he had like this wonderful great childhood and a really stable home. They were very poor, but it was a very stable home. And then Leon Combs goes on to become like extremely financially successful. I don't know this man well, but I cannot. He's been, let's just say, he's been very, very financially successful coming out of Bradleyville. And he said he was the first kid out of Bradleyville schools that went to college.

And he was in the military and he hitchhiked out west. And he just had this wild story. It's actually in this book right here. He gave me a book. I forgot about it. Okay, this isn't all about his life, but it's called Bradleyville, my hometown, a collection of short stories and memoirs. But anyway, Leon Combs, what a guy. Wow.

What a guy. Yeah. And so, you know, these are stories that you can't even tell. I mean, it wasn't a part of the basketball thing. Could have been a two-part series. Could have been. I have a basketball question. Is it common to tile a gym?

Maybe during that time, I don't know. Because it seemed like, man, they had to finish a halftime because they couldn't stay on their feet. They were slipping in it. I was like, tile, that sounds, yeah. Maybe back during that time, that's what they did. I don't know. Probably a financial deal. Hardwood would have been too expensive.

They only had $1,500 plus donations. Yeah. Yeah. So the general idea, like basically this story introduced us to another story that has more to do with life, which was, so when I first told Misty this story, this is where Misty's fingerprint is on Barry Grease in a lot of ways. I told her about Bradleyville and these guys being Coon Hunters, and she said, hey, you ought to talk about David Epstein's book about specialists and generalist. And I said, great idea. And we actually tried to get David Epstein on the podcast.

We had a very short time window. So perhaps he would, I'm certain he would need to probably come to the render with Tavern. Probably. Road on the elbow. We had like, it was a very short time window. We couldn't make it happen. So I brought in the expert, Misty. After you heard that conversation, do you think it came out the way we wanted it to?

Yeah, I think it came out. I thought it came out great. Shep and I were, you know, when we listen to podcasts together, we often stop them and give our own little sub-commentary. And on that part, you know, because he would like to be a specialist. I think he would prefer to be just a monofocus person. Yeah. It'd be easier for him to do that. That's an appealing proposition.

Yeah. It's just do the thing you love and nothing else. Yeah. Right? Right. I mean, that's an appealing proposition. Yeah. So we were talking, and Shep, he actually went and brought out another book when we started

talking about this, that he was reading back and that someone gave him about skill development and basketball. And he said, y'all should talk about this. And he talked about this guy was saying everybody should be, it was like the pro specialist argument that these guys make $17 million a year because when people throw them the ball, they can get a shot off fast and always make it. And he said this is a, and this was a book that Shep was reading. I don't even know where he got it from. And I was like, well, because I didn't like the argument. I was like, well, I said, you know, that's a pretty narrow, you know,

there have been, and I always tell the kids, there have been 3,000 people who played in the NBA their whole life. Get a plan B. You don't have any, any need to think that that's genetics are against you on this one. We don't have the height to play in the NBA. So anyway, so Shep... That's not what that boy in Fable thought when he played against me. Yeah, that's right. Oh, boy.

I taught him some life lessons. That dude's homeless right now. That's right. So, anyway, so Shep, but Shep said, well, he said, I don't agree with that. He said the counter, and he just volunteered this. He said, the counter argument on that is LeBron James gets paid, and he somehow knew LeBron James salary off the top of it. of his head because he can get shots off.

He can do this. He can do that. And he named all the things that LeBron James does on and off the court. It's like a good thinking, Shep. I mean, at least I don't think that success is really should be quantified in terms of the millions of dollars that you make. But I was, I was grateful he was thinking. Yeah.

Well, and I don't want to, if I could go back and redo the podcast, I would probably say that I think specializing is great. I mean, we need experts. There are things that I have specialized in that have made me an expert in this thing, quote unquote, at some level. And the only point I was making is that sometimes these other things

can make you even better than if you had just specialized in it. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, I think... I don't know that that was too clear, isn't it? Yeah, I think what we would say is that it's okay to have a thing you're really good at. Like, it's fine.

And probably there should be something in everyone's life that they spend 10,000 hours on and learn and get to do. But we should all be complex people. Like that's, I think that's the most important thing. On our end is that a lot of times you are a specialist at the cost of all these other things where specialization doesn't just speak to how you spend your time,

but it speaks to who you are. You are this thing. And what we want to communicate to our kids is you are not a basketball player, you are not a smart person, you are not a musician, you are first and foremost, a human being, a spiritual being, and someone that has a lot of complexity to them, put those things you like on that backdrop. Don't let those things be the backdrop for everything else. Yeah, I thought that was clear. It was a good point. It's not what you are, it's who you are. Last spring, Clay Newcomb and I collaborated with Jason Phelps at Phelps game calls

and building each of our own favorite turkey diaphragms called prime cuts. Now, I'm going to tell you, I love mine because it's easy to use. I'm not going to go, I'm not going to win a turkey calling contest. It's just not going to happen. But when I run this call, I get the sounds that gobblers are looking for. I have a great turkey hunting track record. If you go listen to real turkeys out in the woods, they're not going to win calling contests, right? That's who I listen to.

I can make those sounds on my cut. I also hunt with Phelps's cut, and I hunt with Clay's cut because they're all three great cuts. Check out Prime Cuts at Phelps Game Calls.com. I think you'll be glad you did, and you'll find out that the Steve Ronella cut is an easy-to-use cut for beginning callers who just want to start making good turkey noises and getting action. I noticed in my career that you had several types of highly successful people far above where I ever accomplished. And some of them were great CPAs that a guy kind of like me that was a generalist could use. And you pull this guy in and you call him,

off to the side and you go, hey, man, tell me what to do. You know, well, this guy's so good, he ends up like owning the world. But the guy that is a generalist hires people like that and pulls them in. He's got all these specialists around him. And a couple of them are just so sharp that all of a sudden they get up here and they kind of become generalists, but it's a personality thing. The crazy kid in college ends up with that personality where he can sell, he can communicate. And so, you know, you need both kinds exactly what you say it. Do you think I relayed your philosophy on bringing us up well on the

podcast and a few sentence I talked about it? Well, I thought so. I thought it was pretty clear. One thing that was real clear to me, though, was a spousal abuse deal. You came up with a new way for this hashtag let Misty speak. It's almost in reverse. I could not believe you did this, man. What did I do? What did the juju hears it? Oh, no.

What did I do? Okay. Here's what you did. You're asking Misty a question. And the question is, Why to rule communities like basketball so much? But before she had a chance to answer, you gave a, you gave like a 10-page dissertation on it. So by the time Misty had it, I mean, she was real polite.

And she, you know, she took her 10 seconds and tried to not make you look like an abuser. And she didn't say, remember, I'm the one that told you all that stuff you just said earlier. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to play golf tomorrow, but. And what made it even worse, once she so politely repeated a few of the things that you'd already said, because there was nothing else to say. She actually said that. You totally, hey, hey, hey, you totally ignored her answer and immediately said,

I wonder how many kids out there have killed bear and shot a deer with a, I mean, and, I mean, just totally, I mean, like, sorry, Missy. That's true. This could be taken to court. I just feel vindicated today. When this is over, we're toting you out on our shoulders. Hey, but it was good. You're right.

You have an awesome spouse. You have an awesome spouse. Remember that crow tavern was it talking about? Yeah. How's he taste? Yeah. It's great. This is my favorite.

Well, I did it another time, and this was, I mean, I'm aware of what's happening here. There was another time, and it just was the end. I wanted to ask Misty a question, but I had to put in something that I had said first, so I talked for a real long time, and then she got to talk. Do you know what part I'm talking about? No. Oh, you all didn't even catch it. I didn't.

Maybe I could get away with that again. You know, the truth is we all do that all the time. I mean, it's just, we ask a question. We already know the answer. We want to tell them what we think about it, and you just kind of, I don't know. We all do exactly. We all do exactly what you did at times. But anyway.

I actually, I did pick up on that. He's talking about it. Because I was there, too, and I also, what Clay cut out is when I looked at him, when he asked me that question, I said, you just answered it. She actually said. I did, and he cut that out. See, I'm not defending myself, but I did answer the question before she had a time to start. And she said, we just said it.

And then she went on it. So I had to cut that out. When you're building and editing a podcast and the Berggris Shrender is supposed to be behind the scenes of Bear Gras, there's sometimes just a quantity of information that has to be there. And that was all I had. It was real hard to get that audio because we're sitting there with parents and people. and we're in a basketball game

and it's like I just had this recorder and I pulled it out and I just do it real quick and I knew what I needed to be said and I wanted to include Misty in that because I had told him what needed to be said earlier

like on this exact topic not on the whole thing I wish Tavin were here it went over real well like everything you guys do it was good teamwork it worked well What was, I was going to ask one of you, what was the most, well, okay, I'll tell you what my favorite part was.

Every single time that I have listened to that basketball game, I don't even, I don't, like, I really wouldn't think like the recording of an old basketball game would, the four overtimes? Yeah, would like get me, like, emotionally stirred. I was listening to it in my truck and got cold chills, which is a rare thing for me. But I think just getting inside of this story and meeting these people and going to Bradleyville, you're kind of immersed into it, and you meet Leon Boyd, and you just see his life. And just the underdog nature of it. I mean. But when that old radio, da-da-da-da-da, here in Columbia, Missouri, the Bradleyville Eagles, playing the Howardville Hawks.

and then, you know, four over time, stream. I mean, it just was a neat. It was so cool. And I discovered that this audio recording was even available by Leon Combs. I didn't realize it, but the CD was in the back cover of the book. Yeah, how about that? And he said, yeah, you can use it.

Put it on there. And I just thought it was a neat. Did y'all think that was cool? Yeah, I thought it was super cool. It was really neat. You know, one thing I wanted to know was how tall is this Combs guy? I mean, did they have any big people on that thing? I wanted...

Six-three. There was three, six-three guys and then like a six-footer. That's pretty good. Five-ten. But see, they fouled out two guys that were six-six. And six-five, yeah. And that was part of their strategy. So if they hadn't had done that, I mean, their strategy worked.

Their plan worked. Yeah. And, I mean, you know, it's pretty incredible. Pretty incredible. Yeah. Bradleyville Eagles. So what was the most, what was the favorite part of the podcast, Brent? Like was there one spot that you're like, that was cool?

My favorite part was Shep. Really? Yep, at the end. Of course, I've known Shep majority of his life. And I know when he asked you the question, are we going to go back and see this guy? Are we going to be friends? You know, I think he took a lot of value. And I know a lot of it was just because of the basketball thing.

I know that. But I know that kid, and I know he had a good time when y'all went hunting up there. And he's a smart lad. And I think he was soaking up a lot of things and seeing a lot of potential and a lot of fun and good times that he could have being in the presence of that guy. So my favorite part was old Shep soaking it in and really digging what was going on up there beyond basketball. And something that happened before his daddy was even. born. Yeah.

Yeah. My chef's take on it was my... I put that on there because it actually surprised me. And I tried to say it in a diplomatic way. I didn't like Chef hear that part because I kind of knew it was coming. Shepp is not pumped about Coon Hunting. Like I've drugged a kid around his whole life.

Like Misty sent a picture on our family text thread today of a picture of all the kids with the dogs. And I mean, Shep's like that tall. And, you know, it's like, it's not always... It's fun. To be the youngest child. I mean, no telling how many coon trees he's been to. No telling how many coons he's carried out of the woods on his back, you know,

carrying him by the hind leg strode over his shoulder. It's just not his thing. Like, he's now 14, and he will go with me occasionally just because I'm like, come on, chef, let's go, and he'll come. He's your clay. Yeah. Is that right, Gary? He'll probably go play golf.

Actually, I don't think he will. He's had the opportunity recently, and he's just so, he is truly very, and I think that's part of what we've really challenged Shep to be is that's like, you know, at different seasons of your kid's life, you kind of focus in on different aspects of their character that you want to build. And that's our agreement with him, because we actually, we are letting Shep specialize more than we've ever let them specialize before. And we've been real slow at that. I mean, we have really, I mean, there are people. who truly believe that we have made mistakes, that we did not. They would be like athletic advisors type people, like coaches and other people. That we haven't done the, like, given him all the opportunities he needs to be developed at age 14.

And our thing with him is that, hey, we actually do feel like this is a season where we can let you expand a little bit. You're going into high school. He does have good character. He has, you know, he's outgrown. the context that he's been in. I had somebody ask me what our philosophy was with our kids, because I didn't want the podcast to be all about Shep. I just thought it was a neat.

I just wanted some complexity to the story, and that's why I was interested in the story because we love basketball. But Shepard has, ever since he was two years old, love basketball, and has really dedicated himself to it all these years. They went through the phase of, you know, I'm going to play in the NBA,

and we're like, no, you're not. This is never going to happen. and basically... Nothing like shooting a kid's dreams. Tell them, Misty. Okay. I'll tell them. Quickly.

I'm making a point here. The boys all... It's a joke in our family because one time we watched the NBA draft, Malik Munk was getting... And by the way, the night that Malik Munk from Arkansas got drafted, the announcer on ESPN said, now that guy shot more squirrels than anybody else

on this floor tonight. And I was like, almost crying. I was so proud. I was like, that's right, Malik, you have. There's a squirrel owner from Arkansas out there getting drafted. Malik, if you're hearing this brother, come on to the barrier area. We'll put you right beside tavern. Because that's what he talked about, being out in the Delta with his grandpa,

shooting hunting squirrels. But anyway, so the night he got drafted, we were watching, and the boys were just enjoying listening to all these little speeches that these guys were given about their mama and how she believed in them when no one else did. And Bozab boys said, man, if we ever get drafted, we're going to stand up and say, our mom told us from a very young age, genetics are against you. There's no chance you will ever into this spot.

She faithfully took us to practices, faithfully cheered us. But she did not believe in us. And I was like, I'm right, I told you that. Have a plan to do well in school. So Shepard was so, wanted to be so focused in basketball

that for years we just kind of, I never emphasized it. I never validated him that much. Just kind of just like whatever, basketball is not that important. And we pushed him away from it. And he stuck with it. And then basically a year ago at the time

when if they're really going to have a future in basketball are going to go for it, it's time to get behind them. So we actually had a family meeting where we sat down and we said, Shepard, you have all, these years, stayed dedicated to basketball. And I mean, I could go through all the stuff he does.

It's pretty incredible the amount of discipline that he has and how much he loves it. And I said, you have become what we wanted you to become. Because the last thing we wanted, Joel, was to have a kid that was like a superstar, ball hog, like, arrogant little punk kid that's a star basketball player. We've all seen him. We didn't want that. Who was a star basketball player but had no moral character? Right, right, right.

And so... And he can't... Yeah. Yeah. It's like we didn't want him, his identity to be, I am a star basketball player. Who also has an age limit on when that's... I mean, that identity... Only lasts so long.

Yeah. And so, as I found out after my night in Clarksville... Except for that one afternoon in Fayetteville. Yeah, and then 20 years later, they'll probably make a podcast about that one day. So the... So, Shep was just... disciplined, Shep's deep,

the biggest thing we're working on Shep right now inside of basketball and the levels he's playing in is to shoot it rather than pass it.

Like we taught him like, don't be a ball hog. If you score all the points and nobody else scores points, that's bad. Like we really trained him a certain way of thinking about sports

and it's become ingrained in him and it's become his default. And then this year, we said, hey, you're better than the rest of these kids. You passed. You passed.

The coaches were like, shoot. You passed. That's the test. Now we're going to get behind you. And we're going to talk about a formal declaration of intent. And we're going to get behind you and say, okay, now we're going to let you specialize. So if I could say it that way.

And so he tried out for a team. He's on that team. I'm going to have to pause you there, though. I mean, we told him we're going to get behind you. We're going to support you. We're going to let you try out for some teams that were bigger. than the context that he was in at that time. But our deal with him was that as a high schooler,

he's got the internal maturity to now say, I have to be responsible for my own character. And the phrase we gave him is panoptic management. We want him to be complex, not simple. And so he's got, there's bargains. This is a deal. And we don't want him to have one muscle that's really strong and the rest of his body that's weak

and not able to do anything. So I want his room clean. I want him to do the chores. them to have good grades in school. Shep is real smart and he should have a plan B. I'm not sure where the height gene that he got is going to take them. And even if it did take them to places, I would want him to have character when he got there and be able to be complex, be well read, be educated, do those things.

So that's what I meant on the podcast when I said we do sports, but we do it on our terms. I don't want it to sound like we're trying to push our kids away from. specialization because specialization can be good that you just need more and it's helpful to have more and so that's why like i was talking about shever not liking coon hunting so much that's why when we came away from leon boyd's house shepherd instigated that conversation there was no mics going like the last thing he thought was i was going to talk about what he was saying to me i mean we're pulling out of the driveway and he goes dad are you going to be friends with mr Leon like you are James and I just looked at him and I was like trying to figure out what he was

asking and I just gave him a real practical answer I said I mean you know Shep I just met Mr. Leon I don't you know he's a very nice man we had a great time with him he lives a long ways from us I mean I don't know that I'm going to be able to come back over here that much and he like he said dad I don't think it's right for you just have him on your podcast and that's us never come back over here. And I said, do you want to come back over here? And this is a boy who's not pumped about Coon Hunting. And he said, yeah.

And he, I love that because Leon Boyd is just the kind of guy that you would want your son to look up to. And Shep liked it that he was a ball player. But it just, I could tell Shep just liked this old man. And that's good. Yeah. I liked it. Like Leon Boyd has character. I didn't hear it in the podcast, but Leon Boyd played basketball on organized basketball until he was 70.

Yeah. And he got a shoulder injury, Coon Hutton, and had to stop. That's right. I thought that was a pretty cool, pretty cool way to go out in a blaze of glory. Yeah. Way, baby. Talking about a kid specializing, I hired a guy one time to be a banker out of college for one reason on his resume. He was the top three-point shooter at his college.

And really, maybe I didn't have the original thought, but the guy and myself that were hiring him, the guy, he pointed out anybody that is the top three-point shooter in their conference in college is going to be a top banker. or whatever field they get into. And sure enough, this guy was a whiz bang. And, I mean, he's just skyrocketed. Really?

Yeah. I know what you're talking about. He actually got out of banking, and I would just bet that he's really, really done well. I know when I checked on him 10, 15 years ago, he had done really well. Do you think it's from a confidence level? Well, it's discipline. Yeah. You know, if I'm a loosey-goosey guy and I don't finish projects and I just monkey around,

well, I'm going to be the same way when I go to work for you. But if I'm, I got my act together and I'm shooting a thousand shots a day, I'm going to shoot a thousand shots for you when I go to work for you. So, I mean, there's a lot to be said. Now, if that's all he can do is shoot, I mean, as you're moving through this shooting process, you've got to develop a personality. where people like you. You can communicate.

You can sell. Kevin knows that. I think what you're talking about, too, is drive. And I think that's the thing about with sports, with hunting, with whatever you've got your kids interested in, I do think it's important to let them have things they're passionate about because it produces that drive. You can't, it's hard. I mean, there's some things, there's some subjects in school that we just have to make our kids work hard at. when your child is motivated towards something, I think, and that's what I love about sports,

is that it is a place to really develop character. And it's the same thing I like about hunting. Like when Bear went hunting last year, to me, it doesn't really matter as long as it's, you know, wholesome stuff, what they're into. It's good to let kids have passions. It's good to let them care about something because that drive produces things in them because they want to do it. And so that drive helps them learn discipline, learns how to take defeat.

learn how to you learn how to take all the different challenges that come into stuff. So it's good to, my concern with the current generation would be that there's a lot of kids out there that don't really have drive for much at all. And so it's good to let them go find drive and to identify things that would distract you from finding things you're passionate about and limiting those things. And even in losing Leon Combs won two games in four years. Yeah. But he went on to be successful because, you know, he stayed with it for four years. And one of my favorite parts was when he said, you know, we got beat 64 to 6. But he couldn't wait to get to the next game.

And you ask, I wonder why. it's so he could bounce a basketball on a hardwood floor yeah i mean yeah it's like you know if you've been in a box your whole life and you get to look out every now and then i mean that looking out yeah you get slapped in the face when you look out yeah yeah yeah i mean so anyway yeah that that was interesting one thing leon combs this is totally off the off the topic of sports Leon Combs, he told me when he went out into life, he lived this very isolated rural life in the Ozarks. And he said that old timers used to do what they call saucer coffee. Yeah.

Have you ever heard of that? Yeah. Oscar Newcom did that. No way. Yeah. Tell us what it is. Well, I don't know. I've never heard of it.

Talk is like a professional, but he would just take his coffee and put it in his saucer and drink it out of his saucer to cool it off. That's exactly. Yeah. Mr. Leon Boyd said that when he went, I think he went out to California when he was like 19 or something, and he saucered his coffee, and he said the people made fun of him. And he was like, what?

We get made fun of for this? We don't saucer coffee in California? And he said, yeah, you get a cup of coffee, hot coffee, and you pour it into a saucer so that it has the surface area is spread out, and you can blow, blow and saucer. Saucer and blow. and then you drink it out of the saucer like a little plate. Hey, Joel.

Yeah. Tell us just a little bit about sweet tea films where people can find Tabbin. I'm sure he's back with Mimaw by now. Oh, for sure. Tavind Dillard podcast. I can find that, you know, wherever they listen to podcast. Sweet Tee Films or Tavindillard.com are both the same things. Okay.

And that's where you can find all the work I'm up to in the stuff that I'm doing. I will say what we've been talking about with, and I know you've got to wrap up, but I've talked to a lot of college students over the years about their craft because a lot of people want to make it in film. And one of the things I've repeated,

which is true for anything in life that we've been talking about, is one of the things I say often is you've got to, first of all, you can't just have a paper resume, your portfolio matters in the arts, which means if you say I directed a film, it could have been a horrible film, but if you show someone your film, they can say,

okay you've done it I said so first of all your portfolio needs to exist like you need to be out there doing the work before you get hired anywhere the other one is uh be on time and be easy to work with and that's true for any but that's those disciplines that show up over time and then it really is how you relate to people I think Gary mentioned that the coach's approach and how the players like no he he wasn't mean he didn't yell he didn't show up and scream but he worked hard but he there's there's actually a way to communicate and I think some people buy in to to, well, that's great, but I can get stuff done this way. But over the long haul, if we're mistreating people and getting good results,

over the long haul, you look back and there's a lot of damage that's been done that could have been avoided. You actually could have had a bigger impact if you kind of done it kindly or more, I guess, right in a way. So that's something that I was thinking through about this specific episode that you did. and then also just approaching kids and careers in general. It's true. Those things never got a style. Yeah. They work in every field.

Right. Be easy to work with. That's right. Yeah. Any field you go in, that's going to be helpful. Yep. Yeah. To that point, we would, well, I won't say.

I was going to slanderize an NBA player. Whoa. Another conversation that Shep and I had recently about probably one of the greatest NBA players that's alive today is basically. is basically untradable because he's so stinking hard to work with. We won't mention his... Cut that, Isaac. We won't mention his name.

Yeah. Yeah, it's just been interesting to watch that... It's been interesting to watch this trade season because there's some pretty amazing players out there, and no one wants them. You know, the points that you're making there, you had these kids that were just hungry. I mean, you don't see that anymore.

You had a coach that was... that was compliant and loving and kind. And the reason he could do that, you got all these players just going, yes, sir, yes, sir, okay, okay. I get to run 10 miles today, all right. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That doesn't happen. I mean, that was one time in the last 50 years. That's probably happened. And they won state championships. And so it's just kind of proof that there's more to the recipe than just discipline this. I mean, there's a bunch of stuff thrown in a pot. Yeah.

And it's tough to get it. In this day and time, these kids, you know, sometimes they're called snowflakes and things. You know, I think I'm probably an old snowflake. But, I mean, you know, it's just our society, we're so impressionable. I mean, you can just tell a kid he's great. He thinks he's great. You can tell him he's terrible. He thinks he's terrible.

It's kind of dangerous, really. And we're telling our kids a bunch of stuff today that might not allow them to win a state championship. What if there was just no state? What if they finally got down to the final game and they were just like, no, we can't do this. Everybody gets a trophy. Yeah, or everybody gets a trophy.

They're like, no state championship game. You don't deserve it. Get back into reality. Yes. Well, great podcast. Joel, is there anything else you want to tell us before we leave? I think I've told you everything I know. As far as I know, everything in my head.

Great. I appreciate you guys having me. Check out Tavin Dillard on TikTok and Instagram. All you cool young people like me that are on TikTok, all these other old people, like everybody in this room, everybody in this room except for me. Joel Berry is not on TikTok. Taven is on TikTok. Tavan is. Hey, he's a correction.

Oh, what do you mean on TikTok? Okay. Do you have TikTok? But I got rid of it once I found out what the Chinese are doing to us. Here, so did I. I mean, you know, first thing on TikTok, first thing on TikTok, I had to go through and clean it up, you know. Yeah, because it's filthy. It was terrible.

Oh, wow. And so I went through and said, I'm not interested, not interested. Right, right. You know, my carnal side was going, what? But, you know, you see, clean it up and it's really, really good. But then I find out that they're checking on me, you know what I mean? So, I mean, I don't know. I tend to believe it.

They're going to get me. Because we used to hear that three or four years ago, and we just kind of blew it off. And now it's coming up again. Well, I think, just to be fair, I think that TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, all of them are checking on us. I mean, everybody's got our data. Oh, yeah. I don't know why I'm so self-righted. about it with TikTok.

But it also runs your battery on your phone. Just because it's China. Just because it's China. Battery management. Yeah, battery management. I think that it's a real testament to how cool Clay is that he's on TikTok because he refers to it as the talk. Wow, that's even cooler.

And I'm not even sure that anyone else refers to it as the talk. But when you put the in front of it. Yeah. The Walmart. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. The internet.

The internet webs. That's right. Our kids laugh at Clay because he listens when he, he, he, he, He doesn't really spend a ton of time, believe it or not, on Instagram or TikTok or anything. That's right. But when he does, he watches the reels all the way through at full volume. And apparently that's not cool because when he does it, all of our kids will look at each other. And I mean, he puts it up, and Clay can't hear great.

So, I mean, the volume is like super. And he doesn't listen. Super loud. And so he's watching it. And it's like blaring. And we're all just watching. I'm like, this is not how you watch. It's not how you do this.

And he just sitting over there. They're laughing and it's kind of funny. It's all the kids. It's pretty entertaining, really. It's very entertaining to me. The one that you're in, the lady that goes down and opens up the rooster's cage every morning. She's got the robe on and she's looking to see if the camera's going to take so forth on it. It's really funny.

That was you, I'm sure. Yeah, it was me. Yeah. Every day is like a battle. Just you have to work yourself up to get in there. Well, Gary and Misty has sidetrack. The end of the Bear Greas render wrap up. It's great to see everyone.

Joel, thank you for coming. Thanks for having. Really appreciate it. Yeah, I'm glad to be here. Tadd Dillard, check him out, Sweet Tea Films. And, yeah, we'll see you next week on the real Bear Grease podcast. I need to know what I stand to win. Last spring, Clay Newcomb and I collaborated with Jason Phelps at Phelps Game Calls,

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