Beef And Dairy Network - Episode 128 - Dean Lamp Goes Undercover

Episode Date: November 27, 2025

Dan Thomas and Linnea Sage join in this week as we catch up with career criminal Dean Lamp.Stock media provided by Setuniman/Pond5.com and Soundrangers/Pond5.comMusic credit courtesy of epidemicsound.com:Purple Moon/Edith AveryThe Spy/Wendy MarciniHaunted Mind/Etienne Roussel 

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Dean Lamp is a career criminal, who he first met when he had shared prison time with the much-loved entertainer, Cidonian, in Turkey. He contacted Dean and he said that he would love to meet, but that we'd have to meet in secret in his car. Dean, is that you? Yeah? Yeah. Get in. Sorry, what's that?

Just get it. Just get in. I just shut it up. Did anyone follow you? Immediately, Dean seemed shifty. Now, just to paint a picture for the listener where in a car park of an ASDA supermarket, in Swansea. Somewhere in South Wales. Let's not get specific, right? Yeah, but Swansea, yeah.

Yeah. As the Cup, right? As the Cup, yeah. Why was this also cloak and dagger? You're probably wondering why? Well, yeah, because normally we'd meet in a studio or I'd come to your home and we'd record... Yeah, well, I've got to be careful at the minute,

because I'm on a job. I was pleased to hear that Dean had got a job so quickly after his release from prison. Basically, you ever read the phrase poacher turned gamekeeper Yeah I'm doing that now Right okay

So you were a poacher you were a That was a horrible thief And now I am not that Wow Well that's great to hear You've turned your back on crime No no no no I haven't I've turned my face on the crime

I'm facing crime And I'm keeping an eye out for it Oh Yeah Dean you're not a A policeman now are you What's one step down from that nurse but no wait but i'm not a nurse i'm i'm a the traffic warden no no one up from that okay

i keep guessing okay um rac driver then no it's about yes i'm around that level of racc driver is about the level i man you know you know what they say on you know they show the wire librarian like no no listen to what i'm saying right you know they had CIs sorry i don't know what you're talking about CIs I'm a CI Oh, okay, okay. So you're working for the police? Sort of loosely a branch of the police, yeah. Okay. Department of Rural Affairs, which are harder than the police. A lot of them are ex-military.

So hang on, you're working as an informer for the Department of Rural Affairs. Yeah. Right, okay. Okay, I feel like... Vice squad. Okay. They got a vice squad. Okay. I have to say, I was surprised that Dean was now working for the police. especially given his past. Dean, last I heard from you,

you've been sent to prison for driving a fire engine into an IKEA. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Basically, what had happened was, you know, I was doing a lot of crimes? Remember that?

You were a career criminal. Career criminal, yeah. And I, it turns out, when I was in prison, I ended up talking to a psychiatrist and they said, you're doing a lot of crimes and a lot of them are pretty,

a lot of them, I get, they're like, you know, the stealing and all that. Some of them are pretty fucking wax. they said like you could have just you don't have to get a turkey to steal up a jewel daggy a twat they said and i'm similarly driving a fire engine into an ikea that one was and there was like that's the other example they used they said that's what for who's that for i was like yeah because i didn't even nick anything when i got in there i just got out and said whoops right so why were you doing

that right we got at the bottom of it me and the psychiatrist right right she was like i think that your brain only operates correctly if you you're you are, if you commit a crime every, let's say, day or so. You're not like some people need a cigarette or a cup of coffee in the morning. Equivalent for me is driving a fire engine like, yeah. So it's kind of a compulsion. A compulsion. I got like a mental thing. They did a brain scan on me.

So they put another scan as you get in red. Right. They made me, I wear one of them, and they scanned it while I did a crime. Okay. So they give me different crimes to do. Right. Like... Is that ethical, someone from a prison getting someone to do a crime?

Well, they won't make me shoot somebody. They were just, they were trying on low-level crimes. Okay. Like, so they put the scanner on me. Could they not simulate a crime in some way? Maybe like a little, you know, hitting a mannequin of a, like, of a kid with a cricket bat? I have to know it's a crime. In my head, if I hit a mannequin with a cricket bat, in my head I'm going like, oh, that's three years.

It's not, it's nothing. There wasn't anything you for hitting a mannequin. Right. Okay. I suppose if you did it in like a primer, they'd have a word. Yeah. But you're not doing time. Okay, no, I understand.

No one's in Guantanamo for hitting, like, a display in, like a BHS. No. I mean, I think I'm right in saying you've never been to Guantanamo yourself. That's not the sort of crime you've been doing. I mean, I went there an holiday. I'm never using that travel agent again. I mean, it'd be warm, right? Well, yeah, but also your ankles are shackled.

Oh, sorry, I thought you ended up in a hotel next to the, you're actually in... Well, there's a mind feeling next to the Guantanamo. they're not putting a holiday in. That's a mind. Have you seen the end of bad boys too? You can't, no, they've been there. Basically, the way they do it, listen, the American government, and I don't think I'm telling secrets out of school when I say this,

is short on cash right now. So they started doing Guantanamo, not all of it, but bits of it, as an Airbnb. Right, so as inmates die from either natural causes or from being tortured. They go, well, that's another 50 quid a night. I mean, they're sell-cle, they don't even mop it down, because it's like, part of the thrill is,

you're having the authentic Guantanamo experience. I swear to God. You have three nights there. Like maybe I did do 9-11. That's how much... They do shackle you up. The food's terrible. So then they're having a lovely time.

Then someone will say, right, time with the waterboarding. And I'm like, I love waterboarding. And then you get in there, it's like, hang on, I'm thinking a bodyboard in, yeah? This is different. They put a flannel on my face and ask me questions. Because it's an Airbnb, it's like, was your host friendly?

Would you come here again? Oh, you know, I like that. They're not asking me whether or not I bombed, like, Lebanon and nothing. They're just asking if I had a good time. And I'm like, no. During his time in prison, through his work with the prison psychiatrist, Dean realized that his record of offending was something that he physically could not help. I need to commit crimes in order to feel normal.

Right. And functional. And you were saying that they would put a scanner on your head while you were doing low-level crimes. What kind of crimes are we talking about? I mean, really low-level. There was like photocopying multiple copies of sheet music. Take that, Mozart.

Yeah. And ripping the tags off mattresses. Not allowed to do that. Right. And then sometimes they would have me fill in like a government form, like, you know, the Inland Revenue, and, you know, they have the option of, you know, Mr, Mrs, Other. And I would tick Other and put Duke.

Okay. Is that a crime or something? Is that just not filling out a form of correctly? I got a high off it. Okay. So basically... If I think it's a crime, I get off on it. That's quite a hopeless state to be in, isn't it?

Well, that I'm doing a thing I love. The idea that you're going to spend the rest of your life going to prison every so often because you can't stop doing these things, no matter how much you love them. You ever driven a fire engine into an IKEA? Have you ever known the beauty of the moment where the glass bit near the escalator just tinkles as it shatters? the moment of the splash and the screams and the splats of the wet meatballs

as you train that hosepipe on that deli counter they have there. It's the most beautiful moment of my entire life and I got three kids and they were there screaming, Dad, stop this. After his work with the psychiatrist, the police decided that in order to keep Dean out of prison

they would work with him and not against him. We had a chat in the police and we've come to sort of an understanding so basically they're going to let me do low-level crimes right and that is enough of a what would you call like a methadone like a placenta

placebo that's placebo lovely so I'm having a placebo for it which is just to do little crimes I see yeah so what kind of things are they allowing you to do again photocopying sheet music picking wildflowers when it says you can't

do you want a wanker sign and a vicar the kicker though is that while I am allowed do these things. I'm going to do something for them. What does that involve? I mean, just looking at you, I haven't yet mentioned it, but you are dressed in quite an extraordinary way. I think so. Is this a disguise? It is. It is, but it's also very comfortable.

I mean, to describe it, it's like a sort of, a very natty, blue and white striped suit with a little hat, with a tiny little peak. It looks like you're dressed like a an airline pilot of some sort? So basically, yeah, this look is a authentic, World War II period pilot outfit. Well, like a fights pilot. No, no, like you said, like an airline pilot,

like an airline pilot from the 40s. Right. So basically I'm dressed like an airline pilot because everybody changed the airline pilot looks since 1923. Yeah. So, I mean, the writing on the side of, they're called epaulettes?

Epilette, yeah. That's in Cyrillic alphabet. Well, I don't know where they got it. So this was given to you by the police? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they had loads of them. So this is like, well, like an undercover outfit that they would use... Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bit like, you know, when somebody gets cast to the new Doctor Who,

they just let them go through the cupboards at the BBC. They're exactly the same at the Department of Rural Affairs Vice Squad. Right. They've got tons of costumes. I had tons of options. I could have been this. Yeah. I could have been... David S. Pumpkins from SNL.

I remember that, yeah. Yeah. I could have been, you know, Clive Dunn's tree costume from Dad's Army. Oh, the bit of the end, as you've been watching and he's... And he's dressed as a tree. Yeah. That, they've got it now.

If anyone's listening to, I wonder what happened to that? Department of Rural Affairs Vice Squad's got it. Right. And the other one was just fish nets, but you can see my willie. So the idea of an informant, of course, is that you can kind of blend in with the criminal elements that you're trying to get information from. Yeah. It doesn't sound to me as if the people you're trying to ingratiate yourself with our fellow airline pilots, given that it's the work of the Department of Rural Affairs.

I know, but this was the only thing that fit me. Right, okay. So what is it that the police and the Department of Rural Affairs want you to do? The Department of Rural Affairs is trying to take down the cartel, a.k.a. the bovine farmers union. Wow. Yeah. That's, okay.

Yeah. So you're playing with fire here? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they are powerful. Oh, they, oh, they're like, oh yeah, the, oh, foch, they, they're like a mafia with milk buckets. Now, I guess my next question is, how does dressing up like an airline pilot from the 40s, but, and looking at it probably from the Soviet bloc, yeah, given all the Cyrillic lettering? That would make sense, yeah. Yeah.

How does you dressing up like that and then sitting in a car park of a supermarket at night, how is that helping you get information about the bonus? Oh, it's not at all. Right. No, no, no, I just want to get away from the wife. Right, sorry, I'm a bit confused. So how is it you're managing to help the Department of Rudolfes? Ask me when my wife is. Who's your wife?

Sue Gooseberry. Sue Gooseberry has been a powerful figure in the bovine farmers union since the mid-80s and currently holds the role of treasurer. The internal machinations of the bovine farmers union are not known to the outside world, but it is rumoured that Goosebury, as the one holding the... purse strings holds the balance of power. You're married to the Bovine Farmers Union treasurer Sue Gooseberry? Yeah. Yeah. The Capo del Tootie. It's like a honey trap thing.

I see. So you're not really in love with her. Oh, shit. She's your target. She's my target, yeah. You're a Matahari kind of. I'm exactly like a Mataari. I'm like a sexy woman spy, dressed like a pilot. So is that why you're dressed as a pilot? Because that makes more sense because women love a sexy pilot, right? That's right, because an airline pilot from the 40s is the sexiest thing Allman's ever seen.

Right, so this is making sense now of why they gave you that outfit. Because you look good, in it, Dean. I mean, it's a few sizes too small for you. Well, that's how she likes it, because you can see every curve. So you're married to Sue Gooseberry. Yeah.

Talk me through how that happened. So they said to you, this is our target. Sue Gooseberry, she's right at the top of the Bowman Farmers Union. We need someone to marry her, and you're the man. Is that how it went? basically they said we need somebody to get in there and seduce her right so what they did was because i don't know if you know this i don't know if you know this but the government has got access to literally

everything we do online right so they hacked into her uh data insight on beef encounter oh i see so they know exactly the type of man that she's looking for i see and luckily they had me and i matched the profile brilliantly she likes Russian airline pilots so i got the outfit yeah she likes pale men with patchy beards yeah uh athletes foot loves that so they sent me in so tell me about that that first meeting was it done through beef and counter

did you yeah they've done through beef and counter it was like an online date online date I I started because obviously I had all the key information from what the boys had given me in the backroom boys right about what her peccadillias were yeah so what I did was because I knew everything about it she liked the Russian outfit thing I took a picture myself

took a selfie in the outfit in the outfit yeah put that online and she immediately like a four minutes she'd swiped beef wow so gooseberry means business she is sending me the most erotic texts

that I've read outside the self-penned erotic pornography of the inmates of Guantanamo Bay oh they're into that are they well you know some American prisons they do like number plates Guantanamo they make them write

fucking cock stories so gooseberry's hot for you yeah because obviously you know we we all remember cedric gusbury her late husband huge figure in the bovine farmers union himself she actually took over from him to become the treasurer so i think many people listening will be saddened to hear that you're capitalising on her loneliness you know because of cedric's absence now i i i know what you're saying She was clearly very much in love

And in fact, on the very first night That me and Sue spent together She actually in a way He paid homage to him She gave me his custom-made gimp mask Oh, what was custom about it? Well, it's a treasurer of the Beauvine Farmers Union on it Oh, right.

There's not, I assume not a lot of them Oh, of course, because he, yes, he was, I remember now, he was presented that for 25 years service. Is that where it's from? Yes. Some people get a clock. incredible event, actually. It was really emotional to watch him zipping that on. Beautiful leather work on that thing. It is got the stitching. Yeah. Anyway, so you put that on and got to work.

Well, you know what they say. If you do what you'll have, you don't work a day in your life. So it was work that night, yeah. So even though Sue was keen on you, because obviously you were the man of her dreams, according to her dating profile, she's not maybe the dream woman that you thought about? Sue Gusbury is a six-foot-two Amazonian blonde with eyes you just want to get lost in, buttocks that won't quit, a rippling six-pack. Yeah, I mean, she's a physical specimen, right? I mean, she famously competed for East Germany, I think, in the 1988 Solar Olympics in the javelin. I'm going to take your word for that. There was a javelin in the room, now I think about it, and I'm glad that's what it was.

Yeah, so, I mean, she's a catch. Yeah. I don't think it's rude for me to say, Sue Guisbury's a catch. Yeah, yeah, she's not my type at all. Oh, really? No, no, I like my woman to be about five or two, five of three, really stocky from the waist down. I like a woman, when you look at her across a bar or a cocktail bar or a, just the genius bar at an apple store, you just go, there's a woman who can push two ton of coal up a hill and not even think about it. Okay, right, okay.

So you're looking for a kind of industrial revolution? Yeah, I'm looking for an industrial strength woman. right so for you it's all about strength I mean yeah but you know what I like but also coquettish okay

like I want a woman who goes I could trample you to death with just my toes but also oh cheeky okay so like a pit pony that's been given a nice a good brushing

and maybe they've done the main you know they've sort of platted the main and is that getting you going that thought of that kind of I'm picturing it Hang on, give me a sec. Yeah, it's that.

I'm not going to tell you what's going on. Sexy pit pony. Yeah, yeah. In fact, looking back, I'm wondering, you know, poor disco lighting, I think a couple of them might have been a pit pony. A couple of your previous partners. Yeah. No, I think about it.

That explains a lot of the pillow talk and the metal shoes. So regardless of your own personal peccadillos when it comes to the opposite sex, or indeed in other species, that didn't really come into it, do it? Because this was your job. Yeah, it's my job. I've got to have sex with a six or two blonde. Right. So tell me through how you got from the stage of, you know, potential beef encounter one-night stand over a dating app to marriage. Well, it was a big night because we went for a couple of drinks and then basically, she said, do you want to get married? Wow, okay. In that same night? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. I think one, two, third drink.

I mean, you've talked about wearing the custom gimp mask. Did that come before this or after? So I'm just trying to piece together the evening. Where did you meet? We met in the Ebbaville Botanical Gardens. Right, okay, so quite classy first date then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Trip to a gardens.

Yeah. How soon before you were guessing agricultural, if you know what I mean? I mean, talk me through this date. Because you were wearing a Gip mask, you were proposed to. This is an extraordinary night. Oh, yeah, yeah, it was a big night. Basically, we went to a cafe to run to the cafe. And luckily, in Ableville, it's just ice cream crisps.

But these people, these people do moonshine. So we got pretty hammered pretty quick. It was just 40 afternoon. And this is, so it's like a, how many picture it is? Is it like an arboretum or is it like, is it under a big glass dome? Yeah, it's, you'd be nice. Yeah, it's like under the big glass tomb. It's an arboretum.

I mean, there was just four in the afternoon. There was kids running around. Right. Initially, and then she made me a gimp mask on, and then the kids sort of scattered, which I think is probably good. I think they thought I was Darth Vader or a Dalek or something. Right.

So, hang on. Did the coitus take place at the arboretum? Yes. Right. So you get there, you have a look around the trees, look at the plants, and then one thing needs from another. Sorry, that's not how my dates, you know, have gone historically.

Well, how do your date's go? Well, if I'm at an arboretum, I'm not sort of getting my knob out. That's one of my red lines, really. Is it? Yeah. But people are different. I understand that. Yeah, I'm...

Like I said, I was on the job. Of course, yeah. So I did this for King and Country. Yeah. I get it. But Sue Goosbury is a kind of upstanding member of the... She wasn't standing up for the whole afternoon. I'll tell you right now.

Seems like I got to be in the cactus trees. Oh, right. Hang on, you had sex with it up against a cactus? Not up against a cactus. Think about that for a second. No, no, you picture that. You picture slamming a woman up against, or anyone. That's why I was incredulous.

Yeah, no, it was on the floor by it. Near a cactus. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That doesn't tally with the Sue Gooseberry, I know, like her public face. Well, you haven't even been behind a cactus with it. I've not been behind a cactus with it, but as the kind of very staid, prudent, treasurer of the bovine farmers union,

she gives off a vibe of someone who's a bit more. Reserved. Well, where do you think Sue Guzbury wants to be fucked in, based on your knowledge of her, if not being a cactus in Eboovale? I don't know. Let me ask you, when you picture Sue Guzbury getting a back door smashed in by some bloke who's wearing her dead husband's custom-made gimp mask from work, where do you see it happening? Okay, look, I'm feeling I'm a bit at sea on this topic, to be honest, and I don't feel that

comfortable talking about Sue Gooseberry in this way, if I'm honest. Do you see pictures? there's one Jesus Christ How soon after that initial date until you got married? One, two, three, four, 15 hours. It was 15 hours?

Yeah. Right. So you couldn't have gone to a proper church. Oh no, you couldn't book that. Luckily, you know those sort of little sort of chapels you can get married in in Vegas? Oh yeah, get married by Elvis or whatever, yeah. Exactly like that.

So we had something a little bit similar. we had a little chapel that's just for this sort of thing painted pig and we had an impersonator as well trouble is like I said we had 15 hours to book it

so the Tom Jones was gone the Shirley Bassie's gone we ended up with Anthony Hopkins Tribute Act right next to the vicar like So it's signs of the lambs Yeah you just got He didn't do any songs

And you can't dance to that So quite a creepy wedding then No only that bit other than the fact That I'm wearing a gimp mask And she's old in a vase Full of her dead husband Oh so Cedric was there

Yeah in the vase I should tell you this he wasn't even cremated I don't know what she did do but I opened the lid at one point when she wasn't looking at it it was just

sort of a beef jelly So I'm just trying to build a mental picture of this wedding you've got a man And it is a mental picture in it You've got a man Pretending to be Hannibal Lecter Hannibal Lecter

Yeah Yeah And then you've got you wearing a gimp mask And then she's holding A vase full of paté That's her husband Yeah

Ex husband Or former husband Former husband Yeah. Karen Patti, former husband. Oh, I'll tell you this as well. Turns out the Anthony Oppins book. We thought he came with a booking. When we've left, the vicar goes, does he go with you?

I said, doesn't he work? Yeah. He said, no. We thought he was with you. We're like, fucking, why would I bring in? So he was just a member of the public? He said, he's a nutter. He followed us row for two weeks.

We had two weeks on honeymoon on the Amalfi Coast, and he came with us, and he fucking ruined it. So hang on, you're in the Malfi Coast, going around the lovely hamlets and villages and towns, and having a nice pizza and drinking a limoncello and the whole time there's a Hannibal Lecter impersonator

right near us and when that wasn't happening people were stopping have an autograph with him are you Anthony Hopkins and he fucking lie and say yes I mean I finally had to get rid of him because we found him eating the patty

oh the um the Cedric pattern yeah yeah yeah yeah I guess the next stage then is to get that information out of her and start sending it back to the top yeah first how's that going is she seeing like

Canary or are you having a hard time getting stuff out of her? Are you helping in the battle against what the Bovine Farmers Union are doing? It's a long game. So far, all I've got is a Paramount Pass. And nothing down. They didn't, that's not very helpful. So, no, she hasn't told me much. So in order to sort of jeer along, I've told her absolutely everything about the Department

of Rural Affairs. Ah. So hang on. You've told her that you're a plant from the Department of Rural Affairs and that your marriage is a sham. Yeah, I did mention that one time. I just thought, you know, people say, you know, you've got to give something to get something back. So I've been given a blueprint of the building, accidentally may have doxed some of the higher people up in the Department of Rural Affairs. One guy's dead.

So essentially, you've done the exact opposite of what you were meant to do, which was... I mean, how does she feel about the fact that her marriage is a sham? It's not really, she doesn't see it as being a sham if I'm still doing it while wearing a dead husband's gimp mask. She's still getting what she wants out of it, plus some blueprints. Right. Yeah. I think I'm fucked up there. What do your handers make of this?

They've stopped faxing. And I tell you, when they stopped faxing, was after I gave her their home addresses. This is all starting to piece together now. Yeah. Yeah, that explains why I got that hand in the post. Right. Yeah. Which is weird, because I live with her, so she mailed it to herself.

I mean, is it not possible that she's been putting the strings the whole time? I mean, she's got her perfect husband. Yeah. All her political enemies are dead. I mean, the only downside, really, is a bloc Justice Hannibal Lecter at her husband. Yeah. Other than that, she's at a pretty good three months. Yeah.

Well, Dean, thanks so much for inviting me here to this car, and, you know, this subterviews was quite good fun, to be honest, and... Yeah, it's been a laugh, isn't it? Yeah. We should do this more often. next time you come with the costume. Well, yeah, I'll be in disguise next time. And maybe not. But, yeah, well, thanks, Dean.

I'm glad things are working out. You know, this is the longest time you've been out of prison now since you were seven years old? Yes, since I was seven. Yeah, yeah. So it's been... It's quite boring out here, isn't it, actually?

Well, it doesn't sound like you've had a boring time, right? I mean... All right, maybe boring's a wrong word. It's been fucking weird. Well, best of that, Dean, with whatever comes next. I don't know if you're going to try and weed out the marriage or I guess that's a question for you and what's next for Dean Lamp?

I've got to get the fuck back in a prison night of. Oh, that's the plan, is it? Yeah, back to prison. Yep. You don't know where I can rent a combine harvested you? There's an IKEA around you. Time to harvest some meatballs. Well, best luck, Dean.

Always nice to see you. You too. You off now? Yeah. Thank you. Bye. he's left his mic. I'm having that. That's another crime. That's a freebie.

I'll mail it to him. No one. A big thanks to Dean Lamp for that interview. Dean is now back in prison after his adventure into IKEA on a combine harvester, killed 12. We asked the police for comments about everything we've talked about today, and a spokesman told us that there is no ongoing investigation into the Beauvoirine Pharmacy. Union and that they have a huge amount of respect for them as an institution. And the Office of Sue Gooseberry sent us a statement denying that she had ever met, much less married, Dean,

but then they did also send us a hand in the post. So, that's what we've got time for this month. If you're after more Beef and Dairy News, get over to the website now, where you'll find all the usual stuff as well as our off-topic section, where this month we ask Irish singing star Ennia what she thinks of swimming. So, until next time. beef out thanks to Dan Thomas and Anaya Sage Ready go

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