Beef And Dairy Network - Episode 55 - Bob Trescothick

Episode Date: January 19, 2020

Mike Wozniak joins in as we get to the bottom of why Bob Trescothick wasn’t at the annual Ken Bicton memorial pig run. By Benjamin Partridge, Mike Wozniak, Elis James and Henry Paker. Stock media provided by Setuniman/Pond5.com and Soundrangers/Pond5.com

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So, this week I attended the annual Ken Bicton Memorial Pig Run, and notable by his absence was TV bovine arse vet Bob Truscothick, who was usually the resident vet for the event. A bit of digging threw up some very tasty rumours about why Bob wasn't there, and so I asked Bob to come in and talk to me. Bob Truscothick, thank you so much for coming in. Thanks for having me. I'm sorry it's not happier circumstances for you. Something we'll go into a little later.

I was this weekend at the annual Ken Bicton Memorial Pig Run up in East Shropshire. For listeners who aren't aware of it, it's an annual pig run. People drive their pigs through the streets of the town, through flaming hoops, over bodies of water, that sort of thing. Tiny barrels, smaller and smaller barrels. Yeah.

It's one of the few non-cow events I'll go to in the year because I think, despite the fact that it's mainly using pigs, which... It's a poor man's cow, everyone knows that. Yeah.

It's still a great event. And also, just to pay my respects to Ken Bicton, he was a great man. Yeah. You know, very sadly trampledon, who's a great man. Yeah. You know, very sadly trampled by out-of-control pigs. Yeah, and it's lovely that they memorialise that every year. I think it's very moving for his family.

You know, he still has surviving grandchildren now, some of whom even witnessed the original event. Yeah, very moving, very moving sight. Apparently, from the beginning, 10 years ago, when Ken Bicton sadly died, the idea was that at the beginning, 10 years ago, when Ken Bicton sadly died, the idea was that at the end of the pig run, the pigs would knock over a huge marble Ken Bicton and then trample all over him in a kind of reenactment of that sad moment. But they've had to spend 10 years raising the money to make that.

It's made out of Italian marble. It's absolutely fantastic. Oh, well, yeah. Huge colossal. Great things, yeah. Of course, now smashed into bits once the pigs push it out but more than worth it yeah more than well then obviously in previous years they've just used sort of the the substitute effigy haven't they i think last year it was the uh what was his name mr absey

i think the the primary school headmaster was dressed up as ken and uh he hurtled down the streets and uh it was absolutely fantastic well, because this year it was actually the annual Ken Bicton and Mr. Absey Memorial Pig Run. I mean, it was a spectacular ending last year. And, you know, good for him. He really went for it. Re-enacted it very accurately. Yes. Indeed.

But the reason you're here, at least, is to explain there were many people there who I met who said they were looking forward to seeing you there. Because, of course, for the last few years you've been the resident vet at the pig run it is important of course they have a vet there well there's got to be someone there who can you know put the pigs down efficiently and quickly as soon as the race is over um I gather that uh Jamie McInerney and his sons the butchers up there stepped in at the last minute and um and did a terrific job from what i gather it wasn't as as efficient as when you were doing it no no but there's more produce isn't there i mean i just uh you know when i've been you know everyone's had a great time there's just a big old pile of carcasses aren't they that we have to sort of bury in the pond and uh but yeah i think they're i mean they'll

be eating hog baps for weeks to come strange that they would employ you up there because of course you are known throughout the country as one of the country's leading cow arse vets yes that's right yeah but you don't you know you keep your hand in with the general stuff um you know you try and keep up to date and uh it's good now and again to to deal with other animals but yeah that's what i'm known for that's that's my passion, is bovine arses. How different is a pig's arse from a cow's arse? A pig's arse is a very transactional arse. A pig will not particularly take such good care of its arse.

A pig will not use its arse in any sort of ritualistic or social behaviours as opposed to a cow, which of course will parade its arse, will display its arse. They're very proud of their arses. They're very proud of their arses. They'll often use their arses to recognise each other. And from the smallest shifts in local hormones and swellings and decorations that they do with mud and faeces, that you can learn a lot about their mood.

And that's very unusual. You know, in humans, you know, we very, very rarely use our arseholes to express ourselves. Very small children will do it just to seek attention. Adults, not really, unless they're very, very angry. But a cow will, if you know how to read an arsehole, it's an open book and a pig's arsehole then is just a much more simple really just yeah it's just it's just about the passage of

of waste and and that's it and the irony is that i mean that is a waste of a of what could be very expressive it's a wasteful animal i think the pigs waste what they've got people say pigs are clever i think they're idle and selfish. People in the past have called into question your suitableness to be the resident vet there at the annual pig run. Given that your views on pigs are well known, you don't seem to have much love for the animal. No. People were saying that you were taking quite a lot of pleasure,

one might say, from putting down the thousands or so pigs that are involved in the pig run. I would, well, yes, I mean, but I'm only flesh and blood. I think anyone would, any right-thinking person would take pleasure in putting down upwards of 1,000 pigs over the course of a 35-minute period, which I think is my record. But I loved Ken Bictonon and I've got a lot of friends up there so I accept the invitation

of course I do Well I was up there as I say this weekend you were missed people were saying where's Bob Triscothic he's part of the furniture now he's part of the pig run

he's not there at the beginning to sand the klaxon to get the pigs going he's not there to fire the weapons at the pigs to speed them up he's not there to put down the slick oils to get the pigs going. He's not there to fire the weapons at the pigs to speed them up. He's not there to put down the slick oils to make the pigs skitter about.

Very, very funny. That was my idea. Yeah. Well, they didn't do it this year because you weren't there. People were saying, where's Bob? Where's Bob? And then rumors started to surface about why you weren't there. And that's why I've got you on the show already,

because I want you to clear up some of the rumours that were going around. Now, the main thrust of the rumours, really, if you boil them down, is that the reason that you weren't there as the vet on call was that you have been struck off. Right. Yes, I know this is in the ether. There's a very simple answer to that, that uh i haven't been struck off uh you technically it cannot be struck off if you've never been struck on um so what you're saying is that you were never a qualified vet i'm a vet i'm a vet down to my very marrow i just uh i just went the

old-fashioned route and very much uh there was a lot of self-teaching. There was an apprenticeship on the streets, on the farms, you know, as a young lad. I was interested and I started out practicing on moths and wasps and I just sort of built up to bigger and bigger animals. You know, kids at school would be taking part, you know, the dad's car or transistor radio. I'd be taking part of all, okay? But just to be clear, you've never been to veterinary college? Well, the fact that I've never been to a so-called veterinary college, although I would say the world is a veterinary college,

has led me to doing quite extraordinary things and getting much more experience that your typical, your sort of spoiled brat little middle-class student isn't getting. They're sitting in their lectures, okay? I'm up in the Andes doing a shin transplant on a golden eagle, okay? That experience is invaluable. So your practice over the past 15 years, you've been earning money as a vet. Yeah. And you wouldn't say you've been putting anyone in danger,

you've not been endangering animals. Listen, in any sort of medical practice, there are always going to be individuals, cases that don't go completely to plan. There is a science element to it. There's academic rigor, absolutely, but there's also a degree of artistry, and that has to be learned.

And, you know, there will be collateral damage in the creation of the perfect vet. And for some people, that collateral damage will happen in a supervised setting, in a veterinary hospital, where someone can step in and you can relax and you don't really learn anything then because someone's sorting it out for you or in my case you're sorting it out yourself okay it is you that is taking that snow leopard and trying to work out how to put its hind legs back on and necessity forces you just to get on with it and get it done you get on with it you learn all sorts of lessons about about yourself about the the hinges on the back of a snow leopard. It's a wonderful way to learn. There were rumours, as I say, circulating around the pig run.

I spoke to a farmer called David Pope. Oh, yeah. David Pope has a herd of cows that he put in your care. He described to me there was trouble with one of the bulls with its anus so he called you in you said leave me alone here to deal with this problem you shut him out of the barn yeah what maybe you don't know is that he stayed out the door listening through the barn door oh and he could hear you inserting your hand into the anus of the bull and then he very clearly heard you say what the f**k is this right what the f**k is this okay okay well we've all got a catchphrase haven't we it's my way of getting

into the vibe and reminding myself that i'm i'm an eternal student okay well even if that's true what again you probably don't know is that mr pope then called in a second vet for a second opinion once your work had been done right upon putting his hand into the cow's anus, found a credit card, your credit card, which you'd left in there. Right. Well, okay. So, I mean, they're going to give it back

because I have been looking for that. And I was pretty sure I'd lost it in my car, so I haven't actually cancelled it. So I would like that back. That would be quite useful. Well, I think that's besides the point, really. Oh, right. Isn't the point that there's a man there who's entrusted his most loved animals to you yeah and you've used his ass like an atm well i've not what what's what harm is a

cow going to come to if you leave a credit card into you hoping money is made of plastic were you hoping that hard currency no i mean what is it what is a cow if not an enormous living breathing pre-wallet okay so if there's any animal you can leave a credit card in it's a cow if not an enormous living, breathing pre-wallet? So if there's any animal you can leave a credit card in, it's a cow. The cow would have come to no harm whatsoever from that. I've got a quote here from the president of the London Veterinary College. I contacted him to see if he'd ever studied there, as you claim on your website. He confirmed that you hadn't studied there at all

and also said that, having looked over some of the evidence that I put to him, that he was concerned that you seem to always revert to the same treatment or pattern of observation with every cow. So whatever problem is presented, you tend just to put your hand up the cow's arse. And that seems to be the end almost of what you're doing. Well, if it ain't broke, where am I meant to put my hand? I'm not going to put my hand in its mouth, am I? I might bite my fingers off. well if it ain't broke where am i meant to put my hand i'm not

gonna put my hand in his mouth then i might bite my fingers off but if i had a mouth problem wouldn't it make sense to put your hand in the mouth i think well the mouth is connected to the anus i mean that's absolutely basic anatomy right there it's just one long quite convoluted tube with some stuff in the middle right but anything that starts in the mouth is gonna it's only going one way. Put your hand up their arse, see what you can find. The president of the college, though, was saying that what you'd seem to have done is basically boiled down what is a very complicated and learned profession down to a single physical action, which was simply shoving your hand into the air.

He would say that, wouldn't he? Yeah, well, he would say that, wouldn't he? So he's high arts, isn't he? You know, with his college and his professor and his titles and the letters after his name and the title before his name and all this kind of stuff. It's just dick swinging, right? It's pointless. So you're saying that if he was being more honest with the public,

you could go to veterinary college, it would last 10 minutes, they'd say, just put your hand in. You just need to get with it you just it's all common sense out you go i'm i'm the craftsman i'm the apprentice the self-trained you know at most artisanal veterinary surgeon there he's he's in his little shiny garret you know talking about blood tests and skin scrapings and dna and all this kind of stuff, and antibiotics, for God's sake, I'm actually out there at the coalface, so to speak. The arseface? The arseface, yeah.

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ZipRecruiter.com. Slashbeef. Now let's talk a bit more about how this all came to a head. Now obviously rumors were going around, but there was a reason that you weren't there at the annual Ken Bicton and mr absey memorial pig run and that was because the the people organizing that in the town there had caught wind of what happened i think during your your recent television series really which was where this began vetting a helicopter vetting a

helicopter that's right now for any listeners who aren't aware of the show, can you just... Oh, it's a great show. Very simple format, really. We managed to get our hands on a decommissioned RAF Chinook helicopter, and I'd fly about the countryside looking for farms. People might phone in and give us tip-offs of someone who might need some veterinary assistance. And we'd just zoom in, oftentimes when the farm was out, and so they didn't even know we were coming at all, but we'd always surprise them with our great big chinook they look on their faces be magic and

then we land and um in a in a blur of frenzied veterinary activity i'd sort out all their cow ass problems and uh and off we'd off we'd pop again well that sounds great on the face of it and and obviously i was excited to watch it Many people I know were excited to watch it. And it did broadcast. But there was building criticism of the series as it went on, mostly to do with the fact that every time you landed the Chinook helicopter on a busy pasture, you took out 10 or 15 cattle. Right.

But as I've said many times in my life, veterinary practice is all about lifelong learning. No one's done this before. No one has done veterinary practice, emergency veterinary practice in a Chinook. And what we learned is that cows, actually, when they're in a pasture field, there's something about the shade of a cloud that they enjoy. As the cloud is moved around by the wind, they enjoy the shade and they will move with that shade. And unfortunately, they can't tell the difference between the shade from a cloud and the shade from a Chinook.

So you're trying to land the Chinook. They're just getting tighter and tighter into the shade of the Chinook, and they're directly underneath it. What are you going to do? You've got to land the thing eventually. And our Chinook pilots were great, and they would try and swing about. But that would just get them more excited. And so, yeah, we'd squash a dozen or so of them at least each time.

But we helped more. That's not a reasonable thing to say, really. That's not a reasonable thing to say. We treated a lot of cows. We squashed a lot of cows. We treated more cows. Yeah, but what if you'd arrived... Do the math.

What if you'd arrived in a bus and treated the same number of cows? Well, who's going to tune into that? Vet in a bus. Vets have been in buses for years, okay? Vet in a bus, vet in a car, treated the same number of cows. Well, who's going to tune into that? Vet in a bus. Vets have been in buses for years. Okay? Vet in a bus, vet in a car, vet on a bicycle.

Who gives a monkey's? It's not just about the treatment of the animals. It's entertainment, isn't it? You know, got to entertain. Got to be, we've got a Chinook.

We're going to bloody use it. Well, the biggest ratings you got were for episode four. Oh. And this one, a helicopter was landing at a farm in Northumbria when the rear gunner oh started firing a machine gun yeah indiscriminately at the cattle and some farm

workers you happen to be there so what yeah what on earth so this has been very very misrepresented in the media okay there was no rear gunner what we had was a was a rear gun okay it was some um m240 7.62 millimeter belt fed machine gun it was there when we got the chinook okay it looks snazzy sex is hell wouldn't employ anyone to be a gunner on it but we kept it because it looked nice at um it's quite a heavy duty piece of kit weighs about the same as a as a four-year-old boy we just we just left it everyone you just leave it well alone. It just so happened on that episode, the producers, Josh had his son, also Josh, with us

for a bit of excitement. But he loved the previous episodes and he's a fan. Along he came, we're about to land and all of a sudden little Josh finds his way over to the trigger and off he pops. He starts rattling off the machine gun. What are you supposed to do, right? land and all of a sudden little josh finds his way over to the trigger and um off he pops he starts rattling off the machine gun what are you supposed to do right it's a kid okay and he's got a very because i mean because the gunway is about the same as the child who's now the gunner he's got

very little control over it he jams his little hand in his hand gets caught in the trigger guard okay so it keeps firing he's swinging about it's it's. It's like a bucking bronco, basically, but one that is firing out very heavy caliber bullets at phenomenal speed and a great rate of fire. So it was absolutely deadly, and we're thinking, what are we supposed to do here? We were initially going to try and just wait for him to run out of bullets, but it was absolute carnage down there. He'd wiped out quite a lot of cattle.

At least four generations of a single farming family were wiped wiped out a couple of ramblers got it and eventually we thought no we've got to stop this somehow shouted up to the the pilot of the chinook who came up with a very good idea in the end he he sort of tipped the chinook upwards so the the rear gun was just you know the arc of fire was now just directly into the ground, just sort of pounding into the carcasses of the cows the boy had already killed. And he sort of wiggled it about. And that actually loosened Little Jotty's grip and he fell. And obviously the gun stopped. So he was fine and he landed on a big old pile of cows that he just shot.

So he was physically unharmed. And also, interestingly, psychologically completely unblemished as well. He was tested afterwards? He was fine. So his dad is now having him tested to see if he's a psychopath, which would be interesting. So the thing is, you know, from that description, and if that all is true, then, you know,

And if that all is true, then you could question the wisdom of keeping an undecommissioned machine gun on a Chinook being used primarily for veterinary purposes. But that aside… It's common sense, isn't it? You leave it alone. Sure. That doesn't necessarily sound like that was your fault. But then why was that footage then broadcast on a Sunday evening on Channel 5? That's just basic media games, right? ITV was showing The Mummy Returns.

How are you going to compete with that? You show the footage. You tune in. You see a four-year-old cutting a Rambler in half with an M240 machine gun. I mean, you know, there's your water cooler moment right there. What was amazing, really, to me was that after that episode was aired with an M240 machine gun. I mean, you know, there's your water cooler moment right there. What was amazing, really, to me, was that after that episode was aired,

and all the criticism that garnered, Channel 5 continued to play the rest of the series out. So, of course, we had episode five, which was quite uneventful by comparison. Then episode six comes along. Now, this one actually was never broadcast. No. Lots of rumours about what were contained on the tapes there of episode 6.

Rumour being that episode 6 was shown to one of the commissioners at Channel 5 and they actually had a heart attack. But that just goes to show the power of the footage. We wanted to try something radical. Are you familiar with the film Inner Space starring Dennis Quaid? I'm not. So in that

film he plays a test pilot astronaut type figure and what they want to do is they want to miniaturize him uh in a tiny space capsule and then inject him into like human beings to sort of treat stuff which just is such a lovely simple idea and you know people are miniaturizing things. It's a real thing. So we thought, can we do that with veterinary medicine? Is it possible to miniaturize a vet? So you miniaturized yourself? Well, that's what I wanted to do. We didn't really imagine that we'd achieve it, but we wanted to give it a go.

So we dedicated the episode to that. And we had one of our unpaid runners, a lovely bloke called Alfie, his first telejob. We tried out with him. We managed to rent this. We went off to Belarus and were able to rent this sort of industrial level centrifuge. So we tried that with Alfie and he disintegrated immediately. And to the point where actually, initially, we thought we'd succeeded because we can't see anything. It's just a blur. We switched it off. It slowed down.

Where's Alfie? Oh, my God, we've done it. We're looking around with a microscope. And then eventually the production manager noticed that there were tiny bits of Alfie that were sort of spread in a kind of perfect circle all around the walls behind us. Yeah, so that didn't work. But again, it made for a terrific piece of television

do you think that footage will ever see the light of day i certainly hope so i know that josh my producer he did after we had we had a bit of a ruckus obviously with the channel after showing it to them and uh in his uh in a fit of anger he he emailed it to wikileaks which um which apparently is the the real reason that Assange has gone completely crackers. Now, despite all those things that we've just spoken about, and people were talking about that at the pig run, talking about the rumours about what you'd done, all this kind of stuff, people saying that's the reason why you're no longer practising as a vet. That isn't actually true, is it?

Because it wasn't at this stage that the authorities caught up with you. Now, obviously, you've never trained as a vet. Well, I mean... Well, you haven't. Well, I'm self-trained. I'm self-trained. Yes, I didn't go to an institution and someone else didn't give me a piece of paper that said you're a vet. I gave myself a piece of paper that said you are a vet. Yeah, okay. Let's talk about what it was that that meant that your credentials were checked and and thus official action was taken against you the tally world is very small and the first couple of shoot days of vet helicopter had gone extremely well we sent the rushes back to the channel they thought it was great word spreads like wildfire and i was invited to go on a doc swap you've heard of you're familiar with

yep big hit doc swap um it's the well it's when doctors of different disciplines swap jobs for the day exactly and they got in touch with me and said would you be interested i thought great and i assumed that it was going to be you know a vet edition vet swap and that i would be you know i'd swap with a uh you know a bovine chiropodist or something like that. And they'd be doing the artists for the day. They'd be doing the artists for the day. Great, lovely bit of fun. But no, it was Doc.

The producers of the show had made the quite extraordinary decision to swap me with a doctor, with a brain surgeon. And I had spoken to this woman at the beginning of the day and she was very, very anxious, actually. I was surprised because I was excited. You know, I like a challenge. So I asked her if she had any tips for me. You know, for starters, access.

What am I doing? Am I just cracking open the lid here? Is there a particular point you can whack with a pin and a plate of it pings off or something? I don't know. And she's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not, you know, it's like opening the it pings off or something i don't know and she's like no no no no no it's not you know it's like opening the roof of a car or something it's you know we actually normally go in for through the nose wow that's astonishing i thought well hang on this is good news actually because if you can get to some part of the body through the nose you can get to that part of the

body through the arsehole right they're connected and what do i know i know arseholes and it was i was just starting the operation and it was the cameras are rolling the nurses and uh the sort of operating department assistants they hadn't been filled in on what was going on they just thought i was a locum consultant for the day so it was only when i repositioned the patient and splayed them and asked them where they kept their stirrups. And I was on the cusp of that first step of a thousand up the arse to the brain that they started getting a little bit spicy with me. And wanted to know who I was and lots of questions, lots of aggro. Producers tried to step in.

They were waving contracts about and permits. They didn't care about any of that. And they forcibly ejected us. But there was a lot of palaver. It took a lot of time to sort out. And all sorts of skeletons came out of all sorts of closets. And, I mean, the producer of the Vetswap thing, he's doing a bit of jail time now for fraud and identity theft,

which is unrelated, but fraud was. So it was a messy, messy, messy situation. You know, and throughout all of that, there's a 45-year-old man in a pair of syrups with his arsehole facing the ceiling

of a Queen Square operating theatre. I guess the most important question is how is he now? I don't know, actually. We haven't stayed in touch. I did try and phone up the hospital to see what was going on, and I know my legal team did as well, but

they're under no obligation to share patient information, even when you've had your eyeball right up their arse, which I think is an odd system. Thanks to Bob Triscothic for that interview. It goes without saying that we do not condone what he has been doing,

and I'm also duty-bound to read the following statement from the British Veterinary Association. Mr Triscothic, the charlatan in a helicopter, is not, and has never been, a qualified vet. This should be a lesson to all of us. It's not enough to see someone with blood up their jumper and cow shit under their fingernails and assume that they're a vet. Sometimes it's just someone with blood up their jumper and cow shit under their fingernails. There is more to being a vet than sticking your hand up an animal's arse. Triscothic, in this respect, is more puppeteer than vet. Triscothic is a bastard. Triscothic is a stubbed toe. Triscothic is a disappointing final crisp in the bag. Triscothic is a tarmac garden. Triscothic is a disappointing final crisp in the bag. Triscothic is a tarmac garden.

Triscothic is a rat in your wellies. Triscothic, why you bastard, why? Triscothic! Thanks to the British Veterinary Association for that. Also, Doc Swop continues. This week's episode features a physiotherapist mistakenly prescribing so many steroids to an elderly woman with a chest infection that she grows strong leathery wings. Unmissable stuff.

So that's all we've got time for this month. But if you're after more beef and dairy news, get over to our website now, where you can read all the usual stuff, as well as our off-topic section, where this month we interview South American music star Ricky Martin in German, a language he doesn't understand. So, until next time, beef out. Thanks to Mike Wozniak, Ellis James and Henry Packer. thanks to mike kwasniak ellis james and henry packer also thanks to you for listening and i just want to let you know about a new podcast made by mike kwasniak so you've just heard mike kwasniak there playing bob triscothic he has been in so many episodes of beef and dairy um loads of my favorites he's in the first ever episode if you've heard the podcast you know that he is brilliant and he's now got his own podcast it's called the saint elwicks neighborhood association newsletter podcast i'll say that again saint elwicks neighborhood association newsletter podcast

saint elwicks is spelt saint the shortened version s-t elwicks e-l-w-W-I-C-K-S. Neighbourhood, spelt the English way. Association podcast. Like this one, it's a bit hard to describe, but maybe all the best podcasts are like that. But basically, it's the podcast of a character who used to run a newsletter for his local area. And due to, I think, money problems

and the cost of printing, they're no longer doing a newsletter. They are having to do a podcast instead. And it's kind of, again, it's hard to explain. It's really, really funny. A couple of the episodes so far have featured Henry Packer, who you'll have heard on this a lot, who plays the poet Michael Banyan. And the episode that's coming out this week, if you're listening kind of soon after this episode gets released, features someone called Benjamin Partridge, who I've heard is a real hot prospect. If you like Beef and Dairy Network,

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