Begin Again with Davina McCall - “The Pussycat Doll Saved Me” Kimberly Wyatt Opens Up About Her Traumatic Past…

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

Sometimes beginning again means surviving what should have broken you. In this episode of Begin Again, Kimberly Wyatt opens up about growing up in an environment where she felt vulnerable and unheard, and how those early experiences shaped her confidence, her identity, and her need to escape. Dance became more than a passion; it became her outlet, her therapy, and the first place she felt truly seen.  She shares what it really felt like to enter the world of the Pussycat Dolls; the pressure, the intensity, and the emotional toll of chasing a dream that meant everything to her. A dream that, at times, made her question her worth, her place, and whether she was enough. And yet, it was also the thing that changed her life. Kimberly reflects on how dance and the Dolls gave her power, purpose, and a way to reclaim her story. From feeling replaceable to rebuilding her self-worth, this is a journey of resilience, identity, and learning how to stand in your own space. She also opens up about motherhood, healing, and what it means to finally create the safety for her children that she didn’t always have growing up. This episode is about survival, self-worth, and the courage to keep going, even when no one is there to catch you. 🌟 Like, comment, and subscribe for more powerful conversations about resilience, growth, and beginning again. Tap the bell to stay connected with new episodes of Begin Again. Follow us here: 📸 www.instagram.com/beginagain 🎥 https://www.tiktok.com/@beginagainpod Follow Kimberly: https://www.instagram.com/kimberlywyatt/ ✨Sign up for the Begin Again newsletter for all your behind the scenes access, recommendations and much much more at: https://linkly.link/2dwmf?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=video_description&utm_campaign=always-on (00:00) Intro (00:24) Intro to Kimberly and Her Relationship to Davina (01:44) Small-Town Upbringing & Discovering Her Love of Dance (06:30) Surviving Abuse Within Her Family (08:21) Overcoming Her Trauma Through Dance (11:14) Rebuilding a Sense of Safety (15:40) Having Her Kids and Unexpected Third Child (18:23) Leaving for Dance School in New York at 14 (21:09) Building Her Dance Academy and Its Mission (22:49) Saily Ad (23:45) Paramount Ad (25:01) Moving to LA at 17 and Becoming the Pussycat Dolls (30:35) Internal Competition in the Pussycat Dolls (34:46) The Pussycat Dolls’ Image and Owning Her Story (37:52) Airbnb Ad (43:05) Finding a Way Out of the Pussycat Dolls (46:43) Coming Back to Dance and Moving to London (50:12) Familial Estrangement and Her Siblings (53:27) Her 12 Years With Husband Max (55:10) COVID Affected the Pussycat Dolls Reunion (56:44) The Return of the Pussycat Dolls (01:02:35) The Dolls’ Lineup and New Music Sponsored by: Saily - Download from the app store and use code DAVINA at the checkout for 15% off Paramount+ - Episodes 1-3 of The Madison are available to stream on Paramount+ now: https://www.paramountplus.com/gb/shows/the-madison/ Episodes 4-6 will be available to stream on 21 March. Airbnb - Your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at Airbnb.co.uk/Host Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Pussycat dolls has always been a huge part of me. You've lived a big, complicated life. How have you loved... That got me a little bit. Sorry. That's okay. I experienced a lot of sexual abuse. That really chipped away.

My soul, but getting into dance really opened my eyes. There's a whole world out there that could possibly have me. When I got the call for the Pussycat dolls, I had to sort of choose. You can either go on a Britney Spears tour or you do... Pussycat dolls. And when they gave me that Mohawk and biker boots, it was another level of what it meant to own my space. I just didn't want that dream to go drifting. But it came close. I look back and get how misguided these headlines were. Trying to pick women against women and collar strippers and all of it was telling me that I was replaceable and worthless. Did you make money out of the Pussycat Dolls? The levels in which I didn't see that amount of money is definitely present.

Can you just talk me through how that happened? Grown from such a low and got to such a place where I'd overcome so much to then end up in a low again. When it all came to an end and my mental and physical health wasn't going to sustain what was being asked of me. I had to put my ego aside, the identity of being known. But I think it's important to come back together and make this all happen again. Are you ready? We're back! I've got goosebumps again.

Guys, Kimberly Wyatt is in the studio. Can we actually give her a round of applause? Because do you know what I love about you? I obviously sat next to you on the got-to-dance panel of judges. And you are a grafter. You are somebody who will pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and do whatever it takes to keep moving forwards. And that's why I can't wait to talk to you today to hear about your life.

and how you got here and where you're going. My God. It feels surreal just to be here with you to do this chat with. This just feels like it's epic, it's surreal, it's ethereal, like, oh, yeah, the stars of a line to bring you together for this moment right now. Because it's funny, we knew each other really well back in the Got to Dance Days, and it went on for years that show, and we would spend quite an intense amount of time together And then I didn't see you for ages, but it's like I've always loved you.

And I feel like you've always loved me. Like I. A huge deep love. Yes. Yes. And what was interesting was I guess, you know, when we were working together, we never really went deep, deep. So I didn't know about your upbringing or where you came from. And it feels like it was really a very formative time of your life and it made you who you were.

Massively. Yes. So can you just talk me through? Where did you grow up? So I grew up in a small little town in Missouri, Middle America, called Warnsburg, very much a farm town. My dad delivered fuel to farmers and, you know, he was a fuel guy, delivering oil, driving trucks, was gone a lot. My mom worked for him. So we lived on a farm way out in the country in my sort of smaller years. And it was idealic in so many ways because, yeah, I loved trying to be just as tough as the boys and loved going mudding and trying. trucks and doing all this sort of farm life that, gosh, in the UK, I don't even see these types of things going on. So to think back, like, there's so much of it that's pretty

brilliant of what I got to experience in those little farm years. But it was also the making and the breaking of me, living in that wonderful little lovely area. Grandmother lived just around the corner. My grandmother was my everything. Grandma Jane. Grandma's are the best, right? They're the best, man. She showed me a love and a selflessness that to this day, that's what has made me the mum that I strive to be every day when I wake up. When you said the good and the bad, like, I was just wondering, would it be all right if you just subscribed? Thanks. You know, obviously I can see you had family all around you. It sounds idyllic, countryside, nature. But what was the bad? The bad was, I had brilliant parents,

I think who tried their best. But there was a lot of darkness in my very young years through my formative years to my young teen years. You know, I experienced a lot of sexual abuse. And that really chipped away at my confidence, at my soul, at my feeling of being safe. And that really was the making of me as a kid. I was very introverted.

I didn't like what I saw in the mirror. I was constantly running away from social situations. I didn't have a lot of friends. And I think that those moments were really what defined why that made me who I was in that time. But the thing that turned everything around from me was getting into the dance studio. And I stepped into the dance studio because I loved the Olympics. I loved the figure skating and the gymnastics and what these people could do with their bodies and the stories they could tell through movement. And so I really wanted to try gymnastics, tried it, loved it. But my teacher, were like, why don't you try like jazz and tap and ballet and all these other styles?

So started trying them and I just fell in love immediately because it wasn't necessarily what I saw when I looked in the mirror. It was what I could do with my body and the turns and the discipline and the technique and the jettets and the jumps and all these things. I was like, wow, this is really cool. This makes me feel good about myself. And then I think the real turning point for me was entering a competition. It was Junior Miss Dance of America. I very much felt like the underdog. We didn't have a lot of money. Even the idea of being able to take these classes was way off the table when the teachers had approached me.

But they allowed me to assist classes, work the desk, clean the studio, do all sorts. Go door to door knocking for donations so I could pay for costumes to do the competition team and sort of try and live this dream. And so I went into this competition as an underdog. I went in as, you know, it's just an opportunity and experience to learn from. And I went through the comp, and as they were announcing winners and second runner up and first runner up, I'm like, oh, well, this has been good. Like, I'm so glad I got to see all this talent, and I felt really inspired. Then they announced who Junior Miss Dance of America was. And I'll never forget, my mom was filming, and she literally dropped her phone and just started screaming with elation.

And that was like, that was a moment of like, wow, maybe I don't have to feel like a loser in life. Maybe there is something more for me. Maybe there is a destiny out there that I can be proud of. And that was the real turning point. How old were you? I would have had to be about 10, 11 years old at that point. I mean, that's so young, isn't it? It's really young.

Yeah. And then I think from there, I mean, that was to Freedom by Vanessa Williams. And from there, the real takes me right back. And I think the next turning point for me was doing a song by Mariah Carey called Looking In. And my teacher played it for me before we started learning the choreography. And I was talking about smiling through a thousand tears. And I'll never forget just sit in there and just bawling my eyes out because... That was your life.

It was my life. And I... Can I... Do you mind me going back to something? Because you talked about you went through sexual abuse. Yeah. And I don't want to go into deep detail about that. But you had experienced that in your childhood.

Very early childhood is well. And so was that within the family? Or is that something you don't want to talk about? Yeah, it was with maybe not my immediate family, but extended family, but very, very close to us. And living in the farmhouse, we were very cut off from the rest of the world. So you were vulnerable? I was so vulnerable and I was just in the room down the hallway. And, you know, I finally built the confidence to talk about it.

And I just wasn't believed. I was sort of shushed. As a child, when it was happening, you tried to talk about it. I did, yeah. And yeah, they didn't believe me. And that was a consistent thing because it wasn't the only time or the only person. This was a consistent thing that kind of kept happening through, you know, not immediate family, but extended family that felt like the people that I could trust. And as soon as I felt like I could trust them, you know, they're falling in love with me at eight years old and trying to kiss me and trying to do things.

And I just didn't know how to take it. And even through my honesty, you know, I just don't know if my parents had the ability. to want to have to deal with that or protect me in the way I felt like I needed somebody to. I think they're very hurt in their own selves and their own upbringing. I can now look back in hindsight and at least kind of come to terms with that because I think finding a level of acceptance and making it okay and forgiveness is needed to rise above and not feel like a victim, which is such a huge turning point in anybody's life that's experienced anything.

But then, like, you know, hearing this song and feeling like I could go out there on that stage and not only make beautiful lines, but everything had a purpose behind it. And even though nobody knew it, I was living my truth out there through dance. And that was so therapeutic for me. So where you weren't being listened to, you could then go and... Had a space for it. At least that. That's right.

I've got goosebumps. I do too. But that is what I see in you. It's like it all makes sense. Yeah, yeah. That's why you're so good. It's in you. Yeah.

I don't know if you've heard of this before, but my husband was a break dancer and he wants to start breakdancing again. He started stretching. Yeah. And he got the splits machine and he's trying to do the box splits so he can do windmills and things like that again. But it's been an unbelievable unlocking of trauma. Yeah. And emotion. Yeah.

So much stuff has happened to him since he's been stretching. And I thought that was just his experience. But I met a gymnast the other day. And I told her about that. And she went, oh yes, the hips. It's where you hold all your trauma. And we all go through that. And I was like, I didn't even know this was a thing.

Have you experienced that? Yeah, I always, it's a consistent. I think anytime I move, there is trauma there. But I, you know, I have a dance academy now. And because of those experiences and having a purpose to want to get back to the next generation and really make a difference. And, you know, I've worked a lot with a neuroscientist Susan Greenfield to understand the mind and emotions and imagination and what that can do through music and movement. And so when I'm working with kids that have been bullied or they're dealing with neurodiversity, or just feeling not accepted, now I can sort of tell them, the tough stuff you are delivered can be a gift because we only experience things to a certain extent for some. And so that's all you have as an artist

to give to a routine or to music. When that becomes a bigger well of experience and emotion to pull from, that can be looked at as a gift. You can find a way to find forgiveness for stuff so that you can use it as a tool for your own self-expression, which is a gift?

I often talk about this. And you mentioned the word victim earlier, like I don't want to be a victim. Like I just want to move past or through and find a way of doing that. But if there is somebody out there who believes that they have no agency on their life, like stuff is just happening to them

and they can't do anything about it, can they change, do you think? Yeah, I do think, I don't want to trivialize it because everybody's experiences are so different. But even at the darkest of my times and of being alone, I moved to L.A. and I had nobody. How old were you when you did that? So I worked on cruise ships at 17, then moved, I was 19 years old. 17 on cruise ships. Yeah.

On your own, without parents. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, vulnerable again, like I feel like. Yeah. And more experience that happened. It was just unbelievable. And again, people just didn't want to listen to me when I'm trying to like look for help.

Do you, can we just talk about this? Because how many years ago would that be now? Gosh, 25 years ago? Yeah. I mean, it was at a time where literally women were under attack, it felt like 24, 7, you would be lucky to not have something bad happened to you. Did you feel like that, like everybody you knew virtually was experiencing? Even with my mom, you know, we would speak about it and she would sort of level with me

and have an ounce of empathy, even though she didn't have the tools to feel like she could protect me. And I think a lot of that came from her own abandonment and her own abuse and her own situation. So, and in some way, she at least had a level of being able to understand what it was that I was going through, even if she didn't have the confidence to change. it or protect. But you know. But it was everybody.

I look at you and when you're talking to me, the word safe keeps coming into my head. Like there was no one to keep you safe. Just you. Yeah. Looking out for yourself. Yeah. Trying to talk. I mean, literally, how have you loved?

That got me a little bit. Sorry. That's okay. Sorry. It's okay. Yeah. Safety. It's so important.

It's like looking in a way. Because I've been dealing with lots of looking back on my life and actually almost physically giving myself a hug. Are there any weird little things that you do for yourself to kind of self-soothe in a way, you know, apart from dance, obviously? Yeah. I've gone through lots of things that have helped me overcome or kind of dismantle what I'm. I was stuck in, whether it's been, you know, like crystals and rocks and essential oils and stuff, kind of had that moment. But I do feel like meditating, spiritual healing, Reiki, lots of things, tools that kind of help me.

But to this day, I think I feel really grounded. Having my kids is just the most amazing thing, and they make me feel safe. when I have their arms around me, there's just a safety. And they shouldn't make me feel safe. I, of course, make them feel safe. But there's a safety knowing I can make a change. And I think that makes me feel safe. Being a mom.

Yeah, they have a different mother to the one you did. Not that, you know, I don't want to also, I don't know your mother. But it's a different energy that you will protect at all costs. We will. Has it been a hard journey for you being a mother after. after what you experienced, try not to over, you know. Yes. Every time they'd come to that age where I was at a first experience, it was trauma.

I couldn't help put them to bed and look at their little innocent face and think, God, I would do anything to make sure you're safe and then to think that that didn't happen. Yeah. Yeah, that's been tough. But they're through those youngest of ages. And I know we have completed that task. And the journey continues. But that was the biggest probably reopening of the wound.

Yeah. There's something quite healing about it too. Like recognizing yourself in someone young and being able to take care of them. It's a gift. It's amazing. It's a re. Get another chance. Get another chance.

How old are your kids now? Oh my gosh. 11, 8 and 6. Eleven. I know. What? What? I know.

It's crazy. So it's Willow, Maple. And Senna. And Senna. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Absolutely amazing.

And I hear, because, you know, I've got two girls and a boy. I do. And I hear you had the two. Yes. And you were like, okay, I'm done. I was done. But no. No.

No. Oh, my God. So what was that like? Well, at the time, I've been working so hard wanting to get the pussycat dolls back together. So I'd been working for a couple years of just trying to have conversations and things. And we sort of just got it over the line. This is before COVID. And I had been feeling different. I hadn't been feeling myself. I'd been feeling really unwell. Being pregnant was like way far out of my mind. There was no way that that was a possibility.

So I was thinking the worst, the worst of what could be happening. And I remember being in the shower and my husband was like, here, I just got your pregnancy test just so we can like mark this off the before we start going into everything else. So I took it. I was like, I'm not just pregnant. This baby's in there. I love the fact that Max knew. He knew.

Right? Like, I know my wife. I know her body. It was quite the surprise, yes. And the timing was definitely not exactly ideal. Well, weren't you just about, you were kind of planning a tour? Planning a tour. Oh, my God.

And it was like a big, the big tour. The big tour, the world tour. thing was happening. Like it was, yeah, it was a lot to digest. I didn't want to let anybody down. I couldn't believe I'd worked all this time to try and get this open line, finally had. So yeah, we were sitting down looking at like, okay, well, if you have the baby at this point and you have to be on stage at this point, how are we going to make it happen? So seven weeks after Cicerian, I was back on stage for that X Factor performance. And I was lucky enough to have a brilliant doctor, Dr. Jane and she just like helped me along the way.

Was she just going, what are you doing? At first we were weighing out and then it was like the woman in her and I think the professional she was could see the woman and professional in me and it was like, I got you, I got you. We're going to get the baby. We're going to make sure everything's fine. We're going to stitch your ab, try and get those abs back together, calm your organs back into place. You'll be fine.

I'll be on call if anything happens. And she was a godsend through that whole period. But yeah. I mean, I want to go back because we're talking about Pussycat Dolls reuniting and I haven't even kind of got to the stage in your life where you got there yet. Yes. So first of all, I want to talk to you about when you left to go to dance school when you were like, what, 14? Yeah.

I mean, that in itself is so young. But was that a way out, a way to safety, away from home for you? For me, because I would do these competitions, and I started getting scholarships to go train at the Joffrey and Broadway Dan Center and go to New York in the summers to train. And, of course, at the time, it was just another experience, another opportunity. But as I went out there and trained my butt off, literally couldn't walk the next day, crawling into the studio, waiting for my body to catch up so we could get back to it, going to see a Broadway show. It was the experience that really opened my eyes to there's a whole world out there that could possibly have me. You know, dancing and singing and being a performer in their world. And it was music videos.

I loved watching all the music videos with, especially Missy Elliott, Aaliyah, Buster Rhymes, all these brilliant videos with these brilliant dancers. Back then, there was in Living Color, which is where Jailo started. Yes. It's the dancer. Oh, God, I loved in Living Color. I loved in Living Color. Oh, it wasn't that the White Wayans Brothers?

Wayans Brothers. Yeah. God, that was so good. He was so good. They used to do these two characters called Men on Film. Yes. Oh my God, yes. Two snaps up, a twist and a kiss.

You know it. Jim Carrey, Fire Marshal Bill. I mean, it was... I would tell you something. It was just so good. It's so good. God, I bet that would be on YouTube. It definitely would be.

If you're watching and you don't know what we're talking about, look up in living color on YouTube. It's really good. And they had the Fly Girls. answers. And I was just like, God, I would love it to be one of those girls. See, I'd definitely go into New York. I opened my eyes of like, maybe there's something I could do with this. And how old were you when you were going to New York? Started at 14. So 14, on your own? I would go with my Miss Joe, who was the head of the dance academy. And it was her four

daughters and son that would teach classes as well. So she would take a... She saw something in you. She did. And her daughter sold something in me. Miss Stephanie was like, she took me in. I would stay with her, I would live with her, she would drive me up. This was one studio in my town, another bigger studio, an hour and a half away. So she would get me in her car and drive me to make sure I was getting all the classes that I needed. Do you know what I think is interesting in life? I mean, again, the word, she's safety came into my head like she was safe. She was safe.

She just wanted good things for you. She did. And she would listen and hold a space. I got this stopped again. You only need one person. You do. To see you. that is the truth.

And I think with having my academy, I want to be that person for as many as I can. Oh, that's so nice. Yeah. Are there people that you see in your academy where you think? Yeah. Absolutely. It's even this beautiful dancer Sophia

and she, single mom, like, really thought the world of maybe one day being a dancer just felt like there was no way she could accomplish it or go to performing art college, needed scholarships. And throughout the competition series, at the end, she gained a scholarship at Synergy and got a full ride and is now at Wilkes Academy. And to see something, like, all of us were her mom, us, Max, we're all just bawling her eyes out. Like, that just changed her life. Yeah. There's possibility now. That's huge. Yes, it's the best feeling.

When did you start the academy? It's been four years now, I think. Wow. And how many people have you got in there now? 240 kids. We started with six. We turned our garage into a studio. We started with six kids. Few classes a week. Now we're pretty much every day of the week.

We're in schools. We have a competition team. Like 240 students now. Faculty of six. Ballerina, teach in ballet from a royal ballet. We've got a partnership with flawless. So they kind of lead up the street dance division. We've got tap.

We've got contemporary. It's just incredible. There's a lot of street dancers out there who are now, because they're with us, are expanding into contemporary and trying other things. Yeah. Other things. It's incredible.

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Taste. View and enjoy via rail love the way Back to the Piscatolls because I'm still I'm going all over the place But it's fascinating yeah So so you left home you were going to New York in the holidays You were doing the scholarships And then you went to dance Like you left at sort of 17 to go to L.A

I went at 17 I drove to Las Vegas Vegas I mean to get to do some auditions and end up on cruise ships. So I did cruise ships for a couple years. It was horrendously seasick. Oh, horrendous. Couldn't keep my way under control. It was a lot of things happened in those times.

And I just wanted to find work on land. And I always went back to those music videos and in living color and these things that I loved. And Miss Stephanie, that one person in my life that was such a driving force, always said, L.A. is where it's at. If you want to do that kind of work, film and television, you've got to go to L.A. So you went from Vegas to L.A.? I didn't know a soul.

Wow. Yeah. So you didn't know anybody, you just turned up in L.A.? I turned up in L.A. with a bag of a dream. I left everywhere for roommates. I thought the rent would be much cheaper than it was. I realized this was going to be hard. But I found a roommate that I was living with for a while,

which was crazy but got through it and just slowly started working my way into the LA life. Showed up in a leotard and tights and a ballet bun into a Brian Friedman class. I have got a lot to learn here. So just explain to everybody who Brian Friedman is. So Brian Friedman is probably most well known as being Britney Spears' choreography for I'm a slave

and all of her big tours. He's done such phenomenal work. Dancing for Janet Jackson was just in a Lady Gaga video. He has sort of been like the one to go for when it comes to being a working dancer in LA at that time. He was a choreographer for X Factor over here for quite sometimes. A lot of people might know him from that. But he's formidable and incredible.

I bet he loved you. Well, you know what? When it came down to it, I was working for him and doing fitness video for him, be free. And when I got the call for the Pussycat dolls, I had to sort of choose because Brian was like, you can either come with me and we'll go on a birthday. Britney Spears tour or you're going to have to do pussycat dolls. And I had to choose between Brian Friedman or Pussy Cat dolls.

Yeah. Because you've got no guarantee that PussyCat Dolls is going to be big. None. And how old were you when they were looking for people to come and join a new girl group, like to form a new band? When I had arrived to L.A., I was looking for roommates. I could see on the wall there's these things about the Pussy Cat Dolls with Carmen Elektra and all these people that would like to go and watch the show.

I was like Justin Timberlake and Dr. Dre and the cast at the O.C. at the time. I was like, what is this? It looked cool. Remember the little hush, the little shushing on the picture and the outfits they were wearing and fishnets and corsets and all this. It was like, what is it? And it just so happened that in Living Color Dream, I was doing a TV show called Cedric the Entertainer Presents. And it was very much like in Living Color with sketches. And he had his fly girls, which was one of my first big TV shows is one of the fly girls. Oh, wow. And another one of them, Nadine, was one of the original Pussycat dolls. And she would tell me about doing this Maxim cover shoot and doing all these photo shoots and performances. So I kind of had an idea about it.

So how many girls were there in the Pussy Cat dolls at the time? Because there were a lot, right? A lot. It was around for over 10 years before we were ever a recording group. So, I mean, the number of PussyCardt... It was a dance type of thing. It was built on the backs of the dance community. And it was a dance troupe with celebrity guests.

And they'd have guests like Christina Aguilera and Gwen Stefani. and Brittany Murphy, Charlize their own, Scarletoe Hanson, just so many incredible celebrities that would come and be a part of the show. So it definitely had a buzz about it. It was like, God, I would get anything to be able to do something like that. How don't it take you?

Well, I was it an audition for it. One and a half years. I know you. I know you. Two days. Two days. I don't know if you remember the MTV show, The Newly Weds with Netflix.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. So auditioned for it. And it was all documentary. Cuventon, and Robin Anton, who's the creator of the group, was the one choreographing. So she saw me at that audition, and that night, not only did I get the job, but I also got a call about, would you come join the Pussycat Dolls? So I was like, sure. And at the time, Tavita, there must have been, like, between 12 and 20 girls in the group.

Wow. There was lots of us. Yeah. And so they'd change you round and for different events. Would you sometimes all go to something? Yeah, we did the Piper Room. Oh, Johnny Depp. with Johnny Depp. Yeah, amazing. He was the reason it was called the Pussy Cat Dolls. He owned

the Viper Room when they were doing their first shows with Christina Applegate. And it was all sort of burlesquee cabaret inspired. And he's like, you've got to give this a name. I want it every week. And so Robin went away was like, Pussycat killed. There was like these beautiful films from way back when that she sort of pulled from. And it became the Pussycat Dolls. I mean, I'm already just kind of getting such a flavor of you, the grafter, doing anything it takes to get where you want to get to, not in a kind of, I'm going to stand on someone's head to get there, but the personal effort that you will put in. So tell me about the person that was putting the pussycat dolls together. What kind of demands did they make on you to be in the

group? Yeah. In the beginning, it was just a group of us. And as it was progressing, you know, Gwen Sufani did the show, she brought her label and that's when they decided, oh, there's, there's something here. So as it was progressing, you know, there was a strong group of core members that could feel the ground shaking beneath them. And I'll tell you what, it wasn't easy. You know, we were doing shows with 12 of us as the recording group was trying to figure out who was going to be the main cast. Now, that's where it starts getting difficult, right? That's where it starts getting difficult. But I'll tell you what, that first show I did, it was with Pink at an E3 Electronics Convention. And it was the first time I'd had my fish nets

and heels and hair all dolled up and makeup and coming from where I did with such very little confidence. When those curtains opened, there was never a feeling like it about owning my space and feeling powerful and not having to give anything away but being able to just own it standing shoulder to shoulder with these amazing talented women that was like, yes, this is this is the dream. I'm living it right now. So then when it came to the recording group and making changes, I was fighting for my life. I was like, no, there's something in me that's telling me I'm supposed to be here. I just didn't want that dream to go drifting.

But it came close. That was a tough, tough moment in my life. I think because of there being the founding sort of members of the dolls who had been in it for quite some time and had had a lot of success together with Carmen, as the label was looking at bringing in new people and kind of changing things around, And as expected, I think everybody was kind of fighting for the lives, not wanting their dream to come to an end. You're kind of pitted against each other in a way. And I know what a woman's woman you are.

Yeah. And after everything that you'd been through and being helped by women and being not helped by women. You know, it's like suddenly you're pitted against women that you've been dancing with. It's horrible. I would never want to feel like a threat to anybody. No. You know? And all I want to do is sort of lift up the room in the show that we're in together.

But I know you as that person. That's who I am. So I can't imagine how horrible that must have felt. It was horrendous. I didn't know how to deal with it. And of course, I would just internalize it. Because when we did Don'tcha, I was still on the chopping block. A lot of the group shots I wasn't in.

One of the dance scenes, I'm dancing in my socks because I was trying to go on my belly to go down the banister to make epic moments because I had to show that. them that I was undeniably needed in this group. I went to every extent I could. I'm going to have to go back and watch the video again. Yeah, they'll see it. No, but what's funny is knowing that about you and then watching it will be interesting. Yeah. Because you were fighting for your life. I was fighting for my life. And Andrea Lieberman, who was Gwen Stefani stylist, she came on board to do this video. I would stay hours after practice to either help other girls feel good, help with creation. I mean, when I became a doll, not only was I being a doll,

I was helping buy costumes, go to vintage shops, sewing, rhinestoneing, staying up all night, doing anything I could to show just how much. One, I just wanted to learn and be a part and to grow and to be a part of this whole machine as much as I could. But I also knew, I also felt like I was having to make up for maybe my downfalls, so I would overdo anything I needed to. The trauma that you've suffered with is the kind of thing that will put us into fight or flight constantly, right? Yeah. Your constantly parasympathetic nervous system is like, I want to run.

And I'm a flighter. Yeah. And all of a sudden, this was like, no, actually, I have to fight for this. Yes. No, it was new for me. Yes. And so now I was sitting in it and dealing with it and meditating on it and breathing through it and choosing better foods.

And it was like, maybe I can actually find some self. love for myself. Maybe I am valuable enough to find some self-love. And I think in that moment, as much as I was crushed, I had to find my way through. And when Andrew Lieberman gave me that Mohawk for Doncha and put me in schools and biker boots, it was all the sudden like another level of what it meant to own my space. It was a form of feminist anarchy that meant that when I'm singing, Don't You Wish Your Girlfriend was hot like me. It was never about anybody else. It was solely about can I maybe I can I be hot can I like own what hotness is to me in my own version and that that became my whole identity within the dolls I was fighting for a new version of what being a

woman could look like and what it could feel like I feel like that's a bit of a mic drop moment like that's amazing yeah it was like repositioning everything about being this is why the dolls mean so much to me. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. And how frustrating was it when everybody just was banging on about clothes? Because it was your life, right? It was changing your life. It was helping you heal trauma, heal yourself from the inside out, like literally everything to you. And then people are like, oh, well, just look at what they're wearing and the way that they're moving. Strippers. All the buzzers. Yes. Oh, I just, it was so hard. especially coming from the dance background that I come from.

You know, dance is the driver for me. The Pussy Cat Dolls was built on the dance community. And now I look back and it was like, I get how misguided these headlines, how easy these headlines were. But it's lazy. It's lazy. Always trying to pick women against women and call us strippers and call us all of these things. None of where it comes from or what it meant ever mattered to anybody.

But because they put that out there, then it just sways public opinion to be like, well, they're just strippers. or they're just that. But I think if anything, it made me dive back into my journaling. I did a lot of blogging. I had a blog called Beautiful Movement, so I was reaching out to people that felt like me. Early Doors.

Early Doors. Yeah. I didn't own my name at the time when I was trying to do the blog site. So I was like, well, what can I do to swerve that and started this whole movement with beautiful movements? What did you mean you didn't own your name at the time? When I knew that sort of the tough bits of the Pussy Cat Dolls was unavoidable, I had to start sort of planning, well, what is beyond this?

It was always meant to sort of be a stepping stone for what was to come next. And so writing has always been a huge part of me, journaling. God, I've been journaling since I was 17 years old, putting all these experiences in it. I had to share it with somebody, so I'd share it with myself. I mean, journaling is an amazing gift for healing as well. Massively. I would say circling back to that, I think journaling and art therapy, just painting for the sake of painting, those were two things that were huge for me.

You're a sort of creative, aren't you? It's amazing. Yeah. Everything about you, you need that release. I need it. I need it. Yeah, it's my lifeline. Yeah.

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you saw that it was going to be a bit troublesome at times. It was going to be troublesome to Vina. And that you might need to think of a life beyond that. What was it like when it got difficult? It was like the headlines were saying one thing, the business was saying another, and all of it was telling me that I was replaceable and worthless. And that was hard because it meant so much. It was so, my experience of it was so different.

But there was no outlet to, you were before, social media. There was no outlet to be able to control that narrative or have a say or be able to formulate it in a different way or share my experiences. So I needed an outlet. How frustrating was that? The most frustrating. The most frustrating, for sure. And to think, you know, you have these feelings. You know it's for good and it's for the betterment of wanting to stand up for your sisters and stand up for what this means. But there is no place to put it. I had to create a place. And luckily Will I.M. was doing a social media site called Dip Dive for Creatives. So I dove right in and started to do it.

I dipped doved. Straight into beautiful movements. I remember beautiful movements. See you? Yes. Yeah, you're telling you about that. Yeah. I've still got the most amazing community of people around the world that a lot of them were struggling

to come out to their parents and felt worthless or were dealing with self-harm and felt worthless. And I certainly was never trying to be the one to. make the change in their lives, but what I saw was by owning my own story, helped change them anyway. And they still come to all my DJ gigs and it still feels like such a family. It's incredible. What I thought was quite shocking about what you said earlier was about not feeling safe in the band. Like, you know, it had been your everything. It had literally rescued you, saved you.

Yeah. And then suddenly that's home. and you don't feel safe anymore. You're replaceable. Oh, that's the worst feeling in the world. I'd grown from such a low and got to such a place where I felt like I'd overcome so much

to then end up in a low again. Yeah. But my dreams have come true. How is it that the dream that was supposed to get me to this beautiful place has its downfall too to take you back to what you've been running from? Yeah.

So then to your beautiful movement I was starting to build a little bit of self-worth again. What I was trying to find another word for pride and I found the word hubris earlier. And what I love about you is your lack of hubris. Like you, it's not that you are a proud person, you're a proud woman, a dancer, but it's you're not too proud to, I'm sorry for using this term,

but to begin again, like at anything. Yeah. You are very happy to start at the bottom of somewhere and go. You were world famous. Yeah. You were instantly recognisable across the world. People screaming, don't you? I think you have a lot like me doing slap drops everywhere, you know.

And I was just looking to see if there's somewhere I could do a slap drop around here. Do you know? My husband's cousin is an editor. and he was doing some program, and he had to edit something about a slut drop. We didn't know what it was, so he googled it. And was it you? It was me. I don't even know if we're allowed to say the word sluttop anymore.

Can we please rename it? Yeah, let's rename it. Rename it. What should we rename it? Let's do that now. Hot drop. Hot drop. I love that.

Hot drop. I'm going to do a hot drop. I love that. That's much nicer. Yes, it is. Yeah, because we're hot. Exactly, and we're dropping. We're not the other thing.

Exactly. Oh my God, we've come up with a thing. It's already happening. So, you know, you were talking about finding a way out and kind of deciding that you knew there was going to be a time when it was all going to have to end. Yeah. But I was just talking about you being world famous. Yeah. And how humbling that is going back when you've been like that, that what expectations

did you think people have on you? Was that a weight for you or did you just think, no, I'm just going to graft. I've got to find another way of making money. I'm going to go and do something else. And sorry, also, did you make money out of the pussycat dolls or was it one of those cases where it's like a manager

makes all the money and the record company and you don't, because you sold 54 million records, right? Yeah. That is mental. That is mental. Yeah. We were the first 360 deal ever done in the music business. What was that mean?

So as every Napster was coming out, streaming was coming out, so labels were looking for a way to sort of save their asses. And the dolls was the first time that they became a partnership. So anything that we made was shared. Usually the label takes in just the album sales, whereas they're taking and touring and merchandise and branding deals and all of that. On top of that, it was also a joint venture between the pussycat dolls and the label, and then we were castmates in an agreement with the label. So yeah, the levels in which I didn't see that amount of money is definitely present. But I, again, your dream and ambition sometimes means so much more than money. Yes. But to what extent. Yes. And that's what it kind of came down to. I mean, that's quite

frustrating to look back at. Yeah. Maybe. Yes and no, because I knew it at the time, even though I was young and naive, I came to an agreement of when I signed that contract, I knew what I was getting myself into, and I needed to be mindful of that throughout. And I think that's why when things started to go a bit messy, I had to save my ass. I had to look for a way to just protect my future and see what that looked like for me. And when it finally, when it all kind of came to an end, and my mental health and physical health wasn't going to sustain what was being asked of me, that's when I had to put my ego aside, the identity of being a pop star and being known.

This is what I mean. It was a moment. It's a big deal, right? It's a big deal. You're a pop star. Not just a pop star, you are world famous. Yeah. It comes with an expectation.

You have to let it go. Oh, you have to let it go. Hard. So hard. The hardest. And you want to keep showing up for the fans and the way that they want to see you. But it's unsustainable.

And she social media had just started So a lot of wanting to connect was fan sites and all I was seeing is just images of me being a doll and being this version of me that they'd fallen in love with. And I crumbled it. It sort of took a head sledgehammer to it because I had to let go of my ego and that identity. And I just unfollowed everything to my own detriment. I hurt a lot of people and I feel so bad about that. I didn't realize how much a follow felt to certain people at that time. Oh, I see. Right.

But people were saying that I was dead to them and how dare I and all of this. So that just then piled on top of everything I was feeling. But I had to let go of my ego and that was the only way for me to do it is to stop living in a bubble of a representation that had been built of me that I had to set a standard for every time I woke up. Yeah. And then that meant I went back to sort of sit in in my piece and was like, well, what's the one thing that's always driven me is dance? So I came to London and I went and started teaching some dance classes teaching heels classes

and that's when I finally found God to dance and found my new home and my new family again. Did it just blow everybody's mind when they walked in? You were there, they'd be like... It did. Yeah, it did, absolutely.

And I think, you know, the leg tilt is a thing when I did when I grew up and came up with my leg tilt. That was like the sign. Just explain. It's the thing where you go. But you don't just go halfway up with the leg. She goes up with the, we're going to put a clip of it in.

Molly, get the clip in. The leg comes up and then it doesn't just go up. She goes further. I'm going to show that to Michael. I'm going to go, that's what you're aiming for. That's the new thing. Forget the box splits. Get your flexly stretch around.

Do more. It's going to literally blow his mind. He's going to let go of all. trauma. Hips, wide open. But I mean, that was, that was a like... And for me in that moment, that was a little bit of a clapback. It was being in like, in the pussycat dolls.

And, you know, I'm a dancer singer. Dancer will always be first in my soul. And I think the control over the group was to control perception of being single women and being pop stars and being a certain thing and controlling who is where I'm doing what. And I always wanted to wave the flag for dance, but didn't feel like I had an outlet for that. I wasn't sort of allowed to do that. So quietly, doing that leg tilt, let all the dance community know, it's like, I got you. And so I think then coming to the UK, it was like, and teaching that class and seeing the looks on people's faces to think that I would give back all of these experiences that I've had and allow them a chance to feel like a pussycat doll in heels and dance and be free and get their.

legs up and open those hips it it felt like okay purpose man purpose work giving back to people that need it to the next generation to those that just need to feel self-confident and self-aware and feel like there's purpose through movement and expression and just being fine being themselves that was like okay this is this is where it's at I mean it's back to basics it's back to base there's so much Yes. It's, it's, and this is, this is your safety. Yeah. Like you have created your own place.

Mm-hmm. Of safety. Yeah. Well done. Thanks. Oh, I really mean it. Thank you. You've lived a big, complicated, difficult life.

But you're a huge part of that, Davina, because when I got and got to dance, you opened your arms to me and gave me a space to feel safe. And, you know, being on the panel with Ashley and Adam and Astid, like, it gave me a place to put all of the stuff that I had worked so hard. And I felt like any 30 seconds I had to speak, I had to plant a seed in that dancer to help them reach for their potential as artists, athletes and people. I had a purpose to make it different, to do something, to have an outlet, to have a voice for good. And God to Dance gave me that. I hope you don't mind, but I want to just go back to talk to you about your parents because when you left home, you kind of left home. There was no going back.

There was no going back. Yeah. It's interesting. Other people's reactions to being, stepping back from your own parents are quite a lot to handle. Yes. So how have other people handled you taking a step back from your parents? How has it been for you? And where are you at now with them?

I think family-wise, especially amongst my brother and sister, there is such an understanding. And we didn't talk a lot for the longest time because we're all dealing with our own sort of traumas and things. But where that's left us now is a real beautiful sort of, we allow space for each other and our own stuff and allow for each other to be able to still be a sounding board for anything that might come up.

Right. So you're close to your siblings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What I love about having a sibling is that siblings are really the only people who know exactly. You are. Nobody, nobody understands.

That's Caroline. She knows exactly who I am. Like no one will ever know because no one's ever experienced what you have, but your siblings. Absolutely. Very important. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, my siblings have been through their own stuff, especially my brother. You know, he lost his father at a really young age and he's been through his own battles. And I think he needs to know that I love him and being able to be that part of his life. What's his name? Stephen. Stephen. We love you. She loves you.

And he shows up for me like nobody else. And I just, I'm so grateful for it. But touching on what you said, it's been a really challenging part is not having that family background. And I think when you cut ties, you're judged for it thinking that you must have done something wrong. Yeah. And I find that really difficult. Yeah. How do you rise above that? You can't explain that way.

And even doing it was not too long ago, I was doing dancing on ice. And I could see, you know, those that are surrounded by family, they feel like a son. safe person to love and support. And if you don't have that, it does give off an energy that people don't know where to place. They don't fully trust you. They don't feel, you know, if parents can love and you're showing a respect and that for them, then, oh, they must be a good person. It's hard to be like, I think I'm a, I know I'm a good person, but I can't, I can't prove it. If you need other people to prove it for me, I don't have that. Your kids can. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I've never heard it talked about like that before. That's really interesting. Yeah. That's why it's kind of shocking, that people kind of assume that it must be something to do with you. You must have done something wrong. Yeah. And we can never get away from that. It's isolating.

It is. Yeah. Quickly want to talk about Max. Yes. Because you married a Brit. I did. Well, don't Kimmel. Well done. Well done. That happened. You are literally nauseatingly attractive couple.

He's such a lovely guy, Max. He just celebrated 12 years. We did. Congratulations. Mirage, crazy. How was it? Yeah, it was, it's amazing. I mean, I've never done anything for 12 years. That's your most successful relationship ever. It is. And yeah, gosh, to think all those years ago, close so five, you walked me down the runway soon enough. We were falling in love and moving to the UK and starting a whole new life, a whole new chapter, a whole new beginning. Three kids. Three kids later. It's just, it's my biggest success. It's everything I live for.

It changes who you are. I never felt so grounded and so happy. Sometimes you get mixed up in the world and the whirlwind of work and school runs and trying to make sure you get everything and you never quite hit the mark of getting everything done. where if I sit, I often do. I'm like, I wouldn't change anything. I am so happy. I have everything I've ever dreamed of or wanted or wished for. And that's a thing in its own right.

Well, everything is different. Everything is different. Yeah. And when you've been a flighter for a long time and you just finally have to sit in your little surrey beautiful bubble, there's a lot of work to be done in that as well. And 12 years later, I feel like I've done a lot of work to be in my own two shoes, in my own space, and feel like, you know, I'm ready to fight for this now. And also just to breathe, just go, you know, it's like almost your shoulders because you're like this.

And suddenly you can kind of go, oh, wow, okay, this feels nice, right? Yeah. That feels amazing. There's a couple of things I want to ask you. These are just daft questions. but firstly I was thinking about a lyric here we were talking about this before the show started and I just need to know here

you did say boobies I'm sorry it's groobies it's boobies so we do this it's confusing you do this what am I supposed to think no but honestly it's it's boobies it's groobies it's groupies I reckon you said boobies

and then the record label was like, you can't say that. Okay, it sounds like groupies. Let's change it to that. It's groupies. Yeah, what I certainly wanted boobies, I tell you. What's it like? Because I know you guys are kind of planning something.

Can you just give us a bit of an insight into what is going on because this is very, very exciting? Oh my gosh. Well, it's been a while. years since the last time we were together and so that was 2019 yeah and that was wait let's just quickly just go over that because that was difficult yeah you guys did reform you'd had a baby yeah c-section you've literally been sewn together jumping off state jumping off like madness but it was a

hard time for you guys it didn't go as you heard oh my gosh it was COVID man all the girls that we've done all the promo we'd been here Australia everything was going really well well and it was the first day of our three weeks of rehearsal the girls had flown over from L.A. Literally had to turn around and fly back because it was the first day of lockdown. So all of lockdown, I was teaching Pussycat Dolls routines thinking, well, tour's going to come back and it didn't. And I found out sort of just as I was going on dancing on ice, one of our first shows, and was just devastated. Like I said, the Dole's means so much to me. and it has such a purpose in my life.

And like I was ready to finally live that out, sort of need a bit of closure, need for it to come to its own potential. And can I just say something? We needed that. You know what I mean? It's like we were robbed. Yeah.

COVID-19 was terrible for many reasons. And that was one of them. And this post that you did on your Instagram was just so brilliant. It was like, well, did you say in it again? It was like something like, are you, Are you ready or hang on Are you ready? Yeah something like that

God I loved it I was like Yes! I'm ready! Are you ready? Are you ready? Yes. I was born ready So tell me.

So it's looking like I think as women It's important to come back together and make this all happen again and just go for it And I think this time around, you know, a lot of the things that really meant so much for me and the dolls, you know, wanting to have a purpose and shine a light and own our space and allow for the audience to feel that way too. We are ready to entertain. So can I just ask you coming back as a mum?

Yeah. You know, a wife, different energy, but the same energy. Yeah. How important is it for you to fly the flag for other women? at that stage of their lives going like anything is possible. It's so important. It's like the most important thing in a way. Because not am I flying the flag for women.

I'm flying it from moms. And I'm flying it from my own kids and my own dance academy. We do all these competitions. Everybody's always dancing to pussycat dolls. We've got our own performance icons to pussycat doll music. My kids want to put on when I grow up, roll down the windows, and blare it on the school run. My oldest doesn't want me to go into the school unless I look like a pussycat dog

because she needs her friends to know that her mom's a pussycat. doll. So just to be able to circle back at this stage of life, it means a lot. I'm a pussycat. I am. This is what I am. This is why I am. It's a huge part of me as well. And I want to tap back into that energy of what it meant to be and be able to fly that flag again. Probably one last time. Never say that. Yeah. It's like there's always time and space to come back. back again and again and again. And I think this idea of still being able to be young, vibrant and sexy at any age is really

important. It is. I am going to dress inappropriately for the rest of my life. I'm going to make it appropriate to dress like this forever because I think nobody gets to tell us when we're part of it. our cell by date. No. We decide that.

We decide that. And putting that latex back on and tapping back into those big heels and hair and makeup. I was like, this is fun. I like her. This is a part of your character that you don't always get to tap into. But the pussycat dolls gives you the ability to do that. And again, doing all these dance competitions, the kids, the dance community understands what the dolls is about. You know, the costumes, the hair, the makeup, the music,

being able to move a certain way, the kids get it. So to be able to wave that flag and say, not only do you get it now, but you can get it for the rest of your life. But also to see you going back, doing it again, the graft, the work, the energy that you have to put into it. I mean, for your kids, your kids are dancing, right? They're dancing, yes. And they're doing great, right?

They're doing brilliantly. Oh my gosh. I can't even tell you, seeing them on stage and what it does for them is just insane. It's like looking like little me up there. Did I inadvertently give Willow her name? You named our child. Yeah. You named our child. Can you just explain how that happened?

So I was doing the jump, learning winter sports in Austria. Yeah. We've done a lot together, haven't we? Yeah, we have. Well, I was checking back in. And on the flight back, Max and I were giggling because we're getting married in two weeks. And you came to chat to us and we were so embarrassed because you were like, well, what are you guys talking about? Like what?

Future kids' names? And you said, you know, I've got a brilliant name for you. I remember looking at him like, what is it? What is it? And you said, Willow. And you walked away and both of us looked each other like, that is the perfect name if it's a daughter. And out came our Willow. And you know, when we see you on tell you, you're doing your thing, we always say, Willow, that's the woman that named you.

There's Davina. So I was with her this morning, getting ready for the school run. And I said, I'm going to be with Davina. She's like the one that named me. So good. She says, well, I've got a name for her. Oh, yeah. Are you ready for this?

Yes. My God, Deva McCall. It is so good. Deva McCall. It is so good. Isn't it just? A twist and a kiss. And what? And then our second child, based on the tree thing, we went with Maple. the words keep each other alive. Like his sisters, we hope you always keep each other alive. And Senna?

And Senna. So my father-in-law was a race car driver, F1 Ford, I think it was. Oh, wow. And he looked a lot like it in Senna back in the day with curly hair and the whole thing. And so my husband, always being a big fan of it in Senna, was like, if we have a boy, that boy's been named Senna. So he's named Senna. Wow.

God, that's amazing. And they must be super excited about you guys coming back. They are beyond excited. Not only, it's not even about CNS on stage. It's the possibility that they can get on the stage. That's their dream. They're like, can you get us on stage? You're going to do that there, right?

I have to. I have to. So what does the line up look like? Who is everybody back? So it's looking like me, Nicole and Ashley. Three of us. Oh, my God. The three of us.

Amazing. Yeah. And do choreography going well? We'll be jumping right into that very soon. Yeah, great. So the plans are in place. Okay. I might have to teach me a move.

Always. Yeah. I'm always here to teach you. Okay, great, great. Yeah. And also you're going to be touring. Yeah. And new music coming out.

Yes. Can I just, am I allowed to tell people? Yeah, go on. I've heard it. Yeah. It's a banger. I mean, honestly, like, what did I have to do last night? Yeah.

I actually had to text Kimberley Go, it's happened. You know, because I was like, you know, when somebody messages you and they go, I've written something or do it and you go, please be good. Please be good, please be good. Because I love you so much and I was like, please, please let me love it. Oh my God, it did not disappoint.

I was like, it's like grindy, bit sexy. It is. It's all those things. Totally like amazing. Get your girls together and throw down. And your boys. And your boys. Get your boys together.

All the boys. boys um kimberley i i just want to say i am so proud of you thank you you are such a shining light of um how to pick yourself up dust yourself off start again pick yourself up dust yourself off you are a grafter um but you also bring us all so much joy Thank you. Thank you so much. Kimberly Wyatt, everybody. In a woman, drop.

Hang on. Squat, look at the spots. Look how low she goes. The hot drop. Right? The hot drop. Wait, wait, I'm going to move this mic out of the way. Give me, wait, watch this, everybody.

Give me a Kimberly, like, stand up from there. Okay. Yes, queen. Look at her! Look at her! Can you come on and let's accept me for a surprise for you. Four surprises. What? How?