Behind the Bastards - Ben Shapiro Wrote A Book About Sex

Episode Date: October 21, 2021

Robert is joined by Sofiya Alexandra to read Ben Shapiro's book about sex. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ben Shapiro is one of our favorite worst people who is simultaneously far too personally boring to get an episode dedicated to his life. And hilarious enough that we continue to analyze his work. And today I've brought on Sophia Alexandra, one of my favorite guests, to talk about a subject. Sophia, you do a podcast about sex, right? You're something of a sexpert. Would that be fair? I sure do. I have a podcast called Private Parts Unknown about love and sex around the world. And as such, I would do what I would describe as anti-Ben Shapiro-ing, as in I try to make sure people get wet. So, Sophia, I think that may be unfair, and I think you actually might have a lot to learn from Ben Shapiro.

And so, as a service to you... As a small brain woman, I'm sure I can. As a service to you, I'm going to play this video of Ben Shapiro explaining the concept of pegging. Oh, no. Oh, no. At least she trusts in gay. That's pretty exciting, and gay we trust, is we had Megan Rapinoe, and then we had Kara Dillavine. And I may be screwing up her name, but frankly, I don't care, because I really don't know very much who she is.

Apparently, she's some sort of model. And here, she was modeling a bib slash straight jacket. I don't know what this top is supposed to be, and it says, peg the patriarchy. Oh, the courage. Oh, the stunning courage and bravery. Peg the patriarchy. Because pegging, of course, is an obscure sexual practice in which women perform the more aggressive sexual act on men. Peg the patriarchy, right? Which, yeah.

And she's pegging the patriarchy by being a model for the pleasure of men, generally speaking. Okay, that's enough. I just needed the explanation of pegging as a woman performing the, and then he stutters like nine times, aggressive part of sex. But also, it's a rare act. Yeah, rare. It tells you a lot about Ben, because one of the things it tells you, like, if you have never pleased a sexual partner with a vagina, you might believe that you cannot be penetrated and do so aggressively.

But you can. Also, I don't know who understands less about pegging the patriarchy, Cara Delevingne or Ben Shiffy. Yeah, I mean, like, I think that was a ridiculous thing. Because pegging objectively feels good. That is why you would do it. And she's like, can we, it's like, let's blow the patriarchy. I'm like, no, can we not? Because there's nothing bad about pegging.

And that's like the inherent implication of that. Yeah, it's wonderful. It's unpleasant. No, it's lovely. But, like, yeah. Anyway, I just, Ben Shapiro's understanding of sex is always just a beautiful thing. And Sophia, what if I were to tell you that Benethan Shapiro wrote an entire book about sex? Do you mean Bentefer?

Bentefer Shapiro? Yeah. Benethan? Benes? Benofs? Benes? Stopheles? I don't know.

I don't know. Whatever. How would you feel if I told you that, Sophia? I would laugh very hard. And that is why I'm excited to be on this episode. Well, he did. He published the book, Porn Generation. I believe it was published in 2008.

So back before, you know, anybody knew who Ben Shapiro was. Talking about my porn generation. Yeah. I almost got that one, Sophia, almost. Oh, no, the who? Yeah. Oh, wait. You don't even know about the who?

Is that the who? I know about the who. Tommy was the first album I ever bought. I finally found a fucking pop culture reference from a million years ago. Did you recognize that song? Tommy is one of my favorite pieces of music. I mean. Yeah, it's fucking awesome.

The who are awesome. It was quite an era in which you could have a rock opera that included a song about your uncle Ernie molesting you, which is a banger, like a very, very like morally confusing banger. Yes, it is. It's a fiddle about an incredible song. The catcher in the rye of songs. Now, Sophia, sorry, it was 2013 that he wrote this book. Still, before any reasonable person had ever heard of Ben Shapiro.

It's called. Obviously, that's the year that orgasms were invented. Correct. Because none had occurred until Ben Shapiro wrote this book. Not in the Shapiro family for certain. So it's called porn generation, how social liberalism is corrupting our future. The title is is it looks like. Look up this title for me because I'm trying to figure out what's actually going on with

the title. It appears to be. It appears to be the word porn in red with I'm not sure if that's a cock ring or just a nose ring on the word porn. Like if that's the maybe a belly button ring, it's weird that it's there's like just a ring on it. Oh, I think it is so vague. Yeah.

As he's just against the concept of piercings. Yeah, I think it might be just like her. He's like, what do porn stars have piercings? Yes. It's very funny. 2013 concern. Yeah. I understand being scared of piercings like I don't know.

1961. Yeah. Yeah. When a nose piercing meant that you were like three seconds away from executing an act of sexual terrorism, but not in 2013. So the cover also has one of those explicit warning explicit lyric sign, which I think is ironic. And then there's a quote from Ann Coulter on the front.

Ben Shapiro is writing a smart informative and incisive. He is wise behind his ears without losing the refreshing fearlessness of youth. Yes. When I think of Ben Shapiro, I think fearless. I'm sorry. Did you say wise beyond his ears? Yeah. Wise beyond his ears.

He knows that the act of penetration is fundamentally aggressive. He literally just found out women get wet last year. Yeah. Well, I don't know that he found that out. It's not like he's a wonder kid. Because as I recall, his wife told him that a vagina being wet was a sign of infection. She did. She said, there's something wrong with these women.

I, for example, you know, don't get wet. I have never been wet in my life. And no one ever does. And the only people I get wet with are people outside of this marriage. God, that's sad. Can I get an amen? Every time. People are anonymously fucking on Tinder.

He talks about sex. He owns himself to a degree that I didn't realize was possible. Like I repeatedly have gift people so much ammunition to dunk on you and not even like it's incredible. It's breathtaking. Like it's like you would have to if you were not, if you didn't have the natural gifts Ben Shapiro had, you would have to create a like you would have to work as a full time job to be owned that hard. Did he not get bullied as a kid?

I mean, I think he was homeschooled. Oh, but probably still yes. The world has bullied Ben Shapiro. Because like, you know, I was bullied and you know exactly what shit is going to be ammunition. How do you, how do you live here on God's green internet or just typing shit? Like I don't know how to please women. Yeah. It's incredible.

It's just crazy. It's just amazing. So the, it opens with a dedication. This is written by Ben to all members of my generation striving to maintain their dignity, honor, virtue and innocence in a chaotic culture and to their parents. I will remind you because he talks about maintaining his innocence that a little less than a decade before this, when he was I think 17, Ben Shapiro wrote a column for a conservative website arguing that there's no such thing as civilian casualties in Afghanistan and we shouldn't

care how many women and children our bombs kill. Innocence. Pegging is aggressive, but, but celebrating the, the murder of civilians by 21st century weaponry is totally fine. That is Ben Shapiro's ethical stance. Who the fuck is the intended audience? Cause he just tried to pretend like it was for parents and kids. Well, I guess I think I can help you here because chapter one is titled a generation lost.

And it opens up with a quote from John Locke, who as you may know, is a man who never fucked. Absolutely did not fuck. The John Locke quote is. Hobbes fucked though, for sure. Oh, Hobbes, Hobbes didn't do anything but fuck. The only reason we have writings from Hobbes is that somebody was taking them down while he was in mid bone. He just dictated them all like David Milch writing Deadwood.

He occasionally had to take a like a syphilis break and that's when you would knock out some writing and then he would just go right back to fucking. Yeah. That's the syphilis. Locke could never. So the, the Locke quote is virtue was harder to be got than knowledge of the world. And if lost in a young man is seldom recovered. John Locke, he's just being like, don't learn things.

Just stay innocent and hide. That's kind of what that sounds like. And also the nightmare of thinking that you are as a person completely static and you cannot change. Well, you should be static, changing, growing. These are all bad things. That is kind of the essence of conservatism. And that's why he never got hard.

He's against growing. No, he is against growing. So his dick would not get hard. No, no, no, you celebrate that. So here's, here's how this book opens. This has been I am a member of a lost generation. We have lost our values. We have lost our faith and we have lost ourselves as societal standards and traditional values

have declined and the crassest elements of sexual deviancy and pornography have taken over the public square. It is the youngest Americans who have paid the price. Never in our country's history has a generation been so empowered, so wealthy, so privileged and yet so empty. I want to look up the levels of wealth in the millennials just to point out that he's comprehensively wrong about everything. Oh, do you mean the generation that objectively is doing way worse than their parents?

Yeah. So millennials are 80% as wealthy as their parents were at this age. And this is from Bloomberg in almost every way measurable. Millennials in the U.S. at 40 are doing worse financially than the generations that came before them. It's incredible. Millennials own less than 5% of all U.S. wealth and like 2% of that alone is Mark Zuckerberg. It's hysterical how wrong he is because he's an idiot.

I'm not going to read the rest of the book in my Ben Shapiro voice because people will stop listening and they ought to. But I just kind of felt the need to with that. He's like if a tool and a toad had a gross baby, somehow sexless, I cannot. If Gilbert Grape and Gilbert Godfrey had a baby and then that baby, I don't know. I don't even know what could be sad enough to happen to a baby to make it Ben Shapiro. I guess that's the mystery of Ben Shapiro is how did someone this sad come about? And I have some information on that answer, but I cannot share it.

So, Ben goes on to say this book is not written from the perspective of a parent, a sociologist, or a teacher, but of a peer. So there's the answer to your question, Sophia. So it's for no one. This is my generation, the porn generation. And for good or ill, we are all America's future. So that's very funny. I would pay good fucking money for Ben Shapiro's porn history.

If anyone is a hacker and has that information, allegedly, allegedly post it. I also just want to go on to note, because the point here is that Ben Shapiro is comprehensively wrong about everything. He's wrong about this being a generation of sexual deviancy. Millennials in generation Z are having less casual sex than Generation X or the baby boomers, according to a 2018 study. Actually, less sex in general, period. Yeah, less sex, less alcohol consumption, more social media, living with parents for longer. Yeah, that came out in, there was a study about that in 2014. So again, Ben Shapiro, if Ben Shapiro makes a claim, you just have to assume the opposite is true.

Yep. So he goes on to blame. And that's how his wife tries to get him to find her clit. She's like, okay, if I say left, this motherfucker is going to go right. Yeah. Okay, so that's just how I'm going to reverse engineer this shit. And still, still bone dry, bone dry. No, the last time she tried to get him to find her clit, he wound up in hypha.

Actually, that is why he's such a rabid Zionist. It allows him to avoid his wife's vagina. He thinks it's the clitoris. My man winds up in the Dead Sea. You're in her DMs. I am in hypha looking for her clit. So he blames the deviancy of the current generation, which is, he's talking about millennials here. It's 2013.

Generation Z wasn't really much of a topic of discussion. He blames the deviancy on moral relativism, radical feminism, and generational nihilism. So that's great. Come on, punch you in your nerd face, you dummy. I know. What a stupid baby. What a dumbass. He says that instead of adopting stronger moral standards, our society has embraced the lure of personal fulfillment.

In a world where all values are equal, where everything is simply a matter of choice, narcissism rules the day. Our culture has bred hollow young men obsessed with self-gratification. Young women are told to act like sex objects and enjoy it. The revisionist historians have effectively labeled obscenity as a right that the founding fathers sought to protect. Society told the porn generation that final moral authority rests inside each of us, and in our vanity, we listened. Wait. I didn't mean to fade into the voice. It just happens.

If you're acting like a sexual object and you're enjoying it, how are you acting? That is completely a statement that makes zero sense. Yeah, it's really outstanding. Right, I know what else is outstanding. If you're acting like you like gay sex and you're enjoying it, hey, guess what? I got news for you. You're invited to this year's Pride Parade. Okay, that is all.

Before we move into ads, I want to note one other thing Ben got wrong, because you could argue. We already pointed out that millennials and generations that you have less sex with fewer partners than the generations before them, so they are objectively less slutty. But you might argue, well, but Ben is also saying that porn is the problem. So maybe his argument is right, and because of all of the porn we're consuming, we're fucking less, which isn't the argument Ben is making. He's comprehensively wrong. But I want to note that there, I want to just read a quote from VICE about the argument that, like, is porn why millennials are fucking less. Unfortunately, there's one problem with this explanation. It's completely wrong.

In a study published earlier this year in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, researchers analyzed a quarter century's worth of data from the General Social Survey, a nationally representative U.S. survey conducted most years that inquires about American sex lives, among other things. Since 1989, participants have been asked two key questions, whether they have seen a pornographic movie in the last year and how often they were having sex during the same time period. This allowed researchers to see whether these two things were related. It turns out that Americans across the board, not just millennials, were having less sex today than they were in the past. However, millennials were doing it less than everyone else, and while this decline in sexual activity was linked to porn use, the results probably weren't what you were expecting. Specifically, rather than being linked to less sex, watching porn was actually linked to having more sex. In other words, though porn might seem like the logical target to blame when it comes to why millennials and everyone else are getting laid less often, it's not the right one.

So, if it's not porn, then what else might be going on? Another common sense explanation is that it's due to changes in work-life balance. Working more should translate to a lexactive sex life. However, the news archive study also discounts this possibility, finding that, unexpectedly, working longer hours, like watching porn, was linked to more sex. Instead, what we're seeing here has likely to do with changing marriage patterns. Studies have pretty consistently found that married people tend to have more sex than single people. However, given that millennials are waiting longer and longer to get married, the average age of a first marriage is now closer to 30, perhaps that's part of the reason why they're less sexually active.

So, in other words, millennials are fucking less because they're doing the thing that Ben Shapiro says they should be doing, which is waiting longer to have sex and having fewer sexual partners. Again, these people's understanding of everything that's actually happening in society is completely off. It's the same way that people who are against abortion are also against birth control. You're like, okay, well, are you gonna shoot all the babies? I don't understand. The pregnant women, you're killing the pregnant women, got it. Yeah, there's a lot of reasons.

It's not just like people are waiting longer for marriage. There's a number of reasons. Some people suspect that antidepressant medication has an impact on it. But as a general rule, comprehensively, the argument that this generation is somehow more sexually depraved and active than before isn't the case. And the most you can say is that now people are talking a little bit more about some of the weird sex stuff that they've always done. I have a theory, too, as to why I think that millennials are fucking less. It's because of the rampant insecurity in being alive because most people don't have a safety net. There's been a housing collapse.

There's been a pandemic. I mean, there's been nothing since fucked up shit since 9-11 was something that kids could remember. People are miserable and depressed. Yeah, sorry if people don't fuck as much because they're like, I don't have health care and I am housing insecure. Good news, Ben. The world that you've enthusiastically tried to build has made people so miserable that they're fucking less. Yeah, that's a pretty simple explanation. And my confirmation for that is like vacation syndrome.

When you go on vacation suddenly you're like, oh my God, I'm so fun and interesting and I do cool shit and I fuck all the time here. And then you're like, oh, what's different? Oh, is it that I feel not shackled to the capitalist fucking chains of my work week and the ways in which the place I live has failed me? Oh, that must be it. Okay, that's what makes you horny. Great. You know what makes me horny, Sophia? Goods and services.

Specifically the products and services that support this podcast. Nothing else gets me hard, but what is it? Is it ExxonMobil today, Sophie? I certainly hope not. Oh, just if you want to get- It's a combination gun fentanyl store. Well, no, that would get me pretty hard. Well, let's keep our fingers crossed.

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Ah, we're back and we're talking about Ben Shapiro's book on sex. So this first little bit ends with the paragraph, the porn generation now inhabits a world where empowered means sex with no strings attached. The old faith and traditional morality was too bourgeoisie, archaic, sexist, and closed minded for this brave new world. Our new God is tolerance of all behavior. Our new credo, live and let live. Imagine thinking like live and let live is bad. Is new? Yeah, or it is like negative. And again, just he's comprehensively wrong about every single factual claim he makes.

I'm like the Beatles wrote a literal fucking jam about it years ago. A real banger of a song. You really think that that shit is new? And also he's like, you know what sucks? Freedom. The exact freedom that I think, wait a minute, I've talked myself into a corner. I guess I love freedom, but I also hate it. So the next chapter, or not chapter, section of the book starts with, as children, members of the porn generation are presented with morally subversive sexual education programs at increasingly younger ages. 9 year olds are lectured about condom use. 12 year olds are pushed to make decisions about their sexual orientation.

15 year olds are expected to have said goodbye to virginity. And again, I guess it is probably true that kids are getting better sex at younger. Maybe that's part of why they're having less casual sex is they're getting more sex ed and learning about STDs. I don't know. I doubt it has an impact on that. But whatever the case, it's certainly not making them fuck more because as is stated, they're fucking less. I mean, and also like I just have to be honest that I do remember when I turned 12 that somebody did come up to me and put a gun to my head and asked me to choose my sexual orientation. And I panicked. So I said bye. And now I'm obligated to like both men and women and just all gender spectrums because they put that gun to my head.

They made me decide at 12, they pushed me. And that's how it is for all of us who are bisexual. I was forced at gunpoint at age 12 to watch Moe's death in the Hitchhiker's Guide movie and violently told to be aroused by it. And there's just, you know, it did incalculable damage. Yes, yes, yes. Getting wet to wild things, I would have to say as they're getting wet in the pool. Yeah, yeah, that's traumatic because I literally was being, you know, tied to a chair and forced to watch that and masturbate. Yeah, I, as a result of this childhood trauma, I can't watch Pedro Pascal in a movie without needing to turn the air conditioning on.

So specific. I am with you. I am in this scene. Literally who isn't? You don't even have to be bi to be into Pedro Pascal. Okay. So, um, all right. So been here, okay, here's been dropping a fact, I'm interested in this. So, um, oh, actually, okay.

In college, drug use, alcohol use and sexual experimentation are the norm. As one Harvard girl told me, we're jaded and it's fun. Fun to this girl meant trips to Amsterdam to smoke different types of marijuana. To others, fun means binge drinking or random sex. This fucking nerd. I can't even. You fucking baby. Just because no one ever invited you to a fucking party does not mean you have to be such a sour little dick about everything. And also, let's be frank here. If you've ever been to California where Ben lives, Amsterdam weed is weak shit.

It is. It just is. It's way worse than fucking Cal. I was impressed by Amsterdam pot when I went there from Texas. But my God, the West anyway, whatever. Ben is comprehensively wrong again. All right, here's a Guardian article. They drink less, take far fewer drugs and have made teenage pregnancy a near anomaly. Generation Z, one of several terms used to describe the post-millennial youth born after 1996, preferred juice bars to pub crawls, ranked quality family time ahead of sex, and prioritized good grades before friendship,

at least according to a report published by the British Pregnancy Advisory Service last week. And there's studies in the U.S. that find, again, most like millennials in Generation Z are drinking less than previous generations using less illicit drugs. The exception is fucking painkillers, because again, painkillers like numb emotional pain. So the fucking problem here, like Ben's focusing on like, they're having sex, they're smoking marijuana at no Ben, they're addicted to fucking painkillers. That's the thing they're actually doing more. And they're not doing it more because we've made it okay to be degenerate. They're doing it more because painkillers are widely available and make lifeless, miserable.

And people who have spent a lot of time donating money to you are the same motherfuckers who were pushing those painkillers for fucking decades. Ding, ding, ding. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, okay. So he goes on to cite a study from Details Magazine in Random House that's a survey of college students. 46% had had a one night stand. 43% had cheated on a study partner. 21% had tried to get someone drunk or high to get them in bed.

32% had slept with someone knowing they would never call again. Oh, so this is fun. So he cites this stuff and he says nothing about previous generations. So again, he's just talking about how many millennials have had one night stands as opposed to being like, how does this compare to previous generations? Is this happening more often or less often? And the reason he doesn't actually do that comparatively is because they're doing it less often. Yeah, exactly.

So he's just citing statistics about a single generation completely separate from actually analyzing them with any historical context. So, brah, let people have a one night stand if they have one and they realize that that person isn't for them. And that's it. That's better than fucking getting married to some woman you stalked when you were in the 50s until she fucking forcibly agreed to marry you because she just got tired. Like, then you're in a relationship with her forever and neither of you are in love and she puts her head in the oven and your kids don't know what love is. So why don't you just let people have one night stands? How about that? Because Ben is an incredible journalist.

He goes from citing this one study without any sort of context as to how any of these things have changed over time. And then he provides us with a case study of a young woman whose college experience, he says is emblematic of young women these days. That young woman isn't real. The case study he cites is Charlotte Simmons, who is a character in a Tom Wolf novel. Ben says that her story quote carries enormous weight. Let me present my factual case study. The case is one of a boy called Harry Potter.

Can you stop laughing because he is part of it. This is proof that millennials are into witchcraft. Witchcraft is not funny, okay? Based on the case study of Harry Potter, it's incredible because also he's being like, this story carries weight because it's so true and like, okay, so your case study of how millennial women are behaving is a book by baby boomer author Tom Wolf in 2004. Hey, Ben, couple of notes. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Some good fucking work. Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, he goes on, wow, this goes on for like a page and a half. There are thousands of Charlotte Simmons's in the porn generation when you're surrounded by encouragement leading you to subjective morality, sexuality and hedonism. When you can't retreat to a safe haven, it's simply easier to capitulate than to fight. Ben. Yeah, okay, so let's see what else this book has in it.

Capitulate is what his wife does when he tries to have sex with her. Yeah, I mean, it capitulates a strong word. Come on my stomach, just fucking, just fine. That's what every woman loves, Ben. Come on, just, I'll read the Wall Street Journal, just fucking do it. No, we have to take a two week break because of how dry it was, we both got carpet burn. Chapter two is titled Fun with Bananas and it opens with a quote by Dr. Laura Schleschinger. Oh, God, no, oh, why?

Yeah, well, because he's Ben Shapiro. Here's Dr. Laura. And because there's not a lot of, how do you say, actual sources in the conservative community. No, and again, you've seen his source. One of his major sources in chapter one is a fictional book about a fictional girl. It's rad. You're just mad because you weren't invited to her birthday party. Ben was never invited to a birthday party.

In public school systems across the country, they're indoctrinating kids to be sexual under the guise of protecting them. When you know that's not true, I think it is indoctrination for left-wing agendas. Great. Here's how it opens. The chapter opens. This has been now. I was nine years old in fourth grade, says Katie, a cute 22 year old suburban girl from the northeast. She's a brilliant Harvard Law student and a relatively happy person.

At her upper middle-class elementary school, she had her first brush with sex ed, porn generation style. One day, they told us they were going to teach us about family life. They didn't separate us or anything. They said that people could engage in oral, anal, and regular sex, but didn't explain what the terms meant. I can't remember any moral judgments being made. They gave us booklets with line drawings of what happens as puberty progresses. They also told us that sex can get you pregnant, that it can give you diseases. There was a lot of focus on HIV.

They said the only way to be 100% safe was abstinence. Then they sent all the girls to the nurse who told us that if we bled, we weren't dying and ended out in maxipads in Tampa. That's... I don't think that's perfectly reasonable. I actually think it's too much of a focus on abstinence, but that's very conservative. That's extremely conservative sex ed. I mean, it's just a bunch of it as facts. Yeah, all of this is basically factual.

What the issue is. Again, I think an unreasonable focus on abstinence, but that's not technically incorrect. I mean, it is the only way not to get pregnant. I don't think that's a wise focus, but nothing there is inaccurate. We've already learned from studies that abstinence-only education does not work. But all the other things were just facts. Too way conservative. That should be pretty inoffensive sex ed. But obviously, and again, I like that he focused on like, they didn't separate the boys and the girls.

Which they did in my sex ed, by the way, and my sex ed was fucking useless. Anyway, of course he had to mention she's cute. They're like, she's good looking and this is important because only good looking people agree with me. A total troll. I do love that it's both like Ben Shapiro, our generation is too obsessed with sex. It's also been Shapiro, people need to know if I thought this source was hot. That's good journalism. What a fucking tool.

It's incredible. A girl that he supposedly is bringing as an example of, oh, she doesn't like how sexualized the education was. And then he immediately sexualized her, being like, she's cute. As an actual journalist who's written for actual publications not owned by friends of my father. Fuckable college student Katie doesn't like our education. The most common piece of editorial advice or editorial question you get is like, but was this source hot? How would you rank them? Usually in just parentheses, you write like a number, you know, just like between a one and a 10.

Because people need to know. You see my notes. When I looked at your, you know, journalistic efforts, I always just red line everything. And I say hot or not in the mountains. Yeah. Yeah. As I talked to the mother of the dead boy, she's a solid seven. The child regrettably was a three.

Oh God. So here's how this continues. Katie's parents were given the option to opt out of this explicit instruction for their nine year old, but they didn't. In fact, no one opted out in fourth grade and only one person opted out in the following years of sex ed. According to Katie, she got sex ed nine times over every year from fourth to 12th grade. The classes were co-ed all the way through. In seventh grade, they were showing condoms. We made balloons out of them.

They had a goodie box full of birth control implements, condoms, diaphragms. Man, my school had none of that and we had a bunch of teen pregnancies. In seventh grade, someone said that their friends in eighth grade were already having sex, but that wasn't common. If I had to guess, I'd say that by the end of high school, about 15% of the kids in the class were having sex and they were all the popular kids, but I was in the advanced class where no one was really doing anything. Sounds pretty low, actually. Sounds like maybe all that sex ed led to kids being less sexually active than, I don't know, your parents' generation were, Ben. It's hella low, but also, where does that 15% come from?

She doesn't know. It's just Katie not knowing who fucks in her grade. She's someone Ben Shapiro likes, so no one who has ever had sex is willing to talk to her. He also clearly made her up. Fuckable college. Also, she does not exist. Also, this is a fake person. It didn't even come up with any details that would make it seem like she was real.

Well, actually, never mind, this takes a turn. We may have been unfair to Katie, although I still have questions. Katie believes that sex ed is a good thing for kids to hear. The disease and pregnancy stuff was good because it scared people off. They realized there were consequences to sex. There should be education about it so that there are less half-truths and complete lies floating around, and people can make an informed decision because sooner or later they will do it. This is italicized by Ben because I don't think she's spoken italics.

And the more info they have, the better they are equipped to determine when they will do it. She also believes that parental inactivity makes taxpayer-funded sex education more vital, citing her own parents as an example. My parents wouldn't have talked to me about this if I hadn't had sex ed in school. By now, at our house, if they start something, it's like, chill, I'm not 15 anymore. Katie isn't a virgin, this has been now, and she isn't ashamed of it. She became sexually active at age 19 and has had three sexual partners. There's nothing wrong with premarital sex, she tells me.

I got over that idea. I feel I can make rational decisions armed with what I learned in nine years of the same class repeating. Sex is appropriate when the person is mentally ready to have sex, and when it's not a result of the pressure to fit in and when she's mature enough to not have any regrets. Still, Katie doesn't want her parents to know more about her sexual history because they still think it's wrong and I don't want to open that can of worms. For that reason, her name has been changed to protect her privacy. Katie is an above-average girl and would be considered in this day and age a sexually well-adjusted citizen.

Her views on sex education and sex in general are shared by many of her peers. Premarital sex isn't seen as wrong as long as you're ready for it, and sex education is supposed to prepare you for it. With this kind of logic, it's not hard to see why kids are being sexualized at younger and younger ages. The younger the kids are when sex ed begins, the more they know at a younger age. The more they know, the more prepared they are. The more societal approval they receive when they try to have sex. And societal approval means societal encouragement.

She didn't have sex until she was 19. That's not early, Ben. It's so weird because it sounds like he's making the opposite point the entire time. Like, she's very reasonable. Everything she's saying is true and fine. It sounds like she's happy and didn't have sex before she was ready. He literally complimented her on everything. He said, she's a 10. She went to Harvard. She's brilliant. Yeah, she's clearly doing great. And then at the very end, he's like, but tragically, Katie died.

Like, what are you, what? Yeah, she sounds fine. Like, where do you think that left turn? He's literally saying, because of all the sex ed Katie received, she waited until she was 19 and had sex responsibly and is a happy, successful young person. So we shouldn't give kids sex ed because they'll fuck younger. They might wind up like Katie in Harvard. She said, I took sex ed for nine years and now I am in Harvard

and I am made responsible and happy choices about my sex life. And he's like, I'm going to write a book so people can know the horror of what you've gone through, Katie. Yeah, it's fucking incredible. He goes on to say, the truth is that knowledge and information aren't curals. In fact, they can do serious damage to children. Wow, that is conservatism in a nutshell. Knowledge and information are dangerous for children.

Don't give them that. Like, does he not even remember the more, you know, like NBC campaign? My God, Ben. It's like not even controversial to think that knowing more things is good. No fucking tool bag. He's such a tool and I do. I think we should apologize to Katie. The fact that the way he was leading this was I expected her to be like,

my generation wound up fucked up because of all this. No, she seems like a very healthy person. Katie is great and she seems rad. She really agreed to talk to Ben Shapiro because she's like, this loser needs to fucking talk to a woman. Yeah, maybe this will help him be less miserable. It's not Ann Coulter, you know. It's very funny also, like the fact that she's had three sexual partners

been clearly considered scandalous, even though she's probably in her early 20s. That's a pretty normal number. Even maybe I would argue low. My body count was so much higher at that point. Are you kidding me? Oh, God. You know who else fucks constantly?

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We're back. It is incredible how barely we have scratched the surface of the wrongness of this book, because all of it is just profoundly fucking wrong. So Ben Shapiro has just dropped the thesis statement of American conservatism, which is that knowledge and information are dangerous to children. What supporters of the full frontal version of sex ed don't understand

is that knowledge is power, and only when the person armed with the knowledge is capable of making a fully rational and informed decision. What helps people make rational and informed decisions, Ben? Is it knowledge? Children are not capable of such a rational decision. I guess you could say, Katie didn't fuck till she was 19,

so what are you talking about, Ben? Clearly, children are capable of understanding a lot. Yeah, it sounds like she waited until she was an adult and ready. It's just... Everything Ben says is wrong. Everything Ben says is wrong. It's just... Everything Ben says is wrong.

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trained of all feeling but physical pleasure, rationalized into phylofex perspective. Choosing power of children? A new book from J.K. Rowling that teaches you that it's not okay to be you. It's not okay to be you. Knowledge is bad. Children can't be trusted with knowledge because they're not rational,

and they can't be rational until they're informed, but don't inform them of things. It's awesome. It's just awesome in its wrongness. And I wish... I was kind of thinking this would be a one-off, and we would just get through this. Everything...

It's so fascinatingly wrong, Sophia, and so many... Oh, it's too insane. There's no way. There's no way this is a one-parter. No, no. We have to continue this. For today, I want to just give everyone an overview of the rest of this book. So, Chapter 3, Campus Carnality.

Loser. What a fucking loser. Yeah. College life for the porn generation is the social liberals dream. Fucking incredible. That's the opening sentence there. Someone invite Ben to a party, so he can stop being such a fucking toolbag. Chapter 4, Pop Tarts. Bet you're wondering what that is a reference to.

It starts with official recipe for pop stardom. Start with a cute, pubescent, 10 to 12-year-old girl. Again, creepy time to include cute. Next step, two to three years, virginal, wholesome, faux-innocent play acting, Disney Channel brand highly recommended. Two years, ambiguous, semi-petaphilic converting. Two years, sexual discovery, dirty dancing,

X-rated lyrics, and or promiscuity. For extra sales, just add a smattering of bisexuality. Voila! You've transformed yourself into a platinum record artist. Keep it up for 20 years, and you might even win a Madonna Award for profit-driven sluttiness. Jesus Christ, Ben. I like that adding bisexuality

increases your market value, because I have not found that that's worked out for me. Robert, did that increase your market value? Let me know. Yeah, no, no, I don't think it has. Chapter 5, Where Pimps and Hoes Run Free. I'm sure this is gonna be the one where he talks about hip-hop. I was gonna say this is fucking definitely throwing rocks

at rap right there, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Chapter 6, Teeny Boppers. Okay. I guess. Chapter 7. Didn't you already talk about the preprocessing girls? That was pop stars, I think.

Chapter 7, Aber Crappy and Bitch. It opens with him yelling about Janet Jackson at the Super Bowl. I know. Chapter 8, TV vs. Virginity. Chapter 9, Porn and Popcorn. It's not like Joe vs. the Volcano. Yeah, I think it is, exactly.

It's actually just word for word, the script of that, actually pretty good. And kind of anti-capitalist film. Yeah. Chapter 10, The Lotion Picture Industry. God damn it, Ben. Chapter 11, Taking a Stand. Oh, God.

Oh, Chapter 12 is a roundtable discussion with Michelle Malkin, Rod Dreher, and Father John C. McCloskey from Opus Dei. I don't even know what any of those words mean. Wow. Wow. Oh, Sophia, we're going to have fun with this in the months to come.

I can tell you that right now. What a delicious turn of events. Speaking of coming, you know what Ben Shapiro has never done in his life? Please a woman or anybody? Yeah, anybody, really. Anybody. Sophia, this is all the time we have for today.

You want to, you want to, you want to, you know. Yeah. Do your plugs with the plugs. With the plugs and the things. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at thesophiasofiya. And you can listen to my podcast about Love and Sex called Private Parts Unknown,

where it's hosted by me and Courtney Kosak, and we definitely fuck. And then the other podcast I co-host is with Miles Gray, and it's called 420 Day Fiancé, where we get high and talk about 90 Day Fiancé. It's real fun. Well, check that out. I am returning Ben Shapiro's book,

Porn Generation for offensive content until next time. Sophia, thank you for this. And thank you all for listening. Until next time, remember, don't ever fuck. And knowledge is deadly. I don't know. Burn all your books. Burn your books.

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