Behind the Bastards - Covid Vaccine Grifting "Doctors"

Episode Date: August 12, 2021

Garrison Davis is joined by Robert Evans to discuss Covid Vaccine Grifters.Footnotes: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/22/health/coronavirus-breakthrough-infections-delta.html  https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/feds-arrest-ca-homeopath-for-selling-covid-pellets-fake-cdc-vaccine-cards/ https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/15/us/julie-mazi-napa.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/15/covid-vaccine-passport-card/ https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/07/us/fake-covid-vaccination-card-california.html https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/woman-arrested-fake-covid-19-immunization-and-vaccination-card-scheme https://drjulimazi.com/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2017/03/15/turning-pfizer-discards-into-novartis-gold-the-story-of-ziarco/?sh=79b406257572 https://uk.linkedin.com/in/mike-yeadon-3818613 https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-vaccines-skeptic/ https://web.archive.org/web/20201129113931/https://lockdownsceptics.org/what-sage-got-wrong/ https://web.archive.org/web/20201126143137/https://lockdownsceptics.org/addressing-the-cv19-second-wave/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9788407587 https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/02/blog-posting/former-pfizer-employee-wrong-coronavirus-pandemic-/ https://2020news.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wodarg_Yeadon_EMA_Petition_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0fRPF0zdZILEWFP18AtmefLuh47l87Be0X_mWCgbXxWgvwppBgZgnxxR4 https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/jom-2021-0059/html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-30/anti-vaxxer-disinformation-spreads-in-asia-endangering-millions https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vaccine-female-sterilization/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/michael-yeadon-vaccine-death/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pfizer-chief-scientist-vaccines/ https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-health-coronavirus/fact-check-fact-check-ex-pfizer-scientist-repeats-covid-19-vaccine-misinformation-in-recorded-speech-idUSL2N2N72CS https://www.bitchute.com/video/9Ci2jK1yFoOd/?fbclid=IwAR2vbRI_6Lw6B5ogznaEKh7mEeK8eWOlKqFY-Zo4YKf1yFTQF0B9m73Dd14 https://digitalwarriorproductions.com/mike-yeadon-del-bigtree/?fbclid=IwAR3dhD9XyJ0sGjnkQfvhYHiS2ME8HwIIAUv_GsDHPOSWRQUI7W7QSxOZGA8 https://tcn.video/dr-michael-yeadon-full-interview-the-awakening-3/?fbclid=IwAR20xXONzjFuWVeEX7OiHQTvJC8jrx5RJ4L-l7lKe__6PkeUyvcxkJXUPFo Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, it's so much more real than real sugar. Powered sugar, I call it. Okay. Today we're talking about a fun light topic that has no implications on public health and trust in how we view pandemics going forward. We're talking about- Why is public health going these days? Is it good? It seems like it's good. Funny you mentioned that.

As we're recording this, the Delta variant is the dominant strain of COVID here in the States and pretty much everywhere else too. It's much more contagious. Good. And with many of the COVID preventative restrictions being removed across the country, cases are on a rapid rise basically everywhere. There's some places that are going to have to put restrictions back in place and start making the mask mandates again. The variant that has about 83% of cases in the States that are diagnosed is for the Delta variant. And it does have so-called breakthrough infections in some vaccinated people, mostly with asymptomatic or very mild cases. I think there's been about 5,000 deaths of people who are vaccinated with the Delta variant.

So yeah, let's see. But more than 97% of people hospitalized for COVID are unvaccinated at the moment. You need to get vaccinated. Almost all people who are going to the hospital for COVID are unvaccinated. But the breakthrough infections for vaccinated people combined with the lack of masks and an increase in indoor socialization also raises the possibility that vaccinated people can carry and transmit the variants to other people, including other unvaccinated people, which includes children and people with immune issues that prevent them from getting the vaccine, not just anti-vaxxers. So all of that, plus school opening back up in person in August and September. Yeah, kids can't get sick, Garrison.

Yeah, I know Marjorie Taylor Green, which I don't want to talk about, because the reason why she's the problem is because we talk about her. But yesterday she had a very bad interview of her go viral and someone asked her a question about kids dying and she laughed it off. Just earlier that week, a five year old in her own district died of COVID. Yeah, so. Yeah, and it's funny. The funny thing, funny is the wrong word, the existentially soul destroying thing, the blackpilling thing is that like, there's so many liberals who pointed that out on Twitter. As if it matters. As if it matters.

Exactly. Any of that will ever matter again. There is no gotchas. It doesn't. There's no gotchas. If anything, it makes it worse for us the more we do that in a lot of ways. Yeah, they're all still living in this world where like John Stewart can own Tucker Carlson on a televised debate and it has an impact. And Robert, look how well that turned out for Tucker Carlson.

Yeah, it didn't deal with Tucker Carlson. Maybe debating and owning people has never solved a single problem in the history of the world. Hans Lytton owned Hitler pretty bad in a 19. What was it 31? I think didn't didn't end up doing the trick. Never does never will stop talking to people. Yeah. So at this moment right now, we're not doing too great in terms of public health and like trust in public health either, you know, for a lot of reasons.

But but thankfully in harsh times like this, we have a select few people who who rise to the challenge to to inform the public by grifting off a public health crisis. To pedal snake oil products and further their career by being a beacon of disinformation. Today we're talking about COVID anti vaccine grifters. Well, we'll be we'll be starting off with more of like of a classic like health and wellness grifter and then move on to someone who's then then move on to someone who's more dangerous, but whose motives are a little bit a little bit less clear. Early on in the pandemic, we covered people like one of the Paltrow who was like things like that is. We're going to be talking about one person who's doing, you know, some some stuff, some stuff like that. Yeah, got it. The first person we're discussing in the vein of like that type of health and wellness kind of grifter is named Julie Massey of well now I guess kind of former naturopathic doctor who practiced in Napa, California.

Garrison, are you about to tell me this lady got kicked out of being a naturopath because that's like to go back to the last episode we recorded. That's like getting kicked out of Action Park for being too drunk. Kind of. It's more like it's going to be hard to practice from jail. Oh, OK, no, but nothing. I just as long as my opinion of naturopathy doesn't have to change. So it does not have to change. Dr. Julie Massey is a 41 years old according to her website is a licensed primary care doctor whose aim and passion is to empower her clients to heal. She believes it and holds deep respect for everyone's innate ability to discover and find a path for their own well being.

That's a good question. Has the word empower ever been used in a situation in which it was not like fundamentally toxic and life threatening? Has anyone used the word empower and not been endangering the people they were empowering? Has that happened a single time? No, that's that's a good question, Robert. And in this case, probably, probably not. She's on this show, which means she's she is she has made it. She says they want to empower you legally. If it's a stand your ground state, you can start shooting at them legally. You can. I think I'm fairly certain I'm going to empower you with this knowledge.

So defend yourself. Dr. Massey received her doctorate in naturopathic medicine from the National University of Natural Medicine. And wait, guess guess what city, Robert? Oh, God, it's not Mexico, because you said city city. That's what city is. No, come on, come on. Oh, is it Portland? It's Portland, of course it is. Yeah, because if you look up, if you do a fun, I'm going to make sure you get the Google right.

If you Google, I think vaccine hesitancy map. And you can find, I believe that's the term you'll need to use. Yeah, yeah, you can get a vaccine hesitancy map of the United States. Portland, Oregon shines real bright on that particular. And the the place where she got her degree from has like specialized doctors who give like like vaccine hesitancy plans. Yeah. And that can vary from like people who were like, you should get vaccinated, your kids, but you get a space out there. MMR shots to three separate ones, which is what Wakefield's initial grift was.

Yes, to obviously the whole vaccines are trying to microchip murder your babies. Yeah. So yeah, so she got her doctor in Portland, Oregon. I believe she was born here as well. At a very early age, Dr. Masif felt the call to be a healer and teacher. Her spirit of investigation came alive when she discovered her strong connection to the plant world. Fascinated by nutrition and the medical properties of food and herbs. She experimented with various diets and searched for exotic fruits, vegetables and herbs to discover their effects for herself.

Throughout her life, she experienced many different healing healing foods so that she may honestly refer her patients. That because she knows and understands from her own experience what these herbs do. So here's the thing for a lot of people like myself included in the states. We the health system. We kind of think the health system sucks, right? Like it does like like there's a lot of elements. Yeah, I know. I have some specific doctors I have nice things to say about.

I have nothing nice to say about our medical system. Yeah, like the modern medicine by and large, especially in the states, it sucks. It's hard to navigate. I'm not talking about like the ER itself or whatever. Because again, as a general rule, people who are doing emergency medical work are rad. But the system itself that organizes and operates, I have very little positive to say about it. Specifically, like, you know, we'll be talking a lot about like pharmaceuticals this episode, you know, people are prescribed a lot of things that don't necessarily help them and end up hurting them.

So like, and I kind of get the drive to search for more like historical and like natural. Of course. Like natural memories. Plants rock. Plants. Plants world. I'm a dude who keeps pounds of plantain, yarrow, comfrey, and a bunch of other like dried plant. Like I grow some of that shit.

I make my own sabs and tinctures and whatnot. Yes. Some of it does stuff. Yeah. And you can generally find like studies. Again, one of the things like Dr. Kava, who's a friend of both of ours, point is like there's no such thing as alternate medicine. If it's a plant based medicine that does something, it's just medicine.

Yeah. Like you can look up medical benefits of like comfrey or yarrow for wound treatment or whatever. And like there's studies on it. It's not anyway. I've got on this rant before. Yeah. But like that's not what we're talking about with Dr. Masi here.

This is this is different because she, you know, as we'll see, she's someone who is like knowingly and actively, you know, charging people for false cures and doing active harm at people's lives in danger so that she can make a buck. There's some other interesting info from her site. Dr. Masi comes from a family of notable, notable educators, her grandfather, Stephen E. Elper, founded both Portland State University and Olaan College. PSU is actually is like a is a pretty, pretty big, pretty big deal in Portland. It's one of the biggest universities in the state, which is like an actual regular university.

Her grandmother was a high school teacher for many years and her mother taught kindergarten for 40 years and her father was a college professor. So she comes from like a family of like doctors and educators. That they're real proud. I mean, so does Wakefield though. They're both like very well regarded doctors. Dr. Masi claims that she shares her family's passion to educate, quote, when someone has knowledge and understanding of their health problem and the array of holistic and non-toxic

therapies that are available to them, that patient is now at the helm of their own healing. And she actually, you know, this next part has some more sinister implications for how she was able to market herself and her business was such effective propaganda. Because before embarking on her naturopathic studies, Dr. Masi earned in undergraduates degree and master's degree in communication studies. So like she knows how to do marketing. Like she got a master's degree at Portland State University. So she knows how to how to how to how to market people and sell herself.

Quote from her website, her skills in training and interpersonal communication define her signature approach, which is to use the power of compassionate inquiry to guide each patient to value their own understanding and help discover what their best choices are for healing. So she basically, my marker markers herself as like an alternative to general to like a general care provider. They can help you treat everything from arthritis, allergies, infections, all the way to like autoimmune disorders, ADHD and cancer. This is all the things she advertises on her website that her like naturopathic remedies

can help, can help, you know, treat. And naturally, the past few months, she's been offering so-called treatment and immunization for COVID-19. Part of how Dr. Masi makes money is through homeopathic medications. The fancy name is homeoprophaxilis immunization. I probably said that perfectly. Homeoprophylaxis immunization, I would guess. Homeoprophylaxis.

Yeah. Because like a prophylaxis, like a condoms a prophylaxis, it's a preventative treatment of some sort. Yeah. This is a preventative treatment done with homeopathy. Yeah. It's nonsense. It's drinking water to cure your COVID.

It's drinking water. Yeah. So like the modern, the modern origins come from 18th century Germany. Homeopathy is by and large a debunked pseudoscience that claims, you know, highly diluted substances including infections themselves can cure diseases and that the more substance is diluted. You can check out our two parter on homeopathy that includes two important facts. One of which is that most homeopathic medicines have no measurable amount of the medicine they're supposed to have and that the one time they did, it killed a bunch of babies.

It killed a bunch of babies. It killed a bunch of babies. Yeah. It was deadly nightshade. Deadly nightshade from Highland's all-natural baby killing pills. Yeah. But like, you know, they believe the more substances diluted, the stronger the disease curing power is.

Absolutely. So most of these treatments are so diluted that base substances cannot even be detected, which isn't, you know, a problem for homeopaths since they actually claim that even if you can't detect it, the water molecules that you're consuming can actually remember what the base substance is that they've encountered and act the same on your body. You know, the treatments are, you know, usually just placebos or harmless because they're harmless because they're nothing, but, you know, if they're improperly diluted, they could be deadly in the case of the homeopathic teething products, which contain deadly nightshade,

which killed like 10 babies and caused like hundreds and hundreds of serious illnesses. So, yeah. So in Dr. Mazzi's case, she would sell immunization pellets that allegedly contained tiny amounts of various diseases that the body could then naturally build up an immunity to. So, like, it's the same thing with all these like grifters. It's like you're just inventing a bad version of vaccines or like, yeah, if you give a little bit of the thing, then your body can learn how to fight it. But it's like, but it's the bullshit version that it's just completely nonsense.

And she provides many of these homeopathic immunizations to children, which she then also falsely claims satisfy the vaccine requirements for California schools. So she gives out her patients like false papers saying that they've been immunized for these things by giving them these pellets so that they can still attend schools even if they're not vaccinated. That's kind of the specific grift that she was doing before COVID. And then when COVID started, she, you know, and specifically like when the vaccine stuff started gaining popularity, she switched to a lot of a lot of focus on COVID and these

COVID pellets. So it's unclear how long she's been selling these COVID immunization pellets, but it seems like they really started to take off around January when the vaccines were starting to get released to the general public as she was offering these as a naturopathic alternative. It's a good, good thing is happening. I mean, we need to do an episode one of these days on like the actual because there's a whole, the reason that this is, I mean, it sounds like she did get in trouble, but the reason why most people do versions of this don't and the reason why she got away with it for

so long is there is a whole legal framework set up to allow people to do this. And it's heavily embedded, particularly with the Utah Republican Party. Like it's a big, it's, it's all centered around Utah, as is the teen treatment industry for a lot of a number of reasons. But it's like, it's the same reason why that company we covered that does essential oils and stuff was able to get away with so much bullshit. Like there's this whole legal infrastructure set up to allow people to sell folks medicine that isn't medicine and then protect them from liability when those people die.

And it's hugely embedded in specifically the Republican Party. And the Democratic Party doesn't do anything about it because the Democratic Party, why would they do anything about anything? And anyway, here we are. It's been brewing for decades. Sorry. And in April, someone whose family members had gotten these COVID immunization pellets from Dr. Masi tipped off the Department of Health and Human Services office for the,

for the inspector general to what was happening. And this, this prompted a federal and state investigation into Dr. Masi's operations. This is now quoting a recent DOJ report, quote, Masi used the COVID-19 pandemic to expand the preexisting immunization scheme by selling immunization pellets that she fraudulently claimed in written documents and in consensually monitored recordings would provide lifelong immunity to COVID-19. Masi explained that the pellets contained, quote, a very minute amount of this COVID disease, unquote,

that can result in, quote, infectious symptoms with COVID-19, or automatically flag the immune system's attention inducing immunity. So she's selling. The fun thing about this is she's telling people don't get the vaccine. It's dangerous and then saying, and then pretending her nonsense medicine works. The way a vaccine actually works. Exactly. That's exactly incredible.

Quote to encourage to encourage customers to purchase the pellets. Masi allegedly exploited disinformation and fear by falsely claiming the FDA authorized COVID vaccines contained, quote, toxic ingredients. Masi further stated that to her customers, if you could provide these pellets to children for COVID-19 immunization, and that, quote, the dose is actually the same for babies. So that's nice. Yeah, as a general rule, if someone says the dose is the same for babies,

that should be a red flag. It never is. Yeah, no, it shouldn't be. Is there very small? Yeah, I mean, like if my Coke dealer was like, and it could give it to your baby, the dose is the same. I would not find a different Coke dealer because it's hard. I mean, my God, but I would probably not hang out with him as much.

Robert, anyway. Robert. Sophie. Trying to keep you employed. What? There's no law against cocaine. It is decriminalized where you live. Thank you, Garrison.

So, Sophie, we're fine. It's fine. Ta-da. In a recorded phone call, Masi instructed a fake client to, quote, pour roughly two to four pellets from the cap and dump them under your tongue. You do not have to drive yourself and say you're trying to pour exactly four pellets. Exactly four pellets. It doesn't really matter.

I mean, it's like, I mean, it's like real medicine. The dose is whatever. Close. That is my favorite thing about the way California used to work is you would get a prescription for pot and it would just be a prescription for as much marijuana as you could carry. So, like, whatever your problem was, if pot was prescribed, but the dose was whatever. She said, she said, I mean, it's like an energy medicine. So, more pellets doesn't mean stronger necessarily.

So. Okay. That makes sense. Sure. Perfect sense. Yeah. When asked what was in the pellets, Masi replied, this is from the COVID-19. It's made from this disease particles themselves.

Where is she getting her COVID? I do not know what the exact process is for that. Where is she getting this COVID-19? As long as they can extract the germs from the virus, they could make the remedy. For this method, we are tapping into what's known as the innate immune system. That's like her higher intelligence part of the immune system. I have no idea where she's getting these pellets. No.

The feds don't clarify where she's getting these. We have no clue. But that's the perfect way to frame it, because all these idiots already believe in, like, you're only use 10% of your brain, your innate intelligence, your instincts, no more than, like, you know, book learning can ever, like, so yeah, I get why this works. Okay. So, do you know who doesn't sell COVID-19 pellets? I mean, we ought to.

We could. We could. We could. She made a lot of money. We could too. Sophie, we're getting into the COVID-19 pellet business. We are not. Yeah.

We are selling pellets. Go back to talking about your cocaine dealer. I liked that better. Mail less money. I will send you pellets and I will use it to buy cocaine. There we go. That's the outbreak. During the summer of 2020, some Americans suspected that the FBI had secretly infiltrated the

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See how much I can sell them for on the street. You want some pellets? Hey kid, hey kid, want some, want some co-op pellets? I don't know the exact process for it, but as long as they extract the terms, it works. I put a virus in them. Eat it. Eat it all. Take as many as you want.

Lifelike immunity. It might make you sick, but that's fine. That just means it's working. Oh, you don't hear it. Back to the tea shape report. Mazi also provided CDC COVID-19 vaccination record cards to her customers with instructions on how to fraudulently complete the cards to falsely make it appear as if a customer had received two doses of the Moderna vaccine.

As a part of her scheme, Mazi provided customers with specific Napa California Moderna vaccine lot numbers to enter onto the cards with instructions on how to select the preferred dates on which they had received the Moderna vaccines to evade suspicion. The CDC confirmed to federal investigators that actual Moderna lot numbers were used, but the CDC and the California Health Department don't know how Mazi got them. She's not authorized to distribute or give out vaccines. They don't know where she got these numbers from. She probably knows someone who told her or something, but it's unclear what exactly

happened for how she got these cards and how she got these numbers. The original tipster who tipped off the feds got a dose of these pellets over the phone from Mazi for a single dose of them. Doses were unclear how many pellets that is, but a dose for $243. We don't know how many people purchased these COVID immunization pellets from Mazi. According to financial records, federal investigators obtained from Square, like a digital payment processing company, Mazi received approximately $221,000 from over 1,000 transactions between January 2020 and May of 2021.

Most of those transaction records do not note specifically what the payments were for. At least 25 of them, that total to be like almost eight grand, are indicated to be for COVID treatment and 34 other transactions are noted for being for homeopathic treatment and these pellets-related purchases. On July 14th of 2021, Julie Mazi was arrested and she's been charged with one count of wire fraud and one count of making false statements related to public care matters. She's the first person to face federal charges related to allegedly selling fake vaccines and cards.

She could face up to 20 years in prison and she is facing $100,000 in fines at the moment. But the thing is, there's a lot more doctors who are doing the exact same thing. This is just the first one to get caught and in trouble. This isn't an uncommon thing. You can find this in basically every city, every major American city. You can find someone doing this exact thing. And they don't even have to be doctors. Back in May, an owner of a bar got arrested on state charges for faking and selling vaccination

cards, quoting the New York Times. A California bar owner was arrested this week on charges that he had sold fake COVID-19 vaccination cards at his business, prosecutors say. The owner, Todd Anderson of ACAMPO, California. Well, it was arrested and charged with identity theft, forging government documents, and falsifying medical records, and having an unloaded unregistered firearm. The COVID vaccine bar scam was also found out by someone tipping off the California alcohol beverage board.

So yeah, this thing is happening. We're getting new stories about people selling fake cards every month. Of course, you can find a lot of these on eBay and stuff. Those are harder to crack down on. But yeah, this isn't a super uncommon thing. But as bad as people like Dr. Maziar, at least their damage is relatively isolated. She had over 12,000 followers on Facebook, but she wasn't trying to become a social media figure or anything.

She didn't even talk about COVID or her homeopathic pellets on her page because she knew she was doing crimes. But she didn't talk about that kind of stuff. Not the same case for the next guy we are talking about. The next guy we're talking about is Dr. Michael Eden. My old parkour friend actually told me about this guy. And for the past few months, we've been trying to dig as much information up about this guy as possible because he has a weird thing going on.

So Dr. Michael Eden is commonly referred to as the former vice president of Pfizer and the former chief science officer there. That's what he's called in the media. It's not totally true, but it's true enough that people can use that to be convincing. And in the beginning of April of 2020, he started his crusade against both COVID vaccines and trying to uncover the hidden truth about the pandemic in general. He is like a slippery little bastard. His intentions are pretty muddy even after looking into him a lot for the past few weeks.

All of the interviews he has going through his archives Twitter, I don't know what exactly his grift is. I don't know if he's a true believer in what he's saying or he's just trying to find a new thing to make money. He's like a super weird dude. But the one thing that's clear is that last April, something changed in Eden. He became like a different person. That's always sad when people change.

Yeah, something happened which either caused him to snap or he saw financial prospect. So first, a little background on Eden himself, he's currently married and he has two adult children. He's talked openly about having a tough childhood. He said his mother committed suicide when he was only 18 months old. And his father, who was also a doctor, abandoned him when he was 16. He was saved by a local social worker and adopted by a Jewish family who apparently, like he says, turned his life around. In the 80s, he was a student at the University of Surrey.

So that's a place in the England part of the world. So he was a student there. He got a bachelor's in biochemistry. Did you just say the England part of the world? Yeah, like that section on the other side. Yeah, the England part of the world. Yeah, we know where it is. It's in a town called Guildford or something.

I'm so sorry, Jake. It sounds completely different than that, but the British have been saying everything wrong. It sounds fake. Yeah, it all is. So sorry, Jake. No, we never apologize to British people. I apologize to hand in hand. Well, I do not.

No, yeah, absolutely not. He received a bachelor's in biochemistry and toxicology in 1985 and he got a PhD in pharmacology in 1988. During his time at the university, he was researching opioids and how they affect the central nervous system. After graduating, he worked at a drug and allergenic research lab in the UK for a few years. And then in 1995, he began working for Pfizer UK. And by 2006, he did become the chief science officer and vice president of the allergy and respiratory R&D department. So not not Pfizer as a whole, the specific small department, but that doesn't really matter. Because when you talk about this like in media, you can just say the former VP of Pfizer and then you're like, oh, wow.

The former vice president is saying that vaccines are killing people. We should listen to him, which I mean, he didn't. He was working. The unit he worked on was developing drugs to treat asthma and like respiratory obstructions. So he worked, he was like the head of like the allergy unit. Most of the reporting about Pfizer and him say that he that he left in 2011. It's technically true, but I think paints a slightly different distorted picture. There was a there was there was an old Forbes article written by one of his former friends back in 2017 that talks about the talks about Ian and his his his break off from Pfizer.

Well, quote Dr. Michael Ian, the 17 year old Pfizer veteran and Pfizer's R&D and head of Pfizer's R&D unit for the allergy section in sandwich England. Okay. Again, not a real place. Sandwich England. No, they're fucking with us. They're fucking with us. No, it's no way fucking with us for years. But anyway, so Mike was told in the fall of 2010 that Pfizer was closing the allergy and respiratory disease program and his own role as the chief science officer of the group was being eliminated.

Rather than seek employment elsewhere, Mike had other ideas. So he didn't like leave Pfizer. His whole branch got dissolved. He like he is his job got eliminated. And instead of trying to find new work at Pfizer, he had the idea to start his own research company after talking after talking to some of the higher ups at Pfizer. He got permission to license like Pfizer compounds, like, like, you know, like the actual chemicals they use and like molecules and stuff. So and eventually he found some investors in the US and he actually got he actually got the Pfizer investing board to also invest in his in his new company. So he eventually got enough capital to get started quoting Forbes again.

At this point, the virtual company known as ZR Co. They'll they pick the worst names for these biotech companies. It's they're all absolutely nonsense. But the company now known as ZR Co. Was often running the team focused on its most promising asset, the ZPL 389 an orally active histamine that is used to treat eczema. So he worked. So this guy started this company that was working on eczema medications for a few years. And then in 2017, five years after he started the company, the Switzerland based pharmaceutical company Novartis, again, were terrible names.

Novartis. Yeah. They're actually pretty big. But I just don't know how to say biotech company names because they're nonsense. But they they bought Eden's company for an upfront payment of three hundred and twenty five million dollars. And they promised to pay another ninety five million dollars if certain milestones in the drug treatments were achieved. They were counting on the anti eczema drug to be a hit. And they claimed it had the potential to be like a new first class oral treatment to moderate to severe eczema.

Now, it's unclear how much money Eden himself made from the acquisition. But in January, twenty twenty, he tweeted that he made like millions off of off of the off of the founding and growing of this tech company, which is which is true. Like he made a lot of money. He didn't. He probably didn't keep all three hundred million, but he he got a sizable fortune. Then actually in last July, Novartis, whatever, the Novartis Novartis disclosed that. You know, it's bad when I'm correcting your pronunciation. Look, I don't know how to.

It's a Switzerland based biotech company. I guess there's too many languages and too many nonsense for me for me to know how to. I'm fairly certain when we hire you, we asked, do you speak Switzerland? And you said yes. That was the first and only question we asked. First and only question. Yeah. So but last last July, the company disclosed that it had discontinued the the experimental eczema clinical development program.

And had had to take an almost five hundred million dollar write down on it. They said the spokesperson for the company said that they decided to terminate the program after disappointing efficiency data in the early stage clinical trials. So they bought this company in hope that this drug would be the next big thing. Turns out the drug doesn't work and you didn't got tons of money out of the deal. So he he wins. No one else does. And also while he was doing his own work at at his company, he also was working as a consultant for a few different for a few different US based biotech companies. And he hasn't really been up to much since he sold his company in in 2018.

He said he had to like partially retire due to medical issues, but also it was just that was a year after he made tons of money selling his company. So he could just be like done because like he's like in his fifties or sixties or whatever. So like he can just not work because he has probably hundreds, like at least a hundred million dollars, like so much money, which now leads us to the plague. During during the first few months of the pandemic, Eden seemed like a normal doctor, like a normal guy with no weird conspiracy theories. In March of 2020, as the coronavirus was raging on in the UK, Eden would publicly express support for developing a vaccine. He tweeted out that, quote, COVID-19 is not going away until we have a vaccine or herd immunity. All it can do right now is slow it spread. A week later, he tweeted, quote, a vaccine might might be along towards the end of 2021 if we're really lucky.

You know, someone on Twitter replied to him saying that vaccines harm many, many people. And Eden replied, OK, please refuse it, but do not repeat its flow or or or or or or try to get others who want to get it choose to not get it. Thanks. So it just seems like a normal doctor man is like, no, yeah, vaccines work. This pandemic is bad. We just need to stop. We need to stop the spread right now. And that's it. So like nothing, nothing of note.

Someone named. Methi Manman, who is the head of research and development for Garrison any names correctly. It's I think it's Matti Garrison. Jesus Christ. Oh, stop shitting all over Swiss culture. I can't. Yeah, that probably is. Garrison probably doesn't know how to use Excel either.

He's just like I use Google. I use Google Sheets. And you've never seen Wayne's World either. Yeah, that's just the youth these days. Anyway, the head of research and development for the pharmaceutical pharmaceutical division of Johnson and Johnson posted a link on LinkedIn last year that his company had started to clinical trials of vaccine. And Eden responded, lovely. Nice, nice to see this milestone. So like, again, normal, normal doctor man, nothing, nothing weird.

And then April came and the UK's lockdown got extended. And as soon as the lockdown got extended in April, Eden started to drastically change his tone around the whole pandemic. He grew increasingly frustrated about the lockdown extension and began ranting online about how lockdowns don't work and how the early state and he began the early stages of crafting his own conspiracy theories about about governmental control. And fake COVID testing. So something happened in August that either broke him or he was he figured that he can make money off this. I don't know what it is because he already had lots of money. I mean, you know, he's an older guy. Some people you get you have little, I've heard theories that some men as they age, they have these little buddy micro strokes that usually aren't like noticed or diagnosed and it leads to because like a lot of guys have these weird personality shifts when they get past a certain age.

And, you know, get it. I don't know. Maybe he's having a bunch of little buddy strokes is what I'm saying. Yeah. So Reuters put together a pretty good piece talking about how how the things Reuters. Reuters. Reuters. It's not it's not Reuters. No, Reuters.

Really? Wow. Reuters. Why did they spell it like that then? Because it's pronounced Reuters. Oh, right. She didn't grow up with the TV on. You never like listen to TV news.

I grew up in a cult. I grew up in a cult that I learned, I learned spelling from Christian fascist propaganda. Yes, it's Reuters. And the AP is an app. It's not app. No, it's not the app store. It's not the app store. That's a different store.

All right. Just so you know that in Australia, a Reuter is actually somebody who who fucks a lot. Yeah, I hate it. It is. No, no idea. That's rooting. Yep. Yeah.

And other fun Australia fact, they call drugs, I think, particularly meth gear. Cool. Which I've always found cool. I like that. I think that's pretty rad actually. Yeah. Anyway, Reuters. I can't.

There's no O. There's no O in the word. Reuters. Reuters. All right. Well, yeah, but there's no I in team. And we still pronounce it Tim. So what are you going to do?

Yeah. So Reuters put together a piece trying to like break down how he didn't start changing his tone on certain things. Quote, when Britain was still in its first lockdown last spring, he declared, quote, there's nothing especially frightening about COVID-19. It will all fade away. It's just a common garden virus to which the world overreacted. I mean, that was a pretty common, you know, anti COVID sentiment at the time.

Like, oh, it's just like the cold. And also he predicted in a subsequent tweet that it was quote unlikely that the death toll in the UK would reach 40,000, which that that thing is almost much higher than 40,000. Right. Let me just Google here. Almost quadrupled since then. Death toll UK. Oh, yeah.

Just 130,000. Okay. Yeah. Basically 40,000. Yeah. So in April, he started changing his tone about things. By September of 2020, Eden statements were starting to attract attention beyond just Twitter. At the time of movement had emerged in Britain against lockdowns and other restrictions meant

to curb the disease. He and he coauthored a lengthy piece on a website called lockdown skeptics. It declared that the pandemic as an event in the UK was essentially complete and that there is quote, no biological principle that leads us to expect a second wave. Britain soon entered a much more deadly second wave about like a week or two later. Yeah. Yeah. Feels like things you shouldn't say are there won't be a second wave, you know, this

ship is unsinkable, that sort of stuff. Avoid those statements. So like looking at his old tweets, either see a man like purposely switching to bad faith, or you see a man like radicalizing himself by constructing false suppositions and then insisting that that's the way things are and that everyone else's perceptions are wrong. Like here's a tweet from like May of 2020 quote, there isn't going to be there isn't going to be a second wave.

Professional epidemiologists as those such in Sweden know this. It's biologically and mathematically impossible in the UK. Since since a large portion of people badly hit by and badly hit countries have already had the virus. So like he creates these like false realities. And then when the world does not follow his like bad math or logic, he thinks that there's some grand conspiracy making things go wrong because he's convinced that what he's saying is true or he's acting in bad faith.

It's it's it's a little a little bit probably he's acting more in bad faith now. But I think back in 2020, I think he was actually just kind of radicalizing himself. Yeah, that makes sense. So in October, he wrote a second article for lockdown skeptic.org where he says quote, there's absolutely no need for vaccines to to extinguish the pandemic. I've never heard such nonsense talked about vaccines. You do not need to vaccinate people who are not at risk from a disease. So if that if that doesn't make any sense to you, good it shouldn't see because you

didn't believe that at the beginning of the pandemic, somewhere between 30 and 50 percent of people were already immune from COVID-19 because it's a coronavirus and we've had those before. He's he's written he's written that even the common cold will probably make you immune immune from COVID-19. Now, that's not how things work at all. But that doesn't matter. Everyone's bad at everything.

Yeah. So yes, at this point, he's ranted on Twitter a lot and written two very bad, easily debunked articles on a very rep reputable website to lock down skeptic. But like no one knew who he was at this point. He was just like some dude screaming into the void until late October. When the Daily Mail gave him the opportunity to write a column. So you didn't in October wrote a column for the Daily Mail, headlined three facts. The number 10 experts got wrong.

Dr. Michael Ian says claims that they're that the majority of population is susceptible to COVID are false. That only seven that's only 7% of infected people are false and that the virus death rate of 1% are false. So he wrote this this big thing. And it basically it largely just repeats the lies that Ian wrote in his two previous lockdown skeptic articles, but slightly repackaged in a more digestible language. Yeah.

The largest news paper in the world. The largest newspaper in the world. It declared that the deaths caused by COVID-19, which then total about 4500, then titled 45,000 Britain, which Ian thinks is a gross overestimate. But he thinks he thinks that they'll fizzle out anyway, and that we should be immediately allowed to resume to normal life. Of course, since then it's killed a lot, a lot more people. But the Daily Mail op head went viral among, you know, the expected corners of the Internet.

Because like it's the thing like Pfizer VP says that these these things that the experts are saying are all wrong. The AP did a piece on app as we call it, did a piece on that discussed the impact of Eden's column quote screenshots of the article have amassed hundreds of thousands of views on Facebook and Instagram by accounts opposing masks and vaccination. Several posts echoed Eden's comments with claims that the COVID pandemic is over. So like he at this point he just he just wanted lockdowns and masks to stop. That's what he was claiming.

He had a whole bunch of fake claims about, you know, the science of things. But like what he wanted out of it was just to people to go back to normal. And some social media posts circulating suggested that Eden's opinions were credible because he because of his role as the former former chief scientist of the fight of the Pfizer allergy respiratory section. You know, one quote on Facebook said, here we have it. The company making the vaccine says the pandemic is over and healthy people do not need a vaccine. So yeah, you know, you only need like one small thing that you can then extrapolate

into a into like a catchy bit. And then it's then it becomes the company making the vaccines as the pandemic is over and healthy and healthy people do not need vaccinations. Yeah, it's like, I mean, there's this problem keeps recurring itself. There's that guy at that town hall, Biden did who like asked him, you know, as a talked about how as a small business owner, the different government like welfare programs were hurting his business and stuff. And you look it up and it's like, well, he owns 29 restaurants.

And he's just angry that he has to pay people more because he was bitching about having to increase pay. And like as a small business owner, I can't afford to do this. Yeah, dude, you own almost 30 restaurants go. You're not small. But all that gets put across and like the fucking soundbite is like Biden's hurting small business owners or whatever. Nobody ever does any additional work.

That's all you need to be able to say is like the head of fires, Pfizer's virology lab says it's over. Exactly. Well, no, he was years ago. He wasn't even that he wasn't even the virology lab. It was it was the allergy. It wasn't that lab. But like, yeah, but that was that was what was repeated, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. Because yeah. Spacebook is a hellhole of death. And yep. Well, in in later news, do you have anything you want us to sell, Robert? Um, I have a book. It's called After the Revolution.

You can find it for free. We're not done. We're doing an ad break. Oh, you're doing an ad break. Jesus. No, we still have a lot of bad shit to talk about still. You can't do that to me. Garrison, I was implying that you wanted to sell dick.

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Sophie and I are laughing at Garrison. We have to talk more. I've just saved some British names here, so bear with me. Yeah, I know they're the worst, right? Anything British is just so much worse. And we came from them. You're even more directly British than I am. My God, it's easier to talk about fucking Ukrainian names than British ones. These names aren't actually that bad. But soon after his daily mail piece, the British House of Commons had a debate about the government's response to the pandemic, and a parliamentarian named Richard Drax called Eden an imminent scientist. It is a cool name, but he cited the view that the virus is both manageable and nearing its end.

And by November, Eden started appearing in videos for anti-lockdown groups online, primarily on Facebook. So he was filming videos in his garage for these different anti-lockdown groups. As the discussion of the upcoming Pfizer vaccine picked up, the optics of the XVP of Pfizer helped Eden gain a dedicated following. One Facebook post carries a video from November, in which Eden claims that the pandemic is fundamentally over, and the post has been viewed over a million times. His videos on Facebook are extremely popular, and they're shared by various pages. Lots of COVID hesitancy pages, a lot of COVID skeptic pages, a lot of vaccine skeptic pages, a lot of Patriot pages, all these types of things. Because he's becoming their new celebrity, because he's the XVP of Pfizer. So as December came, and Pfizer and Moderna were about to release their vaccines for doctors,

Eden made a very hard pivot to a complete focus on anti-COVID vaccine rhetoric. On December 1st of 2020, Eden and a German doctor named Wolfgang Wodarg. Wolfgang Wodarg. Yeah, that works. They filed an application and a petition with the European Medicine Agency and the FDA for the immediate suspension of all COVID vaccination studies. In particular, the biotech and Pfizer one. Quoting the petition, the current study designs for phase two and three trials of the Pfizer vaccine are inadequate to adequately assess effectiveness. Wow, I do not want to say that word.

Effective C. That is weird. Efficacy? Yeah, cut that. Efficacy. It's efficacy, Garrison. Cool. We're keeping this at... No, cut that.

Somebody else has to be mocked for not pronouncing things right. The petitioner and public will suffer irreparable harm if the actions requested their win are not granted. Because once the FDA licenses the COVID-19 vaccination, both governments and employees will make the product mandatory in general and in general for airline or international travel. If the assignment of cases and non-cases during the course of the trial is not accurate, the vaccine will not have been properly tested. If the vaccine is not properly tested, important public policy decisions regarding its use will be based on misleading evidence. So basically, he wanted to stop COVID vaccine testing because he thought the vaccine would pass the test. And if the vaccine passes the test, people will start getting vaccinated. Oh, God.

Logic doesn't follow compute, but he's doing it for his own ends. But there was one particular part of the 40-page long petition application thing that really caught on and has had lasting effects. In the letter, Jiden and the German doctor man stated that the Pfizer vaccine blocks a protein that's key in the formation of the placenta in mammals. They claim that it's possible that women who receive the vaccine could become infertile. So that is where the vaccine causes sterilization things started from. Il comes back to this guy and his little application. This got reported by tons of not very reputable outlets, but it's still very influential. Ex ex ex ex head of Pfizer says that COVID vaccine causes female sterilization is, you know, the types of posts and headlines from, you know, quack sites that got that got very popular.

Google searches for COVID vaccine and infertility skyrocketed by over over 70% in the days after this this petition thing got posted. Quoting Reuters, it's impossible to measure the impact of Ian's claim that COVID-19 vaccinations could cause female infertility. A anecdotally, anecdotally, though, many women have bought in Bonnie Jacobson, a waitress in Brooklyn, New York. Can't recall where she first heard about the fertility issue, but she but she told us that it has made her decision more hesitant to take the vaccine. She liked to have a child sooner than later. That's that's my main concern. She said, let more research come out after initially declining to get vaccinated. She got fired at the tavern she works at.

So this the whole fertility thing really, really caught on Bloomberg news. Yeah. And it's yeah, it's you're already so scared when you get pregnant, right? Because like suddenly you got this this thing growing in you again trying to make a person like there's a lot of scary things about that. And it's just so easy for people to to slide right in there. Yes, they're bullshit. And it's very frustrating. Bloomberg News put together a piece tracking COVID misinformation in Asia the past few months.

And they note that claims originated by Eden have caught on and spread way beyond just, you know, Eden's writing and videos, you know, like the stuff he's saying is now just being repeated by other people. This past May, following following Eden's path, like a dozen Singapore doctors wrote an open letter questioning the safety of the mRNA vaccines, including a claim that the shots would change one's DNA. So like, you see a lot of the stuff that you didn't start to talk about is getting talked about by other doctors or they're making similar like petitions and stuff in their local areas. Yeah, things here in the States are going about as well as you would expect with the type of stuff, because Eden has turned into a new anti-vax like celebrity. He's like, he's the new big guy. Reuters points out that like references to Eden's petition appear on the website of a group founded by influential vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Who has been recently banned from Instagram. If only Sirhan Sirhan had had more bullet while he was a kid back then still either way.

Yeah. And there was a another popular vaccine skeptic. Fertility issues in the column last month under the under the headline pregnant woman beware the COVID shots. And a blog post with an alarmist headline head of Pfizer research COVID vaccine is female sterilization, which are thousands of times on Facebook. He got he got very popular in December and January for this particular kind of thing that he fabricated. A lot of his former colleagues at Pfizer say like they no longer recognize like Eden as the guy they once knew. You know, they used to describe him as like knowledgeable and intelligent who was who was, you know, very evidence based and generally didn't like to be like in the public eye very much. An old friend of his who holds a degree in molecular biology replied to a post he made on Twitter because in December he made a post on Twitter with a with a sign that said ditch the mask.

And he's old friend was like Mike, what the hell are you actively trying to kill people do you realize what you're doing is wrong and your suggestion will result in deaths. And he had like a number of other friends from Pfizer who have, you know, talked about how they used to have like coffee with them and had a good time that he always seem knowledgeable and intelligent and a good scientist. And I obviously disagree with Mike in his most most recent views. This does not sound like the guy I knew 20 years ago. So like a lot of a lot of weird, weird stuff. All of all of his old coworkers and colleagues are just baffled. And another another old friend of his was recounted here recounted hearing Eden in a radio interview last year, quote, there was a tone in his voice that was nothing like I've ever remembered of Mike. He was very angry and very bitter. Yeah, so it is it's it's there's a lot a lot of his friends are just extremely confused.

And earlier this year, a group of his former Pfizer colleagues wrote wrote him like a private letter and a version of it was sent to was sent to Reuters. One section reads we have become going to keep calling it Reuters the whole episode. I thought I thought about it and I decided against it for this particular one. I can go back later if we want. But quote, we have become acutely aware of your views on COVID-19 over the past few months, the single mindedness lack of scientific rigor and one side of interpretation. And of often poor quality data is far removed from the Michael Eden we once respected and enjoyed working with. They also noted his, you know, vast following on social media and the claim that infertility has spread globally. And they ended it by saying, we're very worried that you're putting people's health at risk.

So Eden's particular background gives him so much so much potential danger, you know, even even more than like, you know, the guy who started the Renaissance in anti vaccine stuff. I mean, like he's that got responsible for a lot of this too. But like, because of his because of Union's connection to Pfizer, he has like a lot of optics potential for these type of like conspiracy theory sites and anti vaccine sites. And since January as COVID vaccinations have become more available, Eden's gotten fully drawn in into the anti vaccine conspiracy theory media ecosystem. In March or 2021, it was announced that he was going to be headlining the Awakening World Truth Summit. It's like the big conspiracy theory convention. It's been previously headlined for the likes of Alex Jones and David Ike. I watched his panel.

It was very bad. And then in May, June and July, he's really kicked up the number of interviews for like podcasts and documentaries. And he's starting to give like a lot of like in person speeches at like rallies and stuff. I've watched tons of hours of his speeches and stuff and he's getting better at public speaking. He's like he's like he's developing a set of talking points that really get like a reaction out of people. Like he's figuring out like what things he says can get people the most the most like riled up. And then he's like, you know, polishing different sections of speeches so he can like be a much better, you know, and much more influential speaker. His current kind of greatest hits of like claims that he's saying the his his probably the one he says the most is about asymptomatic infection.

He thinks that if you are not symptomatic, you cannot transmit any disease. He thinks that like lockdowns are pointless because the only way you can transmit disease is if you are showing symptoms. Otherwise, you're not actually sick. That's the thing he repeats all the time. And he thinks that lockdown because of because of this false claim that he's convinced himself of he thinks that like the lockdowns are just like a government plot to control us and, you know, conspiracy XXXXX whatever. Another one of his favorites is saying that variants aren't actually a problem because they either don't really exist or they're so similar to the initial strain that everyone should have immunity by now anyway. And we already know that that's not how COVID immunity works in the first place. Like like there are people who got sick at the beginning of the pandemic who got COVID again like not not long after like that's that's not how it works.

But that does not matter to to Eden. And then besides all the stuff we've already mentioned because relatively a lot of people because so many people have gotten at least one dose by now. He Eden has kind of switched to talk from talking about vaccines to talking about booster shots a lot. He insists that booster shots will kill you. He thinks that he thinks that booster shots aren't a thing and they were invented specifically for this pandemic to kill people. In late April 2021, in an hour long interview, Eden as as described as the former vice president and chief scientist advisor video of him went viral on Facebook claiming that the global government led vaccine rollouts were a ploy to initiate a mass depopulation event. Specifically, Eden said that recipients of the booster shots will die within two years. So he has he's had this mass depopulation kind of thing going on ever since April.

That's kind of been another one of his things he talks about a lot in terms of, you know, governmental control is like all the governments decided to invent COVID at the same time and they're planning something to depopulate the masses or whatever. This is the kind of thing that he's talking about now. He like he does think that like covid's real. He just thinks that most of us are already immune because we've already had a common cold before, or he thinks that the treatments are extremely manageable. Like, like he's he's a big supporter of hydroxychloroquine. He thinks that he thinks that that like can save everybody. He's like the fact that people the fact that the fact that the doctors have not been giving that out means that doctors should be prosecuted for crimes because they're willfully not giving out this life saving drug. And the last thing he's been harping on a lot is vaccine passports. And he's he's still going on about this saying like vaccine passports are the end of liberal democracy.

And he's like constantly saying like next week, vaccine, vaccine passports are going to happen. You know, it's always upcoming. Like we're always just on the curb of making this vaccine passport thing. I mean, we must be really psyched over Macron's latest news. Yeah, he is losing his mind. Yeah, he is not. He's not doing he is. Yeah, I mean, he's he's getting a lot of press. He's getting a lot of interviews in, you know, you know, obscure podcasts, but podcasts that have like a big following, though, because like, you know, this is this is a very popular corner of the Internet.

So yeah, the videos of his speeches and interviews have gone extremely extremely popular on Facebook and Instagram with tens and thousands of thousands of views, sometimes millions on the platform, despite Facebook's effort to remove such content. Even and even when they do remove the content, that doesn't make things a whole lot better. Because I found that many people instead of just posting videos straight to Facebook are now sharing bit shoot links to two videos of Eden talking about all of this shit. One bit shoot link I found that I this is like an hour long video just passed over 300,000 views. I think it got like 50,000 views in the past week. And that particular video on bit shoot ends in a pretty disturbing way. And I've seen Eden have the same discussion in various interviews since then. I'm going to going to quote going to do a dramatic reading of the end of end of Ian's video here. The Nazi doctors were pretty much all hanged for their crimes against humanity. And I'm sorry to say that NHS doctors who administering these agents vaccines to people who are not at risk from the virus because he believes people aren't at risk because they're already immune

and are not telling them that they are experimental are also breaching the Nuremberg code and I believe they're Nuremberg. Nuremberg. Nuremberg. No. Nuremberg. My mouse doesn't like so I have there's something happening as a kid and I had weird I have the very narrow palette and extremely high top of my mouth and it makes a lot of pronunciation extremely difficult. Now I could have had this fix as a kid but I didn't. Is that your excuse Garrison? Yes. I'm not being able to say Nuremberg. Robert what's your excuse for not being able to say Ariana Grande or Beyonce? I've never heard of either of those people. And he closes this quote by saying that you know they are they are breaching the code and I think there should be a Nuremberg to and that's the thing he talks about a lot and interviews he talks about how hanging of NHS doctors are like just around the corner like we're going to have to like we're going to have to like put people in trial and hang them publicly for their crimes. And that's the news thing really is a sequel to Nuremberg almost no one responsible.

Exactly. That's the thing. Like I got bad news about what happened to the Nazi doctors. Not all of them. And he also gives like impassioned pleas for like trying to spread this type of information. Find other people like you who aren't quite sure but are suspicious find people find find someone else to talk to you. And if you and if you find someone that says oh I'm glad you said that because I was I thought I thought this was lies to then both of you can go find a third person. And once you've woken up and realized that you're being lied to it's very frightening. If you find someone else who feels the same don't be afraid to be a little bit wrong the people around you don't know any better than you do. If they're experts and they probably won't be but if they are they'll be able to tell what you're saying is actually true.

And if they like you are just are just suspicious but not really experts then they're not really going to be able to tell that you're wrong. So if you think something's wrong you're right go to go tell someone else who feels the same never look back it's your last chance to risk your own liberty and your children's and your grandchildren's. So none of that makes any sense totally baffling because like he's talking about don't be afraid to be a little bit wrong about the things you're spreading. So like that was one of the most bizarre ends of his video because it's like he's telling people to be wrong about these things. And he almost knows it because like ever since April he has just gone fully down this this climb this like conspiracy rabbit hole. He is like he is becoming the new celebrity in this corner of the Internet and that's that's kind of how he's developed into a person. We're going to end with some slightly slightly good news on this last February some old tweets of his surfaced who's by then Ian's account had almost 100,000 followers on Twitter. But some old tweets of his like like like a few dozen of them were extremely bigoted and Islamophobic got screenshotted and shared around many of them are captured in time by archive.org.

And the next day he didn't made his last tweet saying I'll soon be gone and then two days later his Twitter account was gone. His LinkedIn profile has also changed. He's now saying that he's fully retired and a month later he made a final update on LinkedIn that says I now seek opportunities to relocate to the USA and to continue opposing inappropriate policy responses to COVID-19. So he's planning he's planning to move to the States and continue this vaccine misinformation celebrity thing that he's been doing. And that's that's kind of the that is where he's at now. He's July, June this summer like the summer of 2021. He has gotten extremely popular. He is he is like he is like love to see these spokesperson for this entire for this entire movement. He's polishing his talking points. Yeah. And he's like constructed this false reality that he now like lives in and is just is just is saying saying things that to us make no sense but are extremely influential to people who are already skeptical or who already aren't you know don't like vaccines very much because of his connections to the Pfizer company. Yeah. So that's why like his his his initial intentions are a little bit murky. It's hard. It's hard to see what exactly he's doing. Like he doesn't take donations or anything. He may he may be being paid for like appearances, but it's unclear if he has like any monetary goals from this.

Kind of like, you know, the previous vaccine, the previous like doctor vaccine guy, you know, invested in the invested in those other vaccine companies right to sell those three to sell the three separate vaccines instead of instead of the well together. We don't know if he has any financial kind of things at stake here, or if he's just doing this because he actually actually believes in it. But he's getting tens of thousands of views on bit chute hundreds of hundreds of thousands views on bit chute millions of views on Facebook. And his is just popular. He has skyrocketed in the past few months ever since he went down like the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. And that is Michael Eden former former allergy researcher and now the newest celebrity in the anti-vax world. Well, I hope he falls off of the side of a cliff. I hope I would I would like that for him. I would like it if a bad thing happened and he was not around anymore. I don't know. What do you what do you what else can you say?

Yeah, like this is nothing he can do. Nothing is like his damages. His damage has already been done in a lot of ways. He's like, you can't find a way to do more. But yeah, the thing is, he will find a way to do more. He'll find a way to do more. These people always do. And that's, I don't know, Garrison, you got a fun future to look forward to. We were good stewards of the world. Oh, buddy. Oh, man, when I was your age, the things we said about the Internet were so ridiculous. My God, it was got a free humanity. It was going to be like the end of control by these these these corporations and evil governments and people were going to finally be free.

And knowledge was going to spread to every corner of the globe. Oh, Garrison, we were so stupid. And now your whole generation is fucked. Sorry, man. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of kids at those anti anti anti vaccine rallies that Eden's been appearing at. Yeah. And all of those pages on Facebook, most of them are moms. The ones that, you know, follow his weird conspiracy theory podcasts. Yeah. Yep. Well, as long as he doesn't start publicly hanging doctors, I think.

No, we're good. I mean, God, at least 18 months away from that. I think the fact that he is trying to move to the States is telling for what he wants to do for like, oh, yeah. There's a lot of future for being that guy and lost the status you need us. Exactly. Yeah. But now you can talk about your book. I can I can we can pivot to your book now. No, no. I just want. Do you have his address, Garrison, if you dox this guy yet? I'll talk to you after the phone calls done. Well, this has been behind the bastards, the podcast where nothing good ever happens.

But you keep listening anyway, because you hate yourself. I don't know. Shit. That's not a good way to end a podcast episode. So we. Robert, how do we end a podcast episode? My computer is crashing right now. So it's time. We love about 40% of you statistically speaking. Statistically. Bye.

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