Behind the Bastards - Cracktoberfest Part Four: Why Ronald Reagan Should Have Gone To Jail

Episode Date: October 5, 2022

In part four, Prop now switches to the Contra side of Iran-Contra Affair and how Ronald Regan was bout that life. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, I remember where we were at. Where we laughed, where we last left our heroes. Oliver North had a light bulb idea as to how to solve this problem. Yes, he did. But that's because he's aware of a whole other situation that's happening on the other side of the world that we have not yet talked about. And just for a brief aside, the reason that Ali is aware

of everything that's happening, so I said in the first episode that McFarlane has centralized all intelligence. So it's going through the NSC, they have this computer system. And it's this physical set of terminals that like the data runs directly into the terminal. It's not like a, you know, it's flying through the air or anything. Like it's running along the, these, these wires to the specific set of terminals.

And it's this group of three big screens that all of everything the United States as an entity knows about the world runs into these three screens. So crazy. And the guy sitting behind the screens is Ali North. And that crazy, he was like on the internet before everybody. So Ali is aware of, and he's also like put in charge of all this stuff. You know, so by Bud McFarlane, he's like, look, can you do this?

Can you fix this? So one of the things he's worried about is who we talked about in the beginning of this was the contrast, this rebel group in Nicaragua who's fighting against the Sandinistas. This again, socialist group who over through their dictator and Reagan's just like jockeying. He could not be harder for these guys. He is so just like rock hard for these things.

He calls them the moral. Yeah, I'm sure you're getting to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the, yeah, the more, the force of good in South America. Like just all kind of just out of pocket extra shit about the contrast and that we need to support our brown brothers down south. Just absurd, right? And again, like we said before, it's based on this fear

that socialism is going to spread in the Americas, right? On the Western Hemisphere period. You know, if you go, if we going to have communists, let them be on the other side of the Atlantic. You know what I'm saying? At least it's not, at least it's not on our side of town. But either way, he's like, we rocks with the contras and whatever they need.

And he been on the TV like, yo, whatever these fools need, we need to ride for him. And Congress is like, slow down, chief. Uh, buddy, y'all remember Vietnam? Yeah. This shit don't work, fam. Yeah, we're actually not okay with being, we'll be ride or die for these guys.

Yes. Because we, yeah. So in 1982, they passed what's called the Bolin Amendment, which is if you are a teacher, a parent, an older sibling, whatever the case may be, you would resonate with something like this. It's one of those laws that, or those rules that you can't believe need to actually be stated.

You know, if you, you know, you know, when you see one of those like, please do not walk off this cliff. Please do not lick the door knobs. Like that shouldn't have to tell you this. Why is this a rule? It's because somebody did walk off this click and somebody actually used to lick this door knob.

So we had to make a law. And the law was, hey, you can't use our money to overthrow Nicaragua. Yeah. You can't like it was in broad, it was, you know, you can't just go overthrowing governments and funding militant groups without asking Congress. Right?

You can't just be, you can't just be cutting checks to overthrow governments, fam. Like that's what we pay taxes for. Everyone who wrote, was involved in making it was like specifically looking at what Reagan was trying to do in Nicaragua. Like that was the specific goal of the Bolan Amendment. Yeah. Cause he wasn't hiding.

He was like, nah, we rock with him. The Sandinistas are dangerous. We need to help these fools. And they like, okay, listen, bro, we've been down this route before. You can't just be cutting checks for these people like this. But Reagan's like, okay, word, I hear you. But like, what if I want to though?

Do you know what I'm saying? And he's like, but what if I, but what if I, you know, counterpoint, I want to. So it was Bud McFarlane's job to make sure that we still have these fools back without actually breaking this law. Right? So who does Bud McFarlane put in charge? Oh, Ali, Ali oxen free.

Right? Puts the big homie in charge. So in 1984, Bud tells Ali, listen, this is what we'll do. Hey, have the contras set up this offshore account. Right? This, that, you know, and if you've seen a movie ever, you know what an offshore account is.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, for contributions that are made to them, that are direct deposits to the cause. Ali is like, gotcha. Let me tap in with some homies who know some people down there. So he hits Bill Casey again from the CIA. He's like, yo, who you got down there that can help us

over there set this thing up. So they, so Bill Casey connects them with the homie, Adolfo Calero, right? Who's big Nicaraguan businessman, big baller, you know what I'm saying? Shot caller moving in circles out there with the contras. And he, so Bill Casey lays out the play. He's like, look, small amounts per month,

but only small so that nobody notices it. Right? And when it's time to go, because if you go big, that's how you get caught. Right? And if we do get caught, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? The money is offshore, right?

So nobody will know that the U.S. had anything to do this at all. We don't want, we can't have our name on none of this, but we want you to know that we got you. Right? Word sounds cool. So the next obvious question is like, all right, well, where's this money coming from? If the Bolinac says that we can't fund this, right?

That's cool. But there's no problem with us letting the homies know that our homies need some help. Yeah. Yeah. We could just like, well, we can't fund it, but we can promise favors to the king of Saudi Arabia or whatever.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I wonder where the name Saudi Arabia came from. How did they get involved? Is this not the seventh country to be involved in this story? Yeah. Right? So you're right.

So they say, hey, you know, we've been, we've been slaying weapons to the Saudis for a while. I think they might owe us some favors. You know what I'm saying? And not only have we been selling them Blickies, I mean, we've been selling them that good, good. I mean, that Zaza. We've been giving them like the realness.

So they look, they say, hey, listen, man, we've been like, That ship that takes planes out of the sky. Yes. We've been shooting you to take planes out of the sky because off your shoulder, this look, we ain't been selling you that gas. Like we've been giving you the Zaza. You know what I'm saying?

So if that's the case, hey, man, like, look, we're going to need you to do us a favor real quick. We've been giving you this good stuff. Hey, I need you to slide a million or two into this account. Just, just here and there, just a million, right? You know what I'm saying? And this, this is, this is your way. This is your way of thanking us for giving you that good, good.

Right? That's all we're going to need from you. Saudi like, all right, we're, we got you. We'll slide him a million months to the offshore. The problem is that's not enough, which is crazy that that's not enough. Right. Yeah, that is nuts.

That's nuts. So now enter another acronym, the NSPG, which is the national security planning group, right? Which they connect in June in 1984 to talk about Contra because listen, they finna run out of money and they about to lose this. And the only people that know the money's going through the Saudis is Oh, Ronnie Reagan, Oliver North, Bill Casey and Bud Mifarlane. They don't only people that know this and that's really who's in this group.

Right. And they're like, okay, so we need to figure out they need more money. Right. How do we help the Contras? Right. Which we not supposed to be helping anyway, but we slick, slick, kind of low key under the table, figured out how to do this.

Right. So then they say, if anyone finds out that we're getting money from other countries to pay for this. If we're like, well, that's not taxpayer payers money. We just got money from somebody else. Right. And they're like, no, that's not directly. Then they're like, not as still impeachable.

Like we can't just do that. Right. But they're like, I still don't know how to do this cut to Oliver North. Right. In the group text with Calero and the Saudis to make sure that the money's going through the money's going through. Everybody's cool. Right.

But again, it's still not enough. But while everybody's sweating about this, the funny part is like dudes like Weinberger who's like, listen, I don't understand what y'all problem is. This is perfectly legal. Yeah. Like we're not, we have not done anything wrong. Listen, we have no control over their money.

Right. And just because we connected the two. That's not like, just because we connected them. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like we haven't broken no laws here. Now vice president Bush senior, he's in the room and he's like, listen, man, what's, I don't, I don't understand what everybody worried about.

What's wrong with us doing a solid for the homies. Right. As long as we don't get anything in return, we all agree less. It's, it's okay. Let them keep doing what they doing. And if we get approval from the AG, from the eternal general, and now everybody knows this, then I don't understand what the problem is. Right.

Ronald Reagan like, okay, I get it. As long as I know one thing. This is one time I was like, okay, this is a good Ronald Reagan quote. He's like, this works as long as everyone keeps their fucking mouth shut. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, it's working out great. If you don't say a goddamn thing.

I was like, okay, Ronnie. All right. You, you, you shown some humanity that I agree with. He's like, okay, Ronnie does understand. You can try to convince me this is legal, but just in case I need nobody singing. Now, as anyone who has no, who's ever tried to put together a lick or a mission or a scheme, the more names involved, the more people involved, the more chances for problems.

Right. Right. We're still in a situation where Oliver North is down there, you know, again, since he's the middle man between the Saudis, you know, Calero and the Contras. Right. The Contras are still just a rebel group. They're not a five star purple hearted general. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Like Oliver North. So Oliver North down there kind of low key giving them game here and there. Right. Just like, yo man. Okay. Listen. So when we give you this, this how you set stuff up, right?

You know what I'm saying? You know, and we'll try to get you some more money. So while this is happening in October of 1984, the Congress passed another bowling amendment that was like, okay, listen, you can't pay for the Contras, but you also can't indirectly fund the Contras. Yeah. Man. You're not allowed to loophole funding a foreign military organization.

We see what you're doing. We're not letting you do this. Yes. We see what you're doing, bro. I mean, they do wind up letting them do this. And they eventually do. Yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah.

But they're just like, bro, you can't just like, okay, listen, dog. I again, we thought maybe this was clear, but you can't directly or indirectly fund them. So everybody who hears that, that was funding indirectly the Contras goes, okay. So, so what you're telling me is we just have to come up with a better system. To fund the Contras. Right. That's what you're saying.

Like, no, no, we're saying don't do it. They're like, so do it better. Got it. Right. So they're just like, that means we got to turn up. So in 85, Oliver North gets them gets the Saudis to double their monthly pledge. And between 1984 and 1986, it says that the Saudis gave them $32 million to the Contras. And Ali knows it all $32 million.

Right. It's like, and he's down there, Ali down there, giving him all kinds of games, weapons, war strategy, 11 million in guns, $11 million, 11 million worth of guns. And they still lose it. That's a significant number of guns. Like that's not a tiny number of guns. No, it is 85. Yeah.

So, and they still lose it. That shit goes far back. That you just lose it. Awesome. They still lose it. Yeah. Listen, I mean, one of the things that is, we should probably hone people in on here if they haven't picked up on it.

The Contras are not a very good rebel group. They not, they, this should have been. Yes. They do get better. Like in terms of their competence at fighting, like near the end of the story. Yeah. They're like, they're really bad at being, being an insurgent militia. It's just really not doing well, and they taken on another insurgent that over through

another government who clearly got some more experience on you. You know what I'm saying? So like, fam, this shit ain't working. Like, and, and it's like, and we just dumping money into you. But again, as America or Reagan and him is concerned, we have a vested interest in y'all winning this war. And it's almost like, look, the purse, the purse can't have a bottom on it because I need y'all to witness, right?

And now cut to Oliver North, right? Uh, Ali, they remember this is all happening at the same time while we still trying to get them hostages out. It's the same time, right? So we still ain't got no hostages. Jump saying we dumping money here. Now remember that we're not giving the Saudis these weapons. They're buying them.

Yeah. Right. But so the agreement was agreeing to sell to us, right? That was the part that I always miss when I was like trying to really understand this story growing up. I was like, well, I don't understand where the money coming from. It was like, well, no, they buying it. They're paying.

Yeah. They're paying for these weapons. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The fucking arms industry is getting their cut of this. Yeah. Yeah.

Everybody making money. You know what I'm saying? So this is happening at the same time. We still ain't got our hostages. So in November 1985, November 17, 1985, Israel calls Oliver North to be like, okay, back to winning our last Hawk missiles, didn't clear customs. Remember we told you about that. It didn't clear customers.

It got sent back. Right. So that's when Oliver North calls Bud McFarland and tells Ronnie he's down for whatever. Right. Iran thinks Israel sabotaging this stuff. And they're like, if you, if you blame America, they're going to kill the hostages. Right. So we're in a situation that we got to figure out how to take care of both of these situations.

There's not enough money here. We still ain't got our hostages over there. In comes January 1986, the diversion. Now, according to Oliver North, he said, Gabbana far came up with it. Right. And, uh, we can't know because it was like a movie scene where you out in London. Y'all remember that meeting I said when they talked in London, right? Yeah.

They're out in London. They're having a conversation. We'll be seeing where the full Gabbana far pulls this fool into the, into the, into the bathroom, turns the water on. Right. So nobody heard him talking. Right. And according to Oliver North in his story, according to his story, he's like, listen,

I got an idea how you could get an extra milli for you. I got an idea and you could make an extra milli on it. Right. But it's going to take a few steps. So he's like, okay, here's the plan. You stop using Israel. Okay. Sell directly to Iran and mark up the price and take the rest and put it in that offshore

account that the Nicaraguan set up. Sure. And if you want to, won't you mark it up a little bit more and you could pocket a little bit. Like, you put your life in danger here anyway. You probably going to go to jail over this shit. So you might as well make a little money, you know what I'm saying? And you know, Boy Scout Oliver North is like, well, I could never do that.

Right. Uh, but he doesn't do it. So he doesn't take the money. Right. But he definitely is like, huh, it basically, huh, huh. So they need more money, we need our hostages, Iran thinks Israel's the problem. So if we remove Israel, sell to y'all directly, mark it up, take that extra money, put it in the offshore account that way we get our hostages and we pay for this war that we not

allowed to pay for with money that actually don't exist because remember, we're not supposed to be selling to them anyway. So that in that case, if you, if you work it right, the money never touches our account. It never comes into your bank account because the money not supposed to exist anyway. And again, like we said in the beginning, brilliant, right? Although quite a bit of that money is going to wind up in a physical safe that all of our North keeps like he winds up, he's, he's grabbing, there's points, points of this where he's like paying off people in our government and stuff.

And he's just like handing folks like bearer bonds. He keeps in his fucking safe in the white house. It's hilarious. It's the most messiest, like it's very messy because these people aren't actually criminals. Yeah. Yeah. During the summer of 2020, some Americans suspected that the FBI had secretly infiltrated the racial justice demonstrations.

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Listen to the last Soviet on the iHeartRadio App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, so Ollie goes up, pulls up to the new national security advisor, this dude John Paul Dexter, who I thought was a made up name. No, no, that dude's got a real ass name and he goes down hard. Yeah. And he was like one of them like true believer type dudes, like first class and one like, you know, Navy, PhD and like nuclear.

He's described as being, he's extremely smart and he also, he's described as being extremely intelligent and having effectively no independent thought whatsoever. Like he's this brilliant man who's never had an idea of his own, but he's unfailingly loyal. Yeah. He's just down. True believer, down. So January 17th, Reagan finally signs the finding, right?

To drop the middleman, to be like, this is what we're going to do. I'm going to sign the finding. Remember he did the retroactive one, but which was already fraudulent. Now he's about to sign one that's going to say, we're going to cut out the middleman. The problem is it never goes to Congress. So Congress never saw it, right? But the diversion is now off to the races, right? So missiles that we sold to Iran for what should have been 3.7 million was 10 million.

That's what we raised the price to from 3.7 to 10 million. And we take the extra 6 million and we fund the, the Contras, right? That was the plan. Yeah. It was working. We still ain't got the hostages. They still ain't gave them up. Bill Casey is fucking dead.

Yes. Yeah. Or not Casey, Buckley is fucking dead. He did. He did. They still ain't got the hostages. They get like one guy or something at one point in this, like almost no movement at all.

Like they're, they're handing over literal tons of weaponry. They're trying to get six dudes. Yes. And I'll tell you right now, if I've got six guys and you give me 500 tons of anti-air and anti-armor weaponry, I'm going to give you those six guys because I'm an honest man. Yeah. But no, Hezbollah is just like, ah, you know what, no. See how long we can run it going.

See how long we can run it. Yeah. And at the end of the day, it's like, I don't blame them. If y'all keep sending them, they're like, why would I stop? Like y'all keep sending them. It seems like the U S is just a gun pinata, right? So why not? Like there's no downside.

What's crazy is in this whole story, the realest, the only real ones in this story so far is Hezbollah. Yeah. Cause they was like, look, we'll do it. If you give us weapons. And I'm like, wait, so you'll still give us weapons, even if we don't do our part or Iran. Yeah.

Yeah. Is Iran. They're like, wait, you'll still give us weapons. If we don't give you what you want. I mean, we'll shit like you said, like, I don't know. I mean, that it's, it's cool, right? So anyway, uh, so Ronnie hits, uh, Bud McFarland back and he's like, listen, dog, I don't fuck up.

I need some help here. Right. So in May 86, they land in Tehran, right, uh, with a couple spare parts of a hawk missile, a kosher cake for some reason, and a Bible, and as according to Ronald Reagan story and a court and a Bible with a message from Ronald Reagan. Now, why in the world, Ronald Reagan would think this was a good gesture is beyond me, but they were there to negotiate the terms of release, right? So basically it was like, okay, we moving out good bonafide.

This is us talking like, let's talk face to face. All right. Here's the situation. And as a sign of good faith, here's this, here's this Jewish thing that I'm giving you now, right? At which I still don't understand why he thought that was a good idea unless it's a dig towards Israel. That just doesn't make sense to me and a Bible.

I don't get it. The point is, according to them, that's what they say. Now Oliver North and his story is, it wasn't no Bible and the cake was something that he bought in Tel Aviv, right? Which is why it was kosher. Uh, but either way, they was in this meeting. They brought Bud back from retirement because remember, Bud was like, dog, I'm out, man. I don't want none of this.

Bud came back to, because Ronald asked him and it was in this situation and Ollie was like, okay, here's the move. This is what we're going to say. We're going to negotiate the terms is what it is. We hear directly, you know, you ain't got to worry about good bonafide who has cashed plenty of checks, right? And it's clearly in on the thing, right? So we're having a talk and then Bud flies off the handle.

Blood throws the whole thing up. He was like, the Iranians offered two hostages. It was like, okay, well, we'll slide y'all two hostages. Bud was like, hey, homie, it's everything or nothing. Nah fam, we ain't come up here for two. We came up here for everybody, right? And he was like, look, look, and he leaning over and he leaning over to Ollie and him and he's like, listen, dog, you got to do this with these fools because they're not

down. They're not going to give us anything. He was like, I knew they weren't going to do this because listen, when we flew in here, they didn't even meet us for this meeting. Like, they weren't dating, they didn't send no cars. We had to straight like Uber to this shit. Like, they ain't got no, we ain't got no hotel, we got to figure this shit out. They not really here for us.

Matter of fact, they had us waiting for two days. He was like, fool, we had this meeting, we just been sitting here for two days waiting for these fools to come. You don't understand, you ain't got no hustle in you. He was like, they hustling us, fam, nah, everybody or nothing. That was Bud's thing. Because you remember Bud's gangster, right? So he's like, all right, well, either we could do this, try to figure this out, you know,

all or nothing. And while they saying all or nothing, I ran and already unloaded the plane. So they already got the weapons. So they already got the parts. So they not even worried about anything. You talk about anything. Anyway, we got all these parts, right? Which meant that they paid for it.

So they was like, we're going to get you, we'll pay for the money, but we're still not going to give you your hostages. And we already got the pieces anyway. So the negotiation is done. So y'all, I mean, y'all want what y'all want to do, y'all go ahead back home, right? So he goes head back home, they all on the plane. So Oliver North calls back home and he tells, and he's, and he's, and, and, oh, I forgot this is an important part about this.

Bud McFarland don't know about the diversion. They don't even know about the raise in the price to send it to Iran, like, or to send it to a Nicaragua. He don't even know. Kick. Well, because again, the CIA, like they're not, they don't like the NSC, right? All these organizations are greedy. They all want to be like running shit through themselves.

So like everybody's compartmentalizing information and stuff. Yeah. So they on the plane. So they on the plane right now on their way back home and they like, damn, dude, I like, damn, man, it's, dang, it didn't work again. But at least we got the dough for the, for the contras and he just slips. Well, at least we got the dough for the contras, right? And Bud is like, yeah, wait, what?

We got the what now? So he's like, oh, he just dry snitched on himself. So now he's like, uh, well, I guess, I guess, I guess that's what we doing. Everybody's like, well, tell the president that the negotiation failed, right? I guess that's it. So flashback to 86. We still trying to deal with Nicaragua, right? So finally, August 6, 1986, Reagan finally convinces the Congress to pass, to chill on

the Bolan Act, right? So there's a hundred million dollars appropriation bill. Now keep in mind, we've been paying these fools for three years. I'm saying it, but, uh, now you done finally got the Congress to agree to a hundred million dollars appropriation bill. The Republican, the Republican just like back then, just like now are like, yo, let's ride. The Democrats are like, okay, cool, wait, but we have so many questions, like, we're just, you just got to cut a check for these people, like, okay, can we, can we discuss

this a little bit? Then they enter this man named Lee Hamilton, right? He's from the intelligence committee in the Congress and he asked Oliver North and them like, okay, listen, bro, we've been, we've been discussing this shit for a while. I need you to keep it a whole century with me. Keep it a buck with me, bro, a hundred. Keep it real. You been down there with the Contras already?

Have you been given them military advice this whole time? Oh, Lee, Oh, Lee, have you? Oh, Lee, son, right?

And it's like, listen, we don't look, the laws already passed. Okay. It's already passed, bro. And again, he's, a lot of this is happening in DC, like he's meeting with their reps and handing them fucking bags of cash that he takes out of a safe in the fucking headquarters of the U.S. goddamn government. It's hilarious.

It's fucking, it's so funny. Oh man. It's, it's such just like crime stuff, like it's not like they just, they did a thing and then found it afterwards. Oh my God. We violated some sort of congressional, no, no, dude, you're, you're shoving bearer bonds into a sack to hand them to a dude who you are now telling how to kill people. Like it is the war's equivalent of Shaggy's classic song.

It wasn't me. That's right. That's right. He's got me in a shower. It wasn't me. Like you just cut, just picture it where he's, what's that fucking service you can pay famous people who are kind of on the down slide to record videos for you? What is that?

Uh, It's called Cameo. Cameo. It is Ollie North on Cameo. We could get him to do that. That would be pretty fucking incredible. It'd be so great. Yes.

You just, oh man. It's so funny. Yeah. It's just, it's totally a movie. It's like when you ask, when you ask him, Hey, have you been doing this already? You just cut to the, the flashbacks of him doing all this shit and him being like, okay, I know this is the great place you want to be. I know what y'all know.

If you're the one doing the crimes, it's better for me to know how much everybody else knows. And I know y'all don't know shit, right? So you need to craft the answer to say, I'ma only give you an answer that confirms what I know you already know and only as much as I know. So his answer, quote, well, I'm a military man and when I sit down with other military men, it's inconceivable that we won't talk about military things. So even if I thought I could give them good advice, you and I both know we can't run this war from Washington, okay, unquote, subtext, yeah, we're actually running this war from

Washington. Yeah. And they're literally like giving them stuff like, Hey, we need you guys to do an offensive now. You've got to like try to take this area, this, these camps and stuff back because we need to be able to like put some victors, some, some dubs on the board. Like it's very direct coordination. He's literally coordinating this war.

And then they ask him something like, Hey, look, just keep it real. Have y'all been raising money for the contrast? He was like, nah, nah, what, what, wait, like raising money, nah, hey, hey, but, hey, hey, yo, hey, we were, nah, we haven't been raising money. Wine burger. Do you know video? Nah, we haven't been raising no money. That's cool.

Right. And the Congress is like, well, I guess that covers it. So, uh, he said no. So I mean, he said he didn't. So yeah, I guess you want to cut the check everybody, everybody good, everybody good. They cut the check. Right. We did our work.

We did our job. We were supposed to ask. He said, no, I don't know how to tell you, right? The rest is just paperwork. Seems easy. Hmm. Right. So now we are now back at October of 1986.

Right before the money was supposed to get cleared. Right before this a hundred million was supposed to get clear. Gene from Wisconsin head ass. Get shot out of the sky. Oh, Gene, got damn it, Gene. You fucked it all up, Gene. What are you doing? Your name is Gene and you're from Wisconsin.

What are you doing in Nicaragua? Gene. What are you doing? Come on. Haas and Foss. My God. What is this shit? Get, get, get out of here.

Oh man. So Bill Casey like, look, burn the books now. Get out now. We got to get out now because like we caught, we burnt the spot to blow. Yeah. Start throwing some shit in the furnace. Yes. Oliver like, look, everybody shredding it is not going to be enough.

Oh man, Oliver North like everybody, you ain't got to go home. You got to get the hell out of here dog. Right. Time to go. Time to go fucking bad. Time to go everybody. Time to go. Now this is.

Damn near burnt the white house, house down behind them. Yes. This is the, this is the famous shit that I remember being a very small child and seeing on television. Right. And, and dope that what's the name of President Biden just talked about officers getting reparations over this shit. Right.

Yeah. He says, since everybody got to go home, we need no evidence and by I mean no evidence, I mean we are bulldozing these buildings, digging a big hole, throwing everything in the pilt, everything in the hole, nigga, the chairs, the printer, the desks, the water cooler, everything going this whole burn the shit on fire in the jungles in Nicaragua. Just burn the shit. Yeah. Like burn everything, right?

So why everything getting burned, Gene from Wisconsin had asked is doing an interview with Mike Wallace on 60 minutes. Awesome. Good call, Gene. Get your money, Gene. Yeah. I have so much respect for Gene, for Gene from Wisconsin because Gene was like, you're going to pay me to do what, to fly, to fly where, word, I don't owe y'all nothing, okay.

No. Look, you guys, you guys just said you don't know me. You just said, exactly. I don't know what kind of cards you think you have left over me here, but. Because when worse came to worse, when we was down, when shit hit the fan, you understand what I'm saying? You was not down. Okay, cool.

I'm going to go get my money then. You understand, look, Gene and the Iranians are the realest people in this story. Yeah. Gene was like, all right, so well, no, that's bullshit. This what they had me do. My man was on 60 minutes telling his own story. So then, oh man. So now, but although in October of 18 or 1986, because the Bolden act thing was repealed,

they really, now we don't need no diversion. So we could stop. We could stop like trying to hide out all this stuff, right? But as long as, like Reagan said, everybody keeps their mouth shut, whatever. As we all know, no one ever keeps their mouth shut. No. Then in the history of keeping your mouth shut, no one ever keeps their mouth shut. We did an episode on her politics about how many years you got to throw at somebody before

they start snitching. I don't care how hard of a gangster they are, year, five years, that's a vacation. You have somebody hold your money, hold it was cool, as long as you good, you got enough people in the same. You could do a year. You could do two years. You start talking about 10 years, you start talking about 25 years. People start sounding like Mariah Carey out this mug.

You become Rihanna, like fools start singing when you throw enough time on them, right? And also, if you a journalist, oh, there's some Pulitzer Prize shit, like you gon' change your life forever. You break this story. Yeah. So in November of 1986, a newspaper in Lebanon called Al Shura drops they expose and fam they name names, everybody involved, they name names, their food, they lit this thing up. Now all of America is like, uh, what the hell?

White House? Y'all got something to say? And the White House is like, what, uh, what, this is so weird. I don't, what are you talking about? I don't know what she's talking about. That's crazy, right? It's crazy, right? She was saying, you see all that that they said?

It's crazy, right? I don't know, right? So you can kind of play it off, but again, everyone snitches and not only does everyone snitch when you have somebody like a character like a Ronald Reagan, right? Which is, which you're watching play out in a lot of ways, just in a very uncouth way with Donald Trump in the sense that if a person feels like they too smooth to get caught, they'll start dry snitching on themselves. Then they don't listen to, that's, that's the one thing about learning about a narcissist.

A narcissist will always reveal their play always because they need you to stroke their ego, right? They need you, they need you to be impressed about their prowess. So and they're going to go off script because they believe they invincible always in the same way that Trump snitched on himself about the box of classified documents that was laid out on the floor. When he was like, man, they spread it out there. They spread all that shit out on the floor like I was a slob.

I kept all my documents in a nice folder. Oh, where are the documents that you ain't supposed to have? The ones that you said that you already gave back? Yo, I'm like, fam, you just, you just dry snitched like, oh, so you do got the documents, right? So we're going to watch President Reagan continue to try to try to dance, right? During the summer of 2020, some Americans suspected that the FBI had secretly infiltrated the racial justice demonstrations.

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This is the crazy story of the 313 days he spent in space, 313 days that changed the world. Listen to the last Soviet on the iHeart Radio App, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Now the first person to actually snitch is the weirdo Don Regan, right? Because again, if you're in a situation like this, like you have to like anybody in this situation, who do you think everybody's going to try to protect? I mean, the boss, right?

You're going to protect the president. Yeah, that's the way that works. Especially like Ronald is, he's gotten reelected by the point that this breaks. But he's also kind of losing his shit, right? Yeah. Like he's seriously like Nancy is kind of running things for a large chunk of this. Yeah. Yeah.

He's starting up, he's starting to lose his marbles, but he's still the don, he's still the boss. And if you know that, you start, what you should do is start calculating where on the totem pole you are, because the lower you are, the more likely you're going to get thrown to the wolves, right? So if you got any sense, you're like, I need to set this shit up for myself, because y'all not going to look out for me. Y'all remember Gene Haas and Foss from Wisconsin, y'all not going to look out for me.

You know what I'm saying? So you, you should know what the situation, right? But now this, now this, now this snitch Don Regan, who nobody knows is a snitch at the time they call Washington Post. They say, he say the president didn't have nothing to do with it. He was trying to like, which is a, which is quite a calculation for him. He's like, all right, let me not, I'm a snitch, but not on the big boss because I don't want that to come back and bite me in the ass later.

So he snitches and the person he throws under the bus is Bud McFarland. And he says that man never told the president what he was doing. Of course that's a lie. President, of course. And there's, yeah, the president definitely knew there are a bunch of shady things where like McFarland will say, well, no, I got his specific approval before I did this thing. And it'll be like, well, when did you do that? Well, I called him and he's like, well, there's not a record of this phone call.

There's now, there's other records of Reagan knowing about it. Like, but yeah, that doesn't mean on the day to day, but just to make the point, McFarland absolutely lies, of course, what Reagan knew, but Reagan also knew, although it is possible that the Alzheimer's caused him to lose significant pieces of it, you know, absolutely. And it's like, and when you run in a lick like this, and especially like Bud McFarland and Ronald Reagan, like they're actually like buddies, you know what I'm saying? So it's very possible that like he is just like calling on the fly, like, oh, by the way, they're just hanging out or something.

Yeah. He's like, oh, by the way, it was a call, but it was during a thing. Yeah. Yeah. I got to send six million to, yeah, to Iran. You cool? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. When you dial in around like the, what specifically did the president know? Well, that's a harder question to answer, but did, did the president know an approve of the plan? Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

So the hope was that like, listen, tell this, tell this, tell this cover story. Ed Meese was the attorney general at the time, and he's like, listen, Bud, Bud retired, right? So Bud's retired, he not going to lose his job. If we put everything on Bud, Bud knows everything, we're cool, right? Like then, then that way we could get out of it. That's the story, Ronnie. That's the story is like, Bud did the thing. Here's the situation.

He Dexter Hollisette at Bud and he says, yo, if you tell Don to back off, like Don out here trying to like drag me, I remember I said later on that Don tells this story to the press that Bud is cheating on his wife, just like, just a dickhole, right? So Bud is like, okay, I'll take some of this heat, but fuck Don Regan. Like you know what I'm saying? Like you, you're not going to do this to me like this. He's like, okay, cool. Just protect the president.

Now Reagan getting slaughtered in the press. This is the least popular he ever is. He did murder. He kinds of has a breakdown around this point. He really does. Like Nancy is running the show. He's basically hiding and watching like old movies on television. No one can reach him.

Yes. They actually, there is a period of time where they consider, they actually like bring in an outside guy to secretly analyze Reagan, whether or not they need to do a 25th amendment and like pull his ass out of there. Because he was losing it. Which is how he dipped out of impeachment was like, well, don't recall. So he getting slaughtered and guess what? Them hostages is still in Iran, which is still funny to me.

It's not funny because that's their life, but it's like, all this shit, you still ain't got the hostages. But he says he has to make some sort of statement. Now, if you are Reagan, again, your pride is involved here, right? If the story is they doing all this shit up under my nose and I don't know it, then I look like a punk. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, I don't know how cool I am with this.

Point Dexter says, listen, he tells the press, listen, it was, I know everybody was saying this was about arms for hostages and it was not, fam. This was always about being good with Iran because everybody know they crazy over there. So we needed to make sure that we was good over there. We was tapped in, everything was cool and it all happened in 86. Anything before that, yo, that was Israel. Like it remembered that was the cover the whole time running through Israel so that when you can, so you could tell your people if it do come out like, oh, I don't know, fam.

That was Israel. Like whatever they did with them, I don't know, you could check the ledgers. We were selling them stuff because that's what we do. We've been selling them stuff for years. Like I don't understand the problem, right? But everybody knows, look, man, somebody's got a role. Don Regans like, listen, man, a head got a role. This story ain't gonna hold up.

People gonna figure this out. And as long as that head ain't Reagan, we gonna be cool, right? So Reagan goes with the story, right? But he got to go talk to Congress, right? Now this is where it gets super funny, right? So now we in November 12th, this is 1986, and Reagan got to talk to Congress, right? We talking Bob Dole. We talking Dick Cheney, right?

All these like big, big like Reagan stands that ended up ruining most of our childhood as they became part of the leadership of our government, right? So the Congress is like, okay, fam, when did this start? Well, I think it started in November 85, but we ain't do no transfers to the heaters until 1986. Yeah. I mean, that's a total lie, right? And then Reagan says, yo, yeah, this was like a clandestine thing because we don't negotiate

with people. That shit is a lie. He out here trying to be a cowboy, like you think you really, y'all really think, y'all really think I'm that much of a punk that I'm gonna be out here negotiating with these terrorists? That's a lie, fam. I don't be negotiating with no terrorists. That's not what I did.

I had this clandestine shit and point Dexter and him is like, nigga, if you don't shut the fuck up, you're not supposed to know what happened. That was the story. The storyline is you don't know what happened. He's like, nah, man, I'd let them make sure that we don't negotiate with terrorists. Like, okay, fam, here we go. So after all this, Schultz meets with everybody and he's like, George Schultz is like, fam, I tried to tell y'all this shit wasn't gonna work.

I tried to tell y'all this was gonna happen, right? And Don is like, look, if everybody stick to the script, it's gonna be cool, right? But Schultz is like, listen, this math ain't mathin'. Everybody gonna figure this out. This is Watergate all over again, right? It's not gonna work. I'm trying to tell y'all, Reagan losing his marbles, right? Don't let this man talk.

But I'm telling you, Schultz is like, fam, who we gonna throw under the bus? Because they gonna figure this shit out. Like people are not stupid. This story don't make sense. The story we telling them don't make sense and the numbers are obvious, right? This is Watergate all over again. So then now it's like Reagan again with his like, I'm a superhero is like, okay, listen, let me go ahead and talk to the nation.

And now in this situation, anybody who got any sort of like street, you know, any sort of like street wisdom would know that you are now in a position where you are going to look people in the face and lie to them. So this was wrong. This is not the move, fam, because now you officially lie to our face, right? Before it was confusing. Before it was just, you know, ambiguous. Now you finna lie to us, right?

So he was like, listen, what they saying about me ain't true. I made no concessions and we ain't get him no guns. America like fam, you just gonna lie to us like that? Like this is so obvious what you did. And he like, I'm trying to tell y'all this ain't what we did, right? That same day, Point Dexter getting grilled, right? And he like, listen, dog, we ain't getting more weapons. Okay, maybe a few weapons.

We have a couple of weapons. A couple, right? And then Reagan on November 19th, doubling it down and reporter says, yo, then this is the part that like went viral if their version of viral, right? One of the reporters was like, yo, you say you ain't trade no weapons for hostages, but every time one of them hostages kind of came home, the records show a major shipment of guns. Uh, what's that about?

That's kind of weird. It's like when a hostage lands, weapons leave. That kind of seemed like, I mean, I'm just reading the ledger. It kind of seemed like you was giving weapons for hostages, right? It feels a little like that. It kind of looked like that. And Reagan and them like, look, dude, ship weapons all the time. If it happens at the same day, I mean, I don't know what to tell you fam.

It just kind of happened at the same time, right? But it's just your lie getting, getting worse and worse and getting paper thin, somebody going to figure this out. Somebody going to have to take this fall because the script ain't working and the script's only kind of true, right? And Reagan keep talking too much. The more you talk, cause he feeling like, you know, you know, when you lying and people figuring out your lie, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, your instinct is to double down.

But once you start doubling down, like I say, you start dry snitching, it's getting worse and worse and worse, and your story's not adding up. This shit don't make sense. This is what's playing off all over the news. If Twitter was around on this time, this would be just a great time in Twitter. This shit not making sense, right? November 20th, Schultz is telling him like, listen, bro, just come clean, right? Just they going to figure it out.

And if they figure it out, it's worse, right? And Reagan does textbook white boy stuff and he says, uh, listen, I didn't mean, this is great again, textbook white, why didn't mean to sell weapons for hostages? So if I didn't mean to do it, I didn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My heart tells me I didn't do it, but the other one is like literally a thing he says.

Yes. So they're just, my best intentions say we didn't do this, but all the evidence says we did. So who's to say what happened? Well, that's my, that's my Reagan. Yes. Well, so, uh, the next day they like, look, dog, this is what we're going to do. We're going to launch an internal investigation, right?

Ed Meese is like, look, let's launch an internal investigation. Let's figure out what's going on. Let's highlight the national secretary advisor, right? Point Dexter and figure out these findings, right? The point Dexter knows exactly what he finna find out because he going to find out that the papers that was supposed to be turned in and findings was never turned in and one of them was backlogged. So basically when he finds them papers, which we all know exist is going to prove that the

president knew everything, right? Now, guess who else knows all this? Oliver Malkinorth. Yep. He sure does. He know all this. And got all the paperwork. If the man everything comes into, right, like he gets it all.

And if this fool got it all, there's a, there's papers for everything. So he's like, well, what is the most logical thing to do right now? Probably the same thing you did in Nicaragua. You just got to get rid of the evidence, right? Yeah. First make a copy. So I can have my own and you need to get rid of everything. This is, these are serious felonies y'all.

Like let's, let's not, let's, okay, let's, let me not, you can't shred government documents to cover up war crimes like this. This is terrible. Right? Yeah. So he calls his assistant like a dumbass. So he calls his assistant to go do it, right? Which again, crime number one one on one, you can't just send somebody even I don't care

how close this person is. You can't send somebody else to come do this. You need to make sure this shit is done correctly, right? Because if anything is missed, everybody going to jail. So they go about and they shred 15 months of correspondence, right? 15 months and one and missed Robert, they missed one document. Ah, well, that's pretty good. And that one document proved the whole thing of all the documents that they shredded, the

one they didn't shred. Follow me. Follow me. The one document they didn't shred was a memo entitled the diversion memo. Oh, yeah, the crime note, how to crime, how we're going to break the law repeatedly. Amazing guys. So what we're going to do that we're trying to cover up memo, you get so lazy when the whole apparatus of government is on your side.

Like that's that's really what this is. It's the same thing you see from all these like right wing groups being like, here's our meeting chat, well, we're going to overthrow the government. I mean, well, kids who are like, I don't know, burning a police car with nobody inside, it's been like years planning and like the rest of their lives frightened that the laws behind them and burn all of their clothing, never see each other again. Yes. Meanwhile, the guys trying to overthrow the entire government are like, let's just do

a signal loop for that. And I'll loop in my guy with the Trump White House and we'll just all get in the same group and figure out how we're going to kill all those people. It's all good, bro. It's talking hell, guys. Literally a memo called the diversion memo. You nerds, like you named it the crime. What the hell is wrong with y'all?

You know what I'm saying? So that's the one that got out because that's the one they missed. Now by this point, Ed Meese knows everything. You know, Reagan is still, you know, stiff lift. I don't know what's going on. I do nothing wrong. Literally the document shows that you absolutely did, right? The NSC has got all kind of private memos, right?

They got to blame somebody, point extra finna resign, Oliver North is the only person they can blame because it all came out of his office. Now the next thing that happens is the independent investigation from Lauren Walsh. Now what happens, that what plays out in public is the part that a lot of us are familiar with. It's when a special investigator, this is their version of Robert Mueller, right? Comes on the scene and comes in, just picture the slow motion and this dude's retired. Like just a nerd retired at home.

I'm tired of doing this lawyer thing. They sent him this situation and he's like, oh, shit, damn, god damn. Okay. Yeah. A lot of investigated. He do the investigation, fools come on TV and what was televised, which is so crazy. It's like just, it's almost like the beginnings of how we see politics now. What was hot, what was, what was televised was the Oliver North trials and that man ended

up being on the cover of Time Magazine as one of the greatest Patriots because Oliver North figured out how to play the game. He was like, okay, listen, I'm going to go to jail for this shit. I'm going to go to jail as a Patriot. Yeah. And he became this like right wing superstar. Oh yeah. No, I watched his fucking TV show all the time when I was a kid.

He got a TV show with Oliver North. I think he's still on the air. Oliver North, bro, for running this thing. But basically he became the fall guy. Now years later, right, you go after, so after president Reagan was president George Bush senior and there had to be an agreement that like, hey, you're not going to like, you're not going to impeach me later, right? And he's like, fam, why in the hell would I impeach you later?

Of course I'm not going to, because if I impeach you, nigga, I'm going to jail because I was in the room the whole time, fam. So why would I not do that? But a trial did happen where Reagan, Ronald Reagan, believe it or not, this is the part that like surprised me. Ronald Reagan was put on trial for this. It's just he was so far into his Alzheimer's at the time that he was able to be like, well, I don't recall.

Well, I don't recall. He became the quote that all of us love, which is not to my recollection. Did you not to my recollection? Would you there? I don't remember. Not to my recollection. So president Reagan actually got it, oh wait, no one except for Oliver North saw any real time.

Yeah. And yeah, Oliver North's war stories ran for 15 years. 15 years. Up until 2016. Yeah. And that my friend. All in North. Yes.

All them Fox news dollars. And that my friend is the Iran Contra scandal. What a great story. It really is. What a great story. I'm proud to be an American right now. And as you guys will find out in the book endings of these series that there was other ways that Nicaragua thanked us.

They did. They showed their gratitude in a way that was deeply felt in the United States and we will be getting into that or have been getting into that or you'll hear that too. It's all coming out. It's all, it's all, it's all going to be in your ears this, this whole week. Yeah. Beautiful. In this stage of recording, we actually don't know which order these episodes are coming

out. We're working it out. Yes. But anyway, so that's it. Iran Contra. So who's the bastard in SE CIA, Ronald Reagan, I don't know what to do. Ollie, Ollie North is my favorite guy in it just because he's such like, he's such a fucking criminal and such a bad criminal.

And it's really funny how bad he is at doing crime. Really? It really is. Yeah. Yeah. I got to give my vote to Ollie. Yeah. And then I'm like, but then I'm like, again, real ones, my real ones in this story.

I still, Gabonafar is still my favorite. Oh yeah. Now Gabonafar is the actual like coolest dude. He's the coolest dude in here. He's an absolute war criminal, but he is the coolest dude in this story of the war criminals. He's just such a little scam where it's like, you're going to just rob him again. Aren't you buddy? Yeah, you did.

You fucked him over again. Fucked him over again, bro. They're never going to catch on net and just, and just, he saw it like, he just disappears from the record. I don't know. I have no idea what I have to do. Last thing they talk about him in all the records was he cast a million dollar check. I ain't seen him a cent.

I just, at least from our records, he probably in some other records, I couldn't find no where are they now is with Gabonafar. Yeah. Why would you, no, you, you, you go right off into the sunset with all of the money that you made. Yeah. And Gene from Wisconsin's had asked, I don't know where he is either, but I still love the fact that that man did a 60 minutes episode.

We could probably find out. We could probably find out what I'm saying. I wish you the, the very best of luck, Gene. Just stay the fuck away from Nicaragua. Just don't, don't be flying no weapons in Nicaragua. Yeah. We good. We're good.

You can fly me some weapons, Gene. Dude, I would love to go visit Gene. Just be like, yo, just tell, tell, tell me some stories, bro. Like tell me what, was like, how many missions did you run? Like they don't say that. You know what I'm saying? Like, did you ever get a chance to actually kick it in Nicaragua? They're not gonna, they're not gonna say that and they ain't telling nobody that.

Hilarious. Yeah. Nope, that's about it, Robert Evans behind the bastards pod. I write. Okay. After the revolution, you can find it on a K press. You can find it on a K press. That's right, Sophie.

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it. I have a signed copy, Brad. Yes, you do. Um, uh, who else has a book? Let's think. Uh, no one. Those are the only books ever written. No, I'm just, I'm thinking of what's displayed on my bookshelf.

Oh, Jake Hanrahan. Front of the pot. Hanrahan. Has, has a book too. You can get Jake Hanrahan's book. It's called Gargoyle. Hanrahan. Yeah.

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