Behind the Bastards - CZM Rewind: Hitler's Sex Life: The Whole Sad Story

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

Original Air Date: February 26, 2019 Robert is joined by comedian Brandie Posey to discus Hitler's sex life!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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a lot of myths and a lot of bullshit that comes out about Hitler's relationships, his romantic life, all that kind of stuff. It's usually nonsense that's kind of deliberately exaggerated to try and get eyeballs on something in order to, you know, for somebody's financial bottom line. So I did a really deep dive into what we know about his actual sex life about his actual like how he was as a romantic partner, all that good stuff. And it's both very different from the story that I think people tend to get in popular media. And I think more interesting, more useful in understanding the man as a human being.

And like why he was the kind of guy that he was. So without further ado, here's how Hitler fucked a serious title that they would not let me actually use for these episodes. Ah, introduction! I'm Robert Evans, this is behind the bastards, the podcast, we tell you everything you don't know about the very worst people in all of history. With me today is Brandy Posey. Hello! How are you doing, Brandy?

I'm doing pretty great, I Excited to get into this. Brandy you are a stand-up comedian. Getting pluggables to kick off at the start here. Yeah I tore around quite a bit. You can go to brandyposey.com. Brandy with an i.e. Posey with an e-y. For all of my tour dates I also have a podcast called Lady to Lady. That is very, very fun. We've had a lot of really awesome past gats like Margaret Trowen, French Stewart. So come check that out too. Normally we work all that out ahead of time and I introduce it, but Sophie isn't here and as you can tell, like everything, everything's in nightmare.

It's okay. You have like a terror in your eyes. Oh, it's horrifying. The thought of not knowing what to do. I don't know how to do. I don't know how to do I don't know what we're gonna do add breaks. This is this is the end for all of us. Do you want me to count something down for you? No, no. Should I put on a Sophie wig of some kind who that what we'll call me or nerves properly for this recording? The only possible thing to do in the face of chaos is to just completely yield to the chaos and give up even trying to structure the show.

Perfect. Sounds great. Yeah, I think that's the plan. Okay. Explains why you're standing on the table. Great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, Brandy, yes, today we have a subject that is near and dear to no one's hearts.

But more important than I think a lot of people give it credit to. Today we're talking about how Hitler fucked. Oh, so glad you called me for this one. I'm flattered. Well, I mean, we had you want to talk about Stalin and his love of pranks and DJing and drinking more than anyone else now. And fucking Hitler feels like a prank.

Yeah, well, maybe. Or maybe not. I can't, my predictions out of the gate can can I give a prediction before I get into this? Oh, I've got very curious for that. Not a generous lover. Okay. And also, going to say this, not going to shame somebody for having a small penis because that is outside of your control, but real angry guy.

I have a feeling he probably has a little guy. The funny thing about Hitler, because Hitler's like the one person people have talked about more than any other single person in history. Yeah, of course. More's been written about him and whatnot. Everything you just talked about, the possibility at a micro-penest, the possibility he was, not a generous lover, has all been debated by like elderly scholars from Stanford and Cambridge at Link. Like that's one of the fun things about Hitler's studies, is that like that question about whether or not he had a micro penis like the CIA's weighed in. Yeah, yeah.

It's a thing. Of course. Imagine dedicating your career to that. Like mom, dad, I'm majoring in Hitler dick. Well, just Hitler studies in general. Yeah. If you're going to be into Hitler's studies, you're going to have some questions about his dick.

Yeah. pH dick. pH dick in Hitler's fucking. This is not gonna be the most adult episode in certain points, but- I'm good with that. I think you'll be surprised where it goes. I do like that in front of me on the table while recording,

we do have a product called a Purina Bizzy bone, which is just right on the table in front of me. Yeah. Speaking of of me. Yeah. Speaking of busy bones. Yes. Hitler's, it's debatable. It's all very, very heavily- Think his bone didn't get very busy?

Lazy bone? It's possible his bone got a lot busier than people give him credit for. Oh. There's a lot of debate around this topic. There's even a lot of debate about the nature of his genitals. In addition to the question that like the OSS,

the precursor to the CIA, talked a lot about whether or not he had a micro penis based on some interviews with some people. There's a hypothesis that a goat bit off his dick when he was very young, and that that was the secret of his madness that he a goat bit his dick. I want that to be true. That a lot of people did. Like, again, where's that goat statue? I mean, we don't want to celebrate that goat. It's the secret to Hitler's madness. Yeah, I mean,

that's true. That's true. Now, and we're not going to get into much of that. There's also a theory that he had one ball and there was like a song during the war. Hitler has only got one ball. has only got one ball. Goring has two but very small. Nana, na na na na na. That was like a British diddy, but there were real rumors about it. Is that where that melody comes from? No, no.

Or is that a weirdo parody about? It was, I mean, weirdo hadn't been conceived of yet. Yeah. It was a parody of that tune. Oh, yeah, it's just an easy tune to mix a song to about there's testicles. I just wanted to make tune to mix a song to about their testicles. I just wanted to make sure that wasn't like what that original song was. So it was like, how is that not a fact in my last comment?

At the point. We have interviews with a couple of different doctors who, you know, palpated Hitler's genitals because that's what doctors do. And they all say it's perfectly normal. So there's no hard evidence of that, but it has been debated a lot. And I do think it's important that people know for historical context that when bombs were raining down on London, people were comforting themselves with songs about Hitler and Garing's genitalia. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty into that for sure. It's great. It's great. Yeah, nothing cuts to the core quite like a parody song. No, it doesn't. Now, let's, let's dive deeper into this.

Let's get in there. Let's just get on in there. So as you might guess by the fact that I wasn't even holding up my notes for that whole discussion about Hitler's genitalia and the rumors about it, I am what you might call a Hitler nerd. Yeah. I've read enough biographies of the man

that I've started reading books about Hitler biographies that are essentially comparing all of the different biographies of Hitler and like biographies about writing biographies about Hitler. It's a problem. Yeah, it's not good. Do you have like a shelf in your house or do you have like a cloth in front of it?

You know, I own a couple of physical copies, but I, for the show, I get too many books. Like I just have everything I'd candle. Like I'm usually am buying sometimes two or three in a week, like, it's just take too long. It's better to have that all digital. Well, although I think if you were to actually see the titles laid out in front of you physically,

you'd be like, oh. There's things that would be nicer, but I think it would take a lot longer to put together episodes. Fair, okay cool. But the point of this is that I tend to be on the cutting edge of new Hitler research in terms of like, what I'm reading. I'm not doing new Hitler research, but I say a little bit.

I, that's what. So speaking of that a couple of days ago, I was actively looking for New Hitler facts to just see if any had come out in the last couple of months since I checked that. And I came across an article in the independent called Hitler was a sexually confused serial killer, psychologist claims in new book. So that's quite a claim. So I think you can also probably just say serial killer because I think most serial killers have got, you know, their wires crossed.

Yeah, I mean, it's interesting the term confused for serial killer because I wonder if like a guy like Ted Bundy probably wouldn't be like No, I wasn't confused. I just this is what I wanted to do. Yeah Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, the confusion came from wherever the wiring crossed in the first place Yeah, he's very matter of fact about yeah, and the book that apparently makes these claims is titled Hitler one and Hitler two the sexual No man's land it's by a best-selling German author and psychiatrist named Volker Ellis Pilgrim Uh, and is that like a new like that's a very dark cat in the hat Man's Land. It's by a best-selling German author and psychiatrist named Voker Ellis Pilgrim.

And is that like a new, like that's a very dark cat in the hat. Hitler won and Hitler too. Yeah. The cat in the hat go and they just. Hitler won and Hitler too. Yeah. We can do anything, anything. Oh no. I'm doing the sun and red. It's a white supremacist parody right there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some, some Nazi listening in is already hard at work on that. Not the Dr. Sus version. I haven't gotten to read that book because it's only in German and I do not read German, which is almost the title of a great podcast. There's podcast called I Don't Speak German about the alt, right?

The people should listen to if they want. It's kind of like my show, but I'll way more focused on that one. There are group of people, great podcasts. Anyway, I don't read German. Yeah, I don't read German podcasts. It's called, I don't speak German. Cool. Anyway, I couldn't find the book, but I did find some claims that are in the book in this article. Hitler was a, at all Hitler was a sexually confused serial killer whose

violence was driven by lust in his new book. Mr. Volker claims the Nazi leader had an orgasm while watching a film in which Austrian soldiers massacred French troops. Now, this kind of story is a treat for me because I've never heard of this particular Hitler story before. I'm always, I'm always looking out for some new, uh, some new H facts. So, quote, he quotes Mary-Anne Hoppe, an actress who was in acquaintance of Hitler describing a time that she went to the cinema in the dictator's Berlin palace to watch a film called The Rebel. It featured Austrian troops hurling boulders from a mountain onto the French below.

Hitler got some kind of thrill and rubbed his knees at this event as the stones rolled down on the French and groaned. I don't know if he was crazy, but he got some kind of orgasm, she said. I wanted to leave during the show. The man was creepy. Yeah, that's, people gave Peewee Herman a hard time. People gave Peewee Herman a hard time. You know, Hitler and,

and, Inversized, yeah, if you compare the two, Peewee should get the statue. I feel like Peewee should have just been left to masturbate in that theater, but. That's what that theater was for. It's what that theater was was for it's not like he was showing up at the center mark To like it's showing of Anyway, yeah, yeah, I've been unable to yeah find an English translation

But in this article mr Which apparently talked to the author pilgrim talks about how he suspects there's a connection between sexuality and violence and Hitler and that his Sexual excitement at the thought of violence gave him the desire to force men into killing. He says, however, since this lust for killing is the decisive feature of serial killers, the question inevitably arises. Was Hitler a serial killer who murdered for the purpose of his gratification? Hitler's sexuality, I believe, drove the dictator into the most colossal annihilation

that man has witnessed. Now that's this guy's claims. And interesting premise, okay. Interesting premise. I can see why a lot of people would want to believe that. Yeah. Mr. Pilgrim also speculates but Hitler's sex life, claiming he abstained from sexual relations

with his mistress and then wife, Eva Brown. Now, this all sounds, I think, to a lot of people, they might read this and be like, okay, well, this seems, you know, of course, he was crazy. Maybe that makes him, he was just a serial killer who wound up in charge of a country. Yeah. I get why people would want to believe that. I think what most people looking at that wouldn't dig into is kind of where the guy is basing

his claims on. And most of them come from a dude called Ernst Hanth Stangle. Other nickname was Putsy. And Ernst was a classic Putsy. Classic Putsy. And Ernst was a classic Putsy. Classic Putsy. Ernst was a friend of Hitler's back in the day, who then started hating him. And I'm sure they happened with a lot of Hitler's friends. That happened. We're not great at keeping friends. Not super good at friends. I'll be like, Oh God, we just have to answer, keep answering this call. I think that might surprise a lot of people. Not a good friend.

Yeah. Not a dictators in general. Not great friends. No, not so much. Not great friends. They just take and they take and they take. They take and they take and they take. Some of them are fun to drink with. Yeah. Once or twice. Yeah.

Like if I could go back in time and just see Stalin and all of his buddies, how drunk they go. Of course I would wanna try. I wouldn't wanna be drunk around Hitler. No. But Hitler didn't get drunk. He was a T-totler, right?

He was a T-totler. Yeah, yeah. I mean he was on meth a lot, but that was a doctor giving it to him. Yeah. So he thought that he was being medicated. He thought that and that was, you know, we talk about that and there's a great book called Blitz about that. I'm sure we'll talk about it someday, but like that was mostly later in the war. Like during his rise to power, he's sober. Like every now and then you'll hear a story of him drinking like part of a glass of champagne, but he was like, yeah, yeah. and you'll hear a story of him drinking like part of a glass of champagne, but he was like, yeah, yeah, which is, you know, control freaks and whatnot.

So I get the desire to like, psychoanalyze Hitler, but going to Hempstangle for like advice, because Hempstangle has a long time been claiming that Hitler was basically a neuter, was like, couldn't get off, could have had like no sexual life. Yeah. Well, and that is a thing with a lot of serial killers where like they just can't come until they find the thing that makes them. Right. Yeah, and if you think of Hitler as a serial killer, a lot of this stuff makes sense.

But I think what most people don't realize when they hear stories like this, about every year or two, there will be a new rash of Hitler's sex life stories that will hit like kind of shadier but not entirely bullshit outlets and stuff and then every now and then someone like the New York will give it a write-up or whatnot. None of this is new in the field of hitlerology. And in fact like all of these claims, any claim that you like read about and like a modern paper about like Hitler, like you to poop on people or the possibility that it was Hitler was gay, all that stuff was kicking around in the 1930s. Yeah. So, there's a lot of myths around this guy. And so, what I want to kind of do today is first give kind of an overview of the myths that people are still telling about Hitler, and kind of the latest couple of waves of this, and then we're going to do a really deep dive into his whole sexual history, his relationships,

everything that there is about him in like reputable scholarship. So if you, if you and Hitler matched on Tinder and you wanted to Google him to find out what was really going on, this would be the episode to listen to. This would be the episode to listen to. And spoiler alert, don't date Hitler. No, don't date Hitler. No, don't, probably not No. Don't date Hitler. No, don't, probably not gonna go well.

Yeah, so back in like March of 2016, I came across an article in the Daily Star with a title, Adolf Hitler was gay and loved teenage boys, CIA files claim. There was also a New York Post article around the same time with the title, Adolf Hitler had a truly disgusting sexual fetish. It's equally emblematic of like those types of articles. Yeah.

These were all like spring of 2016 wave articles and they were all based on Adossier, the OSS, which is like a precursor to the CIA put together. Quote from Vanure Post, the Nazi leader's bedroom habits included a love of pusex claims Adossier from the office of yeah, so which is what shit not up like when he the poo not dressing up like when he the poop and looking for hunting yeah the intelligent document says that he liked women to stand over him and defecate because he was turned on by poo this is the New York Post keeps you in the word poo instead of feces yeah just doesn't seem like great journalism it also revealed the fear had a micro penis and as the famous song

suggests only one testicle yeah also revealed he liked to be brutally kicked by women as part of his sex games so again this is always presented whenever it comes and as the famous song suggests, only one testicle. It also revealed he liked to be brutally kicked by women as part of his sex games. So, again, this is always presented whenever it comes up in the media is new. This is all older than your grandparents. Yeah, that's been around forever. This has been around forever.

Yeah, for sure. This is. Yeah. So, the root of most of the salacious Hitler fuck myths is that infamous OSS report titled The Mind of Adolf Hitler. It was compiled by a doctor named Langer and it was initially a secret thing that was like written up as a brief for FDR at the start of World War II. It's based on a lot of interviews and original documents and the source book behind the paper which is like all of the raw sources

that they compiled to write this is a gold mine of info. But we should be really critical about the dossier itself. It has to be taken with as much salt as you prescribe something written by a psychologist in the 1940s because it's filled with really debatable conclusions based on bad psychoanalytic theory. I'm going to read you one excerpt where Dr. Langer tries to explain why Hitler always carried around a whip as a young man. Quote, anyone who has ever seen Hitler talking in a bashful and pure eye away to a woman would easily be led to believe that in marriage he would be the underdog, but that is manifestly wrong.

It would seem that the Whip plays some mysterious role in his relationship to women. In Dr. Sedgwick's opinion during the almost 15 years of association with Hitler, the Whip with which Hitler loves to gesticulate figures as a kind of substitute or auxiliary symbol for his missing sexual potency. All this wielding of the Whip seems to be connected with a hidden desire. On the part of Hitler for some state of erection which would overcome his fundamental sexual inferiority complex, the truth is that Hitler is in all probability still in the stage of puberty and still in the essential meaning of the word, a virgin.

I want to take that guy to a renfest. Just take a look around What do you think is going on here? And when he references Dr. Sedgwick that's Hanse stangle Yeah, okay. He's this is again all based on that guy a lot of this is based on that guy stuff But like he thought it was definitely not a virgin in 1942 No, no, no, no for sure How old was he when he went into world war one? You know, because he was in the trenches the whole time. Yeah, yeah.

I got you. So probably not even a virgin at that point. That's debatable. We'll get into that a little bit. So just as we kind of criticize that, whips were really common among German fascists to be used as weapons and street fights at this time and Hitler used his whip in street fights a lot. He also used it to flirt with girls a lot, so we'll talk about that some.

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And it worked for that purpose. And give anti-file all the whips now. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they take a lot of training. But yeah, yeah. I like Indiana Jones We're claiming the whip for the not fascist side of things appreciate that I never heard the Hitler whip thing He did Hitler loved whips. You're gonna be hearing a lot about Hitler's whip today. Okay, yeah

So anyway because of all of this misinformation because of all of these like conclusions that people still try to out based on like 1940s cycle analytic theory. Yeah. I have gone through two different Hitler biographies. The ones I consider probably the two best John Totland's and Ian Kershaw's as well as a great book called explaining Hitler that's like a synthesis of a bunch of different biographies. And I've tried to present what I think is the most complete picture of the verifiable facts of Hitler's sex life. So, okay.

Anyway, if we're going to understand how Hitler fucked and how people talk about how Hitler fucked, we have to start with Hitler's sexual prehistory. What we know about how his dad fucked. Oh, great. To be more precise, who his dad fucked. Oh. So, well his mom at least.

Definitely his mom, definitely his mom. That's a given. At least twice, right? Because he had a sister, you know, a resistor or something, right? Yeah, I think she was a half sister. You know, I don't remember that off the top of my head. His genealogy is very complicated. Yeah.

So there was a younger, there was a girl in a room in his house growing up. Yeah, Paula Hitler, he had a sister. And he actually like one of the nice things Hitler did in his life is that as a younger man, gave her his uh his inheritance. Okay. And like wound up kind of on the street as a result of that because she had a kid and stuff. Got it. Okay. So one thing we leave out a lot when we talk about Hitler's rise to power is the army of crusading journalists who thought a desperate battle to stop him from taking control. They failed

obviously and a lot of them died but for a while their investigation scared Hitler. More than anything He was frightened that his family history would be exposed when he learned about one of the first of these investigations He allegedly told a party member people must not know who I am. They must not know where I come from Now there are a lot of different rumors as to why the most salacious rumors that Hitler secretly had a Jewish background We don't know for certain who his father's father was. His grandmother, Maria Schickle-Groober, was a 42-year-old unmarried serving woman when she gave birth to his father, Alois, in 1836.

Some legends say a wealthy Jewish man or a nobleman impregnated her. We don't know. The church she was baptized in and the entire town where she was born, Dollar Shime, was obliterated by German artillery, probably on Hitler's orders in order to conceal his background, which is serious warlord move right there.

I'll give it to you. I raised the Shikol grovers. Yeah, yeah, get rid of that shit. Yeah. Bram on. One of those things, one of those few places you'll catch like a lot of really serious historian speculating is like, what did have even been possible for a guy

with the last name Sh Shikkel Gruber, to have done the things that a Hitler did? Because it was kind of like chance that he went out up with the last name, Hitler. Like his dad adopted it from another guy who probably wasn't his dad. It's a messy case. Heidler was the original name

and then they changed it to Hitler. I see. And I have trouble imagining Hylshikkel Gruber. No, no, no. Because people keep stumbling over it. Yeah. Schickle-Groober? It'd be like if Google had had, if their name had been like,

question-ask. Yeah, exactly. You just probably wouldn't have worked as well. No, no, no, definitely would not. Yeah. So historians debate over the exact nature of the genealogy further back than Hit Hitler's dad. But the odd...

But the odd was a bastard. We have that at least. Maybe. We don't even know that much. All of this is still debated. The odds that Hitler was ashamed of a secret Jewish person in his past though are lower than the odds that he was just worried people would find out his dad was gross. Aloys Hitler was a mid-level customs official in Brownow, Austria. He'd been respected in the local community,

but his middle management image belied the reality of a man who repeatedly married children. Aloys is sweet. Cool. Cool. Sweet. There it is. I was wondering when Teta Phil's were going

to be a part of the story. They will be a part of this story all the way through. Well, how am I not surprised by that? Great. Not to use a gross sexual st- Wow, yeah. Everybody focuses on the possibility that there was pusex, the stuff that we know

is so much grosser than pooping. Like that's whatever. People who are perfectly fine can enjoy that sort of thing. Yeah, exactly. What we're talking about with Hitler and his dad, both cases, fucked up objectively. Yeah, you can have consensual pusex. There's nothing matter with that.

It's whatever. Just clean your own sheets. Clean your own sheets, or pay your cleaning lady incredibly well. Yes, exactly. I'm sure there's some people who take that job. So Alois's first wife was much, much older than him, and she died after a few years of marriage. Some of the rumors are that he married her for her money, which whatever. While Alois was married, but while his first wife was sick, he moved a 16-year-old

girl into their home to be his serving-made. This girl, Clara, was his niece. Now, cool! Now, John Toland, who's one of the pre-manent Hitler biographers of all times, says that Clara was hot, quote, with abundant dark hair. He claims that she was, quote, installed with the hitlers at an end where Aloys was already carrying on an affair with the kitchen maid, Francisco. So when Aloys' first wife is alive, he's got this 16-year-old niece who he's hitting on, and also this like 17-year-old kitchen maid he's hitting on, and also this 17-year-old kitchen-made named Francisco, both of whom he's starting up a thing with while his first wife is

alive and dying. So when his first wife died, Aloys got her money and married Francisco. I'm going to quote now from the fantastic book, Explaining Hitler. After his first wife died, developments in the Aloys Hitler household began to take on the appearance of a maimed French farce. After a period of living congegly but without the benefit of clergy and with the kitchen made, while simultaneously enjoying the services of the even younger maid and niece Clara, he married the older one.

Well, good for him. Good for him, picking that 17-year-old, not the 16-year-old, I guess. How does he at this point? He is in his 40s Now according to John Toland Francisco was quote only to aware of how tempting a pretty made could be to the Suspcess to the susceptible Alois After the wedding the first thing she did was get rid of Clara Luckily for Alois his second wife soon died allowing him to finally realize his true dream of marrying his teenage niece

Do you know how how did Francesca? It was cancer. It was. A lot of cancer in the Hitler family tree. He was kind of scared about his whole life. Not enough. Not enough. Not enough. Cancer among the Hitler's.

Some juvenile leukemia would have really dealt with some problems for the world. We've been pretty great. Not often I stand for juvenile leukemia, but for Hitler? Get up in them bones. Get up in them bones. Take it out.

Oh, so the only thing getting in the way of Aloys Hitler and his true love with his teenage niece was the fact that they were very close relatives. They officially share the same grand uncle, Johan Jorg Heidler. Now even in the late 1800s, marrying your teenage niece was sort of frowned upon. Yeah, I could see that. This is not one of those things where, no, it was normal at the time.

Everybody's marrying their 16 year old, serving girl niece. No, I always had to get special dispensation from the Pope to marry and continue fucking his niece. He wanted to fuck his niece so bad, he got papal approval. Oh my God. That's Hitler's dad.

Oh. Just deer Pope. Deer Pope? I got my niece. You got to see this girl. Yeah, let me send you a couple of pictures. I drew some crouture sticker. Yeah, just because you chose to be celibate

doesn't mean I need to be a celibate. And I'd like to break that with a child. With a child related to. Related to and kind of morally responsible to. Can I give a thumb? Can I get a thumbs up? Yeah, thumbs up, thumbs down. What's Catholicism say?

And the Pope just said go for it? Go for it. Yeah, Hitler's dad had official papal permission to fuck his niece. All popes are great. All popes are great. All popes are great. All popes are great.

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there were a lot. I assume there was talk. I assume people were like this kind of fucked up, right? Yeah, but I feel so bad about fucking my niece, child. Well, I don't like he did, but I'm going to guess people in town. Yeah. And there were some like, but you know, those people all died of typhus, you know, so we don't know what they were talking about. Not enough typhus.

Not enough. Just give her it all to monsterians. Just give her all to monsterians. Just give her all to monsterians. OK. So to make things even creepier, according to Ron Rosenbaum's explaining Hitler quote, even after the Vatican granted the dispensation, Clara continued to call her new husband what she called him when she was still his maid mistress, Uncle.

So Hitler's mom called his dad uncle the whole time Hitler was a kid. That's worse than when parents call each other mother and father. Yeah, that's grosser than that's like Mike Pence shit on another level. Yeah. Yeah. My uncle. Yeah, that's grosser than such. That's like Mike Pence shit on another level. Yeah. Oh, my uncle. Yeah, it's gross. It's really gross. It's really fucking nasty.

Yeah. This is the relationship Adolf Hitler was born into. So I'm not gonna say in fairness to Hitler because you don't give Hitler credit for anything because he's Hitler. Yeah. But as a baby, that's a rough situation to land in. Yeah. Yeah. Also, this is some classic Uncle Bullshit. Yeah, but as a baby that's a rough situation to land. Yeah. Yeah. Also, this is some classic Uncle Bullshit. Yeah. You always got a good uncle in a bad uncle. When you got a bad uncle,

it's nothing worse than a bad uncle. Hitler's dad was like the platonic ideal of a bad uncle. Like the uncle that everyone's like, can he not come to face him? Can we not have him around? Please just cut that uncle out of everything. Whoa. Okay, so Hitler's dad marries two women that Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw describes as young enough to be his children. As a dad, he's remembered generally as a strict authoritarian figure.

But most people who knew the family when his dad was alive say that Alois wasn't particularly violent or bad by the standards of the time towards his kid or his wife. We would probably almost certainly call the discipline that Hitler endured child abuse today, but it was not out of the norm for the area. And most of the boys in Austria who grew up around Hitler didn't grow up to be Hitler. So you don't want to put too much influence on the fact that his dad was an authoritarian, but a lot of the boys around Hitler did grow up to be Nazis. So let's not discount the impact of the authoritarian parenting item. Yeah, yeah.

But it's probably not what we're looking for for looking for the whole reason Hitler went all crazy. The fact that his dad hit him sometimes. Yeah, exactly. That's not going to be... that doesn't... that's a real A to Z. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You're leaving out some stuff if you drop it down to that. Yeah. My uncle father. My uncle father. My uncle daddy. My uncle father. My uncle daddy.

My uncle daddy. Oh, Jesus. Oh, Hitler. So we're gonna dig into Hitler as a young man in his early love affairs. Great. And spoilers, there is creepy as everything else in this podcast is gonna be.

I'm not surprised. If you thought Hitler the dad was bad. No, yeah, there's no way like Hitler ate off as like a Lothario coming from this place at all. No, what's surprising is how much like Elliot Roger he is. Oh, I'm not surprised by that. Oh fucking horsey is. It's like fucking losers.

It's fucking losers. Oh god, of course. That is the overwhelming thing that you say to yourself when you get into some real deep study of the Nazis. Is these fucking losers? Oh, you can say. It's fucking losers. You know who's not losers though, Brandy?

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You know what Nazis didn't like? Possibilities. Of course not. But that's what you get with products and services, as possibilities. Yes. A lot of good economic discourse coming out of this episode. We should write a book. Let's write another Hitler book.

There aren't enough of that. There should be a couple more Hitler books. Okay. So, most of our... What would Hitler think about square space? Yeah, but what would Hitler think about square space? I don't like the free speech of the internet. I hate to say this because it's what I do to make my living, but Hitler would a thousand percent be a podcaster if you were around the day.

He absolutely. I mean, he like wrote it linked about how the best way, the only real way to convince anyone of anything was with the human voice. Yeah. And like the power of like radio to isolate someone with a voice and to really influence their thought, which is one of the things that scares me about the podcast era, but we're getting. Yeah. That's a whole.

The whole separate conversation. Yeah, he would be like a Alex Jones type, but like with me about the podcast era, but we're getting the weeds. That's a whole separate conversation. Yeah, he would be like a Alex Jones type, but like with his own show. Yeah, but like, yeah, he would be a lot more popular than Alex Jones. Yeah, he would. Because I don't think Alex has a problem saying the Quiet Parts loud and Hitler was up until the point where he took power usually pretty good about quietly saying the loud parts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, that's way one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So most of our evidence for young Hitler's early love affairs comes from a dude named August Kubizek. Now, Kubizek is a heavily debated figure amongst Hitler scholars. He wrote a book about his childhood with Hitler after the war.

It apparently started during the Third Reich as a pro-Hitler like Nazi biography. And then after the war, he was like, well, I mean, I've already got this stuff down. People are going to want to know what Hitler was like as a kid. So I'm going to write this book. Some of what he says is definitely either a lie or stretching the truth. There's a lot of debate over how much to trust him. But it's also incontrovertible that he grew up with Hitler.

That he was Hitler's really only friend as a kid and that they lived together. They were essentially like freshman college roommates in the big city. So he, no one else has this perspective. So Kubasex book is an irreplaceable source for the early years of Hitler's life. You can't under, you have to be critically read him, you have to read him. I've read Kubasex book, of course, and it's really interesting if you do take it. Well, I would recommend reading like a John Tolem d'Orany in Kershaw biography first and then go into Kubasex. So you've got some sort of context for it. I'm going to be quoting from all three of

these sources in the next little bit here because it provides a good synthesis. And I trust those guys to separate probable truth from probable lie better than I trust myself because they're elderly Hitler scholars. And I'm just a Hitler nerd. Anyway, perfect. Kuba Zechro calls exactly one romantic focus for Hitler in his young years, a grown-named Stephanie who lived in Lins. That was the small town that he grew up in.

Now, Hitler was madly in love with Stephanie, and we have no evidence that she ever knew anything about him. In fact, later in life, after the war, when she was told that Adolf Hitler had been in love with her, she was shocked and horrified, which is, it's a dick move to tell me what that. Yeah. Oh man, what a bummer. That's, because you're just like, am I responsible for you?

You get through this horrible war, she was in Austria, she saw some shit, it would have been a nightmare for anyone living in that region. You get through this horrible war, and then years later, someone's like, by the way, Hitler wanted to fuck you what would you ever tell anybody that process that baby Hitler pop and boners to you don't tell her that yeah because then that just makes you just rethink

everything about is this my fault no Stephanie you didn't you didn't do anything wrong I mean you've been dead for decades, but you seem fine. You're listening somewhere. We get a medium, you should be doing this podcast with a medium to contact some of these people and be like, hey, it's okay. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fine. Yeah, that's actually similar to another podcast idea I have,

which is using a medium to sexually harass dead bastards. I really just wanna like see how uncomfortable I can make Chairman Mao. Oh yeah. Yeah, like really, really get in there and like lock his ghost in a room. Yeah. Yeah, see where it goes.

I am 100% on board for that. I think we all are. Absolutely. So if you want us to. Okay. So Hitler was in love with this girl who knew nothing about him. He became convinced, and these are this while they're in elementary school, essentially,

like early high school era, that kind of thing. He's a teenager, young teenager. So during this kid, I know that's... Oh yeah. I was in marching band, I had one of these kids. And exactly what this is. I don't know if there's a woman I've met who didn't have one of these kids in their life. That's one of the...

Yeah, anyway. So Hitler became convinced that Stephanie was sending him secret signals. know if there's a woman I've met who didn't have one of these kids in their life. That's one of the skis. Yeah. Anyway. Hitler became convinced that Stephanie was sending him secret signals and the message is only he could see. He would. Yeah. Yeah. They were destined to be together.

He would rant about all this to Kubizek. And Kubizek claims he was pretty like questioning of all this stuff to Hitler, but like only to an extent. Kubizek did try to convince Hitler that if he needed to at least talk to this girl, if there's going to be any hope of her liking him. At the very least, he suggested that Hitler should learn to dance because he knew that Stephanie liked dancing, which is like solid advice. Like, okay, get interested in something that's girl's interested in.

That's similar interests. Have a similar interest. Pretty solid advice today. So here's Kubizek, quote, all this is no good Adolf, I replied, Stephanie is fond of dancing. If you want to conquer her, you will have to dance around just as aimlessly and idiotically as the others.

That was all that was needed to set him off raving. No, no, never, he screamed at me. I shall never dance. Do you understand? Stephanie only dances because she is forced to by society on which she unfortunately depends. Once she is my wife, she won't have the slightest desire to dance

That is and kubas x books a generally pretty pro Hitler book Yeah, not pro the stuff Hitler did is like he's obviously against the third Reich But like he presents a sympathetic view of Hitler and this is how he describes it. Wow What a I mean what a little maniac I just need a for source for the word loser. It's truly insane like no I'll never dance she'll stop dancing She'll stop dancing too. Oh, she's not even dancing because she wants to Society It sounds like a reddit post

I totally sounds like I read it But he'd be top dog read it. He would be love reddit. He would be so addicted to slash pole Like he would he would never get off of that fucking shit He'd be an 8-chan like he'd be deep into this shit I'm not gonna learn to dance never I shall never dance ain't all Hitler There's your fucking t-shirt guilty feetilty feet and got no rhythm. Oh, shit. Yeah. Nice.

Oh, boy. Oh, what are the good songs? They always get it right. So, I'm not exactly about Hitler. It is about, all music is about Hitler one way or the other. Yep, it's my theory. We'll talk about Totos Africa. It's a stretch, but I'll get you there.

Now, I got a diagram. I got a diagram. It's about the desert fox. And yet, now, obviously, waiting around and being an insane person did not woo Stephanie. Gradually, Hitler started to realize that she wasn't going to fault him. According to KubaZek, Hitler reacted like you'd expect

a modern day in-seltary act with threats of violence. Of course. Stéphony was at that time in an unfriendly mood. She would pass the, basically, nearby road with her face averted as though Hitler did not exist at all. This bought him to the verge of despair. I can't stand it any longer, he exclaimed. I will make an end of it. It was the first, and as far as I know, the last time that Adolf contemplated suicide seriously.

It was not. He would jump into the river from the Danu bridge, he told me, and then it would be over and done with. But Stephanie would have to die with him. He insisted on that. Once more a plan was thought up, in all its details, every single phase of the horrifying tragedy was minutely described, including the part I would have to play. Even my conduct, as the sole survivor was ordained, the somber scene was with me even in my dreams Young Hitler God just the most emo little shit

Kill himself in a girl it doesn't know him Oh god, like had he even talked to her at this point? No as far as we know then he never said a word to her Oh my god I just You can hate him more, but you can... You find new depths of hate. You find new depths of, yeah, like... Yeah.

Oh, Hitler. I was like, oh, here's a new cavity of hate I haven't filled for you. I didn't expect this. God, I'm fucking the loser. You fucking loser. So, I... We know that he's a loser, and then that's just like... From this age, too, you're like, oh god, just go to a toast master's class or something

You piece of shit. This is part why I get all frustrated when people are like he was a sexual serial killer And that's why no dude. He was just a lame ass dude. He's for sure like an in-cell MRA. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, I'm I am old I am old this woman and she doesn't deserve to live if she doesn't like me Even though I've never even talked to her. Did her parents together his entire life? His dad died when he was in his teens and his mom died not all that. I mean, his dad died when he was pretty young

and his mom died also when he was pretty young. Like he had an adult. So I don't think he had. His dad was pretty authoritarian, but once his dad kicked off, it was kind of just his mom. And she was sort of, he was a mama's boy. She was sort of a doding mom. Was that Clara?

Yeah, Clara Hitler. Clara Hitler. Yeah. Yeah. Hitler, Adolf Hitler's mom was Clara. Okay. Okay. I see. Gotcha. Yeah. So it's he's born in incest and then yeah. His dad dies and then he's raised away. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So outside of his obsession with Stephanie, Kubasek says he doesn't know of any individual women in Hitler's life in this period. Certainly no one he might have fucked. When they became young adults and moved to the end of together, Hitler remained unlate. Here's John Tolin's coverage of Kubasek's recollection. Quote.

On promenades, girls and women would often slightly glance at them. At first, Kubasek thought their interest was directed to him, but it soon became apparent that the reserved Adolf was the object. He coldly ignored their silent invitations. If the two did nothing about sex, they spent hours at night discussing women, love, and marriage, with Adolf as usual dominating the conversation. Over and over, he insisted that he must keep the flame of life pure. That is, he believed, in accordance with his Catholic upbringing, a man and a woman should keep themselves chased in body and soul until marriage, and just thus be worthy of producing healthy children for the nation. But the dark side of sex also haunted him, and he talked by the hour about depraved sexual

customs. He railed against prostitution, condemning not only the horrors in their customers, but society. His condemnation approached obsession in one night after attending a performance of wetacan spring awakening. He took Gustal's arm and said, we must see the sink of Iniquity once. They turned down a small dark alley. It was the Spitalberg Gassa, and walked past a row of small hostels, so brightly lit that

they could see the girls inside. In their scanty and sluvantly attire, they sat there, recalled Kubizek, making up their faces and combing their hair and looking at themselves in the mirror, without however, for one moment losing sight of the men strolling by. Occasionally a man would stop in front of a house, converse with a girl, and the light would go out. When the two youths reached the end of the alley, Adolf maneuvered them in an about face,

and they took another long look at the appalding sight. Back in their room, Adolf went into a lengthy tirade on the evils of prostitution, with, quote, a cold objectivity as though it were a question of his attitude towards the fight against tuberculosis, or towards cremation. Wow. So this is young Hitler towards cremation. Wow. So, this is young Hitler, uh, celibate, angry about other people not being celibate and, uh, a real thought audit level hatred of sex workers.

He is... Galen's have come in his sleep at this point in his life. I mean, every fucking night What up? What a shitty little his his socks shatter when they're dropped Seriously, I cannot imagine like how many fucking wet dreams does dude Oh, it's and they're all about the stuff that he says is terrible Yeah, that's why you rant about this for hours to your best friend You're like concealing an erection as he yells about prostitution

I'm not a camp only this prostitute or just yeah out there trying to make a living of any kind in this world again We all knew a Hitler oh yeah, we've all known this kid. Oh god. No, absolutely God yeah, yeah, it's like the one that he's like that's like one of the names that you text the other people You went to high school with that you just laugh about when you hear their name. Remember that guy? Oh fuck yeah. That's really easy. Yeah, oh that guy, yeah.

Ugh, you little. So Hitler's mom died right before this point of a really, really horrifying cancer. And then he went up and went with Kuba's equities where that happened. They lived together for a while, but Kuba's equities successful, like he was a really good musician, and Hitler didn't get in the art school. That's a pretty famous story. He eventually ran out of money and wound up living in a men's home,

which was essentially like a homeless shelter for vagrants. According to Ian Kershaw, being homeless did not improve Hitler's game. Yeah, I can't imagine that it would. No. Quote. Do you mean fair, a home wouldn't have improved his game? I think it seems like he was kind of hopeless either way.

Yeah, I don't know if I'd ever have to fight their way. What else? Yeah. Quote, when his circle of acquaintances got around to discussing women and doubtless their own former girlfriends and sexual experiences, the best Hitler could come up with was a veil reference to Stephanie, who had been his first love,

though she never knew it because he never told her. The impression left with Reinhold Hanish was that Hitler had very little respect for the female sex, but very austere ideas about relations between men and women. Hannish recalled Hitler telling him of a brief encounter with a milkmaid while he was still at school, ending abruptly when she made advances and he ran away, knocking over a churn of milk in his haste. This was probably a lie by Hitler. Hitler described his own ideal woman as, cuddle is cute cuddly naive little thing tender sweet and stupid

Cool cool That's great Baby Yeah, it runs in his blood does running his blood. Yeah, oh god. It's gonna be weird how much it runs in his blood. But first, we're back. Okay. So Hitler also claimed during this period that women would inherently quote, rather bow to a strong man than dominate a weakling. Even for the time, young Hitler was seen as a bit of a prude. This man, he didn't fit in super well in turn of the century.

Vienna, where erotic art was in vogue and people were starting to do the 1909 version of opening up a little bit. Well, it's because he's just like pop and boners all over the place. He just pop and everyone could see him. His leader, Hosens, just like a fucking arrow. Yeah, no. He's just like constantly just like a very sweaty

and pink with a giant boner. He's just an angry, erect terrible artist, screaming at everybody and talking about how it's bad to come. Like, he's just like, he can hit Larry. Oh God. You nerd. So one of the things that was happening in being at this time, the turn of the century, is that rules about women's modesty had started to change, and women were allowed to.

I mean, we're not talking like woke by our standards, but things are improving. Yeah, yeah. You know, things are improving, and some women are pushing the envelope, both professionally and in just how they present themselves to the world. Young Hitler did not like that. Of course. Here's excerpt from Kershaw's book again. Quote, where a decency demanded that women were scarcely

allowed to even show an ankle, Hitler's embarrassment and the rapidity with which he fled with his friend when a prospective landlady during a search for a room for Kubasek let her silk dressing gown fall open to reveal that she was wearing nothing but a pair of knickers. But his prudishness went far beyond this. It amounted according to Kubasek's account to a deep disgust and repugnance at sexual activity.

Hitler avoided contact with women, meeting with cold and difference during visits to the opera alleged attempts by young women, probably seeing him as something of an oddity, to flirt with or tease him. He was repelled by homosexuality. He refrained from masturbation, prostitution horrified, but fascinated him. He associated it with venereal disease, which petrified him. So It is again hard to say how much of Kubiz ex-account is true. If Hitler was

Originally super anti-gay, for example, he definitely got over that shit by the time he was out of the army. Ernst Rome, the head of the Brown shirts Was a flamboyantly gay man who was flagrant about his love life. Hitler did eventually kill Rome But only after he was in power and some accounts say he resisted doing so for a very long time and expressed angst over the decision. Basically Rome wanted to replace the German army with the brown shirts, and that's why Hitler had to get rid of him. And there was definitely like, he was willing to kill him because he was gay and he was seen as like a liability. But Hitler wasn't inherently against the idea of working with like, he seems like he moderated on that

as during his time in the army, at least from like a, one point of view or another. There's debate about how much. But one thing that didn't change from Kuba's ex-memory of him was Hitler's obsession with veneerial disease. The subject came up frequently in mind camp and in Hitler's early speeches, he generally would compare the Jewish refugees

immigrating to the country is like a form of Venerable disease and There was a lot of anti-Semitic claims that Jewish prostitutes were spreading typhus and there's actually a rumor that Hitler himself got syphilis from a prostitute sometime and like when he was a young adult Some in visa-thal the famed Nazi hunter went to his grave believing this even though there's no good evidence about it There's a lot of weird questions as to why people is someone like Viesenthal who's a Holocaust however himself would be so much like into wanting to believe this. I mean I get that though. Yeah. You kind of want to like a reason. Andy had syphilis. It's also there's like some weird a lot of the attempts to explain Hitler

kind of come across as blaming a single Jewish person for his hatred of Jewish people, which is really problematic. Yeah, that's an issue. Yeah. Yeah. Kubizek for his part always claimed that Hitler was to the best of his knowledge, a normal dude sexually, not homosexual, not into anything weird, just like kind of a sexually frustrated young man. Kubizek was so emphatic about that because by the 1950s, when he was working on his book, there were numerous rumors that Hitler had been gay. This conspiracy theory is best embodied by the book, The Pink Swastika, from 1995. That book was a major source for a recent deniche de Soza documentary, where it deniche claims that Democrats are the modern Nazis, and that gay people are Nazis, and Hitler was gay

as a regular headline and far-right publications. I found one on Breitbart from 2016 that just said, new evidence from his doctors shows Hitler was gay. Obviously it's not new evidence. It's just it's the old OSS reports that suggested Hitler was homosexual. In the OSS document, Dr. Langer wrote, quote, his sex life is as dualist political outlock. He is both a homosexual and heterosexual, both socialist and fervent nationalist, both man and woman.

Again, that's just like, cycle and I like bullshit. There's no evidence that he was homosexual. He was okay with working with gay men. Yeah. But like, there was no evidence beyond that. It's like, yeah. One of the things that's interesting to me is when you read a lot of like the old 1930s and late 20s news articles criticizing Hitler,

a lot of these like 1920s German journalists, some of whom are conservative when they're talking about like homosexuality with the Nazi party, go out of their way to not condemn homosexuality, to just be like that we're condemning the Nazis because their attitudes on homosexuality are so negative, but they have all these gay members, which is more nuanced than I expected out of like 1920s journalists in Germany. That's very interesting. Well, it does make a lot of sense though, because it's like, I mean, coming after World War I,

you're in the trenches with men and you need some kind of comfort to get to the point. It's probably a lot of dudes, fucking in World War I, sure. Yeah, just to feel like you're a person and not just part of a meat grinder. Yeah. So it's like, I'm sure that definitely, you know.

It was part of why attitudes started to open up right until the Nazis claimed them shut again. Yeah, exactly. Now, just so we covered the basics of Hitler's life here, Hitler served in World War One, obviously. He was at the front, basically the entire war. There are rumors as we covered in our children of dictators episode that he fathered a son

with a French woman during this time This is very much doubted by historians Kind of thing you can't 100% debunk But for what it's worth the son of the guy who thought he was Hitler's son says that Hitler was a gentle lover to his grandma I don't know what that's based on Seems like a reach it seems like a weird flex too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A gentle look.

Here's the thing, I don't even know. I feel he would be just like a petrified guy that would come really quickly. I'm gonna guess that is more accurate. Yeah, that feels like, he's probably all fucking talk and then he's just like, okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, oh no, I'm sorry when he comes. That's the Hitler. Yeah. and then he is just like, okay, I'm sorry. Oh no, I'm sorry when he comes. That's the Hitler.

Yeah. Now, when Hitler got back from World War One, he was sent by his military superiors to infiltrate a meeting of the National Socialist political party, and yeah, you know the rest more or less. He started giving speeches there, became a figure in the National Socialist Party consolidated power and plotted his, you know, not quite meteoric, but eventually total rise to power.

Now we don't have a whole lot on Hitler's sexuality during the early 1920s or his relationships. Haunchstangle is one of the main sources for the claims that Hitler might have been gay. He said stuff like this, quote, obvious prostitutes barely admitted to the Kaiserhof hotel were fervently admired by him provided that they appeared in couples or with a man. A solitary woman is usually ignored by him unless he is in a large crowd and can send in someone to find out her identity.

He always wishes to be a spectator. Do you know, he once said to Dr. Sedgwick in 1923, the audience at the circus is just like a woman, someone who does not understand that intrinsically feminine character of the mass will never be an effective speaker. Ask yourself what does a woman expect from a man? Clearness, decision, power, action. Like a woman, the masses fluctuate between extremes. What we want is to get the masses to act.

This can obviously not be done with an appeal to their selfishness nor to their cowardice, but by an appeal to their idealism, their courage and their spirit of sacrifice. Who has more the spirit of sacrifice than a woman. If she is talked to properly, she will be proud to sacrifice because no woman will ever feel that her life sacrifices have received their dual fulfillment. Let's Hitler analyzing the German people. And interesting. Yeah.

You know, just what a first date. What a first date. Haanfstangle claims to have asked him once, why don't you marry? And he says, Hitler answered, quote, marriage is not for me. And never will be. My only bride is my motherland. Then seemingly with no sequence of ideas he added, there are two ways in which a man's character may be judged

by the woman he marries, and by the way he dies. In 1923, when Hanshtangle once playfully said, if not a bride, you ought to have a mistress Hitler replied, politics is a woman. He who loves her unhappily bites off his head. So, this is one of the versions of Hitler you get that he's just too busy being the embodiment of Germany to flirt with ladies.

God, what a piece of shit. I think in this state, he continues that line the rest of his life. I think in this stage, it's not true, but he's not actually dating around that much in this stage. He's still too awkward He starts to have success with women when he gets popular. Yeah, when he starts getting some power Yeah, cuz then it's not about him. It's about the the mythic thing. Yeah, he's created and in that case He keeps saying that out loud and hiding his relationships with women, but he's also fucking some people

So anyway, that's the that's the way this goes. So it's hard basically impossible to say when Hitler lost his virginity. We do have one spectacular example of Hitler striking out with a lady. It happened in 1923 right before Hitler's famous beer hall, Puch, when they were at Berkdisgarten. Now the stories related by Hans Stangle who could come to visit Hitler and Berkdisgarten on invitation, but related by Haunchdangle who could come to visit Hitler and Berkdisgarten on invitation, but Hitler didn't like own a house there or anything at that point, they were all staying in a hotel.

The manager of the hotel was a guy named Herr Buchner, who was a German flying ace in World War I, and who had, according to Haunchdangle, a quote, strikingly, Bucksum, six-foot-tall blonde wife, which made her taller than Hitler. This rather vulgar, sensuous, blue-eyed woman had manifestly succeeded in completely inflaming Hitler to a degree that made him seem entirely beyond himself.

His breath was short, his cheeks feverish, his eyes filled with exaltation, and a swashbuckling manner Hitler was. Strading up and down the large veranda and garden, swinging his whip, he would stop now and again to talk to Fraubuckner, with in hand, punctuating his sentences with the whip in a schoolboy fashion. He was obviously showing off, talking at Fraud Buckner in the numerous gallery of admiring females, all party adherents. He made however, no impression on Fraud Buckner. On and on, he went through the whole afternoon, acting the despirado, the wild man, the man of destiny, the whole performance seemed hopefully pubescent and empty.

Oh god. man the man of destiny the whole performance seemed hopefully pubescent and empty oh god it's just whacking a whip around swinging a whip trying to flirt with a girl check out my whip check the shit out you know good I am with this whip are you impressed no think I look good oh that's like the 1920s version of just like yeah watching somebody play video games check it out no check No, check it out, good I am. I have so many. Let me get this headshot. There's so many potions. Thank you for many potions I have.

It's not real. No. Now Hitler also had a gigantic crush on his friend Putsy's wife, Helena Homschdangle. Ian Kershaw writes, quote, on one occasion, he took advantage of Putsy Homschdangle's brief absence from the room to fall on his knees in front of Helena Homschstangle, describing himself as her slave

and bemoaning the fate that had led him to her too late. When Helena told him of the incident, Putsy put it down to Hitler's need to play the role of the languishing troubidor from time to time. This guy just like needed to be, like he's a cuck is what he actually is. Like that I think is what he would have preferred. He needed a good sex therapist who just said,

no, dude, just do this. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just like, ask like, watch some of your friend's bone. That's why I think you'd probably be here. That's why I think you'd be happiest with Hitler. Maybe give up politics and just watch your friend's bone. Yeah, be that guy. Be that guy.

That's a, yeah. Compared to Hitler, that's a great guy to be. Yeah, well, and especially like, that is the child of a dad uncle. Yeah. I mean, like, that's what your kid becomes. Yeah, well, and especially like that is the child of a dad uncle. Yeah, I mean, like that's what your kid becomes. Yeah, yeah. So when Putsi later expressed the worry that Hitler was essentially trying to steal his wife's affections, Helena told Putsi not to worry. Hitler was quote, an absolute nooter. Yeah. So that was Helena's attitude towards him. Yeah, yeah. Now Hitler would later prove them and the OSS wrong,

actually in the early autumn of 1926, when the rising fascist political star, a minute girl named Mimi Rader. We will talk about her, Hitler's courtship process and his preferences and fucking in part two of this podcast. But right now, it's the end of the episode,

till Thursday when we talk about the rest of this stuff. I see. Yeah, that was just... That's just getting us to Mimi. That's just getting us to Mimi. That's to Mimi. Maybe the first girl, it's really well done, not the first girl he fucks, but like the first girl we have a lot of detail on how he courted her.

I see. So we're going to be talking a lot about how Hitler flirted with girls. Cool, it's finally moving on from his fucking hand. Great fucking hand. His leader, Hosen. Yeah, it's finally moving on from his fucking hand. Great fucking hand. His leader, Hoson. Yeah, exactly. Oh god, he's such a loser. He's such a loser.

I just wish Ik benign loser. There needs to be like, what is the? People need to know how lame. We always do like, it's either Hitler at the end of the war where he's like a sick old man or like Hitler is this terrifying warlord. Yeah. And we miss out on Insel Hitler. You definitely nail the Elliott Roger

to perspective for sure. Like, and he, it's so interesting too, because it seemed like he skipped right to Insel. Like he didn't have this like game phase where he was even trying to make it work. He just immediately knew that he needed power of any kind to get anybody, because he was such a zero.

Because he, yeah, there was otherwise no chance. Yeah. Oh, the entitlement all of them. Yeah, it's, it's gross. You know, I try not to like cycle analyze how much of this was like, did he get into power? Because he went, like I think it was probably Ansel area and everyone does things for a lot of reasons,

but like, you can't look at his backstory and not see that frustrated kid who just doesn't understand why some people are good at that and he's not and he's pissed because of it. Well, and it's just the entitlement as opposed to growing yourself and making yourself a more rounded person. Learning to dance. Yeah, that's exactly it. It's all these kind of guys. It's just like, just get a hobby that isn't just like,

trying to fuck somebody. It's like, no, just be a well-rounded person in your own regard. And then people will be interesting for people to be interested in you. Yeah, because his whole thing, and like in Kuba's ex book, it becomes like, the way he portrays Hitler is like,

he loves talking about his opinions on everything. Of course, oh. But he's not good at much. No, no, no. He just loves to talk about what he thinks about things. Yeah, of course. And like, yeah, learn to dance, man. That kind of self-important with nothing to back it up is just...

We don't care. Learn to dance. Yeah, like... Life's not that serious. Just like learn to dance a little bit. Go do something besides yell at people, Hitler. Yeah. Get a fucking dog. Yeah, get a fucking dog. Yeah, get a

fucking dog. Well, he did do that. And we will talk about how dogs play into his flirtation style soon. Of course they do. Yeah, it's going to be gross. Brandy, you got some pluggables to plug. Yeah, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at brand dazzle, B-R-A-N-D-A-Z-Z-L-E. I have a podcast called Lady to Lady. That's very fun. Every Wednesday, Mi Barber Gray, Test Barker with a fourth guest every week. And then if you are in Los Angeles, I have a monthly show every second Saturday called Picture This. That is at the Virgil. It's a $10 show. It's a comedians paired up with animators. They live animate your jokes during your set. It's very very fun We just had Pendleton Ward the creator of Toucher Time on the last up last one awesome Craig Bartlett does our show a lot

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That's me. We are here. It's part two of Hitler Fox. Hitler Fox. Bougaloo. Yes. Hitler's dick. Everybody's thinking about it.

Everybody's thinking about it. Part two of Hitler's stupid dick. And I'm gonna guess, you know, he doesn't seem like a guy. Well about it. Part two of the Hitler's stupid dick. And I'm gonna guess, you know, he doesn't seem like a guy. He did a lot of core strengthening exercises. I'm gonna guess a little low energy. No, yeah. Hitler is like a, like a, like a five pump kind of guy.

And then he gets mad at you. I know what his hair would do. Cause I can imagine like a sweat drenched fucking Hitler with just like that little thing flipping down on the front of it. Yeah, he's just constantly just. Yeah. Yeah. So mad. So mad. So mad. So mad. Every organ at as a makes him mad because it makes him happy. He just gets angry or an angry or the more he comes. Yeah. Exactly. Hitler. Why does it make me feel good? They don't understand. Good is bad. Yeah. Hitler. That was going a little Russian there. A little. A me feel good? I don't understand. Good is bad. Yeah. He was.

Hitler. That was going a little Russian there. A little. A little. Yeah, I'm not great at accents. That's okay. Anyway. The pod, the pod gas. When we left off, we just sort of established Hitler's youth and his young adulthood, the way his best friends talked about him and his sexual life, although after they were no longer his best friends. So again, I'll take everything you hear about. There were a little bit of salt. Yeah, exactly.

One thing we know about the guy for sure is that Berchtesgaden was his happy place. It's basically a quiet mountain town where he had, he eventually built a giant fortress up there, but it was, he had like a room on like to the top of the mountain where he could stare pincifully out of the skyline and contemplate. Be in Hitler.

He just needed emo. I think he just needed like... Elliot Smith would have saved the world a lot of problems. Yeah, exactly. Oh, I feel so seen. Yeah, I feel so seen. He is also right. No, no, no, no.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Life is pain, I understand. I'm becoming a Transylvania. So the accents are going to be all over the fucking place. Blow, a measeler. Oh boy. Now in autumn of 1926 Hitler took a trip to Berkdisgottin in order to relax and plot the Nazi parties next series of electoral coups.

Well he was staying at a fancy hotel. Oh, writers retreat. Yeah, basically a writers retreat. Yeah, he was going up to Big Bear to like, right? Great. Get his tight five down. What if he also took a bunch of spinach with him that he didn't end up eating? Almost certainly. That's every writers retreat I've ever gone on. I'm just like, I'm bringing nothing but kale. And then, not only gets eaten, I just go to Taco Bell instead. Hitler had that experience too. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. Now, while he was staying at a fancy hotel, Hitler met a lady named Maria Reiter, Mimi

to her friends. Now, young Mimi was in a rough spot in life. Her mom had died of cancer two weeks earlier. Her dad, a member of the Social Democratic Party, had pulled her out of her Catholic boarding school to help run the family clothing store. Now, the store was located in the bottom floor of the hotel where Hitler was staying and Hitler saw her as soon as he arrived seemingly at once this 37-year-old politician saw a grieving 16-year-old girl and was like I gotta give me some of that

The only moment his dad's ever been proud of him. Like, hell yeah. There's one more. OK, great, of course. Probably a couple. Really? Like father, uncle, like son, cousin. Sunkle. Yeah. Now, even at the time, 16 was a bit young

for a middle-aged man to date a, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that became a pattern with Hitler. The older he grew, the age of the girls he flirted with stayed the same Yep, the salt tracks. Yeah, no, I'm I here's the thing nothing you said is is surprising to me Yeah, it's just like yeah, no, I that

Fills in that part of the puzzle in that part of the puzzle It's like picking up little pieces This guy's not such a mystery. Yeah, it's a feel like I've known a few of him. It's mostly, it's one of those, like, it's a puzzle of just like a piece of shit, but with no borders. So the puzzles just keeps expanding in every direction. And not only do I feel like I know this guy,

I feel like I've stood in a police station with several friends and tried to warn the police about this guy. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's one of those guys, like you just get out on the car. Hit my hair. Yeah, just, maybe I should just duck and roll.

Yeah, you just gotta go. Oh, God. Hit on 16 year old. That was one of the most, like, I was, I was, I definitely told some gross jokes about women in my time, especially when I was like 17, 18 years old. Like, I grew up with the same toxic bullshit as everything else. One of the big things in my like, change of mind state

around this was just the fact that like coming to a realization throughout my 20s that like, well every woman I know has been scared for her life at some point during a date. I'm just worried about like, am I tipping enough? Like is she gonna judge? Yeah, like the stakes are very, very different. It's really different.

Yeah. Like, oh, yeah, I get it. I'm sorry. There's one of those guys today who would have made a lot of women scared. Yes. Yeah, exactly. And then like, oh, yeah, I get it. I'm sorry. Hitler's one of those guys today who would have made a lot of women scared. Yes. Yeah, exactly. And then like, oh, it's your problem.

It's your problem. It's like, no, man. You're not sure what the accents are going on. Just think, have a little bit of empathy. A little bit of a situation that might be different from yours. Yeah. So Ian Kershaw notes, quote, Hitler preferred women much younger than himself

girls he could dominate, who would be obedient play things, but not getting his way. I guess it seems pretty accurate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the work. Yeah, if you're if you're if you're if you're if you're gonna like game Like question Hitler so far solve Of the opening moves you could not not terrible in the fact that she's a literal teenager. Yeah, so he goes up to this girl What is this guy a Republican? Potentially a senator from Louisiana

Basically what's going on? It's not like this happens today. So he's a pretty big name in Germany in 1926, and Mimi recognizes him immediately. Not a lot of guys look like Hitler. Yeah, yeah. And that is one of these, he's Hitler. Yeah, it's recognizable. He's pretty much like a...

That's a Hitler right there. Yeah. Did he see the mustache at this point? Oh yeah, we're about to talk about that. So Mimi later talked to interviewers, and I'm going to quote the book explaining Hitler's kind of the way it put together her recollection of how Hitler flirted with her during this period. Quote, she describes the affair in the language of a Harlequin romance novel.

Hitler is the stiff somewhat ruthless stranger who first appears with a dog and a whip but is later melted into a schoolgirl fantasy lover by her charms." Quote from Mimi. There is the famous Hitler recently released from prison, she's told. He was wearing breaches in a light-valor hat, she recalls, and his hand was a writing whip. He had warm light-grace stockings and a windbreaker that was held together by a leather belt. Beside him walked a beautiful shepherd.

He sees her, too, and is theatrically captivated. He asks Mimi's sister, could you introduce me to this bliss? Mimi is brought over. He transferred his writing whip from his right hand to his left, gave me his hand, and looked at me with a piercing gaze, and praised her dog. The dog is really beautiful and well-trained. You are really good at that. They talked about dogs for an hour, Hitler, quote, did not take his eyes off of Mimi.

Then he very formally asked her sister Annie whether she would permit him to take Mimi for a walk sometime. At that she, Mimi, got up and ran away. So this is the first meeting. Still she was fascinated in a star-struck way. He looks quite dashing with his breaches and his writing whip. There is one note that spoils the picture, his mustache. The funny flies, she calls the black Harry growths beneath Hitler's nose. He was still figuring out the mustache at this point.

So she's, I mean, she's a literal child, but isn't entirely against it at first, but runs off when she's floored with, which again, this is fucking 1926. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and it's also like at a certain point, having been like a young gal that you kind of have to endure those things,

you're polite until you see an exit. And then you're like, okay, time to go. I'm not gonna out. Also I'm not gonna like outright rebuke you because you're in the position of power. Yeah, it's weird, because she recalls this as like a positive thing. Okay, I see.

But it's also like, she's recalling this years later and like when she realizes that she essentially hooked up with the most famous man of the 20th century. Yeah, yeah. So like some of this is going to be retroactively. She's gonna make it like a thing. I don't know. I can't imagine being that positioned.

So I'm not gonna judge Mimi writer. No, no, no, no, she's a child also. She's 16. Yeah, yeah. And he's the 37 year old approaching her. So, Hitler invited Mimi and her sister to a Nazi party meeting where he was giving a speech. He wasn't allowed to give public speeches in 1926

as a condition of his parole. So, it's an older man with a parole history that's like, who's on parole at not a 16 year old? What is he, what is he, what is he, a lion chef at a rib place? That's exactly how he makes this money. Fucking court see his. He's got a tram's hand.

Oh God. But first falling off. Oh, I know these guys. I've bought coke from Hitler. Oh man. Yeah, you absolutely legit. Yeah, that's totally who Hitler is. Oh God.

Oh, remember. I remember working in a rib place when I was a teenager in high school. I know this guy exactly. And there's this one chef that didn't talk to me at all until on Valentine's Day, he brought me a candy heart that had a picture of a mousse on it and it said, you will mousse me.

Okay. And I remember just being like, thanks. That's a move. I and then he had like a child. He had like a baby. Nice. Brought to one of my ships. I was like, cool.

Glad you're introducing me to your baby. I don't give a shit about this. So how long have you all been married? He's probably dead. I hope he is. In a healthy society, that's what happens. The Hitler-like guy dies of a coke overdose in his car at age 34. Yeah, no exactly.

I just remember, man, no, that's who Hitler was, for sure. That's who that fucking fried coke was. That fried coke. In a healthy society, all our Hitler's are fried cooks. And some of our fried cooks become Anthony Bourdain's. Yes. But none of our Anthony Bourdain's become Hitler's. No.

No, absolutely not. Yeah, that's a healthy society. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so yeah, Hitler, since that this teenager was attracted to his fame, so he like really played that up. After this big event, he put her and her sister at the head table for dinner and sat them right next to him, so they felt like they were at the center of this big important political meeting.

I mean, it was a big important political. The Nazis wound up a charge. So, yeah. But it's funny like thinking about like from the perspective of the other Nazis in the room, just like, oh, and Hitler has two children with him. The boss is hitting on a teenager. Cool. This, we're on the right side of it.

We're the right ones. Yeah. We're the good guys. We're doing great. Yeah, we got our fucking fucking cook pedophile boss running a party. We work on the right side of history. I feel like we're the good guys. Yeah, we totally are. God. Um, she later recalled, uh, and I have to remind you she's talking about Hitler here. Quote, I was very embarrassed and blushed. It was as if he had organized the meeting just for me,

as if all that counted for him now was to just conquer me. Ugh. She was apparently feeling that. During dinner, Hitler, quote, fed her pieces of cake like a little child. He treated her like a child, and then again, like a grown woman. After dinner, he talked about her dead mom

and told her that she had the same eyes as his dead mom. Hitler's game is pretty weird. Wow! Oh my god! There's just so many layers. A lot of dead moms coming into how Hitler flirts. Oh man, show me a picture of your dead mom. I hear your mother is dead. Show me mine. I'll show you your dead mother. I had to have a tragically dead mother. Yeah, exactly. Let's put their pictures together and make them kiss Does this do anything for you?

Just 60 mine nine are dead moms faces is that what you like little child? This is how fuck yes. Yeah, yeah, just whipping photos of it. Somebody else is dead mother. No, throw your mother's photo Yeah, watch me cut it in half. Oh boy. God. Oh boy. Yeah, so he followed that with, or he followed with what maybe described as a course sexual advance, although she unfortunately does not give the exact details of that. Yeah. Given the 20s, it might have been him complimenting her hands or something.

Yeah, yeah. Completely innocent like that. Well not completely innocent. She was 16. He was 37, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Later in the dinner, a guest asked Hitler why he wasn't married yet. This was 16. He was 37. But you know what I'm saying? Later in the dinner, a guest asked Hitler why he wasn't married yet.

This was a pretty common question for Hitler to get. He answered that, of course, he had to save Germany first. According to Mimi, though, at the exact same time, quote, Hitler touched my legs with his knee and heavily stepped on my toes with his shoe, a funny and rude hint at what he wanted to say. This works on Mimi. She says it does This works, this works on, maybe. She says it does at least, you know, who knows how accurate her recollections are in her.

I mean, I get it, because also like being a 16 year old girl at that point, and it's, it's like, this is all intoxicating, this is all very, it's all very complimentary. And not that the two men are similar, but he's like a similar level in national politics to someone like Beto overwork.

Where people are like, seriously talking this guy might be in charge soon. So there's that dimension of this. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, and it's also like, you know, you've been forced to drop out of school by your dad, like your only way. Your mom's dead, yeah.

Your only way to a better life at this point, is probably through a man to another situation. Like you aren't really probably, you aren't being primed to take over a business of your own money. And your dad's a member of like the opposite political party. So maybe there's a little bit of that going on too where she's like, my dad's gonna really hate this.

I'm bringing home the ultimate bad boy. That's what I mean. Yeah, I'm the kind of, there's no better date in the bad boy than literally Hitler. Yeah, I know seriously. Okay, so based on what you know about Hitler's game so far, what would you expect his next step was after talking about his dead mom and then stomping on a girl's foot? I mean, maybe just like putting some of his dad's ashes on like lipstick and then asking

for a kiss is that? That would actually be less creepy he chose animal abuse oh great here's here's me me reader quote we went out into the night Hitler was about to put his arm around my shoulders and pull me towards him when the two dogs suddenly attacked each other Hitler suddenly intervened like a maniac he hit his dog with his writing whip and shook him violently by the collar he was very excited I did not expect that he could hit his dog so brutally and ruthlessly. The dog, which he had said he could not live without, yet he beat up his most loyal companion. How can you be so brutal and beat your dog like that?

I asked, it was necessary, Hitler said. Tenderly, he touched my shoulders. His mouth changed. His voice sounded sad. Don't you want to kiss me? He asked. She forces herself to say no, that they shouldn't see each

other again. Hitler takes the reaction badly. He turned cold, kindness disappeared from his face. abruptly he turned away, said, Hyle and left. Yeah, I mean. Pro tip Hitler don't beat dogs on a first date. Yeah, I shouldn't have to say that. Yeah, I shouldn't have to say don't be dogs. No, no, no, no, shouldn't have to say it anyway. Maybe not on the first, you know, you don't do that. Most experts say animal abuse is like a third date thing. Yeah, exactly. That's when you get that dog whip out. Yeah, he's, oh man.

Oh, you and your goddamn whip. I spooned that dog that night and just whispered sweet nothing to the poor dogs here. Oh, I really feel for that dog. All a Hitler's dogs, they just saw so many sad masturbations. Yeah, absolutely did. We don't think enough about the suffering dog kind went through during those years.

No, it was rough. I know. Yeah, poor babes. Yeah. Now, Hitler, once rejected, was not about to give up on his dreams of conquering this girl, literally less than half of his age. He sent one of his men to Mimi's store the next day. This guy told Mimi that he'd never seen the boss

so filled with love. Believe me, the man is on fire. Now this got Mimi to give Hitler a second chance. Yeah. She agreed to a second and well, you wasn't quite a date, but she agreed to hang out with him again. He picked her up at work and took her in a ride in his Mercedes. He didn't drive, of course. His man Maurice handled the driving. Hitler couldn't drive. He sat next to Mimi in the back, quote, he took my hand and put it into his lap. Then he took my other hand as well and pressed it.

Now I have your hands and I have you and I will keep you now. You know, I have big fan of Hitler's moves. I don't like his moves. No, moves. I don't like his moves. No, okay. I don't like what Mimi needed like, um, she needed like a Wilson through the fence. Yeah, for some advice. You had an older man going like, oh, you shouldn't be dating

37 year old Nazis. Yeah, yeah, she needed somebody to be on her side here. To be a good adult. Some good adult advice. Oh, God. I guess dad was grieving. I'm not gonna hit on him too hard But it is kind of a failure of parenting if your daughter dates Hitler. Yeah, yeah, when she's 16

You know, yeah, those kids can date Hitler. That's their mistake to make Yeah, exactly. There's a couple of lessons that should have been taught better parenting at a few levels in this story would Really? It really helped with some problems so For their next date Hitler took her to a graveyard to see her mom's grave. What happened next is just so strange that I'm going to read explaining Hitler's description because it's weird.

Quote, Hitler's overcome thinking of his own mother, moved by something he did not want to tell me what he said sounded very grave and not most distressed. I am not ready yet. Hitler holding on to his writing whip, comforts a sobbing Mimi and strangely chooses that moment to tell her, I want you to call me wolf. That was his preferred nickname. Wolf. So he takes her to his mom's grave or her mom's grave so he's not ready to fuck and then

asks her to call him wolf. That was his favorite nickname. He thought it sounded cool. He made all his friends call him Wolf. That was his favorite nickname. He thought it sounded cool. He made all his friends call him Wolf. Secret headquarters during the invasion of Russia was the Wolf's lair. I'm just saying you would have been one of those guys with an unironic wolf howling at the moon shirt. You can't tell people your nickname. No, then it's not a nickname. Then it's narcissism. Yes. If you get a cool nickname, congratulations. Yeah. But, yeah, you gotta earn it. Yes.

You gonna get to pick your own. Yeah. It's bullshit. You know what you do get to pick of your own? Is the products and services that you spend your money and or commerce units to purchase ads? We're back. We're back.

We just enjoyed the freedom of choice that Hitler would not have We're back. We're back. We're back. We just enjoyed the freedom of choice that Hitler would not have approved of, although actually if we're going to be really honest, the Nazi regime was seriously in bed with the capitalist interest in Germany at the time and phrased a lot of what they were doing as a defense of free trade against unionism. But yeah. That's another podcast. That's another product. Productions about this.

It's a bonus. Yeah, talking about his dick to day, not the entanglements of fascism and capitalism throughout history. His little wolf. His little wolf. Little wolf. Wolfy. Wolfy wolfy.

So, on their fourth date, Hitler decided to make his move on Mimi Reader. He took her out for a walk in the woods and said romantic things to her and then asked her to kiss him, which is, you know, the pretty timeless move. That's a pretty classic date. I mean, to be fair, we're going, we're going from mom's grave, mom's grave. Well, we're going from a, from like a dinner where he's given a speech, we're going from fascist political meeting, date one where he beats a dog at the end. Uh, date two middle aged guy takes you on a ride in his Mercedes.

Uh, date three moms grave. Yeah. Uh, tells you to call them wolf. Wow. And then date four walk in the woods. Okay. I mean, the most normal of the date so far is the walk in the woods. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's a solid fourth date, it's a decent time to make that move. If you're, you know, she's 16. Jesus Hitler. Okay, so here's Mamie, quote, I could feel how he clenched his fists. I could see how he was fighting with himself. My child, I could squash you in my arms at this very moment.

I did not resist any longer. His true self had come out. Yeah, yeah. This is what Hitler says in his first kiss. Maybe his first kiss ever. Yeah. Maybe not. Hitler told her that he wanted her to have

his blonde Aryan babies, but wine that he didn't have the time right now, what with his mission to save Germany. How many times have you? Just, I just tell you. I mean, speaking as a man, we've all used that line. Oh yeah, I gotta say Germany, baby.

I just can't help it. I just, Germany as a man, we've all used that line. Oh, yeah. I gotta say Germany, baby. I just can't help it. I just, Germany, you know. You're gonna last 30 second, Ja'peace's shit. Like, please, you've got the time. Now, Hitler promised to buy an apartment in Berlin for them once, you know, he was more successful with the course. He made promises about the kind of, the furniture they'd buy and all this stuff.

He told her they'd be together forever. But then he left Berkdisgottan and ignored her for months. This is the worst Springsteen song. Yeah, it's a very good song. He just goes there. Yeah, he goes there for a long time. When he returned to the mountains finally, he didn't visit her.

Being a teenager, Mimi did not take this very well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's okay, buddy. If you're gonna, we're gonna go here and let's do this. Let's do this. I mean, all sorts of pictures appeared in my mind, faces of other women and Hitler smiling at them.

I did not want to go on living. Yeah. So she attempted suicide, trying to hang herself on a door handle with a clothesline. Oh, damn, Mimi. Yeah, yeah, she went for it. Her brother-in-law came in at the last minute and saved her. And according to Mimi, her brother-in-law

had came to save her after he had gotten a message from Hitler that Hitler had just sent to him, explaining that he hadn't been seeing Mimi recently because he'd been blackmailed by someone who'd sent a letter to the Nazi party office claiming that Hitler was seducing underage girls. So basically months later, Hitler comes in and is like, you know, somebody was talking about us and I had to go dark because it would hurt the success of my political party, if we'd kept our thing up. So that's excuse.

So the truth would have come out, and oh, so it's like, he knows it's not supposed to be doing this. And this is not a lot of times when you talk about people dating teenagers, whatever in the past, it was definitely more normal back then. Again, this was a political liability for 37 year old. It would have been weird if you'd been 25 and dating a 16-year-old.

That would have been pretty normal for Austria in 1926. Over 20 years. This is weird. Yeah, yeah. What he's doing is weird and he knows it. Yeah. Yeah. So Mimi claims that she found out later that the letters, you know,

sent into the Nazi party office were actually written by a woman who was close to Hitler and jealous of his relationship with Mimi. It was possibly this lady who was like his bodyguard slash chauffeur who was like in love with him that he may have also fucked. We don't really know that much about that relationship. There's a lot of rumor relationships that we don't have confirmation of. But one thing that is confirmed is that the Nazis were unbelievably catty bitches. There was tons of blackmail within the Nazis.

Oh yeah. Gross and they were all fucking with each other. Yeah, and they're all fucking messy, just a bunch of messy bitches for sure. Messy, messy bitches. Yeah, that's the Nazis. So Mimi and Hitler drifted apart for a while. The whole relationship was a huge deal for her,

but it seems to have been more of a bump on the road for Hitler. During this time, he repeatedly flirted with his best friend, Hanfstangles wife, as well as Henrietta Hoffman, the daughter of his photographer and fiancé of Baldur von Scherock, one of his top Nazis. Hitler dated, or at least made moves on, Jenny Haug, one of his drivers, and the bodyguard lady I talked about, maybe the woman who sent the letter. It's hard to tell how true all the different rumors about women Hitler might have been with us, but it seems like by the mid-tws he's famous enough that like a lot of people are following

for his charms. Yeah, yeah. Largely for his fame. According to Ian Kershaw, quote, none of his liaisons it seems had been more than superficial. No deep feelings were ever stirred. Women were for Hitler a sport, an adornment in a men's world. Whether in the men's home in Vienna, the regiment during the war, the Munich barracks until his discharge and his regular gatherings of party cronies and cafe noise-hour or cafe

heck in the 1920s, Hitler's environment had always been overwhelmingly male. Very occasionally, a woman would be admitted into our intimate circle, recalled Heinrich Hoffman, but she'd never was allowed to become the center of it, and had to remain seen but not heard. She could occasionally take a small part in the conversation, but never was she allowed to hold forth or to contradict Hitler. God, I love a silent wife. I leave the silent dumb, that's the way Hitler likes him. Don't the better than just a silent wife.

There's a quiet woman who's barely alive. Oh God. Hitler. Now, Hitler's next confirmed fling was with Gellie Raubel, his half-nice. Oh, six. Six. Here we go.

You can't stop a Hitler male from fucking his own niece. Oh, six! Six! Here we go! You can't stop a Hitler male from fucking his own niece. Just, yeah. You can't not stay away from that. In a ziplot! Yeah, man, he did something. A lot of... Two generations, you guys fucking... They're the same age when they start, too.

So he met her when she was 14 years old. Her father had died when she was young, and her mother worked as a housekeeper. They were poor. Hitler did wait until she was 16. Oh, well, what a gentleman. What a gentleman. And that's the age when Uncle Alf, as she called him, asked her and her mom to move to Munich and become his housekeepers. Now for them, it would seem like a real upgrade because he was a very powerful man by this point. He set Gellian, Angela up in an apartment

and while her mom cleaned house, Hitler took his teenage niece out on the town. He found out she wanted to be a singer and our Kelly like started paying for music lessons and promising to make her famous. Yeah. Like, it's all tracks. It's all tracks.

It's not just animals. Hitler was just one of these guys. He was all of them. Yeah, he's the prototype for, I mean, not the pioneers before him too, but it's like he really is just greatest of these guys. He was all of them. Yeah, he's the prototype for, I mean, not the pioneers before him too, but it's like he really is just great as tits all around. How many, was he into Jello? What's he, what's he, what's he,

drug and lady? Yeah, is he like super into Jello at every point? Yeah, I mean, credit where it's due, that might be an area where Cosby innovated on Hitler. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, well, although, yeah, there's some other crimes coming up here.

So over the next year or so, Hitler fell increasingly in love with his teenage niece. This did not go over well with his inner circle. Hanfstangle hated Gally, calling her an empty-headed slut with the course cert of bloom of a servant girl, which is some real sexist rich guy. Yeah. Please blame the child that was brought here by the adult man in power. Yeah, please, please. Yeah, also if he'd known Hitler's family history He would have known servants were sort of the family thing. Yeah, that's kind of how it works out for them Weird that he and his dad both not only sleep with their nieces, but both bring them in as like serving girls How how aware do you think Hitler was of that relationship?

I don't know. Okay. This is, there's a lot of rumors that he was to an extent and he was trying to keep it hidden from people. So I'm just wondering if that's like him trying to like normalize how his parents got together in some way. Maybe. Even was thinking that consciously about him.

I'm certain it wasn't conscious, but that may have been a factor. This being like wanting to sort of be like, well, no, you know, if I'm like the him. I'm certain it wasn't conscious, but that may have been a factor. This one being wanting to be like, well, no, if I'm the biggest man in Germany, and this is what I do, then it wasn't messed up how I grew up. It's fine. And I don't have to think about it that much. Exactly. No, my mother and wife.

My mother and wife, cousin. That's great. So Putsi had to admit still that the infatuation his furor had with this teenage girl was pretty significant He said that she quote had the effect of making him behave like a man in love He hovered at her elbow in a very plausible imitation of adolescent infatuation So Gelly wound up having an affair with Hitler's longtime chauffeur Emil Maurice Hitler forgave her but fired Maurice Yeah, when a local Nazi party leader named Munder whined that Gellie was distracting Hitler from politics, Hitler fired Munder. For a while, Gellie Raoul threatened to derail the coming of the Third Reich entirely. Hitler started canceling plans for speeches and

meetings to take her on Pignix. Now, Gellie's probably the single most controversial piece of Hitler's backstory. Off the top of my head, the only thing historians debate more of a ciferiously about Hitler is whether or not he was like an active, repassive participant in the Holocaust. Those are like two of the things that are most questioned about this guy. The relationship is among other things, the origin of the Hitler-like poop myth. So that's where we're going next. Oh hell yeah. You know, it's just, sometimes you think you you're just gonna have a Friday and here it is.

And here it is. Here it is. It does feel great. So in 1929, Hitler bought the gigantic apartment that he'd first promised Mimi Reader. But he was over her, so he moved his 17-year-old niece in. Gellie's mother was sent off to Berkdisgaden to keep Hitler's holiday at home clean and to keep her away from Hitler and her daughter. So Gellie and Hitler lived in separate bedrooms, but on the same floor. And now, our main sources for this particular story

about the relationship come from a journalist named Conrad Heiden and our old pal, Hanfstangle. They also come from Gregor Strosser, a former Nazi who fell out with Hitler. So all these stories are from very anti-Hitler people who have reason to exaggerate things, which is far away I bring that up. Yeah, so.

I just like that they've got a real, like I love Lucy's set up on their house. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's very much that, but with poop. So Vanity Fair quotes all of these sources and I'm going to read their kind of recollection of events starting with Hayden. Quote, Hitler wrote the young girl a letter couched in the most unmistakable terms. It was a letter in which the uncle and lover gave himself completely away.

It expressed feelings which could be expected from a man with masochistic, coprophile inclinations, bordering on what Havillock Ellis calls undenism. The letter probably would have been repulsive to Gellie if she had received it, but she never did. Hitler left the letter lying around and fell into the hands of his land lady's son, a certain Dr. Rudolph. The letter was bound to the base Hitler

and make him ridiculous in the eyes of anyone who might see it. Hitler seems to have feared that it was Rudolph's intention to make it public. So Copra file is obviously loving poop and Udonism is loving to be urinated. So that's how this journalist describes this mythical letter. That Hitler almost sends Gellie, but it gets intercepted and then another Nazi

is like threading the black male Hitler with it. I see. Again. That's an intense letter. How many rough drafts do you go through before you were telling you, Nisha, you want to poop in her? Yeah, yeah. Or be pooped in by her. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. We'd have to ask John McAfee that. So Putsy Homsdangle told a pretty similar story in his biography, but he claims that the

point of graphic content was different rather than a letter about his desire to be pooped in by Gellie. Honestangle claims that the thing that got intercepted was Hitler's nude sketches of his niece. He describes the drawings as depraved intimate sketches of Gellie Raoul with every anatomical detail, which could have meant that it was something we'd consider really weird to be on the pale or could have meant that he was just drawing a point of a girl he thought was his girlfriend. I mean, it's gross because she's his 17 year old niece, but it might not have been a poop thing.

Yeah, it could just be like a nude photo or a new drawing. Yeah, the most direct story we have or most direct evidence we have of the Hitler-like poop myth comes from Otto Strasser. Now Otto was a leading figure in the Nazi party for a while and then fell afoul of the party, his brother who was also an Nazi, was murdered and Otto became like a critic of the regime. And he wrote about this in a 1940 book that he published after he had fallen out with the party.

So again, grain of salt here. Otto Strasser claims that basically after a period of excitement, Gellie got bored of being Hitler's girlfriend since Hitler believed he had to present an image of being available and married to Germany. Hitler's handlers kind of thought that Hitler's sex appeal was a big part of Nazism's draw. And if he was known that he had a girlfriend,

like, women wouldn't vote for him, and then he wouldn't be able to win election, which they may have been right about. There's something, I mean, there's something there, I guess. Yeah. It's hard to say. This was pretty soon after women got the vote too, so people were, I mean, people were sexes for a lot of reason Got a vote for a

Available man sexy sexy Hitler. Maybe she sees my ballot. I'll get to be Mrs. Hitler. Yeah, exactly Hitler so basically Strasser claimed that like Gehli was really bored all the time And it's like really frustrated and depressed at not being able to go out with her boyfriend. And finally, Hitler allowed him, Strasser, to take Gellie out to a marty girl party. Because he was like, okay, I'll let you do something, but I can't go with you,

because it'll look bad, so you go with my friend. So Strasser claims that during this like party, they were sitting down at a table and talking, and she opened up to him with a very emotional, horror story. Quote from Strosser. Hitler made her undress while he would lie down on the floor, then she would have to squat down over his face where he could examine her at close range, and this made him very

excited. When the excitement reached its peak, he demanded that she urinate on him, and that gave him his sexual pleasure. Gellie said the whole performance was extremely disgusting to her, and although it was sexually stimulating, it gave her no gratification. So... Cool. What a party.

What a party. These German parties, man, got it? Yeah. Yeah. And again, Straszer hated Hitler by that point and may have just been trying to slander his name. Other reports of Gellie and Hitler's relationship say that it was about as normal as a sexual liaison between a niece and her uncle could be.

We don't know what they got up to. What we do know is that in 1931, at the Cusp of Hitler reaching power, Mimi Reader came back into his life. This is while he's living with Gellie. She's like a legal age, this time and not even related to her. Yeah, she's like 18 now.

Wow. Yeah. So while Hitler's living with and banging his niece, Mimi Reader comes into town. She'd marry to Guy in the intervening years, but dumped him a little bit in, and basically traveled to Munich for a Hitler booty call. So this is her version of events

as described by the book explaining Hitler. She quote, Calls Hitler's Agitent Julia Shaub and formed that Mimi is in town, Hitler tells Shaub, bring her over. Mimi places the episode that follows in the summer of 1931 when Hitler was living in his big new apartment with Gellie Raubel.

Now Mimi claims that during this visit, I let everything happen. So they had sex. This is like one of the first confirmations we have, and she doesn't give us a lot of detail about this. We know that Hitler has a booty call with Mimi in early summer or whatever in 1931, and then not a whole long while later, maybe just a couple of weeks, maybe a few days,

Ghelly Raoul commits suicide. Oh! Yeah. Jakes. Now, there are a number of theories as to why. One says she was jealous that Hitler had slept with Mimi and being 19 at the time, took the most dramatic revenge she could imagine. Another theory says she started in a fair with a Jewish dance teacher in Vienna and was about to leave Hitler.

And so he had her murdered. Some of the versions say that he murdered her himself. Yet another variant is that she wanted to leave for Vienna because she was just bored, but had refused to let her go and she killed herself in protest because again, she was 19. Either way, one detail is consistent across all these stories. Kelly Robble, entered Hitler's room,

found his 6.5 millimeter Mauser handgun and shot herself dead through the chest. Wow. Which again, is part of why people think it might have been a murder, because she shot herself in the chest. Yeah, the chest, that's a hard shot to take. But it's also not uncommon for women

who commit suicide with guns to avoid shooting themselves in the head. Interesting. Yeah. Wow. So, huh. Nobody knows. Yeah. This is debated to this day.

There are people right now who are trying to have her body exhumed in order to like, and like think that they found out, like it's a big controversy and stuff. It's interesting. We don't really know what happened. It was a massive scandal at the time. People thought it was going to derail Hitler's political career right on the cusp of rise into power.

The Nazi party immediately responded with like, basically claiming that she'd killed herself because she was nervous over an upcoming music recital. The body was taken away, courtesy of the Bavarian minister of justice who was a Nazi sympathizer. Her death was declared a suicide after a quick inquest. It was all clearly shushed up by the Nazis in a government and like the fact that law enforcement was fans with the Nazis. The whole story is really hard's really hard to like grasp exactly what happened here.

There's certainly a good chance she was murdered, but there's at least an equally good chance that she was just driven to suicide by her relationship with Hitler. Well, and she's also been like, so isolated at this point, like your whole world is this guy and you just don't let you leave anywhere. And it's like, yeah.

I can see learning about him screwing Mimi when she's living with him could have made her commit suicide. I can see learning about him scaring Mimi when she's living with him could have made her commit suicide. I can see how she might not have known that at all and it just been fed up by it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, driving women to suicide, along with flirting via whip was sort of Hitler's thing. Robert Wait, a psychologist,

wrote a psychoanalytical biography of Hitler titled the Psychopathic God. Now, Wait is like the first guy who got Langer's OSS report to classify it, and he's definitely a member of the Hitler was into weird shit sexually camp. So a lot of his conclusions are really debatable, but he makes a decent case to suggest that Hitler was doing something fucked up

to the girls he liked. Quote, the idea that Hitler had a sexual perversion, particularly abhorrent to women is further supported by a statistic. Of the seven women who we can be reasonably sure had intimate relations with Hitler, six committed suicide or seriously attempted so. Damn.

Yeah. Ooh, good. So something. Something's fucked up. God damn. Yeah, he's up in some bad business. Doesn't have to be kinky sex. No, no, no.

Even more likely maybe that he's just really emotionally abusive. Being Hitler? Yeah, no, no. Even more likely maybe that he's just really emotionally abusive, being Hitler. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something about, you know, he doesn't seem like a supportive boyfriend. Does not seem like a supportive boyfriend. No, no, no. This is like, yeah, he's, he's, we've been some bullshit in your ears. Suicide is the single biggest through line rather than poop of Hitler's sex life.

Yeah. Eva Brown, who was Hitler's wife eventually, who Hitler met in 1929, and while she was 17 years old and he was in his 40s, attempted suicide in 1932, and again in 1935, and then obviously committed suicide with him in 1945. Yeah. There were two attempts before that point. Wow. While they were still together.

Yeah. Wow. Well, it's. We'll see. We'll talk about that. Yeah. Frau Ingale, another possible Hitler lover, successfully committed suicide, so did Renate Muller and Susie Liptauer. We don't know a lot about most of these relationships. Gellie, Mimi, and Eva are the only women we get a lot of detail about, and Mimi is the only

lover who survived fucking Hitler long enough to give it a tailed interview. It turns out that being in love with the leader of the German Reich was even more dangerous than fighting in Stalingrad. So, we're gonna talk about why that may have been and about some of the things that we do know about his sex life from some of these women, the other details, but first, is an ad transition? Yeah, let's do some ads.

Let's do some ads. Don't think about Hitler's sweaty balls. Well, you think about these products, dam it, that's a really bad ad pivot. Oh, I'm glad Sophie's not here. She's gonna be really pissed at that. Ha ha ha. Um, uh, the product. T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T- Right. What a nice break from thinking about his shitty sweaty balls. He's shitty sweaty balls. Or a ball.

Or a ball. Who knows? Who knows? Well, his doctor said not, but I don't know. It's a good song. So one of the women who committed suicide and his belief to have been a lover of Hitler was a Renate Muller.

She was an actress. And she got to tell a little bit of her story before leaping out of a window and falling to her death in 1937. Damn. Yeah. So I'll quote Vanity Fair. These stories came from the guy who was her director,

so we don't have her directly being quoted on this. The guy who worked with her later told the Oss about what had gone down between them. Her director, one A. Zysler, later told the Oss that she had invited him shortly after spending a night with Hitler in the Reich's chancellery. How distressed she was that the nature of the sexual practices Hitler demanded of her, of which to her mortification she complied. She claimed Hitler fell on the floor and begged her to kick him, condemned himself as unworthy and just groveled in an agonizing manner. The scene became intolerable to her, and finally she

aced it to his wishes. As she continued continued to kick him he became more and more excited. Yeah. So that's a really different one. That's like the Hitler liked being and that's to be more believable than some of the like a lot of powerful men. They want to be dominant. To sex workers like that's what these guys go in for. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Like they want to be they want to be the sub. I don't have any trouble imagining Hitler wanting a woman to just kick him a bunch. No, he like masterbates on the floor. That's yeah, that's kind of sounds like the Hitler we know. Yeah, no, that that that that finally sounds way more. Because it's like there's a lot of self hate going on. So it's like being able to actually like exercise that party itself. Yeah, that seems for sure.

Yeah, I can see how that happened. Yeah. And that also just makes a lot of sense with like, it would be very difficult to reconcile those two things if you were a woman that like knew that versus the image of the world that Hitler that you knew. So that would be, I mean, I can see how that would help with suicide. Or it's, there's also a lot of people who suspect

that she did not commit suicide, that she was murdered because she knew about Hitler's sexual preferences, because she just kind of, you know, dropped out, she ended up in a window in 1937, might have been thrown. We'll never know. This whole state was controlled by the Nazis by that point, so you're not getting a good inquester

anything. Well, it's like how many of these women were actually suicide versus murder. Well, that's that everybody knows with Gellie, I think it's possible they were all murdered and none of them killed themselves. A man with Hitler, I don't have trouble believing, like even Brown definitely tried to kill herself beforehand.

So I also, I suspect it's a mix. I suspect one or two of these women were murdered, some of them committed suicide. Whatever the case, being with Hitler is not great for your long-term survival. What? Good. Again, Mimi Readers, the only one we get along, which she's kind of Hitler is the romance character

in her recollection of things, but like she lived through it. Yeah. If that seems to be pretty hard. Yeah. Damn. Really dodged a bullet there. Yeah, seriously.

Like, bullet, Eva Brown did not dodge. Now I think people who focus too much on the possibility of sexual deviants and Hitler kind of might have some kind of bad intentions under the surface. I feel like focusing on that on like the weird sex aspect of things. Yeah.

Is a way to make him seem less scary, like calling him a sexual serial killer. All actually makes him less scary because if Hitler's like a serial killer doing all of these things because he's just Jeffrey Dahmer in charge of a nation or if he's some poop-feending sex monster, then he's not a normal human being like all of us. Yeah, exactly.

Well, and it's also like that's also demonizing those sexual practices where it's like, you know, your kinks to your kinks as long as they're consensual. There's something to matter with them. Whether or not Hitler was pooping in people's mouths, a lot of people who didn't become Hitler were pooping in each other's mouths. Yes. And it's fine. Yeah. Yeah.

Now Martin Amos, best-selling English author, is very much a proponent of the weird sex view of Hitler. He was behind one of these recent waves of Hitler king stories, one that hit back in 2014, because during a speech he started making claims that he believed, he basically claimed that this was a typical sexual encounter in the life of a alt Hitler. He would fortify his underpants with clean serviets and napkins, and then he would go into some sort of excitation with Eva Brown staying at a safe distance. So Amos believes that, and I'm going to quote from an article about him, there are three

schools of thought when it comes to Hitler's sexuality. One is normality, which Amos says that he can be immediately thrown out because it is impossible to see Hitler as a Considerate and energetic lover. The next one is a sexuality and the third is perversion. Yeah. Now This belief is in line with what Spurnt Nazis like Hanfstangl and Strasser claim and is also in line with the Langer report But very much out of line with the recollections of Mimi Reader who probably did fuck him and says that he was pretty normal Yeah, like he was a weird guy, but like in terms of the way he fucked, nothing that crazy. Yeah, yeah.

Hitler's sister Paula does believe Mimi Reader was like the love of Hitler's life, and a lot of other people will say that Gellie was the love of this life. It's impossible to know. Maybe he never cared that much about any of them. I don't know if he's actually capable of loves. That's a great question. And one of the reasons that like Herman Garing is one of the people who's like, he was different after Gellie. Like one of the people who's like, he was different after Gellie.

Like a lot of people who wound up in trial after World War II were the biggest proponents of the Hitler totally changed after his niece killed herself. And there's some suspicion among historians that like, well, you're just trying to like make yourself seem less complicit. And that like, no, when I got involved with this guy, he was a normal dude. And then he went crazy. And I, you know, it wasn know it wasn't I did you know I was out of my hands also what a way to blame it on the woman I mean the the the summer solts that people will pull to blame everything

It's it's amazing wow and it comes down to like the ultimate example of that is not to throw a shade on Simon Viesenthal because he's a hero, but like the Hitler got syphilis from a Jewish prostitute. Yeah. It's like both blame it on a Jewish person. Yes. And on a woman. There we go.

Yeah, oh cool, that just, what a neat little bow. Be a little bow, we wrap that up in. He couldn't help it. He's a victim. Yeah. So this like the attitude that Hitler was just like sort of irredeemably weird and couldn't possibly have attracted a woman naturally and there was always strength, it's not only out of line with what like Mimi

Rita reported, it's out of line with like what his friends who didn't go on trial for war crimes reported from the stage of his life. We, I found an interview in time with Carl Wilhelm Krauss who worked as Hitler's valet for five years from 34 to 39. They were like friendly. And here's what Krauss reported. Quote, what I can state here is that Hitler certainly did not hate women. Proof of this are the many actresses who were invited along during the early years to afternoon and evening performances. Often during our travels, he would suddenly be totally enchanted, exclaiming, my God, isn't that a beautiful girl. He then turned around, making me, who was behind him, moved to the sides

that he had an unrestricted view behind him and could follow the lady with his gaze. If in any given place, an exceptionally beautiful woman would catch his eye, Brookner more often than not had to find out her address. After that, the lady was invited for coffee, either to Munich, Berlin, or the Ober Saltsberg, just so Hitler could have a chat with her.

That sounds like normal famous guy. No, no, that's normal famous guy. That sounds like fucking any rich famous guy in LAC and a girl he thinks is cute and have someone from his entourage go down there. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's classic. Sounds like normal famous dude behavior.

John Tollin talked to Emil Morisse, Hitler's long time chauffeur, and this is the guy who made love to Gally and then got fired. But he and Hitler were close for a long time. And despite being exiled by Hitler for fucking his niece, Emil Maris gave a pretty reasonable appraisal of his old boss's sex life. Quote, We chased girls together and I used to follow him like a shadow. The two would spend time at the Art Academy and an artist's studios admiring models posing in the nude.

Calling himself, Hera Wolf, Hitler would occasionally pass in the evening evening with Maurice roaming the night spots and streets for girls. Since the latter was attractive to women, he would act as a go-between. Every so often, according to Maurice, Hitler would entertain one of these conquests by proxy in his little room. He always offered flowers, even when he was penniless, and we used to go out and admire the ballet dancers. Sounds again, normal.

No, that's all pretty normal. Yes, it's hot for a wingman for him. Yeah, yeah, that's all standard. Again, these are like the, and this is a guy you'd expect to Mill and Maurice would have bad shit to say about Hitler. But like, there's nothing about that I don't believe. That sounds like a million guys.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's nothing, but ultimately there's nothing special about Hitler whatsoever, like it's like, there's, that's the conclusion you're drawn to. Now, the last destination on our tour to Hitler's love life is of course his relationship with Eva Brown or Bronn. Eva was as I stated 17 when they met. She had been educated in a convent like Mimi Reader and worked at Heinrich Hoffman, his photographers shop. You know, she was working there when Hitler met her in 1929. Now this is during the same year that Gellie

and Hitler were supposedly in the midst of the greatest romance of his life. So they were living together in a relationship at this point when he meets and invites Eva Brown out to the opera. He probably started fucking her on the side while he was still with his niece and then at one point fooling around with Mimi. So there's a point in time when Hitler's like fooling around with three ladies, one of whom lives with him and not telling any of them about this. I mean, that's also standard, standard rich guy.

Yeah, that's standard rich guy. Yeah, exactly. None of this is weird. Yeah, yeah, you're in the power that you've craved for so long, so you're gonna like, you know, fuck a bunch of ladies. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And like the Eva Brown's two suicide attempts, one of them coincides with like when Mimi would have come over and like, Gellie would have killed herself. And one of them coincides with another potential person that we think Hitler might have been fucking around with. So it's very possible that Eva Brown's early suicide attempts in 32 and 35 were because she was a teenager hooking up in the angry man in his 40s who played mind games with

her and fucked around on the slide. Yeah, no, I mean, not all that, uh, that tracks. J-J-J tracks so much better than sexual serial killer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Now, Eva Brown makes- is someone who I've never really had makes sense to me as a historical character before, but she makes so much sense if you think of her as a sensitive, artistic, young woman dating a really, really abusive dude that she's in love with. Eric Kempah, another Hitler chauffeur, called her the unhappiest woman in Germany. I really like Eva Brown as portrayed by the offer Jane Tine. Now Jane is a romance writer, mostly romantic historical fiction from what I can tell, but

she's also written some serious historic essays. And the one of her that I read was pretty good. I like the way she presents Eva because as a general rule, brilliant as they are, most of the great Hitler biographers are male and kind of at getting into Eva Brown's head even a little bit. So I'm going to read a quote from Jane kind of describing Eva Brown a little differently than I'd heard to describe before.

Quote, from Eva's letters, we learned that her parents disapproved and that Hitler would frequently ignore her in public, merely passing her an envelope of money until the end of the evening. When she was finally allotted a room in the Berlin Chancellery, she was forced to use a back entrance in case anyone saw her. Hitler and his henchmen tried their hardest to keep Eva out of the spotlight and forbade any picture of her to be published because they were keen to project the idea that he was married to Germany.

Yet Eva herself ensured the opposite for posterity. She was an early adopter of cinefilm and made endless home movies. Today she would have been constantly on Facebook, Instagramming her meals and taking selfies at the burqaf. One of her more astonishing ambitions was to star one day in a biopic of her life with the man she always called Wolf. So yeah, she's, yeah. Sounds like a pretty normal teenager, dating a famous guy.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I also like what Jane has to say about the Hitler is weird at sex myths, because I think what she says rings true with an awful lot of the other research I've read. It is impossible to peer behind the bedroom door, but suggestions that Hitler was sexually avoid because of his obsession with hygiene is contradicted by observers of the time who suggests that Hitler and Eva did share a bed as a couple. They are interconnecting bedrooms at the Berghof in Hitler's Valet.

Heinzling attests that they would go to bed together. While Hitler is made, Pauline Kohler wrote that Hitler is not strongly sexed, Eva Brown's correspondence reveals nothing unusual, certainly not on the lines of fully clothed sex. Except that once war had broken out, Hitler was unable to get interested. She used to show her friends a 1938 photograph of Neville Chamberlain on a sofa in Hitler's Munich flat, saying, if only he knew what going on that sofa has seen. Like, we fucked on the sofa and then the prime minister of England said on it.

That sounds like a normal teenager. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So if you're still on the fence, if you're still on team Hitler was a kind of demonic sexual force rather than just a gross shitty dude who went up the power through cunning and luck

and the cowardice of arrogant men. Well, I'd like to read one more Hitler story. Mimi Reader came back to Hitler after their 1931 liaison. This was in 1934 when Hitler was in power. Gellie had been dead for three years. Her room had been turned into a shrine and Hitler was unofficially with Eva Brown. Now, Eva doesn't live with him at this point because of course he's got to appear married to Germany.

That old ball and chain. That old ball and chain. That old ball and chain. That old ball and chain. This gave D'Aurre the ability to invite Mimi in when she knocked on his door. I'm going to quote from explaining Hitler's write-up of Mimi's recollections. Quote, once again, the relationship came to life. Once again, he asked her to stay with him as his lover. She insists she will not be part of an illicit relationship.

She wanted to be married and to have children. Suddenly, Hitler had a fit of rage. He shouted, Why do you women only think of having children? He kept shouting. It was around 3 a.m. that he could not take care of a woman. He shouted that he had a big mission to fulfill.

They argued for two more hours than they departed. Never to see each other again. Woo! Yeah. Dodged. Several bullets, Mimi. You really did. And. Woo! Yeah. Dodge several bullets, Mimi. You really did. And it, yeah.

It's also so crazy, because that's like, okay, you're going after women that are raised in convinced, motherfucker, like the only purpose for sex in the Catholic church is procreation. Yep. And then you're mad at them. Like, you taught all the same shit. Oh, God.

Yeah, I think what like maybe Hitler was in the poop and pee and maybe he liked sex with clothes on, maybe not. At the end of the day, the overwhelming picture I'm left with of Hitler is that he was the same like every woman has dated a shitty guy. Oh yeah. Just like Hitler. They just didn't wind up in charge of the country.

Yeah, exactly. He's like a selfish fucking idiot dude that needs to go to therapy. He's selfish, he's famous, and he's gonna take as much advantage of that as he can. He's a habitual liar because he's fucking Hitler. And he's emotionally abusive, and he screams when he doesn't get his way.

Yeah. Yeah, he's a gaslighting piece of shit. Yeah. Like, he's a gaslighting piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah, he's a, yeah, Hitler turns out piece of shit. Hitler turns out piece of shit, but not like, of course he's a bad person, but he's not, like what's scarier to me about this is that, like, there's nothing special about him.

Yeah, he's just classic piece of shit. He's just a normal piece of shit. Yeah, it's nothing out of the ordinary. And that means like the good thing that means is that like we as human beings will never deal with supernatural evil settling down upon the world and forcing a nightmare regime on us.

But it also means that there's millions of guys like this walking around who if they ever got into gotten to power, this is that kind of potential. Oh exactly. This is the blueprint for those kind of guys. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why when you look at the fucking evolution of in-cell culture on the internet, they're really in the Nazis. Yeah. And they're really in the ISIS too. They love them both. No, yeah. They love the murder and the hatred and like the ability to do violence on like a world You feel is wrong to you and yeah, they all have issues with women and none of them fuck Yeah, and none of them like ask why a woman might not be into them immediately

They all have that reaction when like a buddy is like maybe just learned to dance or whatever like a buddy is like maybe just learned to dance or whatever. I feel not learned to dance. I feel not learned to dance. That's the fucking Hitler I want people to like think about when they imagine what kind of man could do the things he did. It's the kind of guy whose friend is like, well maybe learned to dance and that girl who likes dancing will be interested in you and he just starts screaming.

Yeah, like there's, as if I could improve. Yeah, exactly. I'm already a perfect being. I am a perfect being. Me 14 year old, horny Hitler is. Oh, God. Yeah, no, that's kind of Hitler. Yeah, I mean, fucking Hitler.

He's the worst. I mean, but he's not. Is the thing. Exactly. Yeah, he's not. He's like, he's perfectly average. Yeah, he's a perfectly average shitty person who wound up in a position of power

and did the kind of things that like, comparing him to a serial killer is wrong. Comparing him to one of these in-cell kids who goes on a mass shooting rampage or drives a van into a sorority house or whatever to kill, that's who to compare him to. Yeah, that's much more accurate for sure. And I think that is one way to look at sort of the Holocaust

is that like it was a reaction of like anger at not winning this war and wanting to do as much damage as you could. And there's like an attitude of that about like the destruction of Berlin that like the reason he didn't pull out of Berlin or the reason he didn't surrender and just shoot himself that way and spare the city and people is he was like no, we're going to lose all of us are going to die. Yeah, fuck Germany.

Taking everybody with me. You didn't fight hard enough for me. Exactly, that was literally, like some of the shit he was saying, is that if Germany doesn't win, we deserve to be destroyed. Yeah, yeah. Like, he's just a shitty, angry little prick

with a temper who, you know, if, if, I mean, fuck it, man, like, to get really dark on you, maybe in a society where young men like that go on mass shooting sprees, they're less likely to become Hitler. I don't know if that's good or whatever, but Hitler doesn't have that option and just becomes Hitler. We're in dark territory here, but I do think he's that kind of guy. Yeah, well, and it's also like, it's being raised to think that you were special and then having that lie.

Yeah. Because nobody's special. There's no blame people in the planet. No, nobody's special. There's a lot of people out there in there. Well, and that's the big thing about so many of these insult guys is like they're raised to think that they are like the princes of their own little kingdoms.

A lot of mama's boys. A lot of mama's boys. Roosh V that pickup artists might live in and his mom's basement. Oh yeah. Talking about how the Jews are behind everything like Just keeps happening. Well, and then they're mad at they desperately need a woman, but they're mad at a woman because They think a woman sees them as weak because they need them to feel special. Yeah Yeah, the idea that like a relationship would have given take and you both have things to teach each other

Yeah, like he doesn't want to be taught anything. No, no, no, no, no. He just wants pure allegiance. Yeah, which is why he goes after 16-year-olds. Yeah, probably why his dad went after 16-year-olds. Absolutely. Repeatedly. Yeah, it's a power trip.

It's a power trip. Yeah, you don't want an equal of any kind. No. Fucking coward. That's terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

No, just a real piece of shit. So if you've ever wondered what happens if you give one of those in cells on Reddit the most powerful military force in continental Europe, it was World War Two. Yeah. That's what happens. Yeah. No, exactly. They'll just keep pushing. howdy Hitler Yeah, so teacher sons to dance teacher sons to dance and That's the only thing we've learned today. Yeah, teacher sons to dance Good dance if you want to yeah make make sure if you vote for someone they don't date teenagers At the very least at the very least at the very least Yeah, I'm not dating teenagers because that's how you get not dating teenagers. Because that's how you get hitlers.

That's how you get hitlers. Don't let them fuck their niece. Yeah. Yeah. Can you make eye contact with a woman of your age without being filled with rage? Yeah, yeah. Are you capable of like having a conversation

with a woman without screaming? Yeah, exactly. So it's also a capable of like seeing your dog misbehaved without beating it and choking it and scaring a teenager. Yep, Hitler. God, just kind of mad. Those German Shepherd didn't finish the job early. Yeah, no, I mean, it was a goat that supposedly bit off his dick.

Yeah, which that goat, it just was that goat ate the whole Hitler. Yeah, it was that goat that just... It was that goat ate the whole Hitler. Yeah, exactly. Chew that tin can up. Spent them out. Oh, how different the world would be if you just had like a weird... Did you know that back in like the 1909, a goat ate a boy? What if like in the future the only animals that can time travel or goats? So we did try to kill Hitler, but he only bit his dick on us.

The goat only just got part of his dick. It was, and we actually just really made it worse than it was in the first place. Yeah, it would have been fine otherwise. He would have just went on to become a, I don't know, like a, like a sub and a dungeon. Yeah, I feel like that's the thing Hitler might have been happy with.

Yeah, absolutely. Really got him in touch with his demons. Yeah, for sure. He just wanted to be whipped. That's why he carried a whip with him everywhere. Yeah, absolutely. Really got him in touch with his demons. Yeah, for sure. He just wanted to be whipped. That's why he carried a whip with him everywhere. Yeah, yeah. Somebody with me, please. Admitting that takes some courage though.

It does. It does. I mean, it still does in 2019. You know, like it's the more open people can be about the kinks and stuff like that. The more open, sexually, the world can be and more accepting than I think the less. That's why I say this every day. I say it a lot to my roommates, to police officers

during traffic stops, more dominatrixes. Yeah. The only thing that will protect us for more hitters. Truly. Absolutely. That's I think the note we're going to end on Brandy. You're going to plug your plug-ables. Yeah. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at brand dazzle.

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Past guests have included people like Karen Coguerra, or French Stewart, or Margaret Cho. It's a really, really fun podcast. And then I have a monthly show here in Los Angeles on the second Saturday of every month called Picture This. And that's a show that I've hosted for six years where we pair up comedians with animators. Live the animate your jokes behind you during your set. It's like you riffing within your own bits and we get like really insane artists to come to the show all the time. Like we've had Pendleton Ward from Adventure Time,

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That's a set of 430 for no good reason. Oh boy. But yeah, those are my plugs. Come see me and all the shit guys. Well, if you currently know a young man who you worried is going down a hitlery path, tune them into those shows. Maybe open up his mind a little bit.

Listen to some progressive comedy. Get him some dance lessons. Come on, listen to my podcast. A couple of men, I'm here, a couple of men laugh at themselves and you know, realize that it's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Get him out there. Just get him out. Or hire a goat to bite his dick off. Either way, you know, it's up to you to fight the hitlers in your life. We all encounter a couple of hitlers out there. Hey, time traveling goats listening out there. Finish the job next time. Finish the job and retroactively render this episode pointless.

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