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00:00What would you do if a secret cabal of the most powerful folks in the United States told you,hey, let's start a coup? Back in the 1930s, a Marine named Smedley Butler was all that stoodbetween the U.S. and fascism. I'm Ben Bullitt. I'm Alex French. And I'm Smedley Butler. Joinus for this sordid tale of ambition, treason, and what happens when evil tycoons have too muchtime on their hands. Listen to Let's Start a Coup on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast,or wherever you find your favorite shows. Did you know Lance Bass is a Russian trained astronaut?That he went through training in a secret facility outside Moscow, hoping to become theyoungest person to go to space? Well, I ought to know because I'm Lance Bass. And I'm hosting a new
00:46podcast that tells my crazy story and an even crazier story about a Russian astronaut who foundhimself stuck in space with no country to bring him down. With the Soviet Union collapsing aroundhim, he orbited the earth for 313 days that changed the world. Listen to The Last Soviet onthe iHeart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.What if I told you that much of the forensic science you see on shows like CSIisn't based on actual science and the wrongly convicted pay a horrific price?Two death sentences in a life without parole. My youngest, I was incarcerated two days afterher first birthday. Listen to CSI on trial on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever
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02:49to share our podcast, Time Out, a production of iHeart podcasts and Hello Sunshine. Repealingback the layers around why society makes it so easy to guard men's time like it's diamonds and treatwomen's time like it's infinite, like sand. And so whether you're partnered with or without childrenor in a career where you want more boundaries, this is the place for you, for people of allfamily structures. So take this time out with us to learn, get inspired, and most importantly,reclaim your time. Listen to Time Out, a fair play podcast on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts,or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let you knowthis is a compilation episode. So every episode of the week that just happened is here in one
03:40convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to listen to in a long stretch if you want.If you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, there's gonna be nothing new herefor you, but you can make your own decisions. You crack open a Dr. Pepper. You know it'll onlymake you more thirsty in the long run, but you need some liquid in your mouth and you're savingyour remaining 15 gallons for a quick shower. The U-Haul is finally almost packed up. You may beable to make it down to San Francisco in time. Living in Redwood Valley has been nice the lastfew years. It's a beautiful place, but in August of 2022, the drought became too much.Late last year, California's new far-right governor lifted all water restrictions on farmers.
04:21This sparked a new statewide race to use what water was available before it ran out.Lake Mendocino was already low at the beginning of the year, and for the first time in your memory,it is now completely empty. San Francisco isn't doing great either, but it's much better offthan where you live. The Russian River watershed relies almost entirely on rainfall and is isolatedfrom state and federal aqueducts. After the governor lifted water restrictions, new almond and potfarms started sucking up groundwater, and by the end of the summer, they'd started pumping from theriver to feed their thirsty crops. By mid-July, your town implemented a 25-gallon limit per personper day. That's about as much water as you go through during a five-minute shower. The first
05:00thing you sacrificed was your garden, then you stopped flushing after you peed. These tweaksadded up, though, and without water, the lifestyle you'd loved just stopped being possible. Yourbrother in San Francisco offered to let you move in with him. You weren't a fan of the big city,but at least you'd be able to shower again. And so you find yourself sipping an empty soda canand loading up your last few boxes into the U-Haul. You give your brother a quick call,saying you're all packed up and about to head out. He sounds worried and mentions somethingabout his school letting new teachers go due to budget cuts. You can't really afford to thinkabout that now. You just need to leave. Since you're all sweaty from loading the U-Haul the last
05:38few days, you decide to hop into the shower one last time. You knew it wouldn't last long,but you still seemed surprised when the water turned off after what felt like only two minutes.You quickly dry off and grab some clean clothes from your backpack and throw your damp towelinto the passenger seat of the truck. You say goodbye to your home of 10 years and to yourold succulent plants. And begin the three-hour drive down to San Francisco.Water scarcity is a problem you're probably already familiar with, especially if you livein the Southwest. California has dealt with particularly brutal droughts over the last 20years, and the Golden State's water problems could be about to get much, much worse. Because in just
06:18a few days, California might find itself helmed by a far-right governor with a near religioushatred of water conservation. Electoral politics are not generally a big focus on this show,but what's going on in the state of California could have serious implications for many people,including those outside the West Coast. The ongoing recall campaign against Governor GavinNewsom started out in June of 2020 with Republican politicians and activists unhappy with Newsom'shandling of the pandemic. Newsom's opposition to President Trump's crackdown on undocumentedimmigrants also played a role. This is actually the fifth recall attempt against Newsom since hetook office in 2019, but it's the first one to gain traction. It's fueled in part by Newsom's own
07:00hypocrisy and hubris. On November 6, 2020, the recall effort gained court approval for a signaturegathering extension. And later that night, Governor Newsom went to a birthday party for a Sacramentolobbyist and friend at French Laundry, a pricey Napa Valley restaurant. Soon after, photos surfacedof Newsom mingling maskless at the packed restaurant. He faced heavy criticism and apologized,but the damage was done. Republicans latched onto this as an opportunity to finally pushthe recall effort through. The recall petition, which had only 55,588 signatures on the day of thedinner, had nearly half a million a month after the November 6 incident. California's recallprocess is probably the least democratic one in the United States. Gathering signatures to
07:44authorize a recall election is a pretty standard thing, but California has among the lowestsignature requirements and states that allow for the recall of an official. Most states requirethat the recall campaign must gather signatures equal to 25% of the votes cast in the last election.California requires just 12% for executive officials. The LA Times notes, quote,That might have been a high bar in 1911 when the population was scattered across the 770-milelength of the state, but is it too low in 2021 when petitions for ballot measures are gathereden masse by paid staff and parking lots? And that's not the only questionable aspect ofCalifornia's recall process. On recall election day, voters will face two questions on the ballot.
08:25First, yes or no on whether to recall Governor Gavin Newsom from office. Second, and this one istechnically optional. If so, who among the 46 candidates do you want to take his place?The first question is decided by a simple majority, just like other ballot measures. But when it comesto the second question, the percentage requirements change. The replacement candidate doesn't needmore than 50% to win. So if more than 50% of the voters say yes on the recall question, GovernorNewsom must step down even if he has more overall support than any other individual challengeron the ballot. The replacement question is determined by who gets the most votes amongthe challengers on the ballot, which Newsom cannot be on. So 49.9% of the voters can back
09:07Mr. Newsom and he can still lose to someone who is supported by only, say, 20% of the electorate,or even a smaller fraction. For other California elections, including special elections triggeredby the death or resignation of an official, a candidate cannot win without the support of amajority of voters. If a candidate doesn't win over 50% outright, then the top two compete in arunoff election, not the case for California's recall process. Organizers of the recall campaignsubmitted 2.1 million signatures by the March 17th filing deadline. 1,719,900 signatureswere ultimately determined to have been valid, which was enough to trigger the recall.The deadline for casting your vote is September 14th. If the recall succeeds, the new governor
09:50would be in office for the remainder of Mr. Newsom's term through January 2nd, 2023.And that leaves a lot of time for executive fuckery, especially considering the new frontrunner.Far right radio talk show host and frequent Fox guest Larry Elder has emerged as the likelycandidate to replace Newsom in the event the recall goes through. Elder, who was 69, jumped into therace relatively late in the game during mid-July. At that time, it was more of a toss-up betweenRepublican candidates Kevin Falconer, a former San Diego mayor and businessman John Cox, who lostbadly to Newsom in the 2018 gubernatorial election. Assemblyman Kevin Kiley, and former athlete inmedia personality Caitlyn Jenner, polled less well. But as Larry Elder entered the race, he almost
10:33immediately became the frontrunner in polls and raised lots of money from small donors.In the three weeks after he announced his campaign, he raised nearly $4.5 million,according to fundraising disclosures. That's more than every other Republican challenger,sans multimillionaire businessman John Cox, who's largely funding his own campaign. Elder has beena central figurehead of the right-wing radio talk show scene since the 90s, but has always beenhesitant to run for public office, deeming the state of California ungovernable due to its liberalsupermajority. But after talking with his friend and mentor, Dennis Prager, of the neo-fascistpropaganda outlet PragerU, he figured it might be worth a shot and has expressed desire to use
11:13the emergency powers of the governor to push the state rightwards. Elder was born in Los Angeles,but moved to Cleveland to attend law school and opened his own firm in 1980. Elder's career beganas a bit of an accident. He'd been invited on a Cleveland station as a guest. He did so well onair that, when the regular host went on vacation the following week, the program director askedElder to fill in. Soon enough, Elder had his own weekly time slot on the Cleveland station.In the early 90s, a guest host from Los Angeles, Dennis Prager, visited Cleveland. Elder quicklyimpressed Prager with his on-air wit and talent, coupled with the uniqueness of a black man openlyexpressing extreme conservative views. Prager persuaded his home station, KABC in Los Angeles,
11:54to give Elder a shot. Quoting the LA Times, Elder returned to his hometown in 1994, two years afterthe civil unrest following the acquittal of the officers who beat Rodney King and in the midstof the O.J. Simpson murder case. The program director at Rival KFI, David G. Hall, felt KABCmade a creative move, bringing on this guy from South Central who swung the other way on race.Almost from the beginning, the self-proclaimed Sage from South Central whipped up a furor.He mixed sound bites from representative Maxine Waters with a recording of a barking dog. He said,blacks exaggerate the significance of racism, while women did the same in regards to sexism.For nearly four years, Elder has slapped many members of his own race in the face on radio,
12:37belittling them as winers or losers, holding himself up as a model of African American excellence.He's become a darling of white listeners who seem to almost gush when they telephone him onKABC talk radio. They are astonished to find a black man who not only isn't going to chastisethem, but who also often agreed with them, a black man who declared that race was no longer asignificant factor in American society. Elder also doesn't believe that racial profiling exists.This is despite telling the Times editorial board that police pulled him over between 75and 100 times the first year he had his driver's license. Elder's regressive, provocative contentangered many Angelenos and black citizens of California led a boycott of advertisers on the
13:19show. It worked, and by the late 90s the show had begun losing millions in ad revenue. But thanksto syndication, changing networks, podcasts, and TV appearances, Elder has been able to remain acentral figure of the right-wing content sphere. He most recently starred in a video series forfar-right propaganda organization in literal cult, The Epoch Times. According to Elder's campaign,the central recall issues he is focusing on are rampant crime, rising homelessness,out-of-control costs of living, water shortages, disastrous wildfires, rolling brownouts,and repressive COVID restrictions. For this show, we'll be focusing on the last three as they relateto the rapidly shifting and hostile climate. For the past 30 years, Elder has been a classic
14:00conservative climate denier. He had a whole section of his website devoted to debunking theGore Bull warming myth. In a CNN interview prior to the 2008 election, Elder called global warminga false myth while disparaging and making fun of both John McCain and George W. Bush fordiscussing global warming as a serious issue. However, more recently, Elder has shifted hisrhetoric around the climate. In an interview last month, he expressed belief that some warming istaking place, but by using old, soft, denialist talking points. Climate is always changing.Of course, the climate is changing. The question is, what do we do about it? Do we deal with theeffects of it? Or do we force-feed a renewables-based economy down the throats of people, jacking up the
14:41price of energy, a disproportionate pain for poor people? But of course, there's climate change,and the climate is getting warmer and maybe about a degree or so in the last several years,and it will likely continue. He adds, what I don't believe in is climate change alarmism.He also said that he was not sure whether climate change is making wildfires worse.Quote, fires have gotten worse because the failure of this governor to engage in sensible firesuppression. Elder also blames California's rising housing costs on environmental extremiststhat jack up the cost of housing so that developers have to wait and wait and get sued over andover again so that finally when the home is built, it's way more expensive than otherwise it would
15:15be without these environmental rules and regulations. Despite the slight backpedaling on climate forbetter media optics, his potential policies on the topic are just as horrendous as one mightassume. In a recent video news conference, Elder declared that he would end the war on oil and gasand the attack on the logging industry while also reducing regulation on fracking and stoppingCalifornia's growing efforts to expand wind and solar power, which he calls not very efficient.Elder did not mention climate change during his news conference.Water scarcity will be an increasingly severe concern for California in the coming years.Drought is already a major political talking point among voters and politicians,
15:52and it creates another rift between city folk and rural farmers. Farmers are having a hardertime growing crops and feel threatened by water rationing. They're frustrated by the thoughtthat the Democrats running cities will always prioritize pumping extra water into populationdense areas. Meanwhile, people in cities are concerned that will be forced to cut back onpersonal water use as almond farmers suck up tons of water to feed their droops.Just building more dams and water catchment systems or aquifers may seem like a solution,and if done properly some of those things might help, but they can't make up for a lack of rainfalland snowmelt. Relying on river water has its own problems. Pulling too much from fresh water that
16:29flows through rivers allows for extra salt water to intrude from the bay and ocean.Salinity in the water negatively impacts local ecosystems and dirties what is supposed to bea freshwater source. Drought is simultaneously pushing migratory fish species like Chinook salmonand steelhead trout closer to the brink of extinction. Large numbers of fish are dyingoff because the rivers they rely on as spawning habitats are too warm or too low.Anxiety around water, droughts, and crops are among the issues driving some people to vote yeson the recall. A poll conducted last July by the Public Policy Institute of California found thatresidents cited drought and water supply as their top environmental concern, with about 25% calling
17:09it their chief concern, which makes it poll well above the related problems of wildfires, airpollution, and climate change. Republican politicians have been using anxiety arounddrought to drum up support for the recall by blaming the current situation on Newsom.The original recall petition against Newsom from early in 2020 warned that the governor,quote, seeks to impose additional burdens on our state, including rationing our water use.Last April, Governor Newsom did declare a drought emergency in two northwest California counties.The order allowed state officials to restrict the amount of water diverted from the Russian riverand authorized the relocation of fish stranded in drying puddles. The local county government
17:47asked residents to use no more than 50 gallons per day per person. But Newsom himself hasn'tmandated water rationing for individual consumers, though he has asked Californians to voluntarilycut consumption by 15% and has suggested that statewide restrictions could be on the tableif conditions worsened heading into the fall. Newsom and the Department of Water Resourcesas a whole do have ideas in mind for tackling this issue. Last year, Newsom authorized an$11 billion dollar water infrastructure project, building a single 30-mile tunnel under the SacramentoSan Joaquin River Delta. The project, which has been discussed for years, is being pushed forwardin hopes that it will protect the Delta's existing wetland ecosystem and supply enough fresh clean
18:28water to be diverted south for the rest of the state. But the tunnel concept has faced opposition,both locally and from conservation-minded folks. Some residents in the Delta region see it asjust a water grab to meet the demands of southern California and the agriculture industry,while the needs of those up north are being ignored. Ecologically focused critics say itcould still increase salinity in the Delta and result in notable harm for the ecosystem.Newsom has more recently discussed other action and legislation to help mitigate the continueddrought, quoting the San Francisco Chronicle. In July, the governor signed a state budget thatincludes $5.1 billion over four years for new water infrastructure and drought preparation
19:06projects, including money to repair delivery canals, help farmers irrigate crops more efficiently,and start water recycling projects. Still, Newsom's recent actions have done little toquell anger among many farmers who say the state's failure to plan for another majordrought just a few years after it exited the last one has put them on the brink of ruin.Ernest Buddy Mendes, a lifelong farmer in Fresno County and Republican Countysupervisor, said he was forced to let hundreds of acres where he used to grow cotton and wheatdry up this year after his allotment of river water was slashed to zero. He's relying ongroundwater pumped from wells to keep his grove of almond trees alive. Mendes said he hasn't decided
19:41whom to support as a replacement candidate in the recall, just that he will vote hell yeah toremove Newsom. Let's face it, Newsom, dam is a four-letter word, Mendes said. We haven't doneanything in 20 years about building storage. California already does have one of the mostextensive dam systems in the country, with nearly 1,500 reservoirs. Building new on-riffer dams wouldcost billions of dollars if such efforts even survive legal challenges, which are all butguaranteed amid the struggle to save endangered fish species. There are not many areas left thatwould make sense or be sustainable to build a new large reservoir. One other, more cost-effectivesolution could be to store more water collected during wet years and underground aquifers.
20:21One of the solutions to this problem is the same as the solution to a number of other climate-relatedproblems, which is that we simply have to cut the amount of resources we're consuming, whetherthat means reducing our energy use or cutting down on wasteful water use. You can only build so manydams. The trend of California farmers growing thirstier crops has made an existing problemmuch worse. Today, the state produces three times as many acres of almonds as it did 25 years ago.With California most likely entering a third straight year of disappointing rainfall andsnowmelt, anxiety around drought and increased severity of water restrictions won't get anybetter. And if the La Nina weather pattern hits the west coast as it's poised to, that would mean
21:00the western U.S. will have a drier and hotter winter than average. Last August, water regulators madean unprecedented move to begin cracking down on water use in the sprawling Sacramento Riverand San Joaquin River water sheds. Ordering 4,500 farmers, water districts, and other landowners,including the city of San Francisco, to stop drawing water from the basins of the river orface penalties of up to $10,000 a day. The city has enough water in its reservoirs to meet demandfor at least a couple of years, and stored water is not affected by the state restrictions.Water agencies also can seek an exemption from curtailments of human health or safety or compromised.This does hit rural areas and agriculture the hardest because most cities have alternative
21:39supplies and stored water to tap into. Looking to attract voters, Larry Elder and other Republicanchallengers to Newsom have made it a recurring point to say that farmers should not have toendure such cuts. But they don't really give any perspective solutions to prevent rationingwhen water levels at reservoirs. During the summer of 2020, some Americans suspected that the FBIhad secretly infiltrated the racial justice demonstrations. And you know what? They were right.I'm Trevor Aronson, and I'm hosting a new podcast series, Alphabet Boys.As the FBI sometimes, you gotta grab the little guy to go after the big guy.Each season will take you inside an undercover investigation.
22:23In the first season of Alphabet Boys, we're revealing how the FBI spied on protestersin Denver. At the center of this story is a raspy-voiced, cigar-smoking man who drives a silverhearse. And inside his hearse was like a lot of guns. He's a shark, and not in the good badass way.He's a nasty shark. He was just waiting for me to set the date, the time, and then for sure hewas trying to get it to heaven. Listen to Alphabet Boys on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts,or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Lance Bass, and you may know me from a littleband called NSYNC. What you may not know is that when I was 23, I traveled to Moscow to trainto become the youngest person to go to space. And when I was there, as you can imagine,
23:12I heard some pretty wild stories. But there was this one that really stuck with me.About a Soviet astronaut who found himself stuck in space with no country to bring him down.It's 1991, and that man, Sergei Krekalev, is floating in orbit when he gets a message thatdown on Earth, his beloved country, the Soviet Union, is falling apart. And now he's leftdefending the Union's last outpost. This is the crazy story of the 313 days he spent in space,313 days that changed the world. Listen to The Last Soviet on the iHeart radio app,Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.What if I told you that much of the forensic science you see on shows like CSI
24:06isn't based on actual science? The problem with forensic science in the criminal legal systemtoday is that it's an awful lot of forensic and not an awful lot of science. And the wrongly convictedpay a horrific price. Two death sentences in a life without parole. My youngest,I was incarcerated two days after her first birthday. I'm Molly Herman. Join me as we putforensic science on trial to discover what happens when a match isn't a match and when there's noscience in CSI. How many people have to be wrongly convicted before they realizethat this stuff's all bogus. It's all made up. Listen to CSI on trial on the iHeart radio app,Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
24:58Or as lakes and wells are all plummeting. Larry Elders said drought is not inevitable and saidhe supports building more reservoirs and dams to store runoff. But he has also voiced support forpermitting desalination projects. Desalination devastates ocean life, costs much more thanother alternatives, and uses tons of energy. Also soon it will be made obsolete by increasingfocus on water recycling. Explaining desalination quickly, ocean water is collected and run throughpipes to remove the largest solids and then pumped through reverse osmosis filters to remove salt,while fish and other creatures die upon being sucked in or just from the force of the water flow.In a report studying a desalination plant in the early 2000s, it was found that on average over a
25:39five-year period, 19.4 billion larvae were caught up at intakes and about 2.7 million fish, alongwith marine mammals and sea turtles, were killed by intake equipment. For every gallon of drinkingwater, desalination leaves another gallon of salty brine behind. The plants then just mix that withtwo parts ocean water before pumping it back into the ocean. These measures can negativelyimpact the environment for this generation and generations to come. This type of resourceextractive thinking reflects how we got into the problem in the first place. Battling over waterallotments will only get us so far when dealing with lackluster rainfall. What can help is permacultureprograms to help farmers learn ways to irrigate more effectively and cultivate healthier soils
26:20that retain water. Moving away from water-heavy crops like almonds and towards more sustainableand moisture-efficient crops must also be done if we want to stave off the worst effects.Putting Larry Elder in office won't make it rain, but it will put the state at least another yearfurther behind on taking the kind of action necessary to ensure California remains habitable.Listen in as our guests reveal their business models, hardships and triumphs in their respectivefields. The knowledges in death and the questions are always delivered from your standpoint. Wewant to know what you want to know. We talk to the legends of business sports and entertainmentabout how they got their start and most importantly how they make their money. Ernie Elysia is a
27:23college business class mixed with pop culture. Want to learn about the real estate game,unclear as to how the stock market works? We got you. Interested in starting a trucking companyor a vending machine business? Not really sure about how taxes or credit work? We got it all covered.The Ernie Elysia Podcast is available now. Listen to Ernie Elysia on the Black EffectPodcast Network, iHeart Radio App, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.They know what happened on camera obviously, but we can tell them all the good stuff thathappened off camera. Get all the juicy details of every episode that you've been wondering aboutfor decades as 90210 superfan and radio host Sissony sits in with Jenny and Tori to reminisce,
28:26reflect and relive each moment from Brandon and Kelly's first kiss to shouting, Donna Martin graduates.You have an amazing memory. You remember everything about the entire 10 years that we filmed thatshow and you remember absolutely nothing of the 10 years that we filmed that show. Listen to 90210MGon the iHeart Radio App, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.Though it wasn't all bad. I'm gonna be real if you take. I like you. But now,all signs point to a new serial killer in Hollow Falls. If this game is just starting,you better believe I'm gonna win. I'm Tig Torres and this is Lethal Lit. Catch up on Season 1 ofthe Hit Murder Mystery Podcast, Lethal Lit, a Tig Torres mystery, out now and then tune in for
29:40all new thrills in Season 2, dropping weekly starting February 9th. Subscribe now to nevermiss an episode. Listen to Lethal Lit on the iHeart Radio App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get yourpodcasts. The last few months in San Francisco have been, honestly, better than you expected.Still hot and dry, but now that you're in fall, the heat has become manageable. In the Bay Area,at least. Staying with your brother has been actually really nice. The first few showers feltlike luxury. Recently, he's had less of a good time. He found out he was getting laid off rightbefore the school year started. He told me over 15,000 other teachers have been fired as a part ofthe governor's new reform schools program. The teacher's union is fighting it, but your brother
30:25isn't too optimistic regarding the outcome. He's been looking for new work, and meanwhile,you've gotten a shitty retail job to help with bills, while you decide on what hospitals youwant to apply to. You don't really miss your old EMS job in Redwood Valley. When you finally do getback into medical care, you'd really prefer something in a hospital or clinic setting,as opposed to the extra stress inherent in emergency services. The one chance you have hadto use your medical skills since moving was during the fires last September and October. Back upnorth, they got really bad, and hundreds of thousands of people evacuated down south. Someold activist friends of yours from college made their own fire relief slash mutual aid set up
31:08to give out clothes and food and to help people displaced by the fires. You haven't talked muchwith your old college buddies in the past few years, but upon hearing of the relief effort,you happily offered up your skills to help with minor medical issues in a small medic tent theyset up. It was the first time you've helped with anything related to protests organizingsince you moved up to Redwood Valley 10 years ago. It was oddly refreshing. Politics hasn't been amajor part of your life since college, but speaking of politics, midterms are finally this month.The past year has felt like it stretched on forever. Your brother and his union buddies havebeen doing canvassing for a few progressive city council candidates that might actually get a
31:49shot at getting in. You haven't had time to adjust to San Francisco's local political scene,and honestly, you're not sure if you really care to. You have been keeping half an eye on the bigstate electoral races, though, which feels kind of weird. You know there's no way the Republicangovernor will get reelected, not here in California. One thing that has gotten you worried is the weeklyanti-election fraud rallies that have been happening in LA ever since October. The governor,surrounded by state troopers, has made it down himself a few times to drum up support from hisfan base. And after the rallies, roving gangs of far-right extremists have gone around randomlyattacking homeless encampments. You heard that just last week after a Sunday rally,
32:32three people had to be rushed to the emergency room. It's now just a week before Election Day.You're on the bus home from your job at the vintage clothing store when you receive a messageon signal from one of your old college mutual aid buddies you met up with again during thefire relief effort. The message reads, hey, are you free on Election Day? You hadn't really thoughtabout the day itself. You respond, maybe, nothing really planned yet. Your friend replies with afat wall of text. My affinity group and I are heading down to LA on Tuesday. There's a bigStop the Steel type rally happening, and word is, lots of proud boys are going to show up.Comrades in LA have put out some calls for support, so my crew is going to go down and probably bring
33:17some medical stuff. If you want to come, we got an extra seat in the van. The thought of drivingdown to Los Angeles to deal with proud boys doesn't excite you, especially on an alreadystressful day. You think about it for a few minutes. Images of the people maimed duringand after the recent rallies floods your mind. Your buddies know more about organizing andprotests than you do, but you have more medical training. You decide you'll do it. You reply,I'll come with, and pack some extra iFACs and tourniquets.Among the issues Republican recall challengers have raised to attack Newsom,force mismanagement has leaned large among the recent complaints. This type of thing
34:04harkens back to Trump's old habit of blaming the governor and not raking enough leaves forCalifornia's fiery plight. On a larger scale, this can be seen as part of an effort to pushall the blame of wildfires off of oil gas and our transformation of the climate,and onto a simple lack of fire prevention measures. This narrative of course makes thefossil fuel industry more happy. The thing is, all of these things are contributing factors forCalifornia's wildfire problem. Climate change caused hotter temperatures and droughtsmakes fires easier to catch and spread, and inadequate force management plus above groundpower lines do the same. Just because there are bad faith attacks on Newsom doesn't mean there
34:48aren't actual failures he's made as governor, especially in relation to the forests.An investigation from CAP Radio and California MPR published last June found out Newsom hadgrossly misrepresented and flat out lied about his promises of new wildfire prevention efforts.Elements of the piece were of course used by Larry Elder in the right to push for support of therecall, but the article itself is a very fine piece of journalism. Back when Newsom first tookoffice in January of 2019, one of the first things he did was sign an executive orderoverhauling how California handles wildfire prevention and forest management. The measuresincluded removal of hazardous dead trees, vegetation clearing, creation of fuel breaks and community
35:34defensible spaces, and creation of ingress and egress corridors. In January 2020, a year afterNewsom's initial announcement, the governor's office claimed in a press release that under theexecutive order's priority projects, 90,000 acres got treated with these fire prevention measures.But according to data obtained by CAP Radio and MPR, the actual number of acres treatedby these priority projects was only 11,399, just 13% of the number Newsom boasted about.Quoting the piece by CAP Radio, quote, data shows Cal Fire's fuel reduction outputdropped by half in 2020 to levels below Governor Jerry Brown's final year in office.At the same time, Newsom slashed roughly $150 million from Cal Fire's wildfire prevention
36:23budget. In 2020, 4.3 million acres burned, the most in California's recorded history.That was more than double the previous record set in 2018 when the campfire destroyed thetown of Paradise, ultimately killing 85 people. A decade ago, Cal Fire was trading a paltry 17,000acres annually. That number has steadily climbed, though Newsom misrepresented the number of acrestreated in his priority projects, the overall amount of wildfire mitigation work carried out byCal Fire spiked in his first year of office to 64,000 acres. But in 2020, fuel reduction totalsplummeted to less than 32,000 acres, a roughly 50% drop, unquote. Multiple factors contributed to2020's subpar fire prevention and reduction efforts. In 2019, the year with the largest number of acres
37:15treated in recent history, the state budget allotted for $355 million for wildfire preventionand resource management. But after the COVID-19 pandemic hit California in early 2020, Newsomcut the budget by 40%, down to $203 million. On top of the budget cuts, the fires themselvesmade prevention work more challenging. 2020's wildfire season started out early, which resulted inless time to do prescribed burns and thinnings because the same teams that are tasked withprevention and fuel reduction often also service firefighters once the fires break out.As of May 2021, Cal Fire has treated over 23,000 acres throughout the year. This putsCalifornia on a trajectory better than last year's total, but not as high as the 60,000
38:04plus acres treated in 2019. Newsom has been trying to make up for his missteps and grossexaggerations. Quoting the Capradia report again, quote, Newsom is trying to play catch up with thestate enjoying an unexpected surplus. Newsom proposed $2 billion in spending on wildfiresand emergency preparedness, with $1.2 billion going towards wildfire resiliency in the upcomingbudget. Experts say the increase in prevention spending could help the state get closer to aless dangerous wildfire season over time, but they also expressed concern over whether thestate will sustain that commitment for years to come, unquote. Revelations about Newsom's andCal Fire's lies and lackluster force management were quickly jumped on by Larry Elder and other
38:55Republican challengers as an easy way to attack Newsom and to move the conversation about wildfiresaway from climate change. Elder has said he has, quote, unquote, no idea why more prevention andreduction measures aren't being done. And when he becomes governor, he'll be, quote,implementing these commonsensical kinds of plans so that we can reduce the severity of these fires,unquote. Elder has given no concrete plans on what measures he'll be shooting to implementor any indication on how much money will be directed to prevent or fight fires.On another budget, Elder has said that the more recent spending on wind and solar power has left,quote, less money for removing trees and putting power lines underground,
39:37the kind of things that would make these fires less intense, unquote. And he promises to drasticallycut spending on renewables while also investing more in oil and gas. To be clear, Newsom's upcomingbudget contains billions for both fire prevention slash fuel reduction and renewable energy such aswind and solar. Whoever ends up governing California is not only in charge of local politics,like governors and other states. What happens in California affects people across the country andeven globally, whether that's wildfire smoke traveling across continents or changes to supplychains and industry rippling across the world. California is, after all, the world's fifthlargest economy. There are also political ramifications that could affect the states as a whole if
40:25Elder gets an office. The Senate is currently a 50-50 split between Republicans and Democrats,with Vice President Kamala Harris getting the tie-breaking vote. One of California senatorsis 88-year-old Diane Feinstein, the oldest active senator. If she dies in office or has to step downdue to medical reasons before her term is over, the governor of California gets to appoint herreplacement. If Elder appoints a Republican, then the Senate will be back under GOP control,and given his connections to the far-right media sphere, the list of potentials thatElder could appoint is frightening. This is by no means inevitable, even if Elder gets into office.If he does, Feinstein does have the brief opportunity to step down and put a replacement in
41:14before the new governor is sworn into office. However, Feinstein has said she has no plansof doing so. Reports of her declining health have become only more common in recent years,but like many politicians and judges, she is not keen on stepping aside even to possibly help preventa disastrous outcome. Changes in the Senate are not required for horrible outcomes in the wake ofan even brief Elder governorship. His anti-vax sentiments and plan to open up the state andremove basically all COVID restrictions will result in hospitals being pushed to max capacity.Elder has said he has plans to appoint education officials similar to former Secretary BetsyDeVos and judicial appointees like conservative Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Elder
41:59has stated his intention of declaring states of emergency and using executive orders to pushthrough otherwise unpopular legislation. He has discussed plans to declare an educationemergency in order to fire upwards of 21,000 quote-unquote bad teachers. Elder blames teacherunions for quote, protecting bad teachers. And in a recent interview stated quote,someone told me that between 5% and 7% of public school teachers need to be fired.An emergency declaration would give the power to get rid of bad teachers faster than the systemallows. Once you did that, automatically education would improve overnight unquote.Now Elder has not specified who had advised him on teacher terminations or how he plans to weed
42:44out the so-called bad teachers out of the 300,000 in the school system. He's also touted plans todeclare a homeless emergency, but his solutions have nothing to do with actually helping homelesspeople. His homeless emergency declaration would allow him to suspend the CaliforniaEnvironmental Quality Act, the law requiring environmental review of building projects.Elder's stated goal is to unleash developers and contractors without environmental regulation,which he claims quote, treats developers and contractors like criminals unquote,and allows building projects to get suspended indefinitely, ultimately raising the cost ofhousing, in his opinion. One of the more frightening aspects of Larry Elder is his close ties to many
43:31far-right propagandists. He's done work for PragerU, Epic Times, and has been a guest on FoxNews at least 220 times in the past five years. In the last episode we discussed his friendshipwith Dennis Prager. Also Dave Rubin just recently campaigned for Elder at a recent rally, and amonth and a half ago Elder was on Candace Owen's show discussing how the descendants of slave ownersdeserve reparations for having their property, i.e. black people, stolen from them when the slaveswere freed. Those are his words, not mine. What's probably most concerning is Elder's connectionto Stephen Miller. In fact, we wouldn't have Stephen Miller if it were not for Larry Elder.Back in the late 90s, a conservative student from Santa Monica High School would call into Larry
44:20Elder's show to rant about his school's liberal culture. Reportedly, the student would go arounddemanding staff and fellow students regularly recite the Pledge of Allegiance. He railedagainst condom giveaways and called Spanish language announcements quote,a crutch preventing Spanish speakers from standing on their own unquote. Young Californians callinginto Elder's show and agreeing with him wasn't very common, and Elder aided up. He loved talkingwith the student so much that he let the kid on basically any time he wanted a platform to rantand rave. You know where this is going. That student was Stephen Miller. According to Miller,he appeared on Elder's show 69 times throughout his time in high school and university and calls
45:06Elder quote, the one true guide I've always had unquote. Miller's appearances on Elder's radioshow made him a recognizable figure in the larger conservative media world, helping him connectwith Steve Bannon and eventually President Trump. By extension, Elder was Stephen Miller's on rampto the White House. In an email to Miller in 2016, Elder told him quote, I hope to live to see theday when you become president. When media has brought up his friendship with Stephen Miller,Elder tries very quickly to change the subject. When pushed on the topic in a recent interview,Elder shot back with quote, why would you bring up Stephen Miller? I'm just wondering what theagenda here is. What's the point? Am I somehow what, a Nazi, a fascist unquote? I think that says
45:58enough. The reason we haven't discussed the other candidates in the recall election is because atthis point, if Newsom is recalled, it's absolutely certain that Elder will be the one to succeed him.He has a 20 point lead ahead other challengers, but that lead is still only a tiny fraction of thetotal electorate, which demonstrates the part of the problem in California's recall process.There are other Republican challengers with concerning pasts and beliefs,lots of anti-mask, anti-trans, anti-vax, total disbelief and climate change, people spoutingQAnon originated conspiracy claims, advocating the lie that the presidential election was stolen,and there's even a Democrat challenger that plans to use the National Guard
46:40to round up all homeless people and put them in concentration camps. But Elder himself sharesa lot of those views and uses the fact that he's black as a shield for criticism against his racistand nationalist policies and ideas. We haven't even mentioned that last month, Elder's ex-fiancécame out and said that Elder was extremely abusive and had threatened her with a loaded gun.In early August, polls were showing pretty much neck and neck for the first question on the ballot,yes or no on the recall itself. A survey USA pulled from that time even had 40% of respondents voteno on the recall and 51% vote yes to remove Newsom. Throughout August and September, results startedto flip the other direction as ads against the recall hit the airwaves and internet.
47:29The latest survey USA pull has 54% voting no on the recall and 41% voting yes.Other polls hover around the same 10-15 point lead for Newsom staying in office.Now, with polls not going the way Elder and the GOP would like, we're starting to see a new yetfamiliar narrative being prepared. On my website, electElder.com, we have a voter integrity project.We have lawyers all set up already to go to file lawsuits in a timely fashion. The reason the lawsuitsdid not work in the 2020 election, we know what happened there is because the lawsuits were filedtoo late and many of them were dismissed on procedural grounds. Courts don't like to overturnan election, so when you hear of anything suspicious, we've heard a lot of things that have been
48:15suspicious so far, go to electElder.com, we're going to sick our lawyers on them, file lawsuits rightaway, they're going to cheat, we know that, but I'll tell you what, so many people are angry aboutthe crime, about the homelessness, about the way he shut down this state, about the fact that onethird of all small businesses, many of them are owned by black and brown and Asian American peoplethat they care about, about the declining quality of schools, about the fact that people are leaving,rolling brownouts, lack of water, so many people are angry, the number of people that are going tovote to recall this man is going to be so overwhelming so that even when they cheat,they're still going to lose. That's Larry Elder saying that if he doesn't win, that means the
48:54election must have been stolen. Fox News has been promoting the same idea the past month.All of it is in the vein of the Stop the Steel movement post the 2020 presidential election,culminating with the attempted insurrection on January 6th. Here's Elder again on Fox News inearly September. But you're right, I am concerned about voter fraud, and that's why I'm askingpeople to go to electElder.com, that's my website. We have a voter integrity project set up with abunch of lawyers ready to file lawsuits if anybody sees anything suspicious.Big 2020 election fraud conspiracy proponent and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was one of thefirst people to chime in to stoke disinformation about the recall election. And I think this may
49:40well be the most rigged statewide election we've seen probably at least a half century.During the summer of 2020, some Americans suspected that the FBI had secretly infiltratedthe racial justice demonstrations. And you know what? They were right. I'm Trevor Aronson,and I'm hosting a new podcast series, Alphabet Boys. As the FBI sometimes, you gotta grab thelittle guy to go after the big guy. Each season will take you inside an undercover investigation.In the first season of Alphabet Boys, we're revealing how the FBI spied on protesters inDenver. At the center of this story is a raspy-voiced, cigar-smoking man who drives a silverhearse. And inside his hearse was like a lot of guns. He's a shark, and not in the good and bad
50:32ass way. He's a nasty shark. He was just waiting for me to set the date, the time, and then forsure he was trying to get it to happen. Listen to Alphabet Boys on the iHeart Radio app, ApplePodcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Lance Bass, and you may know me from a littleband called NSYNC. What you may not know is that when I was 23, I traveled to Moscow to trainto become the youngest person to go to space. And when I was there, as you can imagine, I heardsome pretty wild stories. But there was this one that really stuck with me about a Soviet astronautwho found himself stuck in space with no country to bring him down. It's 1991, and that man,Sergei Krekalev, is floating in orbit when he gets a message that down on Earth,
51:24his beloved country, the Soviet Union, is falling apart. And now he's left offendingthe Union's last outpost. This is the crazy story of the 313 days he spent in space,313 days that changed the world. Listen to The Last Soviet on the iHeart Radio app,Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.What if I told you that much of the forensic science you see on shows like CSIisn't based on actual science? The problem with forensic science in the criminal legal systemtoday is that it's an awful lot of forensic and not an awful lot of science. And the wronglyconvicted pay a horrific price. Two death sentences and a life without parole. My youngest,
52:16I was incarcerated two days after her first birthday. I'm Molly Herman. Join me as weput forensic science on trial to discover what happens when a match isn't a matchand when there's no science in CSI. How many people have to be wrongly convicted before theyrealize that this stuff's all bogus. It's all made up. Listen to CSI on trial on the iHeart Radio app,Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. People should look carefully at this,because there's pretty good evidence that if Newsom is in a straight, honest count,he probably has a good chance of losing. But if they can stuff every ballot box in California,and they can cheat in every way possible. And of course, this type of propaganda has made it
53:06onto the most watched cable news show on air, Tucker Carlson. California does not get thecredit it deserves for the corruption that's endemic there. It's a one-party state and theyact like it. And you've got to have concerns about whether this recall election will be free and fair.Are you concerned? Well, of course I'm concerned, Tucker. I'm involved in election integrity effortsthroughout the United States, and I'm also a member of the Republican National Committee. So wehave a team of lawyers that is ready to deploy throughout the state here, and we are monitoringthings. Every single day, just a couple of hours ago, I filed a lawsuit to intervene in a challengeto the constitutionality of the recall statute, because frankly, I don't trust the Secretary
53:44of State or the Attorney General, who are both appointed by the governor to defend him in thisregard. And so we are going to be jumping on every potential opportunity to do that and fight backagainst the Democrats. Of course, they are playing fast and loose. We've seen some veryalarming scenes of 300 ballots bundled together in the car of a person with a gun and some drugs,and so we are definitely looking into all of these issues. But, Tucker, ultimately it's going to comedown to how much do people want to change in California? And I can tell you, even living inmy latte sipping, avocado toast, eating, you know, Lulu lemon-wearing neighborhood in SanFrancisco, people are fed up with the crime, the drugs, the homelessness, the intermittent
54:23electricity, and everything else that is wrong with California. So people want to change here.It's just not working. And this really is a test of whether our system works. I mean,can people get better leadership? That's kind of the question. Will there be election observerson the scene so the rest of us can know this was fair?Well, 100%. The problem in California is that the voting doesn't just take place on election daylike it would in a normal place. It's taking place now on a rolling basis through mail-in voting.It's 100% mail-in ballots this time around. And it is going to take place for 30 days after theelection if it's close because they have 30 days to count the vote. That's 60 days of voting. And,
55:04of course, a lot of shenanigans can occur and ballots can disappear. So we are going to beobserving it very closely and demanding accountability and filing lawsuits wherever weneed to to hold the Democrats accountable because we cannot trust them.Yeah, I hope so. People want to believe the system works, that it's real, that they havepower, that their vote matters. So I appreciate what you're doing. Harmony Till and thank you.A lot of what's said in that last clip is either extremely misrepresented or just flat out lies.Those 300 ballots found in a car were actually part of a larger mail theft thing not related tothe election at all. Voters have received new ballots. And for this election, just like the last
55:43one, Californians have the option to vote in person to mail in ballots or deliver them in adrop box. The deadline to drop off, mail, or place your vote is September 14th.Counting cannot start till the 14th, either. And like every election, there will be observersthroughout the entire counting process. Obviously, this isn't the first time conservative mediahas hyped up election fraud, the last presidential election being the biggest instance to date.But what is concerning here is that they're setting up a template to use for all futureelections whenever Republicans lose. Here's a Fox clip from September 7th.The only thing that will save Gavin Newsom is voter fraud. So as they say, stay woke,
56:29pay attention to the voter fraud going on in California, because it's going to have big consequencesnot only for that state, but for upcoming elections. It's safe to assume that Stop the Steel-esquestrategies will be used almost every time a Republican loses in an election going forward.We've seen exactly what this type of rhetoric and propaganda leads to, and it ends in blood.There were multiple attacks on state capitals during the Stop the Steel rallies prior toJanuary 6th. In some places, like Salem, Oregon, they succeeded in getting inside the capital.Even if Newsom gets to stay in office, there will still be many problems. Election conspiracies andthe possibility of violence like January 6th just being one. We haven't wanted to righteously defend
57:15Newsom here. He's a politician and inept in many ways. He deserves plenty of criticism,especially on the issues of climate change. But the criticism levied at Newsom from the likes ofElter and the GOP are based on bigotry, nationalism, and climate denial. Newsom should be our punchingbag, not theirs.I'm Eve Rodzky, author of the New York Times bestseller Fair Play and Find Your Unicorn Space.Activists on the Gender Division of Labor, Attorney and Family Mediator.And I'm Dr. Adidina Rukar, a Harvard physician and medical correspondent with an expertise inthe science of stress, resilience, mental health, and burnout. We're so excited to share our podcast
58:04Time Out, a production of iHeart Podcast and Hello Sunshine. We're uncovering why societymakes it so hard for women to treat their time with the value it deserves. So take this Time Outwith us. Listen to Time Out, a Fair Play podcast on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or whereveryou get your podcasts.I'm Jake Halbert, host of Deep Cover. Our new season is about a lawyer who helped the mobrun Chicago. We controlled the courts. We controlled absolutely everything.He bribed judges and even helped a hitman walk free until one day when he started talking withthe FBI and promised that he could take the mob down. I've spent the past year trying to figure
58:50out why he flipped and what he was really after. From my perspective, Bob was too good to be true.There has got to be something wrong with this. I wouldn't trust that guy. He looks like a littlescumbag liar, stool-bidgin. He looked like what he was or at. I can say with all certainty, I thinkhe's a hero because he didn't have to do what he did and he did it anyway. The moment I put thewire on the first time, my life was over. If it ever got out, they would kill me in a heartbeat.Listen to Deep Cover on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.Greetings and welcome to It Could Happen Here. I'm Garrison Davis. I am a researcher and writeron the podcast team. Today, we have a roundtable discussion with a group of researchers who look
01:00:03into extremism and political violence, usually stemming from far-right propagandists and peoplein that kind of whole sphere. We have a discussion relating to climate change and all these otherthings that I was able to record with these fine people. It's split up into two sections,so part one is coming out today, part two is coming out tomorrow. I highly recommend youlisten to both, maybe even back-to-back at some point because it does really give a nice,rounded-out view of what we were talking about. Without further ado, here is my discussionwith, I don't know, well, not a dozen, but a large amount of terrorism researchersas we are all in the woods as you will soon find out.
01:00:54Welcome to It Could Happen Here, the daily show. I am Garrison Davis, and I am recording in anundisclosed location in the woods. Me and a few internet colleagues are all hiding from theworld for a week to reset our poisoned brains, but I am going to slightly re-poison us herefor about an hour to have a discussion about climate change and terrorism because we havea group of people here who are all, well, research the bad thing online a lot, so I amgoing to try to take advantage of having this unique group of people all in one location tohave this nice discussion for you guys, but yeah, specifically, we want to talk abouthow we, how each of us as an, you know, quote-unquote expert in certain fields
01:01:44see climate change impacting extremism and terrorism in the next few decades.And yes, we are recording in the forest, so if you hear sounds like we're in the forest,that's because we are. You guys already know me, or you probably do, but we're going to go arounda circle, probably starting on my left, introducing the people, and yeah, just give a brief bio,however detailed you want to get into. Okay. My name is Matt Taylor. I'm a journalist andresearcher focusing on cults, conspiracy theories, and extremism, and today is my birthday.Happy birthday, Matt, in the past. My name is Theo. I am a journalist and researcher as well.I mostly focus on the American militia movement and paramilitary groups.
01:02:36I'm Toothpick, I'm with Theo, Matt, Emmy, and Big Newhouse who isn't here on terrorism back.That's a podcast, by the way. Self-plug. My research and reporting focuses mainly onconspiracy theories and where that overlaps with political extremism and the focus onconnections between U.S. and Europe, especially Germany. I'm Peter Smith. I'm a journalistwith the Canadian Anti-Hate Network and the host of the Unusual Show podcast.I'm Lily, and I focus on extremism and counterterrorism and data analysis.And I'm Emmy. I do digital propaganda and rhetoric. That is our little crew.Yeah, let's see. What the first thing we want to talk about, I'm guessing, is how we see
01:03:40the podcast is more about smaller local collapses. There's not going to be one bigcollapse. We're going to see small things start to fall apart. And how we see small things fallapart. What do we see filling in those gaps? Specifically, I think this will tie into themilitia movement a lot in a lot of ways. So yeah, you guys can start sprouting off your knowledge.Yeah, so what are the things that I've been thinking of and following? I don't knowif this has made as much of an impact in U.S. media. But in the last month, parts of Germanyand the Netherlands experienced really bad flooding that literally wiped out some villagesand some towns. And one of the things that we've seen in Germany is far-right groups. There isn't
01:04:32really a militia movement because of the laws there, but far-right groups rushing inand collecting aid and going for photo ops in those catastrophe areas. And what that doesmake me think of, and maybe Theo can talk more about this, is we've seen similar stuff in the U.S.with the militia movement marking themselves as emergency preparedness or marking themselvesin that way and positioning themselves where when the government is unable to respond thatthese groups are able to come in and also using that for their messaging and for their rhetoric.Yeah, so I mean that is something that you see in the U.S. The basic example, Garrison and Italked about this earlier, but during the wildfires in Oregon last year, you saw checkpoints being
01:05:21established by militia groups, whether already formed militia groups or kind of impromptuarmed bands. And you also see that as like a big marketing thing. I know a lot of the Virginia-basedmilitias that I follow went out to Tennessee two, one or two years ago when the tornadoes happened.Yeah, I was going to mention that. Yeah, they did a bunch of kind of aid and photo ops.Yeah. Yeah, so I'm just not to dox myself, but I'm from Nashville and then beginning of 2020 inMarch right before the coronavirus. Someone just dropped a toy gun. Great job guys. Yeah, so in thebeginning of March of last year, right before COVID hit Nashville, we had a huge tornado go throughNashville itself and wipe out like two different neighborhoods and then a rural town right outside
01:06:16of Nashville. But you saw a lot of like, so the community comes together and this really nicedisplay of mutual aid to do all the cleanup basically before any official crews can get there.But with that, you also saw like these far right groups coming in for photo ops and it just,it normalizes their presence in heavily impacted areas. And it was not, not ideal.Yeah, a lot of the American militia movement, especially the modern kind of post 2008,3% or strain of it is predicated on this idea of a complete breakdown of order or a loss ofcivil order. However, you conceive of that. And these like climate disasters that are going tohit areas are going to kind of provide a self fulfilling prophecy for these people to step in
01:07:04and say like, Oh, no, you need some sort of armed force. You need some sort of group of people tokeep order and to keep law in whatever way they conceive of that. I do think it's interestingyou guys talking about kind of like the photo op thing that they do because when the wildfireshappened in Oregon, all of the actual like relief work was done by anti fascists. Like,people in Portland, we set up, you know, these, these massive camps to help, you know, all theselike, you know, much more conservative people who had to evacuate their, evacuate their homes.And they were all getting fed and all like their clothes and stuff were coming from anti fascists.And the, all the right did was do the arm checkpoints thing financially that like in the
01:07:40south where there's less anti fascists, like, you know, compared to the general compared tolike Portland, right? How some of those groups actually do do some of the relief effort. Andthat that's definitely not the case up here in the in the West Coast. Oh, yeah. I mean, last year,I remember a few county level militias that I follow in Virginia were like seriously doingrelief work. Like they were gathering food, they were taking out places affected by flooding inNorth Carolina, by tornadoes in Tennessee. It's not, I wouldn't go so far as to call it mutual aidbecause it lacks the kind of ideological framework for that, but they are providing some sort ofinfrastructure. I think mutual aid for their guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With less of like the
01:08:23theory side of mutual aid, but like, and I'm sure there's someone else who can speak more on this,but like, from my perspective, growing up in a super weird church, I see this ininteracting, they see this like combining with local churches a lot as well. I'm not sure there'sanyone else here who could say something more intelligently than me about how like religionwill combine with these, like, the kind of militia efforts. Well, I was like, eco, eco extremists,like on the far right, on the very French far right can start to like be very esoteric abouttheir, you know, belief in climate change. And they start to sort of frame it as like a reasonfor the collapse that we need collapse or attacking infrastructure, like
01:09:14for the purpose of somehow saving the planet, even though it's really not going to get anywhere.We really need it. We have to do a lot of our own work on the planet. We can't just destroyeverything and see if it works. Yeah, we can definitely bring up accelerationists and accelerationismas an overarching thing that is, you know, not just, not to be like horseshoe theory about it,but accelerationism pops up in a whole lot of areas, including areas at the left where itbecomes very unuseful. And that can lead to like a lot of wasted time and some destructive tendencies.I mean, I think that point kind of also provides an interesting through line between more mainstreammilitias and like the really esoteric brands of eco fascism or ecologically based extremism
01:10:04is that like they're both very influenced by like colonial schools of thought.Like eco fascism and all that is kind of predicated on this idea of like terra nullis.Like there is this perfect, empty, wild land that we can have. Manifest destiny. Exactly. Andlike so much of the ideas of order and like peacekeeping that you find within more mainstreammilitia movements come from this exact same type of thinking where it's like a colonial order thatyou need to keep. Yeah, I know there's a lot of people on the left who are in like the kind oflike, you know, green, green, like eco socialist or like green anarchist kind of strains. We getvery frustrated when people talk about eco fascism, which I can understand because no one really
01:10:50means the same thing when they talk about it. Sometimes they just mean any like, any likequote unquote terrorism that has like, has like environmental purpose. Some people, you know,when they think of eco fascism, they think of like overpopulation. I mean, there's a lot ofdifferent things they mean, mean by it. But I know we've all had talks, but like what we personallyview is like eco fascism, because it's not just eco extremism. Like eco extremism does not equalfascism. Like there is there's a whole bunch of eco extremists who are very anti fascist.And there is some who kind of bridged the gap, you know, like like ideas has some more fascisttendencies. But I would not accurately call them fascist based on the type of stuff they do the
01:11:30type of writing they do, they do not have they do not check all of the boxes. But then then wedo have people who I would accurately describe as eco fascists who have done who've done, you know,mass shootings who have a lot of eco who have eco fascist stuff, either in the writing that theylike or their own manifestos, they bring up enough points is like, Yeah, you kind of fallinto this broad category. Does someone here want to give their personal definition of ecofascism? This isn't this not necessarily exactly what we use for the pod. But I just I'm interestedto hear there's a lot of people with various backgrounds, everyone has their own specializedknowledge. What kind of when people say that what what do you kind of put into that category?
01:12:05People believe in like this organic law and like natural order and they believe that likethere is a natural hierarchy ingrained in everything. And they think that generally, likeif we return to like some kind of primitive society or like, you know, they'll assume thatlike everything has its own structure and that there's going to be people who rise to the top,people who just, you know, don't belong in that kind of society, it's going to be really damagingfor like the elderly for disabled people. And they just sort of see it as like survival of thefittest. I think that's like a much more eco fascist point of view rather than like a moregreen anarchist point of view where things would sort of even out rather than become a hierarchal
01:13:02yeah yeah I think hierarchy is an important part of that and how we you know there is like a lotof green anarchists who are focusing on like making their own medication for for you know peoplewith diabetes and stuff and that's kind of stuff that is like really interesting to look at andstuff that we should absolutely pursue because we'll become less reliant on supply chains andwe don't really see eco fascists doing that. We do not see them focusing on making medicationfor people. Oh no. Maybe I can kind of set some people up to say more stuff if I say this realquickly but one of the things that I always or that is a red flag for me is is just you knowbringing in this very traditional discussions of gender roles and and relating that to the environment
01:13:41yeah of our rhetoric. Can you give an example? I mean I don't I we don't need to say names ofspecific like writers or people but there's definitely a way in which to like describe likethe gender roles. Sure yeah. Stop playing with the toy gun oh my god um just just like establishingand it is kind it can be kind of like an older left thing too but establishing you know ecologicaldiscussions within framework of traditional gender roles um and kind of like what is expectedof people based on their sex. Yeah this is this is this is the dark side of Cottagecore. Yes.I mean you want to get in here? Oh boy yeah. Every likes Cottagecore. I love Cottagecore.I like parts of Cottagecore does not want to intersects with a certain state of politics. Oh
01:14:35right well like queer Cottagecore is extremely cute. Sure until until yeah well until you're notqueer and listen yeah. Sometimes they still are. Now here's the thing when we're when we're dealingwith like traditional gender role stuff it's a really like slippery slope into more aggressivestrains of thought. Yeah. So when we're when we're talking about the idea of of the class. Stop playingwith the toy gun. I will throw you out of this. I will throw you out of this podcast. I don't wantthat. We will turn this we will turn this podcast. Turn this podcast. It's Matt's birthday you asked.Toothpick apologizes. Yeah okay. Have fun editing. Continue editing. Yeah rip to the editor I wouldn'tknow what that's like. All this stays in. So good. So when they're talking about the class and they
01:15:27want you know they think the the rod of modernity will be gone society will be ended they can theycan you know rebuild from the ground up smaller communities and uh they can they can build thesociety they want which is largely ethno nationalist yeah it's not great uh the the idea that therewill be this this super traditional family structure you're gonna have your your uh this combined uhstrong warrior also homesteading man and your uh cool trad life yeah uh who never ages above 30in this society like it just doesn't age about 25. I'm being generous here assuming that atleast like some of these people have a little bit of like pre-planning but they don't they don't umand they they step on each other a lot right because they have this this whole plan for this uh this
01:16:21society free of industry um and they can't stop posting about it on the internet which is prettyfunny it's really funny right like they're not they're not good at it yeah they're like way tooaddicted to posting to like actually commit to like the true no off the grid trad life at least atleast 10k was off the grid we don't got a hand it you got ahead we don't got a hand it you got ahead you do you want to know circumstances and got pause divided on how much we got a hand at the10k the official stance of terrorism bad as the terrorism is bad why don't we just bring them onit is kind of a concern when they do end up when they stop posting i mean yeah it's a concern whenthey're posting but it's kind of more concerning you would rather than just keep posting sometimes
01:17:06yeah yeah it's the same as like looking at a kid that wants to be a firefighter or something likethey're just talking they're not gonna do it but you see some of them doing it and when they'redoing the thing a lifestyle influencer version of fascism yeah do you think that it's going toaffect kind of like laws about living off grid and laws about like for normal people who just wantto get the fuck out i actually just read something about this there is some guy who'd been livingoff grid in pennsylvania for like 30 years and i don't remember the details of this and we don'thave internet out here old guy yeah it was an old guy burn this house down yeah he's in jail nowhe's probably going to be in jail for the rest of his life and i think part of whether it comes
01:17:50from left or the right as people kind of start to try to build resiliency within communitiesfor disasters that are coming and start to seek ways of living that do not rely on supply chainsand do not rely on the state the state will strike back against that as a consolidation of powerbecause the more that people move away from it whether on the left or right the less power thestate has i mean i think utilizing counterterrorism is an excuse to do so yeah because they're givingreasons and it's not it's not going to get enforced equally i'm sure the government's gonnagonna focus on certain people doing this and be slightly more okay with other people doing itwell well yeah what's so i would like to talk about canada a little bit because specifically
01:18:35climate change affecting canada is going to be very it's going to be slightly differentin most of it compared to the states because i've been i've been having my my waist deepin climate science books for most of 2021 um and canada is going to probably see economic boostsum and they're probably the state's probably just going to get actually get actually strongerbecause of how the same thing with russia uh both canada and russia are going to getmore economically powerful under climate change because of how much more crops are going to getmoved up how give me your thoughts again because canada is my backup plan as soon as talk getstoo spicy in the states i'm i'm taking my canadian passport and hiding in the woods um how how
01:19:15what's your thoughts on that yeah it's interesting to hear you guys talk about americanmilitia culture because we we definitely are rhetoric and propaganda that we see in canada it getsborrowed a lot the talking points from the states like the the concepts but what we don't have arethese strong organized militia groups we had three percenters for a while um and who still exist butthey were they were big about being off-grid like they were the ones who weren't postingfor a long time um and it seems like as much as all these people are still around they've largelydeflated doubt because canada's made some some efforts to call them terrorists right right veryrecently we designated them as a terrorist organization yeah um which doesn't carry a
01:19:59criminal charge but if you if you do something involved with them you send them money like thereis there are consequences of that legal enhancements okay um but our our kind of militia culturefocuses on the illegitimacy of the state that canada's founded it's very kind of subsit uhtype rhetoric but that canada's establishment it's its rules and especially with all the publichealth measures it's this growing uh this growing kind of tide of thought in both the prairies andlargely out west i grew up in Saskatchewan um most of my family's in alberto i know when i look atwhen i because i keep a soft eye on some canadian hate groups just because i'm canadian most of thempop up around alberto um where do you see this stuff kind of like happening like do you see any
01:20:48of this on the east coast if so is it smaller or is this mostly all like a west coast canada thingwell that like that conspiratorial thought we've seen kind of across the country like on the eastcoast you know just recently we had people setting up their own version of checkpoints um as like aprotest against the uh the public health measures okay and like the whole eastern part of canadais in its own bubble yes right now um but yeah you had this like conspiracy based movement formingthese actual checkpoints and then the main part of it though is probably going to be out west okaythat is where these ideas are the most popular or the most popular that makes sense where mainstreampoliticians are moving towards you know amplify these type of talking points yeah is do you see that
01:21:36like is that is that a most alberta thing it's a mostly like prairies alberta like the farmlandthe interesting part is that when you talk about groups is like in canada groups are an urban phenomenonfor the most part okay most of our organization takes place around the city centers and that isvery different from the states where the states it's usually the usually the opposite in some there'sthere's always exceptions of too many when people live but generally we see it as more as more of arural thing which is organized where these cities are more like liberal and that's right the antifascist groups are based um but it's kind of these like these little ideological pockets that existall over and certainly that sentiment is probably shared but the need to mobilize seems to mostly
01:22:21focus on the urban centers and then we'd never have our groups they're not providing any kind of ageyeah that's just or even checkpoints like that's beyond these like very recent protest movementsyou know there has been you know more forest fires around bc around you know western albertahow do you see the government's responses types of things right now and canada's in a in a particularsituation with the liberals having minority control you know the canadian parliamentary systemsprobably confusing to let americans if they don't understand it already um but yeah how what do youwhat do you see on on that front they know you know just in true both true don't bite and talk thetalk around like pipelines and stuff but then do the complete opposite um how do you kind of see
01:23:07this kind of stuff working right now for for like on the on the climate side of things well yeah ourreaction to the firefighters or it's a reaction to the wildfires um i mean the government responsehas always looked down on like it's always looked at poorly um but none of these people are takingthis as an opportunity to kind of change minds kind of do pr um there's much less reaction to it mostlike the west also there's this incredible feeling of alienation because of the way that ourgovernment is set up yeah they have substantially less or they have substantially less voting poweryeah the same way the states how you know there's like there's like southern states or states inthe midwest you feel like they don't really have any power politically same thing for almost the
01:23:49entire east entire west coast of canada everything from like manitoba to alberta and parts of bc youknow everyone is very frustrated at at at the at the federales um and how they really don't havecontrol for what's happening it'll be like yeah people on the east coast are controllingfor what what our what our pipelines or what our minds are doing and that does not fair to ourworkers because yeah it is it does suck when you know a mind closes and then everyone in a smalltown is out of business like the part the part right between canada all might be standing aroundthem you know used to be you know bustling small towns that are basically all all now ghost townsbecause stuffed clothes people have to leave to either like during the summer of 2020 some americans
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01:27:24heart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts calgary edmonton regina don't laughum so you know all these specific things you know we see pockets of this we see pocketswe see pockets of this in like the midwestern estates definitelyi know it also is like like manifest destination because like there's a lot of that there area lot of it started with people kind of moving outward to try and gain more land and make theirborders um larger and like live further out to like try and uh and up to more territory um and with thethe like canadian big surgeon like indigenous rights and the big focus and shift to likesort of give them land back or something i'm not exactly clear on what the canadian stances on that
01:28:19what oh just like i mean we have a big movement from indigenous populations to they seem verylike they kind of like well i there's so many different bands and tribes and different typesof nations um like we have unseated territory and the dynamics with which the government issupposed to deal with and has agreed to deal with and actually does deal with them is all vastlydifferent um but yeah that that idea of this focus on these particular issues like indigenous issuesum even our attempts to you know have a greener economy you know for a place that for a longtime and still is an extraction economy yes um how does that like affect the the oil company withhealth care more like extreme as far right groups who want to move out that way um for the purpose
01:29:06of organizing and you also have the indigenous focus within the liberal government so like howdo those two groups do you think like interact uh like the general conception is that theportion for indigenous rights especially on the farther right is is for the disenfranchisementof white europeans like it is um and then yeah you do have this western exodus where we havevery popular figures who are moving further west because they're these stronger ideas of sovereigntyi forget what exactly it was polling but when the western exit or the exit was started you knowthere was a significant amount of popular yeah or at least like not strong support but likeexisting support there was there was a there was a large amount of support yeah absolutely it'll
01:30:00be interesting to see what happens though talking about collapse like you know in these small townsin like cloister communities um you know they already feel cut off from the government and notrepresented and then if you have a breakdown of infrastructure you know that'll create like whatwould even happen in the first place if they're not helping us exactly which is which is true which islike a real thing to think about but their solutions are wildly different than the actualsolutions to help people right and we've already seen how this plays out in the past as wellwith um you know places where uh the infrastructure starts to break down and then people who haveweapons kind of become the authority just based on the fact that they have more power yeah
01:30:43yeah so one of the things that i follow is a lot of kind of like the more let's characterize it asboomer s conspiracy theories especially with anti vax anti public health measures type thingand one of the things that that that really is noticeable to me is how much more sovereign citizenstuff is creeping up into those areas um and especially you know they're they're two reallybig examples of you know if there's an anti vax protest in your city it's probably one of thesetwo networks that both come from europe um that i'm not going to name right now um and those twonetworks also you know love to organize over the messaging app telegram um and telegram is tell meif i'm stepping in at me telegram is where you know so much of this ideology this far right
01:31:42ideology is able to cross mix and co-mingle yeah um you know i we we talked about telegram enoughin the pod okay cool but people are familiar you haven't stepped in it yet keep going uh yeahlike adjacent adjacent to stepping you know but it's fine it's yeah so so i mean my my biggestframe you're gonna talk about this a lot is is telegram as kind of this technologicalembodiment of the cultic milieu um because there is so like basically no enforcement close to noenforcement on telegram and so you know these these more malicious actors know that and theyknow that they can find an audience who is interested in you know opposing the mainstreamconspiratorial thought in these kind of like boomer tell boomers on telegram and conspiracy groups
01:32:24and there are you know malicious actors playing to go in and win these people over and you knowa lot of these malicious actors are younger people who don't have those resources but theyknow that they can win over these people who do have resources who own land who have savingsto kind of like fund that movement if yeah oh i was just gonna say i do think that the culticmilieu is like a really important heuristic for these kind of collapse scenarios because thequestion of what happens when kind of infrastructure and any sort of political guidance falls away isgoverned a lot by that and like this idea that there's there are these ideas floating around inour society and once people have nothing else to turn to these malicious actors will bring this stuff
01:33:07in and uh yeah to put it simply then we're pretty fucked yeah telegram also has recently startedto have to crack down on people and um because of that you have this really interesting dichotomy ofpeople who are saying like this means like get ready get prepared go off grid get guns and youalso have on the other end people who are saying you know create alt-type platforms and likecreate um more like self-encryption and like i don't know i'm trying not to step in right nowyeah yeah no i'm with me but to be able to uh to speak more like peer to peer um resourcesand that wraps up part one of the terrorism roundtable discussion thanks so much for listeningyou can find us at happen here pod and cools on media on all of the socials you can find me at
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01:36:41scroll back listen to the previous episode and then continue on from here so you have kind ofcontext to what exactly we're talking about anyway this is part two of our discussion in the woodsi hope you enjoy something that was talked about earlier this year after january sixth was likeshould the government ban telegram right that was the thing and there's a lot of a lot of argumentsare like no absolutely not and there's does anyone want to speak on that because you know becauselike if i want to talk about the government's response to these things you know that's a verygovernmenty thing to do be like oh people are organizing this platform get rid of the platformproblem gone and that's not how that works uh... does that mean you want to talk about a little bit
01:37:21sure um... yeah so they're getting rid of the platform doesn't necessarily help especiallywhen it's something that is important such as like you know encrypted communication which issomething that more people than just nazis need yes um and that resource should not be cut offand there's also kind of a bad precedent to be set if the if the government is deciding whichof the speech it needs to have complete access to i don't love thatum the other thing is that if we nuke telegram right they don't disappear they form networksthey're still there and then they have to do more things in person right they're still therethey're just harder they're harder and they're harder to track people are absolutely correct
01:38:04when they say de-platforming works because it works for the platform and a lot of peoplejust want that a lot of people just don't want to see nazi shit and they're fine with you knowde-platform and they say this works and they have data to back up that it does work but itworks for the platform but the people still exist well yeah still boosting their own shit andwhen they bring up building their own all tech platforms you know it only works to get thereearly yeah yeah yeah and there is elements that yeah de-platform is a wider thing can workespecially for like in-person stuff but yeah for the sort of thing you're mentioning yes it isdefinitely uh not not that kind of dry you know and telegram is really interesting because it is
01:38:44kind of this middle space between social media and just a messaging app yeahand the thing about it too is that anybody can look at these you know the public channels yesso without without saying anything in the chat so people could be kind of completely invisiblenobody like nobody knows that they're there they're watching the stuff and they're still gettingthe same messaging they're still getting the same dates for protests they're still likeorganizing but they can be uh sort of just subscribe to a channel and you don't even need to besubscribed you can just know the name just looking into getting that flow of information withoutever having like formal organizing so to speak and so it's really hard to say that like you know
01:39:25these people plan this because there's a lot of plausible deniability that anybody was involvedthere's so much easy hybrid linking between groups and channels and everything so it's soeasy for someone to move between ideology and to go from kind of like the base-levelshit into the much deeper stuff extremely quick very quick yeah extremely quick well that's likethat's my design that's good for them about telegram is that you have all of the people thatare uh vulnerable to let's say new ideas in one place yeah that's the big thing you get rightrecruitment exactly if you're trying to plan a collapse you're gonna need a lot more peoplethan the numbers that the people who want a collapse actually have so the easiest way to kind of
01:40:08move things along is to insert inserting their ideas and their discourses and kind of alteringthe vibe of certain digital environments manually until they have what we can kindly call cannonfodder yeah or even starting their own and saying like you know this is a MAGA platform and it'sactually just you know a bunch of a bunch of accelerationists who made it we definitely madeit to recruit them yeah we definitely saw attempts of this was like QAnon of people who are waymore accelerationists trying to use QAnon people as cannon fodder extremely successful wasn't justattempts and they did it and QAnon people died well you're I mean that and then also you've gotlike a like the idea of the boogaloo right that's been co-opted yes try to appeal to leftists and
01:40:54I mean there's a really good article by left coast right watch that goes into one of those chatsand they're basically like yeah really try to push these ideas of really try to push talkingpoints like Black Lives Matter and all this we want to get these protesters on our sideand then you also have some blatant like white supremacist groups who are also using the boogalooand how much of that too is like how much of that is sort of real genuine like I am not racist Ibelieve in Black Lives Matter like I want to be part of this even though I'm a boogaloo or likehow much of it also is kind of reminiscent of what we were talking about yesterday and I alsodon't want to step in it but like with you know the idea of from Manson of like Helter Skelter and
01:41:37like yeah causing that race where it's like they what they would do is like try and frame Blackpeople for it and say like this was you know yeah exactly yeah I mean like how much of it is sayinglike this is Black Lives Matter and they want people to see that after they do the boogaloogroup that showed up in Portland in January in July of 2020 when the partisan feds were happeningyou know they showed up and were all like yeah we're here to support Black Lives Matter andstand against the federal government and stuff and they had some very suspicious patches that ittook me it took me about a year to figure out what they were and it's like this accelerationistlike it ties into a whole bunch of like eco fascist propaganda stuff yeah and yeah so like
01:42:18they're saying these things well they have these very obscure patches and yeah this is an importantreason why we'd need people who are not very smart like I will say Jimmy Dorr who puts these whogives these people platforms are some of the worst and are going to cause a lot of problemsbecause they have no idea what they're doing or they know what they're doing and they're just badyeah and like that boogaloo thing kind of serves a twofold purpose in that you can bringpeople who self-identify as leftists into the movement but you also have a really good scapegoatfor like actual action like that was a big thing that we saw in Minneapolis when thingsfirst popped off and like precinct was getting burned down and suddenly people on the internet
01:43:01start losing their minds about the umbrella guy umbrella guy at the auto at the auto andthere was a guy who was indicted he was a boogaloo boy who was indicted for um likeheadline said burning down the precinct he fired a weapon he fired a gun on like near the wallexactly and so that at the same time takes away agency from left-wing movements and the state'sable to be like look see it's just it's okay to crack down on them because they're all you knowwild white supremacists exactly just from any autonomous movement that forms with the peoplein a community that isn't that we wouldn't necessarily refer to as leftists it's justpissed off people I mean that's what we saw in every single you know every every city
01:43:41every big city yeah the young kids who are fucking pissed off that are gonna go smash itand it's like saying all of this is people from outside of the town or it's like I know outsideagitators yeah yeah it's a tale as old as time like outside agitators been used sincebefore this is a very old state talking point yeah were you gonna say that um yeah I was gonnasay also uh I mean it's somewhat related to that we're talking about using like you and on thiscannon fodder yeah and it also ties into the sobsite conversation we were having so my researchI special or not specialize I focus on uh Christian identity the white supremacist ideology and howspecifically how it's grown since the 90s until now through like the internet and all that fun stuff
01:44:22this whole point they've been pushing lately is to like they're this with Christian identity thewhole thing is they are preparing for the apocalypse which they call the tribulations and they seemodern ci folks see the boogaloo as like the tribulation that's coming so what they're tryingto do is go off grid and really try to like establish this new land or like to protect theirkids and everything from like pollution and all that shit but also to be away from thecollapse and be able to survive it and then while they're doing all that like prepping homesteadsand like compounds and stuff they're also like pushing like election fraud conspiracies and allthat on like you and on in the maggot crowd not because they believe it not because it yeah right
01:45:07they don't believe it they know it's bullshit but they can use it to accelerate collapse just likejanuary's yeah exactly like i mean when i mean there are groups when uh joe biden won the presidencyor won the election whatever uh some groups being like yeah really try to push this theoryof this conspiracy about election fraud even if you even if you don't believe in it just push itbecause that helps our cause and that's that's something to be really mindful of toforget where else i was going with that well yeah a lot of them don't mean what they say they'llsay things that'll push other people to do something yeah that they don't necessarily want to do andthat's a lot of a lot of like during january six so much excitement because they could see
01:45:53that the q noncrow are actually mobilizing yeah and so they said to them like to themselves likeyou know get them get them mobilizing for the white race get them mobilizing for you know ourcause and they've really successfully been able to infiltrate that and be able to get some peopleon board with some of it yeah just based on using their rhetoric yeah i know i talked about this onour podcast but you could see it like i reported on january 6th in person and like you could watchit happen someone with a skull mask on or a proud boy or an oath keeper would literally come backfrom the police line grab a group of people yell something at them about q and on or the stormsupon us and throw them up to that riot line they're telling us did a really good yeah we did a really
01:46:46good visual investigation of how those extremist scoops used mega people and q and on people astheir foot soldiers qa a folk qa a didn't really get break down on their jay's episode on an anonymouspodcast yeah yeah but it's also uh with i mean not to link everything to christian identitywhich i have a tendency to do but it's it's very ideologically similar to q and on like from achristianity point of view like q and on is like so close to the edge of christian identity it'svery scary actually i talked about it on uh jake hammerhands q clearance podcast but it there's alsolike not only trying to accelerate things through them but also trying to recruit them through theselike very very similar talking points about like the synagogue of satan and all that saying that
01:47:30christian identity is an entry point for some of them some of them bring it up as an entry point intofurther like accelerationist nazi shit but like they will start with christian identity because theythink that it's more packageable to people who already believe in q and on well yeah exactly i meanlike will was saying these there's a lot of this comes from these kind of boomerconspiracies and anti-vax groups and you're not going to be able to get uh you knowmemon pat pat into like wotanism or something like that well if you try hard enough you canensure but like christianity is something that's palatable it's something that's normal to them andas you can kind of slowly tweak it through q and on you can get them to this much more extreme
01:48:10yeah i'll talk about christian identity i think we should like maybe matt you could define it christianidentity it's this uh radical offshoot of christianity that sees all white people as the true israelitesfrom the bible um and they also think jewish people are all literally uh the spawn of satan there'sthis really dumb theory they came up with and like kind of rewrote the whole bible off of called uhcan i name it is that okay okay uh dual seedline theory where they say like the story if youknow about uh like adam and eve and all that uh they had kane and abel kane and abel yeah right sothey see um kane was the offspring of eve and the devil and he is literally the spawn of satan andthen he intermingled with all these races that were there before adam and eve and created this
01:48:58demonic race and it's really really fucking dumb uh but it's still here it is it's been here for ahot minute and it's probably going to keep going it's going to get worse calling it now it's goingto get worse uh it's going to get worse yeah but uh and the whole thing is they essentially likeworship like a nazi jesus they see jesus only uh was really only talking to the white race and thatchristianity and like god only is able to be perceived by the white race and before you startlaughing at these people because yes it does sound very silly keep in mind that these are extremelydangerous like yeah i mean you had like right this is the one problem with q anon when liberals juststart laughing about how crazy it is and then they're so surprised at january 6th we're like no no
01:49:42like it's yeah like they're actually dangerous yeah i mean christianity because he's been mentionedin a lot yeah and he's christian and he's been mentioned in various manifestos linked to yeahactually yeah that has formed very like co-organized groups like i mean historically a big part of likewith christian identity with a lot of these kind of like a lot of them based their like whole historicalcontext of like arianism on this rewriting of history based on um a fake study that was donein nazi germany about uh where some proto-indoeuropean languages came from and so they believe thatlike white people came from an area that's you know you could generally say it's sort of nearthe black sea um and that it's based on this like strange idea that like sanskrit is not the oldest
01:50:44language but like are you pointing the gun at me because i'm stepping in you're you're getting realclose the historical context i think it actually is useful and i think that's not where yeah therethere is actual yeah they really tried to push this they made um a lot of fake studies that youcould spend a lot of time researching this and believe that it's true um because there's justso much written about it and i think this is like a tactic that they really tend to do withhistorical revisionism a lot is just crank out essay after essay even if it's wrong even if it'stotally like based on false data or just it doesn't matter they don't care they just write about itand that they think that like having more written about it makes it more legitimate and if that's
01:51:37what we are talking have been talking about this this whole time we've been not recording is there'sjust an overflow of content that is so easy to access you know not necessarily from thespecific groups they're talking about just from the further right in general oh yeah um they justoverflow the content it's like always the top shit on facebook to give an idea of how pervasiveeven that idea of like where indoeuropean languages came from like when i still went to college i tookthe religions of south asia course and we had to spend like multiple days where a professorwent through these myths about like what was the the arian invasion uh which like was there arearian people that that is a thing historically iranians yes they're not white people but like
01:52:26going through a definition of white people sure but then it's based on language they think ofarianism as like referring to a linguistic pattern yeah but like in a university course we still hadto go through and like debunk these myths because they've gotten so pervasive within culture yeahand another thing i want to say is that kind of these more entry-level conspiracy ideasit is hard to overemphasize how small the space is between the entry-level stuff and the muchharder stuff it can happen extremely quickly extremely fast you know i'll give i'll give anexample i went to you know i was reporting on um an anti-vax protest and they went straight intotalking about new world order and and project locks lockstep and and the rock trials and the
01:53:17builder burgers and like the saboteens and david ikes shit just me and this is this was the middleof the day in like a metropolitan area with a bunch of boomers and trump hats who are getting thislike hard core shit pumped at them or you uh we shall sell it a lot with the national bombing tolike immediately it was like oh it was actually an attack on dominion and also it was uh orchestratedby the roth's childs to destroy evidence of voter for i forgot that that was a whole yeah and thenalso there was a whole like there was a bunch of stuff that came up later as a big conspiracythat was actually a missile strike i had to talk my grandpa down from that really yeah i didn't knowi didn't know there was a video that circulated for a while about then i had to get into a conversation
01:53:58with my grandpa but at the time was super isolated because of covid and that's a whole yeah that's awhole other problem um yeah and i had to like talk him down and show him like no here's uhhere's a video from somebody i knew who was like somewhat in the area and saw the explosion andthough that like in there was not a missile anywhere near tessie yeah one of the data studiesthat i've done is um and worked on is using big pool and small pool discord servers offar right extremists um far right militia groups and um very very like acceleration as a skullmass type networks um and looking at the big pools and small pools and seeing the at mentionsbetween them yeah yeah um and there was not one person who was more than three nodes away
01:54:47from anybody else so you it's very it can't be overstated how close people are from entry tovery very very extreme uh types of uh goals yeah and and ideology explicit ideologies that explicitlypush violence and you know another point i want to bring up is um like you know there's been muchsaid about q non it isn't going away it's just not called q non anymore um with with these anti-vaxmobilizations those mobilizations and groups aren't going away they're just gonna continue to shiftand evolve their focus and the networks stay the networks they've designed it that way so isometimes i find the normie stuff first sometimes i find the crazy stuff firstbut i mean not even that long ago i i came across a particular social media profile that was
01:55:42explicitly calling for ax of terror and attempting to organize ax of terror and displaying ax ofterror which is like an immediate problem that needs to be dealt with however they had multiplealternate accounts that you follow that path and on their other accounts they're sharing liketucker carlson stuff yeah like things that your grandparents are going to watch right like andthat is done on purpose to try to like siphon people out of um more quote unquote mainstreamversions of like conspiratorial thinking directly into like you should start exploding things andeven even more even more let's say left of center conspiracy thinking ties into this yeah it doesand it's not you know conspiracy theories are not solely a thing of the right which which
01:56:27pissed me off to no end that's sorry no i just want to back you up on that like i think there'sthis maybe this like implicit idea that the left is immune to conspiracy theories when it very muchis not sure it's at all roosh yeah um yeah i'm just not i just wanted to emphasize that pointyeah that idea though of like never being that far from the serious stuff is something that'sreally really observable even beyond like a data level i i used to like consult with local newsroomson how to report on things and one of the big points i always tried to drill in was likeif you fuck this up and you frame this the wrong way it will have consequences and if this isstepping in it too much we can cut this but like the um dylan roof dylan roof started his journey
01:57:20to radicalization by reading about trayvon martin in local news websites and local newspapersand then googling black on white crime and his first result the first shit that comes up yeahwas many people around the class but the same exact thing exactly and like it does not it didnot take long for him to go from i am reading local news articles that are framed this specific wayto i am killing people yep that's not normal of course like a lot of people are not going tobe reading local news and then suddenly start to think this way but like there is a concerted effortby some very specific people who would like to make that pathway easier yeah it's stochasticterrorism yeah it's well interesting because we don't we can't like define it really as terrorism
01:58:16what are they doing they're really just yeah they're just saying things they're just encouragingpeople to do things and like they're not like they're not doing anything wrong we can't reallycall it terrorism yeah the most dangerous people in this game are usually not the ones doing theshooting yes people behind the scenes trying to go on these paths looking for people who are willingand then so they see somebody reading local news maybe and then they want to make that pathwayeasier for it to go from local news to dylan roof like because that's not a normal jump butthey really want to find people who are looking at local news like that and then say to them likewell okay you look at this now look at that trying to tie this back to climate change how do you see
01:58:58do you see a similar pathway instead of instead of someone googling you know black white crime likegoogling stuff about collapse and and and like modern modern civilization oh yeah eric strikeri don't know eric striker has been on about this and i think that he's a i meani mean relatively like middle point that people get to like fairly like average people do listento things like eric striker yeah he's a very like entry-level explicit nazi yeah yeah andanother thing he cut me off if we don't want to go in this direction but you know one of the biggestplaces where we see young people getting into conspiracy theories is tick tock it is tick tockyeah that's right all right tick tock tick tock cut that cut that cut that we're not we're not
01:59:50cutting that that is that is within the branches of the pod yeah i mean the biggest entry pointbut i've seen for a lot of things remains crisis yeah and the thing is this our upcoming climatescenario is going to give people an easier jumping on point well yeah that's so i mean we were talkingabout how like the the mythology of like black and white crime and all this stuff they they'retrying to create a situation that you know with the urgency that justifies fascism which on its ownis unjustifiable and ridiculous but when there's a crisis right climate change is the existentialthreat that they've been trying to artificially create and they no longer have to they now getto skip a lot of steps and save a lot of energy by just pointing at the fact that everything is
02:00:35literally on fire and that like that that makes it so much quicker state we have to dosomething we have all the guns now would be a great time to join it on our power this kidthis this is our vimar era hyperinflation type shit yeah i mean this is like when you're whenyou can't get food from the grocery store anymore because of supply chain problems or when everythingaround you is on fire you don't need like a great you don't need a great replacement theory no youdon't need anything you don't need to say that the Rothschilds are behind it you you haven't justneed to wait you have you have enough things that you experience yourself and it's much scarierwhen you can't because i can't like i'm like how do we how do we stop yeah i can't fuck how do we
02:01:22debunk that it's harder the world is literally on fire it's it's a problem and something needs tobe done about it i don't like your solution but something needs to happen so what do you thinkon this path and this is going to get a whole lot more speculative like what can we do to makepeople falling down those pathways less often like like what is it with the doom or shit yes yesthat is that that's one of the things that we're trying to do on the pot is make sure that peopledo not fall fall down the the doomer pathway because yeah this that that does get peoplealong down this path is logical like against like like against most types of extremismeco extremism it makes more logical like you look at it and you say we need a radical change
02:02:05right now and that's correct um it's just the way that they go about it is very very differentand that's why like you know eco fascism is very different it's its own type of eco extremism andthere's green anarchy that's a very different type of eco extremism like these are all differentparts of something that almost has the same goals but wants to go about them very very verydifferently and it's so easy to just look around and see how everything's on fire and think likethe government's doing nothing about it the government starts doing something about it andthen suddenly it's the state's too big we're in communism you know so they all have like differentgoals and it's very conflicting on how to how to deal with it and like even the very different
02:02:48tactics between green anarchy and you know i'm like fascistic extremism they also will gettwo different end goals right like you know like you're you're you're your basic imprim wants avery different life than your you know very you know very uh stepping in it to build a fascistright a collapse can only benefit the right it can't a collapse can only benefit yeah the peoplewho already have power who already able-bodied who already uh stocked up on guns who already likeyeah that does frustrate me with their being anarchists who are like rooting for the collapsebecause yeah you're not gonna win like you're not just gonna get you pushed behind a fencesomewhere or put on the wall yeah well they've got very strict ideas of which people count as human
02:03:34and the goal of majority of fascist movements is to you know purge the ranks of the people they seeas lesser and they have the week they have they have very precise ideas about who they plan onletting survive the collapse so let's let's i think it's time to start talking about andtell me if i'm taking this in the long direction you know what the fucking somebody who's listeningto this yeah yeah um recycle no stop recycling it's all getting shorter showers it's all gettingburied in the organ for us talk to Joe Biden just vote vote it away vote it out yeah let me look atyou like start local find a local group find a local group find a local direct action groupinvestigate that group and see who is behind it but find start locally it has to start
02:04:20at the local level because when should i'm gonna say i'm gonna say if the collapse comes or likeor they know not the collapse but like a local local collapses there's any disasters yeah confuseddisasters are going to affect at the local level no talk to your talk to your fucking neighborsneighbors talk to your family like you try to get your family on these paths that lead to helpingyour neighbors instead of you know making friends with the church militia before you buy a gun learnhow to fucking garden yes yeah but buying a gun and that sort of thing is is good it's good toknow how to use firearms basic emergency preparedness yes but learn learn how to put on a tourniquetlearn how to feed yourself learn yes learn how to grow some fucking food learn how to cook that
02:05:03fucking food get an i-fact all that comes before like you get to be a follow-up character yep oh yeahoh yeah an individual first aid kit you can buy them online buy them online you can buy themin gun stores you can buy you can buy them in like some pawn shops yeah i like north american rescueor north river rescue i'm sure we'll talk would i text more in the pot yeah well there look there aretwo big things one we all have a moral obligation to consistently counter the black pill doomersshit everything is coming to an end like it doesn't have to that's optional like we we things are goingto get bad but there's degrees of there's degrees of bad we can stop it from being you don't needcivilization right we don't need civilization to end like that can be done step two we also have
02:05:49an obligation to counter the individualist stuff and and and focus our efforts more towards towardscommunity and relationships that is so so important because every idiot that's going to buy a gun andhave a bunker not only it's not going to make it but it's going to screw the rest of us like this hasto be a communal effort and on the civilization thing like we do need the civilization to changelike we need human society as we lay out we have has a lot of problems i understand people'scritiques of human civilization but we also still need a society but yeah we need we need places thatyou know people are going to gather and people you know provide the things that we have um inoticed that that can be a loaded word on certain political circles so i'm not you know we're not
02:06:28getting into like a civilization theory and that kind of anything yeah i was gonna say i would argueany ideology or ideas just the boogaloo that uh kind of hypes up a collapse is generally one youshould stay away from anything that makes the collapse sound like a makes it makes it soundsexy it does personal glory as i think it's important to remember like if there was some massivecivil conflict that happened i think the people who would suffer the most are the non-combatantsas we will talk about anything to deal with it yeah yeah as we will talk about in our comingepisode of terrorism bad um we'll do plugs at the end hold put the gun back in your pants holdyourself together i was talking about historical precedent earlier about um things we've seen in
02:07:07the past with collapses and how people with guns and people who with training end up being the oneswho gain power um something that like i was specifically reading about that was um like therwandan genocide yeah if you know it was just the what three months where most of the tutsi peoplewere wiped out um there are conflicting numbers so i'm not gonna specifically say any but umyou know the more recently like this year earlier this year um was only when rwandaadmitted what it was that it was a genocide and um the people the armed forces were the ones whobecame like the the leaders and they were backed by the government good thing that can't happen inamerica yeah yeah and uh it's like it can't happen here though no it cannot we are we are immune
02:08:02to this in our spot of the world called it will not happen here the other thing is look at whereyou get your information from seriously no matter who you are take a long hard look at who you getyour information even if you're on the left during the summer of 2020 some americans suspected thatthe fbi had secretly infiltrated the racial justice demonstrations and you know what they were righti'm trevor erenson and i'm hosting a new podcast series alphabet boys as the fbi sometimes yougotta grab the little guy to go after the big guy each season will take you inside an undercoverinvestigation in the first season of alphabet boys we're revealing how the fbi spied on protestersin denver at the center of this story is a raspy voiced cigar smoking man who drives a silver hearse
02:08:58and inside his hearse with like a lot of guns he's a shark and not in the good bad ass wayand nasty sharks he was just waiting for me to set the date the time and then for sure he was tryingto get it to heaven listen to alphabet boys on the iHeart radio app apple podcast or wherever youget your podcast i'm lance bass and you may know me from a little band called in sync what you maynot know is that when i was 23 i traveled to moscow to train to become the youngest person to go tospace and when i was there as you can imagine i heard some pretty wild stories but there was this onethat really stuck with me about a soviet astronaut who found himself stuck in spacewith no country to bring him down it's 1991 and that man sergey krekalev is floating in orbit
02:09:51when he gets a message that down on earth his beloved country the soviet union is fallingapart and now he's left defending the union's last outpost this is the crazy story of the 313days he spent in space 313 days that changed the world listen to the last soviet on the iHeart radioapp apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts what if i told you that much of the forensicscience you see on shows like csi isn't based on actual science the problem with forensic sciencein the criminal legal system today is that it's an awful lot of forensic and not an awful lot ofscience and the wrongly convicted pay a horrific price two death sentences in a life without parolemy youngest i was incarcerated two days after her first birthday i'm molly herman join me as we put
02:10:52forensic science on trial to discover what happens when a match isn't a match and when there's noscience in csi how many people have to be wrongly convicted before they realizethat this stuff's all bogus it's all made up listen to csi on trial on the iHeart radio appapple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts especially especially on the left you know ifyou want to hear about something that's happening in an area look at the people who are actuallyon the ground reporting that people don't just rely on like news aggregators especially on twitteryeah there's been a lot of bad very bad faith news aggregators on twitter who are posing asleftists this has been a huge problem in 2020 even leftists who just don't do that or just
02:11:43or just do a very bad job people who call themselves like counter extremism there'scounter terrorism researchers and they are really talking about antifa they say that they are counterextremism researchers and they pose that way and they look sometimes like they could be sometimeslike they think not they're not but like you know very varying degrees of like legitimacy but likethey focus only on like the left-wing stuff they don't think yeah they don't see what the actualit has to be this idea of like keeping it balanced right like not making it just like a far rightissue which i would argue i think a lot of other people would that this kind of stuff ismore concerning it is not only a far right issue and there is like merit definitely to looking at
02:12:35sure left acceleration yeah absolutely which is not for the record like left accelerationism is nottalking about anti-fascist but um that's really not time to get into it but i mean left accelerationismwill be will be its own episode but what what some people do posing as um you know people who havecredibility and are able to um kind of sway opinion they are not really doing what they saythey're doing they're really just trying to shift the narrative from of of racially motivated violentextremism which is a big obviously issue to being like blm is racially motivated violentextremism and they want to push that narrative further and further i think and let's let's let'skind of probably start to like uh wrap up and say our final thoughts on you know this whole this whole
02:13:35topic um i know we didn't we didn't we did not we did we did not get to talk about like eco defensevery much anyone has any final thoughts on that and how they see it kind of growing and how theysee the state's response to it um that might be worth briefly mentioning but yeah let's kind of let'skind of go around in a circle and give kind of everyone's you know final thoughts on the on thesubjects um i think collapse is is bad and i think that uh well i mean that's my main my main thingbut anything that's uh appealing to you in on like an ecological level that's collapse related tosomething you should be very wary of and i think you should be very wary of like generally everythingi feel like that's kind of like a butcher yeah be be careful about everything yeah um yeah i guess
02:14:26in my opinion the idea of total collapse is very misleading because it's easy and disasters don'twork like that you're not going to suddenly reset one day um everything is going to suck and you'regoing to need to fight for whatever semblance of a society that you want to see in the worldtalk to your fucking neighbors it's kind of people in your city in your neighborhood there are peopledoing good shit in whatever city town you live in most likely if not you can start it look at yourlocal mutual aid network look at the people who are taking action around and get involved seriouslyyou know it could be going out into a park saturday mornings and just like giving out food and talkingto the people who are most affected talk to people seriously i mean everyone's a person you need to
02:15:11talk to touch grass talk to people yeah if you need like the most basic thing to start on any sort ofmutual aid work try to find a food not bombs chapter in your area yeah they're well organizedthey're easy to join if you don't have to put on block and fight a cop it's yeah it's a good entrypoint and get and it's great it's great training for disaster relief yes if you have money and youwant to help seriously just give cash to unhoused people on the street give money give money to peoplegive money directly to people yep uh my last thoughts are just that i think the idea of collapseor rather actual collapse themselves environmental or otherwise will always be something to rallybehind like it is always a an entry point as well as a motivator from from all for all sides from
02:15:57all sides um but it's like when these things become very silent like was mentioned before whenthey're outside of your door that's when you know that's when like the ideology kind of hits thepavement like what is actually going to play out what is actually going to happen and how that'sgoing to affect people it's very real so building community you know building connections umand just understanding you know who is in your community it's probably one of the most importantthings uh yeah the idea of collapse is a uh romantic and ridiculous notion uh come up withpeople who are like really into like apocalyptic thinking and the version of themselves wherethey get to be the main character so first and foremost take care of each other there are a
02:16:39lot of people out there who want to manipulate you and want to change the way you think aboutthings and they really really want you to buy in to the end times and you don't have to becauseyou're smarter than that yeah it's it's not hopeless we really have to move away fromhierarchical thinking our society really incentivizes hierarchical thinking like you'resaying too thick like we um we really need to just be focusing on people like if things peoplebecause you know somebody doesn't have to you know earn you know respect and earn humanityfor some reason we try and make it seem like that but people are people um people are indifferent circumstances because of usually because of just the way that the world is and um yeah you
02:17:29need to just you need to organize locally you need to help your own people andstay away from the internet shit don't stop posting don't stop posting as i'm asstop posting even though i will keep doing it because i'm because i'm the good poster umwho wants who wants to plug the pod which pod you are proud of follow at terrorism bad uh we're onum that's our that's our what is the pot like what what what do you what do you know yeah we gothrough um portrayals of terrorism and extremism and and conspiracies and conspiracies in popularmedia and we look at it from the perspective of people who study this and say did this succeedin portraying these things or did it as it more often does cause problems completely fail and cause
02:18:19us all personal problems become propaganda yes did you make terror propaganda or did you make good mediaabout terror that is a thin line me such a thin line i've made a career out of it that is the thatis the thin terror line yeah um do you want to plug your fantastic group yeah absolutely i'mwith uh you can read anything i write at anti hate dot ca and we do just general reporting on uh farright extremism in canada as well as infiltration podcast oh and i also host a podcast called theunusual show yeah uh if you want to keep up to date on extremism in canada their group is oneis probably the best one around right now in my opinion um and yeah and large and you you do youdo very good work you keep your eye on my home country where my family lives so thank you for that
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02:22:58plans for an upcoming rally in washington dc that's has a lot of that seems goodyeah this is uh this is a bad thing's never happened when yeah what happened rally in dc whathappened last time what happened last time you did this i don't i historically only pay attentionto things that happen after may and before december uh huh so i'm unaware of anything badever happening at dc well something bad stuff happened there you want to you want to last lasttime i got i got a little spicy um okay you say spicy but it's not like they tried to overthrowthe government murder elected leaders right that is what they actually having too much funyeah they got these boys they were just proud of their boys a little carried away building all of the
02:23:48building that big uh hanging contraption whatever it's called the gallows garrison the gallows yeahanyway we're talking about a theo do you want to do want to introduce yourself yeah hey guys i'mtheo um idealist and a researcher uh i'm based out of virginia allegedly allegedly um i end upcovering a lot of events in dc because of that and yeah that's my plans for this weekend yeahdo you want to do you want to give us like an overview of what rallies in dc have been likethe past let's say like the past year um oh boy do i yeah let's just for background yeah solike pretty much immediately post election as the whole kind of stopped the steel thing gotkicked into gear um november 14th there was a rally in dc um and then there was one december 12th
02:24:46and then there is finally one as most people are probably aware on january 6th um january 6th youknow obviously got the bulk of the media coverage um but november 14th and especially december 12thwere uh very violent situations in general um proud boys uh general chuds uh a bunch ofoath keepers yeah three percenters a bunch of people's confused memos and pat paps showed upwould kind of wander around the city yeah yeah they did yeah um pretty pretty fucked up i i knowsome people who were there when they did and it's uh i don't know it's sad like i uh super darkyeah i think i was there with the people that you know yeah oh good yeah so you i mean that it'sjust it's so fucking um i don't know the extent of the disinformation right it's hard when you're
02:25:49talking about this to like express a lot of sympathy for some of these people and i'm notsympathetic towards their aims i'm not trying to do the new york times like let's talk to thetrump voter on the street but like a lot of them are just like they're fucking dumb people who boughtinto some bullshit and it it destroyed them and their relationships with their families and in somecases cost them their lives and like you don't have to sympathize with them to be like yeah that'sbleak of shit you know yeah and i think you see that with the dc rallies really more so than likeof portland proud boy event for example that is not at all a gathering of like the masses that'sthat's a specific group of pieces of shit yeah yeah and like you'd have absolutely like units of
02:26:35proud boys or oath keepers we had three percenters and local virginia militias and they'd kind of bewandering around but during the day itself you'd normally see uh like speakers alex jones was thereum got to meet him that was fun um oh good oh that's always a treasure meeting alex no alexhe's a great guy show him a meeting alex it was really fun he's his neck it's hard to exaggeratehow he is just as red in person he's so red and as a guy who's good at strangling seems like hewould be hard to strangle oh nearly impossible yeah like that's so big it's such like it's like afucking train car like it's ridiculous how big that man's neck is look yeah most people aren'thard to strangle alex jones would be that's not praising him that's just being honest great so
02:27:30during the day there would be speakers you know alex jones and you kind of see people split up intowhatever their specific brand of fuckery is there's like groups of nerdy looking groipers umthere were some trad cats wearing robes those guys were fun god damn it but yeah a lot of it'syou know confused like boomers on facebook and kind of to robert's point like i i normally didn'tgo you know wearing press credentials because i value knives being outside of me and not insideof yeah it's it's good to not get stabbed most people appreciate that yeah yeah it's one ofmy favorite things and so i'd get to like talking to these people especially the older ones becausei take the metro into the city and they are i mean they're just confused old people who've gotten
02:28:18in over their heads but yeah and like the sun would set and that's when the proud boys wouldreally start uh getting into shit uh november 14th they stabbed i don't know if i'm rememberingthis correctly so feel free to fact check me but i believe it was two people on the 14ththey cracked a girl's skull and then on december 12th uh they stabbed one other person and jeremybertino got belayed on the street he sure did he sure did and the fucking da elected not to prosecutebecause that was the clearest case of self-defense i have ever seen in my life um yeah so like likethe dude literally tried to flee three times he drew his knife after by the third time he wasblinded by having a shirt pulled and assaulted by a group he had no other choice yeah yeah he did
02:29:13exactly what you're supposed to do in that situation and he repeatedly tried to flee andwhat he did and he stabbed him other fucker and you can't i can't he did nothing wrongin my in my opinion the da's opinion yeah yeah we're all probably better off for it but yeahthere's this kind of established uh there was this established sort of cycle of show up a bunch ofweird republican politicians that you've never heard of before give speeches uh you go and kindof wander around and then the proud boys come out and they fuck around uh and sometimes othergroups too like uh january the night before january 6th there were people from nsc 131who were hanging out trying to cause trouble getting in altercations all their normal shit
02:30:04and uh so yeah there's this kind of like general mix of groups uh january 6th shifted the paradigmon that a lot and i think that's the big thing for this weekend is we don't really know what it'sgonna look like yeah can you talk about kind of what has kind of the event promotion looked likefrom the right like what have they what messages have they been putting out to promote this eventwith so yeah a lot of like the bigger groups have been fairly explicitly saying like don't gogo officially uh unofficially is a bit of a different story and fairness it's worth notingthat prior to um the the united rally in charlottesville the proud boys were saying don't goand an awful lot of their most violent members were at united the right in charlottesville you
02:30:55know it some some of this is a plausible deniability game yeah so like the official proudboys telegram channel was like oh this is i mean in different words but we're pretty much like thisis a honeypot this is a trap this is an op don't go um but also like we've seen activity thatreally suggests otherwise yeah um whether it's like smaller more local groups saying that theywant to go or uh streamers and journalists using the word lightly to uh who have pretty closerelationships with these groups uh hiring extra stringers for the weekend or looking like they'repreparing to report on something big yeah the kind of the i know we've talked a little bit um onlineand with some of our colleagues and there's definitely a a mixed a mixed a mixed opinion
02:31:50on how big the event's gonna be and who's all gonna be there and what kind of their goal iswhich makes kind of everything all the more tense because you know it's almost easier to when weknow what it's gonna be like we like we have a good grasp of what's gonna happen and this we're notreally sure um do you do you know has there been any kind of response from like local dc officialslike like law enforcement or anything about what they're gonna do at this uh gathering so i did seecapital police is planning to put the fence back up um probably a good idea yeah yeah which like we'llcover the capital but there's also a problem with the fence going up which is the back of the fencegoes right up to the end of the black lives matter plaza in dc which has been used as kind of a
02:32:39rallying point for uh antifascist activists and when that fences up it's just it's a funnelthe so it goes like uh this isn't a visual medium there's a street uh and that's whereblack lives matter plaza is and there's only two exits and both those exits lead to hotelsthat proud boys and chuds love to stay in so what happens almost without fail is people go and hangout in the plaza you know chuds come down the streets police form a line and it's pretty mucha pre-made kettle right so that's like not good uh it's good for the capital but it's not goodfor the people that'll be on the ground yeah because we there also as is most of these eventsum there's been some organizing locally and even you know uh antifascist from around kind of the
02:33:36country trying to like put out advice and feelers on like what to do for the specific gatheringum and i know there's been there's been a decent amount of you know there's there's always likedebate and conflict of around how much to show up where to show up you know how pro-act peopleshould be um but because this is the first big rally since j6 i feel like there's a lot of peoplefeel it's much more important and like people have like you know there's there's like a heightenedsense around the specific thing um do you know like how many people are kind of roughly planningto show up uh on like the antifascist side it's really hard to tell um dc antifascist actionsi've seen you know a couple dozen people in block uh towards close to 100 i would um from what i've
02:34:30heard the kind of main counter demo that's happening is uh definitely less radicaland is kind of trying to establish sort of a community space thing uh so i would say i don'tknow expect around 40 to 50 like people who are there to throw hands yeah and a lot more peoplewho are just kind of there i mean it's it's this uh it's this thing we saw i was i was in dc forunited rite two you know the second rally and it it didn't turn into much of a thing you know i thinkbecause of the the preparation the expectation and i i guess i'm interested in if you think i'mwrong on this but my current expectation is that maybe that might be the most likely outcome becausebecause of the degree of the unexpected event already occurred and was awful i'm not expecting
02:35:30anyone will be given free leash you know yeah i could definitely see that sort of unite theright to scenario playing out especially because it is very similar like there was this massiveshocking event that kind of yeah uh hit the whole nation's attention yeah and so then people willi think the only big difference is like in the aftermath of unite the right you kind of sawat times a misguided media focus but still a media focus on anti-fascist activists as playinga yeah unique role when you didn't have that for january six and i think that's that's really oneof my bigger worries is less so kind of clashes between chuds and uh anti-fascists which is stilli mean you know that's always a thing that may happen but also like you have to think
02:36:27these chuds that are coming when they look at dc police they see someone they see the people whokilled ashley babbitt when the dc police look at these chuds they're the people who beat someonebeat one of their co-workers to death and you know like there's capital police not same as dc metropolice but like in the minds of both these groups that doesn't really matter and i i worry aboutthe tension there i like i don't care if they mace each other you know if the proud boys and copsmace each other then that's a great day for me but if it escalates further and you know we'reseeing that more and more the past what's it the past two kind of major right-wing rallies in thepacific northwest have had shots fired yep yep yep one it had every every recent p and w protest
02:37:33has involved gunfire yeah and like the the one the august 22nd one had i i guess i guess you couldcall it a legitimate a very brief exchange yeah yeah a casual gunfight i mean the the start of itwas not legitimate the right winger who fired was not legitimate um but the the two people on theleft who responded were doing so in self-defense now right what happened a couple of weeks laterfrom the video that's come out was not self-defense it was a guy shooting at somebody pursuing themfrom like 50 feet back you know it was not legally what you would call self-defense for certainyeah and that kind of the precedent that that's set uh which i i think it's happened few enoughtimes that we can't really say that it's it's the norm or anything like that but it's still it's an
02:38:26escalation it's yeah something that is did like if that if that had happened in 2017when you know the right happened like that would have been unprecedented it's very frighteningyou know and it it should be it doesn't matter what you think about the morality of shootingtiny you know or whatever exchanges of fire becoming more common is a threat to everybodyand it is something that should concern everybody yeah i mean it reminds me a lot ofand this was kind of the impetus of the first season of it could happen here but like theearly days of something like the syrian civil war where it went from protests toto exchanges of gunfire to you know what it is now yeah do you think dc specific gun laws
02:39:22will make gunfire in dc a little bit less likely do you think or i know like still like the policealways have that capacity if they feel you know if they choose to but more specific on like theright between people i don't know it's like you know boobs are going to show up or whateveror what kind of talk do you see around firearms so yeah kind of just from experience i thinkmy worry with dc's gun laws is only one side will be armed uh every every time that chuds come todc i mean they are obviously carrying i mean every single one of them is print is printingyou can tell that they have firearms on them they don't really try to hide it andand none of them have ever i mean i guess apart from tario getting arrested for
02:40:13illegal magazines like none of them have really faced any consequences for thatand the general fear among people on the left is well even if i do come and i carry for self-defenseif i get arrested for something unrelated that'll enhance whatever charges i getyeah no it's sketchy and it's um i don't i'm not convinced in the situation dc is in specificallythat showing up with a fucking firearm is is the right call you know i'm not in this business tolecture people but i'm not convinced that's going to help in the pacific northwest we've seensituations where people with weapons as on the 22nd defended themselves and others and we'veseen situations in which people on the web with weapons on the left escalated things so it's not
02:41:04a it's never a zero sum game you know it's not it's not a simple issue right again is a neutral toolyou know yeah and i don't want to like i don't want it to come off like i'm encouraging you knowevery person in block to show up with a long gun good lord no no absolutely because that would bebe a fucking disaster most likely but also like i i don't like the idea of you know looking ata line of proud boys or something and knowing every single one of these people has a gunand i do not that's yeah absolutely an imbalance of force that i don't like when thing if thingsdo escalate yeah no that's completely reasonable in my opinion but yeah i mean i think the big thingis just there's so many unknowns uh you know we've never really there's not much of a historical
02:42:01precedent for group tries to overthrow the government group shows back up in dc months lateror elements of the same kind of ideology and yeah yeah we just don't know i mean even likei think the unite the right to example is similar but also like markedly different enoughthat i don't know if it's an all-encompassing tool for like this is what it's gonna look likeyeah is there any like specific players that you know is gonna show up or or have like saidthat they're gonna show up so one that i kind of worry about is um oh i'm gonna get fucking tweetsfor this god damn it um so there's a group in virginia that you may have heard of uh blm 757oh god these guys no yeah i know who you're talking about yeah uh they are based out of the
02:43:02virginia beach area and they are the biggest pain in the ass ever um they work with they claim to be ablack lives matter organization uh the local black lives matter organizations have to announce themthey work with boogaloo boys they were very tight with mike dunne before he uh snitched and droppedoff the face of the earth snitched on people yeah um and then yeah they they come and i don't likethe idea of them coming to a town that is not familiar with them because like they come to richmondfor example and people are like oh there's blm 757 we don't fuck with them but they come you knowthey come to a town or groups like this like uh nfac the not not fucking around coalition tried tocome to dc and i these groups that are gonna be armed are gonna want to escalate and are gonna kind
02:43:58of try to slide in to like a counter demo or stick around like the more left-leaning parts of thecrowd and then could very quickly escalate things uh so they're one that i'm worried aboutsome local virginia militia movement players have been chatting about it i haven't seen reallythat much in the way of like definitive statements that they're gonna go um and those guys don'treally worry me they're a bunch of nerds who like to play dress up in the woods mostlybut yeah it's again it's just like these kind of unknowns yeah so just like not knowing who'sgonna show up and what they're gonna do and where they'll be and yeah yeah like and this was a thingdefinitely it reminds me a lot of the first stop the steel rally where we had more concrete uh group
02:44:59saying we're gonna be there there's a lot more chatter about it on social media but it was stillkind of like i don't know like what range of the sort of right wing ideological spectrum will behere like i know you know q and on your q and on uncle will be there but like for example on november14 uh jason kessler was there the organizer of unite the right i literally bumped into jasonkessler oh god like i was walking and my shoulder hit him and i looked up and i was like oh sorry dudeand then i just kind of stopped and i was like oh shit i recognize you yeah you're that famouspiece of shit yeah but yeah so like it's kind of that same thing where we don't we really just don'tdon't have that much intel and it seems like you know people with access to more streams of information
02:45:56than us like the feds have been saying for i guess a couple months now like we're monitoring thissituation we're like preparing to stop another january 6 which take it with a grain of salt itis the feds but also like part of me a lot of the worry i get from this is people that i knowknow more than i do reacting to it like chud streamers hiring stringers feds saying likeannouncing months before that it's a situation that they're preparing for a lot of people are veryinterested in what's going to happen i think people are definitely preparing for a lot ofdifferent different outcomes and that makes any kind of resistance to it hard because you don'tknow if you're over if you're over preparing under preparing you don't know if you'll have what you'll
02:46:50if your preparations are too aggressive or not aggressive enough yeah yeah and always tryingto like you know feel it out once you're there is more scary because once you're there in person alot of communications break down between other you know other activists so that's what happenedin like the last big rally in portland is people try to you know change up plans once they got tothe spot and it kind of made everything a lot a lot more challenging because it's hard to a lot ofa lot of people in block don't have their phone on them it's just it's hard to get rye it's youknow any kind of any kind of impromptu organizing at the site it's always going to be way morechallenging than trying to figure this stuff out at home and yeah that's just kind of i don't know
02:47:29it's it i think i think the united rite two background is useful for like a big event afteryou know a previous event that had a lot of coverage and had a lot of talk about it because it hadyou know a disastrous outcome and then i think looking at you know looking at november 14thand december 10th um are also it are also kind of valuable indicators uh has there been any haveyou seen anything around the grippers or like any of the fuentes crew showing up to this orthere are they trying to just are they are they trying to like keep good optics i guess i as faras i've seen they're mostly trying to keep good optics around us um that makes they also theyalso kind of fall into the category of like people i'm not super worried about
02:48:19like some of them yeah but in like a street fight situation in a street fight less so i i'm notworried about a groeper yeah like the the most violent encounter i've ever had with a groeperwas one that was probably five feet tall following me around and calling me a soy boy for 30 minutesyeah what i'm more concerned about is is groeper is kind of following the in-sale terrorism traditionof you know skinny of skinny white guys getting access to weapons and then then doing somethinguh they're not any man with a gun is dangerous yeah yeah and they're not gonna be true yeahyeah here finish what you were saying garrison yeah i'm just saying like you knowall of all of the grippers i've seen they're not going to beat me in a fist fight because
02:49:06they're all even even more not even more lengthy than i was gonna say because you're fast asshit but yeah and and that and that's yeah yeah i think that's kind of another thing that'sthat's you know it's always a possibility of these things like i i always say like the worstpossible outcome is someone someone starts shooting like a firefight is always the worstway this could go but with the sort of optics surrounding this i think there's definitelyspace for more extreme people uh specifically more accelerationist minded people to try tostart something to try to cause some shit i mean uh like i said i'm in virginia i think of the richmondgun rally uh in or lobby day in what was that 2019 20 beginning of 2020 i forget all time
02:50:09is a flat circle to me now but um the members of the base that were intercepted on their way torichmond uh i think about that situation and how other people and other groups uh that wewill not talk about on pod could see an opportunity here yeah and i think that's i think that's morelikely happening in somewhere like dc than it is in portland right because in portland we have apretty good grip on who shows up and why they show up on the east coast the south um northeastsoutheast they have a lot more groups with interests with you know obscure ideologiesthat are more i think more prone to those types of to those types of like um more insurgent attacksand i think people are on the west coast yeah and i think another thing that kind of amplifies that
02:51:06is like you said like portland has kind of an established infrastructure of chud fuckerysure do it you know i mean i i'm on the other side of the country and i know the familiarfaces of portland bullshit and we we do have that to an extent but dc brings people fromall across the country uh i was meeting people on the metro from everywhere from tennesseeto kansas to california and when people are coming in from such a broad range of placesthere's a lot more uncertainty yeah well i'm not sure and anything else you want to mention aboutkind of what you expect at this rally and any i don't know general advice has since you'vebeen at the past three versions yeah so i mean if you're in the dc area or you're nearby and you're
02:52:07comfortable with it and physically able to do so i show up um the one thing that we do knowfor sure about these events is that the more bodies we have the less likely it is for people to beable to pray on someone walking home from work or a houseless person just trying to sleep yeah themore bodies that we have the better it is um if you are either unable to come or you don't feelcomfortable coming i know that there will be jail support mutual aid efforts uh and garrison i cansend you to some links to local dc orgs if you want to throw it in the show notes sure um yeahjust and if you're gonna go be prepared have have a buddy uh block up bring uh bring an ifac and getready to party yeah i think what one of the things you mentioned is like more numbers helps in the
02:53:20case of it's less likely there'll be like roaming attacks because that's what we've seen at a lot ofthese rallies is that sometimes they don't ever like actually cause trouble at where people are youknow like where the where the people are they wait until people are walking away or going back to theircar or if there's no one like that they just find some random person on the street you know we saw alot of that in dc uh of of proud boys just finding kind of people in the area that they thought lookedlike antifa quote unquote and then just attacking them um so you know the the less scattered peopleare um the less likely you'll get kind of those roaming attacks yeah i think i mean it's it'sit's always hard to speculate on an event on an event that hasn't happened yet but um i believe
02:54:04by the time by the time this airs it'll be happening tomorrow so uh saturday thio dowant to plug anything uh yeah you can find me on twitter um at theohanson theo with a zero uh listento my podcast uh terrorism bad uh we look through portrayals of terrorism and extremism and popularmedia see how it holds up to the real world um trying to think of anything else i'll be thereon saturday i'll be live tweeting the event uh if i'm not live tweeting yeah good luck with thatdead or otherwise incapacitated or i don't have cell service one of the cell service is alwayshorrible at these things oh it's awful yeah it's a constant problem yeah yeah they they were blockingsignals on january 6 on the capital lawn and when i stepped off i had like 13 texts from all my
02:54:58friends that were like hey text me if you're still alive it's really hard to tell what's going onyou know when you're when you're like whether or not it's like a cell signal problem or if it'ssomebody like targeting you in particular it's frustrating yeah all right well thank you seeyou thank you for giving us the rundown on saturday's activities um i hope you don't get shot thank youi hope i do not as well that's my general feeling towards anyone who shows up on on you know on the18th in dc i hope you don't get shot do your best yeah and if you do get shot know what to do aboutit well yeah have a have a have an ifax have a turn i get a minute you know have some cell locksyeah that's ideal but not getting shot is better so yes you cannot number one try not to get shot
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