Behind the Bastards - Jacob Wohl is Still The Dumbest Person In Politics

Episode Date: May 16, 2019

In Episode 61, Robert is joined by Shereen Lani Younes for an update on Jacob Wohl. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is delicious. You know, they're basically calamari. So they're like kind of tangy and tender? I don't eat meat. Oh, you don't eat meat? Well, boiled pig anuses are barely meat. I mean, they're 80% vegan, I'd say. The last episode we were on, we mentioned butt holes pretty late into the episode, but we were just right out at the gate just talking about butt holes again. We're right out the gate, and when you think about it, Shareen, right out the gate could even be a butt hole reference. Yeah, when you poop, what happens? It goes right out the gate into what's it called, the ivory throne? The ivory throne or the top, the hood of a cop car, wherever you prefer to go to the restroom. Fuck the police, respect.

Or at least poop on their cars. That seems a little bit less aggressive than fucking them, because you know, consent and stuff. Word, word. Anyway, my guest this week is Shareen Laniunis, co-host of the ethnically ambiguous podcast, Cage Fighter. Facts. And facts, a fact, you're a fact? Facts, I said fact, like yes, I'm a co-host and yes, I'm a Cage Fighter. It's facts. Those are both facts. Yes, listeners will be interested to know that Shareen only does recording sessions with tape around her knuckles covered in broken glass in case she needs to get into a cage fight.

Yeah, that's actually, that was confidential information that I only shared with my colleagues, so I'm glad you've shared that with the whole world now. I guess my secret's out. I'm a badass! You do a lot of damage to the microphone stands, so we've been having some issues as a result of all the glass on your wrists. You know what, I'm sorry, I already paid back the office, I gave them the money to repair the microphone, that's not my problem anymore, you know, it's theirs. Speaking of people who are everybody's problem, you know who we're gonna talk about today, Shareen? I do, oh I do, we're revisiting an ex of mine that we talked about before, we had an intimate but brief relationship a couple months ago where we both discussed him, and now he's back in my life, what can I say? Now he's back in all of our lives because he refuses to leave. Today we are talking about our dear friend and special boy, Jacob Wohl. Special boy, what a special punchable face boy.

When we last talked about Jacob, I ended that episode with a line, as of this episode, Jacob Wohl is still under investigation by the FBI, he is also still on Twitter. Now, today, in the year of our lord 2019, only one of those things is currently true. Jacob Wohl is no longer allowed on any social media, and we'll get to why in a little bit. But first, let's talk about his trip to Minneapolis, Minnesota. So, on February 13th, 2019, conservative grifter slash filmmaker Ali Alexander created the Investigate Ilhan Omar Fund on his rightly news and politics website, Culture. I'm already out. You're done. Well, does it change your mind to know that his right wing news and politics website, Culture, spells Culture with three T's? The fuck? Why? I don't know. I assume there's an explanation there.

Instead of spelling it with three K's, what's the... Well, I mean... I have a point. I have a point. You have a point. Ali Alexander is not a white guy, so he can't be racist. So, I mean, that argument there is just wiped out immediately. Yeah, he probably doesn't see color. So, we should have no issues with the documentary he makes about Ilhan Omar. That's true, you know? He probably doesn't see color. He probably has a lot of good points of view that I need to hear about, because his experience is so much more valid than my own, so I must listen.

Yeah, and his investigation of Ilhan Omar had no racial tinge to it whatsoever. He just wanted to investigate to see whether or not she married her brother in order to immigrate to the United States. I'm vomiting. I am vomiting. Now, there was no evidence whatsoever and has never been any evidence whatsoever to substantiate this claim. However, Ali Alexander solicited $25,000 in donations to send a team to Minneapolis to investigate these claims. That team wound up consisting of Jacob Wall and Laura Loomer. Wow. Dream team. Strive for success. Dream team. Yeah.

If you're unaware of Miss Laura Loomer, she is a 25-year-old fake journalist most famous for badly handcuffing herself to Twitter's headquarters after being banned from that service for repeatedly harassing Representative Omar. She was so bad at handcuffing herself, when she handcuffed herself to the door, her goal was to stop people from entering Twitter. But she didn't know how to operate handcuffs or doors very well, so she only handcuffed herself to one side of the door. So Twitter employees were able to continue to enter and leave. And when the police showed up, they asked Twitter, like, do you want her removed? And they were just like, no, she can stay handcuffed to the one door. Like, this is not an SNL skit or some hollow tumor bullshit. This is our reality. This dumb bitch. Yeah.

So this is the team. This is the dream team that Ali Alexander assembled to investigate Ilhan Omar's background. As Loomer and Wall took to the streets of Minneapolis, they began to fill the internet with hilarious periscope videos of their adventures. Here's one video clip of Jacob telling the world about the Sharia police who he believes absolutely exist in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Again, I can't emphasize enough, he's claiming this is happening in fucking Minnesota. Now, if you're not familiar with Minnesota, you don't know how this works, but the Islamist forces here have taken over sections of the respective police departments in almost every area. Sharia police in Minnesota now. There are men who walk around in orange vests that say Sharia police in some of these Somali communities, and they are enforcing Sharia law. And let me add, you're going to see all this in the video we're producing. We've got two camera guys, they're over here and over here, and much more production crew, you name it. Now, here's another clip of Jacob Wohl and Laura Loomer talking about the massive security team they totally need for all of the dangerous Islamists that they say are absolutely following them around the streets of Minneapolis.

Do I have to hear this? Yes, yes you have to. We've got a top-notch security team here to get us around, get us from point A to point B. They're right here and right here behind the camera, you can't see them. And we've been going from point A to point B in convoy armored cars, you name it. And, you know, we needed to, we were afraid that we were going to be tailed. We were afraid that Ilhan the jihadi Omar would send somebody after us and tail us as we got out here. Ilhan the jihadist Omar? Are you shitting me? My mouth is on the floor. What the shit? Also behind the camera, they're sitting in a bathroom. I can see the reflection of the light in the door behind them. There's nothing behind them but a fucking bathroom mirror. There's no armored trucks or camera crew. You're taking a fucking vlog for YouTube. What the fuck are you doing? Yeah, I wanted those back-to-back so you could hear them refer to their camera crew as just off-screen and their security crew as just off-screen in the same video because it's clear that they don't have any sort of team.

No. Yeah, we all had fun. Those of us who followed Jacob Wall on the internet watching the ridiculous videos they put out, there was no evidence ever provided that his security team existed. There was no evidence provided of Sharia police enforcing Sharia law in fucking Minneapolis. Jacob Wall did show up in one point in a video wearing a fancy bulletproof vest, which was embarrassing to me because it turns out that we both own the same brand of bulletproof vest. If I were you, I would never share that fact with anybody, but that was great. That was very brave. It's a nice vest. It's frustrating. All that vest ever wanted to do was stop bullets. Well, Wall claimed to have received numerous death threats while investigating Ilhan Omar, and when the 23-minute documentary Importing Ilhan eventually launched on Colt Tut Tut Tut Chair's website, it included a segment where Wall reported his death threats to the Minneapolis police. That segment of the documentary is noteworthy because it included a close-in shot of one of the so-called threats, which read, I hope you fucking know that if I bump into you in Dinky Town or anywhere else in my city, I'm going to shoot you in shit on your fucking bodies. Get the fuck out of my city, you piece of shit. Now. Now, Shireen, keep that threat in mind because it's going to be relevant again in just a minute or so.

But speaking of shit again, and where you shit, some people are into that. Getting shadow. I think Jacob Wall might be into that. He wrote that death threat. But we'll get to that in a second. Now, I've been unable to watch a copy of the full documentary tragically because it's been pulled from the internet due to several crimes that Jacob Wall committed on video. I did find one breakdown of the film's claims against Representative Omar by journalist Tony Webster. Here's his tweet. Here's everything said about Ilhan Omar by interviewees and right-wing video that aimed to end her career. I don't know much about her. I met her twice. She's held events. She's had a lot of coverage. She's okay. She goes too fast, has to slow down, and marriage allegation just a rumor. So, that's what the documentary actually included in terms of real revelations. For a little while, Wall's trip to Minneapolis seemed like it might have been a competent grift.

Everything he said there was an obvious lie, and it wasn't going to do any damage to Ilhan Omar's career. But he and Laura Loomer's claims that they were being hunted by Islamists and needed money to rent armored cars were successful in drumming up thousands of dollars in donation from gullible baby boomers who think Minneapolis is an ISIS stronghold. Wow. On February 26th, 2019, USA Today published an interview with Jacob Wall titled, This 21-year-old tweeted lies about Robert Mueller and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Now he's eyeing the 2020 election. The article opened by focusing on Wall's latest lie. Wait, hold on. Jacob Wall was 21? Yeah, now he is. Yeah. Wait, he's that-

At what age would you guess? I don't know why I thought he was way older than that. Maybe his face just looks disgusting to the point where a young man can't be that ravaged by disease and just filth, you know? It's because being a gross criminal grifter ages you. Like, look at Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd's like 55, and you wouldn't guess he's a day over 30, because I don't think Paul Rudd's ever been mean to anyone. I think he's pure. He's just pure. Jacob Wall is just a piece of shit, and so he looks like he's in his 30s. Yeah, I really thought he was in his 30s. This baby just turned 20 fucking one.

I mean, we already said Laura Loomer's age, but I'm going to guess you didn't pay or you placed it over. No, I already forgot. How old would you guess she is? Yeah, how old would you guess she is by your face? Well, based on the video I just saw, also in late 30s. She's 25. No! Actually, good for you.

Also, quick question. So they were united after she handcuffed herself to the door. They were not friends before, but he was just like, we should reunite forces because we're both after the same target. Yeah, I think he saw that. And she also, she showed up on the lawn of Nancy Pelosi's house and got a couple of illegal immigrants that she paid to like pretend to be protesters arrested. Also, after seeing the videos of them seeing next to each other, they are 100% fucking. They recorded that in their shared hotel room. Sophie's making a thing at me. Sophie says that she's not, she does not think his balls have dropped. While that is a valid point pegging. And probably true.

Bringing back to pegging. Yeah. He, actually, he's not smart enough to know how fun that could be. But... I mean, Shareen, I think what this means is that you and I need to film our own diet. We need to film our own documentary. About pegging? In the spirit of importing Ilhan called pegging wool.

Oh my God. And just, just investigate the very credible allegations we have. Oh no, how do we miss this? That he's been pegging. We should definitely do pegging, but his name is wool. We should do Shearing wool. Like wool. Oh, damn. Like a fucking sheep, you know?

Yeah. And sheep just fall him around. We'll incorporate it in, you know, we'll incorporate it in somehow. It'll be like a Trojan horse. The Trojan horse of our documentary is the pegging. And it's going to be, I just love a good pun, you know? I love a good wool pun. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm trying to like a wool in sheep's butthole. It doesn't work. A wool in sheep's foe. We'll work on this one. Yeah. Sorry. We're going to workshop this next time. We'll kick it around to our writing team and we'll get back to it to listeners.

Yeah. Your people, my people will connect. Yeah. We'll put together 25 grand and put up another documentary on Koltata to cheer. Yeah. Which I assume is how it's pronounced. Every time you say it, I get more and more confused, but it's fine. Yeah.

Now, that USA Today article opened by focusing on Jacob Wool's latest lie. I claim that Kamala Harris was ineligible to be president because her parents weren't legal residents for five years prior to her birth. That was a lie, like literally everything ever said by Jacob Wool ever. Here's how the USA Today quoted the boy. The believability stuck at about 15 to 18% by my measurement. Wool said in an interview shortly afterward, declaring it, not a bad campaign. I love that you said the boy.

I like that. That made me. Yeah, I said the boy. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. Quoted the boy. Oh, he's a boy.

He's a child. He's a boy child. Yeah. Yeah. Now, in that USA Today interview, Wool was happy. I would even say eager to explain the other grifts and cons he had in the works, seemingly oblivious to the fact that these kind of things don't fucking work if you spoil them. Quote from USA Today.

He says he planned to create enormous left-wing online properties such as deceptive Facebook and Twitter accounts and use those to steer the left-wing votes in the primaries to what we feel are weaker candidates compared with Trump. It's a plot similar to what Mueller has charged in indictments that the Russians crafted in an effort to boost the 2016 campaigns of Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein and a hobble Hillary Clinton. Another stated scheme seeking to collect damaging information on left-leaning nonprofits including Media Matters for America, the Southern Poverty Law Center and Right-wing Watch by offering

their insiders moral reconciliation. And if that doesn't work, things of worth such as money or perhaps these stated plans themselves are aroused to fool the mainstream media, which Wool calls a band of lying goblins. A band of... That's a good band name. Yeah, it is a good band name. Lying goblins. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Now, it's funny to me that Wool refers to the mainstream media as a pack of lying goblins because minutes later in the same interview he states that the accuracy of his statements is not the important part. He claims truth is an obsolete concept and brags about the fact that he was wearing a gun to their meeting at a hipster coffee shop in Orange County because of all of the death threats he says he receives.

Quote. And he looks like a goblin. He's a little goblin man. He does look like a little goblin. If you were going to cast another Lord of the Rings movie, but you didn't have money for like props and prosthetics and stuff, you could just have Jacob Woll play all the goblins. 100%. It would work out pretty well.

100%. Yeah. And you know what? That's a good use for Jacob Woll is having him play goblins. Yeah. Everyone has their calling. You know? Everyone has their calling.

Yeah. Yeah. He should get out of politics and get into playing a goblin in Peter Jackson movies. Yeah. He made a big deal. You know? Like he's out there crushing it, you know? Oh yeah.

No. He's doing great. Yeah. No. Gollum owns that sweet-ass house in the Hollywood Hills. Yeah. I think he's dating Cheryl Teague's, right? If I'm not mistaken.

Whoa. Yeah. Interesting children that will come from that. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry.

I was going to say something, but I plumb forgot. Do you remember from our last episode how Jacob Woll loves to make claims about things he's overheard in hipster coffee shops? Oh my God. Yes. Please do tell. Yeah. One example of those tweets would be this October 2018 tweet.

I was sitting in a hipster coffee shop in downtown LA this morning and couldn't help it over here. The six college-age women seated at a table who were clamoring with excitement and joy over the confirmation of Judge Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. So, just in case you haven't listened to the other episode, that's the kind of claims Jacob Woll would make about the things he overheard in hipster coffee shops. USA Today asked him about this. Woll explained that he picks on Bohemian coffee shops because he sees them as the temple

mount of liberalism and calculated that, if you in any way impugned the sanctity of the hipster coffee shop, it's going to be something that gets them really charged up. In describing his methods, Woll casually explained that he makes it up. I'll literally hear one thing and flip it 180 degrees. That's just lying. Wow. But I think he's fine with that. Yeah.

Cool. Yeah, he's garbage. What do you think the Starbucks order is? Maybe like a skinny, non-fat vanilla, two pumps of, what do people, I don't drink coffee. I hate it. I don't know. In the USA Today interview, he just had a cup of water, I think because he might be broke.

Wow. He's one of those fuckers that goes to a coffee shop and just drinks water and sits there for hours and hours. I think so. I get that feeling from Jacob Woll. Wow. I also get that feeling that he has a delicate constitution and coffee might hurt his tummy tum tummy.

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We're talking about Jacob Wolk in his USA Today interview. Now USA Today also spoke with Carolyn Kass for the article. Ms. Kass is the woman that Wolk and his partner Berkman claimed had been assaulted by Robert Muller. Kass claimed that she'd actually tried to hire Wolk when she believed him to be a legitimate private investigator. She paid him $2,000 to help her with unscrupulous characters ripping her off and then was apparently promptly ripped off by Wolk himself.

Who would trust a teenager? I don't understand. She didn't know he was a teenager. He used a different name, he called himself Cohen, and she only met him on the phone up until they were already in business. I'm going to guess she was not the most careful person, which is probably why she got ripped off by other people. If you're Jacob Wolk and you're putting out Craigslist ads saying that this is the business

you're in, you might get some people that you can take advantage of. Not that she deserves to be taken advantage of, but I'm going to guess that's what happened. So Wolk and Berkman his partner immediately ripped Kass off, they wrote up a list of fake allegations and docu-signed it with her name. According to USA Today, she claimed Cohen tried to get her to co-in, which is Wolk, tried to get her to speak at the news conference, but she escaped and learned only as the scheme exploded that Cohen was in fact Wolk. He completely lied to me, Kass said, so that's cool.

Now make a notice of the fact that she said she had to escape from Wolk and Berkman because this will not be the first time somebody makes a claim, or the last time somebody makes a claim like that in this episode. Now, yeah, the most impactful reveal in that USA Today article was that Jacob Wolk bragged at length about creating fake Twitter accounts in order to help spread his lies. This was a clear violation of Twitter's terms of service, and it did not take long for reporters, namely NBC's Ben Collins, to identify some of these fake accounts and publicize them. Wolk was banned from Twitter within hours of the USA Today article's publication.

In classic Jacob Wolk fashion, he pretended this clear and hilarious failure on his part was actually yet another victorious move in his endless 39-dimension chess game. Here's Wolk being interviewed by fellow grifter Ali Alexander for another video on Cult. this. I have set up myself to make a living in a way that doesn't require Twitter because that would be very fragile and I want to be as awesome to live would call it anti-fragile. So this isn't going to affect my living as it has with some other folks but the pattern is clear. Laura Loomer

investigates Ilhan Omar Band. Jacob Engels investigates and tweets about Ilhan Omar Band. Jacob Bull finally gets the goods and puts on a press conference band. But I can promise you one thing, Ilhan Omar is going to be rocked by what we're going to release on Thursday. The halls of Congress are going to be rocked by what we're going to release on Thursday and it will be number one trending on Twitter. So Twitter can say whatever they want. So that's what Wall claimed in the aftermath of that. Now a little bit of a spoiler, Ilhan Omar was not rocked by any of his allegations because there was

no evidence behind them. The press conference did not attract a huge audience but something fun did happen. See when that USA Today article dropped reporter Ben Collins exposed one of Wall's fake accounts has already stated a fake account for a guy named Drake Holmes who was supposed to be a Minneapolis born and raised diversity coordinator because Wall wanted to make fun of diversity I guess. In this fake account, fake Drake misspelled his own last name in his Twitter account. Not long after the revelation that Drake Holmes was of course Jacob Wall, Tony Webster and other journalists realized

that the death threat shown in the importing Ilhan documentary had been filed by Drake Holmes aka Jacob Wall. Now this is a crime. You can't file fake death threats against yourself and report them to the police or you can but it's illegal. So Jacob Wall by admitting in an interview that he made fake threats and then creating incredibly obvious fake Twitter accounts and then using those incredibly obvious fake Twitter accounts that he bragged about to threaten to murder himself and then going to the police with it had committed an incredibly obvious and very well documented crime which is just a

hoot. Is he going to get any repercussions for this crime? That's a great question. Or is he still making fucking YouTube vlogs? What's the... Yeah that's what we're gonna talk about right now actually. So it does seem like he might actually eventually face some some real repercussions. Young Turks journalist Ken Klippenstein filed a FOIA request for documents pertaining to Surefire Intelligence which is the fake intelligence firm that Wall created to slander Robert Mueller. The FBI refused Ken's records request and gave the excuse that they couldn't give him the records because those records pertain to

an ongoing criminal probe which means there's an FBI criminal probe going on into Jacob Wall's fake intelligence company and his attempt to slander special counsel Robert Mueller. Meanwhile Jared Holt another journalist who covers the far right quote tweeted Klippenstein's thread about his FOIA denial letter and noted funny I got a similar response from the state of Minnesota which means there's an ongoing investigation to Jacob Wall's activities in the state of Minnesota for the fake death threats. So it does seem like the wheels of justice might slowly be turning towards Jacob Wall getting in

trouble for committing constant and competent crimes. Ever so slowly. Ever so slowly. Not fast enough. No. Now February was a crowded month for Jacob Wall. It ended with yet another press conference from him and Jack Berkman. This one at CPAC, the annual gathering of conservatives and people who want to ogle conservatives in a safe well-lit building. By this point Wall's grifts had become obvious enough that CPAC barred him from doing any event at the conference itself. So instead he and Berkman held their press conference in the busy lobby. Nothing really happened at the conference. Laura Loomer screamed

that she and Wall deserve to get their Twitter accounts back. Jacob Wall tried to claim that the Mueller investigation was done with and everyone should instead focus on their investigation of Ilhan Omar. The journalist in attendance however just wanted to know if he was being investigated by the FBI. For my money the highlight of the event was a man in an ill-fitting suit wall had paid to pretend to be a bodyguard wearing a single apple air pod in his ear to pretend that he had like one of those one of those secret service things going on. Also it's obviously an air pod. We all know what they look like. Yeah. Jacob

Wall is a perfect example of a very dumb young man who thinks that because he's incapable of you know thinking at a higher level than his own brain works at assumes everyone is as dumb as he is. Which is very dumb. So Jacob Wall would be fooled by someone wearing an apple air pod in one ear pretending to be a secret service type agent. Well but sadly no one else is. Well now for about a month or so after this press conference it seemed like Jacob Wall might be fading into obscurity. But then in late April the Daily Beast published an article revealing his latest scam. An attempt to slander Democratic candidate

and mayor Pete Buttigieg with sexually assaulting a young man who was too drunk to consent. So another false rape allegation which is what cool people do. I think I think he is unable to be forgotten about ultimately. Yeah. He doesn't want to go into obscurity. That's not his deal. He's like even though that video was like I don't want to be on Twitter anyway because I want to I want to be anti-fragile. Also like a dumb word. But he misses Twitter so much. Can you imagine like Donald Trump being banned from Twitter? Like no these people thrive on their dumb opinions just like thwarted into the air. And he if he

doesn't have Twitter he has to be in the media somehow and that's just his whole fucking stick. That's his lifeblood you know. That is like it's all about attention for him. It's the only thing that he cares about. And to the point that like that's part of why none of his grifts really work in the long run because he's unable of thinking things out. Like Roger Stone would probably be down to file fake sexual assault allegations against someone. But he wouldn't do it twice in a year after the first one explodes. He would be more canny about it. He'd spend more time setting it up. He'd make it

harder to catch and he wouldn't immediately commit the same grift like five months later after the first one failed. Because he's just a little bit smarter than that. Like he's not smart. But also like maybe he wouldn't even have been the face of it. You know what I mean? Like he doesn't need like the fact that Jacob Wall needs to be the face and the person that's coming out with this news is just indicative of a personality that needs attention more than anything else. He's not looking for the truth or anything else. He wants to be this face of revelation and bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. He wants to be facing down a

bunch of press guys dressed in a suit. He wants to feel like an FBI agent but without like joining the bureau or investigating anything. Yeah. Like there's there's all these pieces of other careers like politics and journalism and law enforcement that he wants to and like the finance industry that he wants to have but the only pieces he wants of them are like the public-facing pieces that he's seen in movies. He doesn't act in none of the jobs that he wants to do. Does he actually want to do the work? No. Keep in mind he I mean has he gone to any type of schooling or anything to accomplish any

type of actual I don't know like he's just a rich kid like flaunting around as much good money. He's just a rich kid whose dad is like a lawyer who advised Donald Trump on stuff who wants to do shady gross politics stuff and doesn't actually want to work hard. Yeah. Yeah. That's Jacob Wolff. Yeah. What a man. What a man. What a man. What a mighty good man. Now the fake allegations against Pete Buttigieg blew up in Wolff's face because the young man they picked to make the allegations a Republican himself went to the Daily Beast with recorded audio of Wolff and Berkman trying to convince him to lie about a sexual

assault. Oh my god. Yeah. The guy recognized Wolff immediately and was like well I got to take this meeting but I'm just gonna record everything they say and go to a journalist. I like this guy. I like this guy already. Yeah. I'm alright with this guy. Quote. The source who spoke to the Daily Beast said Berkman and Wolff made clear that their goal was to kneecap Buttigieg's momentum in the 2020 presidential race. The man asked to remain anonymous out of a concern that the resulting publicity might imperil his employment and because he said Wolff and Berkman have a reputation for vindictiveness. So several days before

the Beast article could run a young man named Hunter Kelly published a post on Medium alleging that Pete Buttigieg had assaulted him in February of this year. The post was tweeted by a Trump advisor and by Jacob's dad David Wolff and wound up on Big League Politics, a right-wing political conspiracy website. Journalists in it and instantly recognized some things that looked pretty fishy about these allegations like the fact that Kelly's Medium and Twitter accounts were both less than a month old and that the main person he'd interacted with on social media was Jacob Wolff. Can you be more obvious? Are you shitting me?

He's so bad at this. He's so bad at this. It almost upsets me. It almost upsets me that someone with that much money and connections can't get one thing right. Not a single aspect of any of this right. There's terrible guys like Paul Manafort who you look at and you're like they're monsters but at least like most of the things they've done worked. Like this guy is just an idiot. Like he's a moron. Yeah. He doesn't deserve any part of his wealth or any part of his entitlement or privilege. Like he is he's just stupid. You can say about Roger Stone and Paul Manafort. They don't deserve their wealth or their

success that they've had but they at least deserve to be famous because the things that they've done have had an impact on history. Jacob Wolff is like that person without ever having an impact. He's done nothing but like give journalists something to giggle over. He's just flailing. He's flailing for attention. Yeah it's pretty sad. Now that doesn't mean I'm gonna stop laughing about him because I need some to laugh about and this really wipes the payday loan stain out of my mouth. So we're gonna we're gonna keep going on here. The Daily Beast managed to track down the real hunter Kelly who

said that the accounts created in his name were not under his control. He eventually posted a message to his Facebook timeline titled I was not sexually assaulted. Quote to keep it brief for now I was approached by a political figure to come to DC to discuss political situations from the standpoint of a gay Republican. When I arrived they discussed Peter Buttigieg and started talking about how they would be working a campaign against him. I went to bed and woke up to a fake Twitter at real hunter Kelly and an article that I in no way endorsed or wrote. I have since left and I'm working on a formal

statement to give to everyone including the Buttigieg family. Kelly claims that Wolff and Berkman basically flew him to DC and then printed up a fake statement they wanted him to sign. They then posted the statement without his permission. According to the Daily Beast quote he went on to say that they also tried to get him to sign off on a script for a press conference over his protests but he called his family to come get him and then fled. So this is the second person that's felt like they had to flee the presence of Jacob Wolff and Jack Berkman. Now what's interesting to me is that both of the men Wolff and

Berkman tried to con into reporting Buttigieg were Republicans, Trump supporters even. It seems that Wolff and his partner just sort of expected that their fellow conservatives would be down for any kind of grift that hurt Democrats even if it meant implicating themselves in an obvious crimes concocted by idiots with a history of having their crimes instantly exposed. The audio recorded by the Daily Beast source gives some insight into precisely how Wolff tried to sell these young men on engaging in a criminal conspiracy to falsify rape allegations. Quote, when the source expressed reluctance they

assured him the scheme would make him wealthy, famous, and a star in Republican politics. Wolff cited the national recognition given to Christine Blasey Ford after she accused Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault during his confirmation hearings last year. The source did not agree to participate in the scheme, but Wolff followed up with a phone call a day or two later to see if he could recommend friends or associates who might be a good fit to play the victim in the hoax. Wow. I do want to bring up the fact that in our previous episode about payday loans when they were trying to

con the economists to write that article about them in their response email they promised fame and everyone's gonna be knocking on your door or like whatever like and that's all that's their ploy just like you're gonna get so famous from this also Christine Blasey Ford was fucking like crucified by the media yeah I can't imagine I can't imagine a worse kind of fame to get no that she had it's like it seems like it was an unspeakable nightmare for her and her family which shows the kind of person wall is yeah I really don't think I think he was telling the truth in that he believed that she got famous and it

was a good thing because I think he's incapable of seeing any kind of attention yeah and she did get a lot of attention and so that's all he sees bad press is still press and his about and send yeah yeah yeah so he sees this woman being like attacked by the entire right-wing media ecosystem and like like but in the end of the United States and everyone knew her name so that's yeah and so he's jealous of her yeah yeah which there's a core of something deeply sad and depressing there very pathetic it's very pathetic given given the world we live in I'm not for a goddamn second going to feel bad about Jacob

wall just going to laugh about him to again clear the worst bastards out of my head while we uh yeah we talk about this so the Daily Beast looked into the phone number that wall called from it traced back to a company Potomac Intelligence Group which claimed to be a political and corporate intel firm just like surefire intelligence minutes after the Daily Beast reached out to wall about Potomac Intelligence the website was taken down so if you know anything about Jacob wall you know a little thing like repeatedly being revealed as a fraud wasn't going to stop one of his grifts wall and Jack Berkman next

announced a press conference it would be hosted in the driveway of Berkman's house in northern Virginia two days before the event yeah they've gone from like a hot a holiday in for the molar one to like the lobby of CPAC to a driveway a driveway he's fucking stupid fucks he's stupid stupid fucks um two days before the event Berkman tweeted a link to an event bright page called protest against the homophobic bigots this was apparently an event organizing page for a protest against the the press conference being hosted by Jacob wall and Jack Berkman

Berkman claimed that the page was evidence of a real plan for hundreds of leftist protesters to disrupt their super important press conference we will not surrender to the mob we've called an extra security to guard our safety and that of our partners in the media now will summer the journalist who's probably done the most to cover walls various grifts noted that quote before Berkman's tweet no other Twitter account had promoted the event page another reporter Jason Duckman found at the event bright page had been started by someone using the email address woolthinktank at gmail.com

Wow it gets stupider and stupider just try to cover your tracks just try to do make a fake email account Jacob how many fake emails like accounts I've made to get like a 10% off discount I like some fucking site or something like it's very easy to make an email account very easy it's incredible it takes seconds Jacob like it takes seconds come on man this is upsetting yeah it's it's frustrating when wall was confronted about this he claimed I've never used event bright in my life it was created

by a troll we're gonna get to the rest of this story but first you know what's not an incredibly lazy and instantly spotted grift shireen the products that sponsor this show sponsors sponsors sponsors not not grifts at all in fact products that actually deliver a service yeah we need them as a fellow podcaster I get it just support your support your hosts I love a product I love a service here they are during the summer of 2020 some Americans suspected that the FBI had secretly infiltrated the racial justice demonstrations and you know what they were right I'm Trevor Aronson and I'm hosting a new

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times by a garbage truck emptying Berkman's trash and by several low flying airplanes which is why most professionals do not host press conferences and driveways Wohl and Berkman refuted the claims that they had basically kidnapped Hunter by pointing out that they bought him a Starbucks frappuccino and an expensive haircut what they then segued seamlessly to stating that they were investigating Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren in Biden's case they think he might have Parkinson's they invited all 2020 candidates to submit themselves to investigations in order to gain the

sure-to-be coveted Wohl Berkman seal of approval that's that's literally what they referred to it as is the Wohl Berkman seal of approval which I can't imagine any more prestigious it does like all their press conferences this one fizzled out with nothing of value having been presented the closest thing to a scoop was the ominous claim that Berkman's home would be the center of the 2020 election his home yeah he claimed his home was gonna be the center of the election should have ever heard of the 2020 election your house yeah my driveway my lawn god fuck off if like me you're one you're wanting to know

exactly what Jacob Wohl and his bumbling sidekick have planned for 2020 I have some good news for you a few days before Wohl's latest grift collapsed in on itself a document was leaked to the Daily Beast a brochure for something called the Arlington Center for Political Intelligence build is a conservative political intelligence and advocacy organization the ACPI claimed to be able to impact political outcomes for the benefit of conservative candidates as you've surely guessed by now the Arlington Center for Political Intelligence is really just Jacob Wohl in this document which was essentially

an attempt at raising funds for his new company Wohl claimed that ACPI would among other things operate a troll farm allah the internet research agency infiltrate their operatives into democratic campaigns and execute high impact publicity stunts to insert stories into the mainstream media that all sounds like things wall is capable of doing and he just doesn't know how to when to stop or how to stop he's addicted no no grifting he's addicted to grifting and also terrible at it yeah now wall claimed that the ACPI needed one million dollars in funding from investors in order to carry out its

important mission the document went out to lay out a number of plans obviously cribbed from Russian actions laid out in the Mueller report wall wants to use botnetworks to build large accounts that poses leftists and then tell people at the last minute not to vote in 2020 that's actually a plan he laid out was to like pay bots to build fake leftist twitter and instagram accounts and then tell everybody unlike November first not to vote wow that's his brilliant scheme yeah damn yeah he notes that the strategy was utilized by the internet research

agency with moderate effectiveness in 2016 but with a superior handle on American cultural nuances ACPI will be able to have a devastating impact on democratic candidates so basically like because we know that social media exists we're going to use it yeah all that means yeah and it's it what's really funny to me is that he repeatedly references the internet research agency but then like kind of slams them for not understanding American culture and stuff and be like we'll be better than them because we know America better when it's like dude the internet research

agency succeeded in all of its goals and you have fucked up every single grift you've ever tried to carry out don't don't pretend you're better than the Russians at this stuff like they gotta wait with it no oh just the the sheer level of ego on display no i want to know what a daily what a day is like in in jacob wall's life like i want to know like if he like puts on a shirt being like today's the day

today's the day everyone respects me you know today's the day people see me as a serious political option that day will never come Jake i'm so sorry i'm not sorry because you're you're garbage now in the document wall claims to have invented a totally new method of spreading fake news which he calls feeding it up the chain he lays it out in like a really long and complex flow chart but the whole thing boils down to lying to people about having damning stories and then hoping that you get mainstream media coverage from

stoking rumors so basically you want attention yeah exactly yeah exactly uh it's kind of sad but revealing in the document that wall is incapable of seeing anything but virality as a measure of success i'm gonna quote from a chunk of the the document with the advent of and popularization of live streaming via periscope instagram facebook and youtube it has become possible to synthesize manipulated events that garner enormous amounts of attention a textbook example of this trade craft took

place on november 29th 2018 when right-wing activist laura loomer handcuffed herself to twitter hq in new york city after being banned from the site the stunt became the number one trending topic on twitter and resulted in hundreds of articles being published in countless minutes of cable news coverage being broadcast around the world in a calculated move loomer selected new york city is the place to execute the stunt where journalists are plentiful and able to quickly arrive at the scene to broadcast the event on periscope and facebook within 15 minutes of

handcuffing herself to the doors of the twitter hq loomer was surrounded by dozens of mainstream and alternative media journalists who are broadcasting the event namely on periscope to hundreds of thousands of people within the first hour of the stunt laura loomer was the number one trending topic on twitter worldwide so he sees loomer's actions at twitter hq is a huge success because it was popular i guess it wasn't hard like that whole thing that like he like it turns him on to be like whoa she

went to a place that had so much media coverage or whatever also i can't get over the fact that she described it as an activist like yeah that's activism now like oh god but um and like it the attention wasn't people getting angry that she'd been banned and demanding that twitter reinstate her because that didn't happen it was just everyone laughing at her for like 10 minutes and then moving on with their lives because it was funny like that's the thing was like jacob in that like everything that he says in this document is something that like

actual bad actors have done successfully to influence politics in america and elsewhere the ideas aren't unworkable they're just dumb because jacob is dumb and can't pull any of them off and doesn't understand the difference between laura loomer handcuffing herself twitter hq and being laughed at and the russians mounting a campaign to artificially inflate the popularity of third party democratic candidates like uh what's her fucking name the the jill stein in order to yeah in order to like draw

votes away from the democrats like one of those things is debatably effective the other one is just a joke like yeah but he doesn't see all he sees is that they both got attention jill stein got attention laura loomer got attention so that's the same thing his mind is one-dimensional his mind is truly it cannot compute complex thought yeah so 2020 is going to be fun um i mean no it's not 2020 is going to be the worst year of all of our lives but jacob well we're 2020 is that what we're saying i'm just excited for what they're going to grift

next right right right uh laura loomer's gonna to strap herself to something i'm going to guess that jacob woe where it will accuse every single democratic candidate of sexual assault by the time the year is over um which should be a lot of fun i can't wait to see who shits on whose chest you know oh i'm looking forward to who shits on whose chest i hope we get to see jacob woe arrested um by the fbi for crimes but i'm not holding my breath um i think that what he's done is is so

laughable it's it's definitely crimes but i feel like the american justice system does not take him seriously because it's so laughable and as well because i mean we're laughing at him too but the reality is there's still crimes and he has not been faced with any type of justice or or any type of of of like the reason why he keeps doing it is because no one is stopping him yeah he's faced no consequences other than like like i mean his life other than being a grifter is over like he at this point like there's nothing else he can ever do with himself

jacob woe can't go back to college and get another job doing something legitimate because we have hours of him being jacob woe it's the same thing with laura loomer where like laura loomer is famous right now for screaming on info wars that her life is ruined because she's been kicked off of all social media and stuff for all these insane and racist stunts she gets up to and it's like yeah your life is ruined because you'd ruined it by yeah by doing fucked up things to people like it's it's like a rapist being like well my life is ruined now because i'm

a convicted rapist and it's like yeah your life is ruined but like because you rape people because you raped people yeah like don't you shouldn't have done that like you rape people and you got caught which is what they're yeah they're probably thinking it's because they got caught you know yeah you accused a random woman of being a terrorist repeatedly and we're partly responsible for huge numbers of death threats being filed against her that's libel you can't you're not allowed to do that

you did it and so you no one gets in trouble like no this is actually an instance yeah that's what's aggravating is that they don't they don't learn the real fucking lesson and you you have to be pretty bad as a right-wing grifter these days to get banned from twitter like that should tell you how bad Laura Loomer and Jacob Wollarn is like they they got banned from like Paul Watson still on fucking twitter the fact that they have not like that they managed to get like forced twitter to take action

means that they were pretty egregiously violating the services rules and in Wol's case he was literally bragging about breaking twitter's rules to a journalist for a major outlet and it's like yeah dude of course you get banned like i mean i hope it's i mean it better be permanent forever because oh yeah yeah it is part of me is kind of upset because our last episode that we did we got like pretty good attention from i feel like Jacob Woll retweeted us and like commented no it was the oh it was the oh they are the ones nothing they've done recently has been

interesting so i'm not gonna talk about them more but we did we did get to slime the Krasensteins directly which was satisfying it was satisfying because they because they were just all over it yeah yeah but i mean Jacob Woll and Laura Loomer it's truly just an example of white privilege as as at its worst because nothing happens like if they were any other ethnicity or or nationality or anything they would have way more attention legally and that's the truth like i oh absolutely without a doubt and because they're just rich white folk

they get untouched and that's what's infuriating is because white for black up a better word like white collar crime or whatever you want to call it it's not like i would just let just say white skinned crime yeah like i don't even know if this counts as white collar like i'm not sure what kind of collar repeatedly faking rape allegations is like i don't i really don't know like they've invented a new kind of white crime and it's yeah disposable yeah i will say speaking of the Krasensteins and Jacob Woll

one of my favorite moments on twitter last year was um kin clip and steen the foya journalist with uh young turks who like revealed that uh the fbi had an open investigation to wall got into a fight with him on twitter and uh Jacob Woll mistook him for one of the Krasenstein brothers because their last names are vaguely similar oh my god and so wall was like why don't you just like get up to another grift with your brother and clip and steen responded you know the only difference between you and the Krasensteins is their their

grifts don't immediately explode in their faces and then brian Krasenstein responded by just saying boom wait what yeah oh it was really good wow it was one of those moments that makes twitter worth it yeah so he like low key admitted to grifting better yeah wow i think he was just too dumb to really know what was going on in the conversation and just saw that somebody had attacked someone attacking him like i really don't think he understood what was being said

but pin clip and steen is a great follow on twitter so yeah check him out yeah yeah not he's not any relation he is not a Krasenstein yeah completely different last name yeah wow anyway that's the episode shireen well thank you better after the payday loan stuff no i'm still mad but i'm always mad my default is risk of anger um but thanks for having me on to revisit our our our sheep and wool's clothing he's just a dumb little sheep he's just he's just a dumb little sheepy sheep the sheepy sheep

it's almost insulting to sheep honestly but yeah i wouldn't want to i wouldn't want to tar sheep with that brush because sheep provide so many useful things yeah wool and they're kind of cute yeah sheep's milk yeah sheep's oil yeah uh concrete i think genuinely i think they are more intelligent than yeah a wall i have never seen a sheep fuck itself over in the same fashion that jacob all has no usually they just eat plants and mind their own fucking business

huddled together for warmth in the winter yeah which is a more successful strategy than jacob wall has ever executed no wow what a shit show well what a shit show get some pluggables to plug yeah uh follow the podcast that i co-host ethnically ambiguous and listen to us we talk about ilhan omar a lot especially with the recent stuff that's been going on um and why everything against her is pretty much a facade but um you can follow what's ethnically ambiguous

um or ethnically ambig and bi g on instagram ethnically and amb amb on twitter you can follow me at shiro hero on instagram and shiro hero six six six on twitter it's sh eero h eero uh yeah and thanks for having me robber this was splendid even though you're not in the same room as me i feel like we've bonded today we have bonded today and there's only one thing that can seal the kind of bond that is built over listening to jacob wall stories and that is uh a celebratory sophie has grabbed

yeah sophie has grabbed the bagels the role of bagels see when you've been working together as long as sophie and i have you just know what the other person wants her hand is on her heart i'm gonna yell in anger and you throw the bagels when i give my angry bagel throwing i'm going to try to get the the sound on on my mic okay go okay yeah that was a pretty good sound that was good yeah perfect oh my god uh i'm so satisfied with how that went yeah i'm very i'm happy

i mean not really but you know i'm the bagels have made me happy yeah that's that's the beauty of throwing bagels uh they really they really cleansed the the soul's palette cleanse the soul's palette a good baked good will do that you know that's why they call baked goods because they're good that is why they're called baked goods they're not baked bad speaking of no no baked bads are well actually baked bads are when i try to make baked goods because they usually get high and forget that the oven's on that is bad that is bad

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